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Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome back to the mmm doughnuts podcast. I'm your host,

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Justin. I'm so glad that you're listening again. Thanks so much for tuning in one more

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time. A lot of you are listening on Samsung podcast and it's really given me a deeper,

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greater appreciation for non iPhone phones. So thank you so much. Thank you for watching

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now my fifth episode. I did a little bit of a spoofy episode that I changed to like a

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it's an exclusive now. So if you want to subscribe to Apple podcasts and listen to it there,

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it was like just my first one. It was it was bad. It was an hour long and it was it was

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more than an hour long. It was bad. And then I did a little bit of a short one on that

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brand new short, I guess a little musical with Bob sideshow Bob from last week. So I

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hope you enjoyed that. But so so here we are. We're now we're on episode four of season

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one. We're getting through this. And it's this episode is called There's No Disgrace

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Like Home. I've got trivia. I've got episode recaps. So let's get into it. Shall we? Alright,

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so last episode Homer's Odyssey was a deep and and dark but still very poignant episode.

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And I hope that you had an opportunity to give it some thought and same same questions

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on this one to give this episode some thought. Let me know what you think. Hit me up on Twitter

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or x.com. I still think it's weird to say that. But anyway, I'm on x at mmm donuts 742.

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You can also email me at chartanpants at gmail.com. So let's do this. Shall we? Alright, let's

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get into it. So this episode, season one episode four, There's No Disgrace Like Home, originally

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aired January 28 1990. There are no guest stars. We've already talked about that. Before

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there there's not like an actual, like celebrity guest star yet. But some some notable ones

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coming soon like Tom Jones. And if you know who Tom Jones is, you probably need an ibuprofen

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because your back hurts like mine. So yeah, this episode is pretty interesting in a lot

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of ways. We talked a little bit in last episode about Mr. Burns, and how he had he had tell

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tale signs of a little bit of integrity. And and then in this episode, it fixes that. And

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it kind of sets the stage for his deplorable lack of integrity as the nuclear plant owner.

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And so it was just, you know, that's why last episode was so interesting in many ways. But

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this one's back on track with the character that we know as Mr. Burns. It's it's got some

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telltale signs of being one of the earliest shows of the season. Like we've talked about

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the they kind of they were released out of order. But you can definitely tell this is

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one of the earlier ones. A lot of the characters just act differently and they look differently.

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Like all right, so we'll talk about this in in greater detail. Hopefully you watched the

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episode. You did your homework. But you see at the picnic, Lisa, Lisa's a brat. I mean,

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you see it at home too. And she's fighting with Bart. But Lisa's a brat. She's like playing

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in the fountain and then pretends she's not. Marge is drunk. And Homer is concerned that

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his family is going to make him look bad. Homer being concerned about something like

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that is in and of itself just crazy. But also Homer's the voice of reason. He comes home

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and the whole family sitting on the couch, eating TV dinners and watching TV. And he's

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the one who turned it off. So yeah, very, very different. But like I said, this evolves

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into what we know. So we're going to we're going to walk through each of the episodes

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and see how they got there. This is the first episode that Mr. Burns says release the hounds.

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He says a little differently. He says the hounds will be released in 10 minutes, but

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still release the hounds, something we're used to from him. I'd also mark the first

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appearance of Eddie and Lou, who are the the two police officers who are always together.

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Although Lou, who we know as an African-American Simpsonite, is yellow in this episode. But

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then gets that change and moving on. This is the first episode where we see itchy and

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scratchy. So lots of firsts, just like the other episodes that we've seen so far. And

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we'll we'll get into it. So here's here's how the episode begins. The two gags are jock

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board gag is Bart is writing I will not burp in class. And the couch gag is the family

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runs in they sit on the couch and then Homer is squeezed off and then lands down on the

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floor with a thud. So those are the gags. And we get into the episode. So it starts

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off at home and family's fighting and you know, but there's they're getting ready for

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the for a company picnic. And they decided to bring wonderful gelatin desserts. Dan can't

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cast out a mallet cast Al and that is his voice very interesting in this early homers.

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so anyway, they're getting ready to company picnic and Homer is worried that that his

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family will be well behaved. And he like snipes at Marge a lot in this episode to mark stop

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it. It's just so so weird. I'm reminded that first of all, there was a reason that I avoided

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these these seasons over the years, but also I see the downside to avoiding them. And and

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what I've missed out on because I've seen every other all the other episodes, at least

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the first, you know, 10 seasons, many, many times, but not these first two seasons. So

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anyway, well, I hope you enjoyed them. Still a great episode. Homer is determined to improve

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his family's image after they leave the picnic. And he decides Homer Simpson Homer J. Simpson

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decides he's going to pawn the TV to pay for family therapy with Dr. Marvin Runroe. And

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Marge is crying as it's happening. So just again, very weird family dynamics. I mean,

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Marge gets like completely blackout drunk almost at the party too. So that was that

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was interesting. The therapy session doesn't go well, but I strongly recommend watching

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the therapy session multiple times, because it is freaking funny. And we'll talk about

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that more later, too. But the therapy therapy was great. Like those foam bats were great,

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especially when when they figure out how to take off the phone. And I can still hear the

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sound of that rod hitting Dr. Monroe's shin when Bart wax and it's it's pretty awesome.

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Great sound. And then the shock therapy. Oh, my gosh. What is what a scene. I loved it.

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I've always loved cartoon violence, but this one in particular. Great scene. So anyway,

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yeah, it doesn't go well. Dr. Monroe struggles to control them, the Simpsons, their chaotic

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interactions with each other. And the the shock therapy was a desperate attempt to instill

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order. But ultimately, he he gives up and he refunds their money and admits defeat.

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back. So they made money on the deal. So the Simpsons leave no better behaved than before,

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but with a renewed appreciation for each other's quirks, in my opinion, plus 500 bucks instead

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of 250, which, of course, they go and spend on a on a better TV, which is identical to

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their other one. But, you know, whatever. So there's some there's some particular highlights

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in this episode about the Simpsons dysfunctional, yet loving family dynamic. And that we see

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throughout the series. They're very dysfunctional, but very loving. That never actually goes

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away. It's a little more prominent in the first couple of seasons, but there's always

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still that that instilled love in the family dynamic. But it it satires this is satire

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satirizes satirizes. It makes fun of the idea of the perfect family, which I thought was

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great, too, because there isn't one like that perfect family at the beginning that drives

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up into the into heaven with halos on their other heads. I don't know about you. And I

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was a kid. I didn't want to go in that car. I wanted to go back in the Simpsons car with

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all the devil kids. I just looked more entertaining for me. Truth be told, still does. But it

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also features some early characterizations that would later be refined, such as Lisa

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being portrayed as more mischievous than Bart and and Marge having a drinking problem. So

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still very interesting episode. So now let's let's kind of get into the analysis and the

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discussion. Here's the thing. I'll have future podcasts where somebody else hears with me

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and we can go back and forth and that'll be great. But the discussion I'm really looking

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for is with you. So like that's why I've set up that, you know, I've got my email address,

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set up the Twitter so that we can have like a discussion. You make fun of me or whatever

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you want. That's fine. But if you actually want to have a philosophical discussion about

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these episodes, hit me up. I will love I geek out about this kind of stuff. But I want it

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to be an open dialogue. So for example, if you were to analyze the disastrous picnic scenes

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like Bart versus the swans or Lisa in the fountain or Marge drunk, what do you get from

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that? What are your thoughts on it? Are they just like mine? You know, I'm really glad

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the characters redeveloped in a better way. Or do you gather something else from that

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picnic? Let's talk about Dr. Marvin Monroe. Is he a quack? Or is he a genius? I mean,

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ultimately, when it comes to the Simpsons family dynamic, he failed. But is he a quack

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or is he a genius? I mean, it seems to be working with other families. What about his

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therapy methods? Like his the family feuds, or, you know, like drawing the pictures at

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the beginning to see, you know, what, where everybody would define where the problem where

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the troubles coming from or the those the sticks, the whacking rods. And then eventually

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the shock therapy. It's that part. I mean, it's obviously satire, that kind of thing,

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I promise you, as somebody who grew up in the 90s, that wasn't like a generally practiced

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method of family therapy, I promise. So it was, you know, that's that was the humor in

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it. So another question is, how do you think this episode portrays therapy and mental health?

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And so from two different angles, first of all, take a step back in time, 34 years, it

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was 1990. How do you think it was portrayed then? I'll tell you growing up, I just thought

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it was funny. I didn't really think much more of it. But therapy wasn't really it wasn't

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really as open and accepted as it is now in my opinion. And now, as someone who goes to

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therapy, and I recommend it for everyone, by the way, I wish I wish it was different

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back then. You know, I think the the perception of therapy has definitely changed a lot since

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this episode aired. And I do wish that it was it was better received back then. And

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it wasn't such a stigma to get therapy. I know I wouldn't have waited so long to seek

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some therapeutic advice. And I hope that right now in today's day, you're open to that. I

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mean, it's it's readily available online. Now it's there's lots of places you can go

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to get to get help. I promise you, having actual meaningful conversations with people

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is incredibly therapeutic. Even if you're not diving into like what your real issues

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are, just having an engaging conversation is terrific. It really is. And I very much,

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I highly recommend it. But I want to know what you think. Do you think the perception

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of therapy has changed since the episode aired? Is your answer yes, because it has or is it

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no, because you're wrong. So like, you know, still tell me your opinion. What about the

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humor derived from those unethical therapy practices? How do you feel about the humor?

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So like this, we get into territory that you know, maybe some people can find offensive.

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I personally I'll probably share this more than once. I personally feel like being offended

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is something controllable. It's in a lot of ways, it's a choice. That's my opinion. And

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you can choose to stick with and let those feelings that somebody put on you, control

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you and dictate how you're going to react or you can accept that you can't control what

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they did or said and focus on things that bring you joy. You know, so my thought is,

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I thought it was funny then and I think it's funny now. And I certainly hope that nobody

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would be offended by these by this satirical mocking of therapy practices because it's

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meant to be funny. But also it's, you know, brought the family together and it still showed

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some unity, which was great. So, you know, let me know what you think. I'm genuinely

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curious. How do you think in terms of the lasting impact of this episode, how do you

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think this episode holds up today? I obviously I want to hear as many people that are on

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my side of this to continue it. I'm never going to be tired of the debate that the animation

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was just awful. So please feel free to share that. But more importantly, the other aspects

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of the episode, how do you think they hold up today? You know, the morals that they were

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trying to instill and teach in that time, do you think it held up? Do you think kids

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right now in this generation can watch this and gain something from it? Or do you think

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maybe, you know, the kids these days are far too desensitized more so than we were in the

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90s and it's only ever going to be perceived as entertainment and that's it because it's

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got no deeper meaning or value? Huh? Yeah. Pretty smart sometimes. Do you think that

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it contributed to any ongoing Simpsons themes or character development? I keep sharing my

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opinion about character development, but I want to hear about yours. Did you see anything

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in this episode? Like, for example, the way that Lisa or Marge behaved, do you think that

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the writers had that when they saw the portrayal, that's when they decided, you know, we're

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going to go a different direction. They didn't like it. Or maybe it was how it was received

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by popular culture at the time. And speaking of popular culture, how do you think this

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episode has influenced the depictions of family or therapy in pop culture? These are deep,

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meaningful conversations that I give a lot of thought to and I hope you take a minute

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and tweet about it and just share what you think because your opinion matters, even if

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it's wrong and it might be, but it still matters. Okay, let's get into some obscure trivia and

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goofs, if you will. So, okay, it's actually, it's not, they're all goofs. There's not really

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obscure trivia that I go into in this one. But when Marge gets drunk at the picnic and

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she falls over, at the end of that really awful impromptu song that all the women were

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singing together, she says, homie, did you try the punch? And her lips don't move in

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succession with that phrase. And that happens a lot. I mean, at least once in every episode.

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I was complaining about Chief Wiggum in the last episode. But there's, so that's an animation

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foible. And the next one is when Homer enters the pawn shop. First of all, there's, okay,

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so there is obscure trivia. There's a funny little joke in that that I think was intentional

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by the writers. When Homer walks into the pawn shop, first of all, the TV that he's

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carrying is purple. You can very clearly see that. The pawn shop owner or worker calls

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him by name. Okay, I think that's very telling and very intentional. It's not because it's

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a really small town and everybody knows everybody, okay. He knows Homer at the pawn shop. Okay,

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that should tell us something. And that's funny. But when he enters the store, the TV

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is clearly now blue. So yeah, another another foible there. And on the way backing up a

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little driving back home from the picnic, after you see the family, like floating up

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into heaven, and you know, Homer gets out of his little daydream. Where's Maggie? And

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don't tell me that you know, you can't see her because her car seat. No, shut up. You

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can always see Maggie. They it's they always make us that you can see Maggie. She's not

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there. Lazy writing, or lazy animating. Yeah. The other one we already covered, it's when

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Lou and and lose buddy Eddie, sorry, I forgot his name for a minute when Lou is yellow.

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become so another foible there. And it gets along those same lines. Smithers is now yellow,

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but his hair is blue. And then eventually will turn gray, as we know. So I don't know

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some of those are foibles, just bad animating and others are just like, well, we haven't

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decided yet, if this person is going to be this look or whatever. So there's that. All

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right. I've got a fun fact for you. This is an appearance of this episode in another thing.

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Okay. So in the 1990 film Die Hard Two, okay, same year that the episodes came out. This

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episode makes a cameo appearance in Die Hard Two. The it's the scene from the clinic, Dr.

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Monroe's clinic when they're shocking each other. And it appears on Holly McClain's flight,

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which is, which is funny. And then there's a there's a funny reference to it, the that

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But it's ironic. And it's funny what the captain says about it. So anyway, enjoy that. I hope

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you like it. So I'd love some more engagement from you. So when I when I ask questions like

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this here towards the end, I want to know about your family quirks. All right. So the

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Simpsons as we know, they've all got some weird quirks, right? If you're comfortable

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sharing, hop on Twitter, hit me at 8 at the MMM donuts 742. And let me know some of your

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family quirks. Right? Is your family crazy? Are they really intelligent? Are they really

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observant? Are they abusive? Maybe don't share if they're abusive. Let's not do that. Are

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they obnoxious? And they just don't know it. They have quirks that just drive you crazy

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or? Yeah, let me know. And thanks very much for listening to this episode. We'll get over

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the answers to the trivia questions. And and then we'll we'll talk a little bit about the

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next episode. So the trivia. Did you get them right? Yes or no? Here are the questions.

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Oh, my gosh, I never did the trivia questions. Oh, I'm not going to rerecord. So in this

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episode of the donuts podcast, I have decided to do the trivia questions and answers all

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at the very end of the show. Ah, see, that was intentional. This is as written. So trivia

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question number one, on the fence surrounding Burns's manner, Burns manner, Burns's manner,

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probably burns. What does the the visible sign say? There's one sign that's like not

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quite visible. But there's one in full view. What does it say? Hey, we're back. It says

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poachers will be shot. Think about that. Okay. Next, what was the advice Homer's mom gave

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him? He's sitting at the bar with Mo and Barney and some other drunks. And Homer shares advice.

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He says, my mom told me something. What was the advice that she gave him? Her advice was

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Homer, you're a big disappointment. That's good. That's a good line. All right. Last

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question is what is the phone number for Dr. Marvin Monroe's Family Therapy Clinic? And

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that is, you guessed it, 1-800-555-HUGS. Good job. I know you got them all because I know

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you did the homework. So well done. Well done. Okay, next episode is Bart the General. This

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is another good one and another bad one at the same time. It's, you know, it's hard to

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watch, but still it's got some some good stuff on there. So I'm looking forward to it. So

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please tune in every Wednesday, 10am Eastern. I will have these scheduled to go out. So

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thanks so much again for listening. Please do your homework for next episode. Watch Bart

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the General and see if you can get the trivia, which I'll totally do correctly every episode.

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I'm probably going to forget that again. So thanks again. I really appreciate it. Find

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me on Twitter at mmmdoughnuts742 or email me at shardandpants at gmail.com. Thanks everybody.

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Miss Hoover, I glued my head to my shoulder.