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is where you're going to get it with your host
JoJo and Tamika aka Meek Meek aka Encore aka
doesn't know what she's getting into because
I'm not prepared for this pod I did not watch
the homework any documentaries which I love documentaries
but I was just out of the loop I've been moving
everyone Your girl's moving. So she's been busy.
Okay. So anyway, we about to go straight into
it. Cause I got some shit to say. Okay. All right.
First of all, you know how they say curiosity
kills the cat. Well, what was that? I thought
the first one was really good. The second one.
iffy all right well listen i was the cat because
i definitely watched that chris brown documentary
that investigation discovery put together i do
not plan on watching it i will not watch it that
i told you not to watch that was me until i saw
it pop up and i was like to see it i felt like
i knew everything that they were gonna talk about
so i didn't have to see it i'm not even gonna
hold you Not even going to hold you. They threw...
What don't we already know? Baby, listen. Okay,
so I'm going to just start off by saying they
are really comparing this man, Chris Brown, to
R. Kelly and P. Diddy. They are putting him in
the same category as them two. Which I feel like
is a bit far -fetched because he's not messing
with children. He's not messing with children
or anything like that. But according to the documentary,
there were some allegations. We can't say it
for the internet purposes, but some forcible
allegations. Let's dig deep into it, shall we?
Now you know. Okay. I'm not even going to hold
you. I was one of those people who was like,
who can't really. No, I think I can separate
the artist from the person. But. I can sometimes.
Now. It becomes a little. That documentary had
me side -eyed, my boy. Really? It got me side
-eyed. And I only say that because whoever put
this together literally thought. this through
every time they were talking about um and i'm
just briefly generally give you the scope before
i dig deep every time they were talking about
an allegation or like something that happened
between him and a woman or an incident with a
woman you know how when you're watching something
you have a thought and you're you're like skeptical
like not like the why like no why would that
yeah x y and z blah blah blah before you could
even get your thought out They would pop open,
not pop open, but they would pop to a next scene
with a professional, like a psychological professional.
Yeah. That's literally answering every question
in your mind. I'm not even joking, bro. Every
time they said something and I'm thinking and
I'm listening to the scenarios and I'm like,
yeah, I could see that. That's wrong. But also,
and then. An industry professional would pop
in and say, well, you know, predators really
do X, Y, and Z to their victims because blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'd be
like, dang. Damn, so they say a predator? For
sure. For sure. Okay, so let me start. Of course,
they were talking about the whole Rihanna situation.
I feel like that's the situation he's never going
to get away from. No. Like ever. But. They had
new information that we ain't never heard. About
that situation? Yes. I'm not even going to hold
you. I ain't never seen the police report. So
they had police reports. And then I believe it
was either. I forget. It was a black woman. She
was either. i knew she worked with the lapd i
don't know if she was on the force during the
case or if she was like the detective or something
like that but she was connected to the original
case or whatever the case may be so we all know
that somebody on the lapd are the ones who leaked
that information about that just like they leaked
the information of um kobe's death before it
was even solidified yeah who the heck is out
there who leaking shit y 'all y 'all on somebody
payroll but somebody can pay a hefty coin listen
they said we ain't protecting nothing we we tmz
we tmz out here so check it so they were talking
about the fight they they even said that and
i've never heard this and let me know if you've
heard this because i don't remember hearing this
they said that in the report Um, you know when
it was going back and forth which you know We
know about all that other stuff about the keys
and about the other stuff. They're on their way
back to the crib She's on the phone fake phone
call with her assistant. She tried to call her
assistant. Her assistant didn't pick up She tried
to act like she was on the phone with her assistant
and she was like, oh We'll make sure the cops
are there when I'm there mind you she's not on
the phone with anybody, right? Chris hears this
and he's like, oh you want to call the mf and
cops? B i'ma kill you or something like that.
I was like I've never heard this conversation
in the original... Am I tripping? Did I hear
this? I feel like I heard something like this.
Something similar to that? I feel like it because
they didn't go back to the house. They even said
in their... Did they go back to the house? It
said they did. Like wait till we get to the house.
I'm gonna kill you or some shit like that. And
they also said that he was choking her to the
point to where she couldn't breathe. I don't
remember any choking. I remember them saying
something about biting. I remember the biting.
Keys being thrown. Punched in the face. I got
all of that. I don't. baby listen they they were
saying that this man was verbally threatened
threatening and all this other stuff like they
they was bringing to like some new stuff we ain't
never heard before and i was like where the receipts
they had a receipt so they only gave you a little
bit no they when it happened what you talking
about oh um you know what and that's what that's
where i think pr came into play when it was happening
i feel like pr pr is like let's just give them
enough let's just give them the bite yes let's
like give and take yes what's the harsh stuff
but we're not gonna give them everything but
we will give you the biting because we can explain
that and and we can't we can't take away the
fact that you know the punch in the face because
we have We have photographs. Yeah, you was definitely
punching the face. We have photographs. So, of
course, the industry expert comes on and talks
about, you know, how she's this big figure or
whatever and how victims tend to go back to their
abuser because just a week after that, and this
is where it comes into play, a week after that,
they had photos of them two at Diddy's house.
And I remember on, it was a talk show, I think
it was Ellen. Ellen Diddy did say, you know,
I think they're just two young kids in love.
A mistake happened. I do remember that. And I
helped them through their situation. So they
actually have photos of them two at Diddy's house
afterwards. I do remember this. Like a week afterwards.
Where is this going? Baby, listen. But remember,
then they were saying, you know, of course they
split up. We know they split up. And then remember
when they got back together like years later.
And then. To the eye, it's kind of like, okay,
they're back together. They're trying to do this
united front or whatever. Like, if she forgave
him, why can't we? That was our thought process.
And that's what I was thinking when I was reading
this. Didn't they? An industry professional came
back on and made me rethink some things. Oh,
my gosh. And then they was talking about how,
which I forgot about this, he did cheat on Rihanna
with Carucci. Well, actually, from the way they
told it, he was with Carucci. when he went back
to rihanna i heard that yeah so that made me
think like dang and you were cheating around
for a minute for a minute and she worked at nordstrom
i know baby listen baby listen come pick me up
while i'm at nordstrom retail store look i bet
that made nordstrom's uh stuff go up So they
talking about this, they talking about Karuchi
and they was like, well, you know, because this
was a high profile level relationship or whatever,
an abuser is not going to do that again because
you can't, he, that, that will forever follow
him. Now you get somebody that's, uh, that's
not in the limelight. That's just a regular person
that you can do whatever you want. And it's not
going to come back to you tenfold or people are
not going to really bat an eye on that because
she's not a public figure like Rihanna. That's
why you went to get the girl to work in Nordstrom's?
I say, dang, that make you think. That make you
think. I mean, okay, hold on. But then Karrueche
ended up becoming famous. It makes you think,
but then it don't because. I just went through
that. I'm not trying to go through that. I'm
not trying to go through that again. I'm going
to get someone. That's what we think. In a different
light. But then we also know that he was, I mean,
he was on camera abusive to Karuchi, like mentally.
We don't know what he was doing at the crib,
but we do have cameras of him, especially when
he had the baby on her, of him forcing himself,
like following her, stalking pretty much. I mean,
he was following her for sure. And then there
was, they had footage of him grabbing her. The
friend like get out the car. He forces his way
into the car going wherever they going. She's
like, I don't want you in here. Like they have
footage of all of that. Now in between all of
this and this, I did not know about, um, they
had this one blonde, of course. let me just let
me just start off by saying none of these women
to my knowledge are black and i say to my knowledge
because one of the girls that actually spoke
out about um the allegation um they had her blurred
out they had her blurred out she had the voice
change and all that other stuff right but let
me let me start with this one girl okay okay
so one uh blonde girl They had her face blurred
out, but this was a body cam of a police officer.
She came in to file a report, crying, and was
like, yeah, you know, some people approached
me and was like, you know how the groupies do.
Somebody approached you like, hey, you trying
to meet Chris Brown? She's like, yeah, I'm trying
to meet Chris Brown. So she go back on the tour
bus, didn't even fully get on the bus. He look
at her and he like. hell nah somebody get her
off right so security literally picks her up
by her arms and kind of like um uh like try to
like place her off of the bus yeah now this is
where it gets a little shaky it's doing a lot
but this is where it gets a little shaky like
did she misstep and fall or did they push her
you get what i'm saying they're saying they pushed
her off the bus that that's what her thing did
now the reason why we didn't the public didn't
hear or we probably didn't hear about that for
real it was very short -lived only because she
filed a report um his fans got a hold of it shutting
that shit down she was being threatened yeah
she came back and she took the she took it back
she didn't get paid or nothing and then after
that happened an industry professional came on
and was like even though he was not the one that
physically did this somebody from his team did
it on his command like they threw you off the
bus I don't know but also you're not about to
look at me and be like hell no I'm leaving by
choice I'm leaving by choice and I'm crying and
that's that's exactly that was my thought too
until the industry professional came on and made
me second guess literally everything that you
were thinking in this documentary somebody came
on right after and gave a reasoning to why to
make you actually think about another perspective
which was brilliant in a way fucking with you
it's fucking with me for sure like because now
it's like do I separate the artist from the person
but then we also know that strength is in numbers
and if if this is a repetitive thing because
there's more stuff that we need to get to a lot
more even over in Paris but I'm gonna get there
if this is a repetitive thing and we know that
strength are in numbers we we can't separate
the artist from the person we have to treat it
as one entity because this is how he makes his
money If we completely stop streaming and all
that, which is how he's getting his money, because
let's be honest, industry is not messing with
him right now. So the only thing that's holding
him down is the diehard fans. True. If the streaming
stops, that's the only thing that's going to
be like, okay, I fucked up. But what's real and
what's not. What's real and what's not. But also,
I don't know. These allegations, babes. It's
a lot. And a lot of them got pushed to the side.
But of course, we're not going to, like they
said, we're not going to hear about it because
they're not a Rihanna. They're not a Carucci.
Yeah. They're regular degulars that went through
this situation. Now, next. Paris. girl also non
-black she was also non -white i don't know what
she was i don't know what she was um but she
was a blonde she came on and she was like okay
you know um she came on camera she was like you
know i i mean When you're at a Chris Brown concert,
you know about the allegations. You saw the pictures,
but you're not thinking about that in the moment.
You're just like, oh, I can get backstage. Cool.
So they end up inviting her to a party or whatever.
They were sitting out. This is where I was like,
all right, bitch. They specifically said, no
phones, no cameras, no none of that. You just
here to meet Chris whatever. So she go in there
with her peoples. She's like, there's drugs everywhere.
Not in. And I'm glad they clarified this. He
was not pushing drugs on anybody. Okay. The drugs
were just out. If you want them, here they go.
Yeah. But also we know it's not a secret. He's
on drugs. It's not a secret that any of these
musicians are on drugs. For sure. Sad to say
that's a part of the lifestyle. But he was not
forcing drugs upon anybody. They were just laying
there like a freaking party favor. So she was
like, yeah, he was acting a little weird, a little
funny. Bitch, he's high. He's high. Okay, cool.
So he's acting weird, a little funny. So I decided
to take my phone out and get a picture. They
said no phones. They said no phones. That's the
first thing I heard you say when you gave me
the list. They said what, Tamika? No phones.
No phones. So why? And your rabbit. Why would
you take your phone out and get a picture and
he's acting weird? And drugs are everywhere.
Why is that a thing? Clearly they don't want
that out there. This is a party. We chilling.
Yeah. So. She was like, granted, I know they
said no phones, but what happened to me next
should not have happened. Now, that's where I
feel like victim is thin. It's thin. It's thin
right there because for every action is a reaction.
I'm not going to hold you, nor do I condone anything
that he did that I'm about to say. But I definitely,
if I was in his position, I would have got one
of my homegirls to whip her ass. I'll hold you.
If I say no phones, why you got your phone out?
Like no phones. Baby, listen. And if he's acting
funny, he's high. He's not in his right mind.
Again, not an excuse. Right. But he's not in
his right mind. You know this. You take out your
phone anyway. Just so happens, as you're taking
out your phone, he's looking up at you. I'm scared.
He lunges. I'm scared. No, no, motherfucker.
I ain't gonna hold you. You got a nigga on drugs?
Or anybody. I'm scared. I'm not even going to
be in that environment. If I see you got a cute
little party face instead of wings, you got coke,
I'm out. Oh, you're not going to any of the parties.
I'm not going to any of the parties. You're not
going to any of the parties. Listen. And we've
been to parties. In my eye, I'm Stevie Wonder
in the place. I'm Stevie Wonder. But listen,
listen, listen, please. I'm handing out the platter.
He lunges at her, punches her, and then tells
security, get her ugly ass out of here. Call
her out, her name, all that. And then security
take her phone, throws it, breaks it. I was about
to say. For sure. They break the phone, kick
her out, boom. She goes on out of her mouth to
say, I knew they said no phones and I took my
phone out anyway, but that was no excuse for
him to do what he did, nor did they have to break
my phone. All they had to do was just tell me
to leave and I would have left. And that's where
I started thinking, what are you thinking at
that point? I don't know if you would have left.
I think you would have gotten combative if they
would have took your phone and then asked you
to leave. Well, because you have my phone. Because
you have my phone. I want my phone. But also,
if I told you no phone. We're her friends. You
came in here with people. First off, my friends,
we're not coming. We're not separating. And we're
going everywhere as a group, especially when
we ain't supposed to have our phones. I'm definitely
not taking out my phone. Definitely not taking
out my phone. I'm surprised they didn't take
her phone at the door. That's what I'm trying
to figure out. But I'm going to be like, I believe
that I need my phone. I'm trying to figure out,
did they take it and she say, I ain't had no
phone? There was some stuff that I felt like
was missing. Because I feel like if this is a
no -fo party, I'm not trusting y 'all not to
take y 'all phone out and sneak in nothing. I'm
taking your stuff at the door. That's why you
get the zippy bags. Yeah. Unless you physically
said, oh, no, I ain't got no phone. Look at my
outfit. Y 'all like, hey, she got to go. Yeah.
Let me have my phone and I will leave. Yes. Let
me have my phone and I will leave. Well, baby,
listen. And then I'm getting my ass beat. They
broke the hell out that phone and kicked her
ass out the party. I get that. But then I would
have been wondering, like, is it in the cloud?
Whatever videos you took because I definitely
would have took your phone broken and kicked
you out Oh, yeah, we are we are in it, but I
don't know when this was they didn't say when
it was I think this might have been like Not
early to that, but it definitely after the Rihanna
situation. Yeah, but I punched you but I was
like, oh but also you want a psychologist say
or just like who was it the experts the expert
I don't remember what they said about her. The
only thing I was flabbergasted about was they,
they showed the clips. Um, cause now the thing
is, I do remember the clips coming out of Chris
going on an Instagram rant. Talk about some,
this ugly bitch came to like, I would never let
you in my party. Have you seen what you look
like? Like he was talking cash trash, but I never
knew the situation, what the situation was, what
the situation was. Now the documentary bringing
stuff to life. Yeah. And then he had some other
stuff in Paris about him forcing. But it was
unclear whether he did it or the people he was
with forced himself on the girl. Very unclear.
But that time, the Paris police was paid off.
That time. That time. They did have proof of
that. What? And if you're being paid off, that's
what? A little guilt guilt. ice your little guilt
guilt for sure whether it was you or somebody
in your camp you're you're a public figure yeah
even if it wasn't physically you you're always
going to be associated with that you're a public
figure okay you gotta tread lightly i don't condone
any of these actions my question is why would
you laugh i'm not laughing i'm just preparing
myself no no no my question is has any of this
happened when he wasn't on drugs like is this
just who you are or is this how you are on drugs
and also your party is fucking trash like you're
the people you keep around you dance trash this
is a common thing with celebrities when they
start fucking up you can't be fucking up you
can't or they be kissing your ass too much to
check you yep so what is it do you got a drug
problem or you just Or do you got an anger issue
problem? Boundary -less individual. The thing
is, we know, and the industry professionals said
this, they said the anger problem stems from
his childhood. They said that. About seeing his
mama beat up. He said that. And, you know, that's
where most victims, I mean, that's where most,
you know, abusers get it from. It starts from
the childhood and da -da -da. Yeah, they said
that. So, they was really breaking it down. He
said that. Now, the next one. This is the one
that was shielding herself and everything. She
was like, when I came public with this before,
because they did ask her, why are you not coming
on camera? She was like, because last time when
I went public, girl, and my nosy ass again. I'm
so nosy. I tried to go. I couldn't find it. I
couldn't find it. I couldn't find it, bro. She
was like, last time I went, which tells me this
had to have been early 2000s. She was like, when
I came out before, the internet tore me up. And
I did not want to go through that again. But
I felt like I needed to tell my story now. They
was like, why now? Why now? She was like, I've
been through therapy. I've been able to digest
everything. And I've been able to kind of cope
with the situation at hand. So I feel like he
does not need to do this again. This is a pattern
that he's clearly doing. And I need to go ahead
and speak out so that this doesn't continue to
happen. So her story was new in L .A. And I feel
like most people can sympathize with this story.
You're new in L .A. You have maybe one, two people
that you know that moved out here from your hometown.
She wants to be a dancer. Her homeboy hit her
up like, hey, I'm at this boat party. Mind you,
the boat belonged to Diddy. I'm at this boat.
Every chance they could, I'm going to just say
this. Every chance they could add Diddy in there,
they linked it. Now, I'm at this boat party.
Chris Brown is here. Come, you know, shoot your
shot. Let them know that you're new in town,
whatever. So she comes or whatever. And she's
talking to Chris, you know, about how she's a
dancer and all that other stuff. And she said
he really did give her encouraging words like,
A, like, don't stop the grind. Like, this industry
can swallow you whole, whatever, whatever, boop
-de -boop -de -boom. So she said they talking,
they having a good time. He's giving her a drink.
She said, now this is where it gets a little
foggy because I didn't exactly see him pour my
drink. Rule number one. But also, you're young.
You're young. Nobody probably told you that.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. So. giving
me drink i start to feel woozy you know she's
thinking maybe she was drugged or it could be
maybe you just can't hold your liquor who knows
either way you're intoxicated she said that he
whispers in her ear hey come on let's go talk
somewhere um you know silently they go she said
all of a sudden next thing you know he's like
on top of her inside her and then afterwards
Like, when he's finished, he takes her phone,
puts his number in there, and like, hey, call
me so we can link up sometime. Oh, this sounds
familiar. Yeah. I said the same thing. The industry
professional came up. Okay. They was like, you
know what? When you're in a vulnerable situation
like that, one, you know. it's clear that she's
intoxicated and then you ask her let's go somewhere
silently she did not physically give you consent
you know yes or no but then what he made it do
is he tried to gaslight her give him the number
and be like come on let's link up as if she consented
to this yes so that's what that's that was their
positioning on that so she was like afterwards
it was kind of like and i get that i get it because
she was young it's kind of like Did this happen
to me? Yeah. Yeah. Or was I really that drunk
to where I was like, yeah, like, you know? Yeah.
What really happened? So she was like, all right,
well, I mean, he hit me up. It's Chris Brown.
I'm going to hit him up. Yeah. So they started
having these conversations. And she was like,
now that I think about it, we FaceTimed a lot.
You can't really record FaceTime. Not then. Not
then. But she was like, you can't really record
FaceTime and stuff like that. So she was talking
about that. They used to send pictures of each
other back and forth. They used to literally
hang out. Yeah. I forget what happened next.
But I do remember her saying, like, after. therapy
or it was an incident where he just like stopped
hitting her up completely um i don't know why
yeah i don't know why he stopped hitting her
like i feel like i'm missing something because
there was so so much stuff i was watching um
but anyway she was saying how she went through
therapy or whatever just to kind of like make
peace and make sense of everything um and then
it kind of dawned on her like like you was forced
upon you know so she ends up going to a lawyer
or whatever and tries to show them proof now
i do remember this case i remember that got thrown
out it got thrown out because it said lack of
evidence or something but on his end he had the
text messages but it didn't have it didn't have
his responses it only had her replies like why
aren't you talking to me and but it doesn't have
his response. And now when you look at hers,
it has his response. It has his response. Of
course. Are you deleting stuff? But his responses
to some stuff, which was previously was like,
okay. Or it was like short word response after
they stopped talking. Yeah. Yeah. And then he
completely stopped after that. But she didn't
have. And this is where I got a little iffy.
Because she didn't have. Certain evidence and
stuff. Because she said she got a new phone.
Which is. If some time went past. You're not
going to think to hold on to this. Of course
not. I get it. Especially when you gaslight into
thinking. Oh he want me. And I. So this is when,
um, the lawyer was just basically like, I can't,
I can't take this case on only because of the
lack of evidence. She was like, but I do know
somebody who could take the case, but she was
feeling so discouraged about the situation that
he was lying. But then come to find out there.
Oh, okay. This is what I'm missing. The reason
why she said she couldn't take the case on after
they, after they submitted the evidence in and
all of that. And after she realized, okay, I
was forced upon, she was still reaching out and
texting Chris. Like, why aren't you talking to
me? Why? That happened. Why? That's when the
industry professional came out and said, it's
kind of like a Stockholm Syndrome. Like, I'm
a victim. I was captive. Not physically captive,
but mentally captivated by this because he is
such a big figure. And I know it was wrong, but
also I felt like even though it was wrong, I
felt like we grew something within that time
we was messaging and all of that. It is the,
it's the direction that they were going. Yeah.
And it kind of makes you, yeah, it kind of makes
you like. rethink some stuff but at the end completely
at the end of the documentary they had like a
like a little sister circle moment with different
people from like hotlines and different stuff
just like talking about the different signs to
look for and all that other stuff it was a very
informative documentary definitely had me thinking
this is my question now why did she start going
to therapy in the first place She started going
to there. I think she she was really conflicted
and battling with herself because she felt like
She went to therapy for this Issue yes Okay beat
that was my reaction to because she felt like
Did he I feel like he did But he's messaging
me talking to me like he did and I think when
he stopped communicating with her and she was
feeling some type of way it's kind of like well
wait a minute let me step back and reassess some
stuff yeah and i think that's where it rolled
out again because i believe this is after she
came out the first time and then she tried to
double back and like why aren't you talking to
me you know yeah i don't know it's it's such
a sticky situation and i hate it so much and
you would think that you would learn from this
yeah and i would hate to say that this is a it's
a repetitive thing It's repetitive. It does get
sticky. Sticky, icky, icky. Because we're on
the outside looking in. I feel like whenever
drugs are involved, it's like... Like, I can't
make any excuse for anyone and the things that
they do when they're on drugs. But also, drugs
really be fucked you up. And that's where it
really comes... it really comes oh they they
was also talking about when he remember when
he um checked himself into rehab he checked himself
into rehab his his mom came to visit and i guess
like he was feeling so homesick he wanted to
go with his mom his mom was like no you need
to stay here a little bit longer he got mad followed
his mom outside and threw a brick through a car
window I ain't even going to hold you. But the
elders down south always said, however you treat
your mama is how you treat your women. Yeah.
So now that right there, I feel like that right
there is when I was like, oh, he did it. Baby,
listen, you did it. That's when he was like,
you did it. Because if you throwing a brick through
your mama's car window. I think it's just, did
you come up thinking that's okay? Or were you
in withdrawals? I just don't trust none of the
drugs. Once it gets in your system, you do certain
stuff. But I don't know. I don't do drugs. Yeah,
I don't know either. So would it really take
me out of my character that much? I feel like
the hard stuff would, but you only get the hard
stuff when you start making money like that.
But my thing is, what? I'm not saying that everybody
is like this, but I feel like when you're signing
these young kids at a young age, you're getting
this boy from this country -ass town that's in
and out of rehab, that has trauma, and you are
not putting resources in to kind of help him
yet to develop before he gets big enough. On
a different level to fuck some shit up more.
Because once you get to a certain level. You
start getting money. It's up from there. You
feel like you're invincible. As we're seeing
with all of these celebrities. Doing this crazy
shit now. It's ridiculous. And that brings me
to. So they definitely need to have something
in place. They should. Which I don't even think
they do now. And they still seize. You want to
know why they don't though? Why? They make more
money. When their artist is either in jail or,
God forbid, six feet underground. Oh, yeah. I
heard that. Because sales go up. And they get
insurance policies off of these boys. I did hear
that, too. That's ridiculous. That is ridiculous.
There's no amount of fame in this world. Like,
I get that with your talents, you can be able
to, you know, get your people out the gutter
or whatever the case may be. Have a life that
you've only dreamt of come true. But to what
extent are you willing to go for it? Mm -hmm.
Oh, whatever extent. You need. And they know
that. The companies don't care about you. They
don't. They know that. We are in the business
of making money. But would it hurt you to have
something like that put in place? Have a psychiatrist?
Even if you don't come from, you know, a rough
upbringing or anything. if you're well off you
still gonna need a psychiatrist to take you through
this fame shit look the thing about it is though
they're not gonna have that because what a healthy
patient or a healthy artist is not a profitable
one the more fucked up you are the more money
we can make off of you that is true and that
brings me to my next documentary that i'll watch
which is meg the hot girly herself what's good
did she even have to have one i felt like i know
everything again wait i just said and then i'm
like what they said what but also yeah not even
gonna hold you or i've already made up all these
stories in my mind where i feel like i know everything
not gonna hold you we got no answers from the
from from i'm not surprised no answers i feel
like in my wholehearted opinion which she did
need some sort of PR to kind of sway her name
a little bit. Sway her name a little bit. Okay,
so I will say she did not mention party at all.
For what? She did not mention that at all. In
my mind, if you're having a documentary, I need
everything. Nobody cares. But my thing is though.
You dated him? You cheated on him? Basically.
But my biggest thing is, okay, now she did admit
that she lied. on Gail's what's -her -name about
sleeping with Tori. Oh, well, baby, if that wasn't
obvious. If that wasn't obvious, we know that.
Everyone know y 'all was talking. But honestly,
just like she said, at the end of the day, yes,
me and my best friend had beef. Why is that important?
Yes, I messed with Tori Lanes. Why is that important?
The fact is I have a hole in my foot. Yeah. That
is the only thing people should be worried about.
Granted, the whys, and I feel like this is where
people get shit misconstrued. We don't need to
know the whys of anything. It is evident. The
hole is in her foot. But they want to know who
did it. They want to know who did it. That's
what the case is. And that's why you got to go
back to the why. That's why you got to go back
to the why. I mean, I feel personally as somebody
who... who likes a level of privacy. Baby, I
got shot in the foot. He the one who did it.
Hear me, hear me. What was the point of bringing
it back up? Everything's been going well for
her. Well, it was a good... right he he's still
talking his job but i think he'll talk and shit
to be completely honest after watching the documentary
i feel like it was more for her than it was for
us i feel like it was more therapeutic because
she did give us a little bit of insight of um
her how her mom passed away in 2019 because she
had a brain tumor her mom was her number one
thing her mom was her manager she was also saying
how she was physically performing but she was
never happy the people around her was drinking
and she was drinking which came into play that
that kind of bottled up which came into play
with her fucking mitori lanes and how every friend
ain't your friend and kind of but what really
shocked me i knew that her and kelsey was friends
but i never knew the extent of their friendship
they've been friends yeah from back in texas
yeah baby you switch up on me like that we knew
that i knew that i didn't know that i didn't
follow the case and i knew that i didn't know
that that after his baby album and everything
came out you know what she didn't mention though
he was my best friend you know she didn't mention
though what she didn't mention that they was
at kylie's house oh everybody knew that yeah
everybody knew that but i'm saying the documentary
left out certain things on purpose that's why
i was like i feel like she just didn't say it
in the doc yeah i feel like because it is again
why does it matter why does it matter yeah exactly
but i think yeah i was at somebody rich yeah
but i think people were expecting detail to detail
to detail to detail because what they wanted
to know was who shot you yep are you gonna switch
it up from who shot you yep Now now that she
says she went and lied on Gil King. Everybody
gonna think you're a liar. Yep. After we already
knew y 'all. But she even said I said that because
I didn't want the conversation to be swayed by.
But it ended up being that conversation anyway
because she hesitated. So that ended up being
a conversation anyway. But it's also like why?
I don't even know why Gil asked that question.
I mean, the people wanted to know. They wanted
to know. For sure. It's television entertainment.
Like, yes, I was sleeping with him. Yes, my friend
was sleeping with him. We was upset about it,
but he shot me. Mm -hmm. Because then they want
to know, well, who shot you? It's just too messy,
and it's still messy, and now it brings it up
again, especially now that Tory is in the headlines.
He's talking about suing his lawyer because it
was Roc Nation. Or his lawyer has something to
do with Roc Nation or something, which of course
Meg was signed under. So now he feel like everything
was all messed up. Oh my gosh. My thing with
that whole situation is I don't know the story.
It's messy. But y 'all was fucking. You shot
her. Time had passed in between. If you would
have shut the fuck up, then maybe. she wouldn't
have came out because time had passed you made
a whole album antagonizing and poking at her
and then had a damn horse leg was cutting it
up in the music video and that's what she said
and this brings me to my point she said i lied
at first to say i didn't know who did it because
i did not want another black man in the system
and i feel like this is the same thing um oh
my gosh Who said this? Somebody recently. Dang,
I can't. And I wanted to make this valid point.
But anywho, somebody recently just said that
that's a celebrity. There's something going on.
Recently said the same thing. There is no way
in hell. You were not thinking about me in this
situation when you put that bullet in my foot
that I'm literally going to sit here and protect
you over my mental health. baby listen justice
needs to be served be humble justice needs to
be served also i'm not protecting you i get it
i get it i'm also not protecting but you wasn't
protecting me when you shot me that i don't have
feelings for we slept together a couple times
i don't have feelings and she said she said they
only slept together twice and she was She was
drunk both times. I don't know why that mattered.
But she also said, I think she brought up that
point that she was drunk because she was also
in mourning of her mother and she was substance
abuse. Okay, so she was in a different state.
Did you sleep with him or did you sleep with
him? I don't know why that mattered. I slept
with him. Yeah. it doesn't matter honestly i
wouldn't i wouldn't even said that i wouldn't
even i honestly wouldn't even say but i think
she wanted to say she wasn't really fucking with
him like that she was in a different headspace
that's why they had slept together but that it
don't even matter y 'all slept together don't
take away the fact it don't take away also nobody
cares people care oh people care people care
i mean i don't care because i don't like And
then she also felt some type of way about Kelsey,
like not having her back. I would feel some type
of way about that. Like, okay, I get it. You
was with him and I messed with your man. Whatever.
But for you to sit there and say you don't know
what happened? Baby, listen. I was there. I messed
with your man. You my best friend. We've been
friends for a decade. A decade. And was y 'all
getting married? I don't know. Like, I'm going
to be mad if somebody isn't sleeping with me.
I'll be pissed. I'll be pissed. But still, like
y 'all celebrities. Yeah. I don't know. We have
other problems. Yeah, girl. Then who's sleeping
with who? I'm sorry. I'm mega stallion. And then
she was like, while I was going through all this,
she also felt like nobody was in her corner.
She had to stay off the internet. She was going
through depression. Everybody was coming at her.
They were. Which I was confused about because
I'm like, but she did get shot though. Yeah.
are like you're a liar are we missing the fact
that this girl did she got shot i don't think
they should have came at her the way that they
came at her and it was no point of you coming
like i did get shot okay like you jealous baby
and when they did that the clip there was a clip
chris brown they did it in the mag yes that's
why i said they're kind of connected now if we
was on tiktok i know somebody could connect this
a mile away but i'm gonna just do a little bit
go back to ditties oh yeah and it is listen so
they had a clip where she was like in the men
in the industry i don't i don't understand how
y 'all can never have my back when the fact is
i got shot chris was on um it was one of those
gaming podcast it was like some sort of gaming
podcast or something and he mentioned you know
you know free my man free my man story lanes
and then there was another one another clip with
diddy and uh mind you these are the only two
clips they use of course there was a clip the
same person that made both documentaries no no
no it's not no because mags was on amazon and
then chris was on investigation she was not about
to do that so they had a clip of Diddy like on
live with Tory Lanez and him telling Tory Lanez,
you know, like you're my favorite R &B artist,
you know, so keep your head up. So of course
they had that. And I was like, dang, I was like,
but look, what's the likelihood that they make
that connection? Cause Meg's came out like October
31st and Chris's documentary came out like October
26th, 27th, something like that. they had a whole
bunch of people to pick from but anything hip
hop anything negative is gonna have Diddy and
I guess now Chris Brown and now R. Kelly they
putting him all in the same I mean R. Kelly for
sure but the question that dawns on me why now
I get why Meg did it now because she's finally
at a place where she can heal whatever the case
is over. Cool. But everything is going to open
back up. This is going to be a continuous conversation.
Honestly, I feel like it's always going to be
a continuous conversation because Tori is not
shutting up. It's always going to be a thing.
But my thing is why now with the Chris documentary
and then it's not a coincidence that that documentary
came out and then they got a clip of him bashing
a black woman again. Yeah. In this other documentary.
They trying to take him down. They taking him
down. But they already took him down. They ain't
never bring him back. But you know what's also
oddly crazy is. Right now the Grammys. He has
three Grammy nominations. I don't even think
he's allowed to perform. Why are y 'all nominating
him? He's probably not even allowed to attend.
That's what I said. He's not allowed to attend.
He's not allowed to perform. And remember the
AMAs. And then especially now that this documentary
is out, now that this documentary is out, they're
not going to have him there because it's not
going to look good for optics. Why have him in
the nominees? Why? Well, they can't say your
work is not speaking volumes. And that's where
it comes. Now, the industry, y 'all always saying
we can't do, we need to protect. We can't be
glorifying these abusers. But then you nominate
the man. But then it's like, okay, well, if y
'all aren't separating the artist from the person,
why should we be condemned for not separating
the artist from the person? That's a good point.
That's all I'm saying. That's a good point because
I don't know. That's all I'm saying. That's all
I'm saying. Like, I'm going to give you your
accolades, but you can't come. That's all I'm
saying. But you can't come. who's next but keep
checking the job who's next because they get
everybody out of here oh they do an investigation
on everything they say jay -z but i don't think
they gonna hit they ain't never gonna get jay
-z i don't think they gonna hit uh on tiktok
when they try to be like jay -z and beyonce they
never gonna get that but on tiktok a psychic
said that mc hammer was i was like please let
that man rest like i don't even want to hear
shit about mc hammer please i was already discombobulated
when they got uh bill cosby old ass let this
fucking 90 year old man like i don't even know
bro that's a whole nother story for it i don't
know i'm like what artist is good at this point
but then i thought selena gomez Honestly, I feel
like after we... I thought Selena, but you gonna
find something about everybody. Look, if we cancel
everybody, we ain't gonna have nothing to listen
to. Oh, well. Well, that's all I got for this
episode. That was a good one. That was a lot.
It was juicy. Like, I feel like I might want
to watch it, but also I don't want my opinions
to be tainted. You don't want the views to be,
yeah. Like, because I just went to Chris Brown
concert. And it was amazing. We go after that
like, it was amazing, man. Can I separate the
art from the person? Do I make up excuses? And
that's the biggest question. Because of drugs.
That is the biggest question. I don't know. I
like Meg. You know what, Meg? I'm over the story.
I will say. Do I love Tori? I fucking love Tori's
artistry. I don't know you as a person. See how
shitty? I don't know. I will say the documentary.
Showed me a different side of me. Yeah Because
well, that's because you didn't hear about it.
You didn't hear she was going through all this.
Yeah I mean I listened to the one album and I
heard that she was going through all this stuff.
Yeah, and I get it But also, it's like, who has
the time to, and this is another thing, because
I feel like everything in the entertainment industry
is so orchestrated that, okay, yes, you were
documenting stuff from 2019. Listen, you was
documenting stuff from 2019 when your mother
was still alive. Push them off. You have all
this footage right and then it was really cute
cuz she's in the anime So the stuff she didn't
have footage for it was like an anime that was
cute But you also you have behind -the -scenes
footage of you going through this trial That
gave me a little bit of pause I I guess to clear
her name But it's not clear. That could have
cleared nothing. That could have caused more
questions. And honestly, to give her the benefit
of the doubt, that could have been her PR and
her manager telling her, you need to do this.
Like, everything was beautiful from what I hear.
The animation, beautiful. The vulnerability,
beautiful. But then you had to bring up the case.
Because that's what people want to hear. So was
it just about the case? Yeah. Oh, so she did
a documentary just about the case. About her
mama. It really led into. Let it be about the
time of your life. Let it be you evolving as
a person. But that's the thing. That's what her
life. You got to think about how young she is.
Yeah. She literally came. You're still in school.
You got your mama. That is your rock. Your mom
passed away right at the start of your career.
And right at the start of your career. COVID
hit. And then you go through the shoot. So really
and honestly. This is your life. Okay. so i get
it better is it too early to wish for her and
the baby to make up no oh that they did another
clip of the baby too so he might be next oh my
god i forgot about that But that's one thing
I don't understand. How do you have so many songs
with me, but then you over here going to bring,
you going to bring Tory Lanez out on a set after
me? How dare you? He did that. You little midget.
He did that. That was, that was. That's disrespectful.
It was disrespectful. And it is a slap in my
face. And in the middle of the case. Because
I am going through all of this. It's a slap in
my face. But you was worried about your career.
And you like, let me bring out somebody that's
popular. Or did you do that on purpose? He had
to have did it on purpose. Nobody believed her.
But I'm not even going to hold you. Where the
baby at now? He trying to climb his way back.
He trying. It ain't working. Because he on the
diddy train right now, too. And he ain't even
got nothing to tell. You ain't even got nothing
to tell. Ain't got diddy in your mouth. That's
what he said, though. I ain't got nothing to
tell. Doofy. I don't know. All right. Well, that
brings us to the end of this podcast. But for
our unpopular opinion, I do believe that Stevie
Wonder can see just a little bit. He was not
always blind. I know he wasn't always blind,
but I feel like right now I feel like he can
see a little bit. He has memes of him holding
a camera. He fucking with you. Like my popular
opinion, Stevie be fucking with us. He might
be. But thank you for listening to Are We? everybody's
canceled everybody's canceled after this episode
bye y 'all