At just 17 years old, Jodie Morgan moves into
the Netherlands to chase her dream of entrepreneurship.
But her journey doesn't stop there. From designing
personalized face masks. And that went really
well, but it was a challenge because I was also
doing my thesis. Now a co -founder and host of
the Bite the Bullet podcast. I've said it on
the podcast, sometimes I felt like I didn't really
belong because my parents are foreigners. Born
on the beautiful island of Saba. When people
meet me, they're always like, what is Saba? And
still to this day. Not weary Saba, what is Saba?
That's what shook me. They're not even going
to give me the respect of saying well. She uses
her platform to amplify voices. I don't. I don't
want to fall in the trap of being on a small
island and then continuing to think small. One
of my purposes, and especially a big one, is
to share that. I never really think about these
things, to be honest, so I understand why this
is now Sunside Therapy. Welcome, Jody. That was
so lovely. And actually, I think we also set
this in the invitation that our podcast aims
to highlight amazing individuals from the Dutch
Caribbean, all six islands, including Suriname.
And now we have finally completed that mission
because we have our first Saban on the podcast.
Even when I say I'm from Saber, a lot of people
say, you're the first Saber I met. Yeah. So I'm
happy to bless the studio and the podcast. So
thank you for having me. I'm not going to lie.
My cheeks was hurting when you was talking because
I was like, you know, I sent some information,
but wow, that was a great introduction. Awesome.
Awesome. Thank you. So, um, Jody in 2025. So
can I say Jodi or do I have to say Jojo Rini?
Okay, okay. I explained the Jojo Rini in a bit.
So who is Jodi Morgan in 2025 and what are some
of her accomplishments over the last two, three
years? Okay. I think Jodi Morgan in 2025 is definitely
somebody who's excited about life, especially
from this year because there's a lot in store.
And she's somebody who's I feel weird talking
about myself in the third person. I am somebody
who's creative, and I feel like that's at the
forefront of my life, just in terms of what I'm
doing in my career. I'm a bit curious and quirky,
so I know odd things, but I think it helps in
life, and I feel like I've built myself. to where
I am from like the businesses I started because
I started Masquerade that was the name of the
mask business okay for the pandemic and it was
basically printing Caribbean flags on face masks
oh you know we're very patriotic yeah yeah yeah
but what I did was like a twist and put the flag
in the shape of the country or island. And that
ran really well, but it was a challenge because
I was also doing my thesis, my bachelor's. And
I was working because, you know, duo, I thought
duo was stopping because I wasn't going to go
do my master's. Yeah. But then I was like, OK,
I'm going to do a master's. So I still kind of
had that pressure in the moment of like, OK,
after this duo is done, you know, I need to make
sure I'm set. Yeah. But yeah. And then I also
started peak jewelry. That was before peak consultancy.
And that's this necklace. It's basically Sabre.
Because I feel like a lot of people say when...
Oh, nice. Now I see. Yeah. People thought I was
an M because my last name was Morgan. But it's
the mountain. But for me, it was important because
when people meet me, they're always like, what
is Sabre? And still to this day... Not wear a
Sabre. What is Sabre? That's what shook me. They're
not even going to give me the respect of saying,
oh, what island is that? No, what is that? So
for me, it's like, you want to see it straight
up. I can just point to that. So that's where
I continued. And I think that was my coping mechanism
a little bit, being away from the island. Because
you're away from home. And don't get me wrong,
I love the big city life. Like, say it was five
square miles. So it was, I wasn't planning to
go. Yeah, 2 ,000 people, guys. Everybody know
your business. But yeah, and then peak consultancy
was a way for me to get out of the 95. I always
knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur, but there
was moments where I was like, okay, let me try
something steady, but also get experience. So
I started a job at Stradivarius. That's one of,
you know, like Zara and Bershka. It's one of
the sisters. And I quickly became manager, which
was crazy. And I manifested that I was telling,
in my previous podcast, I was telling her, I
wrote on a piece of paper, like, I'm so happy
in my job, my team loves me. Up to this day,
I can't find a piece of paper. Oh, wow. But it
materialized because when I started, it was like
the aim was to do part time. So I can work on
peak consultancy and build that up so that I
could just rely on that. But three months later,
they were like, OK, we want you to be a manager.
Oh, wow. Yeah, because this was my first job.
And how old are you at this point? When was that?
I was 23. Oh wow. Yeah, because this was my first
proper I would say full -time job because I was
doing little jobs like in hospitality and stuff,
but this was quite big for me. But the craziest
part is we had a team of 32 and there was three
managers and I was becoming the third. But when
I became a manager the two other managers got
COVID. Oh shit. So it's like taking me and just
flinging me in the deep end like no no life jacket
anything, but I'm I Water Metro everything but
it taught me a lot quickly And I was able to
kind of get out of the 95 quicker than I think
I would have if I didn't have that experience
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, then I started pick
consultancy. It was really with the aim of Bringing
that modern culture that we have here with technology
and just knowing how to automate things and use
systems. Yeah and Merging it with a Caribbean
culture because we could be a bit stubborn. You
know when we do stuff how we do stuff Yeah, so
I just want to see how I could like add to that
And yeah, and then started bite the bullet with
the lovely Haiti. And now Kristen has joined
the team and it's honestly in a place I didn't
expect it to be so quickly. Now you guys have
a mini, mini Avengers moment. The lady Avengers.
Yeah, you go get your Funko Pops. Yeah. Sorry
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Bless. So if you look at the past two, three
years and then... What was actually, let's tap
into one or two of the big most surprising moments
that happened in things that you achieved? I
would say one was a negative, which I think is
good to touch on. Whereas like the first, the
masquerade company that I started for the pandemic,
a surprising thing for me was how quickly relationships
could like explode or just and and this is like
intimate relationships or friendship relationships
business relationship those friends that you
consider family because I started it with a friend
and things went left okay I think for me that
was a learning point to realize that things could
really the rug could be pulled out from oh yeah
yeah and I think that was pivotal for me also
from a place of like worrying what other people
think that has helped me to become more Guess
not on a yeah unapologetic and what I do Yeah
also being aware of how it impacts other people
because that's also something that's really important
to me and then I would say Another one is Really
being able to stay connected to home while not
being home and finding a way to do that Yeah,
I don't think everybody is Able to do it. Yeah,
just based on the industry. You're also in. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah because for me my main thing now is
graphic design and you could do that from abroad.
It's technology, and you kind of find a way to
take advantage of what it could offer. So I think
for me, that is, yeah, a big thing for my achievements.
Awesome. Yeah. My mother was telling me, even
when I was writing up my information, she was
like, make sure you include your school. I was
like, because I never really... Like, even when
people ask me about what I've achieved, I never
really include, like, the whole masters and bachelors.
I don't know why. For me, it's like, okay, I've
achieved it and I'm happy. But everything else
that I've achieved kind of trumps it from a place
of, like... I understand exactly what you mean.
Yeah. And do you feel like both the masters and
the bachelors that you did it 100 % for yourself?
No. Oh, this is the therapy part. I don't think
so. I think, especially with my parents growing
up. Yeah, I said it on a live show. They always
push me to achieve great things. And I think
it's helped me so much. But I think at times,
some things just came from a place of this is
the social construct or this is what you're expected
to do. moving more in my purpose, I realized
things kind of went in a different direction,
but they went in the direction they're supposed
to go. Because I did learn from my degrees, don't
get me wrong. But everything I've learned, especially
now, majority of it, comes from just... taking
that big leap. Yeah. And then sort of the self
-interest, self -discovery, et cetera. So while
the degrees are an accomplishment, they are nice.
They hold a certain value. But for you personally,
the more weight gets put on the things that you
truly find important. Yeah. Yeah. So I had actually
a similar experience. Yeah. So I There were different
points where I wanted to, where I was contemplating
quitting school, but from also the social construct
of the family, I never quite gave up on it. In
the end, I'm still happy that I went ahead and
I finished, but I also know that the path could
have gone different or I could have maybe tapped
into certain things a bit earlier and build up
that momentum while you're still young and got
all the energy. Exactly that, and you're taking
risks and all that fun stuff. But what did you
study? So I started off with information technology.
So hardcore coding. I very quickly realized that
that was not for me. It was an international
study. So out of a class of like 20 something
students, there were only three 18 year olds.
Everyone else was like ranging between 18 to
30. And I mean, at that time, I was like 30 you
old. I mean, I'm 40 now. So it's not that old.
It's really not that old. As I got older, I realized
old is not that old. Yeah, yeah, old is not that
old. But there was this moment in one of these
international student housings, and one of my
classmates from China. I remember seeing him
going into the bathroom with his Java book, and
Java is a coding language. And it was like a
whole hour later that he came out, and I was
like... He studied in the bathroom? I guess he
took a long time on the Trone and was figuring
out all this Java code. And I was like, if it
takes this amount of dedication for me to become
a programmer, I don't want this. I think that's
doable. JavaScript. That's doable. JavaScript.
Because that was actually the trigger for me
in that study. In that first year, I either failed
or barely passed or just passed. But then I got
a nine and a half for web design. So when I was
learning CSS and HTML. And the reason why is
because I could create things visually and I
just needed to do some basic coding to make it
look like something. And then that was fun. So
then I really wanted to do that. So then I made
a switch two years into ICT media design, which
is a combination of HTML, CSS, PHP, back then,
programming, design, graphic design, visual design,
et cetera, and communication. So also like...
Yeah, communicating, knowing how to communicate
things. So this is an era before social media.
Yeah. An era before the first iPhone came out.
So I was in my study during the time of the iPhone
being released and then the App Store coming
into existence. That's where all the OG stuff
comes in. Yeah. That's interesting. I feel like
with the web design and graphic design, that
was one of the biggest leaps I took because I
never did it. Yeah. even when I decided to quit
my job, I kind of did that in a place of like,
now I have to force myself to kind of learn,
but also because I knew I loved it. Like I love
design or just putting things together or just
even the whole color theory of stuff, it interests
me. So I saw that I could do this and I could
continue to do it. So you do the graphic work
for the podcast as well? I do quite a lot of
graphic work, yeah. Like in the first logo we
had, I drew that. So yeah. That was kind of a
proof of concept for me. You know you have those
moments where you know your potential, but you
need the evidence. Your brain needs to reaffirm
like, okay, my potential's up here, but can I
see it? And that was one of the first things
that really had me like, ooh, I could do this.
With the web design, I built a website, and that
was another evidence, but. With a podcast, I
feel like my creative playground has definitely
gotten bigger and I'm learning a lot more. Yeah.
Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. So let me tap into some
of my questions. Let's get it. I'm ready. So
we talked about the journey of school and then
sort of rediscovering the person that you are
and You're probably still on that journey of
discovery right now. Until we die, honestly.
Sorry, what was that? I said until we die. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, for sure. So how do you feel about
your current level of being connected to your
purpose in life intertwined with your career?
Honestly, I feel like I know that there's so
much. I'm still going to do but I'm really happy
in what I've done up to now and I think it really
just comes from because it's just made me feel
full because I've been able to pour into others
and I feel like that's at the core of everything
I do because you know in this economy we need
to make a living and all that fun stuff but I
think the most important thing for me is to find
ways to add value that I was looking for. So
like even with a podcast, I always wanted to
hear an accent. Like I don't even not comfort
Americans, but I don't even listen to American
podcasts because they hurt me. Like there's something
in it that just made me want to tweet. So I would
always listen to UK podcasts. So at least there
was something there and they still have that
like... Caribbean twang and all that stuff. So
it was the closest thing. Okay. So these things
kind of brought me closer, but I still felt like
I was missing something. So that's why with the
podcast, I could feel like it translates exactly
what I wanted. And I feel for a lot of people.
Yeah. There's value in that. Yeah. It's the same
thing with my necklaces, I think, say about being
so small, we forget how amazing the island is
because we automatically attribute it to being
small. Because it is small, but it's so many
other things too. It's like, with the necklaces,
it's also that conversation opener. And also
for people to remember where they come from.
Because don't get me wrong, I've said it on the
podcast, sometimes I felt like I didn't really
belong. Because my parents are... foreigners.
Oh, you mean in Saba. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So there's moments where I was like, I more love
people don't come for me, but I more love the
island than like how I felt around the people
sometimes. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, because you
know, it's kind of like in Samaritan, once you
found me, like everybody got a kind of, yeah,
pockets of people. Yeah. And in Saba, it was
more so like growing up. I didn't feel like I
fit into pockets. Yeah, because the community
is also even more smaller, more of a microcosm.
Exactly. More of just a few families that...
Exactly. And I basically had to travel for the
pockets of the family and whatnot. So I think
for me, even starting the business and everything
is kind of a way to just feel that connectedness.
So yeah, I feel like with my purpose, I just
know there's so much more. I know there's so
much more, the whole manifestation and writing
down. But so far, I'm happy with what I've done.
But the beauty and actually growing up in that
space where we're... where you feel that you
sort of had to travel outside to fit into a pocket.
It also allowed you to be flexible enough to
fit into multiple pockets. And not confine yourself
to any one given pocket. That's very true. Which
actually helps to create the... bubbly, energetic
personality. I'm gonna be so honest with you
like this whole feeling of like fulfilling my
purpose is quite new just from a place of like
I've been able to adjust my perspective yeah
to really see like how I'm operating and keep
that at my core but I think sometimes the things
that are at our core, we subconsciously operate
that way. But we don't realize that. And I think
recently, even this bubbliness, it's always been
there. Don't get me wrong. I don't know. I just
feel like I'm in a place where I'm tired from
a place of like doing so much, but I'm so happy
doing it. I don't mind being tired. Because also
I know like... So much has just started. Yeah,
so we in that phase of like, yeah, I need to
do a lot I need to make sure I'm focused I'm
not upset about it because I know that I'll have
those moments where I could relax. Yeah, right
now my purpose is like Extremely. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah. Extreme focus. Yeah. So actually tapping
back into something you mentioned earlier about
we live in a society where you have to make money.
It doesn't function without it. But then some
of the biggest fulfillments you get is from being
able to pour into others. So let's just imagine
a world where money wasn't an issue. So you had
all the money that you needed. OK. And what would
Jody Morgan be doing then? You know what to do.
I would buy an island and bring back hunter -gathering
culture. What? You know, I always talk about
this. Honestly, if I had and money wasn't a factor.
Yeah. Because don't get me wrong, technology
is great. Yeah. But I said this on the part I'm
not going to tell Siri to turn off my lights.
There's things that I just feel like I miss from
not even knowing them. So I don't know how I,
or maybe I don't miss them. I desire them from
a place of thinking, okay, maybe in this time
they felt like this because things were simpler.
So I think honestly, I would buy a really pretty
island and the people who want the red pill or
the blue pill. If you want a red pill, you could
stay in a technological era and ask ChatGPT all
the fun stuff you want to ask. So you basically
created Zion. Yeah, something like, I don't,
yeah, I never saw it like that. Because when
we talking red pill, red pill, blue pill, the
Matrix, depending on the pill you take, you either
stay in the Matrix or you come to Zion. Exactly.
And Zion definitely went back to a more hunter
and gathering type of. But I'll be so real, that's
probably something I would do. It's always something
I said from a place of like a utopia and a big
dream, but. If I do it, I wouldn't be surprised.
Just because I really love the lifestyle of community
and simplicity from a place of even what we eat.
Like I don't need to choose between 32 to two
paces. You know, just pick one, get some coconut
oil, whatever. But also just that I think the
biggest thing is community, because I feel like
now we're very individualistic. Yeah. And I think
the money aspect is what pushes us because everybody's
like, OK. they have a scarcity mindset or whatever,
or they think money is, there's a cap. And I
just feel like it's made people focus more on
getting the money than the relationships in their
life. I can't speak for everybody, but I know
this is it. So yeah, I'll get my island. We'll
play games on like every Friday or something.
Have bonfires and yeah. Sounds like an awesome
place. And I think I probably... this is going
even bigger into the utopia have islands for
like sanctuaries from different things so some
islands could have this is really big like i
don't know how much money i'm getting but it's
just not a factor it's just not a factor well
let's go so it would have like like safe spaces
for certain problems we experience in the world
like even with the schooling system yeah maybe
i would have an island where and i'm really So
like splitting this out. I just actually tapped
into one. Yeah, I never thought of this. I just
thought of the island for me and my family and
the people who want to come. Yeah, yeah. But
beyond that, I would definitely have an island
for like, because we see that as a school curriculum
and everything. It hasn't evolved that much.
Exactly. So I feel like I would create a system
that caters to everybody and the different learning
styles, but also from a place of like, you know
how we go to learn HTML, CSS, and then they give
us JavaScript and all of that. Yeah. Maybe I
don't want a JavaScript. So have a system that
can really tailor things so people could walk
in their current or swim in their current and
not have to feel like they're being shoved into
other ones. And then maybe some other islands
for like, I don't know, people who just want
to. farm Something like that And then we have
the exchanges because then the farmers they bring
the goods to us that those that are learning
the code in can then Help the farmers become
more efficient. We would have an island for podcast
We invite the farmers and the technologists as
guests we interconnected Yeah, that's how we
do. All right. So let's continue on the vibe
of the islands. So we now going back to the tiny
five square mile island of Sabre with 2 ,000
inhabitants. I've been there three times in my
life. Okay. What are your thoughts? Each time
was a magical experience. In 2018, I visited,
that year was the first year that I visited all
six islands in the same year. And what I saw
is that there's like the landscape, the people,
everything, there's a certain amount of similarities,
but each island has certain characteristics that
are very uniquely that specific island. And Saber
has the nickname the unspoiled queen. And Saber
is the island where you where you do feel the
most amount of tranquility, quietness and rest.
I don't think my personality would survive there
long enough. You would get bored quick. But definitely
ejecting and going to that and spending some
time in that is perfect. It's amazing. I always
say I want to retire in Sabre. So people always
ask me, would you move back? No hesitation, no.
I would go for like short periods of time to
do projects or whatever. But for retirement?
I would definitely go up on the hill somewhere.
Because the amount of greenery, then you have
those different moments like if it's a little
bit cloudy but then you like sitting still just
above the clouds depending on where you're at.
There's always a view. The morning dew, it's
something different. It's the only other place.
So I also lived in Dominica. okay and Sabre is
like a mini mini mini Dominica that's funny too
because we don't have beaches either yeah Dominica
only have rivers right They have beaches, but
it's not like the pearly white sand beaches.
So some of them are volcanic. Our sand is black.
Yeah, yeah. So it's more like that. Okay. So
it's not the type of beach beach island, but
it's a river island. Okay, good. You can bathe
in the river. You can drink the water. Exactly.
You can cook by the river. You put a couple of
rocks in you. You know what I find so cool? Similar
and it makes sense because they close in proximity
the Dominican and the solution accidents. Oh,
yeah one time I know when they say my girl I
know a solution with Dominica. I have to really
listen and be like, okay, it's the solution or
Dominica, which is crazy But because now every
time I go st. Martin and I talking to somebody
like you from Dominica and then it and then half
of the time out here No, st. Lucia. I like See,
I haven't visited st. Lucia yet. You would love
it. Yeah You need to go to the Bitons, go to
the volcano where you can bathe in the sulfur.
It smells like egg, but it's so nice. But even
that, both islands have a lot of similarities
in their nature because you have the sulfur springs
in Dominica as well and the rivers and all the
beauty. From what I understood, St. Lucia is
a more developed Dominica. OK, I've never been
to Dominica, but I can understand that. I find
St. Lucia quite It's quite developed. Yeah, I'm
actually going in April. Oh, awesome. Yeah. So
what's happening in April? Oh, okay. Nice. So
I'm going to go with my parents and they have
like John Legend and Bounty Killer. Yeah. Awesome.
I'm excited about that. Okay. So tapping back,
we, we, I didn't even get to ask a question,
but growing up in Saba, what was life like growing
up in Saba with? So your dad is from St. Lucia
and your mom is from Suriname. Had so much fun
growing up to be honest because I lived right
next to a park I was always outside and I was
always curious like the funny thing is I knew
There was some moments where I look back and
I was a okay I know this is when my creativity
showed because we had this big rock in the park
and that became the kitchen The rock was now
like the sink and then sometimes it will become
like the cutting area So I always had like my
imagination the acorns they would always drop
so I take them up and smash them But I was always
outside but from a place of like having fun I'm
not gonna lie not too much because my father
was quite strict Okay, but I had the balance
because my father was strict, but my mom was
less strict. She was still strict, but Not so
intense because you know Caribbean parents like
if you don't clean your room you can't you can't
leave the house Sunday morning he's coming with
his little because we had banana trees come with
his machete and my bed frame was Metal and he
would hit the machete to wake me up and he would
tell me is is nine o 'clock by eight Yeah, you
need to get up and then you know you have to
do yard work But you know, English Islands also
got a whole different dynamic. It's insane. We
make cement manually, not even with the rotator.
Because sometimes my sister and I, because I
grew up with my sister. So it's only girls he
had. So he had one boy and two girls. OK. And
I was growing up with my sister. My brother,
he was in New York and he still is in New York.
Yeah, we always used to say he wanted boys, because
we did every... I learned how to weld a muffler.
What? I don't even know how to do that. Honestly,
it's not as hard as it seems. But yeah, so growing
up, I had a good balance of like strictness from
a place of structure and fun. And I think there
was of course more leaning towards the stricter
side. Yeah. So I feel like I got a good... Yeah
foundation. Yeah, sometimes I went against it.
Yeah, I do understand it more now You know, they
always say you understand why your parents. Yeah,
I know did certain things. Yep But um, yeah in
my school period I was always bubbly but I had
that phase of not being bubbly anymore because
I think that's where Feeling out of the pockets
came in. Well, so that was then in like 14 15
16 from 12. From 12, yeah. Actually. Yeah. Because
I was also... That's when it kind of starts,
yeah. Yeah. And you know school is... Yep. Them
kids ain't nice. And I was bullied quite a bit
because I was tall. I am tall. I also had glasses.
And my mother got me the ugliest glasses that
was in the store. They was diamond glasses. And
I was like... And it made my eyes way worse because
I always took them off. when I got to school
so it was just it was very different for me yeah
but it definitely shaped me because I think the
times I was bubbly I could be present enjoy life
but the times that things got hard my skin got
thicker for sure because I feel like I did go
through quite a bit and it kind of put me in
a place of like people pleasing because you think
oh yeah they don't like me but what can I do
for them to like me so it changes that mindset
but as I came to the Netherlands it switched
back thankfully because you kind of you don't
I wouldn't even say you lose yourself you just
discover different versions of yourself yeah
but yeah growing up I just feel like I'm so grateful
to be born in the Caribbean because I think if
I look at kids in the Netherlands they don't
even go outside anymore and I know we in the
more technological era but I think the thing
that I value the most is that ability to be in
nature and it translates to how I am now because
I like to go on my morning walks and there's
like a park right by me and I just listen to
the birds talk to me. So not even with music
then on the morning walks. No and that's new
because before I would have a podcast or just
music but not even music with words like I said
on the pod it's just Beats. Yeah, I saw recently
you're talking about by neural beat However,
seven seven seven hurts. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they
just keep me calm or lo -fi But um, I Was listening
to a podcast where they said even your phone
being in your pocket could affect how present
you are So I stopped going with my phone. Oh,
wow. Yeah, and I thought I could feel the difference
in the walk, which was crazy, because I just
felt like I was more present and I just felt
lighter. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And even they
say that, like, if you're having dinner, having
your phone, even though you don't have it there
with the intention of going to be on it, just
it being there could affect how you communicate.
Engage in the... Yeah. And then they say sometimes,
like, to help. because your phone gives you dopamine.
But if you light a candle, it could give you
the similar dopamine that you get from the screen.
If you light a candle? Yeah. Okay. So if you're
having dinner and like say your phone is really
a habit you're trying to kick. Oh, I get it into
my mind. Yeah. I notice it. If you light a candle
and you have it in the middle of the table, it
helps like keep your dopamine at a place where
it's at baseline, but it doesn't make you feel
the urge. It's not spiking too much. Exactly.
I don't even know where this came about though.
I mean, it happens. Oh, the nature. Yes, I enjoy
being in nature. And growing up. Yeah. So how
would you say your Caribbean roots has influenced
your career and some of your career choices?
Well, one thing I would say, we know Caribbean
people are strong, resilient people. I really
noticed that, especially my parents. And I wouldn't
even say like, Because your parents are entrepreneurs,
right? Yes, okay, and that was one of the biggest
influences for me because Growing up and seeing
that allowed me to see it was possible for myself.
Yeah, I think that's important because sometimes
Sometimes we don't think things are possible
because we can't see it from like people in or
who look like us and this This was people who
birthed me. Yeah, so that was even a stronger
type And I think just being in the Caribbean
itself. The funny part is growing up on Sabah
it being so small influenced me to think big
because I was like I don't want to fall in the
trap of being on a small island and then continuing
to think small or thinking that I could get imposter
syndrome from being in certain rooms because
I don't think Like I'm big enough for but did
you guys travel a lot? Yeah Okay. Because it
had to come from somewhere that you would think
beyond. If you didn't really travel, then you
wouldn't really see beyond either. Exactly that.
And I think that's one of the privileges that
have shaped me more. I don't think I know. I
was even saying that. So they gifted you the
example of entrepreneurship, gifted you the example
of the world is bigger than just the tiny rock
that we live on. That's why One of my purposes
and especially a big one is to share that because
I feel like for me, being born where I was born
in itself was a privilege and just having the
ability and the means, because I wouldn't say
we was whopping or whatever, but we had the ability
to travel. And I think I'm so grateful for that
because I was saying like, when I have kids,
I would want them. To go somewhere else if they
just want to move just move somewhere else because
The lessons you get from that you can't read
about it. No, you know somebody you have to and
I think Yeah being from the Caribbean and the
ability to move out of such a small island to
such a big place that in itself Was a big just
it had a big impact on me. Yeah, and I also like
because of my parents I was very open to traveling
to other places. So like for my internship, I
went to Malaysia. Oh wow. That was insane. I
lived there for six months. And that also was
another pivotal moment because I just felt like
I was reintroducing myself to myself. Yeah. Like
even when I came to the Netherlands, a whole
new journey was made. Yeah. When I moved to Malaysia
and came back, that was a new me that came. So
yeah, I would say being from the Caribbean and
having the ability to travel beyond it. while
being on an island that you feel so limited in,
allows you to be more curious about what is limitless
in a sense. Yeah. So it also allows you to maybe
tap more into your imagination and dream up of
all the possibilities. Yeah. And I think just
being on like Saba in itself, you've seen it,
the beauty of the island. Seeing that, I think
also allows you to tap into your creativity because
there's so much to see even on those five square
miles. Yeah. So. Yeah, that. Awesome. It's really,
I never really think about these things, to be
honest. So I understand why this is now Sunside
Therapy. Sunside Therapy. I can train like that.
So if we, if we, so growing up. Then we flowing
into like those teenage years we flowing into
the 20s. Well, you haven't arrived at the 30s
is yet But along the way who would you say? who
would you say were your mentors along your journey?
So the people that really helped to guide you
or had a particular impact on the way that you
do things. And these can be people that were
like really physically in your life, but also
perhaps people that you tuned into online in
a deeper, darker place in life. That part. Well,
we know my parents for sure. I would say... They've
taught me many different things, even aside from
entrepreneurship, because they're still together.
And I feel like the one thing I loved, I saw
was like love. I think with regards to somebody
who's definitely pushed me from a place of they're
my best friend, they're my mentor, they're my
therapist, is my mom. Because we're very close
and she's just from... when I was small I always
thought wow this is a strong woman you know she
has her businesses and everything and I don't
know I just feel like that gave me a good example
of becoming a strong woman myself yeah and my
father also showed me the part of having the
support of people in your life because I'd be
like looking at him and how much he supports
my mom yeah and they support each other in general
also helped me kind of shape an example of like
the people around me because I could see how
much it could push you further. Yeah. And I would
say books have definitely mentored me. I think
some of the books I read, like, I don't know
if you read The Courage to be Disliked. No. You
would love it. I definitely think you love it
because it focuses on philosophy and that's new
territory for me. But it's such interesting territory.
And they talk a lot about like Plato. OK, he's
one of the. The philosophers, yeah. But there's
another one and he spoke about like Adlerian
psychology and how the book is basically structured.
It's a conversation between a youth and a philosopher.
Okay. And the youth has a specific like perspective
on life but it's more to the negative side. And
he tries to debunk or... Find ways to have valid
arguments against what the philosopher thinks
life is because the philosophers very life is
simple, you know Happiness is a choice. Yeah,
all of that fun stuff, but it goes deep like
they even speak about trauma and I think those
books have helped shape me from a place of one
putting into perspective things I already know
but couldn't translate and To just learning about
life from a place of even though somebody's not
talking to me I'm kind of talking to myself because
I'm reading the book in my head. Yeah, it's a
weird kind of process I have. But that and on
the most spiritual side. Yeah. I don't you probably
know Joe Dispenza. Yeah. Yeah. So I listen. I
had to think for a second. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's
the whole become supernatural stuff like that.
But just from a place of realizing how much of
our energy we could tap into and how to. kind
of shape our life around us. Yeah, that has helped
me a lot because yeah, I feel like in moments
where I felt like I was losing myself or like
I didn't have control. I leaned on that to know
that I have faith even in God and how things
are going to go. Yeah. And I don't need to be
in an energy that's continuously negative because
I'm going to continue to see things that are
negative. True. So whatever you feed. You'll
get more of so if you feed into the negativity
you'll end up with more of it exactly Feeding
into the positivity will bring more of that and
I always tell like people in my life if you wake
up and you see I'm going to see green today you
will see green and you will see more things that
are green than that are actually there but as
if you say I'm going to see red so whatever how
you choose to or What intention you set is how
your life is gonna go and that's something I'm
still grasping and understanding more. But I
would say that has mentored me in a way that
helps me, one, deal with what I'm dealing with
quite work. Because sometimes you can feel like
you're drowning, or there's not enough hours
in the day. Oh, for sure. So it helps me cope.
And that's why I say I'm ready for this nine
year. It's an inside joke. But yes, I am because
I just feel like it's going to teach me how to...
handle things because I every year my goal is
to push my limits and to see what I could do
get that evidence and Yeah, other than that is
podcast. Like I listen to diary of a CEO. Okay.
Mm -hmm. You have the one with Jay Shetty. Mm
-hmm and What his name Huberman the Huberman
lab? That's more scientific though. Oh, I don't
know that one. It talks about all the dopamine,
serotonin, the chemicals in your body. For me,
that one is more neuroscience. But that's the
curiosity in me wondering like, you know, like
serotonin is actually in your bowels. And there's
so many different facts that come from it. And
I'm like, ooh, this is interesting. Yeah. So
that mentors me in understanding myself more
from almost physical, but more chemical place.
Interesting. Yeah. It's quite different. Quite
different indeed. Wait, who have been your mentors?
I was curious. No, I'm really curious to be honest.
You know what's funny? What? Haiti asked me the
exact same question. You can tell we're apart
castles. We're apart castles. It almost the exact
same sort of flow. And then I started to answer
the question and I kind of elaborated a bit too
long and then I stopped. Oh. So I actually didn't
get... to answer the second part of the question.
Well, I answered earlier about a few to do with
the music industry, so that was in the early
days. Also, as a kid growing up, I have six sisters,
five of them are older than me, so they also
played a role in my younger years, and also my
mom as well. And then in the music industry,
I was like a big fan of Nas, Mobb Deep, Eminem.
These were the ones that I really honed into
in the beginning. And then later on, I kind of
tapped more into Jay -Z's stuff as he... retired
and came back and was like, I'm not a businessman.
I'm a businessman. So that and at that moment,
I was starting to get into my business version
of myself. So I tapped into that a bit. But then
once I transitioned away from music and more
into entrepreneurship, it actually ended up being
a couple people in different seasons. That makes
sense. Yeah. So start in the business. I started
from home. And in the spare bedroom, my wife
would go to work. She was working at the Rabobank
at the time. So she's coming home at five, six
o 'clock, like ready to just pass out on the
couch. And I'm like, yo, let's get out of the
house. Because I've been home all day. This wasn't
the time when working from home was cool, right?
Because you didn't have that much interaction
or the little coffee tents or all the different
places to go. And then I ran into one of my old
teachers that that asked me how I was doing.
I told him and I started a business very proud.
He's like, oh, how aware I say from home. Oh,
how how's that going? Yeah. And I was like, well,
it could go better. But I mean, I'm just scratching
by to afford my rent at home. So I can't afford
a rent office space yet. But then he told me,
hey, have you checked out Stripe? So that's this
area that we in. And then introduced me to a
coworking space. And at the time I never even
really knew anything about these coworkers. This
is 2011. Oh, yes. And I went there and I was
like, wow, this exists. This is awesome. Brand
new world. It cost 90 euros a month for the desk.
If only that was the case now. Now it's like
four something. Yeah, I know. Wow. But at the
time, I was like, woo, 90 euros. No, no, no.
At the time, well, if I go all the way back in
2010. Yeah, I can say this proudly now. In 2010,
well, I graduated in 2010, so more or less from
August to December was like my full time working
and I made 3 ,000 euros for that period. So basically
my first year of being an entrepreneur, I made
3 ,000 euros. So you can imagine you can't really
live off of 3 ,000 euros for the year, not for
the month people, for the year. So and then and
then in 2011 I made a bit more I think I think
eventually at the end of the year I got up to
like 15k but 15k is still below minimum wage
right so that 90 euros felt like it was it was
a leap but that was one of those first times
as an entrepreneur it was like Okay, I do want
to take this leap. Yeah Because everything in
me feels like this is the right move to make
even though I don't know where the money is going
to come from But I feel like I need to do this
and no one in my environment Would would would
tell me yes encourage me and go do this. Everyone
was encouraging me go find a job security Insurance
blah blah blah. Yeah, like like go do that. Why
are you? Here scratching around with this stuff
So that So then I ended up collaborating quite
intensely with him. Thijs, shout out if you're
seeing this. And he definitely introduced me
to a lot of things and help sort of gave me that
space to just be myself and enter this world
of business here in the south of the Netherlands.
I won't elaborate on all the others, but in different
moments, then there was someone else that introduced
me to some bigger assignments and I collaborated
together with him to serve his biggest client.
And that even led me to fly into Denmark and
other places. Then a few years later, that's
actually a funny story. So right here in this
building, I was finishing up some work that I
was doing for then another big client that we
scored. So this is about 11 years ago. And I
was feeling good. It was a Friday evening or
something. And I had like one of those Bose speakers.
And I was renting just a desk in the space at
the time. And I went outside with the Bose speaker
and I was gonna head. I don't even, was I driving?
Yeah, I had a car. Because it was also a period
with no car. But anyways, yeah, so I was playing
my music and going outside and then I saw this
this American guy I didn't know he was American
so I was just like oh let me let me turn let
me turn down the music before I'm looking to
a Negro ish right now coming out play exactly
exactly and then he's like no turn it up And
then we got to talking, like we introduced ourselves.
And then when he heard what I do, he said, oh,
well, we actually have an assignment now that
we're looking to finalize in Paris, blah, blah,
blah. Would you be interested? And in my head,
I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. Yes. And from
that moment on that ended up turning into like
a two -year trajectory of working very intensely
together. Paris, Czech Republic, Ireland. With
that though, because really this question has
been ringing in my head. Because I know my goal
is to travel. My goal is to be a nomad, you know,
get clients and travel. Was this your goal? Because
you travel a lot for what you do. Yes. Okay.
It was, but it was never... Like at the forefront
of your goal. At the forefront of the goal. At
some point, it was a wish. Yeah. It was a desire,
but my desire in the early days was just to be
self -sustainable. Understandable that that that
that was the main goal. And then at some point
it went from being self sustainable to to wanting
to share my story with my people. Yeah. So in
2011 was that when when I first actually I'm
getting distracted now because I'm like we actually
going back and forth too much. I supposed to
be asking you. This is interesting. Okay, come,
let me, 2011, let me finish it. Okay, yeah, let
me wrap that up and let me get it back to you,
Jodie. Sorry. You're on the couch. It's Jojo
Rene sitting on the couch. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Get it back to Jodie. Yeah, yeah,
we're coming, we're coming. Oh yeah, so 2011,
when I went, when I first entered that coworking
space, and I saw that, that this was possible.
Something in me triggered that I have to tell
my people that this is possible because they
don't know. They're still being forced into becoming
lawyers and doctors and accountants and these
are the boxes and nothing else is possible. We
don't know this exists. This exists. Somebody
got to tell them. It's true. So obviously in
the little community you have, you would start
to share it, invite people over, all of that
good stuff. But then by 2014, I actually started
doing some of those first presentations. what
you saw that I did in November. So in 2014, I
did like the very first version of those type
of presentations. And then from there, I continued
to do those wherever there were opportunity to
do those. And then the more I did it, and the
more I traveled, and the more I got connected,
is the more people that hears your story, more
people get interested, then you start getting
invited. Then in some cases, there's like, a
decent money involved, in other cases, just a
plane ticket. And you pay for your own stay,
your own food, et cetera. And then in those moments,
you have to choose now, how important is this
for me in my progress, in my life, in what I
find important? And in some of those, and well,
practically most of those cases, I'm like, the
most important thing for me is to actually share
the message and connect with others. And if I...
can and I'm able to do it in that moment, then
I can roll the dice on that. At some point, you
will also have to make some more. Yeah, the self
-sustaining side and stuff. Exactly. But sometimes
we see the value beyond the money, and that's
what helps. Especially if you're in a place where
you're OK, like it's not like, OK, if I take
this, I'm traveling. I got to pay for stuff,
but guys, think tight. It's more so I'm OK. and
the value that I get beyond just like a plane
ticket rather than, you know, the actual payment
is in speaking to people. So, yeah, I like that.
Okay, I was just curious. We can get back to
me. I could have helped myself. So you're 27
right now, right? Yep. So if we go back nine
years. Geez. Yeah, to the 18 -year -old Judy.
I'm trying to see where I was. I was having a
house party in my grandmother's house. In Saba.
On my 18th birthday in the Netherlands. In the
Netherlands, okay. So your grandma lived here?
Yeah. My mom and her family moved here when she
was younger. So she grew up in the Netherlands.
Oh, okay. Where she's from right now. But yeah,
the day of making 18, that's where I was. And
you had moved just a few months before that?
Yeah, so I moved to August before that. So I
made 18 in December and I moved to August before
that. Yeah. So what advice would you give that
partying young lady at grandma's house in the
Netherlands? You know you have those moments
where you call me you just go crazy You know
sorry to introduce I act because I go access
on the pod but there was need to be doing but
The you remember the gala parties that they used
to be one of them was on my birthday and And
and was was that like the last one before the
pandemic? Yeah, you was there. Yes Because you
was you was a bit while about that No, okay Because
afterwards I realized wait a minute that young
group So you saw me before we even meet, and
that's where you get, wow. I wasn't riding out
that bad. Not that bad, not that bad. But we
were staying out. But let's say for the consensus,
it was standing out. Especially because we were
staying in a hotel and we took the slippers from
the hotel. Yes, I remember all of that because
I was like, why, where the shoes gone? That was
insane. And you know when they played Clark's
by Vibes Cartel. That was it. That was wow. But
you know what that also was for me? That was
one of those transition moments because a few
years back, so that's probably before you guys
would have been at all the parties or whatever.
it would have been maybe myself and some of my
group that would be a bit extra, a bit extra.
And then a bit wild. And by that time now we
have kids, everything. So we already kind of
calmed down and they were like, wait, who is
these wild children now taking over? And I was
a child too. I think while I was making 21, I
think that was my 21st birthday or something.
But anyways, that was a good night. I enjoyed
my birthday. If I really had to go and have a
chat with 18 -year -old me, whoo. Let me really
think, because I told you I wasn't going to think
about the questions. I would really let her know
that things going to be tough at times. And sometimes
you can feel like you're not in control. But
as the part of the process of. Guess finding
yourself when you lose yourself in moments. I
think for me I used to kind of hold on to this
feeling of needing to be perfect and does not
helpful to anybody yes, you forget to be you
and Yeah, just let her know that authenticity
is Loud even when you're quiet and stay in there.
Yeah, because I think sometimes Everywhere else
especially now with social media There's so much
noise and there's so much comparison that you
could make, but really going on those walks while
you're phone or journaling could help you realize
what you want and not what you want because other
people have it. So, yeah. So quiet, all the outside
noise and tap more and more into the inner self.
Yeah, because at the end of the day, what matters
is what you think about you. that influences
how you're able to show up for yourself but also
for other people because i feel like in times
where i doubted myself or in times i was just
hard on myself i projected that onto my friends
or just the people in my life and i feel like
how you feel inside or you know how they say
people could only meet you as deep as they've
met themselves oh yeah i really i really believe
in that because even me forming a better relationship
with love in terms of self -love and just in
general, I realize how much I'm able to feel
it from other people, but also give it, because
now I have more capacity to do that. And I think
focusing on those things that are innate within
us, rather than focusing on what you're wearing
or what you have, I think that's gonna lead my
18 -year -old self in a great direction. Awesome.
Very introspective. It's all about the self.
I feel like even when the books I read they say
how It gets deep with the books I read and to
be honest one I'm listening to now is an audible
mm -hmm, and I get off track sometimes, but they
really say like You know about the energy and
stuff, but a atom for example is a wave until
you look at it So it could be an atom or something.
So the energy itself is a wave. So they have
labs or whatever where they kind of test these
things. And it doesn't become matter until you
look at it. So they kind of relate that to how
you view life, where it's like there's so many
waves going on around you. but what you focus
on becomes matter. And I think that's where I'm
so focused on self, but not from a place of what
I do for myself or the whole selfish aspect,
but more so how I show up. Self -development.
Exactly. And becoming the best self. Yeah. It
really does directly influence my life. And I
think with social media, we have a distorted...
view of what the best self is, because the best
self is now more external than internal, at least
from what I see. So I think that's why, I think
I really got pushed into this because I was so
in a place where I was more external. So I do
feel like sometimes you do have to go through
the challenges. I wouldn't say it was that bad,
but for my view, it was bad where I was like,
okay, no, I don't like how I feel, I don't like
this. So I think my coping mechanism was to self
develop. Basically. Yeah. I mean, that's a pretty
good. Yeah, at least it's not either ice cream
or something like that. I'm grateful for that
because I just feel uncomfortable. Yeah. So I
know that to get comfortable, even if it's doing
a puzzle. So so so kind of in that journey, then
a lot of it, at least from what I'm understanding,
a lot of it was. It a lot of external factors
played a big role. Throughout your teens, even
throughout the college experience. A hundred
percent. at some point then that switch came
and you started going internal and once he started
going internally started going very deep internal
because you're talking about the chemical balances,
neuroscience, I mean. It's just so interesting.
I don't know why I was really curious about it.
Yeah. But you know, the funny thing is one of
the internal activities wasn't even for me to
go internal. So I started meditating. I think
when I was I would say 20. Yeah. But it wasn't
because, oh, I wanted to be Zen. It was because
I had sleep paralysis. And I always Googled stuff
because I always have questions. Like I was telling
Claire, I question everything. And I think that's
just from a place of, I'm just curious. Yeah.
And I wanted to know how to stop it because it
was honestly the scariest thing I've ever experienced
because you're... Mind is awake, but your body's
asleep. And the mind plays games with you, because
if you're in a state of not being in control,
you become fearful. When that happens, you start
to think of things that are not there. And that's
what would happen when I would get sleep paralysis.
So I try to kind of, yeah, find ways to get rid
of it. And meditation helps a lot, because it
helps you control your mind more from a place
of everybody thinks you need to be. Your mind
needs to be blank, but that's not a case is more
so as you meditate you learn more and more how
to be more aware of your thoughts Because rather
than say standing under the waterfall you stand
behind it and observe it and I think with the
whole thing of meditating the side effect which
benefited me Was being able to be more aware.
I think that's where the whole self -development
journey Really started to accelerate. Well, that
would make sense because if you started this
at 20, then each step of the way as more things
start to unlock it also helps to create the space
to internalize those things. I just think it's
important for people to find a coping that's
not scrolling. That's not a coping mechanism.
That's an addiction. That part. Exactly that.
Sometimes I catch myself and I put the phone
way back. You know I even have a lock case for
my phone. You put it in there and you can't open
it. So I put it in. Now it's standard three hours.
And I do this thing now. I do not sleep in the
room. My phone is not in my room. And I'm not
going to lie. For anybody who's struggling, even
in the mornings or night time, they are grabbing
for the phone. Leave out a room. It gonna be
a bit tough in the beginning. Don't get me wrong.
We all are slaves to our phones. However, it's
benefited my life so much. I just have an alarm
clock, the light up one. And then birds start
chirping. And it has an artificial sun for when
it's cold and winter like now. The Phillips one?
Yeah. The Phillips Lumia or something. Yep, I
love it. That's my baby. But yeah, it really
helped me not... Actually, sorry, one of the
mentors that I mentioned, the American guy, I
believe he actually worked on that project because
he worked for Philips Design for like 20 years.
Big up him. If he's listening to this, that alarm
clock changed my life. Because if you're waking
up in darkness and you're hearing birds, it's
not the same as waking up with an artificial
sun in your room. Yeah. And you actually, and
they say, I didn't get sciencey. We have time.
So they say, you're supposed to get a specific
amount of light in the morning. so that your
circadian rhythm could reset. It could activate.
Exactly. And then the melatonin forms, well,
starts to produce again in the night when it's
supposed to. But now, because if you look at
it when we was in the woods and stuff, we had
the natural light of the sun. Now we have screens
and all of this. our circadian rhythms are all
out of yeah all out of whack and They say you're
supposed to get a hundred thousand lux so lux
is the measurement of the rays of light a Hundred
thousand nobody listen from the Sun if you go
and look at a Sun on a cloudy day Yeah, I think
it's like 30 something thousand for like five
minutes. Oh But unlike a sunny day you could
get up to a hundred thousand. I think in a ten
minute And you don't look directly at the sun
because some of the people said look directly,
that could mess up your cornea. But just being
outside and letting your body know it's daytime.
But then I'm interested in how these looks are.
Sorry, I got so upset. So on your phone. Because
I have the meter because at some point in one
of my first offices, I went with all the Hue
lighting and I thought it was cool. And then
my eyes always been pretty good. Can't relate.
Yeah, I certainly do. But then the guy was telling
me in here is too dark and this will damage your
eyes over time. And then he introduced me to
the Lux meter and showed me to... to measure
and then also in which spot. So then I added
additional light to the hue light in to basically
like fill up the room. And then the hue light
in would be there and also give it a bit of the
extra sauce. How much did it measure up to? The
first time with just the hue lights that were
in there was only like 350. Exactly. And that's
the thing with your phone is like 100 flat. So
is that thing of like we go on our phones but
there's no indication that we're awake in a place
of like for your circadian rhythm so for me what
helped was like going outside that's what started
the Huberman lab is what got me on this this
is all the science thing it just it's interesting
i might have to check out this science thing
you should it's cool it's long but it's cool
i want to thank you very very much for coming
all the way to eintje to be here with us uh today
Sorry, but y 'all are far. We're far, but we're
the technology hub of this country. I literally
know Ain't Over for Philips. Yeah. Literally.
And the cement, there's, I don't remember what
it is, but somebody invented cement that could
be remade into liquid cement. So once it dries.
Yeah, we're definitely an invention city. Yeah.
There's a particular place in the in the city
called the high tech campus I've been and that
is about one or two square kilometers And it
has the most concentration of patents filed and
approved in the entire country And I also believe
in Europe and it and it held that for quite some
years So there's been lots and like that. We
are you're right now sitting in the clock about
yep which produced Philips lights over a hundred
years ago, like about a hundred years ago. And
just across the street, the DVD was invented,
the CD was invented. That is crazy. A lot of
things were invented right here in this particular
region. So it holds a lot of history. Exactly.
But even the first time I came here was for a
Ted Talk. Oh, wow. I just feel like I ain't over
it. And the first Ted Talk was a girl who...
invented a car from reusable material and it
also runs on like water or something. It was
insane. And I was like, wow. So they probably
came from the TU, from the Technical University.
Oh, that's the one I went to. Yeah. I had a minor
there. But thank you for having me. I really
enjoyed this. Our first Saban. I'm glad I could,
you know. Hold the baton, what did it say? Yeah,
yeah, pass the baton. It's passed the baton,
but I changed it. You're holding the baton. I'm
holding it now, guys. Yeah, because you can't
pass it yet. We need the next Saban before you
can pass it to them. And I hope you get another
Saban, because I feel like our voices need to
definitely be out there. But then you'll have
to let me know which Sabans fit the criteria.
For sure. But we'll talk about that afterwards.
Off camera. Oh yeah, also thank you for inviting
me to you guys' show. The live show was amazing.
I had a wonderful time. We documented some of
the experience behind the scenes. I can't wait
to see the footage. And I think that's definitely
going to be lit too. Yeah, I think it was a really
great addition. Just from a place of being an
OG for one. Because we noticed there was a good...
contrast between everybody who is on the stage
because you had the creative, you had the more
technical, and you had just an expression that
is more physical. Yeah. And I think all of y
'all just came with a beauty in just what y 'all
were saying, especially with you and your analysis
paralysis. That's my motto for the night from
what you say. I know analysis paralysis. I'm
like, yeah, you know what you're talking about.
So we did appreciate you coming on. And just
also the full circle moment of now we on your
part. You know you coming to the studio. 100%.
For sure. I think we got lots of awesome, amazing
stuff to do in the future. Yeah, I'm excited.
Awesome. I hope, are you ready? Are you guys
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so much fun. Oh my gosh.