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Welcome to Send Me On My Way.

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I'm your host, Audrey Dean Kelly.

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And on this podcast, we're gonna talk about everything

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from music to pop culture to reality TV

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to pretty much whatever I want.

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So let's get into it.

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All right, y'all, today I wanted to talk about fanatics.

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My own history being a fanatic,

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my then history with someone being a fan of my own,

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and the fine line between adoration and obsession.

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So let's get into it.

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And this episode was inspired recently by Chappell Roan

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putting up boundaries and rejecting fandom.

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And historically, I have been quite a little fanatic.

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Let me tell you, my first experience,

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I was a new Kids on the Black fan

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when I was like three years old,

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my sisters and my cousins were fans.

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So I was a big Donnie girl, guys.

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Let me tell you, I had an airbrushed T-shirt

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that my mom got for me at the mall that said,

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I heart Donnie.

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Honestly, mom, I hope we still have that

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of all the stuff you've saved.

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Pull that out of the archives.

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So yeah, it said, I heart Donnie.

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And yeah, I was obsessed.

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I had a birthday party that my parents hired

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like performers to come to that they pretended

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like it was new kids on the block,

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except like it was only three guys.

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And somehow I believe for years that new kids on the block

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came to my birthday, because I was like four.

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And years later, I watched the VHS and alas, it was not.

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But I was a Donnie girl all the way.

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And that fandom definitely continued when I was,

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gosh, when did the Spice Girls come out?

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I was in third grade when they came out

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and pretty much as soon as they came out,

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I was obsessed.

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And when I tell you, like that was my experience

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with being a borderline crazy fanatic.

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I was obsessed with Ginger Spice.

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I remember I would stay home and I would put their CD on

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and I would practice like, first of all,

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I loved listening to the album.

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This is how like now I know I was meant to do music.

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It's like, I would listen to the album

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and I loved breaking down who was singing each part.

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And I loved working on mimicking the vocals

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of each Spice Girl.

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And like honestly, I could still do it.

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I can still listen to the whole album

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and I can tell you exactly who's singing at any time.

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And like, I think most of us Spice Girl fans,

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like, you know, Mel B definitely, Sporty Spice.

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I love you, Balcy, am I getting confused?

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Sporty Spice certainly vocally carried the Spice Girls

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in a lot of ways, but I feel like I should edit that out.

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I might get in trouble from people,

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but let's be honest, she did.

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But yeah, I was obsessed, guys, and I was so obsessed.

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This was like, oh my God, you guys are gonna laugh.

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This was right when AOL was coming out.

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So this was back in the day when AOL first came out,

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there were like chat rooms.

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And third grade, Audrey and her friends

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would get on these chat rooms,

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these like Spice Girl chat rooms.

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I was chatting with some account called Jerry Sis,

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no, no, Jerry Girl OO, Jerry Girl OO.

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in the people list, like you could look for people.

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And so I would look for the Spice Girls

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and I convinced myself that this one account,

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Jerry Girl OO was Ginger Spice,

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and that we were chatting,

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and because they fully were pretending to be.

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that I know that was messing with me.

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So if it was, please reveal yourself.

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But in hindsight, it was probably some creepy old dude.

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So, but that was the Wild West of AOL

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when it first came out.

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And you guys who lived it, we all know it.

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I mean, our generation, it was some unfiltered shit,

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let me tell you.

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But I would talk to this account

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and they convinced me they were Ginger Spice.

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with, you know, creep thinking

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that I was talking to this person.

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So I certainly have had my days of obsession.

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Lord knows when Britney Spears came out, I remember,

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will tell you stories about how I used to be like,

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guys, wanna have a singing contest

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to see who can sing baby one more time the best?

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I'm like, they would all be like, no, Audrey, we don't.

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We know you just wanna sing baby one more time for us.

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listen to me, listen to me, listen to me.

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And it's like I'm still doing that now.

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But anyways, yeah, your girl has been a fanatic

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many a times in her life.

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is because I had that fandom within me

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that fueled my love of music and my love of singing

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and I definitely am a better singer

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because of how many hours I spent rehearsing

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every single part of every single different

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spice girl vocal trying to exactly match

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what they were doing for sure.

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at some point has been a fanatic

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and it's part of what fuels your artistry.

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very quickly, she's rejecting that fame.

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the fans that cross the line between adoration to obsession

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or the ones that expect something from you.

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I think people forget, I mean, people act a fool

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around celebrities, let me tell you.

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Most of y'all act a fool around celebrities, you just do.

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thinking they don't notice, it's just,

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there is a fine line people.

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y'all don't know how to behave around celebrities.

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So go figure our artists are putting up boundaries

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and thank God.

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So to also talk about my own experience with this,

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when I was a performer and like y'all,

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this was on a lower level.

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I was playing shows in Arkansas.

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I think I've alluded to this before.

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I was like massively oversaturating my market.

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Like God bless you guys that were booking me.

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Shout out to all of those amazing bookies

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across all of those bars in Arkansas

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who knew that I was just playing every other night

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and still giving me gigs.

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Thank you, love you guys.

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But I'm giving you that context because it was awesome

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when people came out to see me, but there is a fine line

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when you're playing every single,

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every other night of the week,

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when someone starts coming every single time,

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that does start to, it goes from being supportive

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to being creepy and I certainly had that.

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there was one guy that, yes, he came to every single show

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and for a while at the time, I had a boyfriend

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who was also coming to my shows who was like,

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a bigger, he made it so that I felt safe

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being there in spite of this person

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who kept coming to every single show.

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he crossed a big line and when that relationship ended,

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he immediately at my next show asked me out and I said no.

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it was to the point that I remember leaving shows

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and I'm talking about, I remember playing one show

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in West Littorock and it was in this bar

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where people could still smoke inside of the bar,

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so this was a brutal show to play,

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but it was a four hour gig and I would play this

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and this dude stayed until the very end of my set

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and I know some of you guys are gonna say,

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he was supporting your music, I'm sorry,

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but staying till the end of a grueling four hour set

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when you've been to the same exact set,

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but this guy had seen me every other night before that,

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so to stay that long till the end,

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I remember leaving those shows being so fucking creeped out

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and literally looking in my rear view mirror

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as I was driving home,

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trying to make sure nobody was following me

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and yes, you guys may say that's paranoid,

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but if that happened to me on such a low level of artistry

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as far as the number of fans,

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then imagine what that's like when you get

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on a much higher level.

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I can't even wrap my brain around it,

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I don't think any of us can wrap our brains around it

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and I don't think that most people can wrap their brains

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around the mind fuck that is becoming famous

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and becoming famous at the warp speed that she just did

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to the level that she just did.

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So look, she's been working at this for a long ass time

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and I am not coming on here to say

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that she hasn't worked on this for a long time

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she has, but she has had a meteoric rise in the past

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eight months, six months

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and Chapel is putting up boundaries

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and she's rejecting this fame

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because she has lost a lot of freedom

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and there is a downside to being famous,

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there just is, there are a lot of wonderful, amazing things

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that come along with it, don't get me wrong,

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but to give up one's personal freedom,

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it's not worth it for, in my opinion,

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it would not be worth giving up those personal freedoms

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unless you were doing it to be able to do what you love

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and even if you get it that way,

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psychologically being able to comprehend your own identity

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when it changes that rapidly

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and I think that's why you see her now

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really making a distinction of Chapel Rhone is not just me,

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it is my project and she's doing that

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because her end game has never been fame.

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look, yes, her end game has been fame

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in the sense that if you want to be successful

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as a musician, in most cases, you have to be famous.

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So it's a byproduct of success in her artistry

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and that's a very, very, very different thing

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from chasing fame just to be famous.

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I'm someone who, look, I would love for this podcast

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to be successful, I would love for my music to be successful.

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If that meant me becoming famous

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because I was successful in those fields,

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then I would want that.

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Would I ever go on a reality show and lose my anonymous walks

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in Central Park with my kids

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and going to the grocery store

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and I am not someone who likes strangers coming up to me now.

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So Lord knows, I wouldn't like it

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when I would be super famous, so I get it, I get it.

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And you're allowed to want to be successful in your art

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and not be doing it because you want to be famous.

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You're allowed to reject that

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and I think it's refreshing.

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And I think, look, there's an amazing podcast

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by this girl, Coco Moko.

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She talks about, you guys should definitely go listen to it.

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I linked it already, but I'll link it again.

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She talks about Chapel Roan's Rise

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and how it's linked to Pluto moving from Capricorn to Aquarius.

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It's brilliant, you should go listen to it,

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but she has a really interesting insight in that Capricorn,

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Pluto and Capricorn, which has happened

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since basically the apprentice came out

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and all of the Kardashians,

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it's been in Capricorn, which is a very money,

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success-driven sign.

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It's all about, that's why you've seen people

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like showing off success.

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Our art talks about how fame has been very linked

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to being flashy and showy and how now that it's moving

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into Aquarius, she talks about how Aquarius rejects that

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and you're gonna see more of like a collective

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and it's just, I have to tell you, it's so fascinating.

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Go listen to it, go follow her account.

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She really does, if you're into astrology

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and I am very into astrology,

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but she does a really interesting intersection

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between astrology and pop culture

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and it's just, mwah, chef's kiss, baby, it's great.

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But yeah, in general, I think it's great

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that artists are putting up boundaries.

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You need to see that because look,

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we've seen the opposite of that

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and you have artists like Britney Spears

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who have been victims of fame and their success

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and if she weren't to put up these boundaries

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and take this time and really try to give herself grace

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in what she's taking on, if she doesn't do that,

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she will burn out and we have to protect

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our artist's mental health, especially the ones we love.

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Especially, I mean, just give her the space she needs

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and be grateful that she's not in it for the fame.

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I think that's great, she's in it because it's her art

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but yeah, y'all should also listen to me, listen.

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Y'all stop acting fools around these celebrities.

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Just stop it, like it's so tacky, just here's some rules.

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If they're sitting at dinner,

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especially if they're sitting at dinner with their family,

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do not go up to them, do not interrupt their dinner

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to ask them for an autograph.

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If they're out with their kids,

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you are not gonna stop them to take a photo with them,

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they're out with their children, do not talk to them.

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Yeah, honestly, unless they open up a conversation with you,

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I think it's kind of tacky to approach people

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and I mean, drunkenly, I think I've done it

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in clubs when I was younger.

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I had a really cringy time that I did that with Bruce Willis

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and I think that was the one time in my life

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where I randomly went up to a celebrity

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and I immediately was like, oh, I hate that I did that

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and I will never do that again.

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But in general, y'all just let them be and you know what?

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If you're just a little bit cooler,

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you gotta kind of act like a cat, let them come to you

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and then you might actually strike up a conversation.

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Maybe they will wanna talk to you,

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but that's not what y'all are doing

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and you're approaching it all wrong.

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Give them space, let them be,

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do not try to take their photo like they don't notice.

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They notice, it's tacky, don't do it

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and you don't own them just because

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they are a public persona, they are a person.

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They are a human being.

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So that comes to the end of my show.

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As always, thanks for listening y'all.

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Love y'all.

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Music The heist

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In the middle of July, you set my heart on fire

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Now you're just a memory and a phase over time

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We've run bright, we've run fast, I'm a lover, I've never lied

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I can see you smoking in the sun, drink a rose

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And you're singing near your home

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We were in the Mercedes with a window down

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Without an air, we can't speed it now

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Took a train out to Quar, show me off to your friends

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Try it on full size, but it didn't quiet it

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Like a fever train, light a face and I

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Time became fast and we said goodbye

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Summer's late, it's short and sweet, so let's dance around the play rough winds

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On the beach, some hearts can't be taken

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We've so longed and we're slow feeling fine

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We've run bright, we've run fast, I'm a lover, I've never lied

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I can see you smoking in the sun, drink a rose

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And you're singing near your home

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We were in the Mercedes with a window down

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Without an air, we can't speed it now

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I can see you smoking in the sun, drink a rose

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And you're singing near your home

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We were in the Mercedes with a window down

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Without an air, we can't speed it now

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I can see you smoking in the sun, drink a rose

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And you're singing near your home

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We were in the Mercedes with a window down

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Without an air, we can't speed it now

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We were in the Mercedes with a window down

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Without an air, we can't speed it now

