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2025 is really throwing us some curveballs, huh?

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Every time I open the news, it's like, bam,

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another big environmental policy change.

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It's a, well, frankly, it's a lot to keep up with.

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You can say that again.

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But, you know, that's why we're here.

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Right.

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To help make sense of it all,

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we'll break it down and give you the real deal

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on what's going on.

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So let's dive right in, shall we?

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Let's do it.

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All right, so the big story, obviously,

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is President Trump's second term.

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And wow, the impact on environmental policy

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has been immediate, like seriously immediate

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and honestly pretty huge.

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Yeah, you're telling me we're barely a month in

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and already it's just been a nonstop flurry

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of executive orders.

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And it's pretty clear what the goal is, right?

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They're shifting focus hard away

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from all those big climate change initiatives

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and environmental justice stuff

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that the last administration was pushing.

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Yeah, I mean, even just in these first few weeks,

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it's been a whirlwind, right?

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Halting communications at the EPA,

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pulling out of the Paris Agreement.

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Heck, they even took down climate change

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from the EPA website.

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Right, it's been a lot.

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And I think the speed at which they're rolling

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these changes out is definitely raising some eyebrows.

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And yeah, not to mention opening up a whole can of worms

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when it comes to potential legal battles.

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Definitely a lot to unpack there.

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So let's dig into that a bit.

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What are your thoughts on the long-term impacts

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of all this and what are we actually looking at here?

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Well, I think the implications are pretty major,

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to be honest with you.

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Look at the limitations on research funding, for example.

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It's not just about the money.

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It sends a pretty strong message

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about where this administration stands

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when it comes to scientific inquiry.

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It's just not valued the same way it has been.

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And well, that could have a chilling effect

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on progress across the board.

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Yeah, I see what you mean.

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And then there's this whole 10 to one

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deregulation initiative.

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It sounds kind of catchy at first,

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but in practice, it means for every new regulation

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an agency wants, they gotta get rid of 10 old ones.

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I mean, doesn't that just seem like

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setting ourselves up for trouble?

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Oh, absolutely.

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The biggest risk is that industries

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will see this deregulation push and kind of jump the gun,

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make changes before anything is really official.

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And that could lead to a whole mess

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of compliance issues down the road.

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We're already seeing the EPA asking for abeyances

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in environmental lawsuits left and right.

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It's definitely a shift in priorities.

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It's been unsettling, for sure.

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Especially when you think about

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how all this could impact those green initiatives

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that were really starting to gain some traction.

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The ones from the bipartisan infrastructure law

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and the Inflation Reduction Act.

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What happens to all that progress now

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with the funding freezes?

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Well, those projects were all about addressing

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those big infrastructure needs,

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but doing it in a way that also promotes sustainability,

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right?

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This freeze, there's a major wrench in all of that.

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Could stall progress indefinitely

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and really discourage clean energy investment?

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Okay, so we've got funding cuts,

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a shift away from environmental justice

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and this big push for deregulation.

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And on top of all that, there's this move

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to speed up permitting for projects

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that are considered essential for national security

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or the economy.

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But didn't the US government accountability office

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express some concerns about transparency with all that?

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Oh yeah, they definitely raised some red flags.

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And it makes sense, right?

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Especially when you're talking about fast tracking projects

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that could have big environmental impacts.

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There's a real worry that we're gonna see

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economic interest being put ahead

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of environmental protection.

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And that's a tough situation to navigate.

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Just look at the decision to halt Clean Water Act

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permitting for wind and solar projects

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while they're pushing fossil fuel projects through.

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That's a pretty clear example of the conflict we're facing.

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It feels like we're taking one step forward

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and then like 10 steps back.

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And speaking of steps back,

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remember that Letter Power Utilities

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sent to Administrator Zeldin,

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it's been all over the news.

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They're basically calling for a rollback

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of all those environmental regulations

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that the Biden administration put in place.

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Yeah, that letter really says a lot about

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where the industry's priorities are

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under this new administration.

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They're seeing this as their chance

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to push for less regulation.

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But the big question is what's the trade-off?

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Will economic growth come at the cost

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of environmental protection?

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That's what we need to be asking.

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And the one that really jumped out at me

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was the decision to just hit pause

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on those chemical disaster pretensions.

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I mean, the saying is for reassessment,

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but it's making a lot of environmental advocates nervous.

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And for good reason, right?

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I mean, the potential risk to communities is huge.

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It all comes back to this deregulation theme.

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We've talked about it a lot today, but it's important.

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It seems like this administration

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is laser focused on the economy.

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And the question is at what cost?

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Are we willing to put economic growth

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ahead of protecting the environment,

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ahead of people's health and safety?

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It's a tough question, but we need to be asking it.

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I couldn't agree more.

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And before we go any further,

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I want to remind everyone to follow meteorologist Rob Jones.

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You can find him on Instagram as meteorologist,

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on TikTok as TV meteorologist,

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and on YouTube, just search for Rob Jones' Hurricane.

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He's got great content over there.

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And you can also find the

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Meteorology Matters podcast playlist.

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So yeah, be sure to check that out.

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Definitely worth a follow.

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All right, so we're talking about

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chemical disaster protections being put on hold,

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and it just feels like a risky move.

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It's complicated, no doubt about it.

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I mean, we have to consider the economic side of things,

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but we can't just ignore the potential consequences

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for public health, you know?

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It's about finding that balance between economic growth

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and protecting the environment.

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That's the challenge.

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It's a tight rope walk, for sure,

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and the stakes are high.

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Finding that balance,

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it's going to take careful thought

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and honest conversations.

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That's what we need right now.

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You're right.

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It's easier said than done though, isn't it?

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Especially with the way things are politically.

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It definitely is,

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but that doesn't make it any less important.

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We have to try to find that balance for the planet,

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for future generations.

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I'm with you on that.

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let's just recap what we've covered so far.

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We've seen a pretty dramatic shift in environmental policies

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since President Trump came back,

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and that's led to a wave of legal challenges.

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is a real concern right now,

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and with that comes a whole lot of worry

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about what it all means for protecting the environment.

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It seems like the focus is on economic interests

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above all else,

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and that's raising some serious red flags

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for scientists and environmental advocates.

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and it's definitely one worth watching closely.

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to discuss some more of the specifics of all this,

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so stay tuned.

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It really is a tangled web we're dealing with here.

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The choices being made,

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now they have the potential to really shake things up

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for environmental science as a whole,

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and not to mention its role in policy going forward.

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It's the big question everyone's asking, right?

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What does the future hold?

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And there's another piece of this puzzle

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that I think has a lot of folks confused.

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All those dismissals at the EPA,

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specifically the folks working on environmental justice

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initiatives.

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What's the story there?

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we talked about earlier,

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the one that basically aimed to shut down

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all those DEI initiatives across the government.

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The wording of that order specifically called out

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those offices and positions

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that were focused on environmental justice.

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So in essence, it really just dismantled

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a key part of the EPA.

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So it's not just about shifting priorities

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or making budget cuts.

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They're actually closing down entire departments

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dedicated to environmental justice.

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That's exactly what's happening.

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for communities that are already dealing with more

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than their fair share of pollution

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and environmental hazards.

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that tool the EPA uses to identify

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those vulnerable communities,

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it's just gone, vanished from their website.

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It's almost like they're trying to erase

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those communities from the conversation.

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It's hard to hear that and not feel like

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we're taking a giant step backward.

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Like we're undoing decades of progress

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and not just in environmental protection,

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but in social equity too.

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I understand that feeling.

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is another perfect example.

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It's like they're hitting the pause button

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on all those regulations that were specifically designed

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to prevent those terrible accidents at chemical plants.

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I mean, those regulations were put in place for a reason

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to protect workers and communities

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from those chemical releases.

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But this administration seems to see those regulations

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as a burden on industry,

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an obstacle to economic growth.

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They're pushing for a much more industry friendly approach,

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which understandably raises concerns

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about potential conflicts of interest.

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It's a tough balance to strike, no doubt about it.

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But when economic interests are consistently put ahead

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of public health and safety,

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it just feels like we're on a slippery slope.

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I agree with you.

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And that's exactly why this whole reassessment

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of chemical disaster protections is so concerning.

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It's a clear sign that they're willing to prioritize

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industry profits over the well-being of communities.

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It's definitely a disturbing trend.

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And it leaves us with so many unanswered questions.

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Like, what's next?

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What other environmental protections are they gonna target?

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That's the million dollar question, isn't it?

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And it's creating a lot of anxiety,

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not just among scientists and environmental advocates,

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but in communities all across the country.

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The truth is the regulatory landscape

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is changing so quickly right now

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that the potential consequences are just massive.

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It's like we're standing on shaky ground.

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There's so much uncertainty about what the future holds

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for environmental science and the policies

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that are supposed to be based on it.

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We're definitely at a crossroads.

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The decisions made in the next few months,

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even the next few years, they're gonna have a huge impact,

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not just on the health of the planet,

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but on the well-being of generations to come.

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It's a critical moment in time,

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and it feels more important than ever

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to stay informed and stay engaged.

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We have to hold our leaders accountable.

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We have to demand that they prioritize science and data

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when they're making these decisions.

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I wholeheartedly agree.

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We can't afford to be complacent.

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The stakes are just too high.

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That's a great point.

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You know, earlier we were talking about how

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all of this is impacting the scientific community.

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We're seeing funding freezes, gag orders on communication,

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and just this general sense of unease among researchers.

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Can you tell us a little more about that?

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Sure, this chilling effect on scientific research,

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it's impossible to ignore.

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The funding cuts the restrictions on communication,

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the fact that climate change is no longer

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being treated as a priority,

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it all sends a very clear message.

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Science is just not valued the way it once was.

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It's almost like they're trying to silence

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the very people who are warning us about climate change

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and all these other environmental threats.

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There's definitely a sense that this administration

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is more interested in pushing their own agenda

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than they are in supporting objective scientific inquiry,

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and that's incredibly damaging,

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not just to the scientific community, but to all of us.

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Because we need science.

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We need solid data to make good policy decisions.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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If we don't have reliable information

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and evidence-based analysis,

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it's like we're flying blind.

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Exactly.

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Science is the foundation for good policy making,

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especially when it comes to these complex issues

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like climate change and environmental protection.

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When you undermine science,

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you're undermining our ability

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to make smart decisions about the future.

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It feels like we're on a dangerous path,

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and it's really disheartening

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to see science being sidelined like this.

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It's a disservice not only to the scientific community,

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but to the American people and to the planet.

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We need to reaffirm the value of science.

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We need to make sure it continues to play a central role

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in shaping environmental policy.

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Well said.

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So before we dive into how these policy shifts

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are impacting different sectors,

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let's take a quick moment to hear a word from our sponsors.

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We'll be right back with more insights

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on this ever-changing environmental landscape.

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And we're back.

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All right, so we've talked about the big picture,

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but now I think it's time to get a little more specific.

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You know, really zoom in on how these policy changes

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are playing out in different sectors.

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Absolutely, I think that's a great idea.

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Okay, so let's start with energy.

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This whole energy dominance thing

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that this administration keeps talking about,

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it seems like it's coming at the expense of renewable energy.

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What are your thoughts on that?

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Well, it's tough to argue with that.

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I mean, we already talked about how they're putting the brakes

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on Clean Water Act,

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permitting for those wind and solar projects

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while they're fast-tracking fossil fuel projects.

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It's a pretty clear sign of where their priorities lie,

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traditional energy sources over cleaner alternatives.

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And it just seems like it goes against everything

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we're hearing about the need to shift away from fossil fuels

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if we're serious about tackling climate change.

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It feels like we're going in the wrong direction.

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It's definitely a worrying trend.

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This idea of unleashing American energy,

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it might sound appealing to some,

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but it doesn't really address the urgency

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of moving towards a more sustainable energy future.

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It feels very short-sighted.

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Like we're missing this huge opportunity

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to invest in clean energy technologies,

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which could not only create jobs and help the economy,

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but also protect the environment.

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So win-win.

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I completely agree.

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The longer we wait to make this transition,

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the harder and more expensive it's gonna be.

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And we're already seeing those climate change impacts,

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those extreme weather events, rising sea levels.

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We can't just bury our heads in the sand.

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Will said.

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Okay, so we'll shift gears a bit

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and talk about another sector

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that's being hit hard by these policy changes.

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Public health.

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Yeah, this whole rollback of chemical disaster protections,

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that's a major red flag when it comes to public health.

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Those regulations are there

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to prevent those catastrophic accidents

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that could release all kinds of harmful chemicals

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into the environment, you know, the air, the water, the soil,

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the kind of accidents that could put people's health at risk.

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It's a frightening thought.

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I mean, we've seen what can happen

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when those accidents occur

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and the consequences are devastating.

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Think about the Bhopal disaster in India

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or Chernobyl, the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

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Those are just a few examples of what can happen

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when safety regulations are ignored or weakened.

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It can be a catastrophe for both people and the environment.

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We can't afford to make those same mistakes.

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We need those strong regulations

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to make sure that industries

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are operating safely and responsibly.

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We can't sacrifice public health just for economic gain.

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I couldn't agree more.

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We need to let the precautionary principle guide our decisions.

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It's always better to be safe than sorry, you know,

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protect public health rather than gamble with people's lives.

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It comes down to values, doesn't it?

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Are we gonna put profits ahead of people?

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Short-term gains ahead of long-term sustainability.

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These are the questions we need to be asking as a society.

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And the answers to those questions

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are gonna shape the kind of future we create,

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not just for ourselves,

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but for our children and grandchildren.

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It's a sobering thought,

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but it should also be a call to action.

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I like that, a call to action.

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We can't just sit back and watch

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while science gets pushed aside

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and environmental protections are rolled back.

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We have to speak up,

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get involved in the political process,

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demand better from our leaders.

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We have to hold them accountable.

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We have to make sure they're making decisions

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that are based on science.

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You know, decisions that are guided by ethical principles

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and that are truly focused on creating a just

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and sustainable future for everyone.

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That's a great point.

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So I think that's a good place to wrap things up.

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It's been a tough conversation for sure,

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but it's an important one.

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I hope everyone listening walks away

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feeling more informed and more empowered

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to get involved in these issues.

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Me too, knowledge is power,

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understanding all this environmental science

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and policy stuff,

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that's the first step in making a difference.

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So I hope everyone listening will continue to stay informed,

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stay engaged and never stop asking questions.

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Absolutely.

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And before we go,

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we just wanna remind everyone

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to follow meteorologist Rob Jones.

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He's a fantastic resource

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when it comes to weather and climate.

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You can find him on Instagram at meteorologist,

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tiktok at TV meteorologist.

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And on YouTube, just search for Rob Jones' hurricane

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and you'll find him.

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Oh, and don't forget to check out

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his Meteorology Matters podcast playlist while you're there.

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Yeah, he's great.

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So thanks for listening everyone.

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And until next time, stay curious, stay informed

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and remember the future of our planet is in our hands.

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Let's work together to make it a good one.

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That's a wrap on this episode of Meteorology Matters.

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See you next time.