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At just 17 years old, Jodie Morgan moves into

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the Netherlands to chase her dream of entrepreneurship.

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But her journey doesn't stop there. From designing

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personalized face masks. And that went really

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well, but it was a challenge because I was also

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doing my thesis. Now a co -founder and host of

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the Bite the Bullet podcast. I've said it on

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the podcast, sometimes I felt like I didn't really

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belong because my parents are foreigners. Born

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on the beautiful island of Saba. When people

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meet me, they're always like, what is Saba? And

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still to this day. Not weary Saba, what is Saba?

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That's what shook me. They're not even going

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to give me the respect of saying well. She uses

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her platform to amplify voices. I don't. I don't

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want to fall in the trap of being on a small

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island and then continuing to think small. One

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of my purposes, and especially a big one, is

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to share that. I never really think about these

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things, to be honest, so I understand why this

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is now Sunside Therapy. Welcome, Jody. That was

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so lovely. And actually, I think we also set

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this in the invitation that our podcast aims

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to highlight amazing individuals from the Dutch

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Caribbean, all six islands, including Suriname.

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And now we have finally completed that mission

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because we have our first Saban on the podcast.

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Even when I say I'm from Saber, a lot of people

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say, you're the first Saber I met. Yeah. So I'm

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happy to bless the studio and the podcast. So

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thank you for having me. I'm not going to lie.

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My cheeks was hurting when you was talking because

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I was like, you know, I sent some information,

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but wow, that was a great introduction. Awesome.

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Awesome. Thank you. So, um, Jody in 2025. So

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can I say Jodi or do I have to say Jojo Rini?

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Okay, okay. I explained the Jojo Rini in a bit.

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So who is Jodi Morgan in 2025 and what are some

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of her accomplishments over the last two, three

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years? Okay. I think Jodi Morgan in 2025 is definitely

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somebody who's excited about life, especially

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from this year because there's a lot in store.

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And she's somebody who's I feel weird talking

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about myself in the third person. I am somebody

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who's creative, and I feel like that's at the

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forefront of my life, just in terms of what I'm

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doing in my career. I'm a bit curious and quirky,

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so I know odd things, but I think it helps in

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life, and I feel like I've built myself. to where

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I am from like the businesses I started because

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I started Masquerade that was the name of the

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mask business okay for the pandemic and it was

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basically printing Caribbean flags on face masks

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oh you know we're very patriotic yeah yeah yeah

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but what I did was like a twist and put the flag

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in the shape of the country or island. And that

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ran really well, but it was a challenge because

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I was also doing my thesis, my bachelor's. And

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I was working because, you know, duo, I thought

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duo was stopping because I wasn't going to go

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do my master's. Yeah. But then I was like, OK,

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I'm going to do a master's. So I still kind of

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had that pressure in the moment of like, OK,

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after this duo is done, you know, I need to make

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sure I'm set. Yeah. But yeah. And then I also

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started peak jewelry. That was before peak consultancy.

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And that's this necklace. It's basically Sabre.

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Because I feel like a lot of people say when...

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Oh, nice. Now I see. Yeah. People thought I was

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an M because my last name was Morgan. But it's

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the mountain. But for me, it was important because

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when people meet me, they're always like, what

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is Sabre? And still to this day... Not wear a

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Sabre. What is Sabre? That's what shook me. They're

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not even going to give me the respect of saying,

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oh, what island is that? No, what is that? So

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for me, it's like, you want to see it straight

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up. I can just point to that. So that's where

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I continued. And I think that was my coping mechanism

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a little bit, being away from the island. Because

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you're away from home. And don't get me wrong,

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I love the big city life. Like, say it was five

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square miles. So it was, I wasn't planning to

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go. Yeah, 2 ,000 people, guys. Everybody know

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your business. But yeah, and then peak consultancy

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was a way for me to get out of the 95. I always

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knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur, but there

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was moments where I was like, okay, let me try

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something steady, but also get experience. So

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I started a job at Stradivarius. That's one of,

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you know, like Zara and Bershka. It's one of

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the sisters. And I quickly became manager, which

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was crazy. And I manifested that I was telling,

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in my previous podcast, I was telling her, I

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wrote on a piece of paper, like, I'm so happy

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in my job, my team loves me. Up to this day,

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I can't find a piece of paper. Oh, wow. But it

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materialized because when I started, it was like

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the aim was to do part time. So I can work on

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peak consultancy and build that up so that I

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could just rely on that. But three months later,

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they were like, OK, we want you to be a manager.

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Oh, wow. Yeah, because this was my first job.

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And how old are you at this point? When was that?

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I was 23. Oh wow. Yeah, because this was my first

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proper I would say full -time job because I was

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doing little jobs like in hospitality and stuff,

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but this was quite big for me. But the craziest

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part is we had a team of 32 and there was three

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managers and I was becoming the third. But when

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I became a manager the two other managers got

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COVID. Oh shit. So it's like taking me and just

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flinging me in the deep end like no no life jacket

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anything, but I'm I Water Metro everything but

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it taught me a lot quickly And I was able to

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kind of get out of the 95 quicker than I think

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I would have if I didn't have that experience

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, then I started pick

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consultancy. It was really with the aim of Bringing

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that modern culture that we have here with technology

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and just knowing how to automate things and use

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systems. Yeah and Merging it with a Caribbean

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culture because we could be a bit stubborn. You

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know when we do stuff how we do stuff Yeah, so

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I just want to see how I could like add to that

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And yeah, and then started bite the bullet with

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the lovely Haiti. And now Kristen has joined

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the team and it's honestly in a place I didn't

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expect it to be so quickly. Now you guys have

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a mini, mini Avengers moment. The lady Avengers.

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Yeah, you go get your Funko Pops. Yeah. Sorry

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for the interruption, but. Please like, comment

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So we can get this content out to more people

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that definitely need inspiration, motivation

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and that mindset shift to elevate them to the

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best versions of themselves. Thank you. Checking

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in, checking out from the sunny side of the kingdom.

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Bless. So if you look at the past two, three

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years and then... What was actually, let's tap

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into one or two of the big most surprising moments

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that happened in things that you achieved? I

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would say one was a negative, which I think is

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good to touch on. Whereas like the first, the

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masquerade company that I started for the pandemic,

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a surprising thing for me was how quickly relationships

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could like explode or just and and this is like

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intimate relationships or friendship relationships

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business relationship those friends that you

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consider family because I started it with a friend

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and things went left okay I think for me that

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was a learning point to realize that things could

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really the rug could be pulled out from oh yeah

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yeah and I think that was pivotal for me also

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from a place of like worrying what other people

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think that has helped me to become more Guess

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not on a yeah unapologetic and what I do Yeah

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also being aware of how it impacts other people

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because that's also something that's really important

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to me and then I would say Another one is Really

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being able to stay connected to home while not

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being home and finding a way to do that Yeah,

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I don't think everybody is Able to do it. Yeah,

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just based on the industry. You're also in. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah because for me my main thing now is

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graphic design and you could do that from abroad.

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It's technology, and you kind of find a way to

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take advantage of what it could offer. So I think

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for me, that is, yeah, a big thing for my achievements.

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Awesome. Yeah. My mother was telling me, even

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when I was writing up my information, she was

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like, make sure you include your school. I was

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like, because I never really... Like, even when

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people ask me about what I've achieved, I never

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really include, like, the whole masters and bachelors.

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I don't know why. For me, it's like, okay, I've

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achieved it and I'm happy. But everything else

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that I've achieved kind of trumps it from a place

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of, like... I understand exactly what you mean.

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Yeah. And do you feel like both the masters and

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the bachelors that you did it 100 % for yourself?

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No. Oh, this is the therapy part. I don't think

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so. I think, especially with my parents growing

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up. Yeah, I said it on a live show. They always

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push me to achieve great things. And I think

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it's helped me so much. But I think at times,

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some things just came from a place of this is

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the social construct or this is what you're expected

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to do. moving more in my purpose, I realized

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things kind of went in a different direction,

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but they went in the direction they're supposed

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to go. Because I did learn from my degrees, don't

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get me wrong. But everything I've learned, especially

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now, majority of it, comes from just... taking

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that big leap. Yeah. And then sort of the self

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-interest, self -discovery, et cetera. So while

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the degrees are an accomplishment, they are nice.

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They hold a certain value. But for you personally,

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the more weight gets put on the things that you

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truly find important. Yeah. Yeah. So I had actually

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a similar experience. Yeah. So I There were different

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points where I wanted to, where I was contemplating

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quitting school, but from also the social construct

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of the family, I never quite gave up on it. In

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the end, I'm still happy that I went ahead and

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I finished, but I also know that the path could

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have gone different or I could have maybe tapped

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into certain things a bit earlier and build up

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that momentum while you're still young and got

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all the energy. Exactly that, and you're taking

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risks and all that fun stuff. But what did you

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study? So I started off with information technology.

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So hardcore coding. I very quickly realized that

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that was not for me. It was an international

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study. So out of a class of like 20 something

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students, there were only three 18 year olds.

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Everyone else was like ranging between 18 to

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30. And I mean, at that time, I was like 30 you

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old. I mean, I'm 40 now. So it's not that old.

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It's really not that old. As I got older, I realized

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old is not that old. Yeah, yeah, old is not that

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old. But there was this moment in one of these

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international student housings, and one of my

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classmates from China. I remember seeing him

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going into the bathroom with his Java book, and

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Java is a coding language. And it was like a

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whole hour later that he came out, and I was

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like... He studied in the bathroom? I guess he

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took a long time on the Trone and was figuring

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out all this Java code. And I was like, if it

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takes this amount of dedication for me to become

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a programmer, I don't want this. I think that's

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doable. JavaScript. That's doable. JavaScript.

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Because that was actually the trigger for me

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in that study. In that first year, I either failed

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or barely passed or just passed. But then I got

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a nine and a half for web design. So when I was

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learning CSS and HTML. And the reason why is

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because I could create things visually and I

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just needed to do some basic coding to make it

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look like something. And then that was fun. So

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then I really wanted to do that. So then I made

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a switch two years into ICT media design, which

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is a combination of HTML, CSS, PHP, back then,

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programming, design, graphic design, visual design,

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et cetera, and communication. So also like...

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Yeah, communicating, knowing how to communicate

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things. So this is an era before social media.

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Yeah. An era before the first iPhone came out.

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So I was in my study during the time of the iPhone

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being released and then the App Store coming

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into existence. That's where all the OG stuff

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comes in. Yeah. That's interesting. I feel like

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with the web design and graphic design, that

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was one of the biggest leaps I took because I

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never did it. Yeah. even when I decided to quit

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my job, I kind of did that in a place of like,

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now I have to force myself to kind of learn,

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but also because I knew I loved it. Like I love

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design or just putting things together or just

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even the whole color theory of stuff, it interests

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me. So I saw that I could do this and I could

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continue to do it. So you do the graphic work

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for the podcast as well? I do quite a lot of

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graphic work, yeah. Like in the first logo we

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had, I drew that. So yeah. That was kind of a

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proof of concept for me. You know you have those

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moments where you know your potential, but you

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need the evidence. Your brain needs to reaffirm

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like, okay, my potential's up here, but can I

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see it? And that was one of the first things

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that really had me like, ooh, I could do this.

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With the web design, I built a website, and that

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was another evidence, but. With a podcast, I

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feel like my creative playground has definitely

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gotten bigger and I'm learning a lot more. Yeah.

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Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. So let me tap into some

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of my questions. Let's get it. I'm ready. So

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we talked about the journey of school and then

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sort of rediscovering the person that you are

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and You're probably still on that journey of

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discovery right now. Until we die, honestly.

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Sorry, what was that? I said until we die. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, for sure. So how do you feel about

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your current level of being connected to your

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purpose in life intertwined with your career?

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Honestly, I feel like I know that there's so

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much. I'm still going to do but I'm really happy

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in what I've done up to now and I think it really

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just comes from because it's just made me feel

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full because I've been able to pour into others

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and I feel like that's at the core of everything

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I do because you know in this economy we need

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to make a living and all that fun stuff but I

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think the most important thing for me is to find

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ways to add value that I was looking for. So

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like even with a podcast, I always wanted to

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hear an accent. Like I don't even not comfort

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Americans, but I don't even listen to American

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podcasts because they hurt me. Like there's something

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in it that just made me want to tweet. So I would

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always listen to UK podcasts. So at least there

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was something there and they still have that

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like... Caribbean twang and all that stuff. So

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it was the closest thing. Okay. So these things

00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:13.779
kind of brought me closer, but I still felt like

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I was missing something. So that's why with the

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podcast, I could feel like it translates exactly

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what I wanted. And I feel for a lot of people.

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Yeah. There's value in that. Yeah. It's the same

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thing with my necklaces, I think, say about being

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so small, we forget how amazing the island is

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because we automatically attribute it to being

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small. Because it is small, but it's so many

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other things too. It's like, with the necklaces,

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it's also that conversation opener. And also

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for people to remember where they come from.

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Because don't get me wrong, I've said it on the

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podcast, sometimes I felt like I didn't really

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belong. Because my parents are... foreigners.

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Oh, you mean in Saba. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So there's moments where I was like, I more love

00:18:02.609 --> 00:18:05.069
people don't come for me, but I more love the

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island than like how I felt around the people

00:18:07.430 --> 00:18:09.150
sometimes. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, because you

00:18:09.150 --> 00:18:11.789
know, it's kind of like in Samaritan, once you

00:18:11.789 --> 00:18:15.289
found me, like everybody got a kind of, yeah,

00:18:15.529 --> 00:18:18.089
pockets of people. Yeah. And in Saba, it was

00:18:18.089 --> 00:18:20.690
more so like growing up. I didn't feel like I

00:18:20.690 --> 00:18:24.309
fit into pockets. Yeah, because the community

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is also even more smaller, more of a microcosm.

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Exactly. More of just a few families that...

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Exactly. And I basically had to travel for the

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pockets of the family and whatnot. So I think

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for me, even starting the business and everything

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is kind of a way to just feel that connectedness.

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So yeah, I feel like with my purpose, I just

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know there's so much more. I know there's so

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much more, the whole manifestation and writing

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down. But so far, I'm happy with what I've done.

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But the beauty and actually growing up in that

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space where we're... where you feel that you

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sort of had to travel outside to fit into a pocket.

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It also allowed you to be flexible enough to

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fit into multiple pockets. And not confine yourself

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to any one given pocket. That's very true. Which

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actually helps to create the... bubbly, energetic

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personality. I'm gonna be so honest with you

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like this whole feeling of like fulfilling my

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purpose is quite new just from a place of like

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I've been able to adjust my perspective yeah

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to really see like how I'm operating and keep

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that at my core but I think sometimes the things

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that are at our core, we subconsciously operate

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that way. But we don't realize that. And I think

00:20:05.289 --> 00:20:07.349
recently, even this bubbliness, it's always been

00:20:07.349 --> 00:20:10.369
there. Don't get me wrong. I don't know. I just

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feel like I'm in a place where I'm tired from

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a place of like doing so much, but I'm so happy

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doing it. I don't mind being tired. Because also

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I know like... So much has just started. Yeah,

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so we in that phase of like, yeah, I need to

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do a lot I need to make sure I'm focused I'm

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not upset about it because I know that I'll have

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those moments where I could relax. Yeah, right

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now my purpose is like Extremely. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah. Extreme focus. Yeah. So actually tapping

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back into something you mentioned earlier about

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we live in a society where you have to make money.

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It doesn't function without it. But then some

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of the biggest fulfillments you get is from being

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able to pour into others. So let's just imagine

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a world where money wasn't an issue. So you had

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all the money that you needed. OK. And what would

00:21:01.210 --> 00:21:04.480
Jody Morgan be doing then? You know what to do.

00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:07.619
I would buy an island and bring back hunter -gathering

00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:13.420
culture. What? You know, I always talk about

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this. Honestly, if I had and money wasn't a factor.

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Yeah. Because don't get me wrong, technology

00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.680
is great. Yeah. But I said this on the part I'm

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not going to tell Siri to turn off my lights.

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There's things that I just feel like I miss from

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not even knowing them. So I don't know how I,

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or maybe I don't miss them. I desire them from

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a place of thinking, okay, maybe in this time

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they felt like this because things were simpler.

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So I think honestly, I would buy a really pretty

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island and the people who want the red pill or

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the blue pill. If you want a red pill, you could

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stay in a technological era and ask ChatGPT all

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the fun stuff you want to ask. So you basically

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created Zion. Yeah, something like, I don't,

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yeah, I never saw it like that. Because when

00:22:00.470 --> 00:22:03.829
we talking red pill, red pill, blue pill, the

00:22:03.829 --> 00:22:06.430
Matrix, depending on the pill you take, you either

00:22:06.430 --> 00:22:09.369
stay in the Matrix or you come to Zion. Exactly.

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And Zion definitely went back to a more hunter

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and gathering type of. But I'll be so real, that's

00:22:17.789 --> 00:22:20.369
probably something I would do. It's always something

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I said from a place of like a utopia and a big

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dream, but. If I do it, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Just because I really love the lifestyle of community

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and simplicity from a place of even what we eat.

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Like I don't need to choose between 32 to two

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paces. You know, just pick one, get some coconut

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oil, whatever. But also just that I think the

00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:45.119
biggest thing is community, because I feel like

00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:47.500
now we're very individualistic. Yeah. And I think

00:22:47.500 --> 00:22:50.140
the money aspect is what pushes us because everybody's

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like, OK. they have a scarcity mindset or whatever,

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or they think money is, there's a cap. And I

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just feel like it's made people focus more on

00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:03.660
getting the money than the relationships in their

00:23:03.660 --> 00:23:06.579
life. I can't speak for everybody, but I know

00:23:06.579 --> 00:23:09.460
this is it. So yeah, I'll get my island. We'll

00:23:09.460 --> 00:23:11.359
play games on like every Friday or something.

00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.500
Have bonfires and yeah. Sounds like an awesome

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place. And I think I probably... this is going

00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:21.299
even bigger into the utopia have islands for

00:23:21.299 --> 00:23:24.859
like sanctuaries from different things so some

00:23:24.859 --> 00:23:26.700
islands could have this is really big like i

00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:28.440
don't know how much money i'm getting but it's

00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:31.039
just not a factor it's just not a factor well

00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:35.660
let's go so it would have like like safe spaces

00:23:35.660 --> 00:23:38.359
for certain problems we experience in the world

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like even with the schooling system yeah maybe

00:23:40.900 --> 00:23:44.639
i would have an island where and i'm really So

00:23:44.639 --> 00:23:47.400
like splitting this out. I just actually tapped

00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.539
into one. Yeah, I never thought of this. I just

00:23:49.539 --> 00:23:51.259
thought of the island for me and my family and

00:23:51.259 --> 00:23:53.039
the people who want to come. Yeah, yeah. But

00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:54.839
beyond that, I would definitely have an island

00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:58.039
for like, because we see that as a school curriculum

00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:00.779
and everything. It hasn't evolved that much.

00:24:00.779 --> 00:24:04.779
Exactly. So I feel like I would create a system

00:24:04.779 --> 00:24:07.019
that caters to everybody and the different learning

00:24:07.019 --> 00:24:09.980
styles, but also from a place of like, you know

00:24:09.980 --> 00:24:12.140
how we go to learn HTML, CSS, and then they give

00:24:12.140 --> 00:24:14.769
us JavaScript and all of that. Yeah. Maybe I

00:24:14.769 --> 00:24:18.309
don't want a JavaScript. So have a system that

00:24:18.309 --> 00:24:21.089
can really tailor things so people could walk

00:24:21.089 --> 00:24:24.690
in their current or swim in their current and

00:24:24.690 --> 00:24:26.690
not have to feel like they're being shoved into

00:24:26.690 --> 00:24:29.690
other ones. And then maybe some other islands

00:24:29.690 --> 00:24:31.809
for like, I don't know, people who just want

00:24:31.809 --> 00:24:36.559
to. farm Something like that And then we have

00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.640
the exchanges because then the farmers they bring

00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:40.740
the goods to us that those that are learning

00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:43.440
the code in can then Help the farmers become

00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:45.960
more efficient. We would have an island for podcast

00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:55.000
We invite the farmers and the technologists as

00:24:55.000 --> 00:25:03.990
guests we interconnected Yeah, that's how we

00:25:03.990 --> 00:25:06.130
do. All right. So let's continue on the vibe

00:25:06.130 --> 00:25:09.250
of the islands. So we now going back to the tiny

00:25:09.250 --> 00:25:12.529
five square mile island of Sabre with 2 ,000

00:25:12.529 --> 00:25:16.829
inhabitants. I've been there three times in my

00:25:16.829 --> 00:25:20.630
life. Okay. What are your thoughts? Each time

00:25:20.630 --> 00:25:30.769
was a magical experience. In 2018, I visited,

00:25:30.869 --> 00:25:33.549
that year was the first year that I visited all

00:25:33.549 --> 00:25:38.549
six islands in the same year. And what I saw

00:25:38.549 --> 00:25:42.809
is that there's like the landscape, the people,

00:25:43.009 --> 00:25:46.849
everything, there's a certain amount of similarities,

00:25:47.049 --> 00:25:51.509
but each island has certain characteristics that

00:25:51.509 --> 00:25:57.799
are very uniquely that specific island. And Saber

00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:02.960
has the nickname the unspoiled queen. And Saber

00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:07.500
is the island where you where you do feel the

00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:13.240
most amount of tranquility, quietness and rest.

00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.339
I don't think my personality would survive there

00:26:18.339 --> 00:26:22.940
long enough. You would get bored quick. But definitely

00:26:22.940 --> 00:26:26.440
ejecting and going to that and spending some

00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:30.559
time in that is perfect. It's amazing. I always

00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.720
say I want to retire in Sabre. So people always

00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.400
ask me, would you move back? No hesitation, no.

00:26:36.700 --> 00:26:39.160
I would go for like short periods of time to

00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:41.680
do projects or whatever. But for retirement?

00:26:42.109 --> 00:26:45.289
I would definitely go up on the hill somewhere.

00:26:46.230 --> 00:26:51.250
Because the amount of greenery, then you have

00:26:51.250 --> 00:26:53.170
those different moments like if it's a little

00:26:53.170 --> 00:26:55.490
bit cloudy but then you like sitting still just

00:26:55.490 --> 00:26:57.650
above the clouds depending on where you're at.

00:26:57.650 --> 00:27:03.490
There's always a view. The morning dew, it's

00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:07.150
something different. It's the only other place.

00:27:08.210 --> 00:27:13.819
So I also lived in Dominica. okay and Sabre is

00:27:13.819 --> 00:27:17.700
like a mini mini mini Dominica that's funny too

00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:19.980
because we don't have beaches either yeah Dominica

00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:24.359
only have rivers right They have beaches, but

00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:26.480
it's not like the pearly white sand beaches.

00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:29.539
So some of them are volcanic. Our sand is black.

00:27:29.700 --> 00:27:32.779
Yeah, yeah. So it's more like that. Okay. So

00:27:32.779 --> 00:27:36.779
it's not the type of beach beach island, but

00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:39.480
it's a river island. Okay, good. You can bathe

00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:42.019
in the river. You can drink the water. Exactly.

00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:44.880
You can cook by the river. You put a couple of

00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.440
rocks in you. You know what I find so cool? Similar

00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.279
and it makes sense because they close in proximity

00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.680
the Dominican and the solution accidents. Oh,

00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:54.740
yeah one time I know when they say my girl I

00:27:54.740 --> 00:27:57.779
know a solution with Dominica. I have to really

00:27:57.779 --> 00:27:59.680
listen and be like, okay, it's the solution or

00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.900
Dominica, which is crazy But because now every

00:28:02.900 --> 00:28:05.019
time I go st. Martin and I talking to somebody

00:28:05.019 --> 00:28:08.400
like you from Dominica and then it and then half

00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.200
of the time out here No, st. Lucia. I like See,

00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:14.440
I haven't visited st. Lucia yet. You would love

00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:18.160
it. Yeah You need to go to the Bitons, go to

00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.480
the volcano where you can bathe in the sulfur.

00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:25.619
It smells like egg, but it's so nice. But even

00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:29.019
that, both islands have a lot of similarities

00:28:29.019 --> 00:28:31.400
in their nature because you have the sulfur springs

00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.859
in Dominica as well and the rivers and all the

00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:38.039
beauty. From what I understood, St. Lucia is

00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.900
a more developed Dominica. OK, I've never been

00:28:40.900 --> 00:28:43.880
to Dominica, but I can understand that. I find

00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.920
St. Lucia quite It's quite developed. Yeah, I'm

00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.559
actually going in April. Oh, awesome. Yeah. So

00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.819
what's happening in April? Oh, okay. Nice. So

00:28:52.819 --> 00:28:54.799
I'm going to go with my parents and they have

00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.680
like John Legend and Bounty Killer. Yeah. Awesome.

00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.240
I'm excited about that. Okay. So tapping back,

00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:02.299
we, we, I didn't even get to ask a question,

00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.119
but growing up in Saba, what was life like growing

00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:11.799
up in Saba with? So your dad is from St. Lucia

00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:16.829
and your mom is from Suriname. Had so much fun

00:29:16.829 --> 00:29:18.390
growing up to be honest because I lived right

00:29:18.390 --> 00:29:21.849
next to a park I was always outside and I was

00:29:21.849 --> 00:29:24.589
always curious like the funny thing is I knew

00:29:24.589 --> 00:29:26.470
There was some moments where I look back and

00:29:26.470 --> 00:29:28.569
I was a okay I know this is when my creativity

00:29:28.569 --> 00:29:31.930
showed because we had this big rock in the park

00:29:31.930 --> 00:29:35.930
and that became the kitchen The rock was now

00:29:35.930 --> 00:29:38.650
like the sink and then sometimes it will become

00:29:38.650 --> 00:29:41.069
like the cutting area So I always had like my

00:29:41.069 --> 00:29:43.549
imagination the acorns they would always drop

00:29:43.549 --> 00:29:48.190
so I take them up and smash them But I was always

00:29:48.190 --> 00:29:51.210
outside but from a place of like having fun I'm

00:29:51.210 --> 00:29:52.809
not gonna lie not too much because my father

00:29:52.809 --> 00:29:55.890
was quite strict Okay, but I had the balance

00:29:55.890 --> 00:29:58.470
because my father was strict, but my mom was

00:29:58.470 --> 00:30:02.000
less strict. She was still strict, but Not so

00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.079
intense because you know Caribbean parents like

00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.740
if you don't clean your room you can't you can't

00:30:05.740 --> 00:30:08.880
leave the house Sunday morning he's coming with

00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.859
his little because we had banana trees come with

00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:13.960
his machete and my bed frame was Metal and he

00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:16.099
would hit the machete to wake me up and he would

00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:21.400
tell me is is nine o 'clock by eight Yeah, you

00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.140
need to get up and then you know you have to

00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:26.359
do yard work But you know, English Islands also

00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.380
got a whole different dynamic. It's insane. We

00:30:30.380 --> 00:30:34.660
make cement manually, not even with the rotator.

00:30:35.660 --> 00:30:38.359
Because sometimes my sister and I, because I

00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.880
grew up with my sister. So it's only girls he

00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.819
had. So he had one boy and two girls. OK. And

00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:46.819
I was growing up with my sister. My brother,

00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.039
he was in New York and he still is in New York.

00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.299
Yeah, we always used to say he wanted boys, because

00:30:55.299 --> 00:30:58.039
we did every... I learned how to weld a muffler.

00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.140
What? I don't even know how to do that. Honestly,

00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:04.660
it's not as hard as it seems. But yeah, so growing

00:31:04.660 --> 00:31:09.380
up, I had a good balance of like strictness from

00:31:09.380 --> 00:31:13.599
a place of structure and fun. And I think there

00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:15.960
was of course more leaning towards the stricter

00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.620
side. Yeah. So I feel like I got a good... Yeah

00:31:19.620 --> 00:31:22.019
foundation. Yeah, sometimes I went against it.

00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:23.940
Yeah, I do understand it more now You know, they

00:31:23.940 --> 00:31:26.099
always say you understand why your parents. Yeah,

00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:31.579
I know did certain things. Yep But um, yeah in

00:31:31.579 --> 00:31:35.619
my school period I was always bubbly but I had

00:31:35.619 --> 00:31:37.740
that phase of not being bubbly anymore because

00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:40.180
I think that's where Feeling out of the pockets

00:31:40.180 --> 00:31:44.440
came in. Well, so that was then in like 14 15

00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:49.369
16 from 12. From 12, yeah. Actually. Yeah. Because

00:31:49.369 --> 00:31:50.849
I was also... That's when it kind of starts,

00:31:51.009 --> 00:31:53.589
yeah. Yeah. And you know school is... Yep. Them

00:31:53.589 --> 00:31:56.170
kids ain't nice. And I was bullied quite a bit

00:31:56.170 --> 00:31:59.210
because I was tall. I am tall. I also had glasses.

00:31:59.809 --> 00:32:01.750
And my mother got me the ugliest glasses that

00:32:01.750 --> 00:32:05.109
was in the store. They was diamond glasses. And

00:32:05.109 --> 00:32:07.289
I was like... And it made my eyes way worse because

00:32:07.289 --> 00:32:09.900
I always took them off. when I got to school

00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:13.240
so it was just it was very different for me yeah

00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.660
but it definitely shaped me because I think the

00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:18.799
times I was bubbly I could be present enjoy life

00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:22.099
but the times that things got hard my skin got

00:32:22.099 --> 00:32:24.700
thicker for sure because I feel like I did go

00:32:24.700 --> 00:32:27.039
through quite a bit and it kind of put me in

00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.059
a place of like people pleasing because you think

00:32:29.059 --> 00:32:31.099
oh yeah they don't like me but what can I do

00:32:31.099 --> 00:32:34.000
for them to like me so it changes that mindset

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.049
but as I came to the Netherlands it switched

00:32:37.049 --> 00:32:39.690
back thankfully because you kind of you don't

00:32:39.690 --> 00:32:41.430
I wouldn't even say you lose yourself you just

00:32:41.430 --> 00:32:43.650
discover different versions of yourself yeah

00:32:43.650 --> 00:32:48.430
but yeah growing up I just feel like I'm so grateful

00:32:48.430 --> 00:32:50.549
to be born in the Caribbean because I think if

00:32:50.549 --> 00:32:55.410
I look at kids in the Netherlands they don't

00:32:55.410 --> 00:32:57.230
even go outside anymore and I know we in the

00:32:57.230 --> 00:32:59.309
more technological era but I think the thing

00:32:59.500 --> 00:33:02.559
that I value the most is that ability to be in

00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.319
nature and it translates to how I am now because

00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.359
I like to go on my morning walks and there's

00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.000
like a park right by me and I just listen to

00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.000
the birds talk to me. So not even with music

00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.119
then on the morning walks. No and that's new

00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.960
because before I would have a podcast or just

00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.799
music but not even music with words like I said

00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.500
on the pod it's just Beats. Yeah, I saw recently

00:33:23.500 --> 00:33:27.380
you're talking about by neural beat However,

00:33:27.380 --> 00:33:30.460
seven seven seven hurts. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they

00:33:30.460 --> 00:33:37.200
just keep me calm or lo -fi But um, I Was listening

00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.200
to a podcast where they said even your phone

00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:42.279
being in your pocket could affect how present

00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.940
you are So I stopped going with my phone. Oh,

00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.240
wow. Yeah, and I thought I could feel the difference

00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.160
in the walk, which was crazy, because I just

00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.140
felt like I was more present and I just felt

00:33:54.140 --> 00:33:58.119
lighter. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And even they

00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.640
say that, like, if you're having dinner, having

00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.859
your phone, even though you don't have it there

00:34:03.859 --> 00:34:06.480
with the intention of going to be on it, just

00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.119
it being there could affect how you communicate.

00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.480
Engage in the... Yeah. And then they say sometimes,

00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.809
like, to help. because your phone gives you dopamine.

00:34:17.090 --> 00:34:18.829
But if you light a candle, it could give you

00:34:18.829 --> 00:34:20.650
the similar dopamine that you get from the screen.

00:34:21.190 --> 00:34:23.389
If you light a candle? Yeah. Okay. So if you're

00:34:23.389 --> 00:34:25.250
having dinner and like say your phone is really

00:34:25.250 --> 00:34:27.710
a habit you're trying to kick. Oh, I get it into

00:34:27.710 --> 00:34:32.469
my mind. Yeah. I notice it. If you light a candle

00:34:32.469 --> 00:34:34.309
and you have it in the middle of the table, it

00:34:34.309 --> 00:34:37.690
helps like keep your dopamine at a place where

00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:40.429
it's at baseline, but it doesn't make you feel

00:34:40.429 --> 00:34:42.050
the urge. It's not spiking too much. Exactly.

00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:44.659
I don't even know where this came about though.

00:34:44.739 --> 00:34:48.000
I mean, it happens. Oh, the nature. Yes, I enjoy

00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:53.599
being in nature. And growing up. Yeah. So how

00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:58.480
would you say your Caribbean roots has influenced

00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.539
your career and some of your career choices?

00:35:02.219 --> 00:35:03.659
Well, one thing I would say, we know Caribbean

00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:07.280
people are strong, resilient people. I really

00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.039
noticed that, especially my parents. And I wouldn't

00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.260
even say like, Because your parents are entrepreneurs,

00:35:13.300 --> 00:35:16.159
right? Yes, okay, and that was one of the biggest

00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.539
influences for me because Growing up and seeing

00:35:19.539 --> 00:35:22.340
that allowed me to see it was possible for myself.

00:35:22.340 --> 00:35:25.699
Yeah, I think that's important because sometimes

00:35:25.699 --> 00:35:27.960
Sometimes we don't think things are possible

00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.260
because we can't see it from like people in or

00:35:30.260 --> 00:35:32.340
who look like us and this This was people who

00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:35.139
birthed me. Yeah, so that was even a stronger

00:35:35.139 --> 00:35:37.920
type And I think just being in the Caribbean

00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.659
itself. The funny part is growing up on Sabah

00:35:40.730 --> 00:35:44.429
it being so small influenced me to think big

00:35:44.429 --> 00:35:48.469
because I was like I don't want to fall in the

00:35:48.469 --> 00:35:52.630
trap of being on a small island and then continuing

00:35:52.630 --> 00:35:55.530
to think small or thinking that I could get imposter

00:35:55.530 --> 00:35:57.250
syndrome from being in certain rooms because

00:35:57.250 --> 00:36:00.449
I don't think Like I'm big enough for but did

00:36:00.449 --> 00:36:04.940
you guys travel a lot? Yeah Okay. Because it

00:36:04.940 --> 00:36:07.199
had to come from somewhere that you would think

00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.820
beyond. If you didn't really travel, then you

00:36:10.820 --> 00:36:13.719
wouldn't really see beyond either. Exactly that.

00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:16.820
And I think that's one of the privileges that

00:36:16.820 --> 00:36:20.599
have shaped me more. I don't think I know. I

00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.519
was even saying that. So they gifted you the

00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.440
example of entrepreneurship, gifted you the example

00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:29.420
of the world is bigger than just the tiny rock

00:36:29.420 --> 00:36:33.000
that we live on. That's why One of my purposes

00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.000
and especially a big one is to share that because

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.360
I feel like for me, being born where I was born

00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.880
in itself was a privilege and just having the

00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.179
ability and the means, because I wouldn't say

00:36:46.179 --> 00:36:49.699
we was whopping or whatever, but we had the ability

00:36:49.699 --> 00:36:52.599
to travel. And I think I'm so grateful for that

00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.000
because I was saying like, when I have kids,

00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.179
I would want them. To go somewhere else if they

00:36:59.179 --> 00:37:01.639
just want to move just move somewhere else because

00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.619
The lessons you get from that you can't read

00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:08.099
about it. No, you know somebody you have to and

00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:11.159
I think Yeah being from the Caribbean and the

00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.480
ability to move out of such a small island to

00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.619
such a big place that in itself Was a big just

00:37:17.619 --> 00:37:21.420
it had a big impact on me. Yeah, and I also like

00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:24.440
because of my parents I was very open to traveling

00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.659
to other places. So like for my internship, I

00:37:26.659 --> 00:37:31.699
went to Malaysia. Oh wow. That was insane. I

00:37:31.699 --> 00:37:35.579
lived there for six months. And that also was

00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:37.199
another pivotal moment because I just felt like

00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.739
I was reintroducing myself to myself. Yeah. Like

00:37:39.739 --> 00:37:41.840
even when I came to the Netherlands, a whole

00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:44.280
new journey was made. Yeah. When I moved to Malaysia

00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.940
and came back, that was a new me that came. So

00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:50.340
yeah, I would say being from the Caribbean and

00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:53.190
having the ability to travel beyond it. while

00:37:53.190 --> 00:37:55.449
being on an island that you feel so limited in,

00:37:55.750 --> 00:37:59.090
allows you to be more curious about what is limitless

00:37:59.090 --> 00:38:02.670
in a sense. Yeah. So it also allows you to maybe

00:38:02.670 --> 00:38:05.789
tap more into your imagination and dream up of

00:38:05.789 --> 00:38:08.570
all the possibilities. Yeah. And I think just

00:38:08.570 --> 00:38:11.329
being on like Saba in itself, you've seen it,

00:38:11.329 --> 00:38:15.369
the beauty of the island. Seeing that, I think

00:38:15.369 --> 00:38:17.809
also allows you to tap into your creativity because

00:38:17.809 --> 00:38:20.230
there's so much to see even on those five square

00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:25.409
miles. Yeah. So. Yeah, that. Awesome. It's really,

00:38:25.449 --> 00:38:27.210
I never really think about these things, to be

00:38:27.210 --> 00:38:29.750
honest. So I understand why this is now Sunside

00:38:29.750 --> 00:38:35.670
Therapy. Sunside Therapy. I can train like that.

00:38:39.309 --> 00:38:45.820
So if we, if we, so growing up. Then we flowing

00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:48.440
into like those teenage years we flowing into

00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.920
the 20s. Well, you haven't arrived at the 30s

00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:56.699
is yet But along the way who would you say? who

00:38:56.699 --> 00:38:59.679
would you say were your mentors along your journey?

00:39:00.019 --> 00:39:03.920
So the people that really helped to guide you

00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.840
or had a particular impact on the way that you

00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.139
do things. And these can be people that were

00:39:09.139 --> 00:39:11.659
like really physically in your life, but also

00:39:11.659 --> 00:39:15.840
perhaps people that you tuned into online in

00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:21.699
a deeper, darker place in life. That part. Well,

00:39:21.699 --> 00:39:25.170
we know my parents for sure. I would say... They've

00:39:25.170 --> 00:39:27.150
taught me many different things, even aside from

00:39:27.150 --> 00:39:28.809
entrepreneurship, because they're still together.

00:39:29.349 --> 00:39:32.489
And I feel like the one thing I loved, I saw

00:39:32.489 --> 00:39:38.230
was like love. I think with regards to somebody

00:39:38.230 --> 00:39:41.090
who's definitely pushed me from a place of they're

00:39:41.090 --> 00:39:43.610
my best friend, they're my mentor, they're my

00:39:43.610 --> 00:39:47.550
therapist, is my mom. Because we're very close

00:39:47.550 --> 00:39:51.780
and she's just from... when I was small I always

00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:53.559
thought wow this is a strong woman you know she

00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.559
has her businesses and everything and I don't

00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:01.559
know I just feel like that gave me a good example

00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:05.400
of becoming a strong woman myself yeah and my

00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.420
father also showed me the part of having the

00:40:08.420 --> 00:40:10.099
support of people in your life because I'd be

00:40:10.099 --> 00:40:11.760
like looking at him and how much he supports

00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.280
my mom yeah and they support each other in general

00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.460
also helped me kind of shape an example of like

00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:19.019
the people around me because I could see how

00:40:19.019 --> 00:40:23.079
much it could push you further. Yeah. And I would

00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:27.719
say books have definitely mentored me. I think

00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.519
some of the books I read, like, I don't know

00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.380
if you read The Courage to be Disliked. No. You

00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:34.400
would love it. I definitely think you love it

00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.099
because it focuses on philosophy and that's new

00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:41.320
territory for me. But it's such interesting territory.

00:40:41.340 --> 00:40:45.019
And they talk a lot about like Plato. OK, he's

00:40:45.019 --> 00:40:49.030
one of the. The philosophers, yeah. But there's

00:40:49.030 --> 00:40:52.329
another one and he spoke about like Adlerian

00:40:52.329 --> 00:40:55.210
psychology and how the book is basically structured.

00:40:55.670 --> 00:40:58.369
It's a conversation between a youth and a philosopher.

00:40:58.530 --> 00:41:01.750
Okay. And the youth has a specific like perspective

00:41:01.750 --> 00:41:04.489
on life but it's more to the negative side. And

00:41:04.489 --> 00:41:09.329
he tries to debunk or... Find ways to have valid

00:41:09.329 --> 00:41:11.369
arguments against what the philosopher thinks

00:41:11.369 --> 00:41:13.889
life is because the philosophers very life is

00:41:13.889 --> 00:41:16.929
simple, you know Happiness is a choice. Yeah,

00:41:17.090 --> 00:41:19.349
all of that fun stuff, but it goes deep like

00:41:19.349 --> 00:41:22.409
they even speak about trauma and I think those

00:41:22.409 --> 00:41:25.869
books have helped shape me from a place of one

00:41:25.869 --> 00:41:27.829
putting into perspective things I already know

00:41:27.829 --> 00:41:31.909
but couldn't translate and To just learning about

00:41:31.909 --> 00:41:34.110
life from a place of even though somebody's not

00:41:34.110 --> 00:41:36.260
talking to me I'm kind of talking to myself because

00:41:36.260 --> 00:41:38.800
I'm reading the book in my head. Yeah, it's a

00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:43.139
weird kind of process I have. But that and on

00:41:43.139 --> 00:41:46.360
the most spiritual side. Yeah. I don't you probably

00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:51.000
know Joe Dispenza. Yeah. Yeah. So I listen. I

00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.159
had to think for a second. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's

00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.719
the whole become supernatural stuff like that.

00:41:56.820 --> 00:42:00.159
But just from a place of realizing how much of

00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:03.130
our energy we could tap into and how to. kind

00:42:03.130 --> 00:42:05.610
of shape our life around us. Yeah, that has helped

00:42:05.610 --> 00:42:08.210
me a lot because yeah, I feel like in moments

00:42:08.210 --> 00:42:11.309
where I felt like I was losing myself or like

00:42:11.309 --> 00:42:15.590
I didn't have control. I leaned on that to know

00:42:15.590 --> 00:42:18.989
that I have faith even in God and how things

00:42:18.989 --> 00:42:22.010
are going to go. Yeah. And I don't need to be

00:42:22.010 --> 00:42:24.369
in an energy that's continuously negative because

00:42:24.369 --> 00:42:26.110
I'm going to continue to see things that are

00:42:26.110 --> 00:42:32.579
negative. True. So whatever you feed. You'll

00:42:32.579 --> 00:42:35.460
get more of so if you feed into the negativity

00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:38.199
you'll end up with more of it exactly Feeding

00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.820
into the positivity will bring more of that and

00:42:40.820 --> 00:42:43.739
I always tell like people in my life if you wake

00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:46.079
up and you see I'm going to see green today you

00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.980
will see green and you will see more things that

00:42:48.980 --> 00:42:51.519
are green than that are actually there but as

00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:53.679
if you say I'm going to see red so whatever how

00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:57.659
you choose to or What intention you set is how

00:42:57.659 --> 00:43:00.039
your life is gonna go and that's something I'm

00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:03.309
still grasping and understanding more. But I

00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:06.670
would say that has mentored me in a way that

00:43:06.670 --> 00:43:09.550
helps me, one, deal with what I'm dealing with

00:43:09.550 --> 00:43:11.469
quite work. Because sometimes you can feel like

00:43:11.469 --> 00:43:13.349
you're drowning, or there's not enough hours

00:43:13.349 --> 00:43:17.170
in the day. Oh, for sure. So it helps me cope.

00:43:17.530 --> 00:43:19.989
And that's why I say I'm ready for this nine

00:43:19.989 --> 00:43:24.010
year. It's an inside joke. But yes, I am because

00:43:24.010 --> 00:43:26.670
I just feel like it's going to teach me how to...

00:43:26.730 --> 00:43:30.289
handle things because I every year my goal is

00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:33.170
to push my limits and to see what I could do

00:43:33.170 --> 00:43:37.050
get that evidence and Yeah, other than that is

00:43:37.050 --> 00:43:40.110
podcast. Like I listen to diary of a CEO. Okay.

00:43:40.389 --> 00:43:43.769
Mm -hmm. You have the one with Jay Shetty. Mm

00:43:43.769 --> 00:43:48.030
-hmm and What his name Huberman the Huberman

00:43:48.030 --> 00:43:50.599
lab? That's more scientific though. Oh, I don't

00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.840
know that one. It talks about all the dopamine,

00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.900
serotonin, the chemicals in your body. For me,

00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:57.940
that one is more neuroscience. But that's the

00:43:57.940 --> 00:44:00.300
curiosity in me wondering like, you know, like

00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:02.699
serotonin is actually in your bowels. And there's

00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:04.960
so many different facts that come from it. And

00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.539
I'm like, ooh, this is interesting. Yeah. So

00:44:07.539 --> 00:44:10.099
that mentors me in understanding myself more

00:44:10.099 --> 00:44:14.800
from almost physical, but more chemical place.

00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:18.230
Interesting. Yeah. It's quite different. Quite

00:44:18.230 --> 00:44:21.090
different indeed. Wait, who have been your mentors?

00:44:21.670 --> 00:44:24.250
I was curious. No, I'm really curious to be honest.

00:44:25.269 --> 00:44:29.010
You know what's funny? What? Haiti asked me the

00:44:29.010 --> 00:44:32.750
exact same question. You can tell we're apart

00:44:32.750 --> 00:44:37.269
castles. We're apart castles. It almost the exact

00:44:37.269 --> 00:44:41.289
same sort of flow. And then I started to answer

00:44:41.289 --> 00:44:44.010
the question and I kind of elaborated a bit too

00:44:44.010 --> 00:44:46.849
long and then I stopped. Oh. So I actually didn't

00:44:46.849 --> 00:44:50.099
get... to answer the second part of the question.

00:44:51.579 --> 00:44:58.400
Well, I answered earlier about a few to do with

00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.260
the music industry, so that was in the early

00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:06.639
days. Also, as a kid growing up, I have six sisters,

00:45:06.739 --> 00:45:08.960
five of them are older than me, so they also

00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:12.619
played a role in my younger years, and also my

00:45:12.619 --> 00:45:16.219
mom as well. And then in the music industry,

00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.320
I was like a big fan of Nas, Mobb Deep, Eminem.

00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.800
These were the ones that I really honed into

00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.079
in the beginning. And then later on, I kind of

00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:32.429
tapped more into Jay -Z's stuff as he... retired

00:45:32.429 --> 00:45:34.989
and came back and was like, I'm not a businessman.

00:45:35.309 --> 00:45:40.150
I'm a businessman. So that and at that moment,

00:45:40.190 --> 00:45:42.889
I was starting to get into my business version

00:45:42.889 --> 00:45:48.110
of myself. So I tapped into that a bit. But then

00:45:48.110 --> 00:45:51.510
once I transitioned away from music and more

00:45:51.510 --> 00:45:55.449
into entrepreneurship, it actually ended up being

00:45:55.449 --> 00:45:59.239
a couple people in different seasons. That makes

00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:04.820
sense. Yeah. So start in the business. I started

00:46:04.820 --> 00:46:10.500
from home. And in the spare bedroom, my wife

00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:13.380
would go to work. She was working at the Rabobank

00:46:13.380 --> 00:46:16.559
at the time. So she's coming home at five, six

00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.719
o 'clock, like ready to just pass out on the

00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:21.559
couch. And I'm like, yo, let's get out of the

00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.539
house. Because I've been home all day. This wasn't

00:46:25.539 --> 00:46:28.599
the time when working from home was cool, right?

00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.980
Because you didn't have that much interaction

00:46:30.980 --> 00:46:33.440
or the little coffee tents or all the different

00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:38.369
places to go. And then I ran into one of my old

00:46:38.369 --> 00:46:44.329
teachers that that asked me how I was doing.

00:46:44.530 --> 00:46:46.969
I told him and I started a business very proud.

00:46:47.110 --> 00:46:49.650
He's like, oh, how aware I say from home. Oh,

00:46:49.730 --> 00:46:52.789
how how's that going? Yeah. And I was like, well,

00:46:52.789 --> 00:46:57.570
it could go better. But I mean, I'm just scratching

00:46:57.570 --> 00:47:00.650
by to afford my rent at home. So I can't afford

00:47:00.650 --> 00:47:05.750
a rent office space yet. But then he told me,

00:47:05.929 --> 00:47:10.210
hey, have you checked out Stripe? So that's this

00:47:10.210 --> 00:47:13.869
area that we in. And then introduced me to a

00:47:13.869 --> 00:47:16.710
coworking space. And at the time I never even

00:47:16.710 --> 00:47:19.550
really knew anything about these coworkers. This

00:47:19.550 --> 00:47:26.610
is 2011. Oh, yes. And I went there and I was

00:47:26.610 --> 00:47:31.230
like, wow, this exists. This is awesome. Brand

00:47:31.230 --> 00:47:34.800
new world. It cost 90 euros a month for the desk.

00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:38.099
If only that was the case now. Now it's like

00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:41.280
four something. Yeah, I know. Wow. But at the

00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:45.699
time, I was like, woo, 90 euros. No, no, no.

00:47:45.699 --> 00:47:49.280
At the time, well, if I go all the way back in

00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:54.550
2010. Yeah, I can say this proudly now. In 2010,

00:47:54.829 --> 00:47:57.650
well, I graduated in 2010, so more or less from

00:47:57.650 --> 00:48:01.329
August to December was like my full time working

00:48:01.329 --> 00:48:05.849
and I made 3 ,000 euros for that period. So basically

00:48:05.849 --> 00:48:08.690
my first year of being an entrepreneur, I made

00:48:08.690 --> 00:48:12.469
3 ,000 euros. So you can imagine you can't really

00:48:12.469 --> 00:48:15.429
live off of 3 ,000 euros for the year, not for

00:48:15.429 --> 00:48:22.980
the month people, for the year. So and then and

00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:25.800
then in 2011 I made a bit more I think I think

00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:27.760
eventually at the end of the year I got up to

00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:31.360
like 15k but 15k is still below minimum wage

00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:35.559
right so that 90 euros felt like it was it was

00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.719
a leap but that was one of those first times

00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:41.159
as an entrepreneur it was like Okay, I do want

00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.389
to take this leap. Yeah Because everything in

00:48:44.389 --> 00:48:46.269
me feels like this is the right move to make

00:48:46.269 --> 00:48:47.789
even though I don't know where the money is going

00:48:47.789 --> 00:48:51.250
to come from But I feel like I need to do this

00:48:51.250 --> 00:48:54.369
and no one in my environment Would would would

00:48:54.369 --> 00:48:57.130
tell me yes encourage me and go do this. Everyone

00:48:57.130 --> 00:49:01.329
was encouraging me go find a job security Insurance

00:49:01.329 --> 00:49:04.590
blah blah blah. Yeah, like like go do that. Why

00:49:04.590 --> 00:49:08.190
are you? Here scratching around with this stuff

00:49:08.190 --> 00:49:15.079
So that So then I ended up collaborating quite

00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:20.119
intensely with him. Thijs, shout out if you're

00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:26.179
seeing this. And he definitely introduced me

00:49:26.179 --> 00:49:32.860
to a lot of things and help sort of gave me that

00:49:32.860 --> 00:49:37.800
space to just be myself and enter this world

00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.260
of business here in the south of the Netherlands.

00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:46.840
I won't elaborate on all the others, but in different

00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.360
moments, then there was someone else that introduced

00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:53.119
me to some bigger assignments and I collaborated

00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.920
together with him to serve his biggest client.

00:49:57.019 --> 00:50:01.380
And that even led me to fly into Denmark and

00:50:01.380 --> 00:50:06.219
other places. Then a few years later, that's

00:50:06.219 --> 00:50:10.179
actually a funny story. So right here in this

00:50:10.179 --> 00:50:12.860
building, I was finishing up some work that I

00:50:12.860 --> 00:50:15.300
was doing for then another big client that we

00:50:15.300 --> 00:50:18.860
scored. So this is about 11 years ago. And I

00:50:18.860 --> 00:50:22.239
was feeling good. It was a Friday evening or

00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:26.960
something. And I had like one of those Bose speakers.

00:50:27.980 --> 00:50:30.940
And I was renting just a desk in the space at

00:50:30.940 --> 00:50:33.400
the time. And I went outside with the Bose speaker

00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:36.820
and I was gonna head. I don't even, was I driving?

00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.900
Yeah, I had a car. Because it was also a period

00:50:39.900 --> 00:50:43.059
with no car. But anyways, yeah, so I was playing

00:50:43.059 --> 00:50:46.239
my music and going outside and then I saw this

00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:51.239
this American guy I didn't know he was American

00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.820
so I was just like oh let me let me turn let

00:50:53.820 --> 00:50:57.599
me turn down the music before I'm looking to

00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:02.820
a Negro ish right now coming out play exactly

00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:10.909
exactly and then he's like no turn it up And

00:51:10.909 --> 00:51:13.869
then we got to talking, like we introduced ourselves.

00:51:14.429 --> 00:51:17.409
And then when he heard what I do, he said, oh,

00:51:17.429 --> 00:51:19.289
well, we actually have an assignment now that

00:51:19.289 --> 00:51:21.389
we're looking to finalize in Paris, blah, blah,

00:51:21.489 --> 00:51:23.349
blah. Would you be interested? And in my head,

00:51:23.449 --> 00:51:30.199
I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. Yes. And from

00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:33.059
that moment on that ended up turning into like

00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:36.460
a two -year trajectory of working very intensely

00:51:36.460 --> 00:51:42.239
together. Paris, Czech Republic, Ireland. With

00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:45.780
that though, because really this question has

00:51:45.780 --> 00:51:47.860
been ringing in my head. Because I know my goal

00:51:47.860 --> 00:51:50.539
is to travel. My goal is to be a nomad, you know,

00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:52.739
get clients and travel. Was this your goal? Because

00:51:52.739 --> 00:51:57.510
you travel a lot for what you do. Yes. Okay.

00:51:57.809 --> 00:52:02.210
It was, but it was never... Like at the forefront

00:52:02.210 --> 00:52:07.150
of your goal. At the forefront of the goal. At

00:52:07.150 --> 00:52:12.190
some point, it was a wish. Yeah. It was a desire,

00:52:12.429 --> 00:52:18.250
but my desire in the early days was just to be

00:52:18.250 --> 00:52:21.420
self -sustainable. Understandable that that that

00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:24.500
that was the main goal. And then at some point

00:52:24.500 --> 00:52:28.019
it went from being self sustainable to to wanting

00:52:28.019 --> 00:52:31.440
to share my story with my people. Yeah. So in

00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:38.219
2011 was that when when I first actually I'm

00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:40.800
getting distracted now because I'm like we actually

00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:42.719
going back and forth too much. I supposed to

00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:46.599
be asking you. This is interesting. Okay, come,

00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.780
let me, 2011, let me finish it. Okay, yeah, let

00:52:48.780 --> 00:52:51.000
me wrap that up and let me get it back to you,

00:52:51.219 --> 00:52:54.480
Jodie. Sorry. You're on the couch. It's Jojo

00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.480
Rene sitting on the couch. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:58.739
yeah, yeah. Get it back to Jodie. Yeah, yeah,

00:52:58.780 --> 00:53:04.780
we're coming, we're coming. Oh yeah, so 2011,

00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.960
when I went, when I first entered that coworking

00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:14.429
space, and I saw that, that this was possible.

00:53:15.050 --> 00:53:17.610
Something in me triggered that I have to tell

00:53:17.610 --> 00:53:19.769
my people that this is possible because they

00:53:19.769 --> 00:53:23.329
don't know. They're still being forced into becoming

00:53:23.329 --> 00:53:27.050
lawyers and doctors and accountants and these

00:53:27.050 --> 00:53:32.070
are the boxes and nothing else is possible. We

00:53:32.070 --> 00:53:35.070
don't know this exists. This exists. Somebody

00:53:35.070 --> 00:53:38.530
got to tell them. It's true. So obviously in

00:53:38.530 --> 00:53:40.230
the little community you have, you would start

00:53:40.230 --> 00:53:42.789
to share it, invite people over, all of that

00:53:42.789 --> 00:53:46.289
good stuff. But then by 2014, I actually started

00:53:46.289 --> 00:53:49.380
doing some of those first presentations. what

00:53:49.380 --> 00:53:54.079
you saw that I did in November. So in 2014, I

00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.260
did like the very first version of those type

00:53:57.260 --> 00:54:00.300
of presentations. And then from there, I continued

00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:03.679
to do those wherever there were opportunity to

00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:07.000
do those. And then the more I did it, and the

00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.260
more I traveled, and the more I got connected,

00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:11.639
is the more people that hears your story, more

00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:13.559
people get interested, then you start getting

00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:19.519
invited. Then in some cases, there's like, a

00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.139
decent money involved, in other cases, just a

00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:24.780
plane ticket. And you pay for your own stay,

00:54:24.820 --> 00:54:27.599
your own food, et cetera. And then in those moments,

00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:29.980
you have to choose now, how important is this

00:54:29.980 --> 00:54:33.579
for me in my progress, in my life, in what I

00:54:33.579 --> 00:54:36.420
find important? And in some of those, and well,

00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.119
practically most of those cases, I'm like, the

00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.519
most important thing for me is to actually share

00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:46.420
the message and connect with others. And if I...

00:54:46.429 --> 00:54:50.070
can and I'm able to do it in that moment, then

00:54:50.070 --> 00:54:53.210
I can roll the dice on that. At some point, you

00:54:53.210 --> 00:54:56.909
will also have to make some more. Yeah, the self

00:54:56.909 --> 00:54:58.670
-sustaining side and stuff. Exactly. But sometimes

00:54:58.670 --> 00:55:01.409
we see the value beyond the money, and that's

00:55:01.409 --> 00:55:03.590
what helps. Especially if you're in a place where

00:55:03.590 --> 00:55:06.809
you're OK, like it's not like, OK, if I take

00:55:06.809 --> 00:55:08.530
this, I'm traveling. I got to pay for stuff,

00:55:08.690 --> 00:55:13.059
but guys, think tight. It's more so I'm OK. and

00:55:13.059 --> 00:55:15.260
the value that I get beyond just like a plane

00:55:15.260 --> 00:55:17.260
ticket rather than, you know, the actual payment

00:55:17.260 --> 00:55:22.440
is in speaking to people. So, yeah, I like that.

00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.539
Okay, I was just curious. We can get back to

00:55:25.539 --> 00:55:31.300
me. I could have helped myself. So you're 27

00:55:31.300 --> 00:55:36.039
right now, right? Yep. So if we go back nine

00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:39.780
years. Geez. Yeah, to the 18 -year -old Judy.

00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:43.039
I'm trying to see where I was. I was having a

00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.599
house party in my grandmother's house. In Saba.

00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.739
On my 18th birthday in the Netherlands. In the

00:55:47.739 --> 00:55:49.719
Netherlands, okay. So your grandma lived here?

00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:53.119
Yeah. My mom and her family moved here when she

00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:55.000
was younger. So she grew up in the Netherlands.

00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:56.840
Oh, okay. Where she's from right now. But yeah,

00:55:57.460 --> 00:56:01.059
the day of making 18, that's where I was. And

00:56:01.059 --> 00:56:04.619
you had moved just a few months before that?

00:56:04.780 --> 00:56:07.119
Yeah, so I moved to August before that. So I

00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.579
made 18 in December and I moved to August before

00:56:09.579 --> 00:56:14.079
that. Yeah. So what advice would you give that

00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:17.639
partying young lady at grandma's house in the

00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:25.639
Netherlands? You know you have those moments

00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:29.659
where you call me you just go crazy You know

00:56:29.659 --> 00:56:33.579
sorry to introduce I act because I go access

00:56:33.579 --> 00:56:38.739
on the pod but there was need to be doing but

00:56:40.710 --> 00:56:43.570
The you remember the gala parties that they used

00:56:43.570 --> 00:56:48.389
to be one of them was on my birthday and And

00:56:48.389 --> 00:56:51.070
and was was that like the last one before the

00:56:51.070 --> 00:56:55.929
pandemic? Yeah, you was there. Yes Because you

00:56:55.929 --> 00:57:03.250
was you was a bit while about that No, okay Because

00:57:03.250 --> 00:57:08.510
afterwards I realized wait a minute that young

00:57:08.510 --> 00:57:13.210
group So you saw me before we even meet, and

00:57:13.210 --> 00:57:16.170
that's where you get, wow. I wasn't riding out

00:57:16.170 --> 00:57:19.369
that bad. Not that bad, not that bad. But we

00:57:19.369 --> 00:57:22.829
were staying out. But let's say for the consensus,

00:57:23.050 --> 00:57:26.369
it was standing out. Especially because we were

00:57:26.369 --> 00:57:28.849
staying in a hotel and we took the slippers from

00:57:28.849 --> 00:57:31.610
the hotel. Yes, I remember all of that because

00:57:31.610 --> 00:57:37.719
I was like, why, where the shoes gone? That was

00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:40.980
insane. And you know when they played Clark's

00:57:40.980 --> 00:57:45.579
by Vibes Cartel. That was it. That was wow. But

00:57:45.579 --> 00:57:48.380
you know what that also was for me? That was

00:57:48.380 --> 00:57:52.219
one of those transition moments because a few

00:57:52.219 --> 00:57:55.420
years back, so that's probably before you guys

00:57:55.420 --> 00:57:58.320
would have been at all the parties or whatever.

00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.079
it would have been maybe myself and some of my

00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:07.119
group that would be a bit extra, a bit extra.

00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:11.039
And then a bit wild. And by that time now we

00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:13.739
have kids, everything. So we already kind of

00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:15.300
calmed down and they were like, wait, who is

00:58:15.300 --> 00:58:17.840
these wild children now taking over? And I was

00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:22.019
a child too. I think while I was making 21, I

00:58:22.019 --> 00:58:23.780
think that was my 21st birthday or something.

00:58:23.900 --> 00:58:26.780
But anyways, that was a good night. I enjoyed

00:58:26.780 --> 00:58:30.969
my birthday. If I really had to go and have a

00:58:30.969 --> 00:58:35.710
chat with 18 -year -old me, whoo. Let me really

00:58:35.710 --> 00:58:37.070
think, because I told you I wasn't going to think

00:58:37.070 --> 00:58:41.929
about the questions. I would really let her know

00:58:41.929 --> 00:58:47.889
that things going to be tough at times. And sometimes

00:58:47.889 --> 00:58:50.829
you can feel like you're not in control. But

00:58:50.829 --> 00:58:54.360
as the part of the process of. Guess finding

00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.980
yourself when you lose yourself in moments. I

00:58:56.980 --> 00:59:00.559
think for me I used to kind of hold on to this

00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.539
feeling of needing to be perfect and does not

00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:06.539
helpful to anybody yes, you forget to be you

00:59:06.539 --> 00:59:09.440
and Yeah, just let her know that authenticity

00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:15.099
is Loud even when you're quiet and stay in there.

00:59:15.219 --> 00:59:18.579
Yeah, because I think sometimes Everywhere else

00:59:18.579 --> 00:59:21.659
especially now with social media There's so much

00:59:21.659 --> 00:59:24.409
noise and there's so much comparison that you

00:59:24.409 --> 00:59:27.590
could make, but really going on those walks while

00:59:27.590 --> 00:59:31.070
you're phone or journaling could help you realize

00:59:31.070 --> 00:59:34.110
what you want and not what you want because other

00:59:34.110 --> 00:59:39.429
people have it. So, yeah. So quiet, all the outside

00:59:39.429 --> 00:59:42.429
noise and tap more and more into the inner self.

00:59:42.630 --> 00:59:44.130
Yeah, because at the end of the day, what matters

00:59:44.130 --> 00:59:48.409
is what you think about you. that influences

00:59:48.409 --> 00:59:50.170
how you're able to show up for yourself but also

00:59:50.170 --> 00:59:52.489
for other people because i feel like in times

00:59:52.489 --> 00:59:55.570
where i doubted myself or in times i was just

00:59:55.570 --> 00:59:58.190
hard on myself i projected that onto my friends

00:59:58.190 --> 01:00:01.230
or just the people in my life and i feel like

01:00:01.230 --> 01:00:04.210
how you feel inside or you know how they say

01:00:04.210 --> 01:00:06.050
people could only meet you as deep as they've

01:00:06.050 --> 01:00:09.829
met themselves oh yeah i really i really believe

01:00:09.829 --> 01:00:12.800
in that because even me forming a better relationship

01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:16.139
with love in terms of self -love and just in

01:00:16.139 --> 01:00:19.719
general, I realize how much I'm able to feel

01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:21.320
it from other people, but also give it, because

01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:24.400
now I have more capacity to do that. And I think

01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:26.760
focusing on those things that are innate within

01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:30.099
us, rather than focusing on what you're wearing

01:00:30.099 --> 01:00:36.400
or what you have, I think that's gonna lead my

01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.079
18 -year -old self in a great direction. Awesome.

01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:44.219
Very introspective. It's all about the self.

01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.119
I feel like even when the books I read they say

01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:50.880
how It gets deep with the books I read and to

01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.900
be honest one I'm listening to now is an audible

01:00:53.900 --> 01:00:57.519
mm -hmm, and I get off track sometimes, but they

01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:01.239
really say like You know about the energy and

01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:04.860
stuff, but a atom for example is a wave until

01:01:04.860 --> 01:01:09.539
you look at it So it could be an atom or something.

01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:15.320
So the energy itself is a wave. So they have

01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:18.320
labs or whatever where they kind of test these

01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:21.420
things. And it doesn't become matter until you

01:01:21.420 --> 01:01:27.780
look at it. So they kind of relate that to how

01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:30.800
you view life, where it's like there's so many

01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.119
waves going on around you. but what you focus

01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:37.800
on becomes matter. And I think that's where I'm

01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.980
so focused on self, but not from a place of what

01:01:40.980 --> 01:01:44.280
I do for myself or the whole selfish aspect,

01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:47.179
but more so how I show up. Self -development.

01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:52.559
Exactly. And becoming the best self. Yeah. It

01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.420
really does directly influence my life. And I

01:01:55.420 --> 01:01:58.679
think with social media, we have a distorted...

01:01:59.110 --> 01:02:01.429
view of what the best self is, because the best

01:02:01.429 --> 01:02:04.489
self is now more external than internal, at least

01:02:04.489 --> 01:02:07.230
from what I see. So I think that's why, I think

01:02:07.230 --> 01:02:09.650
I really got pushed into this because I was so

01:02:09.650 --> 01:02:12.530
in a place where I was more external. So I do

01:02:12.530 --> 01:02:14.170
feel like sometimes you do have to go through

01:02:14.170 --> 01:02:16.829
the challenges. I wouldn't say it was that bad,

01:02:17.010 --> 01:02:20.210
but for my view, it was bad where I was like,

01:02:20.289 --> 01:02:23.510
okay, no, I don't like how I feel, I don't like

01:02:23.510 --> 01:02:26.889
this. So I think my coping mechanism was to self

01:02:26.889 --> 01:02:30.110
develop. Basically. Yeah. I mean, that's a pretty

01:02:30.110 --> 01:02:33.829
good. Yeah, at least it's not either ice cream

01:02:33.829 --> 01:02:36.070
or something like that. I'm grateful for that

01:02:36.070 --> 01:02:38.550
because I just feel uncomfortable. Yeah. So I

01:02:38.550 --> 01:02:41.289
know that to get comfortable, even if it's doing

01:02:41.289 --> 01:02:45.010
a puzzle. So so so kind of in that journey, then

01:02:45.010 --> 01:02:48.869
a lot of it, at least from what I'm understanding,

01:02:48.929 --> 01:02:54.610
a lot of it was. It a lot of external factors

01:02:54.610 --> 01:03:01.019
played a big role. Throughout your teens, even

01:03:01.019 --> 01:03:04.119
throughout the college experience. A hundred

01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:08.230
percent. at some point then that switch came

01:03:08.230 --> 01:03:10.909
and you started going internal and once he started

01:03:10.909 --> 01:03:13.829
going internally started going very deep internal

01:03:13.829 --> 01:03:17.650
because you're talking about the chemical balances,

01:03:18.030 --> 01:03:21.409
neuroscience, I mean. It's just so interesting.

01:03:21.769 --> 01:03:24.289
I don't know why I was really curious about it.

01:03:24.289 --> 01:03:26.389
Yeah. But you know, the funny thing is one of

01:03:26.389 --> 01:03:30.170
the internal activities wasn't even for me to

01:03:30.170 --> 01:03:33.650
go internal. So I started meditating. I think

01:03:33.650 --> 01:03:39.599
when I was I would say 20. Yeah. But it wasn't

01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:41.599
because, oh, I wanted to be Zen. It was because

01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:45.079
I had sleep paralysis. And I always Googled stuff

01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.380
because I always have questions. Like I was telling

01:03:47.380 --> 01:03:49.699
Claire, I question everything. And I think that's

01:03:49.699 --> 01:03:52.639
just from a place of, I'm just curious. Yeah.

01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.840
And I wanted to know how to stop it because it

01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:59.039
was honestly the scariest thing I've ever experienced

01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.570
because you're... Mind is awake, but your body's

01:04:01.570 --> 01:04:04.630
asleep. And the mind plays games with you, because

01:04:04.630 --> 01:04:07.090
if you're in a state of not being in control,

01:04:07.570 --> 01:04:10.989
you become fearful. When that happens, you start

01:04:10.989 --> 01:04:13.650
to think of things that are not there. And that's

01:04:13.650 --> 01:04:15.110
what would happen when I would get sleep paralysis.

01:04:15.570 --> 01:04:19.429
So I try to kind of, yeah, find ways to get rid

01:04:19.429 --> 01:04:22.030
of it. And meditation helps a lot, because it

01:04:22.030 --> 01:04:24.789
helps you control your mind more from a place

01:04:24.789 --> 01:04:27.800
of everybody thinks you need to be. Your mind

01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:29.960
needs to be blank, but that's not a case is more

01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.000
so as you meditate you learn more and more how

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.480
to be more aware of your thoughts Because rather

01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:37.000
than say standing under the waterfall you stand

01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:39.860
behind it and observe it and I think with the

01:04:39.860 --> 01:04:44.599
whole thing of meditating the side effect which

01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:48.079
benefited me Was being able to be more aware.

01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:50.619
I think that's where the whole self -development

01:04:50.619 --> 01:04:53.860
journey Really started to accelerate. Well, that

01:04:53.860 --> 01:04:55.960
would make sense because if you started this

01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:02.860
at 20, then each step of the way as more things

01:05:02.860 --> 01:05:06.619
start to unlock it also helps to create the space

01:05:06.619 --> 01:05:10.860
to internalize those things. I just think it's

01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:13.400
important for people to find a coping that's

01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:18.280
not scrolling. That's not a coping mechanism.

01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:22.880
That's an addiction. That part. Exactly that.

01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:26.199
Sometimes I catch myself and I put the phone

01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:29.079
way back. You know I even have a lock case for

01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:32.159
my phone. You put it in there and you can't open

01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.820
it. So I put it in. Now it's standard three hours.

01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:39.059
And I do this thing now. I do not sleep in the

01:05:39.059 --> 01:05:41.719
room. My phone is not in my room. And I'm not

01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:45.019
going to lie. For anybody who's struggling, even

01:05:45.019 --> 01:05:49.539
in the mornings or night time, they are grabbing

01:05:49.539 --> 01:05:51.840
for the phone. Leave out a room. It gonna be

01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:53.239
a bit tough in the beginning. Don't get me wrong.

01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:57.139
We all are slaves to our phones. However, it's

01:05:57.139 --> 01:05:58.860
benefited my life so much. I just have an alarm

01:05:58.860 --> 01:06:01.360
clock, the light up one. And then birds start

01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:04.059
chirping. And it has an artificial sun for when

01:06:04.059 --> 01:06:07.360
it's cold and winter like now. The Phillips one?

01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.880
Yeah. The Phillips Lumia or something. Yep, I

01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:15.500
love it. That's my baby. But yeah, it really

01:06:15.500 --> 01:06:19.659
helped me not... Actually, sorry, one of the

01:06:19.659 --> 01:06:21.860
mentors that I mentioned, the American guy, I

01:06:21.860 --> 01:06:23.719
believe he actually worked on that project because

01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:25.800
he worked for Philips Design for like 20 years.

01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.619
Big up him. If he's listening to this, that alarm

01:06:28.619 --> 01:06:30.760
clock changed my life. Because if you're waking

01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:32.400
up in darkness and you're hearing birds, it's

01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.199
not the same as waking up with an artificial

01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:36.940
sun in your room. Yeah. And you actually, and

01:06:36.940 --> 01:06:40.559
they say, I didn't get sciencey. We have time.

01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:43.699
So they say, you're supposed to get a specific

01:06:43.699 --> 01:06:46.539
amount of light in the morning. so that your

01:06:46.539 --> 01:06:48.739
circadian rhythm could reset. It could activate.

01:06:49.059 --> 01:06:51.519
Exactly. And then the melatonin forms, well,

01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:53.400
starts to produce again in the night when it's

01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:55.559
supposed to. But now, because if you look at

01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:58.340
it when we was in the woods and stuff, we had

01:06:58.340 --> 01:07:00.539
the natural light of the sun. Now we have screens

01:07:00.539 --> 01:07:04.710
and all of this. our circadian rhythms are all

01:07:04.710 --> 01:07:08.030
out of yeah all out of whack and They say you're

01:07:08.030 --> 01:07:10.670
supposed to get a hundred thousand lux so lux

01:07:10.670 --> 01:07:13.809
is the measurement of the rays of light a Hundred

01:07:13.809 --> 01:07:16.610
thousand nobody listen from the Sun if you go

01:07:16.610 --> 01:07:18.929
and look at a Sun on a cloudy day Yeah, I think

01:07:18.929 --> 01:07:21.469
it's like 30 something thousand for like five

01:07:21.469 --> 01:07:25.050
minutes. Oh But unlike a sunny day you could

01:07:25.050 --> 01:07:27.849
get up to a hundred thousand. I think in a ten

01:07:27.849 --> 01:07:30.360
minute And you don't look directly at the sun

01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:31.920
because some of the people said look directly,

01:07:32.099 --> 01:07:35.360
that could mess up your cornea. But just being

01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:38.480
outside and letting your body know it's daytime.

01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.280
But then I'm interested in how these looks are.

01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:43.579
Sorry, I got so upset. So on your phone. Because

01:07:43.579 --> 01:07:46.719
I have the meter because at some point in one

01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:49.340
of my first offices, I went with all the Hue

01:07:49.340 --> 01:07:53.719
lighting and I thought it was cool. And then

01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.900
my eyes always been pretty good. Can't relate.

01:07:58.539 --> 01:08:03.460
Yeah, I certainly do. But then the guy was telling

01:08:03.460 --> 01:08:06.360
me in here is too dark and this will damage your

01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:09.179
eyes over time. And then he introduced me to

01:08:09.179 --> 01:08:14.949
the Lux meter and showed me to... to measure

01:08:14.949 --> 01:08:18.090
and then also in which spot. So then I added

01:08:18.090 --> 01:08:23.149
additional light to the hue light in to basically

01:08:23.149 --> 01:08:26.289
like fill up the room. And then the hue light

01:08:26.289 --> 01:08:28.289
in would be there and also give it a bit of the

01:08:28.289 --> 01:08:31.550
extra sauce. How much did it measure up to? The

01:08:31.550 --> 01:08:34.369
first time with just the hue lights that were

01:08:34.369 --> 01:08:37.470
in there was only like 350. Exactly. And that's

01:08:37.470 --> 01:08:40.609
the thing with your phone is like 100 flat. So

01:08:40.609 --> 01:08:43.369
is that thing of like we go on our phones but

01:08:43.369 --> 01:08:46.430
there's no indication that we're awake in a place

01:08:46.430 --> 01:08:49.630
of like for your circadian rhythm so for me what

01:08:49.630 --> 01:08:52.609
helped was like going outside that's what started

01:08:52.609 --> 01:08:55.149
the Huberman lab is what got me on this this

01:08:55.149 --> 01:08:57.890
is all the science thing it just it's interesting

01:08:57.890 --> 01:08:59.470
i might have to check out this science thing

01:08:59.470 --> 01:09:02.449
you should it's cool it's long but it's cool

01:09:02.449 --> 01:09:06.189
i want to thank you very very much for coming

01:09:06.189 --> 01:09:09.850
all the way to eintje to be here with us uh today

01:09:11.699 --> 01:09:14.939
Sorry, but y 'all are far. We're far, but we're

01:09:14.939 --> 01:09:18.659
the technology hub of this country. I literally

01:09:18.659 --> 01:09:21.039
know Ain't Over for Philips. Yeah. Literally.

01:09:21.220 --> 01:09:23.479
And the cement, there's, I don't remember what

01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:26.399
it is, but somebody invented cement that could

01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:29.840
be remade into liquid cement. So once it dries.

01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:35.500
Yeah, we're definitely an invention city. Yeah.

01:09:38.210 --> 01:09:40.529
There's a particular place in the in the city

01:09:40.529 --> 01:09:43.869
called the high tech campus I've been and that

01:09:43.869 --> 01:09:47.670
is about one or two square kilometers And it

01:09:47.670 --> 01:09:51.210
has the most concentration of patents filed and

01:09:51.210 --> 01:09:54.649
approved in the entire country And I also believe

01:09:54.649 --> 01:09:57.449
in Europe and it and it held that for quite some

01:09:57.449 --> 01:10:01.789
years So there's been lots and like that. We

01:10:01.789 --> 01:10:04.210
are you're right now sitting in the clock about

01:10:04.210 --> 01:10:09.239
yep which produced Philips lights over a hundred

01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:12.479
years ago, like about a hundred years ago. And

01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:15.899
just across the street, the DVD was invented,

01:10:15.979 --> 01:10:20.079
the CD was invented. That is crazy. A lot of

01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:23.180
things were invented right here in this particular

01:10:23.180 --> 01:10:26.279
region. So it holds a lot of history. Exactly.

01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:28.680
But even the first time I came here was for a

01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:31.020
Ted Talk. Oh, wow. I just feel like I ain't over

01:10:31.020 --> 01:10:34.239
it. And the first Ted Talk was a girl who...

01:10:33.949 --> 01:10:37.109
invented a car from reusable material and it

01:10:37.109 --> 01:10:40.529
also runs on like water or something. It was

01:10:40.529 --> 01:10:43.029
insane. And I was like, wow. So they probably

01:10:43.029 --> 01:10:45.829
came from the TU, from the Technical University.

01:10:46.310 --> 01:10:48.970
Oh, that's the one I went to. Yeah. I had a minor

01:10:48.970 --> 01:10:54.449
there. But thank you for having me. I really

01:10:54.449 --> 01:11:00.430
enjoyed this. Our first Saban. I'm glad I could,

01:11:00.609 --> 01:11:03.500
you know. Hold the baton, what did it say? Yeah,

01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:05.920
yeah, pass the baton. It's passed the baton,

01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:07.579
but I changed it. You're holding the baton. I'm

01:11:07.579 --> 01:11:10.779
holding it now, guys. Yeah, because you can't

01:11:10.779 --> 01:11:13.140
pass it yet. We need the next Saban before you

01:11:13.140 --> 01:11:15.159
can pass it to them. And I hope you get another

01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:17.159
Saban, because I feel like our voices need to

01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:18.720
definitely be out there. But then you'll have

01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:22.100
to let me know which Sabans fit the criteria.

01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:24.260
For sure. But we'll talk about that afterwards.

01:11:24.659 --> 01:11:30.729
Off camera. Oh yeah, also thank you for inviting

01:11:30.729 --> 01:11:34.010
me to you guys' show. The live show was amazing.

01:11:34.430 --> 01:11:38.210
I had a wonderful time. We documented some of

01:11:38.210 --> 01:11:40.149
the experience behind the scenes. I can't wait

01:11:40.149 --> 01:11:42.930
to see the footage. And I think that's definitely

01:11:42.930 --> 01:11:45.810
going to be lit too. Yeah, I think it was a really

01:11:45.810 --> 01:11:48.210
great addition. Just from a place of being an

01:11:48.210 --> 01:11:52.489
OG for one. Because we noticed there was a good...

01:11:52.510 --> 01:11:55.289
contrast between everybody who is on the stage

01:11:55.289 --> 01:11:57.569
because you had the creative, you had the more

01:11:57.569 --> 01:12:00.229
technical, and you had just an expression that

01:12:00.229 --> 01:12:03.010
is more physical. Yeah. And I think all of y

01:12:03.010 --> 01:12:06.050
'all just came with a beauty in just what y 'all

01:12:06.050 --> 01:12:07.930
were saying, especially with you and your analysis

01:12:07.930 --> 01:12:10.569
paralysis. That's my motto for the night from

01:12:10.569 --> 01:12:13.350
what you say. I know analysis paralysis. I'm

01:12:13.350 --> 01:12:14.970
like, yeah, you know what you're talking about.

01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.380
So we did appreciate you coming on. And just

01:12:18.380 --> 01:12:20.899
also the full circle moment of now we on your

01:12:20.899 --> 01:12:24.760
part. You know you coming to the studio. 100%.

01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:29.539
For sure. I think we got lots of awesome, amazing

01:12:29.539 --> 01:12:31.819
stuff to do in the future. Yeah, I'm excited.

01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.260
Awesome. I hope, are you ready? Are you guys

01:12:35.260 --> 01:12:38.600
ready? If you are ready, then you should be liking,

01:12:39.180 --> 01:12:41.529
subscribing. and commenting. You should have

01:12:41.529 --> 01:12:43.529
told me that I would have slipped that in creatively

01:12:43.529 --> 01:12:47.729
somewhere. If you watched the part you know if

01:12:47.729 --> 01:12:49.970
we like yesterday we was talking about something

01:12:49.970 --> 01:12:52.449
about yeah you know and people really should

01:12:52.449 --> 01:12:54.109
be along these lines and I was like you know

01:12:54.109 --> 01:12:56.989
what people should also do yeah like comment

01:12:56.989 --> 01:12:58.789
and subscribe if you haven't done that I don't

01:12:58.789 --> 01:13:01.170
know why you're here but get it together yeah

01:13:01.170 --> 01:13:04.649
so let them know oh oh should I plug myself in

01:13:04.649 --> 01:13:08.680
now oh yeah sure okay Bite the bullet podcast.

01:13:09.140 --> 01:13:11.720
It's a great podcast where we have unfiltered

01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:14.479
honest conversations. It's a safe space for people

01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:17.619
to relate to some things in life from men to

01:13:17.619 --> 01:13:22.119
women to just challenges we face on a daily and

01:13:22.119 --> 01:13:24.359
just have those conversations that people kind

01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:27.239
of shy away from. So if you would love to join,

01:13:27.420 --> 01:13:29.760
please pull up. It's fun over there. It's also

01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:31.960
fun here. So if you haven't subscribed here,

01:13:32.100 --> 01:13:35.699
subscribe and as you're at it, subscribe to Bite

01:13:35.699 --> 01:13:39.300
the Bullet podcast. Yeah, that's my plug. Awesome.

01:13:39.500 --> 01:13:41.939
Thank you. And we'll have all the links down

01:13:41.939 --> 01:13:45.060
below in the description. Thanks for tuning in,

01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.960
guys. See you in the next one. Bless. That was

01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:51.399
so much fun. Oh my gosh.