Hello and welcome to the Oak Hill College Deep Roots podcast conversations about theology and ministry
I'm Matthew Bingham. I teach church history and systematic theology here at Oak Hill College
I am joined today by my colleague Eric Ortland who teaches Old Testament
Here at the college and we also have a very special guest with us today, Eric
Who are we with today? Absolutely
Everyone watching might see some resemblance with the man sitting to my left
We are joined by my father today, Ray Ortland
Who's been an Old Testament scholar and a pastor for many many years and is going to bring his expertise for us today
So dad, thank you so much for being here. It's a privilege. Thank you for having me
May I tell one joke before we begin? It's not gonna be jokes all the way, but when when my father retired
retired from ministry at from his church
We had a celebration to you know, express all of our love and appreciation for you
I said a little bit all the kids said something and most people did not know me and I stood up and said
Hi, everyone. My name is Eric. I'm Ray Ortland's son
And then I said no, I know that I look older than Ray, but I am actually his son
So for those of you watching at home, if you're curious, this man actually is older than me
Even though it doesn't look that way so on that awkward note that could you just say a little bit about?
Where you live and what you've been doing for the past couple years for those people watching at home. Yeah. Thank you, Eric
My dear wife, Janie and I live in the Nashville, Tennessee area and
This past December we celebrated our 51st wedding anniversary. Congratulations. Yeah, we're very grateful to God
I am a pastor and
I have the privilege of serving now through a manual church as a pastor to pastors and
and also with renewal ministries and
RM enables us to travel the world and care for people encourage them speak teach
Preach and so forth. Wonderful. Wonderful
Dad, would it be fair? I'm gonna put you on the spot slightly here in a way that's slightly awkward
But given comments that you and mom have made you mentioned being a pastor to pastors
Would you say it's fair to say that God at this stage of your life?
Has given you the opportunity to be kind of a father figure to young pastors in the US
Is that this is a I think I cannot deny that and it's very
Moving to me
wondrous to me, you know, I feel so
privileged to
Care for younger pastors to believe in them affirm them notice them
Encourage them. Yeah, it's a it's a sacred privilege
Yeah, the Ministry of Encouragement. Yes. Yeah Paul said to Philemon
The hearts of the Saints have been refreshed through you
Philemon 7 that is a powerful I believe
Underappreciated ministry the hearts of the Saints have been refreshed through you
that is a high commendation for for any Christian and
Your mom and I deeply desire that ministry
Yeah, I remember you saying to me once have you ever asking me. Have you ever met someone who was over encouraged?
Who didn't need any more encouragement and I I haven't so to begin this conversation
Let me ask you you've been in ministry for several decades
Can I ask you two-part question sure first of all?
What was clear and important and urgent to you when you began ministry?
Which is still every bit as clear and important and urgent and
What are one or two things that are now clear and urgent and important to you that you either?
Undervalued or just weren't aware of thank you. That's a great question
What remains?
Captivating and urgent as it was in the 1970s is the ministry of the word
Expositional preaching and teaching
Eric I remember in September of
1972 just over 50 years ago. I was sitting in a class in seminary and
At dr. S. Lewis Johnson it was
The first course at the seminary was
The first course after beginning Greek and we were learning basic Greek exegesis
We had our United Bible Society's Greek New Testament's out in front of us
He was teaching us how to use the text apparatus at the bottom of the page the unseals the
Monuscules the papyri and so forth it couldn't have been more academic and
Suddenly without warning. I didn't see it coming. I didn't have time to duck and
It was the kind of thing and at the time. I really didn't believe it
But right there in the class
How do I say this and awareness
Came upon me I
knew it was
from above a
clear and distinct first-order experience of
Divinely given awareness and two thoughts entered my mind that I knew were of God one oh
This is what I was born for
To I'm gonna be a serious student of the Bible for the rest of my life
and it passed
But that marked me and
Professor Johnston Johnson Johnson
Johnson who I never heard of except for this story. He had no idea that happened
It was a normal day in class for him. No one else had any idea and in God's goodness
It was a hugely significant day. It was a turning point
Talking about not many students say oh, I can't wait to learn about New Testament textual criticism
But that was a hugely significant moment for you. It was a turning point in my life, and I thank the Lord for it
It was a a vivid sense of call
I already had a sense of call
I already had a call from to ministry, but then I had a call to biblical ministry
With a clarity I didn't even know was possible and in God's mercy. I walked in that call I
Have many regrets Eric, but the time I have given to serious study of the Bible. I do not regret I
I thank the Lord for it. What a privilege how many what percentage of Christians over the last 2,000 years
Have been given the privilege of studying the Bible at the level of the original text. I
Do not take this for granted. I I really thank the Lord for it. I just want to keep going
Yeah, no that has not changed. I still have that sense of of gracious privilege
Here's here's something. I was completely oblivious to at the time that means so much to me now
I've come to realize and it became clear gradually
But over about 15 years ago. I had another turning point in life. That was more of the nature of pain
than wonder
and I came to realize that I
Came to realize with new vividness that that the doctrine of scripture the the teachings of scripture
the theology of scripture
that gospel doctrine
must not
hang in midair as a naked abstraction an
item of orthodoxy a
Box to check to prove that we're legitimate
But that doctrine is there
Not only to lift up and exalt Christ in a general sense
Which we always want to do but in particular that doctrine creates a certain kind of community
It to use a an unworthy word well
Gospel doctrine creates gospel culture. That's how I try to summarize it
But it it creates a kind of magic among the people of God
so so
Christ and you the hope of glory. Let's let's consider that category for a moment
Christ in Ray the hope of glory Christ in Matthew the hope of glory
Christ in Eric the hope of glory Christ appears in each of us individually that is glorious and the glory is gaining ground
Becoming even more clear. All right, but that and that's wonderful
Something even more amazing is happening
Even more amazing is happening here
Not only Christ in Matthew Christ in me, but but Christ in the space between us
Christ in the relational energy and dynamics between us
Christ is invisible in Matthew Christ is invisible in Ray is visible in Ray and Christ is I
Believe even more greatly visible or deserves to be in the space between us
the relational dynamics that we
receive from the gospel
That we protect that we nurture that we rejoice in for example
Romans 15 7
Therefore welcome one another
gospel culture as
Christ has welcomed you gospel doctrine
for the glory of God
so
Where can the glory of God be seen in the world today?
Well, we could fly over to Switzerland and hike the Alps and we could see the glory of God
We could fly to America and and and hike the Grand Canyon. We would see the glory of God
Or we can drive down to church on Sunday morning a church that understands the gospel at the level of doctrine
And culture and just watch what's happening between the people and we would see
the glory of God
So Christ has welcomed you that's that's amazing Paul, of course is summarizing getting around to kind of summing things up at the end of Romans
Christ has welcomed you is the gospel in four words
It does not say Christ tolerates you
He does not roll his eyes
He does not put up with you
He welcomes you come on into my heart
Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you
So that is the end of aloofness
That is the end of being excessively shy
And self-preoccupied and I don't want to stick my neck out
Emotionally and relationally no no no
And it doesn't say say hi to one another
That's a good thing to do but it doesn't work
Say hi to one another on the way from the parking lot into the sanctuary on Sunday morning as Christ has said hi to you
It doesn't work
No, come on in here get into my life. I welcome you into my life
Wow
Where on in this world is that happening?
Wherever that's happening in Christ
The glory of God is seen and that was not clear to you the way it is now when you began
Oh my goodness. No, you know, uh, I knew it was important to be personable. Yeah courteous
cheerful
And so forth
I did not understand
Actually eric the very thing I saw in your grandfather's life
The very thing I saw in your grandfather my dad
Yeah, he really got this intuitively. Yeah, he treated people as if they were royalty because he knew they are. Yeah
Yeah, and what I saw in my dad. I finally understood more principally. Yeah and pastorally
Now all I want to do is preach and teach gospel doctrine in such a way
that gospel culture
comes alive
and
What frances schaeffer called the beauty of human relationships
appears, you know
I feel profound urgency about that that I was completely oblivious to
Years ago. Yeah gospel doctrine creates gospel culture. Yes, so if we're thinking about that, I'm a pastor in a local church
I'm a leader in a local church in some context. Is it the case that you know, I think of um, you know
Paul says to timothy keep a close watch on your life and your and your doctrine
um, is it just the case that I need to make sure my doctrine is sound that it's biblical and then I need to be teaching and
Communicating that clearly and gospel culture will then sort of work itself out or are there other other things?
That I need to be thinking about and checking in my own heart and my own life my own ministry
That might impede that even if my doctrinal
Decks are lined up as it were. That's a very important question
Well, I believe that if we're preaching christ crucified
Preaching the gospel
What is the gospel good news for bad people through the finished work of christ on the cross?
Justification by faith alone. Let's never stop. Let's get that message into every worship service
in some way shape or form
So I believe if we are preaching that message sincerely from the heart in the power of the holy spirit
Lots of great things are going to happen beyond our own immediate intentions
but
preaching
Clarifies doctrine. It's pastoring that nurtures culture
so
one-on-one conversations
Visits having people over for dinner
small group interactions
Vestry meetings elders meetings and so forth and also the sunday morning ministry
Not only as preaching but as pastoring
Leading a worship service is a pastoral experience
The pastor is is is wrapping his arms around that precious congregation
And rejoicing here. We have christ together and he creates this awareness
That we together as a body
Share the treasures of christ. He just nurtures that
He's not just preaching to individuals
But building and encouraging a group awareness
And rejoicing in christ it rejoicing in one another so preaching clarifies doctrine, but it's pastoring
That that must be dialed in and must be pursued
Diligently wisely lovingly faithfully
Ruggedly over the years that nurtures culture and it takes time
Preaching as you and I both know preaching the gospel will is not easy
But pastoring people into gospel cultures, I believe even more difficult because it entails nuances
intangibles
vibe
Feel and so forth those those
that's what culture is made of and
And it's our privilege as pastors to
think about that consider that pray about that discuss that with leaders and
begin to become
rejoicingly intentional about it
Now dad, let me ask you something
Everyone going into pastoral ministry has a different set of gifts. No one is is quite like
One another and there will be those who get a great amount of energy from interaction with other human beings and spending long
Months of time with them. There will be some pastors who will find it easier to retire to their study read commentaries read theology and so on
All those gifts are are valid and good. Yes. What would you say to someone who is listening to this and saying well ray?
Okay, I understand. We're supposed to love people
The kind of person I am i'm not you know a deeply self-aware person
Person I am i'm not you know, a deeply social extrovert who just oozes over people. I'm just i'm just more of a
Quiet
Relaxed person
What would you say to someone who is maybe thinking race describing a certain kind of personality that I don't have
No, that's a great point. Thank you for saying that I am
A huge introvert
Like being with you guys right now is
Okay, that's what that's what everyone says who comes on the podcast is just
Deeply exhausting. Yes, that's right
Who of us is truly loving?
Who of us was born with the love of christ in our hearts?
Um
If we are going to be faithful to christ as ministers and pastors
Deacons presbyterians and so forth. We're going to be stretched so far beyond ourselves
Let's never limit what the lord wants us to become by our own self-defined personality profile
Where's that in the bible?
We will be
We'll go places with him. We never dreamed we would go and we will be exhausted at times
Oh my god, what if we weren't? What if we always held back?
And played it safe and never allowed ourselves to get into a situation that might get out of hand in terms of my own personal
capacities
What if I limited myself to to my dna what I was born with? Excuse me
That is not christianity
So in speaking of how gospel doctrine creates gospel culture, we're not engaging in a new galatianism
Between the super spiritual people who you know love to be around people and those who don't
This is what christianity is for everyone
Well, not only are we not creating a new galatianism
The passage in the new testament that has been up in my face about this for decades
Is galatians 2 11 through 21 where the apostle paul?
scolds
the
apostle peter
John stott calls that the most tense and dramatic moment
in in terms of christian dynamics in the new testament
and
And what was paul's objection?
How why was paul so offended by this?
No one less than peter and he says even barnabas
Peter
treated
The gentile believers
As if they weren't quite good enough
There was a two-tiered body of christ
with kosher
jewish believers
Writing sitting in first class with prior boarding and extra legroom
And we had a
an extra legroom
And gentile believers back in coach
Are they going to heaven? Yeah, but they're not at our level
And he was denying that was that there was one faith one lord one baptist and one body utterly denying it
and his
His behavior therefore toward the gentile believers was more than a personal insult though. It was that
paul says
Peter was denying the doctrine of justification by faith alone
And and paul is saying you have no right to do that
Wow, that's intense
Now I very much don't want to dominate this conversation may ask one more follow-up question. Yes
What would you say?
How would you preach the gospel to a pastor listening right now and thinking ray you're right?
And my heart is so dry and cold and dead to the people god has given me
I just don't care
Well, what would you what does the gospel have to say? Yeah to that or to a pastor who's been wounded by the people?
He's been called to
And doesn't want to love them
What does the gospel say to a pastor in that position? That is a great question and we all find ourselves there. Don't we?
I think that's where in our defeatedness as pastors our our
our failure
our impasse
When we hit rock bottom
We tend to think oh my goodness, I don't want to go there. That is the worst case scenario
I no longer believe I understand that feeling. I no longer believe that's the worst case scenario
Because rock bottom is where christ himself awaits us with open arms
The greatest things in life happen when we hit rock bottom
I say 5715 for thus says the one who was high and lifted up whose name is holy
I dwell in the high and holy place and also with him
Who is contrite and lowly to revive the spirit of the contrite to revive the heart of the lowly
So where can god be found in this universe?
in two places
Way up high where we cannot go
And way down low where we can go
But god cannot be found in the mushy middle where everybody's pretty much kind of sort of okay
That is the place to fear
Pastoral mediocrity i'm doing a good job, you know
Better than most
Better than the church down the road. Yeah, right. That is that is
Is that's the worst case scenario?
To be devastated to fall on our face
To be defeated. How can I even go on? How can I do this one more day?
How can I face those people?
On sunday, how can I bring them some fresh baked bread?
That would
Be delicious to them. How can I do that?
That is actually the place of new beginnings
So if any pastor listening this who honestly finds himself their dear friend
You are so close to the risen christ right now he is next to you
2nd timothy 4 17 the lord stood by me
And strengthened me
Man, I love that
the risen lord
came as an unseen
felt presence
And the apostle paul felt this arm around his shoulder
And he he had this awareness of uh, the risen christ there with him saying hey
You just keep going
I'm proud of you
You're my friend i'm with you
The lord stood by me and strengthened me
The lord gives that gift to every faithful servant whose heart cracks open says lord
I need you as i've never needed you before
Yeah, thank you. So I mean that's
Thinking into the situation you describe eric. I mean, um the word that we hear a lot about these days is burnout
I think I saw I read a book recently that described millennials as the the burnout generation, you know, wow
This is a lot on people's hearts and minds and um, so there we're talking into the life of someone who might be feeling some of that
um, but
Here at college eric and I we we spend a lot of time don't we around?
People just starting off on the course looking towards what they hope will be what they pray will be a lifetime of faithful and fruitful
ministry
if you were talking to
those either
Just starting out or even in the first decade here as you enter in to
Look back on multiple decades
They're not burnt out, but they see others
Uh who've gone before who have felt that way and gotten to that place
What would be advice you might give to them to say?
Set up patterns for long-term longevity and faithfulness in ministry. Well, thank you matthew. Yeah, great question
so practical strategies
That I think these are obvious, but sometimes they're just not observed. You've got to take a day off
You've got to insist upon that not just insist upon
Those with whom you're you're partnering in ministry insist upon yourself taking a day off
So your mom and I when we were in the regular rhythm of pastoral ministry every monday was sacred sacred
That was janney day
and
If I wanted to slip in ministry on that day
Your your mother
Had ways of communicating
And she had every right to she deserved my attention and
Being with her was life-giving. I needed to shut off
Sermon preparation emails and so forth avoid all that go take a walk
Go do something fun
Take a drive
Um get some exercise
Go go linger over some really great coffee spend some time in the garden
Yes
So a day off everybody needs a sabbath secondly
I believe if a minister tries to plow through this life in isolation
He's already in trouble
James 5 16
Therefore confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed
All right. Now if we don't believe in the roman catholic confessional
What do we I mean? How do we obey that? That is a commandment
To whom do we confess our sins on a regular basis?
so
Sam walbury
And pastor tj timms in nashville
And I get together
and in my study
and the only
Agenda is to confess our sins to each other
And pray for each other that we may be healed
And so we have a
And pray for each other that we may be healed if we have no one that we trust enough and respect enough
To have that kind of experience that kind of transparency. I'm not talking about accountability that can be coercive
but transparency is is uh reciprocal and shared
and gentle
So living an ongoing transparency with trusted respected
Uh christian friends
and and
Walking in james 5 16 confessing our sins praying for each other. We do experience ongoing healing
So a day off having fun
Laughter watching a favorite movie
Taking a walk
and living in
honest
transparency with trusted respected friends
Those two practices I think
position us
for
Longevity in the rugged demands of pastoral ministry
That many thoughts come to mind as i'm listening to you talk
Could I ask I was uh, uh talking with a friend some time ago about a sermon we heard
Uh from a new preacher my friend made a comment
Uh, it was not a bad sermon. It really wasn't but my friend made a comment on it. He said I was instructed
my heart didn't sing
I was it was faithful to the text
I didn't find myself rejoicing by the end of it
I we surely all struggle with that that i've done my homework with the exegesis of the text
And and I i've preached sermons like this
I've been on the receiving ends of sermons where I get to then and I think I agree with everything you said
And I don't really care that much
How and matthew if you have thought you you're an experienced preacher as well if you have thoughts on this as well
I'd love to hear what you have to say
But how how can you help a sermon catch fire?
And be more than just the communication of information about the text
What would you say matthew?
Yeah, I think it's a really interesting one because I think in
The thing that I find interesting about ministry and preaching ministry is this way in which it's very easy
To sort of coast along you don't have a boss in the normal sense
Especially if you're I mean, I think my my background will be as a solo pastor small church
You don't have a boss in the normal sense looking over your shoulder. It's easy to sort of hide
But then at the same time for that reason perhaps
you also find it very easy to to
Chase a sort of perfectionism
And and feel as though it's never good enough
And everything you're saying I agree with I want I want to hear sermons that make my heart sing
And I want to preach sermons that make my heart sing or other people's hearts
But how do you how do you do that?
How do you chase excellence in preaching in reliance on the holy spirit without falling into a sort of?
Sense of perfectionism and a sense that you know what?
It's all on me and I think again for the solo pastor with a small congregation
You don't have a lot of people who are not really good enough
But if you're a small congregation, you don't have a lot to offer people in a sort of worldly sense
You don't have a great array of programs and staff and there is this sense especially in our circles
I think where we rightly put weight on expositional ministry. I think there's this pressure
I know I've felt it where it's you know, I'm I'm the main event here
And if I don't offer them something that's going to make them stay well, then why would they stay?
Why would they come to my church?
And how do you how do you live in that tension in a way that's god-honoring?
and
Uh, but also doesn't sort of let yourself off the hook as it were
I mean laziness is a temptation perfectionism is a temptation. How do you sit?
In a god-honoring place there. That's very insightful. I would not have located perfectionism
Inside that that question. Thank you for that
Um two thoughts one Jonathan Edwards helped me understand what the human heart is
It is the heart is the center of the human being the mind is not
You know, the mind is the sentry
you know with this
Musket
and he sees a datum coming an idea an influence an impulse and
Holds up his rifle and says halt who goes there friend or foe?
And if the mind is satisfied that this datum on its way toward the human being is
Passable acceptable a friend it opens the gate and that that datum that idea
That suggestion whatever it might be then enters in and goes down into the heart
Now we're getting traction
The point of what edwards helped me see though is that if my preaching only addresses the mind
I don't understand the human being
The human being we don't make the hard decisions of life and the joyous decisions of life
The important decisions of life
Just because we've satisfied the sentry who's standing there with his musket
We we turn corners we get traction when when
A gospel idea comes down and detonates in the heart
And then the other thing that i've just observed in myself and others is that
Whenever jesus crucified and risen again is this is more hermeneutical and theological
The point the real
The point is that the real
The point the real point of every passage in the bible from cover to cover as we all believe
Is christ crucified and risen again
Uh, remember eric when we lived in bankery up in scotland and remember skolte the hill with the tower on top
You can see it anywhere in the town. Yeah, wherever we were in the town in the valley around
We could always wear skolte and we could always oh there it is and get our bearings
So that's christ as wherever we are in scripture. We can always look up see him and we can see
Where we are better in relation to him
so it is not
Artificial or forced to connect any passage in scripture with christ crucified and risen again
He himself said the scriptures bear witness to me
now
When we take our preaching there if the last point turns the corner and points to christ
And in theological categories we go into
Doctrines like union with christ
substitution
imputation
Sanctification by by grace alone through faith alone and christ alone apart from all our works deservings merits identities everything
And and so forth
Those christ-centered doctrines
Then were lifted above merely coaching people in their sanctification
And where our eyes are lifted to him
And we all understand great things start happening at that point at the level of the heart
I did not know that for so many years eric. I have preached
hundreds of the most wretched sermons imaginable
Because I honestly believed my job was to help christians
Be better at
Living the christian life
I did not know
When christ is lifted up all that stuff gets better
Because the heart becomes engaged
So ray one one question that is a sort of perennial uh to put to uh pastors
books
Outside of the scriptures that have shaped you that have played a significant role in
Helping you to see more of christ to think more clearly about what it means to to be a pastor to be a christian
I won't ask you for your favorite book. I think that's hard, but what would be some books that you would say?
Uh, let me put this into the hands of another
Uh pastor all in the way. Well the first
Uh one that comes to my mind actually this isn't a book. It's in a book. It's it's a sermon by francis schaeffer
The book is entitled
no little people
published in the mid
1970s by intervarsity but in that book is a sermon entitled the lord's work in the lord's way
And for me if the scripture is here just underneath is francis schaeffer's sermon the lord's work in the lord's way
um because he makes
clear and compelling
the case that
Doing the lord's work
Out of our own wherewithal just because we're great at it. We're talented our capacities are cool our traditionalism
Whatever just us being great at this
That isn't the lord's work
the lord's work
so
A verse like john 663 the flesh it is the spirit. It gives life the flesh is
No help at all
The words that i've spoken to you they are spirit and they are life
schaeffer alerted me to
the
essentiality
Of doing the lord's work in the lord's way
If we really are going to do the lord's work
I can't go through a single day without thinking of that sermon. Yeah, I really recommend it to to everyone. So thank you
That thank you so much for this. I'm conscious of uh the time
Could I close with one final question if that's okay, and then could I ask you to pray for us and pray everyone if that's okay?
It would be a privilege
Well one final question
You you've been in ministry since the early 70s
Mostly in america, but you have spent some significant years here in great britain
As you've seen things changed
Uh things change different changes and trends that you've observed during your working life what things encourage you
And are there things that you think are we are in danger of losing things that earlier generations cherished which are
Underappreciated as we stand here in 2023. What's what are your observations?
Well, I thank you both matthew and eric for the privilege of being with you on this podcast today
I thank all our listeners for giving this their time
In the first decade of this century 2000 to 2010 or so. I was rejoicing to see
a
Resurgence a renaissance of gospel doctrine. I myself went through my own renewal
I
Rediscovered at a deeper thrilling personal level
justification by faith alone imputation
substitution and so forth and that cluster of gospel intense doctrines
In the new testament, especially
Came alive to me and to so many and so for example the gospel coalition
Was formed out of that energy sort of gospel rediscovery
And and let's relish these treasures. Let's spread them
That is really great to see
And that has staying power
if
This other part is also in place and I think this is in the the
second decade of this
century
2010 to 2020 or so
In in our country anyway in my country, I should say in the USA. I think I've seen a lot of relational breakdown
We are lousy at remaining friends long term
One of my goals in life is to stop losing friends
Because
It's not enough to be theologically serious
It's not enough to be expositionally robust
That's glorious
But not enough because that very theology is there to create a captivating beautiful community
As as schaefer said again the beauty of human relationships
I think that area
Has in that area we have revealed weakness
and failure and loss
And I think we have in our in the USA. I'm concerned
We have bungled an historic opportunity. We actually had 10 and 12 years ago
So i'm sorry to say that and I don't want to be discouraging to our friends here in britain
But that's my assessment of where we are and I think we need to go back to the theology in other words
Gospel culture is not a smiley niceness
In other words gospel culture is not a smiley niceness
Poured as a glaze on the surface of robust serious christianity
Gospel culture is is serious christianity
When the gospel doctrine is allowed to do what it wants to do and to exert the authority it legitimately has
What appears
Not just eloquent preachers
but beautiful communities called churches
Where really flawed people with a lot of regrets can come
and live again
Wonderful. Thank you so much. I wish we could keep going but this podcast has to stop sometime
So could I ask you to pray for everyone listening? Yeah. Okay, great
Father in heaven, we put ourselves in your hands and we pray
We are bold to pray for another great awakening in our time
And we pray for you through the truth of the gospel
And the power of the holy spirit
For the glory of the risen christ
and healthy alive
churches all over britain
All over the usa all over the world
For that we pray
To that we give ourselves
Thank you in the holy name of christ
Amen amen amen dad. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you and thank you to everyone joining us
I hope it was a blessing to you You