WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.859 It's gone. Just like that. As of Thursday, February 00:00:03.859 --> 00:00:08.759 12th, 2026, the legal bedrock that has supported, 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:11.560 well, essentially every major climate action 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:14.119 in the United States for the last 17 years has 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:15.880 been revoked. And we really need to be clear 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:18.179 about what we mean by bedrock. Right. And I want 00:00:18.179 --> 00:00:20.339 to be clear right off the top here. We aren't 00:00:20.339 --> 00:00:23.579 talking about a single rule regarding fuel efficiency. 00:00:24.210 --> 00:00:27.550 for a sedan. We aren't talking about a specific 00:00:27.550 --> 00:00:31.609 tax on light bulbs or a subsidy for solar panels. 00:00:31.670 --> 00:00:33.429 No, this is much bigger. We are talking about 00:00:33.429 --> 00:00:36.170 the foundation. We are talking about the endangerment 00:00:36.170 --> 00:00:38.869 finding. It's the scientific determination that 00:00:38.869 --> 00:00:41.450 greenhouse gases actually threaten public health. 00:00:41.950 --> 00:00:43.670 It is the trigger that allows the government 00:00:43.670 --> 00:00:45.969 to do anything at all about climate change. And 00:00:45.969 --> 00:00:48.070 the administration has just pulled that trigger 00:00:48.070 --> 00:00:50.689 mechanism right out of the gun. It's a profound 00:00:50.689 --> 00:00:53.310 change. The president and the administrator of 00:00:53.310 --> 00:00:57.170 the EPA, Lee Zeldin, are calling this the largest 00:00:57.170 --> 00:00:59.750 deregulatory action in American history. That's 00:00:59.750 --> 00:01:01.929 the phrase they're using. They're framing it 00:01:01.929 --> 00:01:05.799 as a total liberation of the economy. But there 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:08.120 is a massive amount of detail to unpack here. 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:09.980 I mean, we have to look at the legal arguments, 00:01:10.459 --> 00:01:14.159 the health fallout and this this very strange 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.620 economic paradox where regulations are disappearing, 00:01:18.099 --> 00:01:20.180 but your utility bills are actually skyrocketing. 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:22.019 It is a chaotic moment and the implications are 00:01:22.019 --> 00:01:24.040 going to be felt everywhere from the courtrooms 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:27.219 to the emergency rooms. Welcome to Meteorology 00:01:27.219 --> 00:01:29.980 Matters, the podcast that dives deep into the 00:01:29.980 --> 00:01:32.500 science, chaos and stories behind the weather 00:01:32.500 --> 00:01:35.409 that shapes our world. This show was created 00:01:35.409 --> 00:01:38.590 by meteorologist Rob Jones. Now let's get into 00:01:38.590 --> 00:01:41.069 today's episode of Meteorology Matters. This 00:01:41.069 --> 00:01:43.609 is a heavy one. We need to start by really, really 00:01:43.609 --> 00:01:46.109 deeply understanding what just happened on Thursday. 00:01:46.269 --> 00:01:47.930 Right. Let's strip away the political jargon 00:01:47.930 --> 00:01:49.989 for a second. The endangerment finding. It sounds 00:01:49.989 --> 00:01:52.230 like the title of a suspense movie or maybe a 00:01:52.230 --> 00:01:54.010 thriller novel. It does have that ring to it. 00:01:54.010 --> 00:01:56.409 But it's actually a specific document from 2009. 00:01:56.890 --> 00:01:59.870 So why was this thing so important that removing 00:01:59.870 --> 00:02:02.790 it is considered a historic event? Why is this 00:02:02.790 --> 00:02:05.430 the bedrock? OK, so think of the endangerment 00:02:05.430 --> 00:02:09.990 finding as a kind of a medical diagnosis for 00:02:09.990 --> 00:02:12.169 the atmosphere. A diagnosis, I like that. Back 00:02:12.169 --> 00:02:15.590 in 2009, the EPA didn't just guess. They didn't 00:02:15.590 --> 00:02:17.250 just wake up one morning and decide they wanted 00:02:17.250 --> 00:02:19.770 to regulate something new. They looked at over 00:02:19.770 --> 00:02:22.650 200 pages of peer -reviewed scientific evidence. 00:02:22.969 --> 00:02:25.830 They analyzed the chemistry. They analyzed the 00:02:25.830 --> 00:02:28.250 physics. They looked at all the public health 00:02:28.250 --> 00:02:30.530 data that was available at the time. And based 00:02:30.530 --> 00:02:34.389 on all of that, they made a formal legal determination. 00:02:34.509 --> 00:02:37.050 So this is a rigorous checkup. not just a quick 00:02:37.050 --> 00:02:39.610 glance. The most rigorous checkup possible under 00:02:39.610 --> 00:02:41.949 the law. And the conclusion was that greenhouse 00:02:41.949 --> 00:02:44.550 gases, we're talking specifically about carbon 00:02:44.550 --> 00:02:47.810 dioxide, methane, a few others, that they accumulate 00:02:47.810 --> 00:02:49.990 in the atmosphere and threaten the public health 00:02:49.990 --> 00:02:52.430 and welfare of current and future generations. 00:02:52.550 --> 00:02:54.469 So it was the official government acknowledgement 00:02:54.469 --> 00:02:56.849 written down that, yes, this stuff is bad for 00:02:56.849 --> 00:03:00.729 us. Exactly. And legally, that diagnosis is what 00:03:00.729 --> 00:03:03.250 authorized the cure. or at least the treatment. 00:03:03.789 --> 00:03:05.870 This is the crucial part to understand about 00:03:05.870 --> 00:03:08.349 the Clean Air Act. The way that law is written, 00:03:08.629 --> 00:03:10.909 once the EPA determines something is a pollutant 00:03:10.909 --> 00:03:14.270 that endangers people, they are required by law 00:03:14.270 --> 00:03:16.590 to regulate it. They don't have a choice. They 00:03:16.590 --> 00:03:19.110 don't have a choice. It's a mandate. That finding 00:03:19.110 --> 00:03:21.710 was the legal foundation for everything, for 00:03:21.710 --> 00:03:24.069 limiting emissions from cars, from power plants, 00:03:24.229 --> 00:03:26.889 from oil and gas wells. Without the finding, 00:03:27.289 --> 00:03:29.990 the EPA literally does not have the authority 00:03:29.990 --> 00:03:33.250 to act on greenhouse gases. So by revoking the 00:03:33.250 --> 00:03:35.750 finding, they aren't just rolling back a specific 00:03:35.750 --> 00:03:40.210 law. They are saying, legally speaking, the patient 00:03:40.210 --> 00:03:42.729 isn't sick anymore. Or maybe more accurately, 00:03:42.870 --> 00:03:44.870 they're saying the diagnosis was wrong from the 00:03:44.870 --> 00:03:47.710 start. They are scrubbing the medical chart. 00:03:47.830 --> 00:03:49.710 The president explicitly called the original 00:03:49.710 --> 00:03:52.909 finding a radical rule and the basis for a green 00:03:52.909 --> 00:03:55.629 new scam. So you can see this isn't just a policy 00:03:55.629 --> 00:03:58.270 shift. It is a complete rejection of the scientific 00:03:58.270 --> 00:04:00.150 consensus that established the risk in the first 00:04:00.150 --> 00:04:02.770 place. And the person leading the charge here 00:04:02.770 --> 00:04:05.490 is Lee Zeldin, the administrator of the EPA. 00:04:06.370 --> 00:04:08.729 He stood there on Thursday and said this move 00:04:08.729 --> 00:04:11.949 drives a dagger. through the heart of the previous 00:04:11.949 --> 00:04:14.370 climate agenda. Which is a fascinating choice 00:04:14.370 --> 00:04:16.470 of words, isn't it? A dagger through the heart. 00:04:16.589 --> 00:04:18.970 And honestly, it is a fascinating turn of events 00:04:18.970 --> 00:04:21.949 for Zeldin personally. I know he's been in politics 00:04:21.949 --> 00:04:24.230 for a while, but was he always on the side of 00:04:24.230 --> 00:04:26.529 the issue? I mean, this feels pretty extreme. 00:04:26.670 --> 00:04:29.009 Well, no. And that's what's so interesting. If 00:04:29.009 --> 00:04:31.649 you look back at his time in Congress when he 00:04:31.649 --> 00:04:35.089 was representing Long Island from 2019 to 2023, 00:04:35.670 --> 00:04:37.790 the record is actually quite different. He was 00:04:37.790 --> 00:04:40.410 a member of the Climate Solutions Caucus. I've 00:04:40.410 --> 00:04:42.490 heard of that. That's a bipartisan group, right? 00:04:42.730 --> 00:04:44.649 Republicans and Democrats trying to find common 00:04:44.649 --> 00:04:46.649 ground. Exactly. It's supposed to be the place 00:04:46.649 --> 00:04:49.209 for moderates to work on these issues. And even 00:04:49.209 --> 00:04:52.269 more specifically, the voting record shows he 00:04:52.269 --> 00:04:54.850 specifically voted against amendments that would 00:04:54.850 --> 00:04:58.470 have blocked the EPA from using this very endangerment 00:04:58.470 --> 00:05:00.430 finding. Wait, wait. So you're saying he voted 00:05:00.430 --> 00:05:03.810 to protect this finding before he decided to 00:05:03.810 --> 00:05:06.050 drive a dagger through its heart? The records 00:05:06.050 --> 00:05:08.269 certainly suggest that. It's a clear reversal. 00:05:08.540 --> 00:05:10.800 The shift really became apparent when he ran 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.939 for governor of New York in 2022. During that 00:05:13.939 --> 00:05:16.980 campaign, he pivoted hard. He started talking 00:05:16.980 --> 00:05:19.959 about accelerating natural gas drilling. And 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:23.240 now, as the head of the very agency he once voted 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.699 to empower on this issue, he's executing a maneuver 00:05:26.699 --> 00:05:29.459 that he once opposed. It really highlights how 00:05:29.459 --> 00:05:32.120 the political winds have shifted the regulatory 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:34.480 landscape. It's a complete 180 -degree turn. 00:05:34.779 --> 00:05:38.220 So let's talk about the justification here. They 00:05:38.220 --> 00:05:41.180 can't just say, we don't like it. Administratively, 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:43.579 they have to give a reason, a legal rationale. 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.100 They do. And the administration is throwing out 00:05:46.100 --> 00:05:48.600 some huge numbers regarding the economy. They 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.000 are. The headline number is that this revocation 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.240 will save the American auto industry and other 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:57.279 businesses an estimated $1 .3 trillion. That 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.160 is a number with a T? Trillion. Where's that 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:02.240 math coming from? Because that sounds like a 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:04.720 number you just pull it out of a hat. That's 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.819 the big question, isn't it? They haven't actually 00:06:06.819 --> 00:06:10.019 released the breakdown of that $1 .3 trillion 00:06:10.019 --> 00:06:13.339 figure. So no one's seen the worksheet? No. It's 00:06:13.339 --> 00:06:15.759 a headline number. It's very effective for a 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.620 press release. But the general argument is that 00:06:18.620 --> 00:06:20.980 by removing the requirement for auto manufacturers 00:06:20.980 --> 00:06:23.879 to meet strict emission standards and by removing 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:26.720 the limits on power plants, you dramatically 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:28.740 lower the cost of doing business. You remove 00:06:28.740 --> 00:06:31.439 the red tape, as they always call it. OK, so 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.389 that's the economic pitch. But there is also 00:06:34.389 --> 00:06:36.930 a legal argument they're using. It's not just 00:06:36.930 --> 00:06:39.629 about the money. They're trying to redefine how 00:06:39.629 --> 00:06:42.329 the Clean Air Act works entirely. Yes. And this 00:06:42.329 --> 00:06:44.149 is where it gets a little technical, but it's 00:06:44.149 --> 00:06:46.430 incredibly important for understanding the future 00:06:46.430 --> 00:06:48.509 of environmental law in this country. Lay it 00:06:48.509 --> 00:06:50.709 on us. The administration is arguing that the 00:06:50.709 --> 00:06:53.069 Clean Air Act was only ever meant to cover direct 00:06:53.069 --> 00:06:55.810 harm near the source of the pollution. Direct 00:06:55.810 --> 00:06:58.149 harm. OK, unpack that for me. What does that 00:06:58.149 --> 00:07:00.930 mean in practice? Think about the classic pollutants. 00:07:01.250 --> 00:07:05.269 Think about soot. or smog, or lead particles 00:07:05.269 --> 00:07:07.529 from gasoline back in the day. Things you can 00:07:07.529 --> 00:07:10.529 see and smell. Right. You have a factory, smoke 00:07:10.529 --> 00:07:12.569 comes out of a smokestack, and the people living 00:07:12.569 --> 00:07:15.290 right next door get sick, they cough, their kids 00:07:15.290 --> 00:07:19.350 get asthma. That is direct, local harm. The pollution 00:07:19.350 --> 00:07:21.670 is right there, and the victim is right there. 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.879 OK, that makes sense for old school pollution. 00:07:23.980 --> 00:07:27.740 Yeah. Like the London fog or smog in Los Angeles 00:07:27.740 --> 00:07:30.139 in the 70s. You could see it. You could smell 00:07:30.139 --> 00:07:32.319 it. And if you move 10 miles away, you were basically 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.060 fine. Exactly. But greenhouse gases don't work 00:07:35.060 --> 00:07:37.339 like that. Carbon dioxide doesn't just hang around 00:07:37.339 --> 00:07:39.740 the tailpipe of your car. No, it goes everywhere. 00:07:39.860 --> 00:07:42.439 It mixes globally. It creates a blanket effect 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.379 around the entire planet. It doesn't matter if 00:07:44.379 --> 00:07:47.259 the CO2 comes from a tailpipe in Detroit or a 00:07:47.259 --> 00:07:50.720 factory in Beijing or a massive bushfire in Australia. 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:53.879 It all goes into the same global atmosphere and 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:56.120 traps heat everywhere. And the administration 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:59.699 is saying that because it mixes globally, the 00:07:59.699 --> 00:08:01.879 EPA shouldn't regulate it. Is that the argument? 00:08:02.060 --> 00:08:05.259 Precisely. They are arguing that because the 00:08:05.259 --> 00:08:08.420 damage isn't strictly local or near the source, 00:08:08.860 --> 00:08:11.759 it falls outside the scope of what the EPA was 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.600 built to do. It is a very, very narrow interpretation 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.160 of the law, one that seems designed specifically 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.879 to exclude climate change from federal oversight. 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.959 It effectively creates a loophole the size of 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:25.759 the atmosphere itself. That's a good way to put 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.649 it. It's like saying If I poison the town well, 00:08:28.750 --> 00:08:30.410 it's not a crime because I didn't personally 00:08:30.410 --> 00:08:32.710 hand a cup of water to the specific person who 00:08:32.710 --> 00:08:36.110 drank it. But looking at the research we have, 00:08:36.409 --> 00:08:38.809 this isn't just a dry legal maneuver. It feels 00:08:38.809 --> 00:08:41.370 like an ideological declaration. I mean, the 00:08:41.370 --> 00:08:43.429 president referred to climate scientists as stupid 00:08:43.429 --> 00:08:45.970 people and reiterated the idea that this is all 00:08:45.970 --> 00:08:48.090 a hoax. And that is the core of it. We're now 00:08:48.090 --> 00:08:50.389 seeing a government policy that is directly at 00:08:50.389 --> 00:08:53.110 odds with the conclusions of the vast, vast majority 00:08:53.110 --> 00:08:55.669 of global scientists. It's a stance that says 00:08:55.669 --> 00:08:58.710 fundamentally, we dispute the physics. Right. 00:08:58.970 --> 00:09:01.350 And that brings us to the health reality, because 00:09:01.350 --> 00:09:04.009 you can repeal a law, but as we know in meteorology, 00:09:04.049 --> 00:09:07.330 you absolutely cannot repeal physics. Let's unpack 00:09:07.330 --> 00:09:10.110 that physics and biology aspect, because one 00:09:10.110 --> 00:09:11.789 of the arguments we heard this week came from 00:09:11.789 --> 00:09:14.490 the Interior Secretary, Doug Burgum. Yes. He 00:09:14.490 --> 00:09:17.389 went on TV and made a claim that sounds, well, 00:09:17.429 --> 00:09:20.509 on the surface interesting. He said, quote, CO2 00:09:20.509 --> 00:09:23.389 was never a pollutant. When we breathe, we emit 00:09:23.389 --> 00:09:27.269 CO2. Plants need CO2 to survive and grow. They 00:09:27.269 --> 00:09:31.789 thrive with more CO2. Ah, yes. The old CO2 is 00:09:31.789 --> 00:09:34.289 plant food argument. It's a classic talking point. 00:09:34.409 --> 00:09:37.070 It is. And it sounds intuitive, doesn't it? It 00:09:37.070 --> 00:09:39.850 has a kernel of truth that makes it seem plausible. 00:09:40.090 --> 00:09:42.769 It does. I mean, is he wrong? I remember photosynthesis 00:09:42.769 --> 00:09:45.529 from grade school. Plants do take in carbon dioxide. 00:09:45.669 --> 00:09:47.809 It's part of the cycle of life. He isn't wrong 00:09:47.809 --> 00:09:50.440 that plants use CO2. That is a basic... biological 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.399 fact, but it's a massive logical fallacy to suggest 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:55.919 that because something is natural or even necessary 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:59.179 in small amounts, it must be harmless in massive, 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:01.690 unprecedented amounts. Like water. Right. We 00:10:01.690 --> 00:10:03.409 need water to survive, but you can still drown 00:10:03.409 --> 00:10:06.210 in it. Exactly. That's the perfect analogy. Or 00:10:06.210 --> 00:10:08.309 think about vitamins. You need iron in your blood 00:10:08.309 --> 00:10:11.230 to transport oxygen. It's essential. But if you 00:10:11.230 --> 00:10:13.750 take an entire bottle of iron supplements, it 00:10:13.750 --> 00:10:16.129 becomes toxic and can kill you. The dose makes 00:10:16.129 --> 00:10:18.629 the poison. The dose makes the poison. And the 00:10:18.629 --> 00:10:21.190 scientific reality, which is backed by that mountain 00:10:21.190 --> 00:10:24.110 of research the EPA originally used, is that 00:10:24.110 --> 00:10:26.990 the extraordinarily high levels of atmospheric 00:10:26.990 --> 00:10:30.110 CO2 we have now are overwhelming the natural 00:10:30.110 --> 00:10:33.090 process. It's not just about the plants, it's 00:10:33.090 --> 00:10:35.370 about the heat trapping recordism in the atmosphere. 00:10:35.470 --> 00:10:37.289 Right, the greenhouse effect. You can have all 00:10:37.289 --> 00:10:39.289 the lush plants you want, but if the average 00:10:39.289 --> 00:10:41.789 temperature spikes to a point where those plants, 00:10:42.269 --> 00:10:44.269 and the people who depend on them, can't survive 00:10:44.269 --> 00:10:46.809 the heat waves, the plant food argument falls 00:10:46.809 --> 00:10:49.990 apart pretty quickly. It completely ignores the 00:10:49.990 --> 00:10:52.330 larger system in which the plants live. So let's 00:10:52.330 --> 00:10:54.230 look at what happens when that heat trapping 00:10:54.230 --> 00:10:56.649 mechanism gets cranked up. The Environmental 00:10:56.649 --> 00:10:59.309 Defense Fund released some data on what this 00:10:59.309 --> 00:11:01.289 repeal specifically means for our health over 00:11:01.289 --> 00:11:04.850 the next 30 years. And the numbers are, well, 00:11:04.850 --> 00:11:07.509 they're grim. They are startling. The projection 00:11:07.509 --> 00:11:10.169 is that repealing the endangerment finding will 00:11:10.169 --> 00:11:13.750 lead to a 10 % increase in U .S. greenhouse gas 00:11:13.750 --> 00:11:15.610 emissions compared to where we would have been. 00:11:15.809 --> 00:11:18.210 10%. That's not a small number. Not at all. And 00:11:18.210 --> 00:11:21.309 that translates to very real human costs. The 00:11:21.309 --> 00:11:24.769 headline number is 58 ,000 additional premature 00:11:24.769 --> 00:11:28.350 deaths. 58 ,000. That's the size of a mid -sized 00:11:28.350 --> 00:11:31.309 American city just gone. That's a stadium full 00:11:31.309 --> 00:11:33.570 of people. And it's not just deaths, it's also 00:11:33.570 --> 00:11:36.809 37 million more asthma attacks between now and 00:11:36.809 --> 00:11:39.269 2055. And someone with friends who have severe 00:11:39.269 --> 00:11:42.909 asthma, that number is... terrifying. Just the 00:11:42.909 --> 00:11:45.629 anxiety of not being able to breathe, multiplied 00:11:45.629 --> 00:11:48.830 by 37 million instances. That is a lot of suffering. 00:11:49.009 --> 00:11:51.029 And we are already seeing the precursors to this 00:11:51.029 --> 00:11:53.809 in the data. This isn't all just future projections. 00:11:53.990 --> 00:11:56.210 Deaths from extreme heat in the U .S. have already 00:11:56.210 --> 00:11:58.629 doubled in recent decades. Doubled. That's in 00:11:58.629 --> 00:12:01.029 the data today. That isn't a model. That is a 00:12:01.029 --> 00:12:03.129 retrospective look at what's already happened. 00:12:03.450 --> 00:12:06.049 And we are seeing the spread of diseases that 00:12:06.049 --> 00:12:08.610 we usually associate with the tropics. I saw 00:12:08.610 --> 00:12:11.600 that in the notes. Dengue fever. I usually think 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.279 of that as something you worry about on a vacation 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.659 to the equator, not here in the mainland US. 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:19.220 Yes. And last year, there were nearly 5 ,000 00:12:19.220 --> 00:12:22.460 cases of dengue fever in US travelers. That is 00:12:22.460 --> 00:12:25.940 a 30 % rise. And here's the mechanism. It's very 00:12:25.940 --> 00:12:28.879 simple meteorology. As the climate gets wetter 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.139 and warmer, the mosquito season gets longer. 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:33.580 The winters don't get cold enough for long enough 00:12:33.580 --> 00:12:36.330 to kill off the larvae. And their habitable range 00:12:36.330 --> 00:12:39.129 expands northward. We are effectively creating 00:12:39.129 --> 00:12:41.669 a nursery for tropical diseases in the continental 00:12:41.669 --> 00:12:44.629 United States. And then there's the smoke. We 00:12:44.629 --> 00:12:46.950 have all seen the orange skies in recent years. 00:12:47.190 --> 00:12:49.409 It feels like every summer now there's at least 00:12:49.409 --> 00:12:52.110 a week where the advice is just don't go outside. 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.220 Absolutely. The projections show that wildfire 00:12:55.220 --> 00:12:57.740 smoke exposure could kill as many as 70 ,000 00:12:57.740 --> 00:13:01.580 Americans annually by 2050. 70 ,000 a year. Every 00:13:01.580 --> 00:13:04.340 year. That is a direct consequence of a hotter, 00:13:04.539 --> 00:13:06.879 drier climate in the West that is fueling more 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:09.399 intense, larger fires. So when the administration 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:12.139 says they are saving the economy money, the counter 00:13:12.139 --> 00:13:15.419 argument is, what is the cost of 70 ,000 deaths 00:13:15.419 --> 00:13:19.240 a year? What is the cost of 37 million asthma 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.000 attacks in terms of hospital visits and lost 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.559 work days? That costs the economy money too, 00:13:24.659 --> 00:13:27.840 right? Sick people can't work. That is the fundamental 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:30.179 disconnect. Catherine Hayhoe, who is the chief 00:13:30.179 --> 00:13:32.379 scientist at the Nature Conservancy, put out 00:13:32.379 --> 00:13:34.320 a statement that really nailed this. What did 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:37.200 she say? She pointed out that the science underpinning 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.620 the endangerment finding has only gotten stronger 00:13:39.620 --> 00:13:43.000 and more certain since 2009. These aren't just 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.659 abstract ideas on a chalkboard. They are real, 00:13:45.899 --> 00:13:48.659 documented risks to our infrastructure, our economy, 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.299 and our people, all rooted in rigorous peer -reviewed 00:13:52.299 --> 00:13:54.259 evidence. She called it the ostrich effect, didn't 00:13:54.259 --> 00:13:57.539 she? Essentially, yes. She argues that revoking 00:13:57.539 --> 00:13:59.580 the legal finding doesn't change the chemistry 00:13:59.580 --> 00:14:01.620 of the atmosphere. It doesn't alter the laws 00:14:01.620 --> 00:14:04.659 of physics. It just makes the U .S. like an ostrich 00:14:04.659 --> 00:14:07.259 with its head in the sandless, able to see the 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:10.419 disaster coming and, critically, less able to 00:14:10.419 --> 00:14:13.159 mitigate the floods, the fires, and the droughts. 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:16.500 We are legally blinding ourselves to a very clear 00:14:16.500 --> 00:14:19.090 and present danger. And while we are blinding 00:14:19.090 --> 00:14:21.230 ourselves to the danger, we are also being told 00:14:21.230 --> 00:14:23.830 that this is all for our benefit, specifically 00:14:23.830 --> 00:14:26.289 our wallets. The pocketbook argument. Right. 00:14:26.590 --> 00:14:28.690 The administration promised that these deregulations 00:14:28.690 --> 00:14:31.330 would slash utility bills. They campaigned on 00:14:31.330 --> 00:14:33.909 it. Drill, baby, drill was supposed to mean save, 00:14:33.970 --> 00:14:36.049 baby, save for the consumer. But the data tells 00:14:36.049 --> 00:14:37.970 a completely different story. And this is where 00:14:37.970 --> 00:14:40.289 we get into what you call the economic paradox. 00:14:40.409 --> 00:14:42.429 OK, lay it on me. What is happening to our electric 00:14:42.429 --> 00:14:44.590 bills? Because I can tell you mine certainly 00:14:44.590 --> 00:14:47.460 hasn't gone down. They are going up. Significantly. 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:51.620 Between September 2024 and September 2025, electricity 00:14:51.620 --> 00:14:55.200 prices in the U .S. rose 5 .1 percent. 5 .1. 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:57.480 And what was general inflation over that same 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:59.840 period? General inflation was around 3 percent. 00:15:00.259 --> 00:15:02.960 So energy costs are outpacing the cost of everything 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.480 else. They're rising much faster. And this is 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:07.299 happening while the administration is pushing 00:15:07.299 --> 00:15:09.919 for maximum fossil fuel production. So wait a 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:12.330 minute. If we are producing more oil and gas 00:15:12.330 --> 00:15:15.549 than ever before in history, basic economic supply 00:15:15.549 --> 00:15:17.610 and demand suggest the price should go down. 00:15:18.049 --> 00:15:20.429 Why am I paying more to turn on my lights? Two 00:15:20.429 --> 00:15:25.340 words. Liquefied natural gas. LNG. LNG. Explain 00:15:25.340 --> 00:15:28.059 that connection. How does exporting gas make 00:15:28.059 --> 00:15:31.080 my bill go up here at home? It's basic supply 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.059 and demand, but on a global scale. In the past, 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:36.620 U .S. natural gas was largely trapped here. It 00:15:36.620 --> 00:15:38.659 was cheap for us because we had so much of it 00:15:38.659 --> 00:15:40.799 and couldn't easily ship it overseas. It was 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.120 a captive market, and American consumers benefited 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.620 from that. Right. But now there is a massive 00:15:45.620 --> 00:15:48.279 push, championed by the Energy Secretary, Chris 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:51.110 Wright, to build export terminals and ship record 00:15:51.110 --> 00:15:53.490 amounts of that gas to Europe and Asia. So we 00:15:53.490 --> 00:15:55.929 are putting our cheap gas on these huge tanker 00:15:55.929 --> 00:15:58.370 ships and sending it to the highest bidder globally. 00:15:58.990 --> 00:16:01.629 Exactly. And when you link the U .S. market to 00:16:01.629 --> 00:16:04.509 the global market, our domestic price naturally 00:16:04.509 --> 00:16:08.110 rises to meet the higher global price. By exporting 00:16:08.110 --> 00:16:10.330 so much of our supply, we are tightening the 00:16:10.330 --> 00:16:12.330 domestic supply that's available for Americans. 00:16:12.470 --> 00:16:14.210 We're competing with Europe for our own gas. 00:16:14.549 --> 00:16:17.049 Precisely. The group Public Citizen analyzed 00:16:17.049 --> 00:16:19.590 this and found that U .S. households spent an 00:16:19.590 --> 00:16:22.929 extra $12 billion on natural gas because of this 00:16:22.929 --> 00:16:26.070 export boom. $12 billion. That's money coming 00:16:26.070 --> 00:16:28.149 straight out of American pockets and going onto 00:16:28.149 --> 00:16:30.590 those tanker ships. And Secretary Wright is actively 00:16:30.590 --> 00:16:33.330 pushing Europe to buy even more. He's asking 00:16:33.330 --> 00:16:35.610 them to cut their own methane rules so we can 00:16:35.610 --> 00:16:39.269 sell them more gas. It's a policy that is fantastic 00:16:39.269 --> 00:16:41.409 for gas producers. It helps their profit margins 00:16:41.409 --> 00:16:44.210 immensely, but it directly hurts the American 00:16:44.210 --> 00:16:46.590 rate payer. And then there is also this strange 00:16:46.590 --> 00:16:49.450 situation with coal. The administration loves 00:16:49.450 --> 00:16:51.870 coal. Beautiful clean coal, as the president 00:16:51.870 --> 00:16:54.350 calls it. They are fighting tooth and nail to 00:16:54.350 --> 00:16:57.629 keep these old plants open. This is another layer 00:16:57.629 --> 00:17:00.309 of the cost issue. Many of these coal plants 00:17:00.309 --> 00:17:03.009 are aging. They're 50, 60 years old. They're 00:17:03.009 --> 00:17:05.670 expensive to maintain. They're expensive to fuel 00:17:05.670 --> 00:17:09.329 compared to modern alternatives. But the administration 00:17:09.329 --> 00:17:12.170 is trying to force them to stay online. Why? 00:17:12.589 --> 00:17:15.170 Well, experts like Ari Pesco from Harvard Law 00:17:15.170 --> 00:17:17.890 and the science historian Naomi Oreskes are calling 00:17:17.890 --> 00:17:20.509 this blatant cronyism. Because it just doesn't 00:17:20.509 --> 00:17:22.670 make economic sense. No, it doesn't. Look at 00:17:22.670 --> 00:17:26.880 the numbers. In 2025, 93 percent of all new energy 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.019 capacity added to the grid in the United States 00:17:29.019 --> 00:17:32.839 was solar, wind, and batteries. 93%. Overwhelmingly. 00:17:33.019 --> 00:17:36.009 And why? because they are cheaper. It is simply 00:17:36.009 --> 00:17:39.009 cheaper to build and operate a new wind farm 00:17:39.009 --> 00:17:41.710 or solar field than it is to keep many of these 00:17:41.710 --> 00:17:44.009 old coal plants running. So when the government 00:17:44.009 --> 00:17:47.250 forces those plants to stay open, they are effectively 00:17:47.250 --> 00:17:50.630 forcing you, the rate payer, to subsidize inefficiency. 00:17:50.930 --> 00:17:52.970 It's a transfer of wealth. You pay more on your 00:17:52.970 --> 00:17:55.049 bills so that a specific coal plant operator 00:17:55.049 --> 00:17:57.930 can stay in business. Naomi Oreskes argues exactly 00:17:57.930 --> 00:18:00.210 that. She says it's a direct transfer of money 00:18:00.210 --> 00:18:03.250 from rate payers to donors. Speaking of donors... 00:18:03.349 --> 00:18:06.730 We have to follow the money here. The research 00:18:06.730 --> 00:18:09.150 we looked at mentions a very specific dinner 00:18:09.150 --> 00:18:11.309 at Mar -a -Lago. Yes, this was back in April 00:18:11.309 --> 00:18:14.130 of 2024. The president hosted a group of oil 00:18:14.130 --> 00:18:17.009 and gas CEOs and, according to reports, explicitly 00:18:17.009 --> 00:18:20.670 asked for one billion dollars in campaign contributions. 00:18:21.029 --> 00:18:23.990 A billion dollars? Yeah. That is a staggering 00:18:23.990 --> 00:18:26.009 ass. He's essentially said, give me a billion 00:18:26.009 --> 00:18:27.750 dollars and I'll see what I can do for you on 00:18:27.750 --> 00:18:29.690 regulations. He didn't get the full billion, 00:18:29.809 --> 00:18:33.730 but he did get about $75 million from that sector, 00:18:33.829 --> 00:18:35.890 which is still a massive amount of money. And 00:18:35.890 --> 00:18:38.769 this included large checks from fracking mogul 00:18:38.769 --> 00:18:42.109 Harold Ham and poll CEO Joe Kraft. OK, so let's 00:18:42.109 --> 00:18:44.509 connect the dots. Harold Ham, a fracking and 00:18:44.509 --> 00:18:47.730 LNG guy, wants to export more natural gas. Joe 00:18:47.730 --> 00:18:49.829 Kraft, a coal guy, wants to keep his coal plants 00:18:49.829 --> 00:18:52.799 open. They donate millions of dollars. And then 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.319 what happens? The administration blocks offshore 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:58.680 wind projects, pushes for more LNG exports, and 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:01.019 creates subsidies to keep old coal plants running. 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.180 The correlation is impossible to ignore. Even 00:19:04.180 --> 00:19:07.079 if those policies like blocking wind energy or 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:09.599 exporting our natural gas result in higher prices 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.500 for the average consumer, they align perfectly 00:19:12.500 --> 00:19:14.960 with the business interests of the specific people 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.859 who wrote the checks. It's amazing. We're told 00:19:17.859 --> 00:19:21.240 wind energy is a scam. Yet the real scam might 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.640 be you paying extra on your electricity bill 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.240 every month to keep a 50 -year -old coal plant 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.039 on life support. That is certainly the argument 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.140 being made by critics. And it creates a very 00:19:32.140 --> 00:19:34.859 confusing, chaotic landscape for the industry 00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:37.559 itself. You might think big business is popping 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:39.619 champagne corks right now because all these regulations 00:19:39.619 --> 00:19:42.240 are gone. Right. Hooray. No more red tape. But 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.640 it is not that simple. Not at all. Yeah. Let's 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.480 talk about that industry reaction, because I 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:48.819 saw something that really surprised me. Tesla 00:19:48.819 --> 00:19:51.740 actually wrote to the administration urging them 00:19:51.740 --> 00:19:54.539 to keep the endangerment finding. Right. Which 00:19:54.539 --> 00:19:56.500 seems counterintuitive until you think about 00:19:56.500 --> 00:19:59.339 it. Tesla's entire business model is built on 00:19:59.339 --> 00:20:02.119 the transition to electric vehicles. Their position 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.539 is that the endangerment finding provided a stable, 00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:09.079 predictable regulatory platform. If you're going 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:12.099 to invest billions of dollars in building gigafactories, 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:14.380 you need to know that the government is going 00:20:14.380 --> 00:20:17.710 to continue to support that transition. Revoking 00:20:17.710 --> 00:20:20.309 the finding pulls the rug out from under them. 00:20:20.769 --> 00:20:23.349 It deprives consumers of choice, and it hurts 00:20:23.349 --> 00:20:26.329 the economic benefits of the entire EV sector. 00:20:26.869 --> 00:20:29.190 So what about the traditional automakers? Ford, 00:20:29.390 --> 00:20:33.470 GM, the big guys? They must be happy. They are 00:20:33.470 --> 00:20:36.230 in a really tough spot. The Alliance for Automotive 00:20:36.230 --> 00:20:38.609 Innovation, which is their main lobbying group, 00:20:38.690 --> 00:20:41.529 has been pretty quiet. Why? Because on one hand, 00:20:41.569 --> 00:20:44.210 they didn't love the very strict rules the previous 00:20:44.210 --> 00:20:45.769 administration put in place. They thought they 00:20:45.769 --> 00:20:47.609 were too aggressive. But on the other hand, what 00:20:47.609 --> 00:20:50.150 they fear more than anything is the patchwork. 00:20:50.289 --> 00:20:52.289 The patchwork. What's that? Imagine if every 00:20:52.289 --> 00:20:55.089 state has different rules. If the federal standard 00:20:55.089 --> 00:20:57.910 completely disappears, powerful states like California 00:20:57.910 --> 00:20:59.789 are going to step in and create their own. And 00:20:59.789 --> 00:21:01.970 they have the market power to do that. Exactly. 00:21:02.210 --> 00:21:04.230 California Governor Gavin Newsom has already 00:21:04.230 --> 00:21:06.829 promised to sue, saying we will see them in court. 00:21:07.369 --> 00:21:10.269 If California sets its own strict emissions rules 00:21:10.269 --> 00:21:13.930 and then 12 or 13 other states that follow California's 00:21:13.930 --> 00:21:16.509 lead adopt them, but Texas and Florida and other 00:21:16.509 --> 00:21:19.250 states don't, how do you build a car for that 00:21:19.250 --> 00:21:21.349 market? It's logistical nightmare. You have to 00:21:21.349 --> 00:21:23.769 manufacture different versions of the same car 00:21:23.769 --> 00:21:26.089 depending on which side of a state line it's 00:21:26.089 --> 00:21:29.380 going to be sold on. It's chaos. Automakers crave 00:21:29.380 --> 00:21:32.400 certainty. A single federal standard, even a 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:34.759 tough one, is often better and more efficient 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:37.259 for them than 50 different standards. And then 00:21:37.259 --> 00:21:39.279 there is the oil and gas industry, the American 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:41.880 Petroleum Institute, the API. You would think 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:44.019 they'd be thrilled to have the EPA off their 00:21:44.019 --> 00:21:46.019 backs completely. And they are when it comes 00:21:46.019 --> 00:21:48.960 to cars. They absolutely want to sell more gasoline. 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:51.140 But surprisingly, Mike Summers, the head of the 00:21:51.140 --> 00:21:53.980 API, said they actually want federal regulation 00:21:53.980 --> 00:21:56.640 of methane. Wait, the oil guys want to be regulated? 00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:59.859 Why? That seems completely counterintuitive. 00:22:00.220 --> 00:22:03.609 It's pure strategy. The big players, your ExxonMobiles, 00:22:03.710 --> 00:22:06.750 your Chevrons, they have already spent millions, 00:22:06.970 --> 00:22:09.109 probably billions of dollars on technology to 00:22:09.109 --> 00:22:11.670 stop methane leaks from their wells. They've 00:22:11.670 --> 00:22:13.170 already made the investment. They've made the 00:22:13.170 --> 00:22:15.190 investment. They want the government to enforce 00:22:15.190 --> 00:22:18.349 rules that force all their smaller, cheaper competitors 00:22:18.349 --> 00:22:21.109 to spend that money too. It levels the playing 00:22:21.109 --> 00:22:23.029 field for them and weeds out the little guys. 00:22:23.329 --> 00:22:25.750 That is fascinating. So the big oil companies 00:22:25.750 --> 00:22:29.210 want regulation to crush the smaller ones while 00:22:29.210 --> 00:22:32.049 the administration is trying to derate. everything 00:22:32.049 --> 00:22:35.490 to help, well who exactly? To help the ideology 00:22:35.490 --> 00:22:38.789 perhaps or to help the specific donors who haven't 00:22:38.789 --> 00:22:41.609 yet made those investments. It creates this chaotic 00:22:41.609 --> 00:22:44.250 environment where the industry itself is completely 00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:46.789 fractured and sending mixed signals. And meanwhile 00:22:46.789 --> 00:22:49.500 the legal warfare is just getting started. You 00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:51.960 mentioned California is preparing to sue. Senator 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:55.039 Chuck Schumer said the blast radius of this decision 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.700 spans from San Diego to Portland, Maine. And 00:22:57.700 --> 00:23:00.000 the legal outlook is very rocky for the administration. 00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:02.160 We have to remember the Supreme Court has already 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.799 ruled on this. They have. Yes. In the landmark 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:09.140 case Massachusetts VEPA back in 2007, the court 00:23:09.140 --> 00:23:11.400 said that the EPA does have the authority under 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.279 the Clean Air Act to regulate greenhouse gases 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:16.480 if they are found to endanger public health. 00:23:16.670 --> 00:23:19.089 So the Supreme Court already gave the green light. 00:23:19.250 --> 00:23:21.390 They said, yes, you can do this. They did. And 00:23:21.390 --> 00:23:24.950 so revoking the finding now after 17 years of 00:23:24.950 --> 00:23:28.170 it being the law of the land is legally tenuous. 00:23:28.450 --> 00:23:30.890 It will face immediate and powerful challenges. 00:23:31.549 --> 00:23:33.190 Environmental groups like the Natural Resources 00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:35.269 Defense Council are already saying the science 00:23:35.269 --> 00:23:37.730 and the law are crystal clear. They are confident 00:23:37.730 --> 00:23:40.910 they can win in court. But court cases take years. 00:23:41.230 --> 00:23:44.089 And in the meantime, the U .S. is stepping back 00:23:44.089 --> 00:23:46.049 from the world stage on this issue. And that 00:23:46.049 --> 00:23:48.630 is the global context we absolutely cannot ignore. 00:23:49.029 --> 00:23:51.049 The U .S. is the second largest polluter right 00:23:51.049 --> 00:23:53.869 now, just behind China. But we are by far the 00:23:53.869 --> 00:23:56.349 largest historical emitter. Right. We put most 00:23:56.349 --> 00:23:58.250 of that carbon up there over the last century. 00:23:58.349 --> 00:24:01.670 We did. And now we are the only nation out of 00:24:01.670 --> 00:24:04.150 nearly 200 to withdraw from the Paris agreement. 00:24:04.630 --> 00:24:06.009 Everyone else is at the table trying to solve 00:24:06.009 --> 00:24:08.009 the problem. And we just flipped the table over 00:24:08.009 --> 00:24:09.849 and walked out of the room. It sends a powerful 00:24:09.849 --> 00:24:12.930 signal. And the clock is ticking. The goal of 00:24:12.930 --> 00:24:15.210 the Paris Agreement was to limit global warming 00:24:15.210 --> 00:24:18.710 to 1 .5 degrees Celsius above pre -industrial 00:24:18.710 --> 00:24:22.009 levels. 1 .5? Scientists now expect that with 00:24:22.009 --> 00:24:24.190 current policies globally, we're on track to 00:24:24.190 --> 00:24:28.329 hit 2 .6 degrees. That's 4 .7 degrees Fahrenheit. 00:24:28.670 --> 00:24:30.789 And for you listening, that difference between 00:24:30.789 --> 00:24:34.170 1 .5 and 2 .6 is not small. It is the difference 00:24:34.170 --> 00:24:37.049 between manageable change and truly catastrophic, 00:24:37.369 --> 00:24:39.690 irreversible tipping points. OK, so let's just 00:24:39.690 --> 00:24:42.130 try to sum this all up. We have a repeal of a 00:24:42.130 --> 00:24:44.869 scientific truth, the endangerment finding, which 00:24:44.869 --> 00:24:47.230 is being done to serve an economic agenda. That's 00:24:47.230 --> 00:24:49.970 the claim. But the economic data suggests consumers 00:24:49.970 --> 00:24:52.230 are actually paying higher prices for energy 00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:55.109 because of policies like LNG exports and coal 00:24:55.109 --> 00:24:58.970 cronyism. Meanwhile, The very real health risks, 00:24:59.329 --> 00:25:02.390 from heat, from disease, from wildfire smoke, 00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:05.609 are skyrocketing. It is a massive contradiction. 00:25:06.190 --> 00:25:08.309 We are being told we can't afford to fight climate 00:25:08.309 --> 00:25:11.269 change, but the data strongly suggests we are 00:25:11.269 --> 00:25:13.890 already paying a premium to ignore it. It really 00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:16.630 makes you wonder about the definition of endangerment. 00:25:17.490 --> 00:25:20.009 The administration says the EPA can only act 00:25:20.009 --> 00:25:23.210 if the danger is near the source. Right, that... 00:25:23.099 --> 00:25:26.200 narrow legal argument. But we're talking about 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:28.480 an atmosphere that wraps around the entire planet. 00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:31.359 The source of the problem is everywhere. The 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:34.460 damage is everywhere. And so if the federal government 00:25:34.460 --> 00:25:37.059 steps back from regulating the very air we all 00:25:37.059 --> 00:25:40.420 breathe, based on this idea that damage must 00:25:40.420 --> 00:25:43.220 be near the source, what happens when the damage 00:25:43.220 --> 00:25:45.920 is, in fact, everywhere? That is the ultimate 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:47.900 question, isn't it? And here's a final thought 00:25:47.900 --> 00:25:50.259 for you to chew on. If the endangerment finding 00:25:50.259 --> 00:25:53.359 is gone, strictly as a legal document on a piece 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.299 of paper. Does that mean the danger itself has 00:25:56.299 --> 00:25:58.599 actually vanished? Of course not. Or have we 00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:00.700 just destroyed our ability to see it coming? 00:26:00.819 --> 00:26:02.299 It feels like tearing down the lighthouse because 00:26:02.299 --> 00:26:04.440 you're tired of looking in the rocks. 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