1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,760 People, good day, good evening, good afternoon, good night, good morning, wherever you're 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,840 connecting from in this beautiful, wonderful world. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,440 Thank you for being here with us today. 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,780 Welcome to the Sunside Kingdom Show, the place where we highlight successful individuals 5 00:00:18,780 --> 00:00:23,360 with roots and or associations hailing from the Dutch Caribbean. 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,740 These accomplished persons are true role models and examples of what can be achieved when 7 00:00:28,740 --> 00:00:35,880 hard work, perseverance and focus is attached to their journey. 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,200 Today I'm your host, John Sandiford, aka Jam Sandiford. 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,600 Let's get into this episode. 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:51,920 Welcome to the Sunside Kingdom Show. 11 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:59,820 All right, so today I'm here with I would say another good friend of mine. 12 00:00:59,820 --> 00:01:06,240 Maybe for quite some years we were very good acquaintances and that friendship has been 13 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,360 growing ever since. 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,080 So cheers. 15 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:15,360 It's not rum because guys out here got to stay focused and sharp in 2023, you know what 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,360 I mean? 17 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,360 True, true. 18 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,360 So this is a little bit of- 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:19,360 It's the best coffee. 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:29,000 But I'm here sitting with Mr. Provasia, as I like to call him. 21 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:35,520 Someone that I've seen from afar and also up close has worked on his craft for many, 22 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:41,840 many years, has built one of the largest dance schools in the Eindhoven region. 23 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,960 So that's in the south of the Netherlands, has won I don't know how many championships 24 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,480 because whenever we walk into that place, I just see trophies on it. 25 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,600 It gets more and more- 26 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,440 Like trophies on trophies on trophies. 27 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:05,440 Has been a pillar in the Eindhoven urban community for almost 20 years, bro. 28 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,920 Almost 20, man. 29 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:07,920 Almost 20. 30 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:08,920 Yeah. 31 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:09,920 Time flies. 32 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:10,920 It's crazy. 33 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:12,920 Welcome to the show, Sandiford. 34 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:14,360 Thank you for having me, bro. 35 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,760 So introduce yourself. 36 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,440 Let the people know who you are, where you're from. 37 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,520 Yeah, just run us through some of those early talks, early begins. 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,200 So my name is Sandi Provasia. 39 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:39,440 I'm originally from Curaçao and I've been here in Holland now for almost 22 years. 40 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:54,680 I came here in 1999 to do my study and I did business informatics at Fonty's Hogescholen 41 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:00,440 and I finished that and then after that I started doing what I was passionate about 42 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,360 and that was dancing. 43 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:11,400 I tried to find a formula to make that my job, my work and that's what I'm doing now 44 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,000 for 16 years already. 45 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,200 Awesome, man. 46 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,760 Awesome, awesome. 47 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:29,240 So Sandi, we like to speak to persons that have done amazing things but with roots in 48 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,960 the Caribbean because we know that there's a lot of young guys and girls out there today 49 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:43,040 that have these big dreams and aspirations but when they're living on the small island, 50 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,520 it sometimes feels like those dreams are too far-fetched, too far away. 51 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:55,000 You just highlighted the fact that you started with business informatics, so business information 52 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:06,120 technology but you didn't decide to pursue a career in that. 53 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,240 What sort of happened with that decision? 54 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:14,920 Why then choose for business information technology and then why make the switch immediately after 55 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,280 you completed your study to follow your dream? 56 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:28,160 So the thing is, I think I speak for a lot of kids and young people from the island. 57 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:35,960 So the thing is when you come in from the island, most of the time your parents tell 58 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:46,240 you that it's impossible or difficult to make a living doing dance or other creative stuff 59 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,800 to support your family. 60 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:59,720 So what I did is I had a really strict parenting and they told me all the time that the most 61 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,800 important thing to do is school. 62 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,560 You got to finish your school because that's the only way that you can support yourself 63 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,320 and your family in the future. 64 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,320 Sounds familiar. 65 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Yeah, yeah. 66 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,480 That was the only way. 67 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:25,000 But once you go abroad and then you move to a bigger world, you see more opportunities. 68 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,160 So I started doing my study, what I came to do. 69 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,820 And then while doing that, I was dancing also in the weekends. 70 00:05:34,820 --> 00:05:43,920 So by doing that, I was building a network also through dancing. 71 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:52,480 And then because I was busy with my business informatics study, I was looking, I was searching 72 00:05:52,480 --> 00:06:04,440 for a way to use my dance and then trying to make it as a job so I can live from. 73 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:14,720 And then so that's when I finished my degree and oh wow. 74 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,640 This is no worries, man. 75 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:22,640 So when you finish your degree in business information technology, let's say business 76 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,640 IT. 77 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:24,640 Okay, business IT. 78 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,640 Yeah. 79 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:34,400 So when I finished that, I remember I was sitting down in my room. 80 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,240 And I had one question that I asked myself. 81 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:48,520 And that's the first time that I really chose to really listen what my insight was telling 82 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,520 me, like my feeling. 83 00:06:50,520 --> 00:07:00,880 And I asked myself, am I able to start now from nine till five working behind a desk, 84 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:07,600 doing programming or all of the stuff that I've learned through the years? 85 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:16,440 Or am I going to take a risk and start a dance studio or whatever with dancing? 86 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Because that was my passion. 87 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:27,360 And once I asked myself that, it was pretty clear for me that the answer was go do dance. 88 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,840 It doesn't matter. 89 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Like you don't have to know how, just start. 90 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,480 Just start. 91 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,480 Yeah. 92 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,760 And that's what I did. 93 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:46,320 So I choose to take the risk to try to do something with dance. 94 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,120 As the great Steve Harvey would say, you jumped. 95 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:58,000 Yeah, I jumped off the cliff and you didn't know how you were going to be able to fly. 96 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,720 But somehow on the way down, you figured out how to fly, how to glide. 97 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Exactly. 98 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:05,720 Yeah. 99 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,520 I could imagine that was a pretty scary moment. 100 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,080 But you know what's funny about that? 101 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,400 It was scary. 102 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,800 And at the same time, it was liberating. 103 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Yeah. 104 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:21,760 Yeah. 105 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:32,880 And it's like you felt a force pushing you, guiding you through the difficult times also. 106 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:47,200 Because as a young entrepreneur at that time, trying to make things happen as an Antillion 107 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:53,000 here in Holland, it wasn't easy. 108 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,040 But like I told you, the force, I was feeling the force. 109 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,040 Yeah. 110 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:04,440 So there was a hand of God guiding Mr. Provas. 111 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,440 Yes, yes, yes. 112 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,520 Oh, for sure, man. 113 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,080 For sure. 114 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:20,240 And this is something that I can obviously also relate to coming from a Caribbean home 115 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:26,360 where academics is always pushed more. 116 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:32,320 I would say for me personally, it was maybe a little bit less from my parents. 117 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,940 Well, my mom and dad are divorced and then it was a bit less from my mom in the sense 118 00:09:36,940 --> 00:09:40,520 of pushing me in a particular direction. 119 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,080 But it was always pushed that go and get your degree. 120 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,480 And I have six sisters. 121 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,760 Five of them are older than me. 122 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,840 So basically all five older ones were also pushing. 123 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,860 So that's like six moms pushing, get that degree. 124 00:09:57,860 --> 00:10:03,700 But there were many times that I also was thinking like, yeah, is this really it? 125 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:07,680 So I can imagine what that type of decision felt like. 126 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:12,240 So how did the parents respond when you decided? 127 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,680 Because I can also imagine it conversation being something like I completed the business 128 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:19,480 IT, so I have the degree. 129 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,480 Yes. 130 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,480 So if anything. 131 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,480 Yes. 132 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:32,000 So when I finished my study, it was a relief moment for me before I took the decision to 133 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,560 do the dance studio. 134 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:37,620 And they were really, really happy. 135 00:10:37,620 --> 00:10:48,080 But still, once I told them that I'm going to start the dance studio, they couldn't comprehend 136 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:53,360 like the possibility that you can really make this a business. 137 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:54,360 Yeah. 138 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,520 In the sense they didn't understand because there was no one doing that in Curaçao on 139 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,720 this level that I'm doing right now. 140 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,960 So you can blame them. 141 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,440 They haven't seen it. 142 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:09,440 Yeah. 143 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:10,440 It's all about perspective. 144 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,440 Exactly. 145 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,000 So that was never in their field of view. 146 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,840 It was never part of their perspective to see. 147 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:25,560 And then it's a difficult thing for us as humans to just try and imagine what it could 148 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:32,640 be and sort of trust that you've raised this great son that can go out there and do the 149 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,720 things that he says he's going to do. 150 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,720 Yeah, exactly. 151 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:36,720 Exactly. 152 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:47,640 And so I had in 2000, let me think, 2013 it was? 153 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,640 13? 154 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:49,640 Yeah. 155 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,360 I had a theater show. 156 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:58,960 So once a year, we organized a theater show where the kids can show parents and family 157 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:04,600 members what they've learned through the year, the season. 158 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:10,520 So I had a theater show and at the end I was thanking everybody. 159 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,280 Everybody was on stage, all the kids behind me. 160 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:22,240 And all of a sudden I turned to my left hand and I saw my mom and my dad. 161 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,320 So they came to the show just to surprise me. 162 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,320 They arranged everything. 163 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,880 And just for the folks, mom and dad lives in Curaçao. 164 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:32,880 Yes. 165 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,800 So they traveled like 7, 8,000 miles or kilometers, whatever it is. 166 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,720 To come look at the show. 167 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,400 So they came on stage. 168 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:51,880 John, at that moment, I started crying and I couldn't stop. 169 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,080 I think I've seen footage of this, right? 170 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,080 Yeah. 171 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:03,600 I started crying because it was the kid inside me screaming to my mom and my dad, like, this 172 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,560 is what I was telling you guys about. 173 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:16,840 It was really, really strange also for a kid to really know what he wants to do at that 174 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,240 age already. 175 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,040 And then going through all the- 176 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,040 The trials and tribulations. 177 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,720 Yes, and the no-sayers, you know? 178 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,640 And that moment, everything came out. 179 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:31,640 Yeah. 180 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:32,640 Damn. 181 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:33,640 Yeah. 182 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:34,640 2013. 183 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,800 So that's now almost 10 years ago. 184 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:38,800 10 years, bro. 185 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:39,800 10 years. 186 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,640 And we still going strong. 187 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:56,960 And still I do have the feeling that I've just reached like maybe 30, 40% of my capability. 188 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,840 I have a lot more to give. 189 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:59,840 A lot more. 190 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,040 So there's some stuff that needs to be unlocked. 191 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,040 Yep. 192 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,040 Yep. 193 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,040 Still. 194 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,040 It's everything, every day learning and growing. 195 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,040 Yeah. 196 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,040 That's what it is. 197 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:17,040 So growing up in Curaçao, right? 198 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Yeah. 199 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,040 Tell me some of the things that shaped your childhood. 200 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,520 Maybe some of those key moments, like you said from a young child, you already knew 201 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,880 you wanted to do something with dance. 202 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:35,160 So what is the earliest memory of that already clicking? 203 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:42,480 I think that came also a lot from my parents because like my first dance I had with my 204 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,800 mom. 205 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,840 So my mom taught me how to dance salsa at that time. 206 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,880 And my dad was a musician. 207 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,440 Oh, I didn't know that. 208 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,520 And what did he play? 209 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:00,520 Guitar. 210 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,520 Okay. 211 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,520 Yeah. 212 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:10,160 And when he met my mom and they started a family together, he needed to stop doing his 213 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,160 music thing. 214 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,160 And he went to go study and be a teacher. 215 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,200 And then after that, he became a principal for 35 years. 216 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,000 Sandy, you see how you're unlocking the gems? 217 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Yeah. 218 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,640 Because dad had to let the dream go. 219 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,880 So boy, how do you think you can just pick up this dream? 220 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:31,880 Exactly. 221 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:38,480 So that's why he was telling me through his experience. 222 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:39,480 Yeah. 223 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,960 That was the only way. 224 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:49,880 Go study and make sure that you can provide for your family. 225 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,200 Yeah man. 226 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:59,400 So some of those early memories of salsa dancing with mom, did dad sometimes play guitar at 227 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,400 home? 228 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:01,400 No, no, no. 229 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,840 He just really let it all go. 230 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:03,840 Yeah. 231 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,840 He stopped already, but he was playing music all the time. 232 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,840 Okay. 233 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:15,360 So every Sunday they were cleaning the house and you hear salsa music all the time, Maringue. 234 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,280 So we had a lot of music around me. 235 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,840 I had a lot of music around me. 236 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:33,480 And now he's pensioned now and like 10 years ago, he started playing again with his guys 237 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,080 from back then. 238 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:41,560 So 10 years ago, 2013, after he saw his son made it. 239 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,040 He started again with his passion. 240 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,040 He picked back up the dream. 241 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,040 Yeah. 242 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,040 Yeah. 243 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,040 Yeah. 244 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,040 True story. 245 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,040 Full circle. 246 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,040 Yeah. 247 00:16:52,040 --> 00:17:04,240 And that was also like what I would like to tell parents is also really important to sometimes 248 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:10,200 listen, listen to what your kid is telling you. 249 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:19,160 And also when, I understand that you got a guide because you have experience in life 250 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:27,880 and you're trying to teach your kid what you have accumulated, the experience that you 251 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,440 have accumulated. 252 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,520 And guidance is different than rules. 253 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:34,520 Yes. 254 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:35,520 Yes. 255 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,280 Like this is the way, like that's the rule. 256 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,280 Exactly. 257 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:46,200 Guidance is like, okay, this is the suggestion, go in this way, but it's still up to you to 258 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,480 make a different decision and I support you either way. 259 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:50,480 Yeah. 260 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:56,840 So basically what I'm trying to say is give the kid also room to develop what he's passionate 261 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:07,520 about because once I did this, let me tell you, I do have a feeling that anything is 262 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,440 possible. 263 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:15,920 It sounds cliche, but I really believe that anything is possible. 264 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:16,920 Yeah. 265 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:26,400 And that's why I'm telling you, like, I feel like I've done 30% of what I can still. 266 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,400 Yeah. 267 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:28,400 I still have to learn. 268 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,840 I still have more inside of me. 269 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:32,840 Yeah. 270 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,200 Awesome, man. 271 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:44,200 So coming back to this 16, 17 year journey with flexing, could you maybe run us through 272 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:56,840 some of the highlights, some of those moments that, yeah, some of the biggest moments? 273 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:05,880 So in 2005, I started with a small group of guys. 274 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,280 Our name was Flexing Squad. 275 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:18,720 And I was dancing every weekend in the biggest clubs in Holland. 276 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,640 And one of the DJs, they saw what I was doing and he liked it. 277 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:31,400 And he asked me if I'm down to get a group of guys and then make a show. 278 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,800 And that was a pre-show of Missy Elliott. 279 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,160 Oh, wow. 280 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,720 So I did pre-show of Missy Elliott. 281 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,260 That was my first big gig. 282 00:19:42,260 --> 00:19:48,000 And then after that, it was really, really, really good. 283 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,000 Yeah. 284 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,560 And then after that came a lot more artists and opportunities that we have done. 285 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,640 So maybe name some of those artists. 286 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:02,760 So I did a pre-show of Missy Elliott, Buster Rhymes. 287 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,400 I did Chris Brown, Lumie D. 288 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,320 Like super early days Chris Brown. 289 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,320 Yeah. 290 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,320 Yeah. 291 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,320 Yeah. 292 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Cascada. 293 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,600 We did Donald Jones also. 294 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,200 So I worked with a lot of artists from abroad. 295 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,320 And then also Langa Frans Bas Bé. 296 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,400 Those are some of the Dutch classics. 297 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,680 Yeah. 298 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:37,880 So those were the highlights and of course opening of the dance studio. 299 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:38,880 You know? 300 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,840 So in what year did you open the dance studio? 301 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,320 It was in 2006. 302 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,280 We opened our first studio. 303 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,720 It was an old Philips, how do you say that? 304 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,720 A building? 305 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,720 Oh, a meeting room. 306 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Yeah. 307 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:02,040 It was an old Philips meeting room. 308 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:08,640 So Trudeau was looking for creative people to fill the clock ball. 309 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,640 Clock ball is like a many, many, what do you? 310 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,440 Yeah, the clock building. 311 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:23,920 So maybe to give a little bit of background story context is, so we're both located here 312 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,920 on Stripes. 313 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,920 Yeah. 314 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:32,800 And it used to be called the Forbidden City. 315 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:40,280 So all of the buildings that were here before we moved in were from Philips because the 316 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,840 whole area was from Philips. 317 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:42,840 From Philips, yeah. 318 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:49,120 And that particular area is where a lot of things were invented such as the DVD, the 319 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,120 CD. 320 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:54,640 Yeah, certain technologies around lighting. 321 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,200 I believe also the flat screen TVs that they were some of the first with it in combination 322 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,720 with the ambi lights. 323 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,320 They were some of the first to do like a real flat screen. 324 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,320 But a lot of lights. 325 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,320 Yeah. 326 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,320 They did a lot of lights. 327 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,240 So Philips did a ton of inventions here. 328 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,400 The reason why it was called the Forbidden City is because there were many patents that 329 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,400 were filed here. 330 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:20,520 So a lot of like cutting edge technology, the stuff that we have in our devices today, 331 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,560 probably a lot of that was invented 20, 30, 40 years ago. 332 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,560 In Eindhoven. 333 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:25,600 Right here in Eindhoven. 334 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:32,080 So those you couldn't go in and out without getting your complete car inspected, needed 335 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,400 a badge to get in, your bags were inspected, et cetera, to make sure that you weren't stealing 336 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,800 any intellectual property. 337 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:49,520 And Trudeau, which is the housing corporation, they were one of the first, along with two 338 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:55,680 others, that started to redevelop this region and then they brought in a lot of creatives 339 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:02,720 and gave a lot of creatives housing space to bring energy to the environment. 340 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,720 So that's. 341 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,720 Yeah. 342 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,720 Yeah. 343 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:13,560 So after the show, after the show, the Missy Elliott show, I took the, I made the decision 344 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:21,840 to go to Trudeau because they were looking for creative people to fill in the clock about. 345 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:28,820 So I gave a presentation and I told them like, just give me a chance to start my dance to 346 00:23:28,820 --> 00:23:31,740 you here in the clock about. 347 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:37,920 So they gave me an old, they gave me the chance in an old. 348 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,920 A meeting room. 349 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,420 Meeting room. 350 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:48,120 So I remember that that was the last year of my study. 351 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:51,080 I wasn't finished yet. 352 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:59,000 And that year we get money from Stichting and Curacao. 353 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Yeah. 354 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,080 And. 355 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:13,000 So that's the foundation from Curacao that provided student loans to students from their 356 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000 islands. 357 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000 Yeah. 358 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,160 So I remember the last year I took the. 359 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,160 You get money. 360 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,160 So that money was supposed. 361 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,960 Yeah, go ahead. 362 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,000 So you got money to buy books and stuff like that. 363 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:36,640 So I took that and I bought a floor and mirrors for the meeting room. 364 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,440 You took your school book money. 365 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,440 Yes. 366 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,440 Yes. 367 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,440 That's what I did. 368 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,880 And I started the studio, bro. 369 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,480 And I grew in three years. 370 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,800 It was, I was too big to stay on the backside of the clock about. 371 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:59,360 So Trudeau invited me to sit down and tell me like, bro, you, you, you, you, Sandy, no, 372 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:00,360 bro. 373 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:07,040 Sandy, Sandy, you causing too much traffic here at the clock about too much kids. 374 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,180 Let's go to the front side of the clock about. 375 00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:17,480 And then we got, we're going to make a dance studio for you with two spaces. 376 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,720 I had my own bar and, and, and launch area and everything. 377 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,080 So in 2010 we opened. 378 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,200 So who did you have those conversations with back then? 379 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,960 There was, what's his name? 380 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,800 He was, he's not working at Trudeau anymore. 381 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,800 Okay. 382 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,600 Oh, that doesn't matter. 383 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,600 I don't remember. 384 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,160 But you had some of these convos with Tom as well. 385 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,160 Tom. 386 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,160 Yeah. 387 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,480 But this guy was, was above Tom. 388 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,480 Okay. 389 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,440 Tom Olsons. 390 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,240 But what's his name? 391 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,960 Willie the Groot. 392 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,400 You remember Willie the Groot? 393 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,400 I think so. 394 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,000 But this might also be a bit before my time. 395 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,240 I joined the Trudeau squad years later. 396 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,240 Yeah. 397 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:10,360 So Willie the Groot, I was talking with Willie the Groot and so he made it happen for me. 398 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,360 Nice. 399 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:12,360 You know? 400 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,360 Yeah, man. 401 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:24,960 So in 2010 we opened the second studio of Lexan that's on the front side of, of Clock 402 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,960 Rebell. 403 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,520 And now after Corona we moved to Area 51. 404 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:40,440 There and the reason why we moved, I think the style that we do in the studio fits better 405 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,520 in this whole environment. 406 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,520 Yeah. 407 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:50,040 Because it's an area you have skating, BMX, you can do tricking and everything. 408 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,680 So all the urban sports. 409 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,680 Yeah. 410 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,880 And that's why I think Flexin did really good by moving to that building. 411 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,880 Yeah. 412 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,120 Also on Strapass. 413 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:04,480 And to add to that, like the Clock Rebell, obviously a lot of things transformed since 414 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,880 you first came here. 415 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,400 You were maybe one of the first few renters in the Clock Rebell. 416 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,920 And today there's tons of businesses. 417 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,680 The whole region is super vibrant. 418 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,680 True. 419 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:25,880 At least I think since I started here on Strapass in 2011, so that's like 12 years ago already. 420 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,060 I think there's been at least 20 to 30 new buildings that went up since then. 421 00:27:31,060 --> 00:27:34,780 So it's been a crazy development out here. 422 00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:39,320 But add into that, in Area, there's a lot of traffic of young kids. 423 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,400 So it's sort of young and old kids. 424 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,080 So it fits perfectly with the dance school environment. 425 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,080 Exactly. 426 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,080 Yeah. 427 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,520 So that's why I'm telling you. 428 00:27:53,520 --> 00:28:06,200 It was also a pretty scary step to take because from 2010 till I was there, 10 years. 429 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,240 More than 10. 430 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,520 More than 10 because Corona was 2020, 2021. 431 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,240 So we were there like 11, 12 years. 432 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,240 It was scary. 433 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:25,640 But at the end, what I have right now is a bigger network also working together with 434 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,720 other organizations in urban scene. 435 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:38,520 And that's why I think that what you have seen from Flexin, it's still 30, 40%. 436 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,520 It's coming. 437 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,520 It's coming. 438 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:41,520 We're looking forward. 439 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,520 We're looking forward. 440 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,520 Yeah. 441 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,520 All right. 442 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,920 I'm going to pop open one more of these questions here. 443 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,720 We're on this late night vibe, right? 444 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,680 That's why we like keeping it smooth right now on this late night vibe, drinking the 445 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,760 coffee to keep awake here. 446 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:12,040 So Sandy, earlier you mentioned as an Antillion, there was maybe certain challenges that you 447 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:17,880 felt that you faced building and setting up something like this. 448 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:25,360 What would you say were some of the biggest challenges and how did you overcome them? 449 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:31,280 Okay, so first of all is the language. 450 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,080 First of all is the language. 451 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,720 So maybe just to explain to folks like... 452 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,720 Because my mother tongue is Papiamento. 453 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:47,360 So get him some Papiamento for anyone that's logging in and doesn't know what the Papiamento 454 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,360 sounds like. 455 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,360 Get him some Papiamento. 456 00:29:49,360 --> 00:30:01,560 That's what I said just now for everybody watching this show, this is the show you got 457 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,560 to watch. 458 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:13,480 So the first challenge was language. 459 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:21,360 Once you come here, you come from the island, every day you speak Papiamento and then all 460 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,240 of a sudden you got to speak Dutch. 461 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,760 That's one thing. 462 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:40,680 Besides that, we don't get enough knowledge how to go about money. 463 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:49,560 So as a student, you're going to have a lot of challenges dealing with money. 464 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:57,720 If you didn't have that in your household, in your home environment, that's going to 465 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,720 be a challenge. 466 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,920 So I learned the hard way and I'm still learning. 467 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:10,040 I learned the hard way how to deal with that and overcome everything that can go wrong. 468 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:16,600 So those two things were the biggest challenges for me. 469 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:24,400 Because also in the business world, you got to be fluent with how you speak and you know 470 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,440 what I mean? 471 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,020 And also you got to know how to deal with money. 472 00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:30,020 It's a very big deal. 473 00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:35,240 It's something that we aren't really properly taught or prepared for. 474 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:43,080 Unless you get it fully from your own household, you won't be fully ready to deal with all 475 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:51,200 that you have to deal with once you move to a different country. 476 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,520 And I think especially coming to the Netherlands is a little bit tricky because I've also heard 477 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:01,560 different stories from people I know that moved to the States. 478 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,880 So you have different struggles over there. 479 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,120 So the struggles you would have over there is the fact that you don't have a green card, 480 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,020 so you're not officially allowed to work, etc. 481 00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:14,760 So then you really have to budget your money. 482 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,160 And as soon as the time is up, you're back. 483 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,160 You got to go. 484 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,160 You got to go. 485 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,160 You got to leave. 486 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,940 And then we don't have that here, which is a bit of the gift and the curse. 487 00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:31,840 So because we don't have that, we also have rights to everything that anyone has that 488 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,600 was born and raised in the Netherlands. 489 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:40,040 But then we didn't get the financial literacy and background of what it is to deal with 490 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,160 those opportunities. 491 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:49,680 So now, yeah, we remember many kids going out and getting two or three, well, in Dutch 492 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:56,560 they call it telephone abonnements, so like memberships for telephone plans. 493 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,400 And would get themselves into big troubles, big debts, etc. 494 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,280 So there's all kinds of stuff that you can get on layaway, quote unquote, layaway, and 495 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:11,080 you could end up in all types of problems with that. 496 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,680 So it's something that's very key and vital that has to be pushed, promoted, and taught 497 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,840 more to students. 498 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:26,200 And I would say we shouldn't be starting in the year that they're going away to study. 499 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,240 That should start basically when they start high school, at least. 500 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,760 Preferably before high school, but at least when they start high school, there should 501 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:40,140 be some type of extracurricular type of activities that's really teaching the basics of financial 502 00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:44,600 literacy and getting kids more prepared to live on their own. 503 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,120 Oh yeah, the other point I wanted to make there is if we compare ourselves to many kids 504 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:56,840 that were born and raised in the Netherlands, for them it's home. 505 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:04,840 So even if they leave, let's say they were born in Eindhoven and then they leave and 506 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:12,440 they go to Amsterdam to study, going back to mom and dad is a train ride away. 507 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,960 Getting your clothes washed there or whatever is a train ride away. 508 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,480 And yeah, most of us don't have that luxury when we're up here. 509 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,080 We're just completely on our own from 18 years old and making all of the adult decisions 510 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,560 without that whole financial literacy background. 511 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,760 That's why I want to say this. 512 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:45,840 Every kid coming from the island doing something good or you're studying or you're trying to 513 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:54,920 make it with a business or everything, be proud of yourself because coming from the 514 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,120 island we got to face a lot of challenges. 515 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:07,360 It's not being talked about a lot, enough I think, but we just do it because it's like 516 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:15,720 we are accustomed to overcome challenges to reach where we got to reach. 517 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:24,640 But sometimes you got to stand still and really evaluate how much you have overcome already. 518 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,400 How much you achieved already. 519 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,760 Already, you know. 520 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,320 And it's not being talked about enough, I think. 521 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:37,160 And I'm saying that also to myself. 522 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:49,920 So Sandy, if we were to go back in time now and how old you were? 523 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,400 19 when you came here? 524 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,400 19. 525 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,360 So let's say we go back all the way to the 18 year old Sandy. 526 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:05,280 What advice would you give the 18 year old Sandy with the knowledge that you have today? 527 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,360 Okay. 528 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:19,280 I still, I would tell him to still finish his study, school, finish that. 529 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:36,880 But start investing, save, just be more conscious about how you go about money. 530 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:45,320 Because if I've done that, my impact would be way bigger now. 531 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,160 And the possibilities. 532 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,280 That's the most important lesson I'll tell him. 533 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,440 Because I know the other things he would. 534 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,840 He's not gonna listen to anything else. 535 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,600 What you're saying Papi Mento then? 536 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:15,600 He's not gonna listen to anything else. 537 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,160 So listen is listen, right? 538 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,160 Yeah. 539 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:26,120 So the most important thing is for him to know how to go about this whole money thing. 540 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:32,280 So again, it comes back to what you were saying earlier as an Antillion start in a business 541 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,520 and progressing. 542 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,020 One of the biggest challenges you faced was the financial literacy part. 543 00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:43,360 And that's the part that you would want to go and tell 18 year old Sandy. 544 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:49,640 Because the drive that he has, he's going to make it either way. 545 00:37:49,640 --> 00:38:01,760 But if he have known better how to do this whole financial thing, would be better off. 546 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,760 All right. 547 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,000 Awesome. 548 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:11,400 So Sandy, someone that's starting out their journey today. 549 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,960 Let's say they're hailing from the islands and they want to pursue something more creative, 550 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,800 whether it be dance, music, artistry, etc. 551 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,640 In today's world with your current knowledge and almost two decades of experience, what 552 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,420 advice would you give them? 553 00:38:28,420 --> 00:38:39,960 First of all, surround yourself with people that's positive and does believe in your dreams. 554 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:48,560 Try to get as much as possible people that are like-minded. 555 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,480 Because I think that helps a lot. 556 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:58,720 Also when you have challenges, so you can talk to them about things. 557 00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:59,960 That's one thing. 558 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:06,820 And really, really listen to the voice inside. 559 00:39:06,820 --> 00:39:09,720 It's there for a reason. 560 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,440 Your intuition really speaks volumes. 561 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:18,920 Really, really listen to it and trust. 562 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,800 Trust it. 563 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,440 I understand it's scary. 564 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:30,720 You're not going to know right away which steps you have to take. 565 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:32,960 Some steps you take might be mistakes. 566 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,960 Exactly. 567 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,520 But you learn from mistakes. 568 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,520 There's no mistakes. 569 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,560 There are only lessons. 570 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,000 That's what it is. 571 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,960 And just follow it. 572 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,960 Follow it. 573 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,320 Try to follow that. 574 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,320 That's it, John. 575 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,320 That's it. 576 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,320 That's it. 577 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,320 That's it. 578 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,320 Awesome. 579 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,320 Awesome. 580 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:03,760 So maybe coming back to some of those highlights, because you mentioned in 2005, there was 581 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:10,640 a sort of a stint where you and some guys, it was your squad and you guys did a lot of 582 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,880 opening shows for some big artists. 583 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:20,640 Then around 2006, you opened a dance school. 584 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,120 Then the dance school moved in 2010. 585 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,120 Now it moved again. 586 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,120 But between those 12 years... 587 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,120 Well, you were really listening, bro. 588 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,800 That's what I'm here for. 589 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:35,840 But in those 12 years, I know there was a couple more big highlights of things that 590 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,600 you accomplished with the dance school. 591 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,840 So you mentioned the theater shows. 592 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,640 Maybe give us a bit more context of that. 593 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,000 So how big are these theater shows? 594 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:55,680 So before we go to the theater shows, I started doing competitions also with the team. 595 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,080 And then we started winning left and right. 596 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,080 We did... 597 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,120 Yeah, that's all those goddamn trophies that you stumble upon when you walk into the dance 598 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,120 studio. 599 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,120 Yeah. 600 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,360 So we did a lot of competition. 601 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,960 We were Dutch champions, European champions. 602 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:20,400 We did a lot of shows also and theater shows. 603 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:31,000 But I'm trying to think about maybe another moment that was really impactful. 604 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:42,680 So funny enough, I also recently interviewed Derek Kusmas of WAD photography, WOD photography. 605 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,560 I remember there was some type of WOD... 606 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,440 Okay, let me talk about that. 607 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,040 Was that not a highlight? 608 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,200 Yeah, that was really, really good. 609 00:41:54,200 --> 00:42:00,120 So in 2012, at that time I was married. 610 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,680 Now I'm divorced. 611 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,920 But in 2012, it was a little bit before that. 612 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,200 At that time I was thinking like, I would like to do something that's never been done 613 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,720 before here in Holland. 614 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:22,560 And I was talking to my at that time wife, I was telling her like, let's try to bring 615 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:32,920 a competition that was only in the States at that moment. 616 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,480 You know what it is? 617 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,200 She didn't want to do it because I was the one willing to take the risk. 618 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:44,680 I was pushing to take the risk, but she was more reserved about that. 619 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:55,720 So in 2012, that was the first time that we brought WOD to Holland, to Europe. 620 00:42:55,720 --> 00:43:02,800 And we did organize WOD at that time in six countries. 621 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:13,400 So I did Holland, Belgium, Germany, Italy, Spain and UK. 622 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:20,240 So I was flying around organizing events for dancers. 623 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:29,400 And it was really, it was a nice moment when I got interviewed by the German television 624 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,880 about the event. 625 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,200 So that was also a highlight. 626 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,200 You were right. 627 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,200 You were right. 628 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,200 Yeah. 629 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,720 So yeah, WOD was a really big one. 630 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:48,880 And then in 2016, we parted. 631 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:57,760 And then I stayed with the dance studio and she took the events. 632 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:03,280 But now I'm working also on my own events coming. 633 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,080 I'm going to start. 634 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,600 You want to tell us a bit about that? 635 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,600 Yeah. 636 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,320 So this event is called X Jam. 637 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,200 So basically it's the same thing. 638 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,280 It's not a competition, but it's more a place where... 639 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,280 A showcase. 640 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,280 Yeah, showcase. 641 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,040 It's more a place where dancers can come together. 642 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:35,560 And it's a platform where choreographers can get a chance to show what they can create. 643 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,480 And it's not about who's better than the other one. 644 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,760 It's about sharing the passion at that moment. 645 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:49,500 So it's going to be a day where dancers can come together and enjoy the fact that we can 646 00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:54,280 be together dancing and enjoy sharing. 647 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,200 It's more like a network place for dancers. 648 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,600 That's what I'm working on now. 649 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:07,280 And the first edition of that is going to be on the 5th of May coming. 650 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:15,100 And then I'm working together with Emoves and Area 51. 651 00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:18,440 So it's going to be a big, big, big event. 652 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,440 Nice man. 653 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,440 Nice. 654 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,440 Congrats. 655 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,440 I'm coming back. 656 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,440 Coming back. 657 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,440 Coming back. 658 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,440 I'm telling you. 659 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,440 So we're bringing that 30 to like 40, 45. 660 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,440 Yeah. 661 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,440 And we're keeping it moving. 662 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,440 Yep. 663 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,440 Upwards. 664 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,440 Awesome. 665 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:40,840 So I haven't fully integrated this as yet, but coming back to that financial topics, 666 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,840 right? 667 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,840 Yep. 668 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,600 So as maybe some of you know, some don't know as yet, but I've been working also in the 669 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:54,120 background on creating a financial literacy course called the Six Ings. 670 00:45:54,120 --> 00:46:02,400 And without getting into too much details, we have three boxes up top. 671 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,760 The first one is for earnings. 672 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,420 Second is for savings. 673 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:08,380 And the third is for investing. 674 00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:16,000 So if we're looking now at your current situation and you don't have to go into details and 675 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,600 numbers, et cetera, but just maybe just highlight. 676 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:25,840 So on the earnings side, your primary income sources comes from the dance school. 677 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:32,920 And besides that, you also have a few other ventures that you dabble into company wise. 678 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,920 Yeah. 679 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,520 Events, stuff like that. 680 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:42,480 So essentially the main income sources comes from your company slash companies. 681 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,480 Yes. 682 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,480 Right. 683 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:51,040 And then over on the savings side, well, we won't get into those details right now. 684 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,480 But then when we jump over to the invest inside. 685 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:59,040 So on the invest inside, I like to mention that we should, and this was advice that I 686 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:05,360 once upon a time got from one of Tony Robbins, Tony Robbins' books. 687 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,600 You should have these three parts. 688 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:16,900 One part where you have low risk investments, another part where you have medium risk investments, 689 00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:21,560 and then a third part where you have high risk investments. 690 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,080 And there should be a healthy balance between those three. 691 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:33,560 So low risk being things more like government bonds, et cetera, like those investments wouldn't 692 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,520 go to zero unless the complete country falls. 693 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:42,920 I mean, in 2023, since 2020, we're living in some strange times again. 694 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,680 Who knows? 695 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:53,220 But historically, at least these things would be pretty solid for a lifetime. 696 00:47:53,220 --> 00:47:59,800 And then the medium investments could be some like real estate, could be like index funds, 697 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,360 ETFs. 698 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:07,880 Also index funds, for instance, one of the most popular ones is the S&P 500, the S&P 699 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:13,200 500, which holds the 500 top companies in the United States. 700 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,520 Here in Europe, we also have a couple of those. 701 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,000 I believe there's a European one in general. 702 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,240 We have one. 703 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:22,680 And in the Netherlands, we have it's called the AEX. 704 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,000 So I just did the letters in Dutch. 705 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,080 And in English, that would be the AEX. 706 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,520 I wanted to say X again. 707 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,920 AEX. 708 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,440 So that's the Amsterdam exchange, I believe. 709 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,440 I don't know. 710 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,200 If I'm wrong, hey, correct me in the comments. 711 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,800 Then I learned something as well. 712 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,400 And I think that has like the top 30 or top 40 companies. 713 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,400 It's 30, right? 714 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,400 Yeah. 715 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,360 So the top 30 companies in the Netherlands. 716 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,160 So that would be like the index fund really for the Netherlands. 717 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,120 So those are more medium risk. 718 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:06,160 So essentially, and each layer of risk that you go up, there's a higher potential of losing 719 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,640 your money, but there's also a higher potential of making more money. 720 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:17,640 So the ROI, the return on investment is a lot larger in those categories. 721 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:23,120 And then when we move up to the high risk category, and maybe some might even say, well, 722 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,840 there's high risk and then there's high, high risk or there's like astronomical risk. 723 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:34,960 But high risk would then be also typically investing in individual stocks. 724 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:42,840 So you might, persons might invest in Apple or invest in Nike or Microsoft or Google, 725 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,200 Amazon, Tesla, et cetera. 726 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,960 And obviously in the past, what is it? 727 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,720 14, 15 years, 13 years. 728 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,960 There's also been a new category in crypto. 729 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,280 Crypto, crypto, crypto, crypto. 730 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:06,360 So when we look at low risk, medium risk, high risk, is there anything that you would 731 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,760 consider on your investment portfolio that's now in low risk? 732 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,760 Not yet. 733 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:20,480 That could also be anything that's maybe geared more towards a basic pension fund or something 734 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,960 that could also sort of fall into that. 735 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:29,080 I'm doing right now, I'm doing, I don't know how you call that in English. 736 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,080 So just say it in Dutch. 737 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:39,680 So that you put something apart monthly and then you can't touch it anymore until 65. 738 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,680 So saving money. 739 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,680 Yeah, yeah. 740 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,680 Okay. 741 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,680 So that's what I'm doing. 742 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,480 So it's like a closed, closed slash fixed deposit. 743 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,480 Yeah. 744 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,480 So every month. 745 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,080 So you can't touch it till, yeah, that's what I'm doing. 746 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,880 And that's being done via the bank? 747 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,880 Yeah. 748 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:57,880 That's set up with a bank? 749 00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:58,880 Yeah. 750 00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,880 Yeah. 751 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:00,880 Then it goes directly. 752 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:01,880 Which bank is it? 753 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:02,880 Rabo. 754 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,880 With Rabo. 755 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:04,880 Okay. 756 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,480 Yeah, it might be what I just mentioned, the bank spare. 757 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,440 It's more or less what they call that. 758 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:18,440 And that's fixed to be part of, in Dutch they say, anvillade en pentoen. 759 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:25,360 So that would be, shit, what the hell is anvillade in English? 760 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,600 It's basically add into your pension, to your overall pension. 761 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:29,600 Yeah. 762 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:30,600 Okay. 763 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:31,600 Yeah. 764 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,720 So there's some type of fixed closed deposit savings that, well, maybe those in the States 765 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:40,000 might call it a 401k or a Roth IRA. 766 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,200 I think 401k. 767 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:46,440 But we don't really have those type of setups here in the Netherlands. 768 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,600 Okay. 769 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,400 So that's in low risk. 770 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,320 Anything in medium? 771 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,320 Not yet. 772 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,320 Okay. 773 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,320 Yeah. 774 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,080 But I'm searching and I'm... 775 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:06,720 Well, at some point you would consider, because when you guys were married and lived together, 776 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,560 you did purchase a house back then. 777 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:09,560 Yeah, we did. 778 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:10,560 We did. 779 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,640 So that would have been one of the elements, the real estate element would have been in 780 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,040 the medium risk category. 781 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,040 Yeah. 782 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,400 So we're working on getting that back. 783 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,400 And then on the high risk? 784 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,400 Yes. 785 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,400 Yes. 786 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,400 I'm guilty. 787 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:26,400 Guilty. 788 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,400 Yes. 789 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,400 No risk, no reward, son. 790 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,400 Let's get it. 791 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,400 Let's get it. 792 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,400 Yeah. 793 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,400 Yeah. 794 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:46,800 So I've been since 2017, I've been researching crypto. 795 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:54,200 And like you said, it is a high risk investing. 796 00:52:54,200 --> 00:53:03,920 But I think if you do your research, you're gonna see some project that's going to be 797 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:13,560 really important in the new financial system that's coming. 798 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,160 So do your research. 799 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,880 We're not financial advisors. 800 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,200 Please do your own research. 801 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:28,200 But there's particular projects that are going to be very important for the new financial 802 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,200 system. 803 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,200 Very, very important. 804 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,820 Do your own research, invest at your own risk. 805 00:53:33,820 --> 00:53:40,560 So in the six inks dynamic, it falls into the high risk category, but high risk also 806 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,640 can have high rewards. 807 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:48,360 It can go to zero or it can go to 10,000, 100,000, a million or more. 808 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,360 Yeah. 809 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,360 Yeah. 810 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,360 Yeah. 811 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:52,360 Okay. 812 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,360 Awesome. 813 00:53:53,360 --> 00:54:01,000 So again, that whole financial literacy thing is something that I understand plays has played 814 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,480 a big role in your journey. 815 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,640 And it starts to like level up now in playing an even bigger role. 816 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:10,640 Yes. 817 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:19,480 And the thing is that I understand now that it sounds strange, but for me, this is becoming 818 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,680 my foundation. 819 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,760 Yeah. 820 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:36,080 You know, and it's backwards because I was building a house on an unstable foundation. 821 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,080 And now I'm... 822 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,080 That's deep. 823 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:46,120 I'm understanding how to fix my foundation first. 824 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:51,600 It's going to take time and it's going to take patience, which I don't have all the 825 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,600 time, but... 826 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,600 That's a lot of our conversations, right? 827 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,040 So that's patience and papimento. 828 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,920 Bro, the most important thing also, patience. 829 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,520 You get the patience, you get the rewards. 830 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,240 Do the patience first. 831 00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:18,880 And I think that's like a huge key lesson also for others hailing from the Caribbean 832 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:25,480 and whether they still live in there and going through their daily lives. 833 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,920 I'm more talking to the youngsters. 834 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,880 I mean, it's also for the older heads as well. 835 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,280 And nowadays I can't even say older head as much anymore because look at all the damn 836 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,400 gray in my beard. 837 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,800 Like this light here is just shining all the grays on my head. 838 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,400 So I am becoming one of the older heads now. 839 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,000 I still feel young in spirit, man. 840 00:55:48,000 --> 00:56:00,040 But yeah, let's say the 20, 30 year olds is understanding like really that fundamental 841 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:07,760 basic financial literacy and building a solid foundation there that you can then build everything 842 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:14,800 else upon and understanding and knowing how to set your priorities properly. 843 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,320 Because oftentimes and not, we actually do have access to a lot more than we think we 844 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:25,880 have, but it's because priorities are misdirected by whatever that pops up on this. 845 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,880 Exactly. 846 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,880 Before it used to be the television, we would be locked into BET all day long. 847 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:36,760 But now we just got this TikTok drug here. 848 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:45,240 So is there anything else that you would like to share that you feel might be only someone 849 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:53,760 from your perspective and your point of view could share to this Caribbean audience? 850 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:59,480 Yes, believe in yourself. 851 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,280 Believe in yourself and listen to that inner voice. 852 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,800 Listen to it. 853 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:12,200 Because for me, that's the way I live my life. 854 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:27,000 And when I don't listen, you get more challenges, you get friction. 855 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:35,800 And this is something like being around you, I'm telling something about you, being around 856 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:44,320 you and seeing how you do things and how you tell me all the time, you got to have patience, 857 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,440 you got to have patience. 858 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:54,040 I'm starting really to understand that in order to get where I want to be, first of 859 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,440 all, I need to fix the foundation. 860 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:04,440 But this foundation is not going to be fixed overnight. 861 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:11,800 It's really a process, a process of minimum 20 years, maybe. 862 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:19,400 You know, if you want to do it, no risk. 863 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:26,320 So listen, listen, listen, surround yourself with good people. 864 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,480 That's what I'm doing right now. 865 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,560 That's why I'm here. 866 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,560 And believe. 867 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:34,560 That's it. 868 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:35,560 Yeah, man. 869 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,280 Sandy, Mr. Provasia, I would like to thank you. 870 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,280 Hopi, hopi, hopi mucho. 871 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,280 Thank you for having me, bro. 872 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,960 Thank you for having me. 873 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:47,960 Thanks, man. 874 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:53,040 I've been looking forward to this day, been looking forward to this moment. 875 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:58,240 I think this also is one that will trigger many other moments. 876 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,160 So we got potentially we got some stuff cooking up. 877 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:09,600 So folks will just have to stay tuned to when when when those pots start to bubble. 878 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:10,600 Let's go. 879 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:11,600 Let's go. 880 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,080 Yeah, man. 881 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,200 Thanks a lot. 882 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:23,880 And for you guys at home, thank you also for listening, for tuning in, for giving us your 883 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,080 precious time and attention. 884 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:34,000 If you would like to see more of this content and see more successful, inspirational, hardworking 885 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:42,200 and focused, persevering, resilient individuals hailing from the sunny side of the Dutch Kingdom, 886 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:46,720 then please subscribe, like and drop some comments on the video. 887 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:53,380 Let us know what were some of the most interesting takes that you that you saw during the interview. 888 00:59:53,380 --> 00:59:59,960 What were some of the maybe questions you felt I needed to ask that I didn't ask. 889 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:02,320 So let me know for the next time. 890 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:12,120 And yeah, we're looking for more inspirational people hailing from the Dutch Caribbean to 891 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,840 interview and be part of this show and be part of this journey so that we can continue 892 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:23,360 to hopefully inspire the generations coming up and also our peers to continue to dream 893 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,740 big and seek out the best in themselves. 894 01:00:27,740 --> 01:00:28,740 Thank you for tuning in. 895 01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:30,760 This was Sunside Kingdom. 896 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:31,760 Adios. 897 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,760 I'm gone. 898 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:33,760 We're gone. 899 01:00:33,760 --> 01:01:01,920 Bless.