WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.680 Hi, my name is Jordan. I am a special education 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:06.160 teacher from the UK. I share my passion for everything 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:09.119 communication, sensory regulation and fun lesson 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:11.660 ideas for my classroom of disabled pupils aged 00:00:11.660 --> 00:00:15.300 4 to 11. Each week I am joined by experts in 00:00:15.300 --> 00:00:17.640 the field answering your questions and sharing 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:19.579 our knowledge and experience working alongside 00:00:19.579 --> 00:00:22.559 our beautiful young people. Let's get started. 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:30.940 First of all, a message about our sponsor. Today's 00:00:30.940 --> 00:00:33.640 sponsor is Octopus Energy. I've recently signed 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:35.799 up and have been totally won over by their mega 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.740 low rates and 15p per kilowatt buyback scheme 00:00:38.740 --> 00:00:41.640 for any solar power we aren't using. In just 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:43.740 a few minutes, I'd put in all my details and 00:00:43.740 --> 00:00:45.460 they'd do the switch from your current provider 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:47.960 for you. It could not be simpler. Don't take 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.240 it from me though, over 6 million homes have 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:52.560 made the sustainable switch. When you sign up 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.759 today using my code, we both get £50. It keeps 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:57.920 me creating this free content for you guys and 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.719 you get cheaper energy. Double win. Head to the 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:02.579 link in the description below to make the switch 00:01:02.579 --> 00:01:08.519 today. Now to the episode. Hello everybody and 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:10.959 welcome to the Sensory Classroom podcast. My 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:13.760 name is Jordan and today I am joined by Sophie 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:23.659 from Sen Talk Tags. almost accidentally created 00:01:23.659 --> 00:01:27.019 the most amazing communication products and we've 00:01:27.019 --> 00:01:30.079 recently collaborated together on a product and 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.140 i am very excited to have her on podcast today 00:01:33.140 --> 00:01:36.280 hello sophie hello hello i like that introduction 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.879 makes me seem more proper well you are i mean 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:43.079 on your introduction bio you sent to me you put 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:47.689 um a small sen business and actually It isn't 00:01:47.689 --> 00:01:49.349 that small because it's absolutely blown up. 00:01:49.370 --> 00:01:51.450 It's a new SEN business, but it's absolutely 00:01:51.450 --> 00:01:55.930 blown up, hasn't it? I can't quite believe it. 00:01:56.010 --> 00:01:58.090 Like if you'd have told me a few months ago, 00:01:58.150 --> 00:02:00.650 I'd be where I am now. I'd be like. So when did 00:02:00.650 --> 00:02:05.870 it start? Well, it started in February, March. 00:02:07.010 --> 00:02:10.490 That's when I made the first set for Rex. And 00:02:10.490 --> 00:02:13.349 then it's. Let's talk about that then. So let's 00:02:13.349 --> 00:02:14.930 talk about your family because that wouldn't 00:02:14.930 --> 00:02:17.810 help us understand where this. amazing business 00:02:17.810 --> 00:02:20.909 has come from so yeah who are your children and 00:02:20.909 --> 00:02:23.270 what does your family dynamic look like so I've 00:02:23.270 --> 00:02:26.689 got Rex who is six who has been diagnosed with 00:02:26.689 --> 00:02:29.289 autism and then they've got Rory who's two and 00:02:29.289 --> 00:02:32.689 a half who is on the pathway the joyous pathway 00:02:32.689 --> 00:02:36.129 that we're all dealing with and then I've also 00:02:36.129 --> 00:02:39.229 got Tom my husband who is the biggest cheerleader 00:02:39.229 --> 00:02:41.650 so yeah that's our little family and the dog 00:02:42.219 --> 00:02:46.439 max who is training to be an assistance dog by 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.680 the way which is well we're trying but yeah so 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:56.039 lovely little family so rex and rory are autistic 00:02:56.039 --> 00:03:02.560 what was life like before the business what was 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:06.520 what were you seeing in rex particularly where 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.689 you felt He needs something more. He needs some 00:03:09.689 --> 00:03:13.610 kind of aid, some kind of communication. So I've 00:03:13.610 --> 00:03:16.849 been using visuals with Rex all his life, really. 00:03:16.969 --> 00:03:20.150 Very early on, kind of seven, eight, nine months, 00:03:20.210 --> 00:03:23.000 we knew that there was something. different about 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:26.580 Rex and very quickly we had to start changing 00:03:26.580 --> 00:03:29.560 and adapting our ways of communicating with him. 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:33.620 So I started laminating and I spent a long, long 00:03:33.620 --> 00:03:37.560 period of our lives laminating and making visuals, 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:41.819 carrying around hundreds of communication aids 00:03:41.819 --> 00:03:45.780 and supports. I would print lots of things for 00:03:45.780 --> 00:03:49.259 him. Just a day out to see his auntie, we would 00:03:49.259 --> 00:03:53.360 make visual communication. pages for him okay 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.960 so for things for things him to use to communicate 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:57.979 or for him for you to communicate with him so 00:03:57.979 --> 00:04:00.379 he could understand like what was what was use 00:04:00.379 --> 00:04:03.319 of those kind of visuals for everything really 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:07.500 so rex didn't really talk until he was he didn't 00:04:07.500 --> 00:04:10.180 even try and talk until he was kind of three 00:04:10.180 --> 00:04:14.099 and so really he likes he had meltdowns when 00:04:14.099 --> 00:04:16.959 he didn't know what was going to happen so that 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:19.620 was a really big trigger for him when he was 00:04:19.620 --> 00:04:23.230 little he wouldn't know what was coming next 00:04:23.230 --> 00:04:27.129 and if it wasn't staying at home he was so uncomfortable 00:04:27.129 --> 00:04:30.310 with it so I had to provide him with visuals 00:04:30.310 --> 00:04:32.389 so he knew what was happening and it would be 00:04:32.389 --> 00:04:35.290 weeks ahead so we might only be going we'd be 00:04:35.290 --> 00:04:38.269 going to see his grandma but I'd have to provide 00:04:38.269 --> 00:04:40.810 him with right so this is how a week is going 00:04:40.810 --> 00:04:43.529 to look like and on that day this is going to 00:04:43.529 --> 00:04:47.529 happen and that would help him so much because 00:04:47.529 --> 00:04:50.560 it was I think the world was just too much for 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:53.500 him. And it was all... So we did use them for 00:04:53.500 --> 00:04:56.399 communicating, but really the main thing for 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:58.800 Rex was knowing what was happening. It was kind 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.639 of like a social story to ease his anxiety so 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:05.459 he could anticipate and predict changes to routine 00:05:05.459 --> 00:05:07.899 and what was going to happen. Yeah. Which is 00:05:07.899 --> 00:05:10.399 amazing, isn't it? And actually... So autistic 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:12.180 children feel very anxious about what's going 00:05:12.180 --> 00:05:15.240 to come. But also all children really are so 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.759 anxious about unknown and different changes to 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:21.220 their routine and decisions are made around them 00:05:21.220 --> 00:05:22.839 and for them that they don't quite understand. 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.759 So visuals, I can imagine, were incredibly useful 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:29.360 to you at that point. Just they changed the game 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.939 for us. Like we were in such a place before I 00:05:32.939 --> 00:05:35.139 really kind of got on board with making visuals 00:05:35.139 --> 00:05:37.980 every day for him. We were in such a challenging 00:05:37.980 --> 00:05:41.600 place where. It was just meltdown all the time. 00:05:41.620 --> 00:05:43.860 And it was so hard. And it was like, what do 00:05:43.860 --> 00:05:47.339 we do? What can we do to make this easier for 00:05:47.339 --> 00:05:50.399 him and for us? And it did end up being visuals. 00:05:50.779 --> 00:05:55.639 Also, baby sign as well. So that's been a big 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:57.759 one for us as well. And he still uses it today. 00:05:58.100 --> 00:06:01.800 So lots of AAC, lots of alternative communication 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:05.699 methods. Yeah. Advanced speech that are... to 00:06:05.699 --> 00:06:07.720 support him, his understanding of what's coming. 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:10.019 It maybe makes it more concrete because at the 00:06:10.019 --> 00:06:12.500 same time it's tangible. You can actually feel 00:06:12.500 --> 00:06:16.240 it and all of those things. So if that was working 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:20.759 so well, what was wrong? What need, I suppose, 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:25.139 weren't they meeting that you needed to make 00:06:25.139 --> 00:06:28.920 them harder plastic, you know, 3D printed? What 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.459 was that transition? That I was making them all 00:06:31.459 --> 00:06:35.230 the time. But I was having to replace them over 00:06:35.230 --> 00:06:38.509 and over again. And it all started because I 00:06:38.509 --> 00:06:42.209 was sat at this desk with a list of symbols that 00:06:42.209 --> 00:06:45.910 I needed to reprint and relaminate for him. And 00:06:45.910 --> 00:06:48.470 I had the printer. We had a little printer to 00:06:48.470 --> 00:06:52.410 make mini figures for him because he likes dioramas 00:06:52.410 --> 00:06:56.879 and making tiny little. yeah displays of little 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.279 people you already have a 3d printer you already 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:04.560 know how to use it well i yeah i knew i knew 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:09.899 how to download a file right but i then downloaded 00:07:09.899 --> 00:07:13.540 the design software because i was sat here the 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:17.399 printer was going and i went maybe we could maybe 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.579 i could and that's when i made his because at 00:07:20.579 --> 00:07:23.759 the time it was emotional communication that 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.139 was really challenging for us, especially when 00:07:26.139 --> 00:07:29.040 we were out of the house. He would just, when 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.379 he was overwhelmed and regulation was out the 00:07:31.379 --> 00:07:35.100 window, he couldn't verbalise anything. Language 00:07:35.100 --> 00:07:37.920 was gone. So we were making a lot of emotion 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:41.259 symbols and finding ways for him to, without 00:07:41.259 --> 00:07:44.459 the pressure of using his words, he could go, 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:48.279 that one. And yeah, so I designed a little square 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.529 with a little hook on it. put a face and at the 00:07:51.529 --> 00:07:54.110 time we only had a single color printer so I 00:07:54.110 --> 00:07:56.730 painted it I sat and hand painted this little 00:07:56.730 --> 00:07:59.110 smiley face and this little sad face for him 00:07:59.110 --> 00:08:02.550 and yeah that's where they were what was the 00:08:02.550 --> 00:08:05.370 impact of that for him and you I suppose because 00:08:05.370 --> 00:08:07.269 also he was already getting his needs met but 00:08:07.269 --> 00:08:09.790 you were finding it overwhelming so what yeah 00:08:09.790 --> 00:08:12.110 it was too much for me it was too much time for 00:08:12.110 --> 00:08:15.689 me just constantly making his visuals he loved 00:08:15.689 --> 00:08:19.639 them and it opened my eyes to the fact that I 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.379 think we're also used to using laminates. That's 00:08:22.379 --> 00:08:24.680 just what we do. That's what you're told. You 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.160 know, you go, oh, well, you can print a laminate 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:29.259 and there you go. And we were so used to using 00:08:29.259 --> 00:08:31.420 them. But then there was something tactile, something 00:08:31.420 --> 00:08:34.100 that he could hold in his hand. And it has, you 00:08:34.100 --> 00:08:36.600 know, it's raised. It's got some kind of sensory 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:42.080 feedback. I'm feeling one now. It's not rough. 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:44.399 It is very smooth. But there is a kind of texture 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:47.539 there. It's kind of fuzzy on your fingers, isn't 00:08:47.539 --> 00:08:53.259 it? like the emotions yes can't tear it apart 00:08:53.259 --> 00:08:55.340 because this is what i'm finding as well i'm 00:08:55.340 --> 00:08:57.919 finding lots of my learners are sensory seekers 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:00.700 right um our children that often struggle with 00:09:00.700 --> 00:09:03.580 communication also have all these sensory regulation 00:09:03.580 --> 00:09:05.860 needs don't they it kind of goes hand in hand 00:09:05.860 --> 00:09:08.179 especially in rooms like mine and homes like 00:09:08.179 --> 00:09:11.500 yours so the children as they're using the symbols 00:09:12.609 --> 00:09:14.029 They're not even realizing they're doing it, 00:09:14.070 --> 00:09:16.169 but they're stimming with them. They're flapping 00:09:16.169 --> 00:09:18.169 them. They're sucking them. They're biting them. 00:09:18.190 --> 00:09:20.549 They're putting them apart. They're all of those 00:09:20.549 --> 00:09:21.970 things. They're putting them behind the radiator. 00:09:22.450 --> 00:09:24.090 They're getting locked. Throwing them across 00:09:24.090 --> 00:09:26.049 the room. They're sticking them on the carpet 00:09:26.049 --> 00:09:28.269 and losing all their velcro stick. You know, 00:09:28.289 --> 00:09:30.309 all those things that teachers and parents, I'm 00:09:30.309 --> 00:09:33.210 sure you're listening, can totally resonate with 00:09:33.210 --> 00:09:36.070 that feeling. And how long it takes to replace 00:09:36.070 --> 00:09:38.750 them. The one thing that drives me mad about 00:09:38.750 --> 00:09:40.870 symbols is the separate symbols in comparison 00:09:40.870 --> 00:09:44.080 to like a core board. is they just get lost all 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.320 the time and we are constantly having to remake 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.360 them. And in the meantime, the children have 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:51.240 lost their voice, haven't they? They've lost 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:54.820 all of those words whilst we're then replacing 00:09:54.820 --> 00:09:58.519 them, which also isn't okay. No, no. And so we're 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.519 providing something that can give them that stimulation, 00:10:01.539 --> 00:10:05.980 that sensory tactile feel while still giving 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:08.519 them their voice. Like Rex literally uses the 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.399 terminology, I'm sorry, mummy, I lost my voice 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:14.440 then. And he actually says that to me now. And 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:16.860 it's like, but when I've got things that he can 00:10:16.860 --> 00:10:23.120 use, it doesn't matter because you can lose your 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.220 voice. I lose my voice all the time. I really 00:10:25.220 --> 00:10:27.559 struggle sometimes to communicate how I'm feeling. 00:10:27.659 --> 00:10:30.740 But if I was given something and it said, there 00:10:30.740 --> 00:10:32.480 you go, you don't have, there's no pressure. 00:10:32.860 --> 00:10:35.200 And I think that's the key. I really struggle 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:38.360 when people expect children to use language. 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.830 Put words to it. How are you? tell me tell me 00:10:40.830 --> 00:10:43.330 when they're feeling dysregulated right yeah 00:10:43.330 --> 00:10:46.570 that's the first thing to go that reasoning and 00:10:46.570 --> 00:10:49.269 working it out is the first thing that gets shut 00:10:49.269 --> 00:10:53.129 off yeah so having a visual there with options 00:10:53.129 --> 00:10:56.730 might help yeah and if you can throw it it doesn't 00:10:56.730 --> 00:10:58.669 get broken or bite it it doesn't get broken then 00:10:58.669 --> 00:11:01.509 even better okay so that that definitely makes 00:11:01.509 --> 00:11:04.509 me understand where it came from so emotions 00:11:04.509 --> 00:11:07.509 symbols came first and that was just your son 00:11:08.269 --> 00:11:11.610 So what was the transition like from making the 00:11:11.610 --> 00:11:16.309 emotion tags for your son to having a fully fledged 00:11:16.309 --> 00:11:19.090 business going on? Did you share it on like your 00:11:19.090 --> 00:11:22.309 personal socials or something? No. So it was 00:11:22.309 --> 00:11:28.870 at our local Senn group. I had them on my lanyard 00:11:28.870 --> 00:11:32.789 and Rex was using them. And so at no point were 00:11:32.789 --> 00:11:36.750 these a product. Right. I love that. No point. 00:11:36.809 --> 00:11:39.649 Was this a business? This was not a let's make 00:11:39.649 --> 00:11:41.970 a business. And, you know, it wasn't that. It 00:11:41.970 --> 00:11:45.070 was literally I had them on my lanyard. And then 00:11:45.070 --> 00:11:48.889 the lovely lady, Sharon, who runs the group, 00:11:49.090 --> 00:11:52.490 said, what are those? And I showed her and then 00:11:52.490 --> 00:11:55.210 it was like a little like a little everyone came 00:11:55.210 --> 00:11:58.269 around. These are amazing. So I made them for 00:11:58.269 --> 00:12:00.570 them all. And they all were like, yeah, you've 00:12:00.570 --> 00:12:03.690 got something here. This is this isn't this isn't 00:12:03.690 --> 00:12:07.039 just this is something. yeah this is needed this 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:10.440 is needed yeah and I kind of laughed it off and 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.759 said oh no it's I can't do that I can't put them 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.360 online that's you know no and I did because they 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:21.299 told me I should and I sold 30 in a week the 00:12:21.299 --> 00:12:23.240 confirmation you needed to think yeah we need 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.779 to yeah this is something and then suddenly the 00:12:26.779 --> 00:12:28.919 emails went and then I started making little 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:32.940 videos and yeah it just went very very quickly 00:12:34.090 --> 00:12:36.330 you seem to come from nowhere like I remember 00:12:36.330 --> 00:12:38.090 it I remember seeing those tags for the first 00:12:38.090 --> 00:12:42.149 time and you creating videos saying like I accidentally 00:12:42.149 --> 00:12:45.070 started a business and I could totally relate 00:12:45.070 --> 00:12:47.649 to that because my business was absolutely accidentally 00:12:47.649 --> 00:12:50.879 started as well yeah And again, just meeting 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:53.559 that need of like, oh, can you send me that? 00:12:53.700 --> 00:12:55.419 Or can I have more information on this? I'm like, 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.440 oh, okay. You need this too, right? Oh, yeah, 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.159 I'm probably not the only one that needs that. 00:13:00.299 --> 00:13:02.259 And it's that realisation of there's more than 00:13:02.259 --> 00:13:05.100 just me out there or Rex out there that needs 00:13:05.100 --> 00:13:08.519 this stuff. And what a lovely way to start a 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.200 business of meeting that need of a community 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:15.580 that you love so much. Yeah, and it's just me, 00:13:15.740 --> 00:13:19.360 a mummy, helping. other families and i keep saying 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:22.700 it on my socials i keep saying it's so empowering 00:13:22.700 --> 00:13:26.059 because i'm just a mummy i'm in a very neuro 00:13:26.059 --> 00:13:29.460 you know neurodiverse household i'm living it 00:13:29.460 --> 00:13:31.779 i'm in it and i'm helping other people that are 00:13:31.779 --> 00:13:34.620 in it as well and it's yeah it's very powerful 00:13:34.620 --> 00:13:38.559 yes very special powerful it is it's incredible 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:40.700 we've got an incredible community incredibly 00:13:40.700 --> 00:13:44.059 supportive community and it is very empowering 00:13:44.059 --> 00:13:46.100 i totally agree with that and it's really empowering 00:13:46.100 --> 00:13:48.889 for I suppose let's talk about us working together 00:13:48.889 --> 00:13:50.769 as well. I find it really empowering that within 00:13:50.769 --> 00:13:54.070 this space of business women, that we're all 00:13:54.070 --> 00:13:56.649 so supportive of each other. And I don't think 00:13:56.649 --> 00:13:59.590 that happens in many communities, you know. Lots 00:13:59.590 --> 00:14:02.129 of people would be quite competitive or like, 00:14:02.289 --> 00:14:05.169 I don't know, there'd just be a vibe. And it 00:14:05.169 --> 00:14:08.509 just isn't amongst all of these beautiful small 00:14:08.509 --> 00:14:10.009 businesses in the community. I think because 00:14:10.009 --> 00:14:12.070 maybe we've all got the same purpose. None of 00:14:12.070 --> 00:14:14.889 us meant to start a business. We just... saw 00:14:14.889 --> 00:14:17.789 a need in the community and we're going for it 00:14:17.789 --> 00:14:20.110 and we're like boosting each other up i just 00:14:20.110 --> 00:14:24.110 love it i love it it is i am amazed to be honest 00:14:24.110 --> 00:14:26.490 at the community spirit of it all but i think 00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:28.870 like most of us are either working in the sen 00:14:28.870 --> 00:14:32.269 community or living the sen life and it's just 00:14:32.269 --> 00:14:35.389 like we this is helping me so let me i want to 00:14:35.389 --> 00:14:38.779 help you I think it's because we might not necessarily 00:14:38.779 --> 00:14:41.899 get the support we need from elsewhere. And it 00:14:41.899 --> 00:14:43.919 can feel quite lonely. And we're used to feeling 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.120 like, let's face it, we're all neurodivergent 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.240 ourselves. And I think we're used to feeling 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:51.179 ostracised. We know what it feels like to feel 00:14:51.179 --> 00:14:55.659 all those things. And we're not outcasts in this 00:14:55.659 --> 00:14:58.279 community. It's very much together. And there's 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:00.799 certainly space for all of us. Which brings me 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.000 on to our little collaboration, or not so little 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:06.820 collaboration. So this came out in September 00:15:06.820 --> 00:15:11.820 and we sold 50 in the first two days. Is it 50 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:16.159 now? I'm so sorry. Well, it's 49 because I stole 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.779 this one. I'm going to be busy. And in two days, 00:15:20.779 --> 00:15:23.360 two days after we released this, I asked for 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:27.059 another 100, didn't I? Yeah. Yeah, so this is 00:15:27.059 --> 00:15:29.200 the now and export. Now, this is based on exactly 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:31.440 the same as your story, right? I was laminating 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:33.120 these. I've been laminating these for years. 00:15:33.179 --> 00:15:34.919 I've been making them for years. And every single 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:38.399 term, at least, we have to make fresh ones because 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:40.799 they're ripped on the corners. They're torn. 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:42.320 They're bad because they're used. Ultimately, 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:45.039 I don't want fresh symbols. I want symbols that 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:49.039 look used. I want them to be used. But I don't 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:50.299 want them to be falling apart because I want 00:15:50.299 --> 00:15:53.149 them to actually be useful. yeah so every 12 00:15:53.149 --> 00:15:55.990 weeks i would pay my tas extra to make these 00:15:55.990 --> 00:15:58.509 laminated now next for me and then that accidentally 00:15:58.509 --> 00:16:00.450 became a product when people saw me wearing it 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:02.830 in my videos so my tas make these as a way of 00:16:02.830 --> 00:16:05.169 me giving them uh extra ways they came up with 00:16:05.169 --> 00:16:08.169 the idea yada yada yada but every 12 weeks we 00:16:08.169 --> 00:16:10.690 were having to remake them now i saw your videos 00:16:10.690 --> 00:16:14.470 and your products and i thought could work and 00:16:14.470 --> 00:16:16.350 I messaged you and you were totally up for it 00:16:16.350 --> 00:16:19.669 I was so pleased because is she too busy because 00:16:19.669 --> 00:16:21.070 I know you're so busy with your own business 00:16:21.070 --> 00:16:23.169 oh is she too busy to help me out and I know 00:16:23.169 --> 00:16:25.190 you are so busy I'm so pleased that you jumped 00:16:25.190 --> 00:16:29.049 on this well I am busy but I was just like no 00:16:29.049 --> 00:16:32.879 I need to make that like I I can see how useful 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.620 it is. And I am passionate about getting into 00:16:35.620 --> 00:16:39.820 schools with things like this. I think that they're 00:16:39.820 --> 00:16:43.080 fantastic at home. And yeah, they really do work 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:47.279 very well at home. But in a school setting, you're 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.639 using them all the time. They are, like you say, 00:16:50.779 --> 00:16:53.220 they're needing to be replaced. They are so highly, 00:16:53.379 --> 00:16:56.379 I mean, I bet they get a bit manky in the corners. 00:16:56.659 --> 00:16:59.159 They're so highly used. They get disgusting. 00:16:59.580 --> 00:17:03.120 And I was just like. no this is somebody who 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.460 is found a product that's working for them but 00:17:06.460 --> 00:17:09.400 i can make it a bit better we can make it last 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.160 yeah you absolutely i mean this will last years 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:14.240 and that's the difference you know rather than 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:16.559 buying it every 12 weeks well that's one thing 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:18.220 i didn't want my customers to have to keep buying 00:17:18.220 --> 00:17:19.519 it so i used to send them digital copies so they 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.829 could make their own replacement But I also didn't 00:17:21.829 --> 00:17:23.630 want them to be doing, having to be doing that. 00:17:23.690 --> 00:17:26.849 So that's great that it will last ages. And yeah, 00:17:26.930 --> 00:17:29.529 you buy it once and it just lasts forever. I'm 00:17:29.529 --> 00:17:32.490 obsessed with it. I love it so much. I'm so pleased. 00:17:32.609 --> 00:17:36.349 It took some designing. You did such a great 00:17:36.349 --> 00:17:38.849 job. Bless you. I was so specific about the colors 00:17:38.849 --> 00:17:41.990 and the design and everything. And it's perfect. 00:17:42.450 --> 00:17:45.930 When it arrived, I looked like that. There's 00:17:45.930 --> 00:17:49.160 a stack like that of... ones that didn't work 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:51.680 ones that didn't i had a problem with them snapping 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:54.119 in the middle or because of the different colors 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.680 because the different colors so i couldn't have 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:59.619 it one side green one side jelly because the 00:17:59.619 --> 00:18:02.799 way the printer prints it would have made too 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.079 much what i call printer poo because it'd have 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.460 to every layer change the color so it would have 00:18:07.460 --> 00:18:10.339 taken about 24 hours to print one so i had to 00:18:10.339 --> 00:18:13.400 do it all one color but then the top layer different 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:17.700 but then it made a weak spot So you really challenged 00:18:17.700 --> 00:18:19.960 my design skills, but we got there. I want to 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:21.599 say that about you, actually. Your products are 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.039 so high quality. You can really tell that you 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:26.880 are a send mum and you know how much these are 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.660 going to be used. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm so impressed 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:33.380 with the quality. Seriously, I'm so pleased that 00:18:33.380 --> 00:18:36.940 we're doing this. And yeah, I suppose that leads 00:18:36.940 --> 00:18:39.920 on to beautifully the collaboration between home 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.210 and school. Are lots of your customers parents 00:18:43.210 --> 00:18:46.589 then rather than school -based staff? I would 00:18:46.589 --> 00:18:53.170 say it's slowly shifting. Originally, I mean, 00:18:53.230 --> 00:18:56.390 it's still mainly parents, but I've started to 00:18:56.390 --> 00:19:00.150 get more education settings interested now. Quite 00:19:00.150 --> 00:19:03.890 a lot of nursery and preschool interests, because 00:19:03.890 --> 00:19:06.470 I think they use visuals for every child, not 00:19:06.470 --> 00:19:08.750 necessarily neurodivergent children, because 00:19:08.750 --> 00:19:11.529 like we said, every child learns through visuals. 00:19:11.809 --> 00:19:13.650 They're budgeting for it already. It's not an 00:19:13.650 --> 00:19:17.170 extra. Exactly. But I'm finding also that a lot 00:19:17.170 --> 00:19:20.950 of parents are buying their sets and then going, 00:19:21.390 --> 00:19:23.410 I'm going to put another order in for the teacher 00:19:23.410 --> 00:19:26.210 and things like that. So it is starting that 00:19:26.210 --> 00:19:29.490 people are kind of going, actually know her TA 00:19:29.490 --> 00:19:32.690 wants one as well. So they're kind of like, it 00:19:32.690 --> 00:19:34.990 is so interesting. I certainly have a view on 00:19:34.990 --> 00:19:37.630 this. In your view, what are the benefits of 00:19:37.630 --> 00:19:41.650 using the same system at home and at school? 00:19:42.869 --> 00:19:45.750 Continuity. I think that children, especially 00:19:45.750 --> 00:19:49.220 neurodivergent children. rely on structure and 00:19:49.220 --> 00:19:51.940 things being the same so if they are learning 00:19:51.940 --> 00:19:54.599 if that's your way of communicating if you're 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.240 using visuals to communicate if you suddenly 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.160 get a different visual at home and a different 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.319 visual at school then there's going to be it's 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:04.799 going to be hard I don't know what do you like 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.299 yeah I've always wondered if it's similar to 00:20:07.299 --> 00:20:09.980 having to learn two languages and when you're 00:20:09.980 --> 00:20:13.039 in dysregulation having to think right where 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.920 am I what language is understood here. A bit 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:19.200 like, you know, some children use mummy's language, 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:23.299 daddy's language, which actually in theory, the 00:20:23.299 --> 00:20:26.099 theory and research is that actually that helps 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:28.259 communication if they have dual languages. However, 00:20:28.380 --> 00:20:30.079 for our neurodivergent children, when they're 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:32.839 dysregulated, they lose all language, let alone 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:36.119 where they are in space and who they're with 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.579 and how they're going to talk. So they might 00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:41.880 not be able to. know what language they need 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.720 to use in each setting or what word to use. So 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:48.059 I think we need to be seeing all visuals as languages. 00:20:48.259 --> 00:20:52.119 So if you've got a language on your talking tablet 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:54.500 and you've got a different language on your visuals 00:20:54.500 --> 00:20:56.599 and you've got a different language on your lanyard, 00:20:56.740 --> 00:20:59.660 it can be really confusing for children because 00:20:59.660 --> 00:21:01.920 they're having to, wait, well, that sad face, 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:05.220 those shapes like that look like a sad face. 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.869 But those shapes like that also mean sad. And 00:21:08.869 --> 00:21:12.670 that one is so beautiful. I also like with my 00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:19.089 experience with Rex, his eye for detail is ridiculous. 00:21:19.210 --> 00:21:24.309 So if it's slightly the same symbol, but it's 00:21:24.309 --> 00:21:26.670 slightly to the left of where it used to be, 00:21:26.809 --> 00:21:31.410 he'll let you know. So it's that kind of even 00:21:31.410 --> 00:21:34.430 the smallest change to your visuals, to your 00:21:34.430 --> 00:21:37.579 symbols could mean. oh that's different oh i 00:21:37.579 --> 00:21:41.039 don't like that and it's not that we can't provide 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.400 any change to routine for these children it's 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.240 just that in those moments where they need these 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:50.880 these this most actually the least change the 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:52.740 better because they're probably already feeling 00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:55.559 anxious about a change to come anyway but at 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:58.960 least the have the support systems as secure 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:03.059 and concrete yeah yeah and i think the predictability 00:22:03.059 --> 00:22:07.599 of it is is crucial because I think the world 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.019 overwhelmed if you're overwhelmed if it's all 00:22:10.019 --> 00:22:13.059 so much it's you need to know what you're going 00:22:13.059 --> 00:22:15.680 to see because if that what's in front of you 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:19.160 is the way that you communicate you tell you 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:22.140 express yourself if you don't have if it's suddenly 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:24.819 all completely alien to them then that's going 00:22:24.819 --> 00:22:26.559 to be really hard to adjust and it's just going 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:29.599 to compound really for them yeah I feel the same 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:31.119 and I suppose that's the benefit I didn't even 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:34.579 think about of something lasting so long is that 00:22:34.579 --> 00:22:37.680 it actually doesn't change like even the velcro 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:39.619 dots are in exactly the same place because we're 00:22:39.619 --> 00:22:41.880 not having to remake them you know we might think 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:44.000 it's the same thing that we're showing them but 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:47.160 they might not see it as the same yeah so it 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:48.859 might not be secure in that they might have to 00:22:48.859 --> 00:22:51.099 relearn what it means even though to us of course 00:22:51.099 --> 00:22:54.279 it means that actually they might think as laterally 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:58.799 as as that and actually the same so I suppose 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:01.380 if you're a parent and you're finding that send 00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:06.220 talk tags are helping at home then let your teacher 00:23:06.220 --> 00:23:08.259 know write it in the home school book share it 00:23:08.259 --> 00:23:10.380 on dojo or however you communicate with your 00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:13.220 school and just you know share the information 00:23:13.220 --> 00:23:15.700 and say have you seen this this is really helping 00:23:15.700 --> 00:23:18.059 us at home or if you're a teacher and you're 00:23:18.059 --> 00:23:19.700 finding that these are really helping at school 00:23:19.700 --> 00:23:25.380 share it with parents be um yeah they can you 00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:27.980 can uh all all get something that's the same 00:23:27.980 --> 00:23:31.109 because If a system is working in one area, it's 00:23:31.109 --> 00:23:34.089 more likely to be even more successful in everywhere 00:23:34.089 --> 00:23:36.670 if everyone's saying the same thing, using the 00:23:36.670 --> 00:23:39.630 same thing or using the same system. It's just 00:23:39.630 --> 00:23:41.190 going to be so much easier to navigate for our 00:23:41.190 --> 00:23:43.430 learners that already find the world so confusing. 00:23:44.829 --> 00:23:47.250 It's hard. It's very hard. But yeah, let's get 00:23:47.250 --> 00:23:51.079 send talk tags everywhere. yeah exactly and yeah 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.960 you're gonna have to uh upscale aren't you you're 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:55.900 gonna have to move out of your office and i've 00:23:55.900 --> 00:23:58.779 got five printers already they're going 24 7 00:23:58.779 --> 00:24:02.319 so we're gonna have to have i did have a carpenter 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.460 come and have a look to build some more racking 00:24:04.460 --> 00:24:11.380 for me so yeah i reckon i can get two lots in 00:24:11.380 --> 00:24:13.880 there but i might need a ladder To change the 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:16.559 filament. It's just so exciting, isn't it? And 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.519 it's certainly exciting for me because it means 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:21.799 all that time I was spending cutting, laminating, 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:23.779 recutting, because remember, we have to cut twice, 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:27.539 and printing and all of those things, all of 00:24:27.539 --> 00:24:29.819 that time that I've spent can then be spent on 00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:32.799 planning really amazing lessons, preparing really 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:35.559 fantastic sensory stories, writing sensory profiles 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:38.319 that meet their needs, you know. organizing team 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:40.700 around the child meetings that is really impactful 00:24:40.700 --> 00:24:42.660 organizing staff training that's really impactful 00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:45.420 all of those things fall to the wayside because 00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:48.980 we're just doing the basics all the time yeah 00:24:48.980 --> 00:24:51.619 and it's repetitive and it's you know your time 00:24:51.619 --> 00:24:55.059 got time restraints as it is and especially like 00:24:55.059 --> 00:24:57.420 even in the home setting you're you know you're 00:24:57.420 --> 00:24:59.619 not necessarily going to have the time to sit 00:24:59.619 --> 00:25:02.539 down and print out and like you say double cut 00:25:02.539 --> 00:25:05.420 and all of this it reduces the need for that 00:25:05.420 --> 00:25:07.799 um I think it's a huge barrier for parents as 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:09.500 well. You know, they don't have a laminator or 00:25:09.500 --> 00:25:11.279 a printer or even a computer at home. Lots of 00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.359 families don't. It's a huge barrier to then even 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:16.380 be able to start communication with your children 00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:20.519 in any sense. I often hear that at home. I say, 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.279 oh, I'll just send you the PDF and you can print 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.599 it now. And they say, no, I can't. Can you make 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:27.799 it? And I'm like, oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. 00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:30.759 So it stops that. You've already made. Yeah, 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:32.720 with everything's on our phone. So who has a 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.559 laptop anymore, really? Like, you know, the likelihood 00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:38.220 of having a printer, having a laminator, having 00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:41.900 ink. Having ink that's actually like not dried 00:25:41.900 --> 00:25:44.259 out because you haven't printed. And then the 00:25:44.259 --> 00:25:47.339 time on top of that. Yeah, no, I know. And I 00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:50.180 think, you know, you can, I've found a lot that 00:25:50.180 --> 00:25:52.980 people are, as you know, waiting long times to 00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:54.980 see speech therapists and might be on waiting 00:25:54.980 --> 00:25:57.980 lists for ages. And then often they. just send 00:25:57.980 --> 00:26:00.799 you a pdf or you know and it's like or they just 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.960 send you one laminated visual card and it's that's 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:09.359 okay for that week but when you know if you can't 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.880 produce things like this yeah i just feel like 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:13.880 all of our communication systems that we put 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:17.150 in place have to be robust for our children yeah 00:26:17.150 --> 00:26:19.890 children are very busy often sometimes very messy 00:26:19.890 --> 00:26:21.710 they need to go to horse riding they need to 00:26:21.710 --> 00:26:24.109 go to swimming i loved your post about your tags 00:26:24.109 --> 00:26:25.990 in the swimming pool about um all yours with 00:26:25.990 --> 00:26:28.309 your swimming um instructions on there i think 00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:30.869 why not have all of the instructions in the swimming 00:26:30.869 --> 00:26:32.309 pool no not it doesn't have to be about swimming 00:26:32.309 --> 00:26:34.750 be all of them i think that is so exciting you 00:26:34.750 --> 00:26:38.589 know all of our countdowns are so soggy and so 00:26:38.589 --> 00:26:41.559 i mean gosh the amount of them that have been 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:43.720 in the swimming pool i couldn't even tell you 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.599 but yeah horse riding and out and about you want 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.099 them at the snack table you want them for lunch 00:26:49.099 --> 00:26:51.920 you want but they just get messy you know and 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.660 um if they're wipeable and robust then and they 00:26:55.660 --> 00:26:59.640 can be disinfected like we use a we use like 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.160 an alcohol spray to clean them up before they 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.380 go so and they're fine we've got a swim teacher 00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:08.539 who i designed the swim flag for the fan for 00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:13.079 They're in chlorinated water. They're fine. So 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.160 we've had, actually recently, I've had a nurse 00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:20.579 get in touch, a paramedic, because these in a 00:27:20.579 --> 00:27:24.480 medical setting could be massive because you 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.240 can disinfect them. Yeah, of course, you can't 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.559 have chlorinated symbols in with their liquids. 00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:35.000 No. Yeah. So although there's so many places 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:38.099 where these, I think, will be useful, and especially 00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:42.019 as places are kind of realising that they need 00:27:42.019 --> 00:27:45.420 to be a bit more inclusive. Yeah. Or a lot more, 00:27:45.539 --> 00:27:48.160 yeah. Yeah, I was trying to be polite. You were 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.640 being very polite. Places need to be a lot more 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:54.519 inclusive. And I think it's on a lot of people's 00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:57.519 agendas that, you know, that they need these 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:02.240 resources to be accessible to people. you know, 00:28:02.259 --> 00:28:04.619 big businesses and hospitals and places like 00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:06.660 that don't want to have someone basically 24 00:28:06.660 --> 00:28:08.920 hours laminating. And like you say, they can't. 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.619 Hopefully these. So look at your products that 00:28:11.619 --> 00:28:13.059 you offer them. So you mentioned the emotion 00:28:13.059 --> 00:28:16.619 symbols. We've mentioned the swimming fan. Not 00:28:16.619 --> 00:28:18.819 got a set. We're going to do the nail next. Yes. 00:28:19.660 --> 00:28:21.779 You've also got some like core word ones. You've 00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:25.779 got like drink and... Yeah. So I use, call it 00:28:25.779 --> 00:28:29.920 my action set. Okay. It's just like a stop. and 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:36.660 go one with an eat and drink yeah yeah just kind 00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:40.700 of for really simple they're just your quick 00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:42.579 kind of things you would need things you say 00:28:42.579 --> 00:28:45.140 all the time yeah the things you need so there's 00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:47.819 that one which is really popular actually but 00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:52.500 then the big one the toilet one toilet yeah the 00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:55.160 toilet set's been huge and I think I've been 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.940 selling these a lot not to send parents to just 00:28:59.940 --> 00:29:03.140 people who are toilet training their children. 00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:06.740 Yeah. Because they can be, like we say, can be 00:29:06.740 --> 00:29:08.799 cleaned and disinfected and dropped down the 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.160 toilet, which I have a set that has been dropped 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:13.099 down the toilet and it's fine because we just 00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:17.059 cleaned it up. Yeah, of course. Yeah. I love 00:29:17.059 --> 00:29:19.380 this one. That's my favourite type of wall. Brilliant. 00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:21.940 I mean, I saw that. I just loved it. Yeah, it's 00:29:21.940 --> 00:29:24.200 such a great idea and it's often really tricky 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.839 for children to understand and navigate. You 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.339 know, learning to toilet, food time, stopping, 00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:31.140 going, my turn, your turn. I know you've got 00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:33.460 all my turn and wait symbols, which are fantastic. 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:38.000 They might have been stolen off of you. They're 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.900 fantastic. So they're, because they're also like 00:29:40.900 --> 00:29:43.380 3D bridges to the heart. Yeah, we have a stop 00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:45.400 and go. They're going to be backwards, aren't 00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.519 they? Sorry. No, they're not actually. I couldn't 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:53.380 see them happening. again they're robust aren't 00:29:53.380 --> 00:29:55.119 they whilst somebody's waiting for their turn 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:58.200 they can be fiddling with the weight symbol and 00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:00.700 it doesn't matter whereas for mine they might 00:30:00.700 --> 00:30:03.299 get torn and you have to keep remaking them every 00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:07.380 time I love it Sophie you know I love your products 00:30:07.380 --> 00:30:11.460 so much yeah and I'm so pleased to see that so 00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:13.440 many people are finding you and buying from you 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.519 it's just it's just awesome It is amazing. I 00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:17.660 want to see them in every household and every 00:30:17.660 --> 00:30:20.019 school, honestly. I don't know if I've got enough 00:30:20.019 --> 00:30:21.960 time for that at the moment. We're going to get 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.579 there. We'll get there. I have no doubt that 00:30:24.579 --> 00:30:26.859 you will. I have no doubt. I have big plans. 00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:29.500 If people are listening or watching at home, 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.839 where can they find more about you on social 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:35.059 media and your website? So I am on Instagram 00:30:35.059 --> 00:30:39.019 and TikTok and Facebook on just send talk tags. 00:30:39.140 --> 00:30:42.579 So S -E -N talk tags. And then my website is... 00:30:42.809 --> 00:30:45.609 just you can just google send talk tags and I 00:30:45.609 --> 00:30:48.410 pop up but yeah great branding for somebody that 00:30:48.410 --> 00:30:49.930 didn't know what they were doing you've done 00:30:49.930 --> 00:30:52.730 an amazing job and all of your branding and everything 00:30:52.730 --> 00:30:55.170 is so great and your visuals are amazing and 00:30:55.170 --> 00:30:57.150 I just think you've obviously got such a well 00:30:57.150 --> 00:30:58.910 you always got such passion for it personally 00:30:58.910 --> 00:31:02.509 yeah anyway but um you've also got such a great 00:31:02.509 --> 00:31:05.549 eye for detail and yeah I'm excited to see what 00:31:05.549 --> 00:31:06.910 this next year is going to look like for you 00:31:06.910 --> 00:31:10.269 yeah I'm very excited I think you know we're 00:31:10.269 --> 00:31:13.390 gonna we're gonna do big things you are i'm excited 00:31:13.390 --> 00:31:16.170 to see thank you so much for joining me on the 00:31:16.170 --> 00:31:16.869 podcast today