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People! Good day, good evening and good night wherever you're connecting from in this wonderful

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world. Welcome to the Sunside Kingdom Show, the place where we highlight individuals with roots

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and or associations from the sunny side of the Dutch Kingdom. These accomplished persons are

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true role models and examples of what can be achieved when we apply hard work, perseverance

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and deep focus. I'm your host John Sandefur, aka Jam Sandefur and let's get into today's episode.

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People! Welcome to the Sunside Kingdom Show. Mr. Cosmos, thank you very much for joining us here

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today in our studio slash office slash multitask in space for the Sunside Kingdom Show. Mr. Cosmos

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has been an amazing, I can say friend and associate in the early days and I've seen this guy

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grown on his journey in these last couple years and been doing some amazing things.

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Well, it started first just right here in the city, expanded into the rest of the Netherlands

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and now he's slowly taking over bigger parts of Europe. When you put it like that, but it's

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the God on his truth, bro. That's true, that's true, that's true. So welcome to the show.

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Tell us a bit about yourself. Thanks for having me first of all. My name is Derek Cosmos.

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I was born in Aruba. I lived a few years in Kruis or a few months in Jamaica. I lived here,

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I'm living here in the Netherlands for about 15 years or more or less. And I'm originally from

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St. Nicholas, chocolate city. And yeah, I've been living here for the last 15 years.

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It's been amazing learning a lot, still learning. Yeah. So just one of those guys from St. Nicholas

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on here in the Netherlands trying to do something good. Yeah. The knowledge and the creativity.

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So Derek, how would you describe your, I would say hobby turned passion turned part-time profession?

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How would I describe that? That's something difficult to describe for me because

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I never- Just in your own words. So what's your profession? What's my profession right now?

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A bit of everything. Like how do you see in the Netherlands? In Scarpe met Wijfpoelter.

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I started as a photographer taking pictures, me and you, taking pictures of sneakers

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and taking pictures of my wife back in the days for her sneakers, for my sneakers,

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et cetera, et cetera. And slowly I got into CrossFit and then

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got into CrossFit. And then by just taking pictures and loving taking pictures, just

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experimenting with your camera, just trying new stuff and doing a lot of research. And I

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started doing a lot more than that. At the moment we are running a, doing the media and the marketing

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from several CrossFit events in Europe, like you just said. And right now we have the first

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beginners competition, which is a CrossFit license event in the Netherlands and in Benelux in Europe,

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the first one. So what exactly does that mean? We are licensed by CrossFit HQ. Okay. We are able to

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use that name CrossFit. And for those that don't fully, they are not emerging the whole CrossFit

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scene because yeah, I dabbled in it briefly, but couldn't hang with you fanatics. So I exited

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quite quickly. What exactly does that mean? What is CrossFit HQ? So with the knowledge that I have,

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CrossFit has always been there. It never had a name. It never had a patent. So it's, they always,

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actually all American football training, people do American football training, they're doing CrossFit.

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Football has been doing CrossFit. Baseball has been doing CrossFit. It's functional training,

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functional fitness. And they, what CrossFit did, they put a name, they put a brand and they calling

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it CrossFit. But it did experiment a lot more with the sport and it's a way to test your fitness level.

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So that is CrossFit. But if you want more details, I would advise your listeners to Google it and YouTube it.

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Yeah. So what we do is we're just doing the media. Doing the media of those particular events. Yes,

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exactly. So let's maybe go back, rewind a bit more. So you're just a guy for the media.

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You're just a guy from St. Nicholas. Describe what it was like growing up in St. Nicholas in Aruba

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and sort of maybe from when to when, what was the period that you lived there?

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So when growing up in St. Nicholas was really nice. It's community. Everyone knew each other.

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Even though I had some bad guys in the neighborhood, they know who's your mother. Don't come.

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They're doing the bad things. They will tell you, you're not supposed to be here. So they would have.

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So the OGs, the OGs looking out and making sure that the good guys, the smart guys, the smart young bucks.

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Yeah. Do something with the talent. Okay. Okay. So growing up, I did a lot of things. I played baseball.

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I played basketball. I played volleyball, a little bit of football. There was a period of time that I was trying to be a DJ.

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So I had my denim, I had my CDs back in the days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100 CDs flipping those backs. I had a couple of those.

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That was like 144 because that's a division by four. Yeah. Yeah. You got to do the math on that one. Yeah. Yeah. It was case logic.

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What were the bags? I think it's logic. Yeah. Something like that. So I had a lot of CDs.

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So then I got my computer. So I got my computer and I started selling CDs

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because that was those hard days with Napster was on and not everyone had that

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internet not everybody didn't know about Napster. Yeah yeah I was one of those

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early pioneers too I dabbled in that as well. So I helped a lot with that all the

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guys in playing basketball or whatever in the neighborhood you know they wanted

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the newest tunes so I used to download or just buy the original CD and record it

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for them yeah yeah and make some money buy more CDs. Nowadays that's not allowed.

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So but growing up in St. Nicholas was really nice I learned a lot from parties

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to sports. So it sounds like you was a pretty active guy growing up

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yeah always involved in sports then and then then music parties are always

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active so not... I was all over all over so yeah where there was I was in

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athletic too at time. So athletics yeah so you what in particular? 100-200 and 5k.

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Okay that's that that requires very different skills right the 100-200 is

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similar but the 5k is a whole other. Yeah but I used to love the 5k the 5k was not

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enough for me okay the 100 and 200 was I really used to love those two but the 5k

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was just like I could do 5k I can do 10k yeah yeah that was in my thing yeah try

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to couple of times but the 5k is enough yeah yeah yeah yeah all right so so that

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that yeah that also gives me a little bit more perspective on on how the

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connection later with the CrossFit would then would would would ignite a certain

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fire in you yeah yeah yeah and you know if you go back into those days you

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should have this guy this guy maybe you you heard about him this guy called his

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name is Mike Loss he's a DJ on the island he's he's he's the David

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Rodigan on the island so he had these he had a boss and he had speakers

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in the box yeah so before the party he used to pass around all the schools with

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the mic and the party announcements and stuff like that so he was a portable

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radio station then yeah like like what whether you tune in and locked into him

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or not you're gonna hear him he was social media before we had social media

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on the island so I learned a lot from those guys they were doing some amazing

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marketing and and with the tools that they had yeah and all of these things

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in common in handy right now with what I do yeah without doing without without

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going to the university for this so so if we fast-forward now from Aruba and

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then before you got to the Netherlands there's a bit of there's a bit of

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interesting story in between there or not yeah yeah so there was a time I

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wasn't doing much so my father told me a unit to do something which it life so

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ranker so and because I was always messing up with computers and stuff like

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that and my father told me look you want to you have to do something I arranged

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already course for you to do yeah Microsoft Atlas so you come to come to

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Atlas so that's an official degree for you to repair computers that's it I see

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I see so I did that and when cursor I went and did a curse course and I

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finished the course so then when I went back to Ruben I worked there in a

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computer computer store for a while and then afterwards during that period I saw

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a lot of my friends there was coming to coming from the Netherlands yeah

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vacation or some of them finished school so how old are you now at that point

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21 21 something 22 yeah so they coming back from the Netherlands and and I

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seen these guys and they got degree that all this stupid guy go have a degree

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he working with the bank now he only finished and beyond I mean Marvel and he

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went to the Netherlands like I'm like what these guys in doing so so if he

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could do that I could do that too so I was just thinking about it so I started

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started to do some research but I put on pause so then I meet up with these

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people and because right beside the computer place I used to work this half

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this Jamaican restaurant mm-hmm so I met this guy called Daniel Wilson Daniel

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Wilson yes or Daniel Wilson so he he was the ambassador from Jamaica in the whole

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Caribbean oh snap yeah so so he just he was visiting the restaurant no no he was

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the owner from the rest he was the owner of the restaurant but he was living in

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Aruba yes okay yeah interesting so most of the time when you want a vision to go

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on in the Caribbean to apply by by Trinidad's but ambassador and Trinidad

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yeah for you to go all the places because he was living Aruba he could do

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it for the ABC islands because he had a Dutch passport and a Jamaican passport

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okay so when I was living there we had soul beach for those people I'm listening

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to then no most people in the Caribbean over soul beach so I'll be still

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happening right if I'm not mistaken yes so I did a couple of soul beach with him

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he asked me hey listen because I was helping him back in the days with some

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stuff with marketing you know we helped him with a Facebook and stuff like that

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to help him with party peeps to organize a party peeps for his restaurant those

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little things high fives you know those yeah we created so basically the very

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early beginning days of social media you helped them set up all those profiles

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etc yeah and then for simple things and I wasn't even getting paid in the

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beginning yeah so he would just say like hey you will get like two food a day

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yeah yeah so I wasn't helping him to get money I would just help me as a friend

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yeah so but every time so beach would come on on the island well regular

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Caribbean thing many times many times many times when we first started off

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yeah a lot of these things aren't really paid no but it is experience yes it is

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experience yeah so then every time so beach came on the island experience and

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building relationships yeah exactly so every time so beach came on the island

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and there was a reggae concert or whatever a hip-hop artist common island

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mm-hmm I had a job mm-hmm so then you had a paid job okay you see so he was

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helping me with whatever I had to do yeah he would make sure I would be in

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the payroll yeah so I wasn't getting nothing to help him with a restaurant

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yeah but whenever I had a concert of whenever I had a party or whatever he

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would just put in the payroll yeah and so basically like like when when there

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was those additional opportunities that that there was an additional flow of

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cash coming in then he would make sure that you would get a cut from that

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because of the loyalty and everything else that was already happening before

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exactly those those some key lessons there are those some key lessons there

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yeah and then the nice part of all of this is that we never said okay I you

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help me and I'll help you back it was happening naturally natural yeah and

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sometimes like in business you have to you have to say it yeah yes yeah but it

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was such a nice thing that I didn't have to tell him a so I'm doing all this

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thing for you am I getting something mm-hmm so again it's an investment yeah

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so right now I'm very happy I mean when you're 20 21 is a different thing than

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when you 35 plus so exactly like at that age you could more afford to just kind

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of just go with the flow etc you you still figuring out what you want to do

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in life or where you want to go you see in friends coming back according to you

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that's stupid guy got a degree now with a big job like that doesn't make no sense

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like I could do that shit yeah so there's still a lot figuring out and

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along the way you're making connections building relationships and and and

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seeing where things go yes exactly so then so how did soul beach connect to

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jamrock no so it's a goddess lady what it is called it she's the original boss

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lady anybody in the music industry in Jamaica know her as Sharon Burke she

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runs the solid agency so she used to come that that particular year Sean Paul

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came to the island when Sean Paul was hot yeah Sean Paul came to the island 2002

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three one I think three three so Sean Paul came on the island was so this

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country Sean Paul was on fire yeah and they they had a big show so she came

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with with Sean Paul and the show was massive the show was massive so and that

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was the same year I think or the year before after that I met Kevin Hart okay

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yeah we didn't have no cell phones that was that was what so plain Kevin Hart yeah

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for the kids that just know this modern Kevin Hart you gotta go look up Kevin

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Hart before you became Kevin Hart so plain Kevin Hart yeah yeah I mean it's a

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funny movie it's stupid as hell but it's cool still so so we met we met Kevin

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Hart we mentioned Paul we had so I had to I met in the highway I I saw the last

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time Fujis was together oh on the island oh the food is a lot of people don't know

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this and you may maybe maybe you the first one could say this the Fujis the

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Fujis reunion was on a ruba I I actually remember hearing about this yes yes yes

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that was a pretty big deal yes yes yes but Lauren Hill wasn't really feeling it

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like all this yeah she did perform but it wasn't really really thanks to Wyclef

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and Prass it was like wow because Wyclef I mean Prass came on the stage and

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really you know put the hype on the mic and and and but Lauren Hill was in the

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long hill back in the days yeah yeah yeah I even met Eve oh yeah she was an island

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what are you calling Rough Riders again the pit bull the I forget I can't remember

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the name no but she had a she had a nickname though so then so what was

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happening the Danny Danny I call him Danny so he was expanding his restaurant

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so he told me hey I'm going to Jamaica I'm gonna buy some things I'm gonna make

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some I need new partners I need to be there to talk to these people that you

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see if we could get a better price and deal I'm gonna send a container from

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Jamaica to Aruba with some new new new stuff and new stuff merchandise yeah so

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we basically set up a new location and we went to Jamaica and there is where I

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met Sharon Burke again so Sharon saw that was on the island is Jamaica and

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she told me hey come cross so I went there there is where I met Wyclef sorry

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Wyclef elephant man elephant man Movado and shit Movado that that's that's early

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early move on before yeah yeah yeah because this is what 2004 or 5 yeah

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something like that because I'm a vado they don't pop until like no 6 or 7 yeah

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but he was singing a lot on the ground yeah yeah and bounty killer to bounty

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killer bounty a bounty killer actually Sharon was knew that I was a big fan of

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bounty kill because I met her in Aruba she asked me which is your favorite

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the reggae dancehall artist I said bounty killer and then she was like yeah okay

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if you come to make her I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure you

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meet bounty killer so bounty she called he was by the studio by solid agency she

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called bounty killer we are right now yeah I have a big fan who I'm once a

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meter and he was by car wash oh shit and back in those days he was driving the

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the Rover the white one so remember his car but by the car wash that's him talk

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to him and yeah some nice memories nice memories and there is where we had I

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think those is also some of the things that we connected on early in the days

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when we when we first started talking the dancehall music I was deep deep in

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into dancehall music bounty killer was also one of my top top guys elephant

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man yeah we later on Movado came out by this time you already a bit more grown

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so it's a bit of a different dynamic than when there's a teenage version of

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you listening to any time we hungry again they might go see we yeah yeah yeah

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no but it was a nice nice experience so basically when Sharon Burke was seeing

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all the what I was doing with soul beach so she told me like a direct look I need

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someone like you to help me with some parties in Jamaica and free to travel

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with me oh so I did a couple of months traveling with her in Jamaica and then

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we went to Europe then you went to Europe to some parties but only with

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Bounty Killer and some other artists to some concerts and that was it then is

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when I spoke to I met this guy if you know if you know the reggae music you

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know him probably which is his name is David Rodigan

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okay so Sharon maybe let me let me come back with a question then so just a

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quick observation actually what started with meeting someone connected helping

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out with them setting up social media accounts and getting some food in

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return so what what are we talking jerk chicken jerk chicken jerk chicken I know

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that was one of your favorites not anymore because Derek Derek will explain

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the vegan life in a short bit most likely but that's that's another thing

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we had in common before but those days are over I'll still eat my jerk chicken

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my jerk so started with helping out just for some jerk chicken which led into you

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collaborating more and more and and helping him on different projects and

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parties going to one of the biggest events on Aruba the soul beach where this

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this this happens every year right pretty much once a year and and and and

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some of the biggest artists in the world come to soul beach Aruba so that then

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connected you to a whole other atmosphere from being the guy at home

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playing and scratching on Denims to now being connected to these big names and

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that in turn led to again through the restaurant situation led to you going

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to Jamaica where connections that you met that soul beach also started to

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introduce you to the bigger music industry within Jamaica which then led

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to you being on tour with some of your dance hall idols so it all started with

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just helping out a cool dude for some jerk chicken in return to actually being

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on tour with your idols yes that's that's some real-life shit there guys

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that's a real-life lessons there so continue I'm going to Europe I wish I

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wish we had social media on our phones like right right now back in the days

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because I think I would have 100k followers most of these things I never

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get a chance to to take pictures and because I wasn't really into to taking

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pictures back in the days and I regret it right now because I have no proof of

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all of none of these things I mean you got the memories I got the memories I

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got them and who do you have to prove to do no no no no but I have I have a

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couple of pictures but yeah you know yeah so long ago yeah yeah yeah I

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remember seeing one with Damien Marley yeah yeah actually that's like 2005 is

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right that that's really like Jamrock Damien yeah yeah yeah so yeah yeah so

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um I did a couple of tours with them and so where all you guys went in Europe we

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went to Switzerland we went to Germany we went to Belgium we went to a few

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stops in the Netherlands if you ever been to a real concert in the Netherlands

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you will know that sometimes just on a Tuesday night or Thursday night they will

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have a reggae artist pop up and that's how what you were doing so the good

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thing was that I was speaking English Spanish and Dutch yeah and I had a

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Dutch passport so I could go anywhere anywhere like just like that yeah the

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Jamaican artists then we got a lot of trouble and we got a lot of arrangement

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with visas etc yeah yeah so she was really happy with me and but then I

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think we was I can't remember which one which concert it was but I met this this

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guy called David Rodigan you know the name wants us all familiar but I'm not

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sure so they were all gone is is is the the the English man that's what I call it

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for fell in love with reggae music so so if you if you Dutch and you live in and

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then you live your parents love reggae music is more probably because of him

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because he started promoting reggae music yeah on on BBC long time ago yeah

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and and I met him and he told me do what you love and love what you do but don't

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forget to have always have other things that keep experimenting and don't keep

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only on one part yeah so the whole time I was thinking about it when I was going

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back a little bit so like okay what should I do I'm making good money like

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I made good money on this tour and then I went back home I started I connect I

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call I send a mail to mail MSN messenger so I'm chatting to a good friend of mine

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and I told her like a so what do I need to do to get to go back to school so she

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told me like actually it's pretty easy so she sent me a couple of links she even

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send boss for me okay with with all those introductions from from schools

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from MBO etc etc so thinking about the situation I was and I was like no I'm

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not I'm not gonna go school and and get depth yeah yeah so I did the baby I love

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letting you stay not like we hear the baby I love letting yeah so so in in

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English that would translate to that you you go to school for a couple hours in

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the week and then the rest of the week you're working right yeah so I was

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going to school once a week and for about six to eight hours and then four

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times a week I was working with a company that is certified for that

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degree yeah for network administration that would be the name I think yes so

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so ICT network administration yeah and and I think there's also like a really

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really interesting deep lesson here because many of us coming from the

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Caribbean as I would say especially the Dutch Caribbean I'm not a hundred percent

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sure of how it exactly flows with those from the English Caribbean but many of us

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coming from the Dutch Caribbean we we leave home at 17 18 19 and we move to

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the Netherlands and we begin to study but immediately we we receive a

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scholarship to study and then we're full-time students and this scholarship

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is in in most cases it's it's a loan a loan that you would have to pay back at

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the end of the at the end of the road and what I'm hearing here is because how

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old were you when when when you were thinking to start back school 23 24 24

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24 so there's already six years of like real adult life experience that took

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place before making that decision to go back to school right so you also look at

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things very differently at that point the 17 18 year olds they parents just

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tell you hey you got to go to school sign here they give you like this very

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brief explanation of what it means and you sign and you go and it isn't until

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you start hitting 24 25 and and and and and really start looking at those

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statements that you like dude what the hell do I owe here for this school is

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this degree even worth all of that so yeah I was a victim of one of those

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traps and it's and it's definitely something that I want to highlight and

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and uncover and talk more about that's that's that's another reason why I find

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your story to be interesting because you saw persons that you grew up with they

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did the standard move which is you emigrate from the Caribbean from the

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Dutch Caribbean come to the Netherlands you study you take on a lot of depth

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then potentially you either return back to the islands or you start working in

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the Netherlands or elsewhere but that depth remains and that's something that

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you have to pay and and deal with before you can actually like really move on

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with your life and for us at least in our age bracket and I can imagine that

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is gonna be even trickier now for those that are about 10 years younger than us

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so let's say those that are born in the mid 90s to early 2000 yeah because we're

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going through these whole corona times and and and we're knocking on the door

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of WW3 not the WWF but and not the WWE but the WW3 so you figure out what that

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means it's gonna be a very turmoil and different situation so like in my day it

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was we after 2008 coming off the financial crisis by the time we hit

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around 2012 ish you weren't you weren't really able to get a proper mortgage

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with so much student debt yeah and and and just to clarify things I for those

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that are that are right now students going through the whole process or any

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upcoming students that are about to to move up it's it's something that you

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have to very carefully consider and and really seek to get help and and proper

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financial understanding of what that means because it will have a big effect

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on on your life on your future yeah so you already made a grown decision at 24

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not going to go into any student debt in order to get this education so let's

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fast-forward education what three four years two years two years okay because

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what was happening because on the island when I was working for this computer

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place I decided to invest on myself so after the course I did in the in

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crucial the a plus Comtia a plus and right after that I did the M plus the

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Comtia M plus so there was a network behavior yeah so when I moved to the

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Netherlands with these two degrees they it basically cuts because the network

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behavior operating was four years okay so I caught it in how you cut it in half

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because you already got certain certificates in Aruba so that allowed

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you to not Aruba official because the schools and the easy to planning yeah

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the courses the lessons they that you're getting is based on a plus and based on

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the M plus okay so they give you a small the the the exam is a small basic from

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the a plus and M plus okay so with having those those two degrees the like

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there was like okay you don't be you get in for these two fuck yeah so shit was

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was selling in English again exception yeah exemption exemption so so because

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you did well you got those certificates which which dealt with certain subject

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matters that you would also be doing in in in college so then they exempt you

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from from different courses and that allowed you to take something that would

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have taken four years and and and slice it down to two years yes yeah yeah so

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that was like heaven for me yeah that is the I'm very very happy I didn't did

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didn't do no no no student loan because I've seen a lot of friends that's with

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with trouble right now yeah we're still the non so but I got I guess it was one

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of the best decisions ever yeah nice man so so now we're in

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graduating and then and then you started working in that field right so as a ICT

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yes so system network network administrator network administrator

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okay yeah so maybe describe a little bit about what what that job entails mmm I

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could be different things so be a network administrator is like it depends

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on how your day goes and it depends on where you're working because I've worked

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at different places and it did and it depends on your job description because

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they can it's very broad yeah the network administration and you don't

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know what type of job you're gonna get yeah so when I was working by the

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community over so that's the government of ain't over for all of our English

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guys out there yeah so when I was working at that community I was pretty

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much the third line when for example your computer's not working they will

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you will take the phone you will call someone was try to help you and if they

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cannot help you they will send someone to your desk and they will try to fix it

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if that's not a problem then they will send me good then meets a something else

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is wrong okay yeah that could be one of the options and the second option is

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that there's a network failure something is not working you have networking you

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have you're basically doing everything that has to do with network so you can

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have a lot of different computers in any any any office and all them connecting

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you're sharing files and all those things so basically the whole day you

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just troubleshooting problems that yes or having or you're taking thinking on

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innovations to make it more faster and more efficient efficient for the clients

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okay okay so that and and this is a job that you currently still do to some

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degree right more or less okay more or less I'm not really doing it the same

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thing because I am doing less right now because of my company yeah I decided to

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take something more relaxing a nine-to-five because when you're a

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network administrator oh if stuff goes down middle of the night you might have

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to be on call etc yes yeah sometimes need a drive and most most of the jobs

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right now with us as a network on its administration you are either the whole

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day behind a computer and remotely solving problems or you know you drive

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into the location two locations and I didn't want that okay I did it a couple

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of years and I didn't want that anymore so essentially what you're doing now is

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it's still more or less in in the corner of network administration but it more

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the administration part okay down more the administration than the than the

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network so to be more specific I at the moment I'm working at Philips healthcare

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and we have a lot to do with ICT sorry with MRI scanners x-rays yeah stuff like

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that so they all use computers yeah just to be to keep it simple yeah yeah yeah

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so in interesting so again I'm just kind of puzzling this these these pieces

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together so the guy that was very interested in in being active sports

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activities well I met your dad at some point and I could see where that that

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also comes from yeah I didn't say that I didn't say nothing but I could tell you

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some things if you want to if you want to just briefly mention but yeah so so

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coming to being being this active guy active guy that was also interested in

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in dabbling with with computers at some point dad says hey you got to you you

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got to pull your socks up and and figure it figure this out so got got like the

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first degrees and then because it's it's part of the interest the computers is

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part of the interest but being active is part of the interest the entertainment

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side is part of the interest so all these different interests it was just

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juggling juggling eventually then education wise you chose a path of the

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computers but then sort of the entertainment part sneak back up around

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2013 2014 with with with the camera and taking those early pictures of the

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sneakers yeah so maybe let's take it from from that moment on now from to

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when I start taking pictures when you start taking pictures and how and how

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that really really started to evolve some of the highlights of when you first

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started taking pictures so it it happened like this so I think we was

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looking to sneakers I was I was always buying sneakers but when I moved to the

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Netherlands I had a chance to get those really fresh yes yes the exclusive ones

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yeah what you have on the islands what everybody has those and yeah if you had

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connections and friends and family living in the States they could have

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you're gonna sit tell them they send them over of when your convocation brings

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some fresh person so basically I started to buy sneakers and started posting on

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my Instagram and slowly we I again some followers and people telling me like a

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listen we don't get those pairs in the US can you buy them they do this do they

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still have them can you buy them for me and I'll send you the money you ship it

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for me so I did it a couple of times and I make money out of it and because it's

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a big business there yeah yeah the sneaker reselling is crazy so I did some

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reselling I started taking pictures for myself because I was basically if I

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wanted to buy a new pair and I got a message a this is coming out in a few

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days can you buy two for me and I was a okay I would buy two for you I would

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double up the price and I will buy one for myself and then yeah send him seven

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send him the sneakers so I would pretty much get a sneaker for free yeah so I

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was was was taking pictures then no sorry I didn't take no pictures down yet

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then I we had the basketball thing rock the rim and you take up you took a

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picture from me a couple of pictures from the 11 lows yeah so on cards the

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concourse yeah yeah yeah so for the kids that don't know a Jordan 11 con cards

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lows look them up space jumps the original space jump not a really brown

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special so you took those pictures and then and then I really like the quality

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from the picture so I was like okay so what type of camera you I mean can I do

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the Derek expression then yeah you know this is calm Derek right yeah yeah this

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is common but get Derek in in a hype zone you get hype Derek it is like that

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camera taking that what yeah yeah yeah so then then the research started so

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yeah which cameras should I buy which lamps should I buy I remember getting

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quite a few phone calls yeah in the beginning and then at some point you

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were like yeah I'm gonna do a course I like yeah go ahead do the course man and

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you seem like you're interested in that stuff go ahead the funny thing is I

418
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:05,760
never did a course no no never no never never never I swear you did no no no no

419
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:13,600
so you didn't do any of the photography courses no no I did I did I think right

420
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:19,720
before the corona I did a studio photography okay studio course from

421
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:26,080
yeah that's time you already taking pictures for years yeah but then so

422
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:32,960
there's a lot of research spoke to a lot of people and Instagram is a big help

423
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,040
back then Instagram was totally different I made a lot of good friends

424
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,240
and then Charlie to a lot of people acts accent sending DMs so from what

425
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:48,320
dancers using what camera using and I made a couple of mistakes buying the

426
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:54,600
wrong camera buying the wrong lenses because people with no knowledge would

427
00:47:54,600 --> 00:48:01,480
tell you in the camera stores like no you don't need that you you don't you

428
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,980
don't need that lens it's too professional for you not directly but

429
00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:11,000
yeah yeah indirectly yeah that's basically what it comes down to yeah so

430
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:25,880
I then look I bought the D 3300 and with a 50 millimeters 1.8 okay so that was

431
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,600
the first camera so I was taking a lot of pictures with it a lot of pictures

432
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:39,040
and then I started doing crossword so basically you remember that first

433
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:47,040
introduction yeah yeah yeah yeah so I was pretty much bored and I I gained a

434
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:54,920
lot of weight and then I think I was introduced I think by Claire herself

435
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:02,640
Claire and my gay they went to to introduction class by Paul Hose and I

436
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:09,760
remember signing up for my first crossfit training and I fainted and I

437
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,960
vomited so then took me like two weeks to recover shit yeah yeah I had been all

438
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,400
over I had a kind of a similar experience and that's that's so I

439
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:30,240
basically read like fuck that because that that that first trainer

440
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:37,480
Jeremy Jeremy yeah yeah so Jeremy at that point there was like what 20 21

441
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:44,520
1918 18 19 like like super super fit guys super fanatic yeah he went on to

442
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,480
become he was a couple of times I think the problem not sticking the fittest

443
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,800
man from from the Netherlands yeah so that that's basically the top title

444
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,580
that you can get that's a crossfit athlete fun from your country from your

445
00:49:57,580 --> 00:50:02,520
country and he went also a couple of times to the CrossFit Games yeah which

446
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:08,240
is the Olympics from CrossFit you can compare it to that yeah so so well I'm

447
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,700
not really plug in CrossFit but there's a couple documentaries on Netflix where

448
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:16,560
you can see this stuff right yeah it's it's pretty fun and interesting to

449
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:22,520
watch but yeah that first time that one of my first experiences was with that

450
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:30,680
was with Jeremy so being this young guy not not fully understanding that not

451
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,040
everyone is coming there to train to eventually compete in the CrossFit

452
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:40,480
Olympics I was just trying to be in shape don't try and kill me on the first

453
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:49,120
day yeah so yeah with my busy schedule I said fuck that and I gave up hey but you

454
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:57,400
continued yeah yeah yeah so I continued then so around that time Jeremy had

455
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:05,800
just signed he did a low lens which at that time was the biggest events CrossFit

456
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:14,880
events in the Netherlands the low lens and I think he he got right after that

457
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:25,840
he got a contract on OrangeFit so he got a contract for OrangeFit and then he he

458
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:33,040
needed pictures but right before he asked me to take pictures the owner rest

459
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:42,000
in peace Jan Heng he saw my my social media and he told me hey daddy I need a

460
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,000
couple of pictures for my my social media I need to do something can you help

461
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:54,160
me this this weekend I got us we have a small event can you take some pictures

462
00:51:54,160 --> 00:52:01,360
so I was like hmm yeah sure why not I never did CrossFit I never took pictures

463
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:10,720
from CrossFit yeah and he he liked the pictures after that so after that he

464
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:18,560
told me can you do this more often I'm like okay and he told me like how much

465
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:26,320
do you want and then then two weeks later we had a meeting he said no we

466
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:37,240
spoke business and that was my first photography meeting yeah a month after I

467
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:44,120
was taking pictures from Jeremy mm-hmm his sponsor OrangeFit a lot of time

468
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:49,920
just started they didn't have no content they saw the pictures because I was

469
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,240
tagging Jeremy and Jeremy Jeremy was tagging me mm-hmm so they asked me

470
00:52:55,240 --> 00:53:03,960
hey can we get more of those pictures so we sit down we call then we call yeah

471
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:12,160
and we had a meeting and and we spoke business but it was all I wasn't making

472
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:18,440
a lot of money with it back back in the days because there was only two of us

473
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:26,760
really doing this in the Netherlands yeah one of them is social is social name

474
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:32,160
is barbell photography his name is cutting he's a very smart guy and very

475
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:39,680
technical with photography so he was the only one really doing it fanatic like me

476
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:46,680
yeah the other guys and they have some hobbyist taking pictures so there

477
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:54,440
wasn't really doing a lot of stuff like how we both of you was doing so then I

478
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,920
decided to not do something about this so that story I told you about that guy

479
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:06,600
on the island passing with a with a van and shouting a the party going to be

480
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:13,320
next week blah blah blah blah I got ideas from him yeah so I went to all

481
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,440
the cross it boxes in the area because if you go on crossing.com you will find

482
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:24,160
out all the affiliates I ran by them I told them look I'm going to come take

483
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:30,880
pictures from your box during classes minimum two hours you are allowed to use

484
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:40,000
maximum you just your box or your social media five pictures with my logo the

485
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:46,440
rest of the pictures your your your people the community is allowed to use

486
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:52,360
it there's the the supporters allowed to use the pictures but you're not allowed

487
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,480
to use the pictures on your website nothing on your socials Instagram and

488
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:02,320
Facebook yeah there was happy you know Dutch people it's really what I'm needs

489
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:11,360
yeah yeah so what was happening they gained a lot of followers right after I

490
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,840
shared the album with them because I shared I used to share the album on

491
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,060
Facebook yeah and everybody should talk the box hmm they supposed and talk the

492
00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:26,040
box yeah and the way it was getting a lot of people was asking those people

493
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:32,120
hey what type of sport is that yeah yeah and then the the the people use

494
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,740
explain them like hey this is crossfit blah blah and they used to come and do a

495
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:43,280
trial so what was happening there was getting clients yeah and then is when

496
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:50,360
the boxes asked me hey what do you charge per hour or can we get all those

497
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,560
pictures because I need to update my website yeah I need to do some

498
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,440
marketing for my Facebook and Instagram and back I think back in those days you

499
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,520
couldn't really promote on Instagram but you could have promote on Facebook yeah

500
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:08,840
so they wanted to do that but I was doing the promotion for powerhouse so

501
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:15,840
all of these gyms in the area of ain't over was seen powerhouse pictures

502
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:24,120
pictures pictures like oh promotion mm-hmm so I just got those ideas and then

503
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:32,040
and I use them and I execute it yeah after after like I did it for two months

504
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:38,880
I visit all the boxes in the area after those two months I think I was booked

505
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:45,600
like every weekend every weekend so you definitely you definitely went out there

506
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:52,960
and started to introduce yourself to these to these boxes started to promote

507
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:59,880
what you do in your skills as a so we maybe didn't touch that as much then in

508
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:06,800
the conversation but as a Caribbean man up until that point the job that you did

509
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:14,080
the the previous well your main work up until that point was more focused on

510
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:21,240
having interactions with I wouldn't say customers but having interactions with

511
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:26,360
colleagues that you're supporting on the network inside but this is now a whole

512
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:31,120
different dynamic where you have to go out and meet and sell to people that you

513
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:37,800
don't know that also don't know you that aren't aware of your skill set of what

514
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:43,280
you have to offer what's your added value so how was that whole experience

515
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:51,400
like for you it was for me it was pretty much natural because I had to do with

516
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:58,440
sports yeah I had to do with the language crossfit sports it was it was

517
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,520
because at that point then maybe to give a little bit more context you are already

518
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,640
like seriously into CrossFit for about a year before you took those pictures for

519
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,800
Jeremy yeah yeah yeah so I was so he was already a part of that community for

520
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:21,960
some time so I did a lot of YouTube again a lot of information I got really

521
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:27,720
into the sport and maybe to give a bit more context as well because the

522
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:37,200
CrossFit started what was it like two three years after you were already busy

523
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,080
that you already busy with the photography taking pictures of the

524
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,400
sneakers etc because you really honed your craft and learn how to work with

525
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,400
the camera and lighting and different creative techniques taking pictures of

526
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:57,480
sneakers for fun yeah yeah yeah yeah so I was doing the sneaker part like two

527
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:04,680
years two three years yeah so I learned to take pictures let's call it portraits

528
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:13,360
yeah but then when you do sports and indoor you have to do with have to deal

529
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:20,320
with light you have to deal with fast movements and understanding the sport

530
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:28,600
yeah so those three together is the mix it's really really difficult to take the

531
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:37,120
perfect picture yeah but again again the beauty in the story is that you spend

532
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:43,920
time honing the craft of photography in something completely separate where at

533
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:50,200
least you learn how to work with the camera properly then you spend time just

534
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,640
personally working out in the sport and becoming part of the community and

535
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,480
really truly understand in the sport yes and again that passion for really

536
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,080
and truly needing to understand the sport comes from the young guy that was

537
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:10,680
into all these different sports so he showed back up then sharing all of those

538
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:16,220
pictures on Instagram also had a bit of the entertainment aspect and and the

539
01:00:16,220 --> 01:00:21,640
social media showcasing stuff to the world which would sort of touch back on

540
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:29,360
that entertainment journey that you are on for some time yeah so then when the

541
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,440
step came to make pictures in CrossFit which had to do with these three

542
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,040
different dynamics that you just mentioned can you name them again so

543
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:44,920
lighting lights yeah light so because it's indoor and movements movement yeah

544
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:51,600
understanding the sports yeah so essentially the light you already had some

545
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,120
experience with but you needed to up that craft and then the movement was

546
01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:01,240
really the part that was the most new that needed to get figured out yeah yeah

547
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:07,120
but if I have to be honest all three are to figure that out yeah I'll show you of

548
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:12,720
them because it's totally different to take pictures outside in a sunny day

549
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:20,720
mm-hmm you don't have to worry about your ISO and inside the gym constantly

550
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:27,240
changing it's not changing it's it's you have to have a really good camera and a

551
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:32,320
really good lens yeah and like because everything else just looks like shit

552
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:40,480
because if you have a cheap camera yeah you will have all the the quality of the

553
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,800
picture will not be good yeah I don't want to go I don't want to be too

554
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:49,560
romantic about it yeah but and go all to end all to all into the technical parts

555
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:55,960
but the quality of the picture would not be good so that's when I needed to

556
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:03,320
figure out so what do I need so again I was new I didn't want to to to spend the

557
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:14,240
money on gear so I made a deal I mean deal with devil so it was a pretty good

558
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:19,800
deal back back in the day so I told the box owner listen if you want more better

559
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:25,440
quality pictures you need to buy me a new camera new lens so he was like okay

560
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:34,280
how much how much how much would it be okay good he bought it done done so then

561
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:41,040
he did not and the quality of the pictures got better yeah I was in

562
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,840
confidence enough to start doing those tours and going visit all those other

563
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:53,280
boxes yeah to to see to to make my money to buy new gear or better quality

564
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:58,360
pictures yeah forgot better quality pictures then and that's a rabbit hole

565
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:06,400
once you start getting into photography and buying gear oh my god look at us

566
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:24,560
maybe maybe maybe for the for the yeah we just took a selfie John took a selfie

567
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:31,440
no so um it's it's an uh let me call it a dot during that period it was an

568
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:39,000
expensive and expensive hobby mm-hmm and it is very expensive yeah so my camera

569
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:47,800
that is for a man right now that is the a92 yeah which cost brand new five

570
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:56,040
thousand euros yeah and it's expensive and I have two of those bodies I

571
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:03,480
actually have three bodies right right now but it's an expensive hobby if you

572
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:08,800
want to call it if it's just a hobby it's an expensive hobby so but so that's

573
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:13,840
why it didn't remain a hobby exactly so when when I started to do in those

574
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:21,840
tours and getting all these clients and talking to them and they would because

575
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:28,760
you have to look at it this way nobody knew who I was yeah nobody it wasn't

576
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:35,040
something it was something totally new for people to come take pictures at your

577
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:42,160
box yeah at your box closet box I mean at a time how long were these boxes

578
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:48,960
even one year and exist one year yeah yeah most of those entrepreneurs were

579
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:54,280
still trying to figure out what's the formula for growing across exactly

580
01:04:54,280 --> 01:05:00,520
because the one thing I learned from these tours let me just call it a tour a

581
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:06,680
photography tour most of these gym owners are not really social they weren't

582
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:13,200
managing the social media they weren't answering the call because most of these

583
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:21,860
gym owners are owners and they are coaches and head coaches oh yeah so

584
01:05:21,860 --> 01:05:27,000
they're wearing a lot of different caps yeah exactly so when you call them and

585
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:33,280
tell him hey I want to come take pictures there was like how much is how

586
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:40,000
much is it how much you touch for free oh okay good yeah cuz as soon as you if

587
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,560
the first thing was like yes gonna cost you xxx they're like no sorry can't do

588
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:52,400
bye yeah so you basically got in each and every door with with with the

589
01:05:52,400 --> 01:06:00,800
initial free meal exactly and no website yeah just socials Instagram and Facebook

590
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:08,280
and so I was going to these gyms and then making contact talk to them and

591
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:15,200
like I said like after two months all these gyms starting to ask me like a we

592
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:22,000
have we organizing our second year existing and the business existing two

593
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,800
years now we need pictures we are organizing a small party we're doing

594
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:31,560
some workouts what will it cost okay good I'm doing something good hey I'm

595
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:37,440
Derek we are doing a website update we would like for you to take some new

596
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:43,000
pictures but we would like of also like to buy the pictures that you took the

597
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:49,760
free pictures the yeah so and and it started to upgrade yeah upgrade

598
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:56,120
upgrade it started becoming more more popular than I started getting DMs on

599
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:02,880
all the photographers hmm how do you do this yeah what is the business and for

600
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,980
me it was all natural it was all natural all natural yeah because dude you you

601
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:17,080
went on tour with bounty killer arrange and shit all over Europe before you

602
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:22,680
locked in the degree so this this this is natural you just go to places you

603
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:31,040
talk to people you show value you bring value and shit happens yeah so it was

604
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:35,160
all natural for me but again I have to thank the past because all these things

605
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:40,360
what I did in the past what really helped me right now but it was really

606
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:46,440
scary because again nobody knew who I was and I think that was really the the

607
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:57,080
thing because I would step into these gyms I'm like can I help you and I would

608
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:02,960
say I'm the photographer oh really and to this day I still get you still get

609
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:08,080
that and and most of the time I understand what that look is yeah yeah

610
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:13,960
and most of the time when I deliver the content mm-hmm it's all good yeah yeah

611
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:20,040
yeah then then then then it gets flipped yeah so so for the kids that are are the

612
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:26,960
younger ones etc like sometimes you'll get the look because definitely being

613
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:35,040
in let's just say Europe in in in a country that it is familiar but yet

614
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:44,480
there's also a foreign element people aren't always expecting us to come in

615
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:49,760
and deal with things on a certain professionalism level and sometimes that

616
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,520
can be pretty annoying the feeling of it but the feeling of it is something that

617
01:08:54,520 --> 01:09:00,280
you just have to sort of put aside put in the work show the value and then

618
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:04,560
everything changes and and those feelings start to become more normalized

619
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:10,680
and you will keep getting those feelings but you need to keep professional and

620
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:15,800
and and also understand that because this this is something that personally

621
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:26,040
I've just been sort of playing with in my own mind sometimes that so something

622
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:32,880
that I also like to something that I also like to think about is yeah from

623
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:39,960
their perspective they're also media sort of also plays a role in this where

624
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:46,200
where we are many times we are shown in not the best lights when when there's

625
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:51,960
when there's one of our Caribbean guys hit in the news nine times out of ten is

626
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,280
for something negative and not positive yeah this is also one of the main

627
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:02,600
reasons why I felt the need and the importance to have this show to have

628
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:08,600
this podcast to showcase our Caribbean role models these amazing talents and

629
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:15,920
show all that that that we have in store and and and knowing that it is possible

630
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:21,680
and and even though you get those looks and feelings at certain times that you

631
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:26,280
just need to put that to the side focus on the goal focus on what you're there

632
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:31,640
to do get the job done show the added value and usually everything starts to

633
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:36,960
change from that point and and and the treatment also starts to improve etc

634
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:42,840
yeah and and sometimes you need to be lucky also to get the right customer

635
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:49,560
that like like I have to say like it took me a while to get where I am right

636
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:58,080
now and pure because I could say maybe I should say luck mm-hmm because like one

637
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:03,680
of our biggest customers right now is very very very happy with what we are

638
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:10,160
doing but I don't think a lot of our customers would really take that chance

639
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:19,960
with us yeah and right now some of them would love to work with us yeah but and

640
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:28,200
those people like that customer is like he reminds me of my old friend Danny

641
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:33,960
yeah yeah yeah so he's one of those guys taking under the wing yeah yeah yeah but

642
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,320
at the same time giving you room and yeah and I mean now you're a grown man

643
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:45,040
so you got the professionalism is on a whole other level yes exactly yeah so it

644
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:52,080
takes time and patience but so Derek let's jump to maybe a couple of the

645
01:11:52,080 --> 01:12:02,040
highlights of of of the wad photography career up until now and then segue into

646
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:08,160
some of the transition that's happening and and maybe a little bit of outlook on

647
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:14,080
the future okay so hmm what's happening first the highlights the highlights

648
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,960
highlights so what what what are some of the biggest moments that you experience

649
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:25,720
with what photography what biggest moments okay I can say that I'm the

650
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:36,440
first a Ruben Caribbean photographer that has his pictures on CrossFit that

651
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:42,520
CrossFit is using so that's CrossFit HQ in the United States purchase your

652
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:47,200
pictures to use on their media channels yeah that was back in the days you could

653
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:54,440
upload your pictures if they like it yeah buy it $300 per picture

654
01:12:54,440 --> 01:13:05,520
but they don't do that no more so and I said I because of I was trying a lot of

655
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:12,600
pictures yeah taking pictures and uploading them every day yeah and if they

656
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:18,320
like it we got an email hey we would like to pictures of purchases picture

657
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:25,000
yeah $300 paid out Tom so that's how I buy a lot of gear I bought a lot of gear

658
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:31,520
that's one thanks CrossFit HQ thank you thank you thank you much gracias so

659
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:44,520
that was one one more is I am the first photographer again Dutch Ruben

660
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:50,920
Creusel from the Caribbean that photographer that did the photography of

661
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:59,160
a open announcement so once it's a the open announcement give a brief

662
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,160
explanation of what that is because that's leading to the CrossFit Games

663
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:07,960
which is like the CrossFit Olympics so um once a year mm-hmm they all the gyms

664
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:14,480
around the world all the cross gym's they you're you me are allowed to sign

665
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:19,480
up for the open so they have back in this you saw used to be five five weeks

666
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:24,080
behind each other every week you have a new workout yeah so you do the workout

667
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:31,680
and you after those five weeks you will get a category which is score you will

668
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:37,880
see your name and that's how we do you so give the title to the fittest yeah

669
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:47,120
man or woman per country or for in the world so the announcement was I think in

670
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:54,160
2018 in the Netherlands so they did three announcement one in Paris one in

671
01:14:54,160 --> 01:15:00,080
the Netherlands one in the States yeah and I was taking pictures of the one in

672
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:05,680
the Netherlands so you were the only photographer they only put oh wow so I

673
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:14,880
did I did those pictures and then you had last year was a big deal the biggest

674
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:20,600
deal the biggest deal I the creme de la creme not really that's not the creme

675
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:25,160
but that is not the goal until this point yeah up until this point so last

676
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:37,960
year last year I I sign my soul to the universe okay okay explain so cross at

677
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:44,360
HQ Samy a contract to take pictures for them so oh shit yeah so cross at HQ

678
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:52,520
Samy a contract so I'm at the moment I'm a contracted photographer in Europe for

679
01:15:52,520 --> 01:16:01,760
CrossFit HQ oh I was about to give you a damn boops of that whole mic situation

680
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:07,560
flies out yeah so yeah congrats man thank you thank you thank you so when

681
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,880
that happened it was really like oh my god I had to go so true so much

682
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:18,840
procedures and and and signed the papers and stuff like that and then actually

683
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:24,800
right before that we got our biggest client to which is what we are doing

684
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:31,580
right now what you mentioned and previously we are managing about seven

685
01:16:31,580 --> 01:16:40,680
social media accounts okay seven social media accounts seven events I believe

686
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:47,880
six from those events they have each every year they have two events per year

687
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:57,000
so in total 14 events every year 13 sorry yeah 13 events and we are doing

688
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,520
the marketing we are doing the social media we are doing the branding we are

689
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:07,920
doing pretty much everything so that essentially is what photography is

690
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:13,600
transitioning into something else that is more than just photography media

691
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:19,520
management social media management exactly exactly creation so we have the

692
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:24,240
moment we have my wife my gay managers and doing is doing at the moment the

693
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:33,200
marketing for the socials and we have an easier which is different I told you

694
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:38,920
previously I sent me a message MSM messenger a king semi-wag full circle

695
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:46,080
shit again I love it she she is gonna since January since this year she's

696
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,760
gonna be helping us with the copywriting because she's an English teacher she's a

697
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:57,080
Jamaican actually oh wow yeah she's an English teacher I think I think at the

698
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:03,440
other say in Amsterdam okay and she's she's she's gonna help us with that

699
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:09,000
because we started with her this year the Dutch showdown which is going to be

700
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:14,440
the fourth and the fifth the finals the body edition and mass what is gonna be

701
01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:25,400
for the first time a cross license event which we push push or or negotiated no

702
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:31,120
no we with the with owner of an event we had to really push it telling a we need

703
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:37,320
to do this because if you're not a cross gym or a license event you cannot use a

704
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:43,280
word cross which you cannot use yeah that is cross with yeah so we push and

705
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:49,360
push and push and they finally say okay we're gonna do it nice so we are now

706
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:55,280
since this year a cross it license event the first one in Benelux the first one

707
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:06,160
so we we are doing we're doing big things as my guys back in SM would say

708
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:13,680
we are back in the days beat Street big things for big people nice man nice nice

709
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:19,200
thanks thanks so looking looking into that crystal ball of the future well

710
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,960
before we look into that crystal ball right let's let's just go back let's go

711
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:32,640
back let's say 20 plus years ago the 18 year old Eric the one before your dad

712
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:39,940
told you it's time to mom before your dad told you it's time to to focus and

713
01:19:39,940 --> 01:19:45,640
get your ish together the 18 year old you looking back what what would you tell

714
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:50,200
that guy what advice would you give him because he was thinking about his future

715
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:54,760
and about what he's gonna do with himself etc what advice would you look

716
01:19:54,760 --> 01:20:06,440
back and give that guy you know like my my parents they there was really

717
01:20:06,440 --> 01:20:12,520
flexible with me mm-hmm but at the same time they used to tell me and give me

718
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:18,400
advice like you should really do this you should really do that but there was

719
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:25,240
really flexible with me and I think I I should have listened to much more to my

720
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:36,800
father pops you hearing that we got a cut off this little clip yeah yeah no

721
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:42,840
telling that no no no I never told him that no never told him that no but you

722
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:49,520
know you know the thing is that if you look in that look my father is back in

723
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:54,960
the days like again it has to do with sports my father had a gym in Curacao

724
01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:02,640
yeah and it was named body business so he was doing he's an engineer my father

725
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:08,240
is an engineer for those people and that live in Curacao the listening my father

726
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:14,680
is used to be the detective Francis and what what is this they're doing a lot of

727
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:20,920
things with overhauling from boats and electrical on the island and yeah slide

728
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:27,720
all of those things yeah so my father was a detective there and and for years

729
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:33,720
and on the side he was doing he had a gym because he didn't want to train at

730
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:39,480
other gyms and he believed that it should be nice and neat you should be

731
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:44,640
rules and yeah ghetto yeah yeah so you weren't allowed to come on the gym with

732
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:50,280
slippers you was you you had to bring your own towel if you didn't bring a

733
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:55,020
towel they had to pay for a towel yeah yeah which was I think 50 cents or 25

734
01:21:55,020 --> 01:21:59,560
cents yeah you had to pay for the towel for it being nice and things like that

735
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:09,360
so you know like I was helping him in the gym with bit of everything when I

736
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:14,640
was living there yeah and the same time he used to tell me hey come let me go

737
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,960
be a higher for meeting but about bodybuilding yeah I used to go with him

738
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:24,440
but I wasn't really paying attention yeah yeah so that's why I told him you

739
01:22:24,440 --> 01:22:29,880
don't know how lucky he is so you got got learned to pay a big good attention

740
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:35,600
because now you're getting some serious life nuggets yeah so if I had been more

741
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:42,400
attention maybe like was following him more the way I was with back in the days

742
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:46,840
with Danny yeah I could have learned so much for him yeah in the world from

743
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:51,000
sports maybe I could have do something to make gym even bigger yeah but he

744
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:57,600
didn't want to do it so after a while he sold the gym and then he stopped it but

745
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:02,880
then he built another gym just for himself because the gym was too big too

746
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:12,840
much people was coming etc etc but he he was pretty much he was also the I think

747
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:17,640
the president from bodybuilding for me on something from bodybuilding yeah and

748
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:26,760
he went to a couple thing to Arnold classics to George so he was really into

749
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,840
sports into that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so I mean in that in that

750
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:35,480
sense there's also that connection there it's in the blood yeah yeah really

751
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:39,640
connected into the sports world you found your own thing yeah yeah he was in

752
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:45,640
the bodybuilding you more on the CrossFit side yeah yeah so awesome so the

753
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:50,880
advice that you would give your 18 year old self is listen to dad more yeah yeah

754
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:57,200
yeah and maybe maybe be because you know at that time you're young and all you

755
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:02,200
all you want to do is you don't you're not you're not thinking business-wise

756
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:12,480
yeah and I didn't know what how much it would benefit me being at those meetings

757
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:21,360
or just listening to him what are how to do things yeah so how to negotiate yeah

758
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:29,880
yeah yeah yeah I'll just be part of the business because just imagine a family

759
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:40,240
member of yours has a business yeah and actually that is free stash yeah free

760
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:47,600
free internship yes and yeah yeah there's a lot of life lessons and not

761
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:53,320
get that you can get from being around family members that that that have a

762
01:24:53,320 --> 01:25:01,440
business I mean you can also get that from those working but obviously as as

763
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:07,280
as an entrepreneur having our entrepreneurial aspirations there's

764
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:12,520
there's so tremendous value in being able to connect with someone that that

765
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:17,080
that you know in love and that doing this yeah that's doing it everything

766
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:23,080
yes you know if you go work for someone they're not gonna share everything to

767
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:29,360
you yeah like they will share it but at certain point they could think that oh

768
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:34,400
he will leave me and go work for himself or he will go work for someone else etc

769
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:41,960
etc and and at least in the islands and yeah so but I would say like my father I

770
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:47,320
should have listened more to him if he listened to this podcast solid advice

771
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:52,920
solid advice yeah so so for those because I mean I grew up with pretty

772
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:57,320
much without my dad so it wasn't really the type of situation that I would

773
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:03,320
listen to as much but for those that grew up with a good father take that

774
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:08,840
damn advice or to your mother to know if your mother yeah yeah yeah yeah to your

775
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:14,320
mother to your mother to yeah definitely I definitely my 18 year old self should

776
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:20,480
have listened to a tad bit more of my mom's advice I would say that yeah so

777
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:25,800
that's the 18 year old you advice and then looking into the crystal ball of

778
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:31,560
the future any plans that you want to share or any ambitions or any any thoughts

779
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:41,240
in general um we are what photography is my company name and for those who don't

780
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:47,760
know is WOD photography work out of the day work out the CrossFit terminology

781
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:57,200
yes exactly thanks for the explanation so we are not photography we're not only

782
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:01,280
doing a photography at the moment we're doing much more we are doing social

783
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:10,240
media management we are doing the marketing we are doing the we're doing a

784
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:16,520
bit of everything we are recruiting photographers photographers we are doing

785
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:24,560
everything that if you go on a KLM page just imagine each and every post from

786
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:29,480
KLM someone is doing that someone is thinking about it so we are doing all of

787
01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:35,640
those things so we are upgrading our company and we are still trying to

788
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,680
figure out what name I'm gonna name it because that's the most difficult part

789
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:47,200
we have a couple of names but we are busy with that and hopefully hopefully we

790
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:56,080
will find out and release the date release the name before June okay so

791
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:01,200
that's that's the big thing that we are looking forward to for this year and

792
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:09,840
for the future and for those at home wanting to find you online what are the

793
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:17,200
social handles the websites so you can tell them live and direct in the camera

794
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:23,040
WOD photography that is our socials I think you could put also put it also

795
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:30,720
below oh yeah yeah we'll have to put it yeah so that is my Instagram and my

796
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:36,120
Facebook and they can also find me on WW what photography dot-com which

797
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:44,920
Antonia media made for me so plug plug plug this podcast is sponsored by

798
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:54,200
Antonia media oh for those that don't know that's my company by the way yeah

799
01:28:54,200 --> 01:29:02,160
man so mr. customers thank you very very much for joining us on the Sunside

800
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:06,480
Kingdom show and it's it's always interesting to see in these

801
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:14,520
conversations how new gems and new specs come to light and and and and and it

802
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:19,120
shows me also yourself in a new perspective and and actually connecting

803
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:24,040
all those dots in your journey like in all the conversations we had in the past

804
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:28,800
and I never quite saw it in that way so this dynamic also sort of gives a whole

805
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:33,320
different perspective on that maybe for you it also released some new nuggets of

806
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:43,800
how it all connected in the end yeah yeah no that's because telling a story

807
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:50,760
like this is totally different yeah but thinking about it is like thinking and

808
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:55,320
talking about it and someone asked me all these questions it's like makes you

809
01:29:55,320 --> 01:30:04,360
realize that oh wow actually happy like that yeah and yeah something's just

810
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:11,320
happening naturally and that's how the universe works so exactly all right

811
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:17,880
thanks again bro and for those that you at home at home or on the road viewing

812
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:22,840
this on the iPhone etc thanks a lot for tuning in to this full episode of

813
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:31,080
Sunside Kingdom show I would like you to hit that subscribe button drop a like

814
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:38,600
and also comment down below comment down below perhaps asking some additional

815
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:44,200
questions that that that that I may be missed out on that I should have asked or

816
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:51,080
also give us some tips and tricks some tips to who we can also invite on to the

817
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:56,000
show because we're looking for Dutch Caribbean role models whether they're

818
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:02,880
living in the Netherlands or based in in in the Caribbean we want to know more

819
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:08,360
about these individuals and showcase and highlight their journeys so that we can

820
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:14,860
share the positive side of the sunny side of the kingdom so thanks again for

821
01:31:14,860 --> 01:31:21,400
tuning in and I'll see you in the next one peace