1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,400 People! 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,000 Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Sunside Kingdom show, 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,960 the place where we highlight successful individuals hailing from the Dutch Caribbean, 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,240 whether associated or doing big things throughout this globe. 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,080 These accomplished persons are true role models 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:25,560 that are the examples, the epitome of hard work, perseverance and focus. 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,760 I'll be your host today, John Sandefur, aka Jam Sandefur. 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,800 Let's get into today's episode. 9 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:37,360 People! 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Welcome to the Sunside Kingdom show. 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,120 Welcome, welcome. Thank you, sir. 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,400 For today's episode, we have with us Mr. 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,920 Rigel Peters, a well accomplished personal trainer. 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:03,760 A business developer has built over three gyms now in the Eindhoven region. 15 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,920 Was more or less the founder of, yeah, I could say the whole CrossFit scene in. 16 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,000 Oh, my God, I'm blushing. 17 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,160 At least from my knowledge. 18 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,880 This is the dude that introduced it on a whole next level to the region 19 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,080 and is currently transitioning into 20 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,840 one of the forward slashes, also becoming a life coach. 21 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,840 Welcome, welcome. Thank you. 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,520 Mr. Rigel Peters. 23 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,440 Yeah, you got me blushing. 24 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,640 Yes, sir. Yeah, this is this. 25 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,080 This has been a little while in the making. 26 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:47,840 Yeah, man. Yeah, man. 27 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,480 This is cool. This is cool. Yeah. 28 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,840 Yeah, like this. Like in the vibe. 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,680 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,440 We spent we spent quite some time here on the setup and everything. 31 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,960 And we slowly getting this ball up and running. 32 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:02,040 Yeah, man. Where we yeah. 33 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Where we want to talk to our Caribbean folks 34 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,800 and highlight the amazing things that they've been doing in their lives. 35 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,440 Also talking about some of the things that maybe hasn't been going as well. 36 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,400 Yeah. But the lessons that we learned from that valuable lesson. 37 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,200 Oh, yes, sir. 38 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,720 Or the youth for the youth, for the upcoming for the upcoming. 39 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,320 Yeah. Once upon a time, we were also like super youthful, right? 40 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,080 I said, hey, I see the grace in your beard. 41 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,480 You're going to edit this out, right? 42 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,920 Huh? Yeah. 43 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:38,000 You got filters. We got after effects. 44 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,280 Give me a more hard. 45 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,040 Give me a more hard. 46 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Yes. All right. For the folks that don't know you at home. 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,320 Introduce yourself. 48 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,640 Who is Rachel Peters? 49 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:52,240 We're going deep. 50 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,000 Who is Rachel Peters? 51 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Yes. Humble young man from the Caribbean. 52 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,920 Yeah. Born in Aruba. 53 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:03,400 Spent some years in Zimato. 54 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,520 Yes. Spent some years there. 55 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,560 Move back to Aruba, then to Holland. 56 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:12,320 Who am I? 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,480 Yeah. Individual learning himself. 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,400 Yes. To control himself in this world. 59 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:25,720 His emotions. So right now, just enjoying myself. 60 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,920 Training other individuals. 61 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:33,080 Um, yeah, everything that has to do with health. 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,040 I like it. This. Yeah. 63 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,840 Is it the emotional problem? 64 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,080 Doesn't matter. Is it physical? 65 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,480 Is it injuries? Is it just to get back on track? 66 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Just to be a little bit healthy. 67 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,040 So for me, I it's like a coach. 68 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:53,320 Let's say that's a coach, but I just like being a facilitator of health. 69 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,960 Let me put it that way. OK. 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,320 Just to help everybody. 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,320 And it doesn't matter what your problem is. 72 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,080 I like solving those problems. 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,760 Yeah, like solving those problems. 74 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,920 That's my main challenge. 75 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,720 So let's maybe try and rewind back to the moment 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,920 when it sort of clicked for you that that this would be the path 77 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,240 you really want to follow. 78 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,320 Because I could imagine that you that as a 16 year old, 79 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,440 maybe you didn't have this answer, right? 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,800 Bro, bro. 15, 20. 81 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,920 Maybe I was closer at 16 to this after that. 82 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,160 Twenty, 21 different people. 83 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,720 Yeah. Yeah. But no, no, no, no. 84 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,520 This came upon me. 85 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,360 Let's say or let's rewind a bit further. 86 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:45,280 So so. What was what was there anything in your youth 87 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:50,000 that you can say that that already sort of clicked and inspired? 88 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,720 Yeah. Connected to this. 89 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,440 Well, what examples? 90 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,800 For me, it would be like the biggest example would be like my dad. 91 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,360 I would say we 92 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,840 we've always had like training equipment at home 93 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,960 from just a little dumbbell to a push up or it doesn't matter. 94 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,640 But it was always at home. 95 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,600 Yeah. And I could see him doing some some, you know, 96 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,480 trying to keep his youth. Yeah. 97 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,680 Yeah. Like you do now for your boys. 98 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,960 I'm like, I stay in right here. 99 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,360 But I'm going nowhere, bro. 100 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,920 I'm getting ideas in your head. 101 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,480 No, but I could definitely see that that has influenced me 102 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,120 that made this transition because because of that. 103 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,480 And my parents, they were always like active. Yeah. 104 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,520 So even with my mom, we will be playing soccer. 105 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,120 We will be playing. 106 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,000 I can still remember going to my mom's. 107 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,440 She's played softball. Oh, she is. 108 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,840 Wow. Yeah. So sport was always there and it was not like it was 109 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:01,840 it was encouraged like you got to know it was just there. 110 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:04,280 It was just part of life. Yeah. It was just part of it. 111 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,640 So that contributed to I always did something. 112 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,960 So I was always playing one type of sport. 113 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,560 If it was for a team or outside, it was we were playing ball, you know. 114 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,480 You grow up, you're playing street. 115 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,120 Yeah. Play ball, soccer, losing those toes from the toe, you know, 116 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,440 even for the people who know skin in those knees. 117 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,800 So you're playing streetball in St. 118 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,280 Martin as well. Yeah. 119 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:37,280 I could imagine those dirt roads being ball. 120 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,680 Yeah. Playing baseball or being you can get out. 121 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,000 I'm trying to hit. I'm trying to knock it. 122 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,280 It's different. Yeah, it's different. 123 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:48,600 It's different. It's different. 124 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,920 That it makes you more of an athlete. Yeah. 125 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,520 You better know how to run and dodge. 126 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,520 You better know how to dodge, otherwise you're coming home black and blue. 127 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,840 Yeah. Yes. Yes. You're always alert. 128 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,960 So so that's the those are some of the examples then in your youth. 129 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,520 What already sort of prepped and always moving. 130 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,000 Yeah. Always kept me in one form or the other moving. 131 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,640 So even when I got to like when I was 18, that was the first time 132 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:23,160 I was. Yeah, it was the first time that I entered a gym. 133 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,880 OK. So was that in the Netherlands? 134 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,240 That was on Aruba. OK. That was on Aruba. 135 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,600 So but since that time I was in and out, 136 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,920 it was like not like a year that I didn't do anything. 137 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,280 So I was always even when it was just maybe once a month. 138 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,920 Doesn't matter. But it was still in the routine. 139 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,560 I would still just go for a run. 140 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,600 Just just like, yeah, cool. Yeah. 141 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,680 Gym was that here. 142 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,640 That was my best. 143 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,120 That was my best part of. School. 144 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,200 Yeah, Marvel. Sorry. 145 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Spabal everything, but I'm there, sir. 146 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,720 You're right there. 147 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,560 Like, didn't you have class right now? 148 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,160 No, you're skipping classes, but I'm coming back to school. 149 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,280 To. Or they had a gym in the school. 150 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Yeah. Yeah. OK. 151 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,320 So I'm coming back to school for. 152 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,040 Yeah. For that hour. 153 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,560 That. Yeah, of course. 154 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Hello. My favorite class. 155 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,920 Oh, the gym class. Yeah. 156 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,240 The gym class. OK. OK. OK. 157 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,240 You skip. You skip in history and. 158 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,600 I skip everything. I go by my grandma. 159 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,840 OK. You don't listen to that part. 160 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,520 Go to schools. Go to your classes. Yeah. 161 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,320 Or don't as long as you pass, as long as you pass, as long as you know. 162 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,480 So now if we fast forward to 163 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,720 you arrived in the Netherlands, how old were you when you came? 164 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,000 24, 24. OK. Yeah, boy. 165 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,320 OK. So what what what what sort of happened in between 18 to 24? 166 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,320 So those highlights. 167 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,200 So I finished my half. 168 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Then. Yeah, I couldn't really like make a decision to come to the net. 169 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,480 It was either I'm going to the Netherlands, I'm going to the States. 170 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:15,080 Yeah. So I was really like, OK, so I'm just working on Aruba and just. 171 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,840 Enjoying. Not going to school anymore and being that working person, 172 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,840 you know, living in a home and just, yeah, more partying and just that life, 173 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,880 the island life, the island young life, the island life just almost 174 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,280 got fully sucked into it that I didn't come to the Netherlands. 175 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:42,080 So how how much of that island life percentage wise? 176 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,480 How deep were you enjoying just the young party? 177 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Too much. Don't give a shit about too much. 178 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Too much. Did not give. 179 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,240 I mean, we know each other. Wow. 180 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,640 We know each other. Wow. So, you know, 181 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,400 you know that guy, you know that guy. 182 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,440 So then, yeah, I that's another part of me. 183 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,240 So I don't mind getting in trouble. 184 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,480 I don't mind going that extra mile. 185 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,760 I don't mind. It doesn't bother me that way. 186 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,440 So not really a very positive 187 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,800 come back unless you got a hold of me. 188 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,800 If you got a hold of me, then it helps. 189 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,360 Yeah. Then you can find a balance. 190 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,720 Yeah. But then the island life. 191 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,680 So between 18 and 24, it wasn't really balance. 192 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,560 It was more tiptowards. 193 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,480 I was enjoying it, enjoying blowing everything I make. 194 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,680 Just it was it was a night like that was what it's all about. 195 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,920 So 24, you arrive in the Netherlands. 196 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,040 Yes. And you came to follow a study, right? 197 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:49,480 Yeah, because what I did do is so my uncle, 198 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,240 I came to study business management. 199 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,320 Yeah. My uncle, yeah, he passed. 200 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,320 But he has still in St. 201 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,560 Martin, New World Freight. 202 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:02,520 So he has a business there and he wanted to open one on Aruba. 203 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,200 Yeah. Now, mind I'm 18. 204 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,160 My uncle's telling me I want to open up this business here. 205 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,120 Yeah. I jumped fully into it because I'm like, I like it. 206 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,600 I like the challenge. 207 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,880 He gave me the ropes, taught me they used to fly to 208 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,720 Curaçao to meet other 209 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,720 clients as we used to ship from the free zone in Curaçao. 210 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,200 Yeah. Find clients there, bring the products over to Aruba where 211 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,440 like all those clothing stores in the main street 212 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,800 would buy them from there and then I would ship it. 213 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,520 Yeah. So for those that don't know the main street, 214 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,080 well, used to be, yeah, the 215 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,880 yeah, yeah, used to be the the the main 216 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,040 shopping street in Aruba. 217 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,440 Yeah. But I think just like everywhere else in the world, retail, retail, 218 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,120 retail is dying. 219 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,040 So it's it's definitely not that mean anymore. 220 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,320 Yeah, because it was a good vibe. 221 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,600 Yeah. I can imagine Friday. 222 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,640 Yeah. Yeah. 223 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,440 Cars used to. Yeah, it was just a good vibe. 224 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,360 Yeah. But yeah, taught me the ropes. 225 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:22,320 So got me really engaged in what it is to be business minded 226 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,120 and do business. Yeah. 227 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,640 And loved it. 228 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,080 That that was the reason that I came to the Netherlands to study 229 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,800 business management, because I'm like, OK, I love I love. 230 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,240 I enjoy doing this. 231 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,040 I enjoy the whole process, everything that has to do with it. 232 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,600 The conversation done with the clients, trying to win 233 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,480 new clients and get more people to ship with the negotiation. 234 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:49,880 Yeah. The whole sales. 235 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,680 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like I like that interaction with the mainly 236 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,480 Hindu is mainly people from from India. 237 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,520 Many do so. 238 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,320 Oh, yeah, because the the mainstream was made 239 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,280 a little Indian. 240 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,680 Yeah. It's similar in Simart. 241 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,480 Yeah. Yeah. All the jewelry stores, electronics. 242 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,680 Electronic. Yeah. 243 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:17,000 Actually went to school with some guys from Bolchan. 244 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,120 Yeah. I know. I know a lot of people in the Indian community pretty well. 245 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,520 Yeah. They would teach you how to negotiate. 246 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,720 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 247 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,360 They are master negotiators. 248 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,120 They got no shout out to my Indian squad. 249 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,680 Yeah. Yeah. So it was nice. 250 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:38,640 I really like interacting with them and learning from them at that young age. 251 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:42,040 Yeah, because they had a lot of things that they had that 252 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:49,400 they were I was I could have soaked in that confidence to go into that conversation 253 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,640 and to just like, boom, no, this no, a very good price. 254 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,800 No more done. Sorry. 255 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,240 Yeah. Yeah. 256 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,320 And then to try to counter that with them, with the knowledge that they have. 257 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,280 So it was more like a challenge for me every time. 258 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,880 So I really enjoyed it. 259 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,400 That's the reason I came. 260 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,160 Then I was like, OK, I can't do this. 261 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,240 I want to go and continue my studies. 262 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,640 So then we shot down in Aruba and I 263 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:23,200 before because I was I had to leave that year, but I stayed two years more. 264 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,920 Just, you know, just partying and bullshit. 265 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,720 Party and boom and party. 266 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,120 All right. So you're here. 267 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,240 Began international international business. 268 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,480 Yeah. So how did that go? 269 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:43,760 Or how did we go from from there to the to start in the transition? 270 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,560 Yeah, that was. 271 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:53,440 Yeah, you know, the legs from the party island touches European soil 272 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,040 that has kilometers of party scene. 273 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,880 So that first year. 274 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,360 Right. You came to study. 275 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:11,280 I came to study your mother, your father, your uncle said you to study. 276 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:16,120 I came to study with them books that which books are we using books? 277 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,000 Yeah, it was it was a difficult transition. 278 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,080 It was a difficult transition, especially because I was out of school 279 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,320 for like three years already. 280 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,400 Yeah, just working. 281 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,440 So now I have to fall back into school. 282 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,560 I felt like I was somewhere else mentally. 283 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,120 And I'm there in class with a very younger generation. 284 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,680 Yeah, I felt and also I was still on that hype. 285 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:42,760 I was still on that party. 286 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:49,400 I still had like maybe too much of a piggy bank also for the nightlife here. 287 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,640 So it was a whole different mixture of things of that sort. 288 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,080 So if you if you look back, right. 289 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,040 But I also feel that you're the type you look back and there's no regrets. 290 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,360 But yeah, but there are there are. 291 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:13,000 Would you recommend someone to leave sort of immediately 292 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:18,200 or would you recommend them to to to maybe first take their time 293 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,920 a bit longer and try and figure out what you want to do? 294 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,160 Yeah, I think that's the best way to do it. 295 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,560 Figure out what you want to do. Yeah, yeah. 296 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,800 And this is from me talking to a lot more other ex students 297 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,760 or my peers or new students that are coming. 298 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,360 The transition from coming to the island 299 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,120 onto the Netherlands is a is a very big step. 300 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:49,760 Yeah. The way of life is different, totally different. 301 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,600 And you're coming from a place of chill. 302 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,320 I mean, you work, but it's still on a chill level. 303 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,200 And as soon as you touch down here, it's go time. 304 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,640 Yeah, it's going like project after project and study. 305 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,080 And it's not like, OK, I'm going to do this tomorrow. 306 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:13,680 No, sorry. You're you're already you just because of that difference. 307 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,440 You're already months behind. Yeah. 308 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,760 So every day that you let pass, it just hopes up hopes up. 309 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,440 We just get more and more and more and more. 310 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,640 So I find that we we we need to. 311 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,880 Make sure that when the youths are coming this way, 312 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,320 they are better prepared that they truly understand 313 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,720 what it is to like really work hard and or maybe have like a system 314 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,080 depending on where they're going. 315 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,240 They're going to the States, if you're going to the Netherlands, 316 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,960 that they have like a time period that they would go through that whole process. 317 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Yeah. This is like this is how it goes. 318 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,640 You have to do your own. 319 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,640 You have to like not like the the week or two that they usually do in the island. 320 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,120 I think it has to be very much prepared. 321 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,600 Because usually they come from from a havo. 322 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,320 Yeah. And you switch from the havo to that havo. 323 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,240 I mean, bro, I I did have a. 324 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,440 Einstein, bro. 325 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,400 Just to be honest, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. 326 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,400 Like I was. 327 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:25,000 And when we did that exam, they just introduced that calculator, the KM. 328 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,360 So you have to do everything with the KM. 329 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,880 I went to my risk and the teacher. 330 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,920 Yeah, so the math, the math, the math teacher like, bro. 331 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,040 I ain't got time for this. 332 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:38,920 It's like, break it down for me. 333 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,960 So he broke down our. Yeah. 334 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,840 Took me like forever to finish the exam, but I did it without a calculator. 335 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,880 So you cannot do that when you get to the havo. 336 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,120 You got to really learn that stuff. 337 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:57,200 And it's a lot more if you're going to take those type of shortcuts. 338 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,120 It's a lot more. 339 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:02,680 So if you have two hours for an exam, it's going to take you five hours to do it. 340 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,320 On that way. So you have to be continuously ten steps ahead. 341 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,000 And you're not accustomed to that when you're coming from. 342 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,640 I mean, I studied like the night before. Yeah. 343 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,120 Or some things I just didn't even study was just from listening 344 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:18,760 from what the teacher said. Yeah. 345 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,000 And done. Got my stamp. 346 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,560 You passed. 347 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,040 But that doesn't play when you get here. 348 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,520 It's a whole different ballgame. 349 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:29,760 So the whole different. 350 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,120 So that year, I had a lot of challenges in the first year. 351 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,440 A lot of challenges, a lot of personal challenges. 352 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,440 It was fighting with, OK, you got to study, but that was. 353 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,600 The streets were calling. 354 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,840 The streets were calling. 355 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,360 So when you because how long did you spend in the in that study? 356 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,520 International business, two and a half years. 357 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,440 So I did my first year and second year. 358 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,120 So then I went to Stasia and. 359 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,600 A lot of personal things was going on, too, because my grandmother passed. 360 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,120 Oh, shit. Like growing up, I had my granddad, 361 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,200 my dad's dad and my mom's mom. 362 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,280 Yeah. So they were my grandparents. 363 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,240 And then my grandpa passed before I came. 364 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,120 But then my grandma, she was sick and had a whole team. 365 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:24,160 And I got a lot of my jokes and my character and my positive vibe. 366 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,000 That's that's that's my grandma that you see right there. Yeah. 367 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,160 So that was also a moment of. 368 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,200 Yeah, yeah. 369 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,120 They want to do anything and, you know, just feeling bad at the last 370 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,840 like the last few moments of her life. 371 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,000 I was here in the Netherlands. Yeah. 372 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,440 You know, having the regret, I should have just stayed. 373 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,640 You know, she was sick. 374 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,360 This that played a role in then 375 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,400 just sitting in the office one day and but that oh, yeah. 376 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,520 Sports, party life. 377 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,600 I ain't going to school. Yeah. But I'm hitting the gym. Yeah. 378 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,040 So that was always in the equation from that time. 379 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,840 Like I said, from 18, it was always in the equation. 380 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,720 So not going to school, but I'm more faithful to 381 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,000 help first in here in the clock about. 382 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,640 Oh, snap. Yeah. Upstairs. 383 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,560 Yeah. This building. 384 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,560 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 385 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,320 Now it's fit for free. It was held first. 386 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,240 Oh, that was. Oh snap. Yeah. 387 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,200 Yeah. It's held city. It was held city. Yeah. 388 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,760 The blue. Yeah. It was held city. 389 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,760 Now it's fit for free. Yeah. 390 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,760 Well, that's gone now, too. Yeah. 391 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,440 That was really a while back. 392 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,440 That was 17 years. 393 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,440 We hear a lot. Yeah. 394 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,240 We hear a lot. But. 395 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,640 So after. So it was during your internship that 396 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,640 that certain things clicked for you. 397 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,640 That was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, 398 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,640 this was this is this is not it. 399 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:10,640 I can't I can't see myself just sitting in an office and just doing this. 400 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,640 No, no, no, no, no. 401 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,640 I was I was hearing the people, them talk like lunch lunch break and 402 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,640 tell about their life routine, just general conversation. 403 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,640 But I'm just filtering it. And I'm like, no, this is not me. 404 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,640 Yeah. You say me. 405 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:33,640 So after that, I had like a year of even more hardship as in, you know, 406 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,640 go tell your parents, I'm dropping out of college. 407 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,640 I'm not going to drop out. What? 408 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,640 Excuse me. So you're working. 409 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,640 I'm doing that either. 410 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,640 You know, so my mom's like, what you doing? 411 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,640 Are you living? Yeah. 412 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,640 But the gym, that was my mecca. 413 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,640 That was my place of peace. That was where I went to. 414 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,640 So when I'm just feeling somewhere, I'm going there and I'm just just running. 415 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,640 Just running on the treadmill, just get in some way, just keep on moving and thinking, 416 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,640 what? Yeah. What is this? Yeah. 417 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,640 What am I going to do? I mean, I'm here. 418 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,640 Am I going to go back? I'm not going back. 419 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,640 I'm going to enjoy this at least a while. Yeah. 420 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,640 So I think it was a year, year and a half 421 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,640 after that, someone in the gym is like, bro, you're here like continuously. 422 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,640 Sometimes I wish to go literally like two times in a day. 423 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,640 So I go in the morning and then so that so that year and a half is basically 424 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,640 when when you more or less dropped out. 425 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,640 Yeah. After the two and a half years. 426 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,640 Yeah. I drop. I had like a year and a half of 427 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,640 where who am I? What I'm going to do. Yeah. 428 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,640 If I don't want to do that, but I'm good at it. 429 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,640 It was I was not a dog because I did it. I can do it. Yeah. 430 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,640 But but you were like, is this going to be the rest of my life? 431 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,640 I don't think so. Am I going to make these hours like this? 432 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,640 There's no problem. You got to make hours. 433 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,640 But how are you going to spend those hours? 434 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,640 And then technically while he was trying to figure out yourself, you were always in the damn gym. 435 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,640 Yeah. That was twice a week. 436 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,640 Yeah. No, twice a day. 437 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,640 Oh, shit, shit. Twice a day. 438 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,640 Just to twice a day. 439 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,640 Five days a week or seven days a week? 440 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,640 Five or six sometimes. 441 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,640 Yes. Yes. It was a lot. 442 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,640 It was like so. So basically the answer was right there. 443 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,640 Yeah. There was someone in the gym. Who was this dude? 444 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,640 I have no idea. 445 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,640 OK. I don't even. 446 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,640 All right. Random dude. Yeah. 447 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,640 Random dude. He was working at random dude, AKA angel dude. 448 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:47,640 Yes. He was working at the again, Health City in the PSV stadium. 449 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:53,640 Because then I moved to that gym because in here started to get really crowded and a whole different group. 450 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,640 So I moved to that one. 451 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,640 It was a little bit more relaxed, a little bit less busy. 452 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,640 Yeah. And yeah, he was like, bro, you're here like every day. 453 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,640 You're literally working here. 454 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:15,640 But it stuck. It stuck in my head. So I'm like, yeah, if I'm investing so much time in this. 455 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,640 Why not? Exactly. 456 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,640 Movement was always in my life. It was always there. 457 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,640 It was always something you enjoyed. Yeah. 458 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,640 Something I enjoyed. 459 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,640 It kept me sane, kept me from the streets. 460 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,640 You weren't forced to go. 461 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,640 No, no. 462 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,640 It's crazy because it wasn't like school. 463 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,640 It was crazy. 464 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,640 Like skip school to train. 465 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,640 But yeah, it stuck for me for a while. 466 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:50,640 So I started to look into it, started to look into it and like, hey, how does that look like? 467 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:57,640 Yeah. So I was like, okay, again, am I going to go to Fontys? 468 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,640 So am I going to do that study for years and I didn't want to. 469 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,640 Like I really, really didn't want to sit down in that bench anymore for that amount of time. 470 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,640 I was like, I'm done with that. 471 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,640 So I went for a course. 472 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:18,640 I went for a personal training, trainer A, trainer B was it then a personal trainer. 473 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,640 And from there, I started working in a gym. 474 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,640 So I started working in the gym that was in Utrecht. 475 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:34,640 And yeah, after a while, I got still searching, still searching. 476 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,640 So I definitely made a decision. 477 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,640 This is the route that I'm going to take. 478 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,640 This is the path I'm going to take in life because it comes naturally. 479 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,640 I don't feel like I'm going to work. 480 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:49,640 It feels like I'm just passing my day the way that I want to pass my day. 481 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:55,640 So that made it easy, made it easy to wake up, easy to go to, easy made that all easy. 482 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:08,640 Let's say maybe a year because then I was I moved to Utrecht for a year or two. 483 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:14,640 But then it started to like, I'm helping people. 484 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,640 But like maybe it was just where I was at. 485 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:30,640 The location, but like the people that I'm coaching, they just want to come in and do like two, three movements. 486 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:36,640 And yeah, so no one that really wanted to push themselves to the next level. 487 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,640 Me being new in the game, I want to see changes. 488 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,640 I want to push you to that another level. 489 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,640 I mean, but I also think you have a certain competitive nature, right? 490 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:53,640 Yeah, I'd say if I can't stand it, if you say I can't. 491 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:59,640 Yeah, then my something boils in me and I got to get you there. 492 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,640 Yeah, I have to get you there. 493 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,640 I have to get there even if you don't see it in yourself, if you don't believe it. 494 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,640 Yeah, it's a beautiful moment when it happens. 495 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:19,640 Yeah, that's sort of your unlock and there's a big sense of accomplishment there when you can take people out of their head. 496 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:27,640 Yeah, into that transition and actually pull the best out of themselves. 497 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,640 It makes it more than just physical. 498 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:37,640 Because of being a sports coach, it's physical. 499 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,640 I see those challenges that they see before themselves. 500 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:50,640 But I see it just like a daily routine, just like, OK, if that's the way you think about that movement in your life, 501 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,640 you might have the same things over different situations. 502 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,640 Is it maybe you want to go ask your boss for a raise? 503 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,640 Yeah, I can't. 504 00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,640 I can't. 505 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,640 Maybe you want to. 506 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:10,640 So for me, it was the more that the more opportunity I get to push you over that one challenge, 507 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:20,640 the more you practice that, maybe, maybe, maybe you would take it on with your life outside of the gym. 508 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,640 Yeah. So I actually did. 509 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,640 You also see this as a big confidence booster. 510 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,640 Yeah, yeah. 511 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,640 So, so yeah, because of what it was for me in those moments of. 512 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,640 Yeah, I know that because I kept moving, it helped me stay balanced. 513 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,640 Yeah. So it helped me that I know at least physically, at least I'm good. 514 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,640 I'm feeling, you know, I'm OK. 515 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:51,640 So then somewhere in you, even though there's still a fight, your path wasn't like exactly clear 516 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,640 and you were still searching and still trying to figure it out. 517 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,640 But because the physical aspect, you continue to push yourself there. 518 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640 It also helped you to continue to push yourself mentally. 519 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,640 I could think I had more clarity. 520 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,640 Yeah. They said that I didn't go to the gym like literally I would be because there were more moments. 521 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,640 I was more there were a few were going to have a few of those drop points in life. 522 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:20,640 But every time it was that it was like literally. 523 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:26,640 Can't fall asleep three o'clock midnight literally. 524 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,640 Backpack wastes in it. 525 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,640 Henry Dunham Park. 526 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,640 No shit. 527 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,640 Running that shit up and down at 3 a.m. 528 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:43,640 People if people walk by, they'll be like, what? 529 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,640 What the fuck is going on? 530 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640 It's a rock and shit. 531 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,640 It's dark and shit. You just hearing. 532 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,640 And I'm just talking to myself. 533 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,640 Cue the eye of the music. 534 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,640 Yeah, yes, yes. 535 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:09,640 I did always have that in me like moments and I and that's what that's what sport did for me and training. 536 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:16,640 So how would you say then that correlation is between the physical health and the mental health? 537 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,640 Yeah, it's the same battle. 538 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,640 I. 539 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:30,640 Out of my perspective, it's almost impossible to be mentally strong and physically weak. 540 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:38,640 It's almost impossible because every cell in your body is what makes a strong mind. 541 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:51,640 So for me, if I'm weak here, bro, up here, you do have those individuals, those pit bulls that they're already all torn up physically can't do shit, but they're still up here going. 542 00:31:51,640 --> 00:32:00,640 But if you're physically fit, as in there's nothing holding you back, just your mind. 543 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,640 It's incredible when you're in shape and I'm not talking being an athlete. 544 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,640 Just just feel good. You know, you got that. 545 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:14,640 You got that drive. You got that push. You wake up. You feel clarity. You feel it. 546 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,640 It helps when life starts. 547 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,640 Yeah, yeah. 548 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Throwing those punches, throwing those punches at you. 549 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,640 It helps a lot because you can take it. I can take it. 550 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,640 Yeah, punch me. I don't care. 551 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,640 I got it. I ain't nobody can beat me up like I beat myself up. 552 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,640 You can't. That's a lot of times I get the question. 553 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,640 You're always so happy. 554 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,640 Bro, I beat myself up every day. 555 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,640 You don't know how I'm beating myself up every day. 556 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,640 Like, what you doing? Get up. 557 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:52,640 Yeah. So during that one and a half years. 558 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640 Well, actually, we passed the one and a half years, right? 559 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:03,640 Okay. So after that one and a half year period where the guy approached you like, Hey, I see you here all the time. 560 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,640 It's basically like you work in here. 561 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,640 How long did you take to do those courses? 562 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,640 I think it was like a year. 563 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,640 Like a year. And then you did three courses in the year. 564 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,640 Yeah, I did three courses. 565 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:28,640 After I did the first, I was already then working in the gym because there was a... 566 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,640 You just needed a one course to be able to get started. 567 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,640 And then you leveled up every time. 568 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,640 Because I wanted to be keep on. 569 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,640 Yeah, I wanted to choose a career path. 570 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,640 So it was okay. Let me get everything that I can. 571 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,640 And so I can start like being a personal trainer. 572 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,640 And from there, find out. 573 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,640 Yeah. So how long did you then spend doing the personal training? 574 00:33:52,640 --> 00:34:04,640 Not long. Not long because the way that I was doing it was not really intriguing and not really... 575 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,640 Yeah. 576 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,640 It wasn't fulfilling. 577 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,640 Fulfilling. No, no, at all. It wasn't fulfilling. 578 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:15,640 And that's why I say maybe it was a place that I was or but I wasn't getting that fulfillment from it. 579 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,640 Because I knew I could do much more than what was happening at that moment. 580 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,640 So you felt like the path is right. 581 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,640 Yeah. 582 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,640 But then the current place you needed to move beyond that. 583 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,640 Yeah. So I wanted to see and explore what type of... 584 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,640 How can you train someone? What are the different ways? 585 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,640 Because I find like this is not the only way that it can't be. 586 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:48,640 So I started to dive into how do athletes train. It's like a baseball player because I love baseball. 587 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,640 So that was the first that I was really diving into. 588 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:59,640 Oh, so different sports train different ways. Oh, wait a minute. You have. Oh, wait a minute. 589 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,640 So where did you do that research then? 590 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,640 Dr. Google, bro. Dr. Google. 591 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,640 Google, bro. Nights. Night times. 592 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,640 So that because around which period we talking now? 593 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,640 Now we're talking about 2011. 594 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,640 OK. Yeah, around there. 595 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:29,640 So were you getting this content more like in blog form or videos? 596 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,640 A lot of blog. YouTube was empty. 597 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:41,640 Yeah. It was a lot of blogs, a lot of university documents that I also like research. 598 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,640 Yeah. Yeah. Like a lot of just blank text, bro. 599 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:54,640 A lot of just reading. And before you even get to a part that talks about training, you're like, oh, my God. 600 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,640 Where are we going to be talking about? 601 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:05,640 Yeah. So essentially what I'm hearing is the traditional college route was just not meant for you. 602 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,640 No. But then when you started to find your team. 603 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:16,640 I actually mailed schools for can I just can I not just do this curriculum? 604 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,640 Can I not just get this part? Yeah. Because I'm interested in this. 605 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,640 Yeah. Just the rest. Keep it. Keep the rest. 606 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,640 I want to learn more about this. But that was not an option. 607 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,640 They wanted to sell you the four year course. 608 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,640 They want to make money. I want to make money too. 609 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:43,640 Not the three month. No, no. They're like, no, we cannot chop things down for you, bro. 610 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,640 But now it's different. Now it's a whole different ballgame. 611 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:56,640 Now there's so many other information is out there. Yeah. 612 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,640 It's out there. I think school is a dying form. It's a dying form. 613 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,640 The information is out there. And it's I find that if you're hungry for knowledge. 614 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,640 Yeah. Bro, there's no limit. Everything is right at your finger. 615 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,640 Yeah. It's on your phone. Everything is right there. Everything is right there. 616 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,640 You want to learn about something? Google. Yeah. 617 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,640 You're getting even crazier now. Yeah. Yeah. It's getting even crazy. 618 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,640 Excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry, Siri. 619 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,640 But all the work for you that chat GPT. Yeah. Going crazy now. 620 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:38,640 It's on a whole new level. Yeah. But it just makes information way more accessible, way more accessible. 621 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:55,640 Because that is yes, it does. So let's so you spent a very short period there, but you essentially went to a midnight college because you were researching all of the good college papers, university research. 622 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:09,640 I still have I'm going to show you. I still have those my script, my exercise books, stoppies. I got stacks. Yeah. 623 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:18,640 And sometimes I go through them and I'm looking at the ten years ago. I'm like, are you so stupid? 624 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:31,640 What were you thinking here? But it's beautiful that I kept those because I can see myself developing and my way of thinking. 625 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:45,640 And but really the interesting part that I hear in your story now, because I mean, even though we know each other, we never have these type of conversations about that whole transition. 626 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:56,640 Yeah. Yeah. You essentially went to the University of Rigel. You went out to research your own curriculum, put it together. 627 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:04,640 I'm still in it. Yeah. Because if you're describing that you're reading these research papers and you go through pages and pages before you get to the meat of it. 628 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,640 Yeah. Yeah. Essentially, that's also kind of what you do in class. And it sticks. Something sticks. 629 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:18,640 Like I think like I oh, but then I'm in a training or I see someone moving. I'm like, wait. Yeah. 630 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:27,640 You're like shifting to that. Wait, wait, wait, wait. And I'm back back on those papers. Yeah. 631 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:34,640 But again, just like that guy in the gym that said, maybe you should. 632 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:43,640 I was searching for a new way to train. Yeah. A new way to train people. Yeah. And that was one guy. 633 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,640 I told him to because I met him. I didn't meet him because I remembered him and I met him later. 634 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:56,640 And he introduced me to CrossFit. Yeah. He said, hey, I'm training like this. 635 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:05,640 So he showed me a video of what he was doing. He's like flipping the tires and running and hitting it. I'm like, yeah. 636 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,640 Yes. I was sold. I was sold. So I dove immediately into it. 637 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:22,640 And that was then 2012. But then like right now, if you want to, there are a lot of you can go for those applications for level one, level two. 638 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:30,640 You can do that in the Netherlands. But back then, we're talking about 2012. You had to go somewhere else. 639 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:37,640 Yeah. So I went to England. I went to. Oh, God. 640 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,640 Oh, man. Oh, beautiful story about that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I met some like. 641 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:49,640 Okay. So you went to a place, a city in England. England went there to get the level one CrossFit. 642 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:55,640 And from there, it began. So first I did. I searched for a CrossFit in Eindhoven. 643 00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,640 There was nothing. There was like Heimert and there was one in Helmond. Yeah. 644 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:07,640 And shout out to Renato from Blumhouse because he was like the first trainer I got in contact to. 645 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:16,640 He introduced me to it again. Same same gym routine. Coming in the morning, coming in the evening. Same thing. 646 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:25,640 So it was incredible. So you first started just going to CrossFit yourself as an individual. 647 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:31,640 Just going in. They didn't say I was trained. They didn't say I had ambition for it. No, I just wanted to soak it in. 648 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:39,640 Yeah. What is it? What is it about? I just wanted to be a student. Yeah. So I just wanted to coach me. 649 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:47,640 Just get me moving. I want to. That's the best way that I learned. Yeah. It's just by being present. 650 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:59,640 And still doing my research. So he's now he's watching me coming in and doing things. He's like, hey, what's that? 651 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:10,640 You never think, where are you going? Hey, hey, legs. But when I leave from because I used to work less. I was working twice a week. 652 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:19,640 The rest of the time I'm turning. So now I'm fully in that zone stage of this is what I'm going for. So I'm still in school. 653 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:27,640 Yeah. So every other moment that I have. In the school of Rydrum. Yeah. I'm in there learning, teaching and I was there. 654 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:34,640 If one thing about CrossFit, if you start with like those Olympic lifts, you got to be mobile. 655 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:40,640 So you got to get the bar in an overhead squat, like holding the bar above your head and squat. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah. 656 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:54,640 You guys try and kill me. You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. 657 00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:02,640 No, no, I got something for you, bro. I got something for you. Yeah. You're going nowhere. 658 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:13,640 But so I got injured. So I got injured. I messed up my shoulder. Yeah. Really bad. Like I had no grip hours. 659 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:23,640 Like if I picked this up, it would just like slip out my hand. I was like literally hitting three ibuprofen, three pills to go train in the morning. 660 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:29,640 I hit one immediately after training because they didn't want to overdose. 661 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:37,640 And then at night I would train through pain because I want to take them before I go to sleep. Otherwise, I can't fall asleep. 662 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:46,640 So then it was like this is that's some addict stuff. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Looking back, I'm like, bro. But that was my journey. 663 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:56,640 That's how I came into. Oh, wait a minute. Mobility is stability is something. Yeah. It's not just go hard. 664 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:04,640 You can't just go. It doesn't matter where you I want. I was when I'm in there, I'm in there. I'm going 100, 200%. 665 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:17,640 But you have to prepare the body to be able you like one way that I see it right now is you can't just do that. That movement. Yeah. 666 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:27,640 It has to be earned. You got to earn the right to perform that movement and to earn it. You got to go through that process. Yeah. Yeah. 667 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:34,640 And if you don't go through that process and you take that shortcut, you're going to learn. Yeah. You're going to learn like I learned. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pain. 668 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:45,640 So it was messing up the shoulder. It's kind of like with everything in life. Yeah. You. Yeah. There's no shortcuts. 669 00:44:45,640 --> 00:45:07,640 There's no shortcuts. And I remember experiencing some of those first mobility classes and really thinking like, Whoa, they're really pushing you to the limit here. But also the way how you broke down a lot of the reasons behind what you do and how it prepares you to then to be able to do these other aspects. 670 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:29,640 And I could even imagine. And I mean, it's not my profession, but I'm thinking about someone like LeBron James. Yeah. He's been 20 years in the sport and I know he puts his he has like a huge regimen to put his body. 671 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:51,640 He makes sure his body is at 100 to perform that way. Yeah. Because otherwise it's gonna. My issue was later on with high intensity training is that because it got so famous, a lot of people were doing the movement. 672 00:45:51,640 --> 00:46:05,640 There was a lot of injury. There's nothing wrong with those movements. What the problem is that you haven't earned the right to perform those. Yeah. So you haven't taken the time to prepare your body to be able to perform this movement. That's where all those injuries came from. 673 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:23,640 So you have a lot of people. And that's really the mobility aspect of it that you need to go through. Yes. And that brings that a lot of people would talk bad about certain training forms. Yeah. It's not bad. It's just that the people that are doing it without that preparation. 674 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:41,640 So they skip the step. Of course it's gonna be bad. Step one is you. It's like taking my child right now. He's in kindergarten. No, no, no, no. He's supposed to be in college right now. Yeah. Put him in college. What's gonna happen? 675 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:56,640 Is he dumb? No, he's not dumb. He's just not prepared for that. Yeah. So there's steps to it. There's steps to it. There's level to the game. Let me put it that way. There's level to the game and there's no shame in the game. You can still do high intensity but without those complex movement and keep it safe. Yeah. 676 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:17,640 And this for me was finding out the hard way. But that's how I again rabbit hole boom. How do I rehab my shoulder? What's wrong with it? I can push in this position that does pain that position if I go out where it's painful. Okay. 677 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:32,640 So how do I rehab my own body and the shoulders and that was my hips and my ankles and was my back because after I blew my shoulder, I did. All right. You're getting rest. But I was still going twice in the gym. What am I doing? Squats, lunges, jump. 678 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:59,640 You. So after a while, my back said, bro. So the University of Rigel, it first started with the knowledge gain, right? And then it went into some courses. Then it went into practicing. Yeah. Then within that first aspect, it wasn't sort of deep enough. 679 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:18,640 So you went looking for a new type of way of training. You found this way. Then you first started to become a student of it. Then you destroyed your whole body. Not understanding. Not earning those rights. 680 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:33,640 So you became your own guinea pig. Like, okay. So how do I fix my body? But then that makes you a great trainer to know and see that people are going to. Yeah. You continue with that. Yeah. 681 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:52,640 Immediately. And also, like you just said, also, like when I'm giving a class, I'm explaining. So my whole point and that's still how I teach and I look at it. 682 00:48:52,640 --> 00:49:06,640 Even if you're not training with me anymore, if you've trained a while with me, you know how to train your body. That's like my sole purpose. If you've trained at primary performance, if you train someone, you know how to warm up. 683 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:22,640 You know how if you do it or not, that's on you. That's on you because you've been taught how to do it. But my sole purpose is to teach the reason. Yeah. And that was definitely something that I highly appreciated. 684 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:37,640 Even though we just had a few sessions together, but in those sessions, like the learnings that you got from that, it's definitely the type of stuff that sticks with you and what is super valuable, whether or not you train together. Yeah. 685 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:52,640 Yeah. Yeah. Because now I still get messages from people that used to train with me from everywhere like, oh, I went to this new gym and they're already telling me like, oh, and that's the beauty of it because it's a gift that keeps on giving. 686 00:49:52,640 --> 00:50:15,640 Because sometimes I would be like in the gym and I would see someone explaining a certain movement or warming up or whatever to another athlete. Yeah. Another. And I'm like, yeah, that's what it is. That's it. 687 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:35,640 Yeah. That right there. Those moments are incredible. But it started with breaking this up, bro. It started with laying on a massage table with my pants half down and a dude with his elbow just breaking this shit out of my hand. 688 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:46,640 It's a really humbling moment in my life. I was crying not because it hurt, but it hurt in here. 689 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:53,640 It hurt in here. The physical pain didn't make you cry, but your soul was crying. We got this far. 690 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,640 Never again. 691 00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:22,640 I learned that day. Yeah, I learned that day. I learned to appreciate what your body does for you and started diving deep into, okay, how can I keep my body healthy, mobile, moving the way that I want it to if I want to do this type of training, if I want to. 692 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:30,640 So if that is what I need my body to do, I still have to prep. So I have to do that type of thing. 693 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:36,640 So we're now. What was this moment? Where are we at 2012? 694 00:51:36,640 --> 00:52:01,640 That moment is yes, that moment is 2012. That was 2013. 2013 because then when I dive into it, I started to get the confidence that okay, I'm getting a very broad understanding of what needs to be done from beginning to the end. 695 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:12,640 Mobility wise to rehab injuries to prevent was that's the biggest one is to prevent because we don't want those injuries. 696 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:33,640 And conditioning wise, how to push different type of your engines and because I had my shoulder and my back, I know. Okay, so this is a way if accidents happen, if you get injured, these are ways that you can still get back on the game. 697 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:43,640 So it's not like, oh, the pain is gone and just jumping back in. Baby steps back up, baby. It's very humbling. It's very humbling when you get injured because you have to start this ego crushing. 698 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:52,640 So that's what I really like also about that type of training because you can think, oh, yeah, you come in there like you're alpha male and you get humble. 699 00:52:52,640 --> 00:53:06,640 You get humble real quick. So yeah. And so then I started thinking about maybe I can open up my own place. So then it started to really like falling. 700 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:21,640 Then the business side came back into. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe. Then I remember somewhere around 2013 us having some of those initial conversations. 701 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:34,640 Yeah. Weren't you somewhere in the Czech Republic too at some point? Yes. Yes. Because that was one of the beautiful relationship that I built when I went to the level one in England. 702 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:53,640 Yeah. Is I met a guy and he had he was organizing a CrossFit competition. He already organized one this time was going to go bigger. CrossFit was backing him up. So and he was like, David, David is his name. 703 00:53:53,640 --> 00:54:04,640 He was like, yeah, would you come and help? And then I did. And all in jokes. So I'm like, I'm coming. He's like, yeah, you know, he's taking it for a joke. Yeah, I'm like, dude, I'm coming. 704 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:17,640 He's like, no, I didn't contact him for like, I think a month. And after that Monday was like a few like two weeks before the competition. 705 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:30,640 So I texted him. There was a message, Facebook, Facebook Messenger. Yeah. Hey, this is this day. You can't pick me up. 706 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:48,640 But that was that was an incredible experience because I got to get involved with high level athletes, people that were making a career out of CrossFit from that time. We were talking way back. 707 00:54:48,640 --> 00:55:14,640 So it barely touched the Dutch scene. CrossFit wasn't really something there. But being able to work with the team also from the CrossFit headquarters, they send like a team from Reebok and everything and being able to be backstage and work and learn. 708 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:24,640 Soak up the knowledge. Yeah. University of Rigel continued. That was an incredible experience. Still today I still say thank you. 709 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:46,640 Yeah, I remember how lit up and full of energy you were after that experience. Because I think at the time when we saw each other, we didn't see each other for a little while. And then when we ran into each other at the barbershop. 710 00:55:46,640 --> 00:56:00,640 And he started talking about what you've been up to and yeah, with the journey that actually solidified me as in. Yes. Yes. I'm going for this. 100%. I'm diving in, bro. I don't care what's going to happen. 711 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:10,640 I mean, I already dove in, broke that, but rebuilt, right? Rebuilding it back up. I was like, yes, this is definitely something I want to pursue. 712 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:29,640 So let's fast forward now to the first business opportunity of being part of building up a CrossFit gym. Yeah. Yeah. That was in Helmond. So I was coaching there. 713 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:38,640 Again, with the trainer where I started. So I was coaching there and I was really changing it up a little bit. 714 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:54,640 So you were coaching CrossFit? Yeah. Like breaking down the movements, breaking down the science, mobility wise is really changing the way that the class was being given it more my personal, what I was thinking. 715 00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:09,640 And he gave me the freedom to do it also. So I really appreciate that. And I met Jan Hang. Jan Hang, he passed also. Rest in peace. Yeah. Rest in peace, man. 716 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:18,640 I met him. We got into good conversations every time that I'm giving him classes. He had a house in Aruba. So we had a lot in common. 717 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:29,640 We could talk about a lot. And he was like, he had just a craftmaga, you know, the gym. Yeah. And he wanted to expand and go bigger. 718 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:37,640 And so I was like, oh, I'm thinking about opening up. He's like, maybe we should do something together. Maybe we can look into that. 719 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:50,640 So he called me one day out of the blue. He's like, I got two, three locations that I'm going to watch. What are you doing? Yeah. I'm like, this is cool. Let's go. Let's go. 720 00:57:50,640 --> 00:58:03,640 So we went to look at some location. Then right now we're the gym name and it's Powerhouse. Powerhouse 040. Where it's located, bro. I got picked. 721 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:19,640 You've been there. I was there when all the cobwebs was quite beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like anything was I always told him he needs to hang up pictures of what we found. 722 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:37,640 Seriously, I was standing there and this is something that I truly appreciate. Jan, we didn't look at everything from the same point of view, but I learned so much from this guy. 723 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:54,640 And he challenged me emotionally. Oh, business wise. It's incredible. But we were standing there outside of where they're at. Powerhouse right now. Yeah. And I'm like, bro, what are we doing? 724 00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:08,640 This old dude that owns the place, they opened the door and there were lights in there. We're walking like above our ankles in mud and slush. And the roof is like... 725 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:19,640 Okay, I didn't see it in that state. Exactly. That's why I'm telling you. He needs to hang up pictures of what if you look at the place now, this is just my opinion. 726 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:30,640 To this day, it's still for me, it's still the best looking and it's the best gym in Anja. I'm sorry. I really love that location. I really like what he did with the place. 727 00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:43,640 But especially seeing it from what I saw. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so that Jan Hein taught you... Vision, vision. Vision, vision. 728 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:55,640 Vision, bro. I didn't see that, bro. He taught me that. He showed me that. To be able to see the beauty in the mud. Yeah. It's not what you're looking at. There's more. 729 00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:07,640 There's a lot more into it. So and it was another floor in it. So it was like maybe, I think, three meters. And then it was... Oh, so you took out the other floor. 730 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:16,640 You know, at the wall, you see like this line that runs across the wall. But that was a floor in there. Like a floor from the front all the way to the back. 731 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:27,640 So they put up like a little like a little bore machine just break down that whole floor piece. It was a hell of a job. 732 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:37,640 But an incredibly beautiful experience that till this day, I'm thankful that he allowed me to be part of it. Yeah. Allowed me to be part of it. 733 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:50,640 And as soon as the door opened up, because mind, I... It took... Mind, I went to Aruba, got married, came back. 734 01:00:50,640 --> 01:01:04,640 So he took his time and waited for me for me to go do that. When I came back, we opened up and gave me the liberty to like, bro, this side is fight. 735 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:14,640 Yeah. This side. Do you think? Yeah. Do you think? So I'm here. 736 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:38,640 I have no like financial responsibility. All those information and all those tactics and all of that that I've been learning, I can implement and see what works, what doesn't, what works faster, what slower, what strength looks like, what strength and conditioning looks like. 737 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:50,640 So to be able to do that, and especially because we just opened, there was nothing in Eindhoven, we got a lot of raw people, like people that haven't been moving. 738 01:01:50,640 --> 01:02:02,640 And now I have to mobilize them and get them into those type of positions. So again, that the training of the Rigel University that you broke down your whole body. 739 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:16,640 Now you see each person coming in. Now I got projects. Everybody's walking in. That's our project. That's like literally a new project looking at me right in the face. So I'm like, yes. 740 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:27,640 And... So at the height of it, like approximately how many members did you guys get to when you were still collaborating business-wise? 741 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:43,640 We were at 250. 250 within what amount of time? 2014 to 2016. Okay. So in two years time. Yeah. So going from zero to 250. Zero to that place was wrong. That place. Yeah. Yeah. 742 01:02:43,640 --> 01:03:04,640 It still feels like a foster child of mine. I still have that feeling with that place and still have that, you know, because that's why I'm incredibly grateful for him. I'm incredibly grateful for Jan-Hein, because he allowed me to be able to implement that knowledge, implement and had the... 743 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:19,640 He trusted me. Yeah. Yeah. So that's also something because, you know, you got to be able to get it. But it made me work even harder then and wanted to do it even better. Yeah. 744 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:30,640 I had in the back, I had like a whiteboard with injuries. So if people are getting injured, I got the name down. I got because I'm going home. 745 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:40,640 Back to the school to figure out how to make sure that people avoid getting those injuries and how to help them back. Yeah. 746 01:03:40,640 --> 01:04:02,640 So I was building a program for when new people come in, what do they need to do? What are the better ways to get them moving before they go into class? Yeah. And trying my best to keep it safe. Like keep it safe. Push you to the limit, but keeping it safe. Yeah. 747 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:19,640 That was at Powerhouse. And what I also remember about those days, well, I only joined a few classes because I'm not really the type for the group classes. But my wife, she was a fanatic at some point. 748 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:35,640 So every now and then I used to come there. But I do remember there was a very, very strong sense of community there. Yeah, bro. Which was something pretty amazing to see. It's the barbecues in the summer. It's something that I... 749 01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:53,640 Yeah, you know where we come from. You know how we get down. Yeah, you don't need to call me. You're coming over, bro. You just come over. We're eating. You're eating. I don't care if you just ate. You're eating. Don't disrespect my face, bro. 750 01:04:53,640 --> 01:05:15,640 So that warmth of the Caribbean love, I made sure that it was embedded in that place. For sure, for sure. Because it felt like that. Yeah. And of course, I want to bring home closer. 751 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:27,640 And to be able to, especially because, you know, from our culture, there is already... it comes with a certain OD. 752 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,640 Oh, those type. 753 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:41,640 But that's also why this podcast has to exist now, right? Exactly. We got to show a lot more positive examples. Exactly. And I'm sick and tired of these stereotypes. 754 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:50,640 That was the whole reason to embrace everybody even more. Just to show that there's also an other side. 755 01:05:50,640 --> 01:06:05,640 Because with those two 50 members, I remember it was also a very diverse group, right? With people from the Netherlands, Caribbean, all over Europe, Americans. Yeah, it was very diverse. 756 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:21,640 Yeah, for sure. So transitioning out of the partnership business relationship with Jan Hyn. I know that there's then a chapter two there, so to speak. Yeah. 757 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:29,640 So could you tell us a bit about that transition? And then what were some of the motivations? 758 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:43,640 When I was... so we got really busy. And when I was training there, that's actually where I found out I want to work more on clothes with people. 759 01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:53,640 Yeah, because then when you're up to 250 members, it's way more group activities. Yeah, I like it. It's fun for the weekend. 760 01:06:53,640 --> 01:07:06,640 But I want one person, what's your goal? And then move on from there. Yeah. So that was what I wanted to transition in. 761 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:13,640 So essentially you also figure that out by doing that. Yeah, by doing that. Everything. I'm like, oh, wait. Oh, this is nice. 762 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:25,640 But now I have like a program that I knew that if I go more specific, I would get you there faster. Yeah. And that's what I was looking for. 763 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:34,640 That's what I was... So you were looking for making a deeper level of impact. Impact. Yeah. Even though it would be with less people. 764 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:46,640 Yeah. Yeah. That was it. Exactly. And I started there to get one on one with people, but I was all that time, I was the face. Yeah. 765 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:54,640 So anything, any question, any doesn't matter. It's me. It's me. It's no other coach. 766 01:07:54,640 --> 01:08:10,640 There were other coaches, but I was like the head coach. So I'll be giving one on one class, but one people will run up. Hey, what about, oh, what did you tell me again about that? Oh, my arm. Oh, my leg. Oh, my. So, but. 767 01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:18,640 So I can imagine that also kind of became overwhelming to some degree. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So especially. 768 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:34,640 Because that's the type of stuff that you can't really anticipate. No, no, no. I did not expect that to go to the event. It was nicer. Yeah. If I did not want to go on that one on one project, I would probably still be there. Yeah. 769 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:51,640 Because there was no problem. I had a blast. It was incredibly fun. And the community, as I said, everything. But I was looking for another route. I wanted to work that one on one. I wanted to see how far can I push. How good am I? 770 01:08:51,640 --> 01:09:13,640 You know, as a coach, how can I get someone? Let's say someone has a herniated disc. Let's go. What you doing? You ain't got no degree, bro. What you doing? Where your knowledge at? Yeah. You know, but I've worked with people with herniated disc. Got them off their chronic pills. You know how? 771 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:34,640 I just got. Yeah. Yeah. Trial and error. But also talking a lot with physiotherapists. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just not just doing my own thing. Asking those questions because that I seek in additional knowledge from experts. 772 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:54,640 Not only like your knowledge. Yeah. So not only on the paper that I find, but also like, hey, like I went to different physios and I go, what do you think about this? What do you think about that? At the end of the day, I ended up with one guy that I'm still I send most actually everybody. 773 01:09:54,640 --> 01:10:11,640 Not most. I sell everybody to him because I find that the way that he looks at movement, it's yeah, it's on the same level like the way I look at movement. Yeah. So for me, it was it got too much. 774 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:30,640 So I wanted to have my own space. Is it a small, it doesn't matter. Does not matter. But because I cannot give a personal training at the gym because of that the whole time, all the questions that then I have to give it between a little space from like 12 to four. 775 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:38,640 But yeah, the most people want off early in the morning or late in the afternoon because people got to work. 776 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:56,640 So it was then started a conversation with John A. I'm looking for that from there. We parted ways and I came here for the logo and for it to give the idea to pitch everything from and prime performance was born. 777 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:11,640 Prime performance is born. Yeah. Yeah. Gorilla dumbbell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's still incredible that he led literally how he put that. Yeah, I still love that. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredible. It's incredible. 778 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:28,640 Back then it was Derek. Now it's Robin. So shout out on the logo collaboration. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, then that was born. I was born and I wanted. 779 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:45,640 I took a route. Actually, you always learn. It's always a learning factor. But I would have. I can't even say I can't say I would have been better if I did what I wanted. What I talked about. But what I did was I opened up a gym. 780 01:11:45,640 --> 01:12:07,640 I opened up the same format formula, but with the thought that, okay, a year or two, I'm going to grind and afterwards I can transition that that run and transition on the side and do that one on one still on the side. 781 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:19,640 But then I like just because of because of the way that it went by. I love that community and not wanting to miss that. That was more the idea behind it. 782 01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:28,640 And then end up getting a way bigger place that I was supposed to end up doing way more than I was supposed to. 783 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:41,640 But again, the Raija is just that go. Let's go. I got this. I got this. What are you talking about? I got this. Grind. I don't care. I got this. 784 01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:47,640 I have no problem with pulling up my sleeve and doing 40 hours a day. Yeah. 785 01:12:47,640 --> 01:13:01,640 I got no problem with that, but it was a tall. It was a tall. It wasn't at all. And I had this conversation with Jan Heng and he was like, bro, I told you so. 786 01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,640 Shut up, bro. 787 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:11,640 Because when you were collaborating with Jan Heng, then there was also certain aspects of the of the business that you would have to think about. 788 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:24,640 So you just focus in on the cool part of it. Yeah, I had I didn't have to think about it. Yeah. Now I'm like, oh, I got it. I'm gonna do that. 789 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:34,640 No problem. Yeah. And then I can still work on my project. But that took is like 50 50. So all that time now that I have to spend 790 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:45,640 on the administration, everything that has to do with the business aspect of it, I can't not put it down now for the knowledge. Yeah. 791 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:54,640 So now I'm actually want to practice the profession and not necessarily got to deal with that. Yeah. 792 01:13:54,640 --> 01:14:05,640 But because I jumped into it that deep, it was not if I went smaller, I would have easily pay someone off to handle that and grow. Yeah. But I just jumped into the deep part. 793 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:10,640 Yeah, you jumped in. Well, I remember we have in some of those conversations. 794 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,640 You said about something about swimming with sharks when they're hungry. 795 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,640 But I'm like, I got tea too, bro. 796 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:25,640 So yeah, you think you could go swim with these sharks and bite them. I can bite, bro. 797 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:35,640 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it took a while to get things to a place where I could step away. Yeah. 798 01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:43,640 So it took a longer. I took a longer route to pull that rubber band really hard, almost snapping it. 799 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:53,640 And took a lot of hits, bro, took a lot of hits. But again, I could take it because I'm moving. 800 01:14:53,640 --> 01:15:01,640 Yeah. I'm training, pushing my body then to a certain degree. 801 01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:07,640 And not only that, I'm getting that energy back from the people that I'm training. 802 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:13,640 Now I'm seeing people change. I'm literally seeing like the place is changing lives. 803 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:21,640 You know, it's touching people to a degree that they're getting more confident there. 804 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:27,640 So that energy was keeping me alive. Let me put it that way. That energy was keeping me alive. 805 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:37,640 So now on this journey, if I do a quick little rewind, coming here to the Netherlands, 806 01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:44,640 starting off doing business studies, realizing that that wasn't really the best fit for you. 807 01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:50,640 It's actually funny because it comes back later as well. It sort of reconnects. 808 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:56,640 So the business studies, but then spending a lot of time in a gym, getting that first introduction like, 809 01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:02,640 hey, since you're practically living here, it's like you're working here. 810 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:09,640 So why not actually work here? That sort of kickstarted University of Rydell. 811 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:16,640 Doing all the courses, doing a whole lot of research, then started training people. 812 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:23,640 That sort of led to there was still something missing because the training was just too simple, too boring. 813 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:33,640 You felt that there was a lot more to it. Being introduced to CrossFit, diving very deep into that itself, 814 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:41,640 being a student of it, injuring your whole body and having to rebuild yourself back up. 815 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:52,640 Then being introduced to Jan Hein, founding a first business partner to actually then fulfill that dream of wanting to open something yourself. 816 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:57,640 So that collaboration went very well where he was handling more the deeper business side of things. 817 01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:04,640 And you were handling the complete concept, the coaching, getting the community building, 818 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:19,640 got up to 250 members, but then started that there was an itch again, scratching like, OK, I love this community aspect, 819 01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:30,640 but want to go deeper, I want to take on these individual projects or individuals and really get in the back and helping them get the maximum out of their selves. 820 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:42,640 So you seek to transition into creating your own gym where you would be able to do that more or at least so you talk going in. 821 01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:50,640 But then ended up with the location being way bigger than what you initially envisioned. 822 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,640 And basically saying, effort, we're going to do it. 823 01:17:54,640 --> 01:18:10,640 And then sort of rebuild similar type of community aspect, but then having to also handle all of the business side as well, as well as the community building, coaching, etc. 824 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:16,640 And that sort of, yeah, as you said, it took a toll on you. 825 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:27,640 So I can imagine that toll extends beyond just the work environment, also into the personal sphere. 826 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,640 Yeah, could you get into? 827 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:40,640 Yeah, for me, when I let's say when I dive into something, I can easily just zone in. 828 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:48,640 You know, I know I have to do this to get to this position. 829 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:54,640 So cost what is cost. That's what I have to continue on this road to get to that point. 830 01:18:54,640 --> 01:19:00,640 So essentially it's almost like the racehorse. 831 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,640 And I want to get there as soon as possible. No distractions. 832 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,640 Yes, I want to get there as soon as possible because when I'm there, I'm there. 833 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:15,640 You know, but then that's all lessons because for me, then it was like, no, looking back, I'm like, yeah, but did you enjoy the journey? 834 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:16,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 835 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,640 You know, you could have enjoyed it a lot more. 836 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,640 You know, it could have maybe be a different destination. 837 01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,640 Yeah. So it's just like work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work. 838 01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:36,640 Because I there was a moment that I realized, like I think it was like maybe half a year open and I'm like, oh, my God. 839 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:42,640 This is what it's going to be. And that's that moment that is just. 840 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:48,640 Yeah, I have to do this because there's no way that I'm going to feel this. 841 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,640 Yeah, there's no way. No, I know this too well. 842 01:19:51,640 --> 01:20:02,640 And even though I am not the best for that business part of it, what to juggle all those models, I don't care. 843 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:07,640 I'm going to make it happen. You know, the power of. 844 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:16,640 The mind, the mind, you know, believing, believing I have it. 845 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,640 It's already been achieved, like walking in there and just seeing it full. 846 01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,640 It's like calling on that energy. 847 01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:32,640 But ended up like really isolating myself then from. 848 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:42,640 Yeah, my wife, my brother, my sister, like other friends, like really isolating myself because I wanted to be so in focus. 849 01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:51,640 I did not want any other type of feelings or energy mixing with mine and throwing me off that track. 850 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,640 Yeah. So really the horse on the race track that they put the blinders on. 851 01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,640 Yeah. And that was new for me. Yeah. 852 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:08,640 So I was on like the secret, like like like reading, going through all those types of that was all new for me because I just started to 853 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:14,640 embed, dive into myself. Yeah. Self discovery. 854 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:20,640 Like so you do you. So now the school of Rydell sort of transition into self development. 855 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,640 Yes. Self development. So it got really personal. Yeah. 856 01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:28,640 Got really personal with myself. 857 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:38,640 To a degree that I isolated everyone, not to, but I was also like really lonely. 858 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:47,640 Yeah. It was a really lonely period that I had, but it ended up costing my marriage. 859 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,640 Yeah. Because yeah, we were not on the same page. 860 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,640 So for me, I'm like, how can you not see where I'm going? 861 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,640 You know, you see like and I was really flossed. 862 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:03,640 I was like writing things down like my nest, my bed was, bro. 863 01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:09,640 And she would get on my, she would get my case, full of false systems. 864 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:15,640 Full, all colors. Every color had a goal. All of them. 865 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:22,640 All of them. And she was like, yeah, you're working too much. 866 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:28,640 It's too much. And every time it then it became a thing like. 867 01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,640 One post it down. 868 01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:36,640 No. What? 869 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,640 Accomplished. See, I told you so. 870 01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:45,640 Like not knowing how I'm going to accomplish those goals, but feeling inside like I can achieve it. 871 01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,640 So when you talk about the secret, then it's then it's then it's sort of like those posts, 872 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,640 it knows became like a bit of the vision board slash road map. 873 01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,640 Yes. And that was the feeling of accomplishing what it was. 874 01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:02,640 It was waking. It was looking at them, reading them before I went to bed, waking up and reading them. 875 01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:07,640 Like I had on my mirror, wrote down notes to myself and then and like focus. 876 01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:13,640 And then after that, there was a vibe. I got that I was sleeping in the gym. 877 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,640 Oh, shit. Yeah. So I think it was like maybe eight months. Oh, shit. 878 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:26,640 Yeah. It was quite a long period. And and read that when we got already have one one Jayden's already had one child. 879 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,640 Yeah. Wife was pregnant with the second one. 880 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:35,640 That second one was born. So I was like, no, taking she's got to go to work. 881 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:40,640 So I'm like, no, they're staying here. So when I want I have to start early in the morning. 882 01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,640 I can't go all the way because we were living in Helmos. 883 01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:49,640 I can't go all the way home and then come back and then the gym and where you were living was like 30 minutes. 884 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,640 Yeah. And then it's very slow. So. Yes. 885 01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,640 And sometimes I'm there and I'm done like at maybe 10. Yeah. 886 01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,640 So then to close up to fix it up, it's long to go home. 887 01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,640 So I'm like, no, I'm staying right here. Yeah. 888 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:09,640 So is I'm or I'm with the kids there or they're with mama. 889 01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,640 But that created a distance between. Yeah. 890 01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:17,640 But for me, I was focused. I was like, I have to make this space a success. 891 01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,640 But that was it was it was it got really personal. 892 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:30,640 Yeah. And to a degree that I was trying to make her understand what I'm doing. 893 01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:35,640 But yeah, not knowing myself or not never engaging in those type of conversations. 894 01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:41,640 Yeah. So because you also isolated yourself to the degree that you didn't want those distractions. 895 01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,640 So then you also didn't really let her. I would. 896 01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,640 I would not. I would touch it. Yeah. 897 01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,640 But then let it go. Yeah. You know, because I wanted to stay focused. 898 01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:59,640 Yes, I would touch it. But then I would let it if she does not react or react in the way that I that that would help. 899 01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,640 Yeah. What my thought was back then. 900 01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:10,640 Then it's like, well, no, I can't go deep into this because then it would take me three weeks to get back. 901 01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:15,640 In line with what I'm doing right now. Yeah. 902 01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,640 And that was a whole other school. 903 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:27,640 That was a whole other university really finding out who I am as a person, how I react, why I react like that, 904 01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:37,640 what to be able to take on everything and still stay focused and still stay sane and not deviate from what I'm doing. 905 01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:48,640 It did cost that relationship. So with the knowledge you have today, is there looking back, is there anything that you would do different in the same situation? 906 01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:55,640 I think this is literally the path that me as an writer had to take to be where he's at right now. 907 01:25:55,640 --> 01:26:04,640 Yeah. So I have no, literally I have no, I have a good relationship now with my ex-wife. 908 01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:11,640 Of course, we got two beautiful children. So there is a lot of beautiful that was birthed from that relationship. 909 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:17,640 Yeah. It was at that moment of life that was the right thing. Yeah. 910 01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:29,640 So you never know where life takes you. So I have no regret of how I took, because I know for myself, if I went to school, if I did that other route, who would I be? 911 01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:40,640 Yeah. Like would I have the knowledge that I have right now? Would I be the person? Would I have gone deep into who is Raidjo? 912 01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,640 Yeah. I have no clue, bro. We don't know. 913 01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:52,640 But I'm grateful for this journey that I and the way that it ended up in the journey that I took to be where I am right now. 914 01:26:52,640 --> 01:27:02,640 Oh, also the reason that it made it more comfortable to get to that other decision that I had to take. 915 01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:12,640 So even doing that gym, all that process, got it to where I wanted it to be. All the numbers are correct. 916 01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:21,640 Yes, we got there. And just feeling exhausted, feeling a sense of, yeah, not fulfilled. 917 01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:26,640 So there was a certain emptiness. Yeah. Yeah. I'm there. Now I'm looking. 918 01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:33,640 There's a picture and Derek, shout out to Derek, he took that picture and he stood on the stairs because there were stairs when you walked in. 919 01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:40,640 And there was a workout that everybody was running in. And you could see like the whole place. 920 01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:51,640 Because remember, I started with, I think, 80 square meters of mat in the floors, like 200 something square meters. 921 01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:59,640 So we started really humbled and build it up to what it was at the end. It was work. But then it was there. 922 01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:12,640 And as I saw it, so before one mat was placed in that place, how it was at the end, I saw that way before that happened. 923 01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:21,640 And knowing, OK, this is your vision, bro. Yeah. This is what you envision. You accomplished it. 924 01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:26,640 Why are you feeling that way? Yeah. No feeling that sense of this emptiness. 925 01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:32,640 Yeah. And then came the C word. 926 01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:41,640 Then came the C word. I don't even want to say it. 2020. Yes. Yes. And for me, it was a blessing, bro. 927 01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:48,640 Yeah. Yes. Because I was what you would, what people would call a burnout. I was really close to that. 928 01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:58,640 I was pleased. I was going to. I didn't have that energy anymore. The people there were the ones that were lifting me up and my kids. 929 01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:06,640 They were there because the marriage actually was already done by then. 930 01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:15,640 It was a toll. So emotionally and personally, I was at a low, a very low place that time. 931 01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:23,640 I wouldn't have. That's the C word that will always remind me of not that, but where I was as an individual. 932 01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:29,640 Yeah. Because that was a big that that year. That was a big turning point in my life. 933 01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:39,640 So when we got that first shutdown that we had to close everything, that was a blessing because I went home and I had time because I had to work. 934 01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:49,640 I was continuously working. I wanted to go one on one, bro. But now I'm still on that horse having to give class, having to give people that whole shenanigans. 935 01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:55,640 I'm there getting tired. Shut down. 936 01:29:55,640 --> 01:30:03,640 Now I cannot, even if I want to go and give class. So I'm at home on bed. 937 01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:11,640 The one I think the first three days, I'm just literally from a bed to the fridge, fridge to the bed. I'm like, bro, just breathe. 938 01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:22,640 Yeah. Take this time. Just breathe. Take this time and started to dig, dig deep in myself, dig deep in myself. 939 01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:28,640 If that wasn't what you're doing, then you need to take a different route again. You need to make a change. 940 01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:35,640 Building that community, building that everything. And now I got to break that down. Yeah, it was difficult. 941 01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:40,640 Yeah, I had two years. Took me two years. Took me two years. 942 01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:47,640 There were different moments that I were the perfect timing to do it, but I couldn't do it. Yeah, I couldn't find it in me to do it. 943 01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:54,640 And again, lesson, life lesson, bro. If it's in here, three, two, one, let's go. 944 01:30:54,640 --> 01:31:04,640 Yeah. Opinions of people will always have opinions. Doesn't matter. But if you're not feeling it anymore, if it's not giving you that positive energy, it's done. 945 01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:11,640 No changing it. Just just move. Oh, you're going to try to keep fixing something. But if it's not, it's not. 946 01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:23,640 And that was my lesson with that. And then that was four, five, five. No, that's a month and a half ago that I that I made that decision. 947 01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:33,640 Officially made what decision? Officially to close primate as an official place as a box. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 948 01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:45,640 I didn't know that. Drop in. Exclusive. Exclusive right here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It took a while, but I knew that that was not it wasn't working anymore. 949 01:31:45,640 --> 01:32:00,640 And I didn't have that energy because after when I came back, because I stayed at home when that Kovac and had time to do some self development and thinking what I want for the future, I knew that's not the format that I wanted. 950 01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:15,640 Yeah. So now with Kovac to keep on fighting and keeping it at one level and pushing it to stay in alive. And I just did not have that energy anymore. Yeah. And what didn't help either. 951 01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:32,640 You know, most people, a lot of people had a bad vibe because of Kovac. A lot of people got into a slump. Slump and a lot of because essentially we were all on house arrest. 952 01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:48,640 You know, so like the dialogue was very negative. Yeah. You know, and then feeling that this is not my purpose. And then every member is coming in and I have to lift them up. 953 01:32:48,640 --> 01:33:04,640 And also that took a big toll on you. It's another school, bro. Yeah. Because I'm looking at people. See what I'm doing right now. I'm looking at people. I want to choke you. Shut up. Bring that positive vibe. 954 01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:18,640 You know what? So it really took a toll. Really took a toll on me personally, but beautiful because again, that's a lesson. That's the pressure. It creates the diamonds. It creates those moments in your life. And I've learned a lot. 955 01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:37,640 Like the last five years was incredible. Like, you know me. You know who I am. So now if I tell you, I wake up at 530. I wake up at 530 every day. Drink 600 milliliters of water. I literally do my stress session. 956 01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:49,640 I go meditate before the kid. I wake up because sometimes they wake up and they do a set. I have some. I'm going to post some of it because I have them recorded. Yeah, it's cool. They actually join me. Yeah. 957 01:33:49,640 --> 01:34:12,640 But change that whole aspect like from who am I? Like really dive into what's the healthy routine? What's it about? Like, what are those guys doing that are up there in those skyscrapers? They got that dough. How do they get there? Where are they mentally? What's that lifestyle? What's it about? 958 01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:30,640 And got looking myself in the mirror again, put on your time. You got to change some things. So like again, dig deep in digging deep in myself and forcing myself to get that routine going. 959 01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:48,640 So you made the decision about a month and a half ago to shut down Prime Performance as a box. Yes. And there's something new emerging. Yes. It's been three years on the shelf, bro. This right here. 960 01:34:48,640 --> 01:35:06,640 Maybe try and get a clear shot of it. The Fit Dad Gang. Is it this side? Yes. No, it's the other side. The other side, right? No. No. Maybe the other side. Yeah. 961 01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:28,640 Be the hero, bro. Be the hero. This was born at the second lockdown. So this was 2020 that I wanted to do this. I'm like, okay, so this is the one on one. I want to start coaching and really I'm going through the self development phase. 962 01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:43,640 I got kids and I take that. A lot of people say like you don't have like a gray zone. You're all the way there. Are you all the way there, bro? 963 01:35:43,640 --> 01:36:07,640 So even with my kids parenting, I take it like, wow, man, I take it to a crazy level. Really diving into the psychology and really having conversation with my kids and seeing how they react to certain conversations and to certain stimulus and 964 01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:26,640 making sure they're emotionally alive, like get especially because I'm divorced, don't have no one in my family around. So I have no experience, let me put it, with parents that are divorced and how is that going to work? 965 01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:39,640 How do you manage that? I mean, the kids not with you and then it's well and then that was the scariest part of it. We got it. We got it. We got it on lockdown right now. It's going great. 966 01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:53,640 So you guys figured out the co-parenting model. Yeah, we got the co-parenting. It's good. It's going good. But I want my kids to be themselves. 967 01:36:53,640 --> 01:37:11,640 But I want to be able to give them a platform to understand life and being able to understand who they are and what are emotions and that me, that is also an other being. 968 01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:31,640 I'm a person. You know, you come by my name, you might lose a teeth, but we're in that belt mode, bro. No, but like respect, mutual respect. 969 01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:47,640 So really treating them as individuals, as humans, helping them to discover themselves on this life journey. Exactly. And know that there's not, don't let nobody put you in a box. 970 01:37:47,640 --> 01:38:01,640 No, you're you. Oh, you're like, no, I'm Jayden. I'm Zane. Yeah. Yeah. But you do that. No, no, bro. I'm Jayden. I'm Zane, bro. You know, touch them like that. 971 01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:30,640 From there, that gang was born and three years, three years on the shelf, been developing the last year, a lot like diving into different other trainers, different other coaches, dissecting different philosophies, not only on coaching, mental health or movement, training, parenting. 972 01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:49,640 Finding out. And again, it's beautiful because I have kids so I can experiment. Yeah, I can like see positive parenting, like positive, like when they do something like when they do something bad, I don't really like punish them. 973 01:38:49,640 --> 01:39:06,640 I explain to them what just happened and want to get down to the core of why it happened and help them. Yeah. So let's communicate. I'm not mad, bro. 974 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:15,640 You have no idea what they're doing. They don't want to know. 975 01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:24,640 I can't get mad at you. So when looking back now at the Prime 8 performance, what was then sort of the peak membership numbers? 976 01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:30,640 We were at 130. 130. Yeah. OK. We were at 130. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. 977 01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:48,640 It was going. It was going hard till the sea hits. But it was good because before that already, I knew this is not really, it was nice. Yeah. Perfect. But it was not my lane. Yeah. It was not my lane. 978 01:39:48,640 --> 01:40:03,640 It was not. I can do again, just like from my uncle, I can do it as no problem. Continue doing it, but it's not my lane. It's not what I, I don't get the right energy out of it. Yeah. 979 01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:20,640 So yeah, it was there. It was a difficult decision. It was a people said, yeah, they were not happy. The ones that were left at the end, they were not happy. They're still not happy. They might beat me up if I get. 980 01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:34,640 But they understood. They understood. They knew because they knew for a long time already that my energy was different. Yeah. They know I was more alive and I was so they knew there was something like some of those members. 981 01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:49,640 I mean, there's still like people have trained with for three, four years. Yeah. So they would know. Yeah. They know I've got six years. Yeah. My oldest is going to be seven. So people that have been training for like seven, eight years. 982 01:40:49,640 --> 01:41:04,640 It was before that he was born. So they just felt like the trainer divorced them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, the trainer also needs to continue his life path. Yeah, I'm on the life. I'm on the journey, bro. 983 01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:22,640 And right now, so it's like a journey of 13 years to fall into what I know. No, I like right now I've I partnered up with someone at another gym. So I'm doing my personal trainer day training thing. 984 01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:40,640 I'm starting to build up my platform, starting to get just introducing myself and reintroducing myself there. And I'm grateful for the road because I've learned so much. 985 01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:54,640 Yeah, I've learned so much and I can't wait to work with you. Don't let me know you crying inside. 986 01:41:54,640 --> 01:42:04,640 You're going to have to worry about that. So Rigel, it's been quite a journey. Yeah, we've been quite a lovely ride. 987 01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:14,640 And it feels like right now you're you're opening a new chapter. Yeah. Yeah. There was there were tons of lessons in the previous chapters. 988 01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:29,640 It also feels like those previous chapters helped you go on a pretty huge self discovery journey. Yeah. Yes. You seem way more calm, relaxed, confident about about this new chapter. 989 01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:43,640 Yeah. Where things are going. But looking back, 18 year old Rigel with the knowledge of the 40 year old Rigel. 990 01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:56,640 What would you tell your younger self today? Take over the world, bro. Yeah, I would I would I would encourage him if I could sit with him, I would encourage him to discover himself. 991 01:42:56,640 --> 01:43:10,640 Okay, to start that discover yourself, discover, talk with yourself, go deeper in who you are and don't mind the outside noise. 992 01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:22,640 Go deeper in who you are and ignore that noise. Yeah. Yeah. Because that work ethic that everything was already in there is just not knowing myself. 993 01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:31,640 Yeah. And and why I react to certain situation, why I take long to take certain decisions, why I that is this finding out who I am. 994 01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:41,640 And and then was it even earlier that I could have loosened up those knots. Now I got to get out some 30 year old knots. 995 01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:57,640 So it takes time to teach the old dog a new trick. So essentially, the advice that you would give is self discovery, the self discovery, start that journey a lot, a lot faster, a lot sooner. 996 01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:14,640 As soon as you put the side, put the side some of the party in and bullshit to be quicker on the let that be like a moment and not the thing and not the thing. Yeah. So the thing should be the self discovery and everything else around it. 997 01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:28,640 Yeah. It's three days, don't sleep, doesn't matter. But that's not the thing. Yeah. After that, we're focused. Yeah. After that, we're focused and always, especially that because it was a long time in my life. I had no goal. Yeah. 998 01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:41,640 You know, just just just living to see how it goes. No, no goal is clueless. Yeah. But that was incredibly. So when you tell the 18 year old you to make self discovery his goal. 999 01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:55,640 Yeah, that would be the first way I expect. Yeah. Yep. Learn how to stay focused on that. Discover yourself and with totality. Yeah. What is me? 1000 01:44:55,640 --> 01:45:11,640 As in dive in different types of forms and different types of philosophies and different types and just find out. Yeah. Find out for yourself. Where do you stand in that thing? And then when you find it and just keep your leg grounded. Yeah. 1001 01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:26,640 Dig your roots deep into it and always believe in that. Let no outside noise take you off that path. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't matter what it is because people I mean, we all believe different things. We all believe in. Yeah. 1002 01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:37,640 If we go on the religious side, not Jesus, Buddha, Allah, doesn't matter. But it's all about love. At the end of the day, it's all about love doing to others what you want to be done to you. That's what it's that's what it ends up at. 1003 01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:57,640 And from there we got spiritual levels we got. So you got to dig and go deep into that. Otherwise you will never find out who you are. Yeah. Because we're not just this game. I go. That's a whole different conversation. That's a whole different podcast. 1004 01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:14,640 Who knows? Maybe we might get into one of those. Yeah. Yeah. It's also a very it's a very that's one that I would also have with my 18 year old self. Yeah. It's not just this kid. It goes deeper. It goes deeper. Yeah. Yeah. 1005 01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:35,640 But it's a different podcast. Actually, we got to have that that conversation because it's also nice. It's also nice. I like going into that part also. The spiritual side of life, the spiritual side of life, mental side of life, health. Yeah. Yeah. Mind, body, soul. Yeah. 1006 01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:51,640 The NBR. That was Trinity. That was tried fitness. That was the name of my first business tried. Yeah. Yeah. I'm there. But Prime Performance is still there because I'm still using that platform to help people build up a community there. 1007 01:46:51,640 --> 01:47:11,640 But now we're really focusing on that. I want to help some dads. I want to embrace some fathers that are feeling hopeless. Yeah. Bring some hope. Bring some hope to the dad. Yeah. Yeah. So Mr. Peters. 1008 01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:24,640 Where can where can people find you in the in the web spheres in the web? You got to close your eyes and sit there and hum. 1009 01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:42,640 You can hit me up at Prime Performance. That's like my main platform. But Fit Dad, I just launched it. So I do. I'm already being active. So that's primateperformance.com.nl.com. Insta. Insta. Insta at Prime Performance at Fit Dad. 1010 01:47:42,640 --> 01:48:00,640 Fit on the score that gang. Yeah. Hit me up on Insta. If you're a dad, you want a guide. It doesn't matter. A root. A high five, bro. A bucks. Something. Something. Because some people just need that. Just need that little attention. 1011 01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:15,640 Some people think that they're more far gone that they really aren't. But just to help guide them on the right path. So hit me up on those platforms. And then from there, you would find a lot more about me because it's about to go crazy. 1012 01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:32,640 I'm about to release a lot of information. Alright. I'm curious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's been boiling and bubbling up for some time. This is three years on the shelf. It was emotionally a challenge to do that move that I did. 1013 01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:49,640 And learning again sitting on my side. But why? Why? Outside. Come on. Let's go. This is what you want. You've been there. That's that conversation with myself. But meditating helped. That was it. My morning routine. That was it. Nice. That helped. 1014 01:48:49,640 --> 01:49:15,640 Mr. Peters. Right, Joe? Yeah, bro. Thank you. This is nice. This is nice. We go way back. These are default barbershop conversations. These are barbershop conversations. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Barbershop. Awesome, man. I really loved it. I really enjoyed it. I always loved having these conversations and then unlocking new levels of deepness. 1015 01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:29,640 And there's also nuggets and lessons for me in these conversations. And I would definitely hope for the listeners out there that there were lots of nuggets and lessons to be learned. 1016 01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:53,640 So once again, thank you very, very much for listening in to the Sunside Kingdom show. Don't forget to like, subscribe, place a comment. Any questions that additional questions that you may have for Raijo. Yes. If you're thinking, hey, I want to see these guys have that spiritual conversation. Hey, let us know. 1017 01:49:53,640 --> 01:50:15,640 Maybe we might organize that. Let's go. If enough people requested. Maybe that could even be a wider conversation with more people involved. With more people. Yes. But yeah, thanks for tuning in. It's been another great one. Yes, sir. See you in the next episode. 1018 01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:25,640 Bless. 1019 01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:47,640 You