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Okay, so Asheville, you wanted to take a deep dive

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into all that flooding, right?

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Yeah, it's, well, it really makes you think twice

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about those climate haven ideas, doesn't it?

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Right, like Asheville's supposed to be this safe haven

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tucked away in the mountains.

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Or attracting all those folks fleeing the coasts.

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Exactly, and then bam,

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Haleen dumps meters of rain.

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It's just, it's almost ironic.

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Yeah, you got that right.

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And these articles we've got, they don't hold back.

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It's grim reading.

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It's tough to even grasp the sheer scale, you know,

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for sometimes even five months of rain.

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In like, what, three days?

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Less than that even.

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Three days in some spots.

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And we're talking about some areas

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getting their typical four to five months worth.

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Imagine that much water all at once

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rushing through those valleys.

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It's almost impossible to picture.

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And then there's the human cost.

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Just awful.

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Over 40 deaths confirmed.

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And that's just in Buncombe County.

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And we both know that number's going up.

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It's gonna keep climbing for sure.

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Homes gone, businesses wiped out, livelihoods.

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Just gone.

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It's just heartbreaking.

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It really drives home the point

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that this climate change thing,

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it's not just a coastal problem anymore.

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Right.

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Like even if you're miles inland,

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there are still consequences.

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Makes you wonder though,

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Asheville's seen its share of bad floods, hasn't it?

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Wasn't there that one back in 1916?

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The Great Flood, yeah.

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They talk about it in one of these articles.

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Is this like history repeating itself then?

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Or is there something more to it?

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Well, there are definitely some parallels.

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Back in 16, it was a string of hurricanes,

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one after another that really drenched the mountains.

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A whole series of hurricanes.

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And it's like, yep.

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Just kept coming one after the other.

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And that's what led to the catastrophic flooding back then.

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Wow.

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I mean, that's something else.

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You'd think an event like that

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would be seared into the region's memory.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Some of the stories from back then,

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they're hard to even read about.

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Babies ripped right from their parents' arms

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by the floodwaters.

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Entire families wiped out by landslides.

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It's hard to wrap your head around that kind of loss.

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Unimaginable, really.

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And it highlights how, despite all the solidness of mountains,

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we're still pretty darn vulnerable to nature, you know?

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For sure.

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But we've always had these kinds of extreme weather events

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had only.

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So what makes Helene different?

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Is it just a case of bad luck or?

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That's the thing.

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While those historical floods were awful,

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what we're seeing now with Helene,

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it's like those events but on steroids, you know what I mean?

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And the difference maker.

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Climate change.

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So you're saying it's not just that these storms are happening.

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It's that climate change is making them even worse.

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Exactly.

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It's like, think of those past storms as lighting a match.

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Climate change is like dumping gasoline on it.

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Wow.

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OK.

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So how's it doing that?

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Is it making it rain harder or something?

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Warmer air, my friend.

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It holds more moisture way more than it used to.

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Basic physics, really.

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OK, go on.

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I'm listening.

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Think of a sponge, right?

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It can only soak up so much before it starts dripping.

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Warmer air, it's like a super soaked sponge.

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And we're seeing that extra moisture come down

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as these crazy downpours.

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And the research backs that up, right?

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So I was reading something about how climate change made

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Helene's rain something crazy 20 times more likely.

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Yeah, something like that.

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It's still preliminary, but those are the kind of numbers

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they're throwing around.

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And that's not a small jump.

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That's a complete game changer.

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20 times.

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Man, that's dead.

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OK, yeah, you're right.

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Point taken.

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So warmer air, more moisture, massive downpours.

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Got it.

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But isn't there also something about how climate change is

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messing with hurricanes themselves?

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It's not just about the rain itself.

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These hurricanes, they're changing too.

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What do you mean?

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It's like this, think of a hurricane,

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like a giant engine, right?

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Fueled by heat.

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Warmer oceans, that's like higher octane fuel,

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makes them more powerful.

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OK, so stronger hurricanes.

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Makes sense.

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But here's the thing.

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They're also slowing down.

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Wait, really?

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I figured a more powerful storm would move faster,

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wouldn't it?

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You'd think so right.

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But it's more about how they interact with the atmosphere,

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all that stuff.

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These supercharged hurricanes, they get kind of stuck.

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Stuck?

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Yeah, in these slow moving weather patterns.

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So instead of bullying through quickly,

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they just hang out over land, dumping all that rain for days.

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Oh, wow.

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Like a, I don't even know.

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It's the difference between getting

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a splash with a bucket of water and someone

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aiming a fire hose at you for hours, that kind of thing.

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OK, yeah, that's a good way to put it.

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So they're stronger and they're lingering longer.

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No wonder there's so much damage.

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And this is where it gets really interesting.

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This whole thing, it's not just a coastal problem anymore.

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Right, right.

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That's what's so scary about it.

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We used to think hurricanes hit the coast, and that's that.

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But with this inland flooding, places people thought were safe.

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No such thing is safe anymore.

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Pretty much, Asheville is a perfect example.

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And it's not alone.

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One of these articles, it highlights

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a bunch of other areas at high risk too.

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The Pacific Northwest, for one.

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Oh, really?

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I wouldn't have thought of them.

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Oh, yeah.

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Parts of Pennsylvania, upstate New York too.

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So even places used to dealing with snow, they're in trouble.

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Climate change doesn't care about what we're used to,

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unfortunately.

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And then you've got places in the Midwest, Iowa, Wisconsin,

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The Midwest, seriously.

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I always thought of them as safe from hurricanes, at least.

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That's the thing.

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We tend to think of climate change

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in these neat little boxes, right?

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Sea level rise over there, hurricanes over there.

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Yeah, keep it all separate in our minds.

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Exactly.

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But that's not how it works.

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It's all connected.

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And these impacts, they're rippling out in ways

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we're just starting to understand.

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Right, right.

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Like a chain reaction almost.

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And it's not even just the hurricanes, is it?

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All this talk about heavier rainfall,

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that's happening even without a giant storm.

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And mountainous regions like Asheville,

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they've got their own challenges.

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All those hills and valleys, it's

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like a funnel for the rain.

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Right, the water's got to go somewhere.

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It all flows down, picks up speed,

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and suddenly you've got a flash flood.

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Those streams and creeks, they turn into raging rivers

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in no time.

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It's like dumping a bucket of water

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over a steep roof or something.

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And think about it, the ground's often already

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soaked from previous rainfall.

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Like with Helene, right?

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So you add more rain on top, it's a recipe for disaster.

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Double whammy.

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So even if it's not a huge downpour,

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it's still a problem if the ground's already saturated.

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And get this, the article, it mentioned the study.

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They found that even a tiny increase in soil moisture,

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like 1%, it can lead to a way bigger increase in how much

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water ends up in rivers.

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Wait, so if the soil's a little wetter,

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the rivers get a lot higher.

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That's what they're saying, like three times higher.

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It's crazy.

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Doesn't even work.

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It's all about absorption or lack thereof.

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Think of saturated soil like a full sponge.

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It can't hold any more water.

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So it's just runoff?

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All that rain, instead of soaking in,

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it just runs off into the streams and rivers,

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overwhelms them, and boom, flood.

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So it all just builds on itself.

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Warmer, wetter, more flooding, and nowhere safe.

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It's like, what's the point of even trying

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to find a climate haven if it all goes out the window?

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Yeah, that's the thing about climate havens, isn't it?

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It's kind of an illusion.

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You can try to escape one thing, sea level rise,

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let's say.

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Right, move inland up into the mountains like Asheville.

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Exactly.

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But the thing is, everywhere's got its own set of challenges.

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It's not like you can just outrun climate change.

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No, it's everywhere.

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So what does that mean for people who are trying

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to find a safe place to live, especially with everyone

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and their brother leaving the coasts these days?

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That's the big question, isn't it?

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And you're right, there's this whole migration happening.

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People leaving the coasts, looking for safer ground,

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heading for places like Asheville.

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Trying to get ahead of it.

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Exactly.

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But here's the thing, that influx of people,

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it can actually put more stress on those areas.

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Wait, really?

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Yeah.

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I think more people would be good, you know?

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More resources, more support.

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To a point, sure.

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But it's not that simple.

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More people means more development,

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more strain on resources, all that.

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And if those places aren't ready for a sudden population

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boom, it can actually make them more vulnerable.

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So it's like, the more crowded the lifeboat gets,

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the more likely it is to sink.

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Kind of, yeah.

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And then there's the affordability issue.

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The article mentioned how people

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are being priced out of these supposedly safer areas.

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Right, because everyone wants to live there now.

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Exactly.

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So even if people are aware of the climate risks,

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they might not have a choice.

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They need somewhere affordable to live.

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It's a tough situation all around.

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Though you'd hope that something like Hurricane Helene,

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as bad as it was, might make people rethink their priorities.

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You'd hope so, wouldn't you?

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But people are funny like that.

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There's this thing called optimism bias.

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Optimism bias.

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Yeah, it's like this weird quirk where we tend to think

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we're less at risk than other people,

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even when all the evidence says otherwise.

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So even with these massive floods,

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we still think, oh, it won't happen to me.

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Pretty much.

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And that disconnect between the reality of climate change

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and how we perceive risk, it makes it

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harder to get people to act.

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That makes sense.

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So where does that leave us?

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What's the takeaway for all of us listening?

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We just doomed to repeat this cycle of disaster and denial.

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I don't think so.

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I mean, yeah, it's easy to get overwhelmed.

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But the most important thing is to not give in to that.

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Don't get paralyzed by fear or apathy.

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OK, so what?

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Just keep on keeping on.

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In a way, yes.

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But it's more than that.

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It's about recognizing that we do have a choice.

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We can choose to be part of the problem,

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or we can choose to be part of the solution.

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And that starts with awareness, right?

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Understanding what's at stake.

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Exactly.

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And then taking action.

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Every little bit helps, whether it's

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reducing our own carbon footprint,

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supporting sustainable businesses,

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or advocating for change at a larger level.

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It all makes a difference.

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I like that.

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It's not about saving the planet for some abstract future

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generation.

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It's about making the world a better place right now

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for everyone.

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Absolutely.

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And it's not just about individual actions either.

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It's about coming together as a community, as a society,

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to address this challenge head on.

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Because we're all in this together.

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You are.

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So to everyone listening, the choice is yours.

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What will you do?