1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,280 All right, let's jump right in. 2 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,480 Today we're diving deep into a topic that's, 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,360 well, it's generating a lot of buzz, that's for sure. 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,680 Climate change, and specifically some 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,840 recent political appointments that are raising eyebrows, 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,160 to say the least. 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,500 We're talking about Chris Wright nominated 8 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:20,880 for energy secretary, and Lee Zeldin for EPA administrator. 9 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,960 Two very, very significant nominations. 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,200 Absolutely, and these nominations are happening 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,440 against a backdrop of, well, 12 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,480 those devastating wildfires in Los Angeles. 13 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,720 Yeah, a real tragedy. 14 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,720 Absolutely, over 40,000 acres burned, 25 lives lost, 15 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,120 and the fight to contain them is still ongoing. 16 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,920 It really brings the issue of climate change 17 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,200 front and center, wouldn't you say? 18 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,000 Oh, absolutely, and it really underscores 19 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,960 the urgency of the situation, 20 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,080 the need for decisive action. 21 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,080 Couldn't agree more. 22 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,560 Before we get too far into it though, 23 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,960 a quick shout out to all the weather geeks out there. 24 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,280 If you're looking for some seriously cool 25 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,440 meteorological content, check out meteorologist Rob Jones. 26 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,440 Instagram at meteorologist, 27 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,040 TikTok at TV meteorologist, 28 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,240 and on YouTube, follow at Rob Jones' hurricane. 29 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,680 Wow, that's a lot of platforms. 30 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,360 He's everywhere, hurricanes, forecasting, climate, 31 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:13,480 you name it, he covers it. 32 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,600 Oh, and his podcast meteorology matters 33 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,800 is definitely worth a listen. 34 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,680 He's even got videos from Hurricane Chasing 35 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,200 and samples of his own on air work in television. 36 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,040 Sounds impressive. 37 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,800 He's the real deal. 38 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,960 Okay, now back to our deep dive. 39 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:28,760 So these nominations, they're happening 40 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,280 at such a crucial time, 41 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,480 with climate change becoming more and more, 42 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,200 well, impossible to ignore. 43 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,520 What's your take on the significance 44 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,600 of these nominations, especially given, 45 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,960 like we said, the current situation? 46 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:43,040 Well, I think they offer a kind of a window 47 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,840 into how the new Trump administration 48 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,560 might approach climate change policy. 49 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,400 Interesting. 50 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,760 We're seeing a shift, I think, 51 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,880 from outright denial to a more nuanced stance. 52 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,760 Both nominees, they acknowledge 53 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,480 that climate change is happening, 54 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,400 but they have different views on how serious it is 55 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,480 and what the right response should be. 56 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,760 That's fascinating. 57 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,960 So let's unpack that a bit. 58 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,120 Let's start with Chris Wright, 59 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,400 the energy secretary nominee. 60 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,680 He's made some pretty provocative statements 61 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,880 about the connection between climate change 62 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,640 and those wildfires we were just talking about. 63 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:22,200 What's the gist of his argument? 64 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,320 Well, he's downplayed the link, 65 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,120 even gone as far as calling it hype. 66 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,440 Hmm, that's a strong word. 67 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,440 It is. 68 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,280 And he points to declining global acreage 69 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,280 burned by wildfires as evidence for his position. 70 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,720 Okay, so he's basically saying 71 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,560 that climate change isn't the main driver. 72 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,400 Right. 73 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,240 He's suggesting that other factors are more significant. 74 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,840 Hmm, interesting. 75 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:45,680 But hype. 76 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,080 I mean, that's pretty dismissive, 77 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,280 especially considering the overwhelming consensus 78 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,480 in the scientific community that climate change is, 79 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,280 well, it's fueling these wildfires. 80 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,360 Yes, and particularly in places 81 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,200 like the Western US and Australia. 82 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,400 Exactly. 83 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,920 So why use that kind of language, do you think? 84 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:03,000 Well, it seems like he's trying to frame the issue 85 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,120 in a way that downplays the urgency, 86 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,160 the need for drastic changes. 87 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,480 So not outright denial, 88 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,080 but maybe a way to shift the narrative a bit. 89 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:11,920 Exactly. 90 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:12,760 Okay. 91 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,040 What about his argument 92 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,080 about the declining global acreage? 93 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,800 How does that square with the scientific evidence? 94 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,640 Well, scientists argue that just looking 95 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:24,240 at the total acreage burned, it's misleading. 96 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,080 Uh-uh, okay. 97 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,640 This is the bigger picture. 98 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:29,880 While some areas might be experiencing fewer wildfires, 99 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,680 other regions are seeing unprecedented fire activity, 100 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,840 and that activity is directly linked to climate change. 101 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:37,960 You know, it's like saying, 102 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,840 crime is down overall, 103 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,760 but ignoring a spike in specific neighborhoods, 104 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,640 you can't just look at the big picture, right? 105 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,640 You have to understand the regional variations 106 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:47,920 and the underlying causes. 107 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,120 That's a great analogy. 108 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,720 And in the Western US, for instance, 109 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,280 we're seeing hotter, drier conditions, 110 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,800 and this phenomenon called weather whiplash, 111 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,200 you know, periods of heavy rain 112 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,000 followed by intense dryness. 113 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,720 It's creating perfect conditions 114 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,480 for these massive fires to ignite and spread. 115 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,160 Wow, weather whiplash, that sounds intense. 116 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,840 It is, and it's making these fires 117 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,800 much more difficult to control. 118 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,400 So is that all right has to support his position, 119 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,240 or is there more? 120 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,840 Well, he's also argued that cold temperatures 121 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,160 are more deadly than heat. 122 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Hmm, interesting tactic. 123 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,200 Trying to downplay the risks of a warning planet. 124 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,400 It seems that way. 125 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,840 But scientists, they point out that attributing 126 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:28,400 lower cold related deaths solely to climate change, 127 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,720 it ignores other factors like better housing, 128 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,920 healthcare, you know, things like that. 129 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,560 Right, so improvements in living conditions 130 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,120 and technology might also be playing a role. 131 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,640 It's more complex than just saying, 132 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,160 oh, it's warmer so fewer people are dying from the cold. 133 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,800 Exactly, and you can't ignore the projections 134 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,480 which show that climate change could lead 135 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,960 to a significant increase in heat related deaths 136 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,200 in the future. 137 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,000 So it seems like he's cherry picking data points 138 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,760 to support his view without really addressing 139 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:56,880 the broader context. 140 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:57,880 That's fair assessment. 141 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,720 Okay, so we have this clear clash of opinions, right? 142 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,600 What are the potential consequences 143 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,120 of having an energy secretary who holds these views? 144 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,600 I mean, what does that mean for policy? 145 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,760 It raises serious questions about how the Department 146 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,400 of Energy will approach climate change mitigation 147 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,520 and energy policy in general. 148 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,560 Will the focus be on promoting fossil fuels 149 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,920 or investing in renewable energy? 150 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:20,760 Big question. 151 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,320 And how will his stance on climate change affect funding 152 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,720 for things like wildfire prevention 153 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,400 and research into the link between climate change 154 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,600 and these devastating events? 155 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,680 It seems like his position could have a ripple effect 156 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,160 across the entire energy sector. 157 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,680 Now let's shift gears a bit and talk about Lee Zeldin, 158 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,040 Trump's pick for EPA administrator. 159 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,280 What's notable about his nomination 160 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:46,120 and where are some of the potential controversies 161 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:46,960 surrounding him? 162 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Well, his nomination is interesting 163 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,560 because unlike some figures 164 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,120 in the previous Trump administration, 165 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,600 he acknowledges that climate change is real 166 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,080 and that it poses a threat. 167 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,960 Okay, so he's not a climate denier. 168 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,440 That's something at least. 169 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,720 Right, but he's also stated that he believes 170 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,400 the EPA is authorized, not required, 171 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,560 to regulate carbon dioxide emissions. 172 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,200 Wait, so he acknowledges the problem, 173 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,280 but maybe doesn't feel obligated to act on it? 174 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:12,360 That's a bit of a head scratcher. 175 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,320 It is, and it's raising concerns about how committed 176 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,720 he'll be to tackling CO2 emissions, 177 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,720 which are of course a major driver of climate change. 178 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,600 Can you unpack that distinction a little bit? 179 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,120 Authorized versus required. 180 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,000 What does that actually mean in practical terms? 181 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,480 Sure, he's referring to a 2007 Supreme Court decision 182 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,160 that gave the EPA the authority 183 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,680 to regulate greenhouse gases like CO2, 184 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,960 but he seems to be interpreting that ruling as, 185 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,440 well, not necessarily mandating such regulation. 186 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,200 So he has the power, but might choose not to use it? 187 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Potentially. Hmm, that's a bit concerning. 188 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,840 Is there anything in his track record 189 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:53,280 that gives us any clues about how he might approach 190 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:54,360 environmental issues? 191 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,640 Well, his voting record has been under scrutiny, 192 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,920 and he has a pretty low score 193 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,600 from the League of Conservation Voters. 194 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,720 Ah, so not exactly a champion 195 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,080 of environmental protection then. 196 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,960 Not based on that score, no. 197 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,120 But wait, you said earlier that he does acknowledge 198 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,320 climate change is a threat. 199 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,240 How does he reconcile that with his, 200 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,320 well, his seemingly hesitant stance on regulation? 201 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,000 That's the million dollar question, isn't it? 202 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,920 It's possible he believes other approaches 203 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,200 are more effective than government regulation, 204 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,040 things like technological innovation 205 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,800 or market-based solutions. 206 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,480 So maybe he's more of a 207 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,760 let the free market handle it kind of guy. 208 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:30,600 Possibly. 209 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,720 Or maybe he sees a stronger need 210 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,400 to balance environmental protection with economic growth. 211 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,360 Ah, yes, that age-old tension. 212 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,560 Jobs versus the environment. 213 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,760 It'll be fascinating to see how he navigates that 214 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,920 if he is confirmed as EPA administrator. 215 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:45,760 Definitely. 216 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,320 Yeah, it's a tricky balance for sure. 217 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,680 And it raises some really fundamental questions about, 218 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,640 well, about the role of government, right? 219 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,400 And how we balance economic growth 220 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,600 with environmental protection. 221 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,560 And even I think about how we have these debates 222 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:00,640 about science itself. 223 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,440 Absolutely, it's not just about wildfires or emissions. 224 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,680 It's about how we, as a society, 225 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,040 how we make these tough decisions, 226 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,000 especially when you're dealing with such complex issues, 227 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,320 like climate change. 228 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,080 And one thing that really jumped out at me 229 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,040 was how both Wright and Zeldin, 230 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,800 they seemed to really emphasize this idea 231 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,600 of American innovation, right? 232 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,080 Like technology as a solution. 233 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Yes, exactly. 234 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Wright talks about relentless U.S. innovation 235 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,760 and technology solutions. 236 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,320 And Zeldin, he seems to believe that, 237 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,880 well, that economic growth can actually lead 238 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,240 to environmental progress. 239 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,360 Interesting. 240 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,080 But it makes you wonder, 241 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,360 what specific technologies are they talking about? 242 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,840 I mean, are we talking about things like carbon capture 243 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,200 or maybe advanced nuclear reactors? 244 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,880 Or even like geoengineering. 245 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,400 Yeah, those are all possibilities. 246 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,080 And then the question becomes, 247 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,360 how do we actually develop and deploy these technologies? 248 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,560 Is it primarily through government-funded research 249 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:57,720 or does the private sector take the lead? 250 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,160 Right, because it makes you think, 251 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,040 could this focus on technology, 252 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,480 could it actually delay other measures that we need to take? 253 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,360 Reducing our use of fossil fuels 254 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,600 or promoting energy efficiency, 255 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,320 could it be a way to kind of stall 256 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,040 while appearing to address the problem? 257 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,320 That's a valid concern. 258 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,960 And it really highlights the need for a more, 259 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,640 I guess a more holistic approach to climate change. 260 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,800 Yeah, like we need to be tackling it from all angles. 261 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,640 Exactly, we need technological innovation for sure, 262 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,080 but we also need policy changes, 263 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,360 behavioral shifts and investments 264 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,000 in adaptation and resilience. 265 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,400 Right, it's like we need this all of the above strategy. 266 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,280 And it needs to be informed by science, 267 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,600 but also it has to consider the economic, social 268 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,800 and political realities, it's a tall order. 269 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,720 It is, but as we've seen, 270 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,640 the stakes are well, incredibly high. 271 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:48,600 No doubt about it. 272 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,960 And that brings us back to this tension 273 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,920 between economic growth and environmental protection. 274 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,560 It's often framed as this zero-sum game, 275 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,240 we have to choose one or the other. 276 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,400 But is that really true? 277 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,320 Like do we really have to sacrifice 278 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,000 economic prosperity to be sustainable? 279 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Or can we actually achieve both? 280 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,640 That's the question, isn't it? 281 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,640 And it's one that Zeldin, he seems to be grappling with, 282 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,720 he talks about protecting the environment 283 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,680 without suffocating the economy. 284 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:15,200 So he's suggesting that there's a way 285 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,360 to find that middle ground to kind of have our cake 286 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:18,200 and eat it too. 287 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,040 It seems that way, 288 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,440 but how do you actually balance those interests, 289 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,120 especially when they seem so fundamentally opposed? 290 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,080 Yeah, because, I mean, his background 291 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,240 is kind of interesting, right? 292 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,840 Representing that coastal district on Long Island, 293 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,920 an area that's very vulnerable to sea level rise 294 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,120 and other climate impacts. 295 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,520 So maybe that shapes his views, right? 296 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,480 Possibly. 297 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,280 He's probably seen firsthand 298 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,280 how environmental degradation 299 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,760 can really threaten livelihoods, 300 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,800 especially in industries that depend 301 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,560 on a healthy environment, like tourism and fishing. 302 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:52,520 Right, so maybe his focus on economic growth 303 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,880 isn't just about profits for businesses, 304 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,920 but also about making sure that communities can thrive, 305 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,360 that industries can be sustainable in the long run. 306 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,480 Exactly, and it highlights the fact that a healthy economy, 307 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,960 it really depends on a healthy environment, 308 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:07,800 and vice versa. 309 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,800 It's like they're intertwined, right? 310 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,240 But how do we make that connection clear to people, 311 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,720 especially those who might see environmental protection 312 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,040 as an obstacle to economic growth? 313 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,640 Well, I think that's where the role of science 314 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,640 and really public discourse become so important. 315 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,920 We need to make sure our policies are grounded 316 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,720 in the best available science, 317 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,720 but we also need to be flexible and adapt 318 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,880 as we learn more, 319 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,800 and we need to create spaces where we can have 320 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,880 these thoughtful, respectful conversations, 321 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,240 even when we disagree. 322 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,040 It's about fostering this culture of curiosity, 323 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,560 and critical thinking, 324 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:48,680 where we're constantly questioning our assumptions 325 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:50,600 and looking at the evidence 326 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,840 and trying to understand different perspectives, 327 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,720 but how do we do that in a world 328 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,480 that often seems so polarized, 329 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,160 so resistant to nuanced conversations? 330 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,920 It's not easy, but it's absolutely essential, 331 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,480 and I think it starts with the commitment 332 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,120 to listening to each other, 333 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,520 even when we hold different views, 334 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,320 trying to find that common ground 335 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,200 while still acknowledging that we might have differences, 336 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,800 recognizing that at the end of the day, 337 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,240 we're all in this together. 338 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,960 Right, and the best solutions, 339 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,760 they're probably gonna come from collaboration, 340 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,760 from tapping into that collective wisdom. 341 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,400 It's a powerful message, 342 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,440 and one that I think resonates with people, 343 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,640 regardless of their politics 344 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,360 or their views on climate change, 345 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,280 because at the end of the day, 346 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,160 we all want a future where our kids and grandkids can thrive, 347 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,960 and we all have a role to play 348 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,120 in making that future a reality. 349 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,960 Absolutely, but it's important to acknowledge 350 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,000 that we're at a, well, at a critical juncture. 351 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,240 The decisions we make now, in the coming years, 352 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,200 they're gonna have a profound impact 353 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,680 on the trajectory of climate change 354 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:54,640 and the future of our planet. 355 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,440 So as we wrap up this part of our deep dive, 356 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,800 what are some key questions 357 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,160 that our listeners should be thinking about 358 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,880 as they consider these nominations 359 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,720 and really the broader issue of climate change? 360 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,720 Well, I think it's worth asking ourselves, 361 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,520 what role should the US play 362 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,040 in addressing climate change on a global scale? 363 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,800 Right, because we are a global leader. 364 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,880 Exactly, and given our historical contribution 365 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,680 to greenhouse gas emissions, 366 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:22,040 what responsibility do we have to help mitigate the impacts 367 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,400 and to support developing countries 368 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,280 as they transition to cleaner energy sources? 369 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:28,840 Welcome back to our deep dive. 370 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,480 We've been really digging into these nominations. 371 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,360 Chris Wright for Energy Secretary, 372 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,720 Lee Zeldin for EPA Administrator, 373 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,040 their views on everything from wildfires to CO2 emissions 374 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,920 and that whole struggle between growing the economy 375 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,760 and protecting the environment. 376 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,960 Yeah, some really key issues. 377 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,480 Absolutely, but let's step back from it a big picture time. 378 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,560 What are the big trends that are shaping 379 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:55,960 the whole climate landscape? 380 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,280 Both here in the US and globally? 381 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,680 Well, I think one of the most striking trends is just, 382 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,600 well, the sheer urgency of the climate crisis. 383 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,040 We're seeing the impacts happening right now all around us. 384 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:06,880 Yeah, absolutely. 385 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,640 Extreme weather events, sea levels rising, 386 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,440 loss of biodiversity, it's alarming. 387 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,080 And the science is clear, we need to act 388 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,760 and we need to act decisively 389 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,520 to mitigate these impacts and to avoid 390 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,200 those worst case scenarios. 391 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,600 And yet, here we are still debating, 392 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,640 still disagreeing about what to do, how to move forward. 393 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,600 Some folks are pushing for a rapid shift to renewables. 394 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,760 Others are banking on technology 395 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,320 or market-based solutions. 396 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,720 It's a lot to navigate. 397 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,920 How do we even begin to find a path forward 398 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,840 with so many different opinions, 399 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,160 so many different approaches? 400 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,360 It's definitely a challenge, 401 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,000 but I think what's encouraging is that these discussions, 402 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,840 they're not just happening in scientific journals anymore, 403 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,240 they're happening everywhere. 404 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,080 In our communities, in businesses, in government. 405 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,400 We're seeing young people demanding action, businesses, 406 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,720 even investors are putting pressure on governments 407 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,120 to be more ambitious with their climate policies. 408 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,840 It's almost like it's gone from this knee scientific debate 409 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,880 to a much broader conversation about our values, 410 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,640 our priorities, what kind of future do we want? 411 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,160 Exactly, and I think that shift is reflected 412 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,240 in how we talk about climate change now. 413 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,560 It's not just an environmental issue anymore, 414 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,120 it's a social justice issue. 415 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,480 It's an economic issue. 416 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,200 It's a national security issue. 417 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,240 It touches everything. 418 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,680 It does, and that reframing, 419 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,840 I think it's crucial because it brings more people 420 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:31,920 to the table. 421 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,000 Faith-based organizations, labor unions, 422 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,680 healthcare professionals, everyone's starting to see 423 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,160 how climate change will impact their lives, 424 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,400 their communities, their work. 425 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,520 It's like we're finally starting to connect the dots. 426 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:44,880 Right, and that's key, 427 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,400 because to really tackle climate change, 428 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,800 we need everyone on board. 429 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,800 It can't just be scientists or activists, 430 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,720 it has to be a collective effort. 431 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:53,840 A global effort. 432 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,680 Absolutely, it's a global challenge 433 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,560 that demands global cooperation. 434 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:58,640 So where do we start? 435 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,680 Where's that collaboration most critical? 436 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,480 Well, one of the most urgent areas is reducing emissions, 437 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,880 right, greenhouse gas emissions. 438 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,800 We need a global framework that sets ambitious targets 439 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,760 and supports developing countries 440 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,800 as they transition to cleaner energy. 441 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,760 And that framework, it needs to be fair, right? 442 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,120 It can't just benefit those who have historically, 443 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,840 contributed the most to the problem. 444 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,920 You're absolutely right, equity is paramount. 445 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,520 And it needs to be flexible too. 446 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,560 The science is always evolving, technology's changing, 447 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,000 we have to be adaptable and willing to adjust 448 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 as we learn more. 449 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,440 Well, it can't get stuck in our ways. 450 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,480 Exactly, and then there's the whole issue 451 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,520 of adaptation and resilience. 452 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,400 As the impacts of climate change become more intense, 453 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,480 we need to invest in infrastructure, 454 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,840 early warning systems, disaster preparedness, 455 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,880 helping communities cope with what's coming. 456 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,120 And that investment needs to be targeted, right? 457 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,120 Making sure those who are most vulnerable, 458 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,920 those who are often least equipped to deal 459 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,280 with these changes, that they get the support they need. 460 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,920 Absolutely, it's about making sure 461 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,600 that no one is left behind as we navigate this, 462 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,360 well, this unprecedented challenge. 463 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,200 We're all in this together. 464 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,240 We are, but you know, amid all these challenges, 465 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,800 there are also opportunities. 466 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,640 Oh, okay. 467 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,360 The transition to a cleaner, more sustainable economy, 468 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:14,720 it has the potential to create jobs, 469 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,520 to drive innovation, to improve public health. 470 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,920 It could lead to greater energy independence, 471 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,000 less reliance on fossil fuels, 472 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,440 a more resilient and equitable society. 473 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,640 So it's not just about avoiding disaster, 474 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,200 it's about building a better world. 475 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,040 Exactly, it's about reframing the narrative, 476 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,880 seeing climate action not as a burden, 477 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,440 but as a chance to create a world that's more just, 478 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,880 more sustainable, more prosperous for all. 479 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,000 And that's a message that's resonating 480 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,120 with more and more people around the world. 481 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:45,720 It's a message of hope, of possibility, 482 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,400 of human ingenuity and resilience. 483 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,800 It's a powerful message, 484 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,120 and one that we need to keep shouting from the rooftops, 485 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:55,480 especially when we're facing these daunting challenges, 486 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,080 these political headwinds. 487 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,000 We have to remember that we have the power 488 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,920 to shape our own future. 489 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,160 We can create a world where both people 490 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,080 and the planet can thrive, 491 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,440 but it takes courage, it takes commitment, 492 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,600 and a shared vision for a better future. 493 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,400 Couldn't have said it better myself. 494 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,880 As we wrap up this deep dive, 495 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,360 what's one final thought you wanna leave our listeners with? 496 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,560 Engage with this issue, stay informed, 497 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,840 have those tough conversations, and make your voice heard. 498 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,880 Whether it's through voting, advocating for policy changes, 499 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,320 or just making more sustainable choices in your own life, 500 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,320 every action, no matter how small it counts, 501 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,120 the future is in our hands. 502 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,720 Those are words to live by. 503 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,400 Thank you for joining us for this deep dive 504 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,120 into climate change and these pivotal political appointments. 505 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:42,200 We hope you found this conversation insightful, 506 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,120 and maybe even a little bit inspiring. 507 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:46,000 Remember, knowledge is power. 508 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 The more we understand these challenges, 509 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,320 the better equipped we'll be to find solutions. 510 00:18:50,320 --> 00:19:15,320 Keep learning, keep asking questions, and keep diving deep.