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OK, so today we're diving into some... really

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troubling stuff, things that could seriously

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mess with our ability to understand and prepare

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for like severe weather, you know, environmental

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challenges. Yeah. We're going to be looking at

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a whole bunch of recent actions that when you

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look at them all together, paint a really disturbing

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picture, something we're calling Trump Nazi bullshit.

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Yeah. Yeah. Nazi bullshit. Absolutely. We're

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going to look at weakened protections for migratory

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birds. Right. We're going to see the. disappearance

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of a super important tool that was designed to

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predict future climate risks. And we're going

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to look at major upheaval within FEMA, the Federal

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Emergency Management Agency, the agency that's

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tasked with disaster response. And then on top

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of all that, we're also going to look at potential

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threats to NUA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric

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Administration. Our goal today on Meteorology

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Matters is to kind of pull out the really important

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information from all of this to connect the dots,

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so you, the listener, really understand what's

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at stake here. All right, so let's unpack this

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Trump -Nazi bullshit. Let's start with these

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weakened protections for migratory birds. OK.

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So what's really interesting here is the Interior

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Department, they suspended like 20 legal opinions

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that were put in place during the Biden administration.

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One of these opinions is really important because

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it held companies legally responsible. Their

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industrial activities like oil and gas drilling,

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wind energy production, even things like mining

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and construction, if those things accidentally

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led to the deaths of migratory birds. We're talking

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about a lot of different species here, from ducks

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and cranes to pelicans and owls. And so this

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legal term, incidental take, is what they call

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it. It refers to the unintentional killing of

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these birds. That happens as a result of these

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otherwise lawful activities. OK, so what does

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the suspension actually mean? I mean, what does

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it mean for these birds? What does it mean for

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the environment? Well, basically what it means

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is that the Fish and Wildlife Service, they might

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not take any enforcement action against these

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private companies if they unintentionally kill

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these birds. And conservationists are really

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worried about this because North American bird

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populations have already dropped almost 30 %

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since 1970. While industrial deaths aren't the

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main reason for this decline, these protections

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that we had in place, they did help prevent more

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deaths. The key takeaway here is weakening these

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regulations could really have direct ecological

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repercussions, and it might even speed up the

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decline of these bird species that are already

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vulnerable. It's interesting, you know, the oil

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and gas industry? They seem to support this move.

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They're saying they want common sense policies

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that both protect wildlife and support American

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energy dominance. But isn't there kind of a conflict

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there? I mean, when they talk about common sense,

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aren't they actually putting short -term economic

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gains ahead of potential environmental damage?

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Yeah, that's a really good point. And the way

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the Migratory Bird Treaty Act that goes all the

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way back to 1918. Wow. The way they interpret

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this incidental take thing has been a big issue

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for a long time. And different administrations

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have had different views on it. During Trump's

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first term, there was this legal opinion that

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said accidental killings weren't prohibited,

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but then a federal judge actually struck that

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down. Then Biden's administration reversed that,

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and now Trump, he suspended Biden's reversal.

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So it's been this real back and forth. It has

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real financial and ecological consequences. You

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know, I was reading that if this current view,

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the one that's in place now, had been in place

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during the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, BP might

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not have had to pay about $100 million in fines.

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And that money was used for bird conservation.

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That's a lot of money. That's huge. It really

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shows you how much of a financial impact these

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changes in regulations can have. It really does.

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And it highlights how much these legal interpretations

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matter, both for the environment and financially.

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Absolutely. OK, so now this weakening of environmental

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protection seems to be happening in another area,

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too. And it's pretty disturbing. It's what's

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going on with FEMA. the Federal Emergency Management

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Agency. Yeah, FEMA. This is another part of this

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Trump Nazi bullshit we're seeing. This sounds

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really bad. I mean, we're hearing that the Homeland

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Security Secretary wants to get rid of FEMA entirely.

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Yeah. And that the agency is already a mess.

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What's going on there? Well, we're hearing from

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multiple FEMA officials that disaster assistance

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has stalled, grant money has stalled, and they're

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even having trouble hiring people. Really? Yeah.

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And there was even a meeting with top officials

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from FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security.

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Okay. They were discussing ways to quickly dismantle

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FEMA, like even faster than this FEMA review

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council that was recently set up. So the important

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thing here isn't just the delays. But what happens

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to all that knowledge FEMA has built up over

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the years? Yeah. I mean, if they get rid of all

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the experienced people, how are they going to

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learn from past disasters? Right, exactly. This

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sounds incredibly disruptive, especially with

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hurricane season starting so soon. Yeah, June

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1st. We need FEMA to be ready for that. Yeah,

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absolutely. And we're hearing reports that hurricane

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preparedness plans are on hold right now. On

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hold. Yeah, which is, you know. Really concerning.

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Yeah. And to make matters worse, there's this

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new hiring process where Secretary Noem's team

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has to personally approve renewals for a lot

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of FEMA's workforce. Yeah. Like a lot of the

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public facing roles, the people who are absolutely

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essential for disaster response. Right. You know,

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the people who verify damage, who run the recovery

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centers and help victims register for aid. Right.

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Those are the people on the front line. Exactly.

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These core and reservist employees, they make

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up something like 74 % of FEMA's workforce. Wow.

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So if their renewals are delayed, it'll have

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a huge impact on FEMA's ability to respond effectively

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to a disaster. Yeah. I mean, if their renewals

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are stalled and hurricane season is about to

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start, it's like we're purposely making ourselves

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more vulnerable to these disasters. Yeah. I mean,

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that's a good way to put it. And there are also

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these reports that over $100 billion in grant

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money and disaster assistance is frozen. What?

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Yeah, they're waiting for guidance on some of

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Trump's executive orders about immigration funding.

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I see. And even though they've reportedly gotten

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that guidance recently, it's still not clear

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when they're actually going to release that money.

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Right. So this is affecting states, local governments,

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even nonprofits like fire departments. They all

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rely on this money. It's just another example

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of how these administrative actions can have

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a ripple effect. Yeah. You know, with some pretty

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bad real world consequences. And it gets even

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worse, right? I mean, I've heard that FEMA employees

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are getting fired because they supposedly went

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around their bosses to approve grant payments.

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Yeah, that's right. That's got to be creating

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a lot of fear in the agency. It is. People are

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worried about getting in trouble for making payments

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that could be misinterpreted. Right. And on top

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of all that, there's a hiring freeze. Really?

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And there's even a plan to cut down FEMA's workforce

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by combining different functions and shifting

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some responsibilities to the states. So they're

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shrinking FEMA at a time when we really need

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them to be strong. Exactly. It's like they're

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setting them up to fail. OK. So then there's

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this whole thing with the climate change risk

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tool that FEMA had. Right. This was supposed

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to be a way to understand future threats. Right.

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And it seems like it's another piece of this

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Trump Nazi bullshit. It is. So FEMA developed

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this tool. They called it the Future Risk Index.

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And it gave projections of how much money counties

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would lose each year because of extreme weather

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events. OK. We're talking about things like extreme

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heat, coastal flooding, wildfires, hurricanes,

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drought, all that. I see. It even had a risk

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rating for each county. And it used data. from

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all over the federal government, like historical

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weather data and climate projections. So this

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sounds like it was really valuable for local

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governments. Yeah, they could use it to plan

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and prepare for the future. So why did they get

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rid of it? What does that tell us about how they

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view climate change? Well, they deleted the tool

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after Trump came back. Really? And before that...

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They tried to downplay the whole climate angle.

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How so? Well, they changed the name. They got

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rid of anything about emission scenarios, stuff

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like that. Interesting. And one person who worked

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on the project said there was a real culture

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of fear at FEMA about anything related to climate

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change. Wow. People were afraid of getting in

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trouble if they worked on those issues. So they're

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basically trying to ignore the fact that the

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climate is changing. Yeah, it seems that way

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so they got rid of this important tool just because

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they didn't like what it was telling them pretty

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much But the good news is that the Guardian was

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able to recreate the tool using the data that

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was still available Okay, so the information

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is still out there. Yeah, and what it shows is

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that if we don't do something about emissions

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these climate Driven events are gonna get a lot

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worse, right? By the middle of the century, counties

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in New Jersey, New York, and Texas could have

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the biggest risks from coastal flooding, while

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places like Las Vegas, Dallas, and St. Louis

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would be hit hardest by extreme heat. Wow. Wildfires

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are gonna be a huge problem in parts of California,

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and Florida's gonna be dealing with a lot of

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hurricanes. So it sounds like things are gonna

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get pretty bad. Yeah, and the financial costs

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are gonna be huge, too. Some counties could be

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looking at annual losses of $191 million or more.

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That's a lot of money. It is. And it really shows

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how expensive climate change is going to be.

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OK, so now let's talk about the National Oceanic

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and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA. NOAA,

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OK. They're in charge of weather forecasting

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and climate monitoring. And they're also facing

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some serious challenges because of this Trump

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-Nazi bullshit. So what's going on at NOAA? How

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are they being affected by all this? Well, apparently

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there's this new rule that says the Commerce

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Chief has to personally approve any contracts

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or extensions that are over $100 ,000. Wow. It

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sounds like a small thing, but it's really messing

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things up in NOAA. How so? I mean, what kind

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of problems are we seeing and how is it affecting

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their work? Well, contractors all over the country

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are being affected because there are huge delays

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in getting contracts signed off. Oh, wow. Some

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contracts have even expired or been canceled

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because the review process takes so long. Really?

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Yeah, and people are worried that even really

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important contracts, ones that have already been

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awarded, might get canceled or changed based

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on the commerce chief's personal... opinions.

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So it's not about what Noah needs, it's about

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what this one person thinks. Pretty much yeah.

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And how many contracts are we talking about here?

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Dozens of them are just sitting there waiting

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for approval. Wow. It's a huge bottleneck that's

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preventing Noah from doing its job. So this is

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affecting the really important work that NOAA

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does, like forecasting the weather and monitoring

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the climate. Exactly. It's making everything

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much less efficient. And it could even be dangerous.

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For example, the National Weather Service almost

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lost its ability to process data from satellites

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and weather stations in real time. What? Yeah,

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because they had to wait for a contract extension

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for the software that they use in all the forecast

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offices around the country. What software is

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that? It's called AWIPS. And they managed to

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get a last -minute extension, but it really shook

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people up. Yeah, but... I mean, they need to

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be able to process that data quickly to feed

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the weather models and spot storms as they develop.

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Right, of course. Any delays could mean that...

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people don't get warnings in time. That's scary,

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the idea that we might not get warnings about

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severe weather because of some bureaucratic mess.

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And this isn't the only example. OK. Other NOAA

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contracts, like the ones for the people who operate

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the weather satellites, have also been stuck

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in this approval process. Really? And it's led

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to layoffs at some of the contractor companies.

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Even basic things like facility services at NOAA

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headquarters have been suspended because of contract

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issues. Wow, so this is really affecting the

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basic operations of NOAA. It really is. And former

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NOAA Administrator Rick Spinrad, he called the

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whole thing outrageously inefficient. Boy, yeah.

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And he's worried that the people who are reviewing

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these contract recommendations are political

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appointees who don't actually know anything about

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the technical side of things. That's a problem.

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Yeah, it makes it seem like NOAA's mission Being

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eroded. Yeah, and all of this is affecting the

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organizations that Noah funds to do research

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Which could mean that our storm track and intensity

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forecasts become less accurate Oh and even really

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big things like buying new hurricane hunter aircraft

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and upgrading IT systems all have to go through

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this same approval process now. So it's like

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they're trying to slow NOAA down at every turn.

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Pretty much, yeah. And I've also heard about

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potential staff cuts at NOAA. Yeah, NOAA recently

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laid off about 800 probationary employees. Really?

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Most of them were rehired and put on administrative

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leave, but they're planning more cuts. That doesn't

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sound good. No. And experts are worried that

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all of this, the contract delays and the staff

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cuts is going to make it a lot harder for NOAA

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to collect the data we need and issue timely

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warnings. Right. Some people are even worried

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that the National Weather Service might be privatized

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or downsized. That would be a huge change. Yeah.

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And some argue that it would upset the balance

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between the government, universities and private

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companies in the weather enterprise. Yeah, that

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makes sense. And what about the hurricane hunter

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flights? Yeah, those are really important. They

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provide data that's crucial for forecasting hurricanes.

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Exactly. And experts are worried that these layoffs

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at NOAA could actually ground... some of those

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flights. So we could lose valuable data that

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helps us predict hurricanes more accurately.

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Yeah, it's a real concern. Is anyone pushing

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back against this? Yeah, at least one senator

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has asked the Commerce Department for more information

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about these cuts. So there's definitely some

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concern in Congress. So as we can see, this Trump

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Nazi bullshit is a really broad problem. Yeah,

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it's affecting the environment, our safety during

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natural disasters and our ability to understand

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and prepare for severe weather. Exactly. They're

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weakening protections for migratory birds. They're

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basically ignoring climate change by getting

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rid of data. And they're undermining FEMA and

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NOAA. These are the agencies that are supposed

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to be protecting us. It's all connected. So what

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does this mean for you, the listener? It means

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the natural world could be less protected. It

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means we might not be able to respond to disasters

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as effectively. And it means we might not understand

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the threats from climate change as well. Right.

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And all of this could have a real impact on your

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life. So what can we do about it? Well, staying

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informed is a good first step. OK. You can follow

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meteorologist Rob Jones on Instagram, TikTok

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and YouTube to learn more about these issues

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and stay up to date on what's happening. Right.

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He's got a lot of great information and he talks

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about these things in more detail on his Meteorology

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Matters playlist. So here's something to think

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about. What happens when the agencies we rely

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on to understand and respond to the world around

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us? What happens when those agencies are weakened?

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Yeah. It's something we all need to consider

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because it affects everyone. It does.
