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Hello everyone welcome back to another episode of Look What I Found.

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This is K and VK.

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K Hi VK.

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Well welcome back everybody to episode 4 as VK was saying and today we have a Halloween

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treat.

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Our episode is called Ancient Halloween Arthropod.

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Okay I have so many questions but to get us started off I am VK.

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I have a PhD in psychology and I'm a college professor.

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I've been teaching for over a couple of decades I want to say and K and I have been married

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for 21 years at this point.

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About a couple of decades also and I'm K I'm a college professor as well I teach physics

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and we are doing this podcast because VK and I you know share news that we see about science

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articles that come out in sort of mass media and we just want to share our excitement about

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some of these articles when we see them from headlines right into sort of the science.

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Yeah K and I talk about science all the time and to be honest with you all like in these

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dark times in these difficult times with all the stress that we are experiencing the joy

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that we find when we delve into science is the thing that gives us a little bit of light

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and joy at the end of the day.

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Yeah and for all of us when you know there are activities that I like to see as human

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creative activities and the scientific enterprise is one of them and so these sorts of articles

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when they show in the press is always exciting because it's got press coverage and then it's

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also something about our sort of field and our profession in science so it's exciting

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and this is the scientific method this is why I'm able to actually record this podcast

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today and talk to you guys about this so here we go.

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Yeah and I think like what you're saying K about like the creative endeavor people sometimes

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think that science is not creative but it really is and I'm hoping we can talk about

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that a little bit today in the conversation.

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Oh I'm sure we can because you know art and science I think they are not different from

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each other in too many ways because they're both seeking truths in their own forms.

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You're absolutely right before we get into talking about the centipede we're going to

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be talking about.

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Arthropod.

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Yes thank you K. I just want to invite you all to like subscribe download from whatever

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the audience so yeah here goes.

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Well here goes okay well so this article I think we were excited when we saw this and

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think you saw this on CNN and sort of told me about this maybe and I think I found another

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live science media sort of coverage for the same thing and it's has themes as Jurassic

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Park which is kind of sort of we liked it.

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Yeah and yes I'm not saying an immediate yes when you said that I found it on CNN and shared

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it with you and the reason for that is that I had a particular idea about the article

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based on the image that CNN had pasted in the article and that's from the researchers

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but yeah this is where art and science meet and it's a little bit interesting.

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A little bit of gotcha science there for you.

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Well I don't know if it's gotcha science but there was definitely like a lot of build up

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in my mind based on the image and if you look at it like it looks really impressive and

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very Jurassic Park.

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That's right so well let's get to this so this this article was about I think establishing

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the sort of the phylogenetic tree as we think about sort of the tree of life if you will

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about who descended from whom for the branch called Arthropods.

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Yeah so the article came out on 9th October in Science Advances which is a journal that

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is open source so you should be able to access it we'll add the link to the description.

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The first thing that was surprising to me about the article was like there's actually

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some debate about like which creatures belong to this group.

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So I mean let's sort of I mean since I've said Arthropods so many times let me define

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it comes from Greek I think the origin is it came it means jointed ribs so if you think

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of insect bodies so Arthropods insects crustaceans and archnids are kind of sort of the group

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of living beings that that belong to this branch.

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So crustaceans would be things like lobsters.

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Anything with a shell I think is crustacean so yeah lobsters and sort of shellfish.

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Crayfish.

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Yeah crayfish.

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And archnids are spiders.

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Yeah so this is like full on Halloween.

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Yeah this is Halloween and the article was about so there were excavations I think and

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they dated back somewhere in the late 1800s where they found these giant fossilized remains

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of the you know centipedes or millipedes they were eight meters long.

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Eight meters?

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I thought that was eight feet.

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I thought it was eight meters but you know eight feet eight meters it's much much much

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bigger than us and you know we were sort of thinking about a centipede walking the earth

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with sort of giant bodies it was so I mean and that's what the fascination was so they'd

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found these fossilized bodies but they'd never found a head so they didn't know whether it

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was you know whether it was sort of the norm or they were just a particular branch of giant

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sort of centipedes millipedes arthropods whatever we're going to call them and this article

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was really about actually using some really cool high-tech imaging to look at some fossils

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that discovered in the 1970s.

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Yeah so I do want to say that I think they do extend to about like eight feet which is

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about like three meters.

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Okay not eight meters.

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Yeah because eight meters so each meter is like about three feet three feet yeah it's

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a little bit under that but yeah three works as a good heuristic and for those who remember

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covid times if you were living in the UK for those of us who are watching or listening

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to us in european countries you know like the distance recommended was about a meter

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the the thing that I do want to say is that like these creatures lived like a bazillion

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years ago.

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Yeah I have a little bit of sort of info on that too because you know so geologically

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we think the earth is about four forty five hundred million years old which is about 4.5

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billion years old and interestingly I think we know this because the age of the moon and

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the age of the earth are approximately kind of sort of at the time of formation are the

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same and that's kind of how we dated that so that's when things began on earth and then

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we have sort of the heathen or Hayden era which is the 4500 million years ago and then

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you have the arcane period which is 4300 to 2500 million years ago and that's kind of

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when cells and photosynthesis began and then you have 2500 million years to 500 million

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years which is called pro-terozoic and it's permanent oxygen in the atmosphere so that's

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when the burst of life really happened and then 500 million years to now is called the

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fanerozoic where land plants came about so this is about 300 million years ago is where

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this fossils coming from yeah and it's astonishing when I was doing some research for this cave

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I was actually very fascinated and horrified at the same about the size of this thing okay

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so for me the quest was like why was it this size like was it was everything else also

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big and it turns out that during that time on earth all creatures were very big yeah

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they seem to I mean I read a couple of sort of notes on this and I can't recall right

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off the bat maybe this was Wikipedia's got some very interesting entries on this so I'd

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certainly urge people to check it out sort of you said geologic ages and you get a lot

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a lot of information there so coming back to your point I think it was because of the

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oxygen in the air they think that there was lots of oxygen in the air so things just started

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to grow very big is it something that I've heard yeah you're right about that and that's

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actually even on the government website so if you go to the paleontologists who are affiliated

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with the government and they have a website that's what they say that fascinating yeah

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that one of the claims that the geologists and geophysicists believe is that and paleo

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biologists believe is that one of the reasons they're so massive is that there was tons

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of oxygen I find that very interesting and also like I gotta be honest with you a little

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bit like anxiety provoking like does that mean oxygen is dropping well I mean it's kind

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of sort of been steady across time I think and also sort of just as on a side note for

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people some you know you might start to wonder how are we dating back 4500 million years

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ago so there's lots of glacial information so we sort of know that there were glacial

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ages so I think there were and so there was and I think there's radioactive traces that

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are coming back from that so we'll probably do one of those an episode later down the

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line talking about these these early datings but it's not carbon-14 dating that much I

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know very interesting care like I think yeah having like some conversation about that and

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at a later point would be helpful the other speculation I read about why these creatures

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were so big is that natural predation was less and I'm wondering if that's because like

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because it was so massive there weren't that many yeah no Jurassic Park tells me otherwise

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dinos ate dinos I know but it was also a small space it was a small island I don't know what

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was going on so yeah anyway so coming back to this article so they you know they had

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found these giant sort of centipede millipede arthropod or arthropod fossils and they wanted

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to go back and sort of answer the question of whether you know giant giantism if you

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can say that as a word I would call it like I can't ism yeah that's what I call it so

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there were a lot of new words I learned and we get to some of that a little later as well

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whether that was common during this time for this sort of species and also where in the

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phylogenetic tree of the millipedes and centipedes which are the existing sort of branch of this

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sort of ancestral descendants I think to place them was was the main goal of the study yeah

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and that's where I was deeply disappointed I know you know you sent me this article I

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was like oh cool and I jumped into it okay let me tell people I wasn't so disappointed

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because well first of all what they did was they didn't find new fossil but they took

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fossil specimen that was obtained from this region in France which was known to be dated

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back to this period of about 300 million years ago but it was kept in a museum so they went

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in and pulled out the museum samples and did some really cool micro computer tomography

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imaging so basically it's like cd scanning these old fossils and then recreating it completely

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without destroying it okay so when you describe it it sounds really cool but when I was reading

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the article my first thing was like seriously like you've had these fossils in a museum

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from the 1970s okay so no new fossils were found that was the first thing but after I

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spoke to Kay about this I did realize there's something beautiful about that actually like

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the fact that science never gets rid of the data like we hold on to it and that has value

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because not only does that mean that as techniques change which is what Kay is talking about

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you can learn new information and add to old ideas but it's also really like at any point

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your work can then be checked for verifiability right like that's important because and this

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is such an important point we can I'm pretty sure we're going to say this a few more times

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and down the road that the notion of science you can never prove something is true you

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know our sort of machinery of science is very important to have a falsifiable hypothesis

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we want to know when we're wrong we want to know when something that we've held on to

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that used to work suddenly does not work anymore that's the whole essence of moving forward

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in science so you know I think we preserve that sort of through this doing this and this

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was an excellent sort of an example of a study of doing that I felt I agree with you I was

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just like very disappointed that like giant centipede skeletons were not found I know

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and actually to make that point even sort of more stark so first of all they found that

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the these are going to be juvenile samples so they were just an inch long so you know

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yeah thank you that was I was like wait what hang on but you know but they did find tracks

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which is kind of sort of how they know when they walk so you know there's some interesting

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you know fossil records and in the as we were saying that this is an open source paper so

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you can actually access the whole publication so and buried in this if you thought that

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the paper was dense right at the very end you'll find this thing called supplementary

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information and if you poke on that there's lots more data and you know that's kind of

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sort of where I saw the tracks you could see the images it's hard to see what you can kind

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of see yes you know they show you how it looks in the fossil records it's pretty cool and

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from the tracks they thought adults were 40 centimeters long I mean you know that's a

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pretty large centipede I wouldn't want to mess with it oh no oh no 40 centimeters is

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about a foot plus yeah I mean by no means am I like dissing the centipede that's right

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well the other thing that they found so in the fossils they had heads preserved so that

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you know this is kind of sort of answering a question that was that there were no heads

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for these guys so they actually could find even if they were juveniles you know you sort

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of get a good proportion body to head so they could they could sort of reconstruct that

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and that part I found very interesting K because you know the way this is where art and science

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come together right the way the image is presented in CNN you know it looks like the centipede

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is up like a snake and it's about to strike and I was like into like what did it eat it's

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eight foot long you know yeah and and they talk about it you know in the so you know

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first of all the imaging techniques are pretty cool so they took a lot of pain and effort

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in sort of doing that right but then after that it was still about getting images that

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they could put in the paper so there was a lot of photoshop and a little bit of AI that

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was involved in producing these images to be visually appealing they said which I find

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very interesting but here's the interesting thing that I found about their eating habits

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they do think they kind of like earthworms in that they eat the detritus on the ground

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but that detritus yeah so that that can include a whole lot of things it's euphemism for poop

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y'all yeah that's what it is it's it's it's insect poop kind of sort of and you know there's

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these giant not centipedes I think millipedes so I think I learned the other thing is millipedes

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apparently are detrivores so they eat sort of dead leaves in sort of excrement matter

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but centipedes are hunters they're predators they eat they hunt other things yeah that's

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what I had known which is why I was very excited to find out what they ate and there's apparently

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you know ongoing debate about this which is why the head right is so important because

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they needed to see what the mouth structure was like if they were fangs or you know whatever

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like teeth or you know and they didn't find it they found sort of suction vacuum holes

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I think yeah but I think they could not rule out that they might have eaten a carnivorous

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diet which means like they were actually like centipedes and hunting yeah I read it more

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like there was less evidence of that happening and it could have happened you can't sort

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of rule it out but it looked like more that they were these detrivores creatures okay

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I've got to be honest with you all this was the biggest debate we had and I'm still sticking

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to my guns because we literally pulled up the paper like looked at each other and went

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this is what I am reading and gave us like this is what I'm reading and we were looking

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at the same line and I'm still insisting that they were surely eating flesh I don't think

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so but but we'll leave it there they were 300 million years ago the other thing though

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which I think the authors really you know found really exciting and here's another word

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that I found from from this article cecile cecile apparently are so cecile eyes or is

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is when the eyes are embedded in the body versus stocky eyes so where the eyes are on

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a stock so I think they found for this that this particular arthropora had a stocky eyes

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so they were wondering if it was amphibious because it could help by peeping out of water

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yeah I mean KSS used like a lot of technical jargon I just called them like headlight eyes

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because that's how they like struck me when I read them because I was like they're like

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headlamps like on top of your head you know like those bicycle lights that people put

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on their heads exactly ET exactly they're not they're not in your head which I think

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would have given them like if they were smaller not if they were eight feet if they were smaller

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they might have given them a comical appearance really maybe I mean you know and here's the

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thing sort of who we are imagining these things and we have sort of little idea to what the

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environment might have been you know so that's that's always left to our imagination up here

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so that's pretty cool yeah and I won't deny that I'm maybe trying to find humor in something

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that is actually really freaky I'm five foot nothing and you know being chased by an eight

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foot long centipede would not be fun no it would not be fun and you know it didn't matter

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if you're six feet tall you still would run so that's that's kind of sort of the idea

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yeah so that was this paper which was kind of interesting you know I mean and I think

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a little bit of the weakest point I think it was it had the gotcha headlines you know

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about a car sized centipede or something like that and it really wasn't yeah I mean what

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got me on CNN like I told you all was the image it just looked like something out of

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like one of those movies like Jurassic Park and I was like oh my god this is gonna be

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so exciting but this also I think one of the things that I appreciated about this week's

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discussion with Kay was that not every discovery in science is like you know exciting but it's

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necessary and important yeah I mean and and the methodology is so important so you know

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it's it's it's it's interdisciplinary again so this is a classic example you know computer

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science meets x-ray imaging meets tomography meets geology meets fossil science you know

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it was this the whole package together so and it's evidence-based right so now we're

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going back and saying hey why don't we check out since we've got this cool imaging technique

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if that fossil had a head it might answer a question that's in the field and that's

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kind of sort of what got it into this particular journal I think absolutely and I think one

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of the other things I took away from that idea that you mentioned about like going back

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to old data right like my mentors in grad school always told me like never ever ever

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destroy anything you know don't destroy a piece of paper on which you wrote an idea

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because you never know and I think that you know this paper definitely reminded me of

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that that you know data scientists don't destroy data for a reason yeah no definitely and this

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kind of data especially right is is coming from so far back in our past and we have

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to we have to preserve it and and and to be able to use it without being able to damage

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it I think is ultra cool absolutely I completely agree so despite my disappointment that this

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was not like a much more gory and Halloween ish read and this was actually it turned out

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to be a nice conversation as all conversations are with K only treats here no tricks alright

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very good this was a good one we KS a good find although this is took us in I was hoping

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to find a car sized centipede as well so so it was a little disappointing not to affirm

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that but depends on your definition of car size I mean it's definitely like an eight

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feet yeah that could be a car that could be a car that could be a car alright very good

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out whether we want to focus on AI which is my choice or Star Trek frogs which is my choice

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so we shall find out yeah so you all will find out with us which one we're going to

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focus on for next week it's also because you know as decision time comes closer for the

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elections we're also feeling decision fatigue so take it easy and hang in there you all

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