1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,920 Welcome back to Meteorology Matters, everybody. 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:03,000 I'm your host, Rob Jones. 3 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:03,840 Glad to be here. 4 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,320 As always, I'm excited to dig into some interesting weather 5 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,360 and science stuff with you. 6 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,360 Always interesting. 7 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,040 But first, real quick, gotta remind you guys, 8 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:10,880 follow me on Instagram. 9 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,240 It's meteorologist. 10 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:13,080 You got it. 11 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,880 On Teahawk, I'm TV meteorologist. 12 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:15,720 Okay. 13 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,000 And YouTube, just search for Rob Jones' hurricane 14 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,600 and you'll find the Meteorology Matters playlist. 15 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:22,440 Gotcha. 16 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,440 All kinds of cool stuff there, 17 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,120 like behind the scenes of weather forecasting, 18 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,600 explanations of the latest meteorological events. 19 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,440 Cool, cool. 20 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,800 All right, so you know how we usually, 21 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,800 you know, focus on the pure science of weather here 22 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,040 on meteorology matters. 23 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,880 Right. 24 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,360 Well, today, we're gonna explore 25 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,400 how some recent political events, 26 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,520 you know, series of executive orders, 27 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,680 are kind of creating a whirlwind of impacts 28 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,440 across all different kinds of scientific fields 29 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,280 and even sparking some protests. 30 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,120 Wow. 31 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,480 It's a little different for our usual stuff, 32 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:54,160 but it highlights how interconnected science 33 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,520 and politics really are. 34 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,360 Absolutely. 35 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,760 It's easy to think that those two worlds are separate, 36 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,880 but the truth is decisions made in government, 37 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,520 they have a huge ripple effect on research, funding, 38 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,600 even the lives of individual scientists. 39 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Exactly. 40 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:08,280 And what's really interesting 41 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,480 is how these executive orders are impacting 42 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,160 areas you might not expect, 43 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,040 you know, areas that seem really far removed 44 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,160 from the political arena. 45 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,360 Oh yeah, absolutely. 46 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,920 Why don't we start with something close to home 47 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:19,800 for our listeners? 48 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,400 The potential impact on weather forecasting. 49 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:23,240 Right. 50 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,720 You know, the National Oceanic Atmosphere Administration. 51 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,680 NOAA plays a critical role in keeping us all informed 52 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,040 about what's happening in the skies above us. 53 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:31,880 Yeah. 54 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,720 Right, from predicting summer thunderstorms 55 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,480 to tracking hurricanes. 56 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,520 You know, they're the unsun heroes of meteorology. 57 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,360 They really are. 58 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,200 They really are. 59 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,720 But here's the thing, these executive orders, 60 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,520 well, they could lead to significant staff reductions 61 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:46,360 at NOAA. 62 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,200 Oh wow. 63 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,160 Maybe even a 10% cut. 64 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Wow. 65 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:49,960 You know, to give you some perspective, 66 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,280 that could mean losing around 1,000 jobs. 67 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,640 That's pretty significant, 68 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,680 especially for a relatively small agency like NOAA. 69 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,040 I mean, that kind of cut. 70 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,920 That could really have an impact on its ability 71 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:00,880 to do its job. 72 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:01,720 Yeah. 73 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,920 I think one area that's a real concern 74 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,440 is the National Weather Service. 75 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,280 Yeah. 76 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,480 Which is, as you know, already facing staff switches. 77 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,640 I mean, think about it. 78 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:10,960 These cuts, it could mean longer wait times 79 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,680 for critical weather information, 80 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,080 especially during, you know, severe weather events. 81 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,200 That is a scary thought. 82 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,040 Yeah. 83 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,040 And it raises the question, will there be any exemptions, 84 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,200 you know, to protect those weather service meteorologists? 85 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,200 It's a good question. 86 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,000 I mean, public safety's on the line. 87 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,960 But it's not just weather forecasting, is it? 88 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,840 I mean, these executive orders, 89 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,240 they have implications that extend 90 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,360 way beyond meteorology, right? 91 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,400 Reaching into a whole bunch of scientific fields. 92 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,160 Yeah, it's like a domino effect. 93 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,040 You know, you look at the National Science Foundation, 94 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,480 the NSF, they're bracing for potentially massive cuts, 95 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,160 both in staff and budget. 96 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,560 We could be talking about like a 25 to 50% reduction 97 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,840 of their workforce and their annual budget dropping 98 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,640 from $9 billion to just $3 billion. 99 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:56,960 Wow, those are huge numbers. 100 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,560 And it's not just about the numbers, is it? 101 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,080 I mean, we're talking about real world consequences. 102 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,320 You know, real people whose lives and careers 103 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,120 are being disrupted by this. 104 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,960 There's some pretty heartbreaking stories coming out. 105 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Absolutely, we've heard from a research encephalologist 106 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,520 at the US Department of Agriculture, 107 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,160 they were abruptly fired. 108 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,000 Wow. 109 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,880 From what they called their dream job. 110 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,280 Even though they were as get this, 111 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,920 being considered for a promotion, 112 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:22,040 can you imagine being so passionate about your work, 113 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,000 about contributing to something you believe in 114 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,400 and having it all ripped away? 115 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,240 Oh, that's devastating. 116 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,280 And you know, there's also a US Geological Survey postdoc. 117 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,280 He got let go. 118 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,240 He's scrambling to try to preserve all of his research data. 119 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,240 Oh no. 120 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,520 On invasive species. 121 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:37,360 Wow. 122 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,680 Research with major economic implications. 123 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,520 Yeah. 124 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,680 Years of meticulous work just poof gone. 125 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,440 It's a real blow, not just to the individual researchers, 126 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,280 but to scientific progress itself. 127 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,120 Totally. 128 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,440 And you know what, these stories, 129 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,360 they're just the tip of the iceberg. 130 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Highly trained medical professionals 131 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,040 at the NIH Clinical Center. 132 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,080 I mean, we're talking experienced physicians, nurses, 133 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,280 other essential staff, they were let go. 134 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,120 Really? 135 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,760 Potentially jeopardizing patient care 136 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:03,880 and research studies. 137 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:04,720 Wow. 138 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:05,560 It's incredible. 139 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,440 And it goes way beyond just the well-known institutions. 140 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,480 We heard from contractors at the CDC 141 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,520 who are working on epidemiology 142 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,800 and surveillance of cardiovascular disease. 143 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,720 And they were just boom, terminated. 144 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:16,560 Wow. 145 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,400 I mean, imagine the setback to public health initiatives 146 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:19,880 when you lose people like that. 147 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,600 And then there's the biologist 148 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,760 at the US Fish and Wildlife Service. 149 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,800 He was given seven days to move out of government housing 150 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,840 after being fired. 151 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:29,680 Wow. 152 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,080 It's a stark reminder of the real human cost 153 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,160 of these decisions. 154 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,880 Yeah, these stories are really sobering. 155 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,320 I mean, they really highlight the ripple effects 156 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,440 of these executive orders 157 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,720 across so many different areas of science. 158 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,920 It's a very complex and troubling situation. 159 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,440 I think it really brings up a lot of questions 160 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,360 about the role of science in society 161 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,040 and the impact that political decisions 162 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,400 can have on scientific progress. 163 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,240 Absolutely. 164 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,360 And we're just scratching the surface here. 165 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,680 I mean, there's another aspect of these executive orders 166 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,840 that has caused a lot of controversy, a lot of anger, 167 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:02,960 particularly within the scientific community. 168 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,880 And that is the targeting of diversity, equity, 169 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,240 and inclusion programs, DEI for short. 170 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,240 DEI, oh yeah, absolutely. 171 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,240 This is where things get really, really heated. 172 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,960 I mean, these orders, 173 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,120 they've just ignited a firestorm of debate. 174 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,200 And pushback, essentially, 175 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,560 is turn the scientific community 176 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,640 into a battleground of ideas 177 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,840 about what's acceptable and what's not 178 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:29,120 when it comes to promoting diversity and inclusion. 179 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,720 It really is fascinating to see 180 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,040 how these orders are forcing institutions to choose sides. 181 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,240 And it's leading to some pretty unexpected 182 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,120 and honestly unsettling consequences. 183 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,920 I mean, we've seen conferences canceled, 184 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,880 diversity offices suspended. 185 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:43,720 Wow. 186 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,200 DEI-related content just wiped off websites. 187 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,920 Like somebody's trying to erase years of progress. 188 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:49,880 It's unbelievable. 189 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,280 I mean, even NASA, the agency that put a man on the moon, 190 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:56,720 they were told to remove mentions of DEI, 191 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,560 Indigenous people, environmental justice, 192 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,520 women in leadership from their public websites. 193 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,760 I mean, it feels like a giant step backward. 194 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,240 It does, and the impact goes beyond words. 195 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,760 NASA's Here to Observe program, 196 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,120 it connected undergraduates 197 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,040 from underrepresented groups with scientists at NASA. 198 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,560 That got cut too. 199 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,720 Contracts for scientists involved in the program were canceled. 200 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,320 Just shutting the door on opportunities for young scientists 201 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:21,720 from diverse backgrounds. 202 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,560 That's hard to see any positive side to that. 203 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,000 And then there's Fermilab, their DEI office, 204 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,120 the women in engineering group, the LGBTQ plus group, 205 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,640 were all suspended or ordered to cease activities. 206 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,640 I mean, they even went so far as to delete 207 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,480 the LGBTQ plus groups entire mailing list. 208 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,320 Wow. 209 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,280 I mean, it really makes you wonder 210 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:42,520 if these orders are creating an environment 211 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,680 that's less welcoming, less inclusive. 212 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:45,680 Yeah, it really does. 213 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,800 But in the midst of all this turmoil, 214 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,320 there have been some institutions 215 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,720 that have stood their ground. 216 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,040 Resisting these directives, 217 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,760 they're reaffirming their commitment 218 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,360 to diversity and inclusion. 219 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,680 You're right, there are pockets of resistance emerging 220 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,000 and it is heartening to see. 221 00:06:59,000 --> 00:06:59,840 Absolutely. 222 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:02,520 Some institutions pushing back against these directives, 223 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,520 essentially saying, we're not gonna compromise on our values 224 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,400 even if it means facing consequences. 225 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,240 Exactly. 226 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,360 I mean, take a look at Mount Holyoke College. 227 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,080 It's a women's college and they made it crystal clear 228 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,320 that they're willing to give up federal contracts. 229 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,160 Wow. 230 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,920 If it means having to abandon their DEI principles, 231 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,360 I mean, they're essentially saying, 232 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,200 we're not gonna let funding dictate our commitment 233 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,160 to creating an inclusive environment. 234 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,520 It's a bold stance and it highlights 235 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,680 the difficult choices that institutions are facing. 236 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,160 I mean, they're having to weigh their commitment 237 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,920 to diversity and inclusion 238 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,120 against the potential of losing funding, 239 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,480 which can have a massive impact on their operations. 240 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,320 Absolutely. 241 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,960 And that kind of conflict, you know, 242 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,000 between funding and principles, 243 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,280 it brings us to another critical aspect of this whole situation, 244 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,560 the impact these executive orders are having 245 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,080 on research funding in general. 246 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,960 Right, because it's not just about who gets hired, 247 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,600 who gets fired, or what kind of language 248 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,320 is allowed on websites, right? 249 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,000 It's about the financial resources 250 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,320 that make scientific research possible 251 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,400 and how these actions are creating a domino effect 252 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,720 that could have lasting consequences. 253 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Yeah, and nowhere is this more apparent than with the NIH 254 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,840 and their decision to slash overhead payments for research. 255 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,520 I mean, this is sparked outrage, legal challenges. 256 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:15,360 Yeah, it's a huge deal. 257 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,600 We're talking about the NIH. 258 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,320 The powerhouse of medical research. 259 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,160 Exactly. 260 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,920 And they're saying, we're cutting the funds 261 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:22,800 that help keep your labs running 262 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,840 and pay the people who support your groundbreaking discoveries. 263 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,920 Yeah, like pulling the rug out from under their feet. 264 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:28,760 Exactly. 265 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,600 So to understand how big this decision is, 266 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,360 we need to look at what these overhead payments, 267 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,120 they also call them indirect costs, actually cover. 268 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,360 Yeah, I think we need to break this down 269 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,640 because when most people hear the word research, 270 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,080 they think about scientists and lab coats doing experiments. 271 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,200 They don't always consider the support system, 272 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:46,760 the behind the scenes work, 273 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,360 that makes all that research possible. 274 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Exactly. 275 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,240 Indirect costs cover a whole range of expenses, 276 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,600 things like keeping those laboratories up to date, 277 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,320 providing services for students, 278 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:57,920 covering all the administrative costs 279 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,440 that go with managing grants, 280 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,720 and of course, paying the salaries of the staff 281 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,640 who keep these research engines running. 282 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,880 Yeah, so it's not just about the scientists themselves, 283 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,160 it's about the whole ecosystem 284 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,640 that allows for scientific discoveries. 285 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,440 Exactly, and that ecosystem is in trouble right now. 286 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,320 The NIH is going to reduce the indirect cost rate 287 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,280 to a measly 15%. 288 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,440 So institutions are having to make tough choices 289 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,400 that could affect the future of research for a long time. 290 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,160 We're already seeing universities struggling 291 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,520 with potential layoffs, 292 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,600 having to pause clinical trials, 293 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,600 and research projects getting disrupted. 294 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:31,840 So it's a chain reaction, 295 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,880 basically jeopardizing the very foundation 296 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,120 of scientific research. 297 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,480 Exactly, and it's not just about the research, 298 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,680 what about tuition? 299 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:39,640 Right, tuition. 300 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,080 If universities have to figure out 301 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,000 how to make up for all this lost funding, 302 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,280 they might just have to raise tuition to fill the gap. 303 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,160 Yeah, and then students end up 304 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,920 footing the bill for decisions made in Washington. 305 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:50,960 It's really concerning, 306 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,160 so we've got researchers being let go, 307 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,720 vital programs shutting down, 308 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,200 institutions struggling to keep the lights on, 309 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,440 and now the possibility of tuition 310 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,560 increases looming over students. 311 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:03,040 It's kind of a bleak picture, isn't it? 312 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,400 It is, but you know, as we said before, 313 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,720 this isn't a done deal yet. 314 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,360 They're still pushback, they're still hope for change. 315 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,800 This decision hasn't gone unchallenged. 316 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,720 That's good to hear. 317 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,640 We're seeing a lot of different responses, 318 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,600 legal challenges, members of Congress 319 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,600 from both sides of the aisle are speaking up. 320 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,760 So it's not just scientists raising their voices, 321 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,360 it's lawmakers too. 322 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,760 They're starting to understand 323 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,400 the damage these cuts could do. 324 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,200 It's good that it's becoming a bigger conversation. 325 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,080 I think people are realizing that 326 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,360 science is not something that happens in a vacuum. 327 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,280 It's tied to our society, our economy, our daily lives. 328 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,720 You start pulling those threads 329 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,080 like these executive orders seem to be doing, 330 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,720 and the whole thing might unravel. 331 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:41,640 That's a great analogy. 332 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,920 It shows how these actions have consequences 333 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,200 that go well beyond the scientific community. 334 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,080 It affects the economy, our health, 335 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,760 and in the end, our future. 336 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,320 But before we get too bogged down 337 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,880 in all this doom and gloom, 338 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,560 let's shift gears a bit and talk about something 339 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,520 a little more, well, peculiar. 340 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,480 Let's talk about Elon Musk 341 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,440 and this thing called the Department of Government Efficiency. 342 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Dude. 343 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Dogue. 344 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,440 This is where things get a little interesting. 345 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,400 Yeah, this is a strange turn of events 346 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,680 that's really got people talking, 347 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:10,880 especially in the science world. 348 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,720 You've got Elon Musk, Mr. SpaceX, 349 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,080 now in charge of finding ways to cut government spending. 350 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,600 On the surface, it sounds fine. 351 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,600 Who doesn't want the government to be more efficient? 352 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,840 Right, but it's the potential consequences 353 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,240 that are making people uncomfortable. 354 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,120 We're talking about possible conflicts of interest, 355 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,080 worries about data security, 356 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,240 just a general unease about how this will all play out. 357 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:32,520 Right, and I think it's really important 358 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,120 to understand why these concerns are so widespread. 359 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,320 First of all, there's Elon Musk's connection to SpaceX, 360 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,240 a company that relies heavily on government contracts, 361 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,040 especially from NASA and you guessed it, NOAA. 362 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:44,880 Oh, wow. 363 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,160 Now he's the one reviewing the budgets and contracts 364 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,680 of those same agencies. 365 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:50,960 Like asking the Fox to guard the hen house. 366 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,520 And to add to that, there's the question of data access. 367 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:54,920 I mean, Musk now has access 368 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,360 to a ton of sensitive information. 369 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:58,200 Like what? 370 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,280 Like data on people who receive 371 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,200 federal research grants, contractors, 372 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,720 you name it, we're talking social security numbers, 373 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,800 tax returns, even details 374 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,440 about how grant money is paid out. 375 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,160 That's a lot of sensitive information 376 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,600 to be handing over to, well, let's not forget 377 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:13,760 the head of a private company. 378 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,800 Exactly, and it raises questions about data security 379 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,640 and potential conflicts of interest. 380 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,600 It's like giving someone the keys to the kingdom. 381 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,840 And who knows, they might decide to remodel the castle 382 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,320 to their liking without much thought 383 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,800 for the people already living there. 384 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,760 It's a scenario that's making a lot of people 385 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,760 in the scientific community very nervous. 386 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:31,600 Yeah. 387 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,840 And to add that to all these sudden 388 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,880 and seemingly random firings that have happened, 389 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,920 it creates this feeling of unease, 390 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,720 uncertainty about what's next. 391 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,640 Absolutely, there's no transparency, no clear plan. 392 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,120 It feels like decisions are being made impulsively 393 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,480 without thinking about the long-term effects. 394 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,160 That's never a good way to make policy, 395 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,680 especially when it comes to something as important as science. 396 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:56,400 But as they say, for every action, there's a reaction. 397 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,000 And in this case, the reaction is loud and clear. 398 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,960 The scientific community is not gonna just sit back and watch. 399 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,000 They're fighting back, protesting, 400 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,720 and making a stand for the importance of science. 401 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,680 It's really inspiring to see how everyone is coming together 402 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,120 to protect their work and the whole idea 403 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,360 of using evidence to make policy. 404 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,120 I agree, it's not just talk either. 405 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,040 They're taking action. 406 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,920 We're seeing the March for Science movement coming back. 407 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:20,760 Really? 408 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,800 It first appeared when we faced similar problems 409 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,560 during the previous administration. 410 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:27,720 These marches bring scientists and everyday people together 411 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,080 to advocate for science. 412 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,720 They're demanding that policymakers use evidence, 413 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,640 not ideology, to make decisions. 414 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,600 It's amazing to see scientists, students, everyone, 415 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,640 all united by their love for science 416 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,160 and their commitment to making sure 417 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,800 it has a voice in our future. 418 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,000 Science isn't just for scientists, it's for everyone. 419 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,240 It really is, and this is a multifaceted effort. 420 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,360 It's not just marches. 421 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,800 There are also legal challenges, advocacy work. 422 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,960 Unions and state attorneys general are filing lawsuits. 423 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,320 To try to stop the firings. 424 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,280 To stop the firings, and also to challenge the legality 425 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,440 of these executive orders. 426 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,160 So it's a two pronged attack. 427 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,600 Grassroots activism and legal action, 428 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,520 all aimed at pushing back and safeguarding 429 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:08,520 scientific research. 430 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,000 Exactly, and there's a very human side to this too. 431 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,280 Support groups are popping up. 432 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,800 They're formed by scientists who've been fired. 433 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,280 They offer help to those who are now jobless 434 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,480 and unsure of their future. 435 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,720 It's amazing to see how the scientific community 436 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,120 is supporting each other during these tough times. 437 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,040 They're sharing information, resources, legal advice. 438 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,560 It really shows that even when things are tough, 439 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,000 collaboration and support can shine through. 440 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,760 It really speaks to the resilience 441 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,480 of the scientific community. 442 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,920 These support groups aren't just about emotional support. 443 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,560 They're also exploring class action lawsuits. 444 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,120 To hold those responsible for these damaging actions 445 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:42,960 accountable. 446 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,400 So it's a David Goliath situation, but you know what? 447 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,280 Sometimes David wins. 448 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,600 And in this case, David has truth, evidence, 449 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,680 and the beliefs that science makes humanity 450 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:53,880 better on his side. 451 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,400 It's a fight worth having. 452 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,520 It's a reminder that even when things seem impossible, 453 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,920 human resilience, innovation, and working together can prevail. 454 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,600 Well said. 455 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,720 So we've covered a lot of ground today, these executive 456 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,800 orders, the personal stories, the inspiring examples 457 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:09,520 of resilience. 458 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Yeah. 459 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,000 But our journey doesn't end here. 460 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,080 No, it doesn't. 461 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:13,800 Stay tuned. 462 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:14,480 Absolutely. 463 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,200 Welcome back to Meteorology Matters. 464 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,120 You guys ready for more? 465 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,000 Oh yeah, absolutely. 466 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,560 There's still so much to unpack. 467 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,920 We've only just scratched the surface 468 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,520 of how these executive orders are changing things for science. 469 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,440 Yeah, for sure. 470 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,200 And in this part, I really want to focus 471 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,000 on the financial pressure these actions are 472 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,640 putting on research institutions. 473 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,480 We talked about it a little bit earlier. 474 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,320 But I think we need to dig deeper 475 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,400 into what the NIH's decision to cut overhead payments 476 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,280 for research really means. 477 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Yeah, it's a huge deal. 478 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,960 It's sent shock waves through the research world. 479 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,760 It's not just about tightening bouts. 480 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,240 It's like they're trying to take apart the whole support 481 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,880 system for scientific research. 482 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,760 Remember those indirect costs we talked about? 483 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,120 Yeah. 484 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,520 There's so much more than most people realize. 485 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:54,520 Absolutely. 486 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:55,520 I mean, think about it. 487 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,960 You have a state-of-the-art research lab. 488 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,120 You need specialized equipment, train technicians, tons 489 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:00,960 of supplies. 490 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,560 Oh yeah. 491 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,440 And then you've got administrative costs 492 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,560 for managing grants, making sure you're following all the rules. 493 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,320 Uh-huh. 494 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,440 And let's not forget about all the support services 495 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,360 that students need. 496 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,840 All that's covered by indirect costs. 497 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,400 And it's all vital for keeping research going. 498 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,040 Now the NIH is slashing these payments. 499 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,360 And research institutions are in a financial crisis. 500 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,960 They're expecting a car to run perfectly without taking care 501 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,280 of the engine, the transmission, even the tires. 502 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,040 Exactly. 503 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,680 And the consequences could be huge. 504 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,960 Universities might have to lay off staff, 505 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,360 which means fewer brilliant people working 506 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,960 on important discoveries. 507 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,840 Clinical trials might be put on hold, 508 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,000 delaying new treatments and cures. 509 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,840 Research projects that have been going on for years 510 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,040 could be disrupted. 511 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,480 All that valuable data and knowledge just lost. 512 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,000 And it doesn't stop there, right? 513 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,280 What about tuition? 514 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:49,640 Yeah, that's a big concern. 515 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,040 Universities need to make up for the money they've lost. 516 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,800 So they might have no choice but to raise tuition. 517 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:55,600 And who pays for that? 518 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,760 The students, of course. 519 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,520 Especially students from families that are already 520 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,840 struggling to pay for college. 521 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,440 It creates a terrible cycle. 522 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,960 You cut funding for research. 523 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,520 It leads to higher tuition, which 524 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,440 makes college less accessible. 525 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,440 And that limits the number of talented people 526 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,520 who can contribute to science in the future. 527 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:11,800 It's a worrying thought. 528 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,200 But as we said before, this isn't the end of the story. 529 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,560 There's pushback happening. 530 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,280 More and more people are speaking out against these cuts. 531 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,840 Scientists, university leaders, even lawmakers. 532 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,560 It's encouraging to see everyone coming together like this. 533 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:24,640 Absolutely. 534 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,320 It's important to remember that this isn't just about science. 535 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,480 It's about protecting the future of innovation, progress, 536 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,840 and our well-being as a whole. 537 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:32,520 Exactly. 538 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,920 Science isn't some far-off thing happening in a lab 539 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:35,680 somewhere. 540 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,640 It's the foundation for so much that improves our lives. 541 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,080 The medicines we take, the technologies we use, 542 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,480 even our understanding of the world around us. 543 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,240 But we've painted a pretty grim picture so far. 544 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,560 I think it's time to focus on what gives us hope. 545 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,480 What makes us optimistic, despite all of this? 546 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:52,440 I like that. 547 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,520 So where do we find these reasons for hope? 548 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,320 What makes us think that science will not just survive this, 549 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,560 but come out even stronger? 550 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:59,240 Right. 551 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,560 I think we can start with the incredible resilience 552 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:02,840 of the scientific community. 553 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,920 I mean, throughout history, scientists 554 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,200 have faced setbacks, skepticism, even outright hostility. 555 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,200 Oh, absolutely. 556 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,280 Think about Galileo. 557 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:11,680 Yeah. 558 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,640 He was condemned, you're saying, the Earth revolves 559 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:14,840 around the sun. 560 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,800 Or Ignat Simmelweis, the doctor who's 561 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,760 ridiculed for suggesting hand washing to prevent diseases. 562 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:20,640 Exactly. 563 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,760 But despite all that, scientists have always kept going. 564 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,960 They've kept asking questions, challenging the status quo, 565 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,040 and pushing the boundaries of what we know. 566 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,760 That spirit of inquiry, that constant search 567 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,240 for understanding, it's at the very core of science. 568 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,160 It's like this unstoppable force, isn't it? 569 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,840 It's really amazing to see that same spirit today, 570 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,640 driving scientists to find ways to adapt and collaborate, 571 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,240 even when things are tough. 572 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,120 I agree, they're pooling resources, 573 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:48,280 building new partnerships, looking for different ways 574 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,280 to get funding. 575 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,520 It really shows their creativity and determination. 576 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,840 And it reminds us that sometimes limitations 577 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,840 can lead to incredible new ideas. 578 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,440 It's like they see necessity as the mother of invention. 579 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,480 You put constraints on scientists, 580 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,520 and they find clever ways to work around them. 581 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:04,880 We're seeing that happen right now. 582 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,240 And it's not just established scientists, either. 583 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,920 The younger generation, students, and early career 584 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,880 scientists are stepping up, too. 585 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,280 They're speaking out, getting involved in politics, 586 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,640 and making their voices heard. 587 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:16,480 That's fantastic. 588 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,320 It's so great to see this new generation of scientists, 589 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,080 not just pursuing knowledge, but also defending it, 590 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,760 and making sure it has a role in shaping our future. 591 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,440 They're realizing that science isn't just 592 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,960 about what happens in a lab. 593 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,640 It's about how those discoveries are 594 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,040 used to create policies, solutions, and a better world. 595 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:33,600 They get it. 596 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,600 They're inheriting a world with a lot of complex problems. 597 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,960 Climate change, pandemics, ethical questions 598 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,360 about new technologies. 599 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:42,960 They understand that science isn't just a subject in school. 600 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,200 It's a crucial tool for understanding and solving 601 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,000 those problems. 602 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,400 It's empowering to see them taking ownership 603 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,040 of finding solutions, not just inheriting the problems. 604 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,880 They're not afraid to get political. 605 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,880 They're advocating for policies based on evidence 606 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,480 and holding those in power accountable. 607 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,760 It gives me a lot of hope for the future of science. 608 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,560 It feels like the torch is being passed 609 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,320 to a generation that's both passionate and practical. 610 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,240 It's a reason to be optimistic, that's for sure. 611 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,040 And it's not just the younger generation. 612 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,120 I think even the general public has a renewed appreciation 613 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,160 for science these days. 614 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,480 Yeah, I've noticed that too. 615 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,920 I think the pandemic, with all its uncertainty 616 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,640 and complexity, really highlighted 617 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,040 the importance of science. 618 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:20,440 Right. 619 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,920 Having experts we can trust making decisions 620 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,000 based on evidence. 621 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,240 Yeah, and the role science plays in keeping us healthy and safe. 622 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,520 It was like a wake-up call for the whole world, 623 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,720 reminding us that we can't take science for granted. 624 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,520 We need to support it, invest in it, 625 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,240 and trust that it can help us navigate these increasingly 626 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,280 complex times. 627 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,120 Absolutely. 628 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:40,280 Science isn't about dogma or ideology. 629 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:40,800 No. 630 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,160 It's a process, a way of asking questions, testing ideas, 631 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,400 and constantly learning from new evidence. 632 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,680 It's about being OK with not knowing everything, 633 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,840 admitting what we don't know, and being open to new ideas 634 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,480 and data. 635 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,240 And in a world full of misinformation, division, 636 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,320 and mistrust, that scientific approach, that commitment 637 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,920 to evidence, is more important than ever. 638 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,720 It's like a guiding light in the fog, 639 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,040 leading us towards a more reasonable, informed, 640 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:05,960 and hopeful future. 641 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:06,480 I love that. 642 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,160 So while we face challenges, there's also a lot of hope. 643 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,800 The strength of the scientific community, 644 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,080 the energy of the younger generation, 645 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,520 the fact that the public is starting 646 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,240 to appreciate science more, all of these point to a future 647 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,840 where science not just survives, but thrives. 648 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,440 And it's not just about surviving, is it? 649 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,240 It's about using science to create a better future, 650 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,240 using knowledge and innovation to solve the big problems facing 651 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,160 humanity. 652 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,240 It's about creating a society where decisions 653 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,600 are based on evidence, where critical thinking is valued, 654 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,280 and where everyone benefits from the pursuit of knowledge. 655 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,120 That's the goal. 656 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:38,440 And while there are no guarantees, 657 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,480 we can't give up hope. 658 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,760 The scientific spirit, that human desire 659 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,480 to understand the world around us, it's a powerful force. 660 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,240 It's the force that has driven progress throughout history. 661 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,520 It's led to countless discoveries, innovations, 662 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,360 and improvements in our lives. 663 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,000 And it will continue to shape our future, 664 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,640 whether for good or bad, depending 665 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,800 on the choices we make today. 666 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,560 So true. 667 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,160 The future isn't set in stone. 668 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,360 It's something we create together through our actions, 669 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,320 our choices, and our belief in human ingenuity. 670 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,240 It's about understanding that science isn't just 671 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,080 for scientists. 672 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,320 It's for everyone. 673 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,200 It's about realizing that we all have a role to play 674 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,880 in shaping a future where science is valued, 675 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,280 and everyone benefits from it. 676 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,320 And that leads us to a really important question, one 677 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,600 that we'll discuss in more detail 678 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,640 in the final part of our episode. 679 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,480 What can we do, both individually and collectively, 680 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,880 to support science, to make sure it keeps moving forward, 681 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,560 and to ensure that our decisions as a society 682 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,960 are based on evidence? 683 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,720 It's a question worth thinking about. 684 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,800 It's a challenge we need to face head on. 685 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,000 Because at the end of the day, the future of science 686 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,240 isn't just about money or policies. 687 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,800 It's about our shared commitment to curiosity, exploration, 688 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,360 and the pursuit of knowledge. 689 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,440 It's about understanding that science isn't just 690 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,760 a collection of facts. 691 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,200 It's a way of thinking, a way of interacting with the world, 692 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,200 and a way to build a better future. 693 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,160 Welcome back to Meteorology Matters, everyone. 694 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,320 It's time for the final part of our exploration 695 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,080 of science and politics. 696 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,800 We've been through a whirlwind of executive orders 697 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,280 and budget cuts. 698 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,720 And we've seen how these decisions 699 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,520 are creating a lot of uncertainty in the scientific community. 700 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,400 Yeah, it's been a wild ride, for sure. 701 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,360 But I think it's time to shift gears a little bit. 702 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:11,880 Instead of dwelling on the problems, 703 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,360 let's focus on the opportunities. 704 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,720 Let's talk about what we can do to move forward. 705 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,240 I like that. 706 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,480 We've spent a good amount of time analyzing the challenges 707 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,320 and highlighting the concerns. 708 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,040 Now let's think about how to navigate these turbulent times. 709 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,600 How do we create a brighter future for science? 710 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,560 I think the first step is recognizing 711 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960 that the future of science isn't set in stone. 712 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,440 It's something we build together. 713 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,000 Through the choices we make, the actions we take, 714 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000 and our belief in human ingenuity. 715 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,120 It's about understanding that science isn't just 716 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,640 happening in labs and research papers. 717 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,600 It's part of our society, our economy, 718 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,080 our culture, and our future. 719 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,880 And that's why it's so important for everyone, 720 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,800 not just scientists, to be part of this conversation. 721 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,400 We need to understand what's at stake and work together 722 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,760 to create a future where science thrives, 723 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,520 where everyone benefits from it. 724 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,440 Absolutely. 725 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,480 So let's talk action. 726 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,000 What can we do as individuals to support science 727 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,560 and make sure it keeps moving forward? 728 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,200 Well, it can be as simple as starting a conversation. 729 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,280 Talk to your friends and family about the importance of science. 730 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,440 Share interesting articles or videos 731 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,240 that show how scientific research impacts our lives. 732 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,760 It's about raising awareness, helping people realize 733 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,840 that science isn't just for scientists, it's for everyone. 734 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,720 Exactly. 735 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,000 And it's not just about talking. 736 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,200 We can support science with our actions, too. 737 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,240 Donate to organizations that fund research or volunteer 738 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,200 at a science museum. 739 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:27,640 Right. 740 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,440 It's about putting your money where your mouth is 741 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,480 and contributing to the resources that 742 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,280 help make scientific discoveries happen. 743 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,680 And don't forget about getting involved in politics. 744 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,600 Let your elected officials know you care about science funding 745 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,880 and making decisions based on evidence. 746 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,920 Go to town hall meetings, participate in public forums, 747 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,120 make your voice heard. 748 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,440 It's about being an active citizen and ensuring 749 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,920 that science is considered when decisions are made 750 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,360 that affect our future. 751 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,240 And hey, if you're really passionate about science, 752 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,200 why not consider running for office yourself? 753 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,480 We need more scientists and science advocates 754 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,640 in positions of power, people who understand these issues 755 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,440 and can fight for solutions based on evidence. 756 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,200 That's a great point. 757 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,640 It's a call to action, a challenge to step up 758 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,600 and make a difference, not just for science, but for all of us. 759 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,600 And you don't need to have all the answers 760 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,400 or be a scientific expert yourself. 761 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,840 It's about being curious, staying informed, and speaking up 762 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,600 for reason and evidence, especially in a world that 763 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,040 sometimes seems to be leaning towards misinformation 764 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,200 and ideology. 765 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,520 So the future of science isn't something that's just 766 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,640 going to happen to us, right? 767 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,680 No, not at all. 768 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,160 It's something we create together. 769 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,720 Exactly. 770 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,680 Through our actions and our commitment to knowledge. 771 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,200 I think that's a great place to wrap up 772 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,800 this episode of Meteorology Matters. 773 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,720 I hope our listeners are leaving with a sense 774 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,720 of not just understanding, but also empowerment, 775 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,520 the feeling that they can make a difference, 776 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,160 that their voices count, and that together we 777 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,440 can create a future where science flourishes 778 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,160 and everyone benefits. 779 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,600 Couldn't have said it better myself. 780 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,080 And thank you to all our listeners 781 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,800 for joining us on this journey. 782 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,800 We appreciate your curiosity, your engagement, 783 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,800 and your passion for science. 784 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,440 Keep those minds questioning those hearts open, 785 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,160 and keep speaking up for science, for reason, 786 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:28,160 and for a brighter future for everyone.