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Hi, my name is Jordan. I am a special education

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teacher from the UK. I share my passion for everything

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communication, sensory regulation and fun lesson

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ideas for my classroom of disabled pupils aged

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4 to 11. Each week I am joined by experts in

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the field answering your questions and sharing

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our knowledge and experience working alongside

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our beautiful young people. Let's get started.

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As I did last summer holidays, I'm going to kind

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of run a roundup of this academic year's podcast

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episodes over the next few weeks for you to enjoy.

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And maybe you missed a couple and you want to

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come back. So yeah, here are my favorite clips

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from the last year. Enjoy. I say proprioception,

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heavy work, because your proprioceptor system

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is the magic tool that overrides all your senses

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when you're feeling stressed and overwhelmed.

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So if you're struggling to get dressed in the

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morning, struggling with personal care, you know,

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starting with some wall press -ups, chair, you

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know, doing some deep pressure activities before

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can really help regulate your nervous system.

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And then, you know, it's a bit easier to face

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some of these tasks. Okay. So you said wall press

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-ups, chair press -ups. Is there anything else

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that we could do that doesn't really need many

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resources that they might be able to do? Yogurt,

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or a dog. We've got some... Anything that's really

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heavy work for your muscles. I suggested to another

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parent, they have a monkey bar in the hallway,

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just hanging off and just doing some hanging

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on the bar. Really nice proprioceptive feedback.

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If you're swinging, it gives the vestibular linear

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input. That's really calming and organizing.

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But in terms of no money and no resources, you

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know, something that's so pretty free is any

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pressure that... You know, that gives feedback

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to the joints. I'm pushing, pulling, carrying.

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So getting your child to carry the laundry basket

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downstairs, moving the furniture around if you

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need a sofa move, all of those things can be

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helpful. And that push, that push motion is really

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great, isn't it? And that's why I always say

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if you're at the airport and you're about to

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go on a long flight, get your child to drag the

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suitcase. It's actually really good. It will

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help settle their nervous system. That's a great

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tip. I love that. And that's really great to

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know that you can't ever get too much of it.

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You can't over -stimulate it with proprioception.

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Absolutely. It's safe for everyone. And you can't,

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you know, it's really something that some people

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respond so well to. I remember once I was working

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in a clinic in London. And a family that I worked

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with were about to get on a long -haul flight

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to the US. So they stopped by the clinic en route

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to Heathrow. And they just did an hour of jumping

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and crashing and lots of proprioceptive exercise

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and lots of deep pressure. And mom sent me an

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email when they got to the other side to say

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it was the best flight they ever had. I bet it

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was. And great before bedtime as well. I can

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imagine if you've got children that struggle

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to settle for bed, you know, doing that. It feels

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counterproductive getting them to do lots of

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pushing and press ups and monkey bars before

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bed. But it really does calm, doesn't it? Absolutely.

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And then there's some things as well, you know,

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depending on the person's sensory preferences.

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Obviously, some children do better with lights

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that are dim and calm and other, you know. That's

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where you start working with somebody and really

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ask them what their sensory preferences are.

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Some children, you know, they are very oversensitive

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when it comes to specific tastes. And then you

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get the other extreme where children don't register

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enough sensory inputs. Everything tastes bland

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and boring to them. I know, I know. And if you,

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and this is really one for you in the classroom

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to think about as well. There are children who

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are under responsive to sensory input. They're

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the ones who might appear like slumping on their

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chair, not being engaged. They might look completely

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bored, but there's just not enough stimuli in

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the environment to get them going. And, you know,

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for those children as well, jumping, moving,

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you know, having a bit of a shake about doing

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something interesting can get their senses back

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on track for them to have enough. sensory stimuli

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so they can engage as well not being really vigilant

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isn't it and really looking around the room you

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know and being curious or they're jumping and

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fidgeting maybe they need this they're slumping

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maybe they need this and and kind of working

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it out that way but if that if in doubt deep

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pressure and yes yeah absolutely and also just

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thinking about um the child's personality um

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and their interest as well and that's another

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kind of fun way to incorporate their sensory

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kind of needs I like something that works always

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really well is thinking of you know you've got

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somebody who loves racing cars and I love trade

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and kind of I always kind of theme my sensory

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activities around that so this and our scooter

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boards you cannot do enough with scooter boards

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if you're a PE teacher yeah we have lots of fun

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with scooter boards we're scooter boarding Between

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every lesson, actually, it's lovely vibration,

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I find. And so we do it outside on the playground

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on the concrete and we have a skipping rope attached

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to the front of it through the hole. So we're

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pulling the scooter board along and they're sitting

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on it. And not only are they getting the vestibular

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because we're going around in circles, but they're

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also getting the vibration as well. And then

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obviously visual because they're outside and

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we've got the dappled light. So there's so many

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different things, especially for those seeking

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children that have a bigger cup to fill in there.

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to meet their sensory needs are there any communication

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attempts that you wouldn't accept or that you

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would maybe react differently to or how yeah

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that's an interesting question like I think I

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would always accept and notice and acknowledge

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whatever behavior is coming out Because that

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behavior, whether they intentionally mean it

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to say something to you directly, is giving me

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information about their mental state, their emotional

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state, what's going on. And actually, it may

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give me more information that I need to ask more

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or find out more to explore with them because

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they might not even know. So a lot of the children

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who are non -speaking will... have so much trouble

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even just feeling the feelings inside their own

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body from a sensory point of view and then translating

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that into some kind of language of like spoken

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language or signing or anything just it's almost

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impossible and then there's also that sometimes

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they get overwhelmed by sensory things they can't

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tease it out or they're actually seeking that

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that sensory sensation because they're not they're

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not their body's not giving them that feedback

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so they're trying to get it so there may be like

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there's definitely been times when children have

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done something where it's you realize it it's

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because they they're having that unmet need and

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they're doing something that you would say that

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that's not safe and you can tell them i mean

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obviously if a child's gonna you know run into

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a road you absolutely can't just go right i'll

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just you know wait and see what they know like

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you just you have to grab them and go you know

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this isn't safe but it's things like it's things

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like you know biting you're there or they go

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to pull your hair okay that's is that telling

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you i hate you i want you to die no it's telling

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you i need something and i really can't figure

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out how to tell you what it is or i might not

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even know exactly what it is myself but this

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is the quickest way i know to get help or to

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get support or to get you out of my space or

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whatever it is yeah needing at that time exactly

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and then sometimes you've got to think about

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combination of things sort of making them safe

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using their language of touch as well so obviously

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if they're touching to show you know they're

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upset whether they're doing something that could

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be injuring somebody else you can use your touch

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in a gentle way but also you can remove that

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touch so that it might be that it's too much

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for them you have to know your child and that

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just comes from spending loads and loads of time

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with them Yeah, I think that's the point, isn't

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it? It has to come, relationship building has

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to come first. They have to trust you. So if,

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you know. ignoring any attempt of communication

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however unsafe it could be or ineffective or

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inappropriate it could be on a social level more

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likely inappropriate yeah exactly however it

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is it's still an attempt to meet their needs

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or be understood isn't it that that's ultimately

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what it is and it's I've never ever seen malicious

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or calculated ever I've worked for 16 years in

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autistic children it is always to do with seeking

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a need trying to get their needs met trying to

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be understood trying to get the quickest way

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like you say they're not lazy trying to get the

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most effective way of creating the environment

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that they need right there and sometimes that

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looks unsafe and inappropriate doesn't it yeah

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yeah yeah like I suddenly need to climb super

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high you know yeah yeah because I need to actually

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I just need to get out of here and sometimes

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up is the quickest way out Yeah. For example,

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exactly that. Exactly that. And it's not well

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thought out. Sometimes it's just in the moment.

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I mean, these kids are very present. It's second

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by second, isn't it? Especially in my class,

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it's very second by second. But you can acknowledge

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it without, with also offering a safer alternative.

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That's right. Yeah. Or you can be there for them

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and show that you're here and ready for them

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when they're ready without any verbal, without

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any physical, without offering anything. Just

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by being there, just your body language in the

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space and having had, like I was just saying,

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having had that strong relationship built before.

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So when they're not in that fight. Yeah. mode

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you've played together you've related to each

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other you've had those lovely cuddles tickles

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eye contact like moments you've built those up

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so that when these moments do happen where it's

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maybe inappropriate maybe safe maybe hurting

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behaviors then you've still built that trust

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that you've got that strong foundation that you

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know it's the tower's not going to come crashing

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down it's okay we can manage this this is this

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is tiny in comparison to all this wonderful stuff

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that we've built up it's okay i'm here for you

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you remember that time just before i was here

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for you i'm here for you exactly so ignoring

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behaviors doesn't feel right for me yeah no and

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also what you're saying is about the memory like

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they're going to remember the previous experiences

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and we do not we can really underestimate how

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amazing how like rich these children's memories

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are for things that are almost something we wouldn't

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even be able to articulate ourselves in words

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like the memories of the feelings of experiences

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of moments when something has like utterly calms

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them and all of those those those things because

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if you think about it they're not spending all

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of their time putting that into language all

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the time that they're just remembering they're

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holding it as that that like like a core memory

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this is all I can think of is like these core

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memories and they come they come back to that

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so if every time they do something that could

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be something you want you don't really want to

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happen or could be unsafe or could be hurting

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if you respond in a really negative way that

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could be for them scary and actually causing

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them to be really worried about that situation,

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then they're only going to ever associate those

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two things together. So you've got to figure

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out a way of being close, like you said, with

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your body, just proximity, just being close to

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them. I'm not going to leave you, but I'm going

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to keep myself safe from you, but I'm going to

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be available for you. That really is the thing.

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The power of deep breathing for regulation is

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incredible for me. It just really works. And

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it's one of those tools that if we do it as the

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person working with a dysregulated child, actually,

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very often they fall into our patterns and it

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just happens for them. So even if you can't do

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anything else in the moment, if you just do a

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big breath in. And let it out the number of times

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somebody will follow suit. Weirdly, my horse

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also does this. It was a technique I was taught

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with her. When she's a bit stressy, we stop and

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I do this big breath in, big sigh out. And she

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does it too. And we're okay. And then we carry

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on. So it works. It really works with children.

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Co -regulation, making sure you're regulated

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before you're supporting them. A whole aeroplane

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thing where you have your own mask on. Your own

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mask on first. It regulates you with stuff. It

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has a knock -on effect to the children that we

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work with. And then, of course, there's so many

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other ways we can do deep breathing, depending

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on the child that we're working with. And in

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the course, we take you through a number of different

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options so that you can then pick out the one

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that's right for that child. So we might do sucking

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through a straw, sucking a thick drink through

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a straw, sucking a... I don't know, cotton wool

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ball up through a straw to carry it somewhere.

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We might do blowing with blow football or a windmill.

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We might with, and other people do more sort

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of yoga type breathing where you do your hand

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breathing or the square breathing. There are

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lots of different ways that we can do this deep

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breathing, but all of it taps into. regulation

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it fits in with polyvagal theory for anyone that's

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following that as being a very powerful regulator

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for the brain takes us into that rest and digest

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that's really important for regulation and works

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and we can do it in so many different ways so

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many fun ways that are so easy to bring into

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class Amazing. Yeah, I love that. I definitely

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see that. And I also see when we're taking them,

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I mean, this comes into environment, when we're

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taking them outside, I think not only is it changing

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environment, but it's easier to breathe that

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fresh air outside. It's less stale and stagnant.

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And I've noticed that makes a big difference

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too. So in my own regulation, in managing whatever

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crisis is happening or communication is happening

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or dysregulation is happening, I'm managing it

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better if I'm. breathing slower it slows my me

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down it makes me think more rationally calm approach

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think back to the behavior plan that we spent

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hours creating rather than rushing in and trying

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to you know be superwoman yeah so it definitely

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helped me as well take a moment breathe really

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good for staff really good for the children fantastic

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and simple and free yes and we can do resources

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there Yes. And that's the point, isn't it? So

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often when we need it most, our best tools aren't

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with us. Our squeeze machines and our, you know,

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exercise peanut balls and trampolines and all

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those things. We can't bring those around with

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us everywhere, even though they're fantastic.

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But our breath and ourselves and our body, and

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I know that will come up in D as well, deep pressure,

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is where we've got it all the time. We have.

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Yeah, it's there. And it sounds really simple,

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but sometimes we forget the simple things in

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the moment, don't we? All of these five steps

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should be really simple and easy to follow, but

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it gives you a structure. It reminds you of the

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things that we need to do. And easy to remember

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too. Right. So we've done B, breathe. What about

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R then? R is about reducing, reducing the stresses.

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So that could be reducing the verbal, drop the

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language, cut it right down. Sometimes when we,

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sometimes I see. When we're trying to help a

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child, we talk too much. We offer too many solutions.

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You know, do you want to do this? Do you want

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to do that? And if they're already overloaded,

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it's a little bit too much. We might reduce the

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task that we're doing. Cut that down. We might

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reduce the audience. If someone's having a really

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difficult time and everyone else in the class

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is watching, bye. That's not a great place to

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be. So let's reduce the audience. We're just

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going to reduce, we might reduce the lights if

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the overhead lights are a problem or the noise.

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And again, we're crossing over into environment

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there because everything weaves in and out of

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each other, don't they? But we're reducing everything

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around that could be a stressor there and just

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bring it all down. Yeah. Their shoes sometimes

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reducing that or, you know, reducing the heat

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on them. Yeah. Taking stuff away, taking those

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dresses away. Visual clutter sometimes. It might

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not be mess, but sometimes just visual clutter

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is just too much. Closing blinds to stop the

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dappled light or put something over the bookcase

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so it's less visually cluttered can be a large

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reduction as well, can't it? So you'll need to

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work out for the child that you're with what

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it is that you need to reduce. But I think it

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will become really apparent through the course

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that people will know. They'll be picturing the

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child and they'll go, yep, do you know what?

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That's the thing. If we take that away, give

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them their ear defenders and we've reduced the

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noise in the environment. As you say, put something

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over something, reduce the visual stress. We

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can do that. We can do that really easily and

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it will make a big difference. Yeah, and I love

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that it's reduced because that's not on them.

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It's still on our responsibility to make those

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calls because it's that moment. They can't reduce

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their crisis behavior, reduce their regulation.

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It's not asking them anything. It's us. Again,

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just like the breathing, it's on us to breathe.

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It's on us to reduce. And I love that. then it's

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in our control for one. And it's something practical

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to do to support that isn't putting any more

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demands and pressure or responsibility on them.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's us doing that co -regulation

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piece to help them out. And then we can move

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on to helping somebody recognise their own patterns,

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move towards self -regulation. Fantastic. But

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we need to start with that co -regulation piece,

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first of all, of we're doing work. Yeah. Which

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I suppose leads really beautifully onto environment.

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Yep, the environment is full of stressors, isn't

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it? And everybody needs something slightly different

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in their environment. So under E, we talk about...

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All the potential stressors in an environment,

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the lights, the sounds, the smells, the movement,

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the touch, all those things that are there in

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the environment. I give you my own environmental

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audit and show you how to use that. So you can

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do an environmental audit specific to a particular

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pupil or just let's just audit the environment

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as a whole and have a bit of a run through of

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where all the potential stressors might be for

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anybody, as well as for an individual pupil.

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And we look at what we can do to then reduce

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those stresses, reduce those difficulties in

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the environment and what we can add to the environment

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that might be right for that individual. So maybe

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it's that their environment needs a chill out

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corner to go to. They need a safe space to go

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to. They need to sit somewhere different in class.

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What can we do to adjust the environment to make

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it right for that person? Yeah, perfect. Yeah,

00:19:03.140 --> 00:19:06.009
that makes so much sense. Not. Yeah, where could

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they do the thing that feels safer for them?

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Yes. Have the snack or go to the toilet is such

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an environmental trigger. It's glossy, it's bright,

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there's fans, it's loud, it's public. You know,

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that environment is not ideal for so many of

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our workers. So looking at that environment and

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thinking, okay, well, could we keep the lights

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down? Could we make sure the doors shut so nobody

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comes in? Could we change the whole toilet so

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it's then in the staff room, which is more private

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maybe? I don't know. Can they go to the toilet

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during? a quiet time when there'll be nobody

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else there and it feels safe yeah exactly that

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putting some furnishings around so it's less

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echoey it's all environment isn't it yeah environment

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has a huge impact so and it's something to consider

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in the moment if you have a people who is struggling

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who's dysregulated and you've already thought

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about their environment you can then get okay

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well maybe We know that the lights are an issue

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for them and we've had the lights on for an hour

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or we've got the lights on and we're asking them

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to do something difficult and we can smell lunch

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drifting down the hallway. So maybe we block

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one of those and that's going to really help

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us with our regulation. there's weight in love

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and trauma isn't there there's weight of it all

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and yeah I can totally relate to that I've had

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conversations like that with parents of you actually

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get it like you understand their voice you one

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you you get it and and also somebody to be able

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to celebrate the small wins with because actually

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sometimes your own support network or your own

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family don't even really get it absolutely and

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honestly we treasure those people you know we

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absolutely treasure those people because it's

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so few and far between that there's other people

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that get to see our children just how we see

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them and it was funny actually because I've started

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to talk a little bit about love now and people

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think that's a bit funny to talk about another

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environment other than you as the parent showing

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love to your child but honestly I see that in

00:21:09.910 --> 00:21:14.309
that setting I see It's really sad to me that

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that's not expected. It actually makes me quite

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teary thinking that that isn't a thing. I know.

00:21:24.890 --> 00:21:27.910
I call my class my kids, like, for a reason.

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Yeah, and they'll know that. They will absolutely

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know that. It makes me quite teary thinking that,

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that a setting would have a child, even if it's

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just for a year, and not love them, just breaks

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my heart. but I know you can feel it when it's

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there and you know when it's not there yeah I'm

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a children now right yeah and I think that's

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what we're paid for like why are you in this

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job if you aren't loving the children like surely

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that's the fundament like surely and I think

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that that goes back to what we were saying earlier

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when it feels like you're kind of never meeting

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that mark you're always not quite good enough

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this is a very different basis isn't it because

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when it's based on love you're invested in those

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people whatever yeah and it is missing the mark

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I know you you call yourself moving them up but

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it is it is missing the mark it's missing the

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whole point of this you could be getting all

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the levels and results in the world but if you're

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not loving the children you've completely missed

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the point you really have i mean i mean even

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caseworkers i mean they should they should be

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have there should be some kind of love for these

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families there but especially as a teacher i

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just don't think it's as any excuse no and i

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think that these children have not felt good

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enough i mean can you imagine being a child who

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ends up not being in school with their friends

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yeah because no child wants that every part and

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i think there's this rhetoric as well of children

00:22:52.970 --> 00:22:56.910
families choosing to right students choosing

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to not no all of them want to be there why would

00:23:00.730 --> 00:23:03.390
you not want to be with your friends and learning

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and thriving away from your family and coming

00:23:05.670 --> 00:23:07.549
back why would you not want that that isn't a

00:23:07.549 --> 00:23:11.609
thing they're not choosing to they can't do it

00:23:11.609 --> 00:23:13.970
i can't not won't is one of your things right

00:23:13.970 --> 00:23:18.009
yeah one of your books that is exactly it it's

00:23:18.009 --> 00:23:20.670
not that they won't do it They haven't been given

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the environment or the tools or the system in

00:23:24.289 --> 00:23:27.910
order to be able to access it. And them accessing

00:23:27.910 --> 00:23:31.930
it might look very different as well. I think

00:23:31.930 --> 00:23:34.950
that's a really important point, that that will

00:23:34.950 --> 00:23:37.710
look different. Same as our parenting will look

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different. And inclusion doesn't have to mean...

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100 % attendance. No. Included in every subject,

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in every environment, in everything. That isn't

00:23:49.089 --> 00:23:51.829
what we mean by inclusion. It is belonging. It

00:23:51.829 --> 00:23:54.809
is accepting. And that could mean one afternoon

00:23:54.809 --> 00:23:58.529
a week if it's not to benefit the school, it's

00:23:58.529 --> 00:24:00.329
to benefit the child. And I think that's the

00:24:00.329 --> 00:24:03.910
difference, isn't it? Is a reduced timetable

00:24:03.910 --> 00:24:07.049
to benefit the family, to benefit the child,

00:24:07.230 --> 00:24:11.380
then that's inclusion. school because they're

00:24:11.380 --> 00:24:12.940
a bit distracting from the rest of the class

00:24:12.940 --> 00:24:15.660
that's exclusion and yet it can look exactly

00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:18.920
the same on paper that's a really important point

00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:22.240
and I speak to families who say they've had you

00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.579
know months and months and months of just driving

00:24:24.579 --> 00:24:26.960
up to the school dragging this child in so they

00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:29.380
can tick the attendance at school and then off

00:24:29.380 --> 00:24:31.759
they go I mean what's the point and what trauma

00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:35.220
are you causing doing that and also that trauma

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between breaking down the parent and child relationship

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Not just the school and the child. That's asking

00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.640
the parent to lose trust, lose loyalty, you know,

00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.480
huge breakdown of relationship. And then what

00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:50.680
has the child got? If you haven't even got trust

00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.339
with the parent and you feel like you're not

00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:55.819
even being understood by your own parents, I

00:24:55.819 --> 00:24:58.220
mean, that poor child, they really haven't got

00:24:58.220 --> 00:25:01.819
anyone. then gets it and that's just awful and

00:25:01.819 --> 00:25:04.140
that's i know that pressure comes from the school

00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:06.599
and then above that it comes from the local authority

00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:08.259
and above that it comes from the government to

00:25:08.259 --> 00:25:11.079
the school to the parent And that's why I talk

00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:13.359
about this repair and restore when we're at home.

00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.460
That's often what we're having to do as well.

00:25:15.500 --> 00:25:18.359
It's not just repairing that child from those

00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.400
experiences, but it's also repairing our relationship

00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:24.440
with our child because we have often broken their

00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:24.720
trust.
