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Hello and welcome to the Meteorology Matters

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podcast. As you know, our usual focus here is,

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well, it's usually on breaking down complex information

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into understandable insights. We often touch

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on areas where data accuracy and systemic reliability

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are really paramount. Absolutely. Things need

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to add up. Right. Normally on this podcast, we

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lean into topics with, you know, firmly established

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scientific or verifiable foundations, and we

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generally don't deal in what might be considered

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conspiracy theories. It's usually about the hard

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data, the established science. Exactly. However,

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what happens when new emerging evidence, maybe

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including a significant legal case, brings really

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deeply unsettling questions to the forefront,

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questions that frankly demand our attention,

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regardless of how unconventional they might seem

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at first glance. we're going to unpack just such

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a situation. It's one that challenges our understanding

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of data integrity in a domain critical to our

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civic life. It's a deep dive, really, into an

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unexpected but potentially vital area of public

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trust. That's right. And for you, our dedicated

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listener, someone who navigates vast streams

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of information and understands the nuances of

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complex systems daily, well, we know you value

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rigorous investigation. This sophisticated subject,

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prompted by these recent developments, it's something

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that truly merits a deeper examination, I think.

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Yeah. The legal actions and these statistical

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anomalies we're about to explore, they sort of

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push us to consider possibilities we might typically

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shy away from. But now there seems to be a tangible

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basis for discussion. OK. The core of our conversation

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today revolves around this unfolding legal challenge

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in Rockland County, New York. It's all about

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the 2024 presidential and Senate election results

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there. And in this case, It's begun to shed light

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on various irregularities that, for many people,

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have sparked pretty significant questions about

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the integrity of the voting process itself. All

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right, let's unpack this then. Our focus starts

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with a really pivotal legal development right

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here in New York. On May 29, 2025, in open court,

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Judge Rachel Tangway of the New York Supreme

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Court, she issued a ruling that has certainly

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sent ripples through discussions about election

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integrity. a significant move by the court. Definitely.

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She mandated that discovery must proceed in a

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lawsuit challenging the accuracy of the 2024

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presidential and U .S. Senate election results

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specifically within Rockland County. And look,

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this isn't just a casual inquiry or some minor

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complaint, right? It's a formal legal action.

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It's brought by an organization called Smart

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Legislation, which is the action arm of smart

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elections. And these groups, they explicitly

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state their dedication is to ensuring fair and

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accurate elections. They emphasize their mission

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isn't partisan, it's more foundational to democracy.

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Foundational, yeah. Getting the count right.

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Exactly. The lawsuit itself is quite explicit

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in its aims. It seeks a full hand recount of

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both the presidential and U .S. Senate races

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within Rockland County. They're demanding the

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most direct form of verification for these results.

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A hand count. And what's truly fascinating here

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is the precise nature of the claims they're making.

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According to Lulu Friestad, she's the founder

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and executive director of Smart Legislation,

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there is what they're calling clear evidence.

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that indicates the Senate results are incorrect.

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Clear evidence. That's a strong claim. It is,

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and it's apparently based on verifiable discrepancies,

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not just gut feelings. Furthermore, they assert

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that there are statistical indications suggesting

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the presidential results are highly unlikely.

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So you've got direct evidence claims and statistical

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claims. Two different angles. Right. From their

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perspective, if these results are indeed inaccurate,

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it constitutes a direct violation of the constitutional

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rights of every single individual who cast a

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vote in that 2024 general election in Rockland

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County. Their proposed solution, as you said,

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to determine the fidelity of these results is

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a transparent public hand recount of all presidential

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and Senate ballots. Public hand recount? Yeah.

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This approach, they argue, is vitally important,

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particularly in the current environment, you

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know, to foster absolute confidence in the electoral

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outcome. And for anyone who relies on data accuracy,

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like you do in meteorology, the idea that confidence

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is built on verifiable results, not just a certified

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number, well... That's paramount, isn't it? Absolutely.

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It's about being able to trace back and confirm

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every data point. You can't just trust the final

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output without knowing the process was sound.

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OK, so here's where it gets particularly compelling,

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I think, and where specific examples start to

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emerge directly from the legal complaint itself.

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The lawsuit explicitly states that a greater

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number of voters have provided sworn affidavits

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asserting they voted for independent U .S. Senate

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candidate Dianne Sayre than the Rockland County

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Board of Elections actually counted and certified.

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So legal testimony. Exactly. This creates a direct,

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undeniable contradiction to the official results.

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For instance, they point to District 39. Nine

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voters submitted sworn testimony that they cast

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ballots for Sayre, yet the Board of Elections

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recorded only five votes. That's a 44 % shortfall.

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Wow. That's not small. No. And similarly, in

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District 62, five voters claimed to have voted

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for Sarah, but only three were officially counted.

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That's a 40 percent deficit. These aren't, you

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know, minor rounding errors. They seem to be

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direct conflicts between voter testimony under

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oath and the certified totals. That's pretty

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concrete evidence they're presenting there. It

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seems so. And beyond that, the presidential election

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results in Rockland County reportedly exhibit

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numerous statistical anomalies. One particularly

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striking example cited is the presence of multiple

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districts where hundreds of voters selected the

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Democratic candidate Kirsten Gillibrand for Senate.

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OK. Yet these same ballots registered zero votes

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for the Democratic presidential candidate Kamala

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Harris. Zero. for the presidential candidate

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on the same ticket. Zero. This kind of ticket

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splitting where voters choose candidates from

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different parties. Look, it's common to some

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extent, right? Sure. People split tickets. But

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at this kind of scale, and specifically for the

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very top of the ticket where presidential candidates

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usually have pretty high voter engagement, it

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raises immediate questions about data integrity.

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It makes you wonder how such a significant number

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of people would apparently skip the presidential

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race while still meticulously voting down ballot.

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Yeah, that pattern does seem counterintuitive,

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especially the zero votes. You'd expect maybe

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a few under votes, but zero across hundreds of

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ballots where other races were marked. That's

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odd. And to provide even more statistical weight

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to these concerns, a statistician formally determined

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that the 2024 presidential election results were

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statistically highly unlikely in four out of

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the five towns within Rockland County when compared

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against the 2020 election results. Highly unlikely.

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So not impossible, but improbable based on past

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behavior. Exactly. This isn't just a casual observation

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or a hunch. It's a quantified assessment of improbability.

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It means the observed data deviates significantly

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from what you'd expect based on historical patterns

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and standard statistical models. It points to

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a divergence from established electoral patterns

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that, you know, warrants deep investigation,

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moving beyond just anecdotal evidence. Right.

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And adding to this, Max Bonamente, he's a PhD.

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professor of physics and astronomy at the University

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of Alabama in Huntsville, and he's actually written

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the textbook on statistics. So he knows his numbers.

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He definitely should. He stated in an upcoming

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paper on this Rockland data that, and I quote,

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these data would require extreme sociological

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or political causes for their explanation and

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would benefit from further assurances as to their

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fidelity. Extreme causes. That's telling. It

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is. This statement from a respected statistician,

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it really underscores the profoundly unusual

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nature of the observed data. He's suggesting

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its explanation lies outside typical predictable

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electoral behavior. When you have a physicist

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and statistician, someone trained to analyze

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complex data with precision, saying something

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is highly unlikely and requires extreme explanations.

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Well, it certainly signals something significant

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that probably can't be easily dismissed. OK.

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And the lawsuit also focuses heavily on what's

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called drop off irregularities. Can you explain

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that a bit for listeners? Sure. So drop off is

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essentially a measure of the difference between

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the votes a presidential candidate gets and the

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vote a major down ballot candidate from the same

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party gets. on the same ballot. Right. In a typical

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election cycle, you'd expect someone voting for,

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say, the Democratic president to also vote for

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the Democratic senator. Right. Right. There's

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usually some consistency. Makes sense. So the

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drop off rate, the percentage of people who vote

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for the top of the ticket, but not the down ballot

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candidate of the same party, is usually pretty

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small. Maybe 1%, 2%. OK, so very low normally.

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Very low. So any significant deviation from that

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range immediately raises eyebrows. A large positive

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drop -off means the presidential candidate did

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much better than their party's down -ballot candidate.

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They over -performed. Got it. In Rockland County,

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the Republican drop -off was reported at 23%.

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23 % compared to one or two. Exactly. It means

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23 % of Donald Trump's vote totals in Rockland

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County exceeded the Republican Senate candidate's

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votes. This indicates, according to the analysis,

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that the presidential candidate far outperformed

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his down -belly counterpart. It's a surprisingly

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large and statistically unusual margin. Suggesting

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a significant number of voters supported Trump,

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but specifically not his party's Senate candidate

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in that county. That's the implication of that

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number, yes. Conversely, the Democratic drop

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-off was a negative 9%. Negative? How does that

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work? It implies that 9 % of Kamala Harris' vote

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totals were below the Democratic Senate candidate.

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So the Senate candidate got more votes than the

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presidential candidate of the same party. Huh.

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So people voted for the Democratic senator, but

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skipped voting for the Democratic president on

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the same ballot. That's what a negative drop

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-off suggests, yes. Yeah. And this is described

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as a highly unusual phenomenon. It was reportedly

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repeated across the state and, intriguingly,

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across the country. A negative drop -off is particularly

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rare because usually the top of the ticket pulls

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votes down the ballot, not the other way around.

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Right. And Rockland County is specifically highlighted

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as the first county where this particular negative

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democratic drop -off is being formally investigated

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through a legal challenge. OK, so these gaps.

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23 % positive Republican, negative 9 % Democratic.

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That's a huge swing compared to the typical 1

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-2%. Absolutely. The significance of these gaps

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cannot be overstated, especially when typical

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rates are so low. These figures, according to

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the lawsuit, could indicate that votes were miscounted,

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which is a direct challenge to the certified

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results. This kind of deviation from expected

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patterns, it's exactly what prompts deeper investigation

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in any data -driven field, whether it's modeling

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complex atmospheric systems or scrutinizing election

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results. Like spotting an unexpected pressure

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drop signaling a storm. Precisely. It's about

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spotting the outliers that suggest an underlying

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issue, something that requires further analysis

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and can't just be ignored. And this isn't without

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precedent, finding issues through data analysis,

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right? Not at all. The information we've reviewed

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provides some compelling examples where rigorous

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statistical analysis played a critical role in

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uncovering election problems. For instance, you

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had Bladen County, North Carolina. Statistical

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discrepancies there were instrumental in helping

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investigators identify fraudulent absentee ballots

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in both the 2016 and 2018 elections. So the numbers

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just looked wrong. The patterns didn't match

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expected human behavior, which led investigators

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to uncover orchestrated illegal activities like

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ballot harvesting. It shows the power of data

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patterns in revealing underlying problems. And

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there was another case in Philadelphia. Yes,

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involving an election judge who repeatedly committed

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election fraud. Apparently, this was discovered

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not by some big external audit initially, but

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by a local election official. They noticed that

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the election results simply did not reconcile

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correctly within their own internal checks. They

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saw something was off and reported it to law

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enforcement. So internal checks caught it. Right.

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It highlights that human error or intentional

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malfeasance can sometimes be unmasked by rigorous

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data checks and that the system when working

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is intended, can potentially flag these anomalies.

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OK. And any other examples, maybe machine related?

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Yes. Critically, there's the case of Wyndham

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County, New Hampshire, after the 2020 election.

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There, voting machines were found to have counted

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results incorrectly, leading to pretty significant

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discrepancies in a state legislative race. What

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caused that? The root cause was later identified

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as a combination of things dust in the machines

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affecting optical scanners and folds in the absentee

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ballots passing directly through the score marks.

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for one specific race. Wow, simple mechanical

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stuff. Simple mechanical and handling factors,

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yes, but they led to incorrect official counts

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and the incorrect counts were only discovered

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because of a mandated recount and later explained

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by a detailed forensic audit. So these examples,

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they illustrate that election system problems,

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whether they're mechanical, accidental or intentional,

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they're not unprecedented. and recounts or in

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-depth analysis can be absolutely crucial in

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identifying them. Which brings us back to Rockland

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County. Exactly. The current discovery process

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there, ordered by Judge Tangway, is designed

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precisely to provide both the court and the public

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with a clearer, more transparent view into what

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factors might be contributing to these alleged

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irregularities. The plaintiffs, smart legislation,

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they anticipate taking depositions, basically

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sworn testimonies outside of court, and compelling

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the release of documents and data. Getting under

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the hood so to speak trying to yes the ultimate

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outcome Look, it's not directly seeking to overturn

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the national presidential election results Kamala

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Harris hasn't challenged the national result

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But it could potentially alter local election

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outcomes in Rockland or reveal systemic issues

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that impact other races Prompting further scrutiny

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across wider electoral landscapes. So it's really

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about dissecting the process itself It's about

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dissecting the process not just accepting the

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final tally much like, you know, a forensic meteorologist

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would dissect weather data after a major event

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to understand exactly what happened and why the

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models maybe didn't capture it perfectly. Now,

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let's shift gears a bit and move into the technical

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side of this discussion, because the lawsuit

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in Rockland County is also putting a pretty significant

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spotlight on the voting machines themselves,

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specifically those made by ES &S. Election systems

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and software, yeah. One of the biggest vendors

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in the U .S. Right. And the software updates

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those machines received before the election.

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The underlying question here, as the legal complaint

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alleges, is why some machines in Rockland County,

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particularly in the town of Ramapo, recorded

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zero votes for Kamala Harris. votes again. Yeah,

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even on ballots where voters clearly made choices

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in other races like the Senate and House, it

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raises this urgent question. Did the machines

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just fail like a simple malfunction? Or were

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they somehow modified or compromised without

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proper oversight, leading to these specific kind

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of targeted anomalies? It's a critical distinction.

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It is. And for anyone familiar with the precision

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required in complex systems, I mean, you know

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this, when the output doesn't match the input,

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the integrity of the whole system is immediately

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called into question. Right. It's like a critical

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sensor in a weather forecasting model, suddenly

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reporting zero wind speed when everything around

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it shows a strong You instantly know something

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is wrong and that data point is unreliable, potentially

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compromising the whole forecast. And this takes

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us to the role of Pro -V and V. They're one of

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only two federally accredited testing labs for

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voting machines in the entire country. Only two.

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That's not many. Not many for such a critical

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function. The documents indicate that between

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March and September 2024, so in the run up to

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the election, ProVNV approved four updates to

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voting machine software and firmware across the

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U .S. These changes affected components like

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printers, file locations, ballot bins, audit

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functions, essentially key operational parts

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of the election system. So not trivial parts.

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Seemingly not. But they were categorized by the

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Election Assistance Commission, the EAC, as de

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minimis. De minimis, meaning too small to matter.

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That's the crucial classification, yes. It suggests

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they were deemed too minor to warrant full public

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testing or extensive scrutiny. In theory, de

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minimis' changes are supposed to be trivial,

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like fixing a typo in a help screen, not something

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that would affect core functionality or security.

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Now, Jack Cobb, he's pro V &V's lab director,

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he directly rejected the notion that these updates

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compromise the election. He stated in an email,

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there really is no change of any significance.

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And he also asserted that all the relevant details

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were publicly available on the EAC's website.

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But this is where a significant point of contention

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arises, particularly from groups like Smart Elections.

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They argue that Diminimus's label was misused

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here. Right. And Smart Elections, through their

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substack blog, Descent in Bloom, they offer a

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starkly different interpretation of these updates.

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They contend flatly these weren't minor tweaks.

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Instead, they claim these updates touched ballot

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scanners, modified audit files, and even affected

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machines flagged by CISA. CISA, the Cybersecurity

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and Infrastructure Security Agency. That's serious,

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if true. It is. Their argument is that by labeling

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these changes Diminimus, The whole process bypassed

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full testing. public scrutiny and transparency.

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This raises significant concerns for them about

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the true scope and impact of these updates. If

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these changes were indeed substantive, then the

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de -minimum classification would have essentially

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allowed them to be implemented with minimal oversight.

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A potential loophole, they'd argue. That seems

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to be the implication. Cobb, for his part, dismissed

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these claims as completely made up, standing

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by ProVMV's assessment that the changes were

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insignificant. So a direct disagreement. A fundamental

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disagreement about what truly constitutes a minor

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versus a major change in these highly sensitive

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electoral systems. Which, for any of you listening

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who deal with mission -critical software, you

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know, it's analogous to the difference between

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a minor patch to fix a display glitch in some

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operational system and a significant, unverified

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overhaul of the core algorithms. And the process

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for approving the change is everything when system

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integrity and public trust are at stake. And

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beyond the software updates themselves, public

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confidence in these machine certifiers has reportedly

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been undermined by other issues, specifically

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around transparency and just basic accessibility.

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It's highlighted that ProVNV's website was largely

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offline for months following the election. Offline?

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The certifier's website? Largely offline, apparently.

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And as of June 2025, it reportedly remains mostly

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a placeholder page with no easily accessible

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public database of their testing records. That

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seems... problematic. Smart legislation certainly

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thought so. They publicly questioned it, asking,

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why would we trust a company that has led its

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website to city rate publicly for over six months

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to test complex electronic equipment that we

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rely on to determine who controls the treasury,

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the military, and the policy of our entire nation?

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It's a fair question about appearances and due

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diligence, isn't it? It is. Cobb, in response,

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stated that the site was indeed down briefly

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in February, but insisted it is now live, though

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he did concede some parts reportedly remaining

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complete. But this whole back and forth about

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the accessibility and transparency of public

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records for testing election systems is yet another

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flashpoint in this broader debate surrounding

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election system reliability. Yeah, the inability

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to easily access testing documentation for critical

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systems would be a significant red flag for anyone

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concerned with auditing and accountability in

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any field, not just elections. Definitely. So

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what does the broader expert community say about

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all this? Are they all leaning one way? Well,

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as you might expect, they're divided on the definitive

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causes of these anomalies, but there is a clear

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point of agreement on the necessity of investigation.

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Kostas Penagopoulos, he's an election expert

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from Northeastern University, he emphasized that

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unusual results should always be checked. That's

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a consensus across disciplines, anomalies, demand,

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scrutiny. Check the weird numbers. Exactly. However,

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he also cautioned against immediately jumping

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to conclusions about fraud without clear proof.

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He stressed the need for thorough investigation

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before assigning blame. He suggested that The

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drop -off inconsistencies could reflect the idiosyncratic

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nature of the 2024 presidential election cycle,

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implying that the unique political landscape

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or voter behavior might contribute to these patterns

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in ways we don't immediately grasp. So maybe

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it wasn't machines. Maybe it was just weird politics

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that year. That's one possibility he raises.

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He also added that alone, statistical comparisons

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to previous cycles cannot provide definitive

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proof of wrongdoing, which is important, right?

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Right. Patterns are suggestive, not proof in

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themselves. Correct. It underscores that while

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patterns might be odd, or even highly unlikely,

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they don't automatically equate to malfeasance.

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There could be complex sociological or political

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factors at play that defy easy explanation. More

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investigation is always warranted before drawing

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firm conclusions. Like unexpected weather patterns

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needing extensive meteorological analysis before

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you can say exactly what caused them. Precisely.

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Nonetheless, Panagopoulos also unequivocally

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agreed that the system must be held to account,

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and he acknowledged that mistakes can happen.

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And this highlights a consensus that I think

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resonates deeply with anyone managing complex

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systems. Regardless of the ultimate cause, whether

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it's simple error, a design flaw, or intentional

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action, scrutinizing these election results is

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a necessary step to strengthen public confidence.

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It's about verifying the data, not just accepting

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it blindly. Exactly. Verifying the process and

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the data. Now, the lawsuit itself, as we said,

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it's not seeking to overturn Donald Trump's certified

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win nationally. But if the court does find that

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votes were incorrectly recorded or not counted

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at all in Rockland, it could have significant

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ripple effects. Like what? Well, potential impacts

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could include tougher review processes for future

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voting machine software updates, maybe lawmakers

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push for more transparent, more rigorous audits

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that go beyond current standards. You might even

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see a push for the reintroduction of hand counted

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paper ballots in some states, moving away from

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purely electronic systems, or at least having

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more robust paper trails and audits. So the core

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question for the court isn't really who won.

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Not directly at the national level, no. It's

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more fundamentally, did the process itself function

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as intended? Did it accurately record the votes

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cast? And that raises a profound question for

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anyone who trusts data. If the process of obtaining

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that fundamental data is compromised, what is

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the true meaning or validity of the outcome derived

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from it? Right. If your weather sensors are faulty,

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Your forecast is questionable, no matter what

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it says. Exactly that. OK, now. We need to venture

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into territory that, as we noted right at the

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top of this Meteorology Matters podcast, is typically

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outside our usual scope. But the Rockland County

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lawsuit, as we've discussed, it kind of opens

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the door to further, much larger questions. And

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one particular document we reviewed presents

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a narrative. Look, it's highly speculative, it's

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controversial, but it claims to offer a much

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larger overarching context for the alleged irregularities

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we've been discussing. A bigger picture theory.

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A much bigger picture. This narrative suggests

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that the missing votes in Rockland County are

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merely the tip of the iceberg of what it calls

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a full -scale operation that extended across

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the 2024 swing states and even into Texas. Now,

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it's really important to stress here, we are

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impartially relaying the content of this specific

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document as part of the information provided

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for this deep dive. We are not endorsing its

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viewpoints or validating its claims as factual.

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Okay? Understood. Presenting the claims, not

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confirming them. Right. The document posits a

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theory of a systemic digital occupation, describing

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it as clean, credentialed, and remote controlled.

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It alleges a dark enlightenment coup and hints

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at a vote -flipping algorithm. Those are very

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strong terms. Extremely strong terms. And the

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narrative certainly paints a provocative picture,

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even as we acknowledge its highly controversial

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and frankly unverified nature at this point.

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Okay, so where does this particular account begin?

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How does it build this narrative? Well, this

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specific account starts by tracing a path back

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to March 2021. It points to the sale of a company

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called Triplite. Triplite. They make surge protectors,

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battery backups, that kind of thing, right? Exactly.

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Widely known hardware brand. They were sold for

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$1 .65 billion. The buyer was Eaton Corporation.

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Eaton. They're a big global power infrastructure

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conglomerate. That's right. And crucially, according

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to this document, Eaton had an existing partnership

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with Peter Thiel's Palantir. Palantir, the data

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analytics company. OK, so Eaton buys Triplight.

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Eaton partners with Palantir. What's the alleged

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connection to voting? What's alleged here is

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that these Triplight devices, the battery backups

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and surge protectors are physically connected

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to ES &S, central tabulators, and election wear

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servers, and also, apparently, to Dominion tabulators

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and central servers across the country. Connected

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how? Just for power. The document claims they

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aren't just dumb devices providing power backup.

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It asserts they are smart UPS units' uninterruptible

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power supplies, meaning they are programmable,

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updatable, and capable of direct communication

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with the election systems they're connected to

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via common ports like USB, serial, or ethernet.

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So they can talk to the voting machines. That's

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the claim. And the critical assertion is that

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ESNS ElectionWare, which runs on Windows OS,

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automatically trusts connected UPS hardware.

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It sees it as a trusted device. So the theory

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put forth is that if Eaton pushed an uncertified

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update to these UPS units, it could have gained

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root level access to the host tabulation environment.

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Root level access. That's like complete control,

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right? Essentially, yes. unrestricted administrative

00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:57.599
control. The idea is this could happen without

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ever modifying the certified election software

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itself. It bypasses that layer of scrutiny. A

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back door through the power supply. That's the

00:26:04.900 --> 00:26:07.279
theory presented. Furthermore, the document claims

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that in Dominion's Democracy Suite 5 .1 SEG software,

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these UPS drivers are listed as optional. This,

00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.259
the document argues, implies they can be updated

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remotely without triggering certification requirements

00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.759
or oversight, making them unregulated. invisible

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and perfect for infiltration, according to this

00:26:24.099 --> 00:26:26.700
narrative. So a potential hidden pathway for

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manipulation via seemingly harmless hardware.

00:26:29.420 --> 00:26:32.019
That's the core idea. That's the core idea presented

00:26:32.019 --> 00:26:34.619
in this document. Yes, a unique, potentially

00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:37.319
undetected every point. OK, so building on this

00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.160
alleged foundation, the narrative continues by

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highlighting Eaton's deepening partnership with

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volunteer technologies in May 2024. The document

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emphasizes that Palantir wasn't brought in for

00:26:48.859 --> 00:26:51.720
just typical customer service or basic IT support,

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but rather to do what it does best, manage, shape,

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and secure vast streams of data quietly. Quietly.

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Quietly. And for anyone listening who works with

00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:06.000
immense data sets, you understand the power of

00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.019
data manipulation and analytics. The idea of

00:27:09.019 --> 00:27:11.559
an entity quietly managing and shaping critical

00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:15.119
data is... Well, it's potent, and depending on

00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.420
the context, potentially quite concerning. Indeed.

00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:19.640
Data shaping can mean many things. According

00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:21.559
to Eaton's own public release, which is cited

00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.519
in this document, Palantir's role would include

00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:25.980
things like AI -driven oversight of connected

00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:28.900
infrastructure, automated analysis of large data

00:27:28.900 --> 00:27:30.700
sets, and this is the point the document really

00:27:30.700 --> 00:27:33.180
flexed, secure erasure of digital footprints.

00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.420
Secure erasure of digital footprints. That sounds

00:27:35.420 --> 00:27:37.660
significant. The document directly interprets

00:27:37.660 --> 00:27:41.309
that phrase as forensic sanitization. It implies

00:27:41.309 --> 00:27:44.150
that this capability was embedded into Eaton

00:27:44.150 --> 00:27:46.549
-managed hardware connected directly to voting

00:27:46.549 --> 00:27:49.849
systems, leading to the very bold assertion that,

00:27:49.849 --> 00:27:53.029
quote, Palantir didn't change the votes. It helped

00:27:53.029 --> 00:27:55.349
ensure you'd never prove it if someone else did.

00:27:55.529 --> 00:27:58.579
Wow. So not accusing Palantir of the act itself,

00:27:58.940 --> 00:28:00.920
but of providing the means to cover the tracks

00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:02.980
if something happened. That's exactly the claim

00:28:02.980 --> 00:28:05.140
being made in this narrative, a very pointed

00:28:05.140 --> 00:28:07.839
claim about how data might be handled or obscured

00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.420
after the fact. Okay, this narrative then introduces

00:28:10.420 --> 00:28:12.779
another element, a platform called ballot proof.

00:28:12.859 --> 00:28:15.819
Yes. It's described in the document as a ballot

00:28:15.819 --> 00:28:18.559
scrubbing platform, apparently co -created by

00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.259
someone named Ethan Shaltran, identified as a

00:28:21.259 --> 00:28:23.599
longtime employee of Elon Musk and currently

00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.930
associated with DOGE. ballot proof. Sounds like

00:28:26.930 --> 00:28:28.849
it should be about transparency. Well, it was

00:28:28.849 --> 00:28:30.910
reportedly pitched publicly as a transparency

00:28:30.910 --> 00:28:33.809
solution, an app designed to let people verify,

00:28:34.069 --> 00:28:37.329
scan ballot images, and ostensibly support election

00:28:37.329 --> 00:28:39.910
integrity efforts. But the narrative suggests

00:28:39.910 --> 00:28:42.609
otherwise. In the context of this overarching

00:28:42.609 --> 00:28:45.869
speculative narrative, yes, the document claims

00:28:45.869 --> 00:28:48.470
that with Palantir's AI controlling the backend

00:28:48.470 --> 00:28:51.069
data handling and ballot proof cleaning the front

00:28:51.069 --> 00:28:53.710
public interface, only one thing was missing.

00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:58.460
the signal to go live. Implying a coordinated

00:28:58.460 --> 00:29:00.819
effort. It suggests a coordinated effort to control

00:29:00.819 --> 00:29:04.019
both the underlying data infrastructure and the

00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:07.299
public -facing verification tools, creating a

00:29:07.299 --> 00:29:10.140
system where, according to this unverified narrative,

00:29:10.819 --> 00:29:12.859
irregularities could potentially be managed,

00:29:13.220 --> 00:29:16.839
obscured, or scrubbed from detection. A sophisticated

00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.519
multi -layered approach to potentially hide manipulation,

00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.920
making it much harder for independent observers

00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.180
to verify the results. That's the picture it

00:29:24.180 --> 00:29:26.019
paints. That's the picture it paints, yes. A

00:29:26.019 --> 00:29:28.259
system designed in this view to control the narrative

00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:30.779
of the data. Okay, so the timeline, according

00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:32.759
to this document, then progresses to September

00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.859
2024. This is when Eaton formally partnered with

00:29:35.859 --> 00:29:38.460
Elon Musk. Musk enters the picture now. Yes.

00:29:38.670 --> 00:29:41.130
The stated public purpose of this collaboration

00:29:41.130 --> 00:29:43.750
was described rather vaguely, focusing on things

00:29:43.750 --> 00:29:46.970
like grid resilience and next generation communications.

00:29:47.829 --> 00:29:49.750
Standard corporate partnership language, perhaps.

00:29:49.769 --> 00:29:52.150
That was fairly innocuous. On the surface. Yet

00:29:52.150 --> 00:29:54.509
the document claims that buried in the partnership

00:29:54.509 --> 00:29:57.609
documents was this line. Exploring integration

00:29:57.609 --> 00:30:00.970
with Starlink's emerging low orbit DTC infrastructure

00:30:00.970 --> 00:30:04.759
for secure operational continuity. Starlink DTC

00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.500
direct -to -cell technology. Exactly. And this,

00:30:07.539 --> 00:30:09.660
the document argues, sets the stage for what

00:30:09.660 --> 00:30:12.690
it dramatically calls the activation. It alleges

00:30:12.690 --> 00:30:15.710
that on October 30, 2024, just literally days

00:30:15.710 --> 00:30:19.650
before the election, Elon Musk activated 265

00:30:19.650 --> 00:30:23.549
brand new low earth orbit or LEO V2 mini satellites.

00:30:24.250 --> 00:30:26.250
Each one reportedly equipped with this direct

00:30:26.250 --> 00:30:29.349
to sell DTC technology. The claim is that this

00:30:29.349 --> 00:30:32.190
DTC tech is capable of processing routing and

00:30:32.190 --> 00:30:34.410
manipulating real time data, including voting

00:30:34.410 --> 00:30:36.710
data through his satellite network. Manipulating

00:30:36.710 --> 00:30:39.130
voting data via satellite. That's a huge leap.

00:30:39.329 --> 00:30:42.069
It's a massive claim. The document specifically

00:30:42.069 --> 00:30:45.430
states that DTC doesn't need routers, cell towers,

00:30:45.650 --> 00:30:48.430
or even a traditional SIM card. It connects directly

00:30:48.430 --> 00:30:51.109
from a satellite to any compatible device. Any

00:30:51.109 --> 00:30:54.750
compatible device. Including, the document alleges,

00:30:54.890 --> 00:30:57.450
embedded modems and air -gapped voting systems,

00:30:58.029 --> 00:31:01.490
smart UPS units, or unsecured auxiliary hardware.

00:31:01.829 --> 00:31:06.029
So, bypassing air gaps. which are meant to be

00:31:06.029 --> 00:31:08.349
secure isolation. That's the explicit claim.

00:31:08.589 --> 00:31:10.509
The implication, according to this narrative,

00:31:10.890 --> 00:31:13.930
is profound. Commands could be sent from orbit,

00:31:14.549 --> 00:31:17.049
patch delivery became invisible to domestic monitors,

00:31:17.869 --> 00:31:20.089
and compromised devices could be triggered remotely.

00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.859
It paints a picture of unprecedented remote access

00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:25.299
and control, effectively bypassing conventional

00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:27.700
security measures that rely on physical or network

00:31:27.700 --> 00:31:30.079
isolation. That's extraordinary, if true. It

00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.200
is an extraordinary claim, yes. And one striking

00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.400
detail emphasized in this document is the alleged

00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:37.440
steed of this Starlink DTC project. It claims

00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.319
that this groundbreaking project, which it says

00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:41.660
should have taken two plus years to build, was

00:31:41.660 --> 00:31:44.240
completed in just under 10 months. That is fast

00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.720
for complex satellite tech. Extremely fast, according

00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.799
to this account. The narrative questions Elon

00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.180
Musk's reported silence on this achievement.

00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:56.380
It notes he typically boasts endlessly about

00:31:56.380 --> 00:31:58.019
everything he's launching, building, buying,

00:31:58.220 --> 00:31:59.720
or even just thinking about whether it's real

00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:03.880
or not. The document finds this apparent silence

00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:07.039
weird, suggesting it's uncharacteristic for someone

00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.160
so publicly vocal about his accomplishments,

00:32:09.859 --> 00:32:12.180
especially something this technically significant.

00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:15.460
Highlighting the lack of fanfare as suspicious

00:32:15.460 --> 00:32:17.740
in itself. That's how the narrative frames it.

00:32:17.710 --> 00:32:20.450
and adding another sort of cryptic layer to this,

00:32:20.730 --> 00:32:22.789
the document references New York Times reporting

00:32:22.789 --> 00:32:25.950
from October 5th, just before this alleged Starlink

00:32:25.950 --> 00:32:29.309
DTC activation. It quotes a text allegedly sent

00:32:29.309 --> 00:32:32.150
from Musk to a confidant. I'm feeling more optimistic

00:32:32.150 --> 00:32:34.650
after tonight. Tomorrow we unleash the anomaly

00:32:34.650 --> 00:32:36.910
in the Matrix. Anomaly in the Matrix. And then

00:32:36.910 --> 00:32:39.089
an hour later, another alleged text. This isn't

00:32:39.089 --> 00:32:40.410
something on the chessboard, so they'll be quite

00:32:40.410 --> 00:32:43.950
surprised. Lasers from space. Lasers from space.

00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:47.140
This document interprets these texts, perhaps

00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:49.920
unsurprisingly given the context, as a blueprint

00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.900
for the alleged operation, a pre -election hint

00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:56.440
at a planned disruptive intervention. It implies

00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.480
lasers from space isn't literal, but maybe a

00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.380
metaphor for a discrete, high -tech, unexpected

00:33:02.380 --> 00:33:05.329
operation launched via satellite. Wow. Okay,

00:33:05.490 --> 00:33:07.609
so according to this highly speculative account,

00:33:08.210 --> 00:33:10.670
what was the alleged outcome of this elaborate

00:33:10.670 --> 00:33:13.609
multi -layered operation involving UPS units,

00:33:14.109 --> 00:33:17.069
Palantir, Ballot Proof, Eaton, and Starlink?

00:33:17.410 --> 00:33:19.539
The alleged outcome. according to this document,

00:33:19.660 --> 00:33:21.960
was election data that makes no statistical sense.

00:33:22.339 --> 00:33:25.259
No statistical sense. How so? The document specifically

00:33:25.259 --> 00:33:27.619
claims a clean sweep in all seven swing states.

00:33:27.740 --> 00:33:30.140
And the fall of the blue wall, the term referring

00:33:30.140 --> 00:33:32.619
to traditionally Democratic states like Pennsylvania,

00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.059
Michigan, Wisconsin, that shifted Republican.

00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.180
A clean sweep. Yes. It states that 88 counties

00:33:38.180 --> 00:33:40.519
flipped red, not one flipped blue across these

00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.400
key areas, and that every victory landed just

00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.359
under the threshold that would trigger an automatic

00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.819
recount in those specific states and counties.

00:33:48.029 --> 00:33:49.789
Just under the recount threshold, that seems

00:33:49.789 --> 00:33:53.250
convenient, if true. Extremely convenient. And

00:33:53.250 --> 00:33:55.730
for anyone who understands statistical significance

00:33:55.730 --> 00:33:58.690
and how rare such uniformly one -sided outcomes

00:33:58.690 --> 00:34:02.170
are in large, complex data sets, especially across

00:34:02.170 --> 00:34:05.509
multiple independent state systems, well, these

00:34:05.509 --> 00:34:07.150
claims are designed to be quite provocative.

00:34:07.369 --> 00:34:09.590
Such a pattern, if it actually occurred exactly

00:34:09.590 --> 00:34:12.300
like that. would be highly unusual, to say the

00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:14.460
least. Statistically improbable under normal

00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:17.079
circumstances, the document implies. Furthermore,

00:34:17.539 --> 00:34:19.579
this narrative asserts that Donald Trump outperformed

00:34:19.579 --> 00:34:22.519
expectations in down -valid races with margins

00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.980
never before seen, while simultaneously Kamala

00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:28.579
Harris underperformed in those exact same areas.

00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.039
It goes so far as to claim that if you were to

00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:33.679
accept these results at face value, then Donald

00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.380
Trump, despite being a 34 -count convicted felon,

00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.860
Supposedly outperformed Ronald Reagan in terms

00:34:38.860 --> 00:34:41.280
of electoral performance. Reagan's victory is

00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.699
often being considered benchmarks. So sweeping

00:34:43.699 --> 00:34:46.659
claims about a very distinct, targeted, and statistically

00:34:46.659 --> 00:34:49.059
improbable pattern of results focused on swing

00:34:49.059 --> 00:34:51.300
states and election day votes. That's the core

00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:53.860
of the outcome described. And the document cites

00:34:53.860 --> 00:34:56.079
the co -founder of something called the Election

00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.440
Truth Alliance, who claims these anomalies didn't

00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.590
happen nationwide. They didn't happen, apparently,

00:35:02.949 --> 00:35:05.289
across all voting methods, like early voting

00:35:05.289 --> 00:35:08.110
or mail -in ballots. Instead, the claim is they

00:35:08.110 --> 00:35:11.110
were concentrated, targeted, and specific to

00:35:11.110 --> 00:35:13.969
swing states and Texas, and specific to Election

00:35:13.969 --> 00:35:17.500
Day voting. Concentrated and targeted. Not random

00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:20.199
noise. That's the assertion. This particular

00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.719
count dismisses conventional explanations like,

00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.639
oh, her policies were unpopular, arguing that

00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.059
such general explanations would likely show broader,

00:35:28.099 --> 00:35:30.840
more consistent effects across all voting methods

00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.739
and regions, not just election day votes in specific

00:35:33.739 --> 00:35:36.679
locations. Right. Unpopularity presumably wouldn't

00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.239
just affect election day machine voters in swing

00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.090
states. Exactly. It challenges the logical leap

00:35:42.090 --> 00:35:44.789
required, in their view, to believe that in all

00:35:44.789 --> 00:35:47.269
the battleground states, Democratic voters were

00:35:47.269 --> 00:35:50.250
so disillusioned by Vice President Harris's platform

00:35:50.250 --> 00:35:52.710
that they voted, blew down ballot, but flipped

00:35:52.710 --> 00:35:55.480
to Trump at the top of the ticket. And again,

00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:57.659
the document emphasizes this alleged behavior

00:35:57.659 --> 00:36:00.380
wasn't observed in early voting or by mail, but

00:36:00.380 --> 00:36:03.039
with exception to Nevada, only on election day,

00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.679
and only after a certain threshold of ballots

00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.280
have been capped. After a threshold? Yes. Where

00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.519
VP Harris's numbers begin to diverge from our

00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:12.920
own party and Trump's suddenly begin to surge.

00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.059
The document says, in the world of election data

00:36:16.059 --> 00:36:18.380
analysis, there's a term for that pattern. Which

00:36:18.380 --> 00:36:21.380
is? Vote flipping algorithm. suggesting a calculated

00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:23.539
automated manipulation kicking in at a certain

00:36:23.539 --> 00:36:26.360
point rather than organic voter behavior. Wow.

00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.699
That is a very bold assertion, pointing to specific

00:36:29.699 --> 00:36:32.619
quantifiable shifts rather than just general

00:36:32.619 --> 00:36:34.780
trends. Daily bold, yes. So, OK, we've heard

00:36:34.780 --> 00:36:37.679
the alleged how and the alleged what. This document

00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.280
then ventures into attributing motives, the why,

00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.300
right? Why would this alleged crime of the century,

00:36:43.300 --> 00:36:46.360
as it calls it, happen? Yes, it goes there. It

00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:48.780
attributes high stakes motives to the key figures

00:36:48.780 --> 00:36:51.880
and names. For Elon Musk, the narrative claims

00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:54.900
he faced the real possibility of a prison sentence

00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:58.000
if Trump lost. linking this to various ongoing

00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.719
investigations or potential legal troubles. Okay.

00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:03.500
It asserts that his bid for Twitter which it

00:37:03.500 --> 00:37:06.559
notes was $20 billion over market value, came

00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.179
just 49 days after Putin invaded Ukraine, suggesting

00:37:10.179 --> 00:37:12.139
the timing alone should have raised every red

00:37:12.139 --> 00:37:14.559
flag about the underlying motivations. Connecting

00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.239
the Twitter deal to Ukraine? How? It connects

00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.099
this to a purported ROI, or return on investment,

00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:23.380
of $15 trillion in mineral rights tied to Ukraine

00:37:23.380 --> 00:37:25.900
losing the war and geopolitical deals Trump could

00:37:25.900 --> 00:37:28.559
greenlight. Suggested the Twitter acquisition

00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.869
wasn't a loss, it was leverage. Fifteen trillion?

00:37:31.949 --> 00:37:34.909
That's an astronomical figure. It is. The document

00:37:34.909 --> 00:37:37.269
uses it to paint a picture of immense financial

00:37:37.269 --> 00:37:39.510
stakes tied to the war's outcome and Trump's

00:37:39.510 --> 00:37:41.539
potential policies. Furthermore, this account

00:37:41.539 --> 00:37:43.980
claims it's no secret Musk was in communication

00:37:43.980 --> 00:37:46.179
with Putin for over two years and alleges he

00:37:46.179 --> 00:37:48.539
even granted Starlink access to Russian forces,

00:37:49.019 --> 00:37:51.239
a move this document flatly labels as treason.

00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.320
These are incredibly serious accusations, tying

00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.159
business decisions directly to geopolitics, war

00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.199
outcomes, and immense personal, legal, and financial

00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.039
stakes. Extremely serious, yes. Painting a picture

00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.889
of deeply intertwined interests. according to

00:38:05.889 --> 00:38:08.190
this source. And what about Peter Thiel? What

00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:10.550
motives are attributed to him and others? The

00:38:10.550 --> 00:38:12.889
narrative then turns to Peter Thiel and what

00:38:12.889 --> 00:38:15.670
it disparagingly calls the Brolegarks, described

00:38:15.670 --> 00:38:18.280
as tech billionaires who worship at the altar

00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.019
of shower avoidant blogger Curtis Yarvin. Curtis

00:38:21.019 --> 00:38:24.039
Yarvin, the near reactionary blogger. Yes. This

00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.360
document claims these individuals casually joke

00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.340
about humane genocide for non -producers and

00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:31.780
have long viewed democracy as a nuisance, an

00:38:31.780 --> 00:38:33.679
obstacle to their vision of hyper capitalism

00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.619
and themselves as the permanent ruling elite.

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So an ideological motive, anti -democratic. That's

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the attributed motive. It connects this alleged

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ideology to political outcomes, asking rhetorically

00:38:45.849 --> 00:38:48.210
whether the elimination of Medicaid isn't akin

00:38:48.210 --> 00:38:51.389
to humane genocide, and questioning why his 40

00:38:51.389 --> 00:38:53.730
-year -old protege and political rookie, JD Vance,

00:38:54.190 --> 00:38:57.429
is vice president. It suggests that if third

00:38:57.429 --> 00:38:59.389
-term legislation were to pass, it would hand

00:38:59.389 --> 00:39:02.590
Vance a minimum of 12 years at the helm of Thiel's

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regime. Again, these are claims originating solely

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from the provided document, attributing a specific

00:39:07.849 --> 00:39:10.429
radical ideology and long -term political plan.

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And finally, for Donald Trump himself. For Donald

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Trump, the document claims he was facing 88 felony

00:39:17.349 --> 00:39:19.550
indictments and was therefore desperate to avoid

00:39:19.550 --> 00:39:22.150
conviction. That's presented as a primary motive.

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It also alleges he was locked in a decades -long

00:39:24.590 --> 00:39:27.010
alliance with Vladimir Putin, an alliance this

00:39:27.010 --> 00:39:30.110
source claims is now impossible to ignore. Linking

00:39:30.110 --> 00:39:32.550
desperation over indictments with alleged foreign

00:39:32.550 --> 00:39:36.170
ties. Yes. This is linked directly to his stated

00:39:36.170 --> 00:39:39.329
policy trail. It asserts he froze aid to Ukraine

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and has threatened to place sanctions on them

00:39:41.349 --> 00:39:43.429
while planning to lift sanctions off Russia.

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and that he openly campaigned for anti -EU candidates

00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.039
and sided with Russia in multiple key United

00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.519
Nations votes related to the Ukraine conflict.

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The document concludes this section with the

00:39:55.340 --> 00:39:57.860
highly charged statement. Donald Trump pledges

00:39:57.860 --> 00:40:00.219
allegiance to a red, white, and blue flag. It's

00:40:00.219 --> 00:40:02.900
just not the American one. Okay. Very strong

00:40:02.900 --> 00:40:06.079
claims about motives tying personal, legal, jeopardy,

00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:08.579
ideology, and geopolitical alignments together

00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:11.199
as the driving forces behind this alleged operation.

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Again, we stress these are the motives presented

00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.420
in the document we reviewed, not established

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facts. Correct. It's crucial to maintain that

00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.199
distinction. So after laying out all of that,

00:40:21.019 --> 00:40:23.159
what does this all mean for the future if any

00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.179
of these narratives hold any weight at all? What

00:40:25.179 --> 00:40:27.460
are the implications or proposed paths forward?

00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.530
Well, the documents we've explored Both the legal

00:40:30.530 --> 00:40:32.769
filings and the more speculative narrative suggest

00:40:32.769 --> 00:40:35.489
that the Rockland County lawsuit, even if it

00:40:35.489 --> 00:40:38.010
doesn't overturn the national result, represents

00:40:38.010 --> 00:40:40.789
a crucial first step. It implies that if the

00:40:40.789 --> 00:40:43.570
court finds clear evidence that votes were wrongly

00:40:43.570 --> 00:40:46.250
recorded or simply not counted, it could have

00:40:46.250 --> 00:40:48.789
significant ripple effects on future election

00:40:48.789 --> 00:40:51.730
processes. We touched on this earlier, tougher

00:40:51.730 --> 00:40:54.530
reviews for voting machine software. Potentially,

00:40:54.769 --> 00:40:57.369
yes. Maybe lawmakers feel pressured to push for

00:40:57.369 --> 00:40:59.769
more transparent audits, audits that are more

00:40:59.769 --> 00:41:01.949
rigorous and publicly accessible than current

00:41:01.949 --> 00:41:04.849
standards might require. And as we mentioned,

00:41:05.309 --> 00:41:08.030
some states might possibly reintroduce hand -counted

00:41:08.030 --> 00:41:10.909
paper ballots as a primary method, or at least

00:41:10.909 --> 00:41:13.510
demand more robust paper trails and audits, moving

00:41:13.510 --> 00:41:15.909
away from a complete reliance on electronic systems

00:41:15.909 --> 00:41:18.809
they feel lack transparency. So, for any of you

00:41:18.809 --> 00:41:21.269
listening who are accustomed to systems where

00:41:21.269 --> 00:41:23.949
anomalies, errors, or unexpected results lead

00:41:23.949 --> 00:41:26.250
directly to reevaluation and improved procedures,

00:41:26.710 --> 00:41:28.789
well, this concept of continuous improvement

00:41:28.789 --> 00:41:31.170
in electoral systems would resonate deeply, wouldn't

00:41:31.170 --> 00:41:34.429
it? Absolutely. It's about taking lessons learned

00:41:34.429 --> 00:41:37.050
from current challenges, whatever their cause,

00:41:37.510 --> 00:41:40.289
to build more robust, more resilient, and more

00:41:40.289 --> 00:41:43.989
trustworthy systems for the future. Just as meteorological

00:41:43.989 --> 00:41:46.289
models are constantly refined based on observed

00:41:46.289 --> 00:41:49.070
deviations and forecast errors. Right. Learning

00:41:49.070 --> 00:41:52.190
from mistakes or perceived mistakes. The more

00:41:52.190 --> 00:41:54.489
provocative document we discussed also outlines

00:41:54.489 --> 00:41:57.030
very specific actions it believes are necessary,

00:41:57.570 --> 00:42:00.230
echoing its sense of urgency. It claims, quite

00:42:00.230 --> 00:42:02.989
dramatically, we don't need permission to enforce

00:42:02.989 --> 00:42:06.460
the Constitution. We need courage. And it suggests

00:42:06.460 --> 00:42:08.900
that while state attorneys general begin their

00:42:08.900 --> 00:42:11.519
investigations, it only takes one U .S. senator

00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.659
to initiate the disqualification proceedings

00:42:13.659 --> 00:42:16.260
against the unelected and unfit occupant of the

00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:18.900
Oval Office. Wow. OK, that's obviously a highly

00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:20.760
charged political statement within that source

00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.139
material calling for immediate drastic action

00:42:23.139 --> 00:42:25.280
based on their allegations. Extremely charged,

00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.099
yes. But it highlights the proposed stakes of

00:42:28.099 --> 00:42:29.880
the alleged findings, according to that narrative.

00:42:30.090 --> 00:42:32.309
More concretely, though, this document recommends

00:42:32.309 --> 00:42:34.590
specific steps for State Attorneys General and

00:42:34.590 --> 00:42:36.829
investigators to take. What kind of steps? Things

00:42:36.829 --> 00:42:40.090
like conduct independent forensic audits of the

00:42:40.090 --> 00:42:42.809
UPS firmware on Dominion and ES &S machines,

00:42:43.329 --> 00:42:46.010
specifically looking for any uncertified or unauthorized

00:42:46.010 --> 00:42:48.690
modifications hidden there. Subpoena communications

00:42:48.690 --> 00:42:51.449
between employees at Eaton, Palantir, Starlink,

00:42:52.070 --> 00:42:55.010
and the Testing Lab Pro V &V trying to uncover

00:42:55.010 --> 00:42:57.469
any alleged undisclosed dealings or coordination.

00:42:57.659 --> 00:43:00.860
following the communication trail. Yes. Also,

00:43:00.860 --> 00:43:03.039
audit Starlink satellite logs for the specific

00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.659
week of the election to track data transmissions,

00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:07.900
looking for unusual activity related to those

00:43:07.900 --> 00:43:10.960
DTC satellites, freeze any uncertified infrastructure

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.619
updates on voting systems going forward, and

00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:16.139
critically, recount physical ballots by hand,

00:43:16.460 --> 00:43:18.739
which they see as the ultimate verifiable meager

00:43:18.739 --> 00:43:21.219
against potential electronic manipulation. So

00:43:21.219 --> 00:43:24.099
a fairly detailed investigative wish list. It

00:43:24.099 --> 00:43:26.820
is. And the document concludes with another provocative

00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:29.510
claim. that this alleged technological toolkit

00:43:29.510 --> 00:43:31.769
for manipulating elections is now being rolled

00:43:31.769 --> 00:43:34.130
out abroad. It claims countries are allegedly

00:43:34.130 --> 00:43:36.329
being forced into startling contracts in exchange

00:43:36.329 --> 00:43:38.750
for tariff relief, concluding that the U .S.

00:43:39.010 --> 00:43:40.809
election wasn't their endgame, it was their litmus

00:43:40.809 --> 00:43:44.059
test. Implying a global agenda based on a successful

00:43:44.059 --> 00:43:47.719
U .S. operation. Again, a very bold and unverified

00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.239
claim from this source. Very bold indeed. Well,

00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.179
what an incredibly detailed and frankly at times

00:43:53.179 --> 00:43:55.980
quite unsettling examination of information we've

00:43:55.980 --> 00:43:58.460
undertaken today. We've really covered a wide

00:43:58.460 --> 00:44:00.940
spectrum, haven't we? From the concrete legal

00:44:00.940 --> 00:44:03.780
proceedings in Rockland County with their specific

00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:06.900
statistical anomalies and direct voter affidavit

00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:09.460
contradictions. Grounded in court filings and

00:44:09.460 --> 00:44:12.389
specific data points. Right. All the way to these

00:44:12.389 --> 00:44:15.030
broader, far more controversial narratives about

00:44:15.030 --> 00:44:17.510
potential systemic manipulation involving powerful

00:44:17.510 --> 00:44:20.590
companies, advanced technologies like AI and

00:44:20.590 --> 00:44:23.150
satellites, and high stakes geopolitical motives.

00:44:23.369 --> 00:44:26.130
A much wider, more speculative net. Definitely.

00:44:26.539 --> 00:44:28.820
Regardless of where you, the listener, stand

00:44:28.820 --> 00:44:31.039
on these various narratives, whether you find

00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:33.619
the Rockland specifics compelling or the broader

00:44:33.619 --> 00:44:36.139
claims plausible or completely outlandish, the

00:44:36.139 --> 00:44:38.300
underlying questions remain. Questions about

00:44:38.300 --> 00:44:40.320
election integrity, about data verification,

00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:42.539
about the transparency and trustworthiness of

00:44:42.539 --> 00:44:45.239
the complex systems we rely upon, they remain

00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.460
incredibly important, don't they? Absolutely

00:44:47.460 --> 00:44:49.980
crucial questions. And for you, our listener,

00:44:50.219 --> 00:44:52.840
Someone who likely works with complex systems

00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.619
where the smallest detail, the slightest anomaly,

00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:58.820
can have massive implications. While the concept

00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:01.599
of vigilance, of scrutiny, of demanding verification,

00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.980
it's not just academic, is it? It's fundamental

00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:08.179
to ensuring trust and functionality in any critical

00:45:08.179 --> 00:45:10.699
system. It really is. This Meteorology Matters

00:45:10.699 --> 00:45:13.360
podcast has, we certainly hope, given you much

00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.880
to consider as you reflect on the reliability

00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:18.659
of the data that underpins so much of our modern

00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:21.139
society. Indeed. I think the fundamental lesson

00:45:21.139 --> 00:45:23.599
here, whether we're talking about analyzing atmospheric

00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.500
pressure systems for tracking hurricanes or scrutinizing

00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:28.360
electoral processes for accurate vote counts,

00:45:28.780 --> 00:45:31.960
is really the same. Complex systems demand absolute

00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:35.019
transparency and unwavering verifiability. Full

00:45:35.019 --> 00:45:37.619
stop. Transparency and verifiability. Right.

00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:40.320
When unexpected data patterns emerge, when things

00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.960
look highly unlikely or contradict direct observation,

00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.900
it's not just about the final outcome. It's about

00:45:46.900 --> 00:45:49.019
the integrity of the process that produced that

00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:52.139
outcome. And this raises, I think, an important,

00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.300
maybe even provocative question for all of us

00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:57.639
to consider. If questions of this magnitude can

00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:59.920
arise about something as fundamental as our electoral

00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:02.480
counts, something we assume should be straightforward.

00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:05.619
What other hidden vulnerabilities might exist

00:46:05.619 --> 00:46:08.280
in the vast, complex, interconnected technical

00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.760
and data systems that underpin almost every aspect

00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:13.139
of our modern world? Where else might the data

00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:16.039
not be telling the full story? That is a powerful

00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.340
thought and maybe a slightly unsettling one to

00:46:18.340 --> 00:46:20.679
leave you with as you go about your day. Thank

00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.239
you so much for joining us on this deep dive

00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:25.980
from the Meteorology Matters podcast. For more

00:46:25.980 --> 00:46:28.619
deep dives into complex topics that matter, please

00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:30.820
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00:46:33.619 --> 00:46:36.480
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00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.079
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00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:43.539
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We look forward to exploring more complex systems

00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:48.340
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