1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,520 Welcome to the deep dive. 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,040 We've got some really interesting stuff to dig into today. 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,120 Yeah, some fascinating sources about tech and business 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,400 and how they all played into this last election. 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,040 Right. 6 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:12,880 We're going to be focusing on this conversation between Mark 7 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Andreessen and Ben Horowitz. 8 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:15,920 Oh, yeah, the A16s guys. 9 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:16,720 Exactly. 10 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,440 Those are the co-founders of that big venture capital firm, 11 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,360 A16s. 12 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,000 And they're talking about what it's 13 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,640 been like trying to navigate the political landscape 14 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,560 and what they see coming down the road. 15 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,480 One of the things that really stood out to me 16 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,080 was how Andreessen and Horowitz see technology 17 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,560 as like this central thing to America's global strength. 18 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,240 Not just some little side issue. 19 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Right, they're connecting it directly to economic power 20 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,920 and military might. 21 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,360 It's all kind of intertwined for them. 22 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,360 It sounds like they're feeling way more optimistic about where 23 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,480 the tech industry is headed since the election. 24 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:49,760 Yeah, for sure. 25 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,440 Andreessen even talks about waking up happier now. 26 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,120 Wow. 27 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,720 It's really interesting how they use this term learned 28 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,160 helplessness to describe how tech founders were feeling 29 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,680 under the previous administration. 30 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Like they just gave up. 31 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,880 It's like they felt so beaten down by policies they saw 32 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,320 as holding them back that they kind of lost 33 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:08,480 their drive to innovate. 34 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,360 Just totally lost their mojo. 35 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,840 Yeah, exactly. 36 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,080 And you can almost feel this sense of liberation 37 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,040 in what they're saying now. 38 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,360 Like, oh, weight's been lifted. 39 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:16,920 Exactly. 40 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,600 They don't hold back on their criticisms 41 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,080 of the previous administration either. 42 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,520 They definitely don't mince words. 43 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,840 They even call it unprecedented in its hostility 44 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,800 towards the tech industry. 45 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,840 And they bring up debanking as a big example. 46 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,920 Right, debanking. 47 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,000 So for anyone who's not familiar with that term, 48 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,640 it's basically when financial institutions are pressured 49 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,440 to cut off certain businesses. 50 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,840 Yeah, and what's really striking is that they're saying, 51 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,840 this tactic was usually used against foreign countries. 52 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,120 Like we're going to sanction you. 53 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,360 Right, but Andreessen and Horowitz 54 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,200 argue that it was actually used against American fintech 55 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,240 and crypto companies. 56 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,480 So basically targeting their own citizens. 57 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Yeah, it's a pretty serious accusation. 58 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,600 They actually compare it to sanctions imposed 59 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,120 on countries like Iran. 60 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,160 Like they're saying the government basically 61 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,840 sanctioned American citizens without any due process. 62 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:05,640 Whoa. 63 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,960 And then they share this story about a company that 64 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,880 was trying to help out low wage workers. 65 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,200 Sounds like a good thing. 66 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,960 They were providing free loans, but then they 67 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,000 got targeted by the CFTP, the Consumer Financial Protection 68 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:18,880 Bureau. 69 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,800 So that's where the government steps in. 70 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,600 Right. 71 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,760 It really makes you think about, like, who are these regulations 72 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,000 actually protecting? 73 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,560 Is it really about the consumer or is it something else? 74 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,840 Yeah, is there another agenda at play here? 75 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,040 And then they get into this whole crypto crackdown. 76 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,080 Oh, yeah, which they see as another example of regulators 77 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,200 kind of going overboard. 78 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,480 Stifling innovation. 79 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,240 Right. 80 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,120 And they bring up this interesting anecdote 81 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,640 about the Amish community. 82 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:43,680 The Amish? 83 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,160 What do they have to do with crypto? 84 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,720 Well, it's not about crypto specifically. 85 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,320 It's more about this idea of government overreach. 86 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,600 You wouldn't necessarily think of the Amish 87 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,760 getting involved in politics. 88 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:56,260 Right. 89 00:02:56,260 --> 00:02:57,680 They kind of stay out of things. 90 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:58,400 Yeah. 91 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,400 But they actually supported the winning candidate 92 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,120 in the recent election because they 93 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,520 had been targeted for something you wouldn't expect. 94 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:05,480 What was that? 95 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,880 Selling unpasteurized milk. 96 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:07,560 Oh, wow. 97 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,000 I would not have seen that coming. 98 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,120 It seems kind of random. 99 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,960 But Andreessen and Horowitz connect this 100 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,720 to a bigger concept. 101 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,000 They call anarcho-tyranny. 102 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,120 Anarcho-tyranny. 103 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,120 That sounds intense. 104 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:20,800 It is. 105 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,120 It's this idea that the government focuses all 106 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,440 its energy on overregulating law-abiding citizens. 107 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,640 While letting the real criminals run free. 108 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:29,480 Exactly. 109 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,120 It's like they're going after the Amish for selling raw milk 110 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,840 but ignoring way bigger problems. 111 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,480 That's a really interesting point. 112 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,960 It makes you wonder about priorities, for sure. 113 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:38,460 Yeah. 114 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:39,880 Where's the focus? 115 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,920 And speaking of crypto, Andreessen and Horowitz 116 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,200 were big backers of that pro-crypto, 117 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,720 super-packed fair shake. 118 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,320 Oh, yeah. 119 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:47,840 Fair shake. 120 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:48,360 And get this. 121 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,600 They had a 52 to 6 win-loss record 122 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:51,920 in the congressional races. 123 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:52,840 That's impressive. 124 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:53,680 Pretty effective. 125 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,080 It shows you how much influence the crypto lobby has. 126 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,400 And they emphasized that this support wasn't just 127 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,360 coming from one side of the aisle. 128 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,080 Right, it was a bipartisan thing. 129 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,020 Which shows how much crypto can cut across party lines. 130 00:04:05,020 --> 00:04:07,400 So it's not just a Republican or Democrat issue. 131 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,320 Exactly. 132 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,400 And they even mentioned that a bunch of Democrats 133 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,840 defied their own party. 134 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,480 And even a potential veto threat from the White House 135 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,000 to support this FIT21 bill. 136 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,360 FIT21. 137 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,160 Yeah, it stands for the Financial Innovation 138 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,320 Technology for the 21st Century Act. 139 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,600 OK, so what's the big deal about this bill? 140 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,800 I'll admit, I'm not super up to speed on all the ins 141 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,560 and outs of crypto legislation. 142 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,360 Well, FIT21 was all about trying to create 143 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,280 some clear regulations for the crypto world. 144 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:36,400 So trying to bring some order to the chaos. 145 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,080 Exactly. 146 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,240 Like figuring out is something a commodity or a security. 147 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:41,640 Because that's a big question, right? 148 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:42,920 Is it a currency? 149 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,520 Is it an investment? 150 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,840 No one seems to know. 151 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:47,520 Right, and that's where the SEC comes in. 152 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,200 The Securities and Exchange Commission. 153 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,640 Yeah, and they were actually pushing back against this bill. 154 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:52,720 So they didn't like it. 155 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,640 They opposed it, which raises some interesting questions 156 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,120 about what their motives were. 157 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Were they really trying to protect investors? 158 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,760 Or were they trying to stifle a potential competitor 159 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,760 to the traditional financial system? 160 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,280 It's like they saw crypto as a threat. 161 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:08,840 Possibly. 162 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:10,080 It's something to think about. 163 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,160 Definitely makes you wonder. 164 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,840 So it sounds like it's not just about the regulations 165 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:14,400 themselves. 166 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,400 It's about who's pushing for them and why. 167 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,800 Right, it adds a whole other layer 168 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,120 of complexity to the debate. 169 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,120 For sure. 170 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,040 But Andreessen and Horowitz aren't just 171 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,560 focused on the regulatory side of things. 172 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,480 They also make this really strong case 173 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,560 for how crypto can promote financial equity. 174 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,600 Yeah, they point to the fact that black Americans, 175 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,200 for example, have a higher rate of crypto ownership 176 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,600 than other asset classes. 177 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,920 So they're actually getting in on the ground floor. 178 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,000 Which suggests that crypto could be 179 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,440 a way for historically marginalized communities 180 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,480 to build wealth and get ahead. 181 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,520 That's a really powerful idea. 182 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,800 It challenges the perception that crypto 183 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,520 is just for tech bros and wealthy investors. 184 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,320 Exactly. 185 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,080 It has the potential to be much more inclusive than that. 186 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,080 So while some people might see crypto 187 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,480 as this risky Wild West kind of thing, 188 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,400 Andreessen and Horowitz are saying, hold on, 189 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:03,760 there's a bigger picture here. 190 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,760 It's about leveling the playing field 191 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,120 and creating opportunities for everyone. 192 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,040 Which, if you think about it, ties back 193 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,400 into their whole idea that tech is about more than just 194 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,320 profits. 195 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,000 It can have a real social impact. 196 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:15,680 Absolutely. 197 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,320 It's not just about making money. 198 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:18,880 It's about making a difference. 199 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,080 OK, so we've covered crypto. 200 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:21,920 What about AI? 201 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,720 That's another area where things are moving so fast. 202 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,640 What do Andreessen and Horowitz have to say about AI policy? 203 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,840 Well, they see AI policy as this really crucial moment right now. 204 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:35,560 There's a lot of concern about what 205 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,640 they call regulatory capture. 206 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Regulatory capture. 207 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,800 Yeah, it's basically where the big tech companies 208 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,040 try to use regulations to stifle competition 209 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,360 and maintain their power. 210 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,560 Ah, so it's like they're rigging the game in their favor. 211 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:48,200 Exactly. 212 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,700 They're trying to use the government 213 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:52,320 to squash the little guy before they can even get started. 214 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,040 Not cool. 215 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,160 Not cool at all. 216 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,660 And then there's this whole debate 217 00:06:55,660 --> 00:06:57,440 about the precautionary principle. 218 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,160 It's this idea that we should put strict regulations in place 219 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,520 even if there's no clear evidence of harm yet. 220 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,280 So like better safe than sorry. 221 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:10,080 Yeah, but you could also argue that it could stifle innovation. 222 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,120 If you're too afraid of what might happen, 223 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,560 you never try anything new. 224 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,000 That's a tough one. 225 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,720 It's about finding that balance. 226 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,520 Exactly. 227 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,220 How do you encourage innovation while also protecting 228 00:07:20,220 --> 00:07:22,120 against potential downsides? 229 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,160 It's a tricky question. 230 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,080 And it's not just about AI itself. 231 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,680 They also bring up the energy implications of all this. 232 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,180 Right. 233 00:07:28,180 --> 00:07:30,000 They argue that the US energy grid might not 234 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,520 be able to handle the demands of large scale AI development. 235 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,400 So it's like we need an energy upgrade 236 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,160 to keep up with the AI revolution. 237 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:37,960 Exactly. 238 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,760 Otherwise, we could hit a bottleneck. 239 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,080 And it's not just about AI. 240 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,740 It's about all the industries that AI could potentially 241 00:07:43,740 --> 00:07:44,440 transform. 242 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,800 So it has this ripple effect. 243 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:46,360 Exactly. 244 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,240 And they bring up this really interesting historical 245 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:48,740 parallel. 246 00:07:48,740 --> 00:07:50,440 Oh, I love historical parallels. 247 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,360 Let's hear it. 248 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,920 They talk about President Nixon's Project Independence 249 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,160 back in 1971. 250 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,440 Project Independence. 251 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,840 Yeah, he wanted to make the US energy independent 252 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,160 through nuclear power. 253 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,200 Wow, that's a big goal. 254 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,360 Did it work? 255 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,560 Well, not really. 256 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,240 What happened was they created the Nuclear Regulatory 257 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,240 Commission. 258 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,480 And that basically stopped the development 259 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,040 of new nuclear plants for decades. 260 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,280 So they're saying that overregulation actually 261 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,120 backfired and made us more dependent on foreign energy 262 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,320 sources? 263 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,800 That's their argument. 264 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,120 They see it as a missed opportunity. 265 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,520 But they also think there's a chance for what they call 266 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,360 a nuclear renaissance now. 267 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:28,960 A nuclear renaissance. 268 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:29,720 Interesting. 269 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,340 Yeah, they think there's an opportunity 270 00:08:31,340 --> 00:08:34,560 to revisit those goals of energy independence, which 271 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:38,040 could be especially important as AI development ramps up. 272 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,200 It all ties together. 273 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,080 Exactly. 274 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,120 And if we can solve that energy problem, 275 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,800 it could unleash a ton of innovation, not just in AI, 276 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,840 but across the board. 277 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,200 And potentially even boost national security. 278 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,640 Right, because they're really focused on that as well. 279 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,600 Yeah, defense tech is a big theme for them. 280 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,040 How are they thinking about that? 281 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,720 They're emphasizing how defense tech is changing in a major way 282 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:58,640 because of drones. 283 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,240 Drones are everywhere these days. 284 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,440 Right, and it's not just about the technology itself. 285 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,040 It's about how drone warfare is changing 286 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,680 the whole nature of combat. 287 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:08,200 Sounds pretty radical. 288 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,880 They even tell this story about a special forces 289 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,480 expert who compared the impact of drones 290 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,120 to the invention of the stirrup. 291 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,120 The stirrup, like for horses? 292 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,600 Yeah, exactly. 293 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,840 The idea is that the stirrup allowed mounted warriors 294 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,400 to stand up and fire arrows. 295 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,080 Ah, OK, I see where this is going. 296 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,440 It completely revolutionized calorie warfare. 297 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,800 And this expert is saying that drones 298 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,960 are having a similar impact on modern warfare. 299 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,520 So drones aren't just a cool gadget. 300 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,160 They're changing the game entirely. 301 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,520 Right, but that comes with its own risks. 302 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:41,920 Andreessen and Horowitz are warning 303 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,640 about the dangers of relying on drones 304 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,200 made by foreign countries, especially China. 305 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,400 Oh, I see where this is going. 306 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,900 They're worried that we should become 307 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:50,680 dependent on a potential adversary 308 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:52,520 for a crucial military technology. 309 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,000 Makes sense. 310 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,760 We don't want to be caught with our pants down 311 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:55,680 if things heat up. 312 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,640 They actually draw a parallel to pagers. 313 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,280 Pagers? 314 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,000 Wow, going way back. 315 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,400 Remember how those were all the rage back in the day? 316 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,840 Well, they say that a lot of those pagers 317 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,120 were actually made in China. 318 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:06,040 Really? 319 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:06,800 I had no idea. 320 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,600 And they paint this scenario where American troops are 321 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,200 relying on Chinese-made drones, and then in a conflict, 322 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,080 that technology gets turned against them. 323 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,640 Hey, Ike. 324 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,080 That's not a good situation. 325 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,360 Not at all. 326 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,460 So they're arguing for the importance of investing 327 00:10:21,460 --> 00:10:23,320 in our own domestic drone industry. 328 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,160 We need to control our own destiny. 329 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:25,920 Exactly. 330 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:26,400 Yeah. 331 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,440 And that idea of technological independence 332 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,480 goes way beyond just defense. 333 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,440 Right, it's about ensuring that the US remains 334 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,960 a leader in innovation across the board. 335 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,580 It's about shaping the future, not just reacting to it. 336 00:10:38,580 --> 00:10:39,960 Absolutely. 337 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,080 And that brings us to this really crucial point 338 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,360 that Andreessen and Horowitz make, 339 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,960 the need to win in technology. 340 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:47,880 Winning? 341 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,600 But what does that even mean? 342 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,620 Is it just about economic dominance or military power? 343 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:54,840 Or is there something even bigger than that at play? 344 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,080 Well, that's a question we'll need 345 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,120 to explore further in part two of our deep dive. 346 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,320 They definitely seem to think it's about something more 347 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,680 profound than just having the most gadgets or the biggest 348 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:04,660 companies. 349 00:11:04,660 --> 00:11:06,520 They have a whole philosophical perspective 350 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,200 on what it means to win in technology. 351 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,520 Stay tuned for part two, where we'll dig into all that 352 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,760 and what it might mean for you. 353 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,880 Welcome back for part two of our deep dive. 354 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,920 Last time we left off talking about this idea 355 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,600 of winning in technology. 356 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,200 Right, like what does that actually mean? 357 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,120 It felt like they were hinting at something more than just 358 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,400 having the fastest computers or launching the most satellites. 359 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,520 Exactly. 360 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,980 And they're arguing it's not even just about being ahead 361 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:36,080 in the tech race for its own sake. 362 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,440 They're really connecting it to national security. 363 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,880 Which is something they keep bringing up over and over again. 364 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Right, it's a major theme for them. 365 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,560 So it's like that drone example we were talking about. 366 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,800 If we're not building our own drones, 367 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,020 we end up relying on other countries, 368 00:11:50,020 --> 00:11:51,480 and that puts us at risk. 369 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,400 Exactly. 370 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,600 And they take that idea and make it even bigger. 371 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,180 They're saying that the US needs to be way more proactive when 372 00:11:57,180 --> 00:11:59,280 it comes to tech policy overall. 373 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,720 So like not just reacting to what other countries are doing. 374 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:02,440 Right. 375 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,760 Be more assertive. 376 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,400 Take charge. 377 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,840 They see technological leadership as like this key thing. 378 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,680 It's tied to economic power and military power. 379 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:12,600 It's all connected. 380 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:13,680 Exactly. 381 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:15,660 And they're contrasting this with what 382 00:12:15,660 --> 00:12:18,120 they see is the previous administration's approach, 383 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,200 which is much more hesitant. 384 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,000 Like they were playing it too safe. 385 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,440 Yeah, like they were too worried about the risks, 386 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,600 and that ended up holding the US back. 387 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,000 So they're saying we need to be bolder, take some chances. 388 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,120 Calculated risks, of course. 389 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,080 But yeah, be willing to push the boundaries. 390 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,800 And it sounds like they're pretty optimistic 391 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,320 about the new administration. 392 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,840 They seem to think that there's a much better understanding 393 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,440 of the importance of technology now. 394 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:41,760 Like the new administration gets it. 395 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,240 Yeah, they're more receptive to this idea of the US needing 396 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,760 to be a leader in tech. 397 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,520 But they also acknowledge that Washington 398 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,800 can be a really tough place to navigate, 399 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,600 especially when you're talking about something 400 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,040 as complex as technology. 401 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,400 Oh yeah, for sure. 402 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,240 There are so many different players and interests 403 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,480 and perspectives. 404 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,040 It can be a real maze. 405 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,560 So how do we even begin to make progress? 406 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:04,120 Well, they argue that the tech industry 407 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,840 needs to be way more involved in shaping policy. 408 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,920 So they're saying Silicon Valley needs to step up. 409 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:09,880 Exactly. 410 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,420 They can't just sit on the sidelines 411 00:13:11,420 --> 00:13:13,320 and complain about regulations. 412 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,920 They need to be active participants 413 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,000 in these conversations. 414 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,520 Go to DC and make their voices heard. 415 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,560 Yeah, be part of the solution. 416 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:22,920 And they're emphasizing that this 417 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,320 isn't about partisan politics. 418 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,520 So it's not just a Democrat versus Republican thing. 419 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,440 Right, it's about finding common ground 420 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,720 on issues like supporting innovation 421 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,360 and boosting American competitiveness. 422 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Things that everyone can agree on. 423 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Exactly. 424 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,760 They believe there's a lot of potential 425 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,560 for bipartisan cooperation when it comes to tech policy. 426 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,520 OK, so that's what winning might look like from a policy 427 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:45,840 perspective. 428 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,760 But I'm curious, what does all this 429 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,880 mean for the average person? 430 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,200 That's a great question. 431 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,600 And I think Andreessen and Horowitz 432 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,960 would say that technology isn't just some abstract thing 433 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:56,560 anymore. 434 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:58,640 It's affecting every aspect of our lives. 435 00:13:58,640 --> 00:13:59,520 It's everywhere. 436 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:00,200 Exactly. 437 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,760 It's shaping our economy, our national security, 438 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,320 our everyday experiences. 439 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,000 So even if you're not a tech CEO or a politician, 440 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,400 this stuff matters. 441 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,480 Absolutely. 442 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,520 The decisions being made about AI, crypto, all of it, 443 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,040 it's going to impact all of us, whether we realize it or not. 444 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,240 It's going to trickle down. 445 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,320 Yeah, it's going to affect the jobs that are available, 446 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,240 the prices we pay for things, even our personal privacy. 447 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,760 So it's not just something for the techies to worry about. 448 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:27,360 Right. 449 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,400 It's something we all need to be paying attention to 450 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,320 and engaging with. 451 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,760 Because ultimately, the future of technology 452 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,400 isn't just being decided in Silicon Valley or in Washington. 453 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,880 It's being shaped by all of us. 454 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,080 It's a collective effort. 455 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,160 Exactly. 456 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,600 And that's where I think their emphasis on optimism comes in. 457 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,400 They're saying that despite all the challenges, 458 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,520 there's still so much to be excited about when 459 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,920 it comes to technology. 460 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,720 They really believe in its potential. 461 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,680 They see it as a powerful force for good. 462 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,920 They believe that technology can help us solve some 463 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,480 of the world's biggest problems. 464 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,360 Like, what kinds of things are they talking about? 465 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Well, they mentioned climate change, for example. 466 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,160 That's a big one. 467 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,360 Yeah, and disease and poverty. 468 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,200 They think technology can be a tool 469 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,120 to tackle these huge issues and make a real difference. 470 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,480 So it's not just about making our lives more convenient 471 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:13,400 or entertaining. 472 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:13,720 Right. 473 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,520 It's about something much bigger than that. 474 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,320 It's about making the world a better place. 475 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,520 Exactly. 476 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,320 But they also acknowledge that it's not a guaranteed win. 477 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:22,440 There are risks involved. 478 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,320 Yeah, there are definitely potential downsides. 479 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:24,840 Yeah. 480 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,840 We need to be smart about how we develop and use technology. 481 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,240 We can't just assume it's all going to work out perfectly. 482 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:30,720 Right. 483 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,240 We need to be mindful of the ethical implications, 484 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,120 the potential for misuse, all of that. 485 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,880 So it's not about just blindly embracing technology. 486 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:38,600 Exactly. 487 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,840 It's about being thoughtful and intentional 488 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,160 about how we approach it. 489 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,360 Using it responsibly. 490 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:44,960 Exactly. 491 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,640 And I think that's a really important message. 492 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,480 It's not about being anti-technology 493 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,760 or being afraid of progress. 494 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,560 It's about being aware of the potential risks 495 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,040 and working to mitigate them. 496 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,280 So it's like a balancing act. 497 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:57,760 Yeah. 498 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,800 Finding that sweet spot between innovation and responsibility. 499 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,000 And they believe that if we get that balance right, 500 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,240 we can really create a better future. 501 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,480 A future where technology is used to uplift and empower 502 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,840 everyone, not just a select few. 503 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,240 OK, so we've talked about what winning in technology 504 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,520 might look like from a policy perspective. 505 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,320 And we talked about what it might mean for society 506 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,480 as a whole. 507 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,880 But I'm wondering, what does it look like on an individual 508 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:23,560 level? 509 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,320 That's a great question. 510 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,160 And one way to think about it is in terms 511 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,280 of this idea of a more decentralized and democratized 512 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:31,800 world. 513 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,800 Like giving more power to individuals. 514 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:34,520 Exactly. 515 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,400 And they highlight a few specific areas 516 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,080 where this is already happening. 517 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,480 One is biotechnology. 518 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:39,960 Oh, yeah. 519 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,720 That's a field that's moving so fast. 520 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,160 Think about all the advancements we're seeing in gene editing, 521 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,000 personalized medicine, all that. 522 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,840 They believe we're on the verge of being 523 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,200 able to cure diseases that were once thought to be incurable. 524 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,080 That's incredible. 525 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,320 It's like science fiction becoming reality. 526 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,160 It really is. 527 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:56,640 Yeah. 528 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,360 And it's not just about curing diseases. 529 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,480 It's about extending lifespans, improving quality of life, 530 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:02,800 all sorts of possibilities. 531 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,000 And AI is playing a big role in all this, right? 532 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:05,920 Huge role. 533 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,960 It's helping us analyze data, develop new treatments, 534 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,240 really push the boundaries of what's possible. 535 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,040 It's like having a super-powered research assistant. 536 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:14,960 Exactly. 537 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,560 And then there's education. 538 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,560 They talk about how online learning platforms 539 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,080 and AI-powered tutors are making education 540 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,720 more accessible and effective than ever before. 541 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,920 So you don't have to go to a fancy school 542 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,040 to get a good education. 543 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:27,540 Right. 544 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:30,960 You can learn from anywhere in the world at your own pace. 545 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,880 It's about giving everyone the opportunity 546 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,480 to reach their full potential. 547 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:35,400 I love that idea. 548 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,160 It's like democratizing knowledge. 549 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,320 Exactly. 550 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,120 And then there's the way we work. 551 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:43,200 We're seeing the rise of the gig economy, remote work, 552 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,040 becoming more common people, using technology 553 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,400 to create their own businesses and pursue their passions. 554 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,520 It's like the old rules of work are being rewritten. 555 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,120 Exactly. 556 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,000 And they call this the creator economy 557 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,640 and the passion economy. 558 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,680 It's about having more control over your work and your life. 559 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,360 More freedom and flexibility. 560 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:00,160 Exactly. 561 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,120 And technology is enabling that shift. 562 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:04,880 So it's like a more decentralized and democratized 563 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,320 economy, which could be really empowering for individuals. 564 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,720 They believe it has the potential 565 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,000 to create a lot more opportunity for everyone. 566 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,200 But of course, all of this comes with its own set 567 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,200 of challenges. 568 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,600 Oh, yeah, for sure. 569 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,560 There are definitely risks and concerns that we can't ignore. 570 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,680 Like, what kinds of things are they worried about? 571 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,160 Well, job displacement, for one. 572 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,560 As automation and AI become more sophisticated, 573 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,800 there's a real possibility that some jobs will be eliminated. 574 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Yeah, that's a scary thought for a lot of people. 575 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,720 And then there's data privacy. 576 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,920 As we generate more and more data, 577 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,920 there's a risk that it could be misused 578 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,200 or fall into the wrong hands. 579 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,000 Which could have serious consequences 580 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,600 for our privacy and security. 581 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,520 Exactly. 582 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,040 And then there's the potential for AI 583 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,880 to be used for harmful purposes. 584 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,000 Like autonomous weapons systems or surveillance technologies. 585 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:53,280 Right. 586 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,000 We need to be very careful about how we develop and deploy 587 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,560 these powerful technologies. 588 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,960 So it's not all sunshine and roses. 589 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:00,840 Definitely not. 590 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:01,360 Right. 591 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,480 But Andreessen and Horowitz are arguing that we 592 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,960 shouldn't let fear paralyze us. 593 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,560 We can't just stick our heads in the sand. 594 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:08,040 Right. 595 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,000 We need to acknowledge the risks, 596 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,240 but also embrace the potential for good. 597 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,240 So it's about finding that balance again. 598 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,200 Exactly. 599 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,440 And they believe that if we approach technology 600 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,320 with the right mindset, we can overcome these challenges 601 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,080 and create a future that's truly beneficial for humanity. 602 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,120 So it all comes back to optimism. 603 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:27,640 Yeah. 604 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,520 They're really emphasizing the importance 605 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,440 of having a positive and forward looking 606 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,840 perspective on technology. 607 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,600 It's about shaping the future we want, 608 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,040 not just reacting to the one that's coming at us. 609 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,240 Exactly. 610 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,600 And I think that's a really powerful message. 611 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,440 It's a call to action for all of us 612 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,880 to be engaged and informed and hopeful about the possibilities 613 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,680 that lie ahead. 614 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:48,180 Wow. 615 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:49,600 We've really gone deep on this one. 616 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,320 Everything from government regulations 617 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,560 to the future of AI. 618 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,600 And don't forget that whole philosophical debate 619 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:56,880 about winning in technology. 620 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,200 Oh, right, right. 621 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,480 What does that even mean in the grand scheme of things? 622 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:01,440 Exactly. 623 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,360 And as we wrap up, Andreessen and Horowitz really 624 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:06,000 push us to think even bigger. 625 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560 They're asking, what does winning in technology 626 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,120 ultimately mean for humanity? 627 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:10,400 Yeah. 628 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,280 Is it just about being the richest country 629 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,280 or having the most powerful military? 630 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,600 Or is it something more than that? 631 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:15,920 Right. 632 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,520 And I think they're definitely hinting at something much 633 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:18,080 bigger. 634 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:18,580 Yeah. 635 00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:21,040 In the last part, they talked about using technology 636 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,880 to solve problems like climate change and poverty. 637 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:24,560 Right. 638 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,240 They seem to believe that technology 639 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,680 can be this incredibly powerful force for progress. 640 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,080 Not just for making profits. 641 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:32,680 Yeah, exactly. 642 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,320 It's about improving the world for everyone. 643 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,480 So it's not just about a Mick Schrecker being number one. 644 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,200 It's about using our technological leadership 645 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,640 to benefit all of humanity. 646 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,080 Which brings to mind that whole competition with China 647 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,040 that they keep talking about. 648 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:46,520 Oh, yeah. 649 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,520 That's a big one for them. 650 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,920 They make it sound like it's more 651 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,680 than just a typical geopolitical rivalry. 652 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,480 It's like this clash of values. 653 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,000 Right. 654 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,840 They see the US as representing freedom and openness 655 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:57,880 and democracy. 656 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,920 While China represents a more controlled and authoritarian 657 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,480 approach. 658 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,200 And they argue that whoever wins this competition 659 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,320 is going to have a huge impact on the future 660 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,480 of the whole world. 661 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,720 So the stakes are pretty high. 662 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,960 Super high. 663 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,920 It's not just about who has the best gadgets 664 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,000 or the biggest economy. 665 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,240 It's about what kind of world we want to live in. 666 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,520 What kind of future we want to create for ourselves 667 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,040 and for generations to come. 668 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,360 And I think that's a really important takeaway for everyone 669 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:22,280 listening. 670 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,960 The choices we make about technology today 671 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,840 aren't just about some abstract political debate. 672 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,000 They're going to have real world consequences. 673 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,960 They're going to shape the kind of society we live in, 674 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,400 the kind of opportunities we have, 675 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,000 the kind of freedoms we enjoy. 676 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,440 It's about shaping our destiny. 677 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,520 Exactly. 678 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,440 So what does all of this mean for you, the listener? 679 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,200 We've explored some really complex topics today. 680 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,880 I heard some pretty strong opinions. 681 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,360 So what are you walking away with? 682 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:48,760 What's sticking with you? 683 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,840 Hopefully a better understanding of just how powerful technology 684 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:52,400 is. 685 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,480 And how important it is to be engaged in these conversations. 686 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000 Even if you don't consider yourself a tech person. 687 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,440 Because like we've been saying, the stuff affects all of us. 688 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,560 And the decisions that are being made right now 689 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,080 are going to have a ripple effect for years to come. 690 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,280 So Andreessen and Horowitz are issuing a call to action. 691 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,080 Be informed, be engaged, be optimistic. 692 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,600 Don't be afraid of the future. 693 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,680 Embrace it. 694 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,360 Shape it. 695 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,000 Because the future is not set in stone. 696 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,040 We have the power to create the world we want to see. 697 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,840 And that's a pretty empowering thought. 698 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:23,360 It is. 699 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:26,760 It's a reminder that we're not just passive bystanders. 700 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,440 We all have a role to play in shaping 701 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,840 the future of technology. 702 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,880 And that future has the potential to be amazing. 703 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,640 If we do it right. 704 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,960 So let's do it right. 705 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,160 Let's use technology to solve problems, 706 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,680 to create opportunities, to build a better world for everyone. 707 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,240 I'm in. 708 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,240 Me too. 709 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,080 Thanks for joining us for this deep dive. 710 00:22:44,080 --> 00:23:07,440 We'll see you next time.