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Creeping across the pasture land. Got dirt on

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the boots and a working hand. From the milk house

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home to the auction call. These are the folks

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standing strong and tall. Yeah, this is... This

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is the bullvine. In April 1997, Bruno Jubinville

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couldn't order coffee in English, but he could

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read a cow. He proved it from behind a Purina

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feed truck. Two scores, both perfect matches.

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Within a week, Holstein Canada was on the phone.

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29 years later, Bruno had classified eight of

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the 11 cows in Canadian history to reach 97 points.

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Holsteins, a Jersey, a Brown Swiss, an Ayrshire.

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He championed locomotion before it was fashionable.

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He took the Canadian classification system to

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Colombia, Brazil, and a dozen other countries,

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and he built his entire career around one word,

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balance. Now, after nearly three decades inside

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the system, he's moved to Blondinsires, not to

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sell semen, to educate breeders. This is his

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story, the classifier behind eight EX97s, Bruno

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Jubinville's lifetime crusade for balance. Now,

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let's start at the beginning, and I don't mean

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like hosting Canada or classification. I mean...

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way back. Where did you grow up and how did all

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the dairy industry begin for you? I come from

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Quanticook. It's a little city, I would like

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to say 20 minutes from Vermont. It's a really

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agriculture area, but when I was young at 12,

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13, 14 during the summer, I worked on the farm,

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but that farm was not appropriate. It was helpful

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to do hay during the summer. And after that,

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around, I would like to say, after my school,

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I went to Manchester, United States. I work on

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the concrete. Concrete, I make a base for the

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house and stuff like that. Okay. And I work there,

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and I want to be married, and my girlfriend doesn't

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want to come where I work. Then I start to work

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at Shackok Holstein. They are master breeder

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Archer and Holstein. And I learned everything

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there. I worked there for, I think, eight or

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nine years. André Tardif was a classifier. He

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worked there before me. Yeah. Yeah. I worked

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there for eight, nine years. And after that,

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I learned. a lot with them. They were really

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good cowmen, and they buy lots of cows from the

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U .S. and sell it, and I learned a lot there.

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After that, they sell the farm, and I started

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to work at Purina. I delivered a bag. A bag for

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heifers and stuff, and one day, Gilles Benvenuat

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did the workshop with the Plastication Demo.

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and they were sitting at the barn because it

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was done when I arrived to deliver the feedback.

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And one guy said, hey Bruno, how many points

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you would like to score those cows? And I say

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for, sorry, I say for the joke, I said, if Gilbert

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did good, he scored 87, 86, and it was right

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on the money like him. And the week after, it

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was at St. Holstein, the big, what's the name,

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the big Holstein, well, they do it in BC this

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summer. It was the conference. Yeah. It was anyway

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the big Holstein, I don't remember the name anymore.

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And Jay Shannon was there, and I see him there

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with Gilbert, and they are with me right there.

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But yes or no, because they asked me if I want

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to have the job. I said, yes, I'm really interested.

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And then I drove with Chantal Chagret, because

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they need one class higher from Quebec. And we

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drove there, but myself, I didn't speak any English,

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zero. And Chantal was a perfect bilingual. And

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I think at that time, when they are in your class,

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they have a board, the board guys there, and

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plus Jay and Brian Coughlin and Tom, and we have

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six cows, and we need to score them. And every

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time, Chantal translates for me. And at the end,

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she said, I translate for you, and they will

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give to you the job. I said, I don't know. And

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they said, I will give you a news and drink the

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night. They are ringing Chantal and I on the

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same time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And this is where

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I start to classify, yeah. And then you've had

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a long career at Holti. Yes, 29 years. Yeah,

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yeah. Is there somebody who kind of mentored

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you or helped you along the way or helped grow

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as you went through there then? Like who were

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you training with? One name. It's bad because

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the kid is Tom Barrios. Andre Targis and Tom

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Barrios. Andre Targis showed to me to be professional

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always when I'm doing my job. And after that,

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Tom showed me how the business and showed me

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the passion. He translated to me his passion.

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Because when I do some workshop for the world

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of monetization classification. And the first

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time I did it, they said Tom number two. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Tom, it translates to

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me a lot. The passion and how I understand cows.

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And, yeah, it was really special for me, Tom.

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Yeah. And relate with people. I always loved

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talking to Tom. Yeah, and he's still, you know,

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I think he's, I don't know how old he is now,

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but he still has a passion. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

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always. Lots of. Tom, especially, I think his

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cattle knowledge has grown, but his passion has

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always been there from the get -go. He's a very

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fun -loving guy to be around, for sure. And for

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sure, when you work with them, you need to want

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to learn. I always want to learn, and I still

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learn about cows. I think every day I still learn

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about cows. Yeah. What do you think are the biggest

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things you have learned maybe from the get -go

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till now? Because things have obviously changed

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quite a bit. But what is your kind of biggest

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lessons that way? I don't want to say I have

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a big lesson, but what I learned, it's like,

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it's a good question. I read your question, but

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I'm always like, answer with my heart. What I

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learned the most is. Breeder need functional

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cows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They need balanced cows.

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And I learned. And the breeds go pretty, pretty

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fast. Yeah. I mean, change a lot. Cows get better,

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better, better. I remember the first senior yearling

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and milk in Toronto. I finished first with his

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first and I scored 83. And now it's incredible.

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They have, I don't know, maybe a class of two

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years old they have at the Royal, but it's incredible

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how they calf young and everything. Like, it's

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like, I don't know if I answer your question,

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but. No. One of the neat things, and Adad always

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listens to it, is how much he learned from the

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breeders as well. Like, not just advisory groups,

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but even just certain breeders over the years

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that he learned a lot from just because you become.

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You get exposed to a lot of breeders and a lot

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of opinions. Are there any breeders that you've

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kind of learned a lot from over the years? Every

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kind. I would like to say every kind of breeders.

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Like, I don't know, like the Astro guys or another

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one, you know. I think at the end, yeah, I really

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like the breeder. they do good i think they have

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a good management i really realize management

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it's the most important on on cows management

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and i think it's still the problem a little bit

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management yeah the breeder need to still working

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on management yeah and yeah i learned about like

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the guys in alberta i learned a lot there about

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feeding legs like they they have a better management

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on feeding legs than the departments like Quebec

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or they have a Thai stall, you know, it's like,

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yeah, it's, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. So did

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you end up classifying a lot all over? Like,

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I know they've been trying to make it more centralized,

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but you would have traveled like a lot across

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Canada then. Oh, but then as you moved up, you

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had to travel either way. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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I travel all across Canada. Yeah. Always. Yeah.

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Yeah. I'm the first to ask to have a English

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course. Oh, did you? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because

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I scored cows for two or three years. I was in

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the province and I didn't speak any English.

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Zero. Yeah. Yeah. And we just gave the final

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score and it was done. Yeah. And one day I say

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to Jay Shannon, I would like to have English

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scores because I want to understand that people

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speak English. I want to work with them better

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and understand what they do and stuff. And I

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took my English course, and after that, this

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is why I speak English now. So when you classify,

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I don't think a lot of people understand. That's

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one thing I think, obviously, because of Dad,

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we got exposed to what a life of a classifier

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was like. But what would a typical day look like

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when you were on the road or classifying? It's

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a good question. It's like you leave Monday morning

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early. You always need to do your phone calls

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for the week after. That means normally the classifier

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do their phone call Monday night or during the

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lunch or Tuesday night for the week after. And

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after that, they leave from home the Monday around,

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I would like to say, 8. And if they need to drive

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five hours, they will start at about 1 .30. If

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they have two hours, they will start at 10. Yeah.

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And after that, yeah, they will do that, classify

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all days. and a different area and a different

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province it's very different too like when you're

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going to Alberta like it's during the winter

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it's really dark and when I start we don't have

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any address and we have this direction and to

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find our farm it was pretty difficult yeah because

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it was dark and you're driving for five six miles

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and if you don't see any light you're lost yeah

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yeah but this is our province different like

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in bc you score more cows per day in quebec or

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ontario we score more herds less cows a little

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bit but yeah you you classify all day you try

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to give a good service and you finish at night

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it depends but normally we try to finish by five

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and yeah and after that like that we do phone

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call at night dinner and And the day after, we

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restart for five days. We try to classify around

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40 and 60, 40, 400 per day and around 60 ,000

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a day. Yeah. And sometimes we try. It's all classified.

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It's really, really important to give a good

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service to the breeder. Some, they start at 4

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a .m. because the breeder wants the other. full

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of milk and butter, and sometimes at 7, sometimes

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finish later. We always try to give a good service

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to the farm. And those teams are really, really

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passionate about what they're doing. And you

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need to. You need to because you're always yourself

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on the road, and sometimes you have a problem

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with one breeder, he's not happy, and you come

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back at the hotel, and you're just yourself,

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and you need to. to take it. And then I heard

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it's really happy. You know, it's like, yeah,

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it's like this judgment of people a little bit.

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And the class for you is like this, like this.

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Yeah. And it's not the easiest because I think

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with that passion and obviously the breeders

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who are classifying have a lot of passion. Yes.

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They have, they have goals and they hope, you

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know, sometimes, and sometimes maybe the cow

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isn't there yet. You have to handle that. Have

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you ever had those situations or how did you

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handle those situations when maybe you had to

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do a little tougher than maybe they were hoping?

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Oh, for sure, for sure. But the problem is that

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the breeder, they don't understand. That's why

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they don't create, they don't decide the classification

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program. It's the breeder decides, the board

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of classification decides, you know, and we just

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need to go by rules. And I think somewhere it's

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a whole steamboat a little bit because we don't

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explain enough. Pescation. This is the problem.

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I do some demo of pescation and I'm always surprised

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how people, they don't know. They don't know

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what that means, short order, what that means,

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this part, this part, this part. They don't know.

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Like, see, it's inside. You know when you milk

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500 cows, but when you milk 40 cows, it doesn't

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bother you. It's like, yeah. It's one thing I

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would say how the classification, in my opinion,

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has evolved over the years is I would say it's

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almost as much education as it is judging. I

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would have said when dad first was running it

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or was doing it back then, it was very much more

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just how did you evaluate the animals? And I

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think you could probably attest more than anyone

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that it's evolved to you're spending more time

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almost educating for most breeders than you are

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evaluating. This is the problem. We need to educate

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more people to classification because I'm always

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saying it after 100 years of classification and

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really they don't know enough about why we classify

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and why we build this kind of program. It's built

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for two things, longevity and productivity and

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it's the goal. I used to always kid because especially

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over the years between dad and Dalton and Tom

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and people like that, when they would come in

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to classify, they could look at the cow and they,

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and you probably would understand when they say

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this, we could probably within a point, tell

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you what that cow is going to score before you

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even start classifying. But then it's helping

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the breeder understand how to get there. And

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I always love to argue with Tom. because I knew

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the system enough because we used to have the

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little handhelds at home all the time. So I even

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learned where you tick this, tick this, tick

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this, you might be able to change certain things.

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And Tom would spend more time educating me on

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less studying of how the system works, Andrew,

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and more studying of what the functional cow

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is and what our goal is. So Tom, he knew that

00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:38.500
if I'd asked for certain ticks, he knew where

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I was trying to head when I was trying to get

00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:43.360
higher classification. But he said, even with

00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:45.039
all the ticks in the world, you're not changing.

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the animal much. And he says you're almost hurting

00:16:49.379 --> 00:16:52.580
yourself because the goal is to breed the next,

00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.980
make that cow last, but also breed from her as

00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:58.320
best you can. And so our job is to evaluate her

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as accurately as we can. And Tom was a great

00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:06.279
ambassador that way of explaining, not just that

00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.900
way. Yeah, this is a problem in education more

00:17:09.900 --> 00:17:13.259
than, because at the end, I don't think so score

00:17:13.259 --> 00:17:17.140
final is really important. You know, it's linear

00:17:17.140 --> 00:17:19.740
code. Every country, when they look at our genetic,

00:17:20.019 --> 00:17:23.839
they work with our linear code, not with the

00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.480
final score. Yeah, I think only the U .S. still

00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.180
uses final score a bit, and even that's not heavily

00:17:30.180 --> 00:17:33.500
anymore, the linears. But even at that, it's

00:17:33.500 --> 00:17:36.200
still the understanding, but educating breeders

00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:39.359
and relationships with the breeders is key. But

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it's also exciting. You've had the opportunity

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to breed some – or not breed. To classify some

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very exciting cows, are there any that have stand

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out in your memory? Oh, yeah, for sure. We have

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1197 points in Canada, and I've participated

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in a classification of eight of them. And I'm

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really happy. I participated, too, with the Fantasy,

00:18:06.309 --> 00:18:10.829
the Brunswick. Yep. And after that, Joy. The

00:18:10.829 --> 00:18:14.369
View Village, Gentlemen Joy. I scored with Daniel

00:18:14.369 --> 00:18:20.630
and Jean -Luc. And Gorgeous. Gorgeous. The jerseys,

00:18:20.650 --> 00:18:25.690
yeah. And the others, it's the first I score,

00:18:25.829 --> 00:18:31.730
I think. It's Rose. Yeah. Two -lane James Rose.

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We scored 98 on the same time at Kendra. I was

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going to say there was two that day, was there

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not, from my memory? I think it was Friday morning

00:18:41.750 --> 00:18:45.430
at Pierre Bouly at 7 a .m. And those two cows,

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they leave the weekend, the same weekend to Madison.

00:18:48.750 --> 00:18:51.589
Madison. And I remember Daniel and I, we were

00:18:51.589 --> 00:18:54.049
really nervous because we put a lot of pressure

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because we scored 97. And that time, Frosty scored

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97 -2 in the U .S. And they did the big talk

00:19:04.210 --> 00:19:07.109
about who's won deserve. And I remember Rose

00:19:07.109 --> 00:19:10.369
was sick. on the bed, and people say, rah, rah,

00:19:10.369 --> 00:19:15.589
rah. And at the show, boom. Yeah. I think Rose,

00:19:15.789 --> 00:19:19.269
she was really ahead of the breed that time.

00:19:19.430 --> 00:19:22.089
I think she changed the show. She changed the

00:19:22.089 --> 00:19:27.309
show smaller cows a little bit. And in 2026,

00:19:27.509 --> 00:19:30.910
it was a 2008, and it's the kind of deer she

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got. We have it today now. You know, her other

00:19:34.170 --> 00:19:37.930
was incredible, and their strength was wow. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. She doesn't have a perfect legs,

00:19:40.190 --> 00:19:45.549
but she was incredible. I think Kendra, she was

00:19:45.549 --> 00:19:51.690
pretty good. And Kendra, she was a really good

00:19:51.690 --> 00:19:53.970
cow. I think a little bit more valid than Rose,

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but not extreme on memory and the restraint to

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compare Rose. Yeah. And after that, yeah, go

00:20:03.990 --> 00:20:06.490
ahead. I think Rose started to bring the show

00:20:06.490 --> 00:20:09.690
guys back in line of maybe the commercial and

00:20:09.690 --> 00:20:12.849
classification side that she had to remind you

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that it wasn't about extremes and statures and

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frames and openness, that you needed to have

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that utter and everything to go with it. Because

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before it was a legit, you remember the dupe,

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it was so big and tall and long and it was alive

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and cool. But for us, she was really, really

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big. But, yeah, Rosie, I remember her. She was

00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:36.059
incredible. After that, I think one another,

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my favorite, I score for sure gorgeous. She's

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the best Rosie I've ever seen. The other was

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so white, and she was like a tank. She was incredible.

00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:51.859
And Hayley. Hayley, for her feet and legs, and

00:20:51.859 --> 00:20:56.609
for quality of the texture. and heli when she

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arrived on the ring nobody talking because she

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was so so stylish and she walked like a princess

00:21:03.529 --> 00:21:07.349
and she was incredible yes ellie and after that

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i would like to say another cow i think shakira

00:21:10.410 --> 00:21:15.910
i think shakira she was the most complete i would

00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:19.529
like to see all their legs around memory and

00:21:19.529 --> 00:21:21.589
their restraint i would like to see through a

00:21:21.589 --> 00:21:25.519
little bit there a little bit more But she's

00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:31.319
the most complete 97 I score with the guys. And

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we need to understand, we have 97 points, but

00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:38.220
they're not perfect. All have a little defect.

00:21:38.539 --> 00:21:42.579
Yeah, all of them. But, yeah, yeah. But I think

00:21:42.579 --> 00:21:44.660
those cows, it was really, really special. And

00:21:44.660 --> 00:21:47.440
the jersey, like, Villevillage, Jane Clement

00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:51.680
Joy, she's really special. She's really good,

00:21:51.740 --> 00:21:55.059
yeah. I score 88 first lactation. And I score

00:21:55.059 --> 00:21:59.640
97 after with Daniel and Charlie. Yep. Oh, wow.

00:21:59.660 --> 00:22:02.500
Yeah, I realize after so many years when I look

00:22:02.500 --> 00:22:07.539
at those cows, I realize how lucky I am to see

00:22:07.539 --> 00:22:12.319
those cows and score them. Yep, yep, yep. Oh,

00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:14.240
it's neat, especially because you're allowed

00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:17.079
in Quebec and everything too. But yeah, no, there's...

00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:21.759
Yeah. It's neat when you look back at them, and

00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:23.599
not just because they were great show cows, but...

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They were also just, like, especially the ones

00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:27.680
you highlight there, they were great cows day

00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:30.279
in, day out. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. You know, I

00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:32.940
can remember. People say they, I think you have

00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:36.299
a question about show. People say, oh, she's

00:22:36.299 --> 00:22:39.059
a show cow, she needs to be in the stall. It's

00:22:39.059 --> 00:22:41.660
not true. You know, those show cows, they produce

00:22:41.660 --> 00:22:45.019
lots of milk. And normally the breeder, they

00:22:45.019 --> 00:22:48.180
separate them because the values build it. They

00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:50.660
more value on those cows, and they need to keep

00:22:50.660 --> 00:22:53.950
a good body condition. And they need to protect

00:22:53.950 --> 00:22:57.630
them from accidents normally. But for sure, the

00:22:57.630 --> 00:23:00.490
extreme, we don't need extreme, but I think they're

00:23:00.490 --> 00:23:04.289
really balanced cows, especially in 2026. It's

00:23:04.289 --> 00:23:07.930
not like before. You know, when you see a ring

00:23:07.930 --> 00:23:09.849
like at the Royal, the two years old, three years

00:23:09.849 --> 00:23:11.930
old, it's incredible. Everybody would like those

00:23:11.930 --> 00:23:16.029
kind of cows on the market. You know? Yeah. And

00:23:16.029 --> 00:23:18.650
I would say the consistency of cattle nowadays.

00:23:19.420 --> 00:23:22.700
It's incredible. It's insane how consistent cows

00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:27.400
are. You can walk into any type of herd these

00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:30.799
days, and the level of consistency or functionality

00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.700
of the herds is drastically different, at least

00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:36.079
in my time and what I've seen, and you've probably

00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.740
seen it more than I have, just the consistency

00:23:38.740 --> 00:23:43.299
across all type of herds. And now, my emery system,

00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:48.500
it's incredible. We have little deep placement

00:23:48.500 --> 00:23:51.779
sometimes and deep length, but the attachment

00:23:51.779 --> 00:23:55.259
of the other, now it's incredible. When I start

00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:58.259
to classify, like we scored and sometimes we

00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:02.680
finish like 72 average, 73, and now we don't

00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:04.859
see that anymore. It's difficult to find the

00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:10.980
effort at 75, 76. 80 is over. This is the goal.

00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:13.039
We're on the good way. I'm really, really happy

00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:16.240
about that. No, no, I was going to say, because

00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:21.420
I can remember in my early days, and for some

00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:23.119
people, because of the way the system was, they

00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:25.720
were looking for the extremes. Now, like, you

00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:27.720
wanted extreme low, you wanted extreme high,

00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:30.779
and now I think on most classifier visits, you

00:24:30.779 --> 00:24:32.779
know, five, six points amongst two -year -olds

00:24:32.779 --> 00:24:34.240
is about as far as you're going to get apart

00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:38.980
in most herds, which is insane. I think now we

00:24:38.980 --> 00:24:42.420
need to talk about balance than everything else.

00:24:42.460 --> 00:24:46.000
Balance means balance. I give you a story. I

00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:49.660
was on the plane. I come from BC that time. I

00:24:49.660 --> 00:24:51.640
was with the Alleywell players, the football.

00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:55.440
And his name was Chu, something like that. He

00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:59.000
gave the ball to the quarterback. And he was

00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:01.579
sitting beside me. And he's 6 '2", 6 '3", and

00:25:01.579 --> 00:25:03.839
200 pounds. And he was sitting like this on the

00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:06.359
seat. And I said, oh, this guy is really too

00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.859
big and not comfortable, you know. But when he

00:25:09.859 --> 00:25:13.420
started to walk at the airport. He was really

00:25:13.420 --> 00:25:16.660
functional. That means he was strong and wide.

00:25:16.779 --> 00:25:19.579
That means the problem was he's not too big.

00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:23.359
The problem is his seat was too small. That means

00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:27.859
every cow doesn't fit everywhere. You know, it

00:25:27.859 --> 00:25:32.920
depends what kind of barn you guard. The breeder

00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.339
needs to look at that a lot, what kind of barn

00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:38.319
I have and what I really need. It's not every

00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.660
bull fits everywhere or cows fit everywhere.

00:25:41.180 --> 00:25:44.039
It depends what kind of installation you've got.

00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:46.880
Very much so, especially in Canadian operations

00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:50.440
because we have a lot of big open free stalls.

00:25:50.660 --> 00:25:52.819
A lot of them are Thai stalls or at least have

00:25:52.819 --> 00:25:55.400
been Thai stalls traditionally. It's true. It's

00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:58.980
true. And we still learn a lot, especially in

00:25:58.980 --> 00:26:02.779
Quebec with free stall. But the transition is

00:26:02.779 --> 00:26:06.680
going pretty good. Do you have any fun barn stories

00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.720
that over the years that just stick with you

00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.190
that you remember more than anything? yes my

00:26:11.190 --> 00:26:14.849
one of my first my first excellent i score in

00:26:14.849 --> 00:26:18.009
saskatchewan and i were two or three hours from

00:26:18.009 --> 00:26:21.609
saskatoon and that time every excellent we need

00:26:21.609 --> 00:26:25.410
to do a revisit and and we charge i think we

00:26:25.410 --> 00:26:27.529
charge the visit the second one when we score

00:26:27.529 --> 00:26:30.269
the excellent then and i was on the farm and

00:26:30.269 --> 00:26:32.509
i see these cows i need to score excellent we

00:26:32.509 --> 00:26:36.309
need to do a revisit then then i say i say i

00:26:36.309 --> 00:26:39.109
put on revisit i went outside i smoked a couple

00:26:39.109 --> 00:26:42.440
cigarettes And I come back in, and I score excellent.

00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We charge

00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:50.299
a revisit. Yeah, Bruno was really, really happy.

00:26:50.420 --> 00:26:55.500
Yeah, it was, yeah. Yeah, I remember. And, yeah.

00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.180
When you're working with breeders, what is the

00:27:01.180 --> 00:27:03.680
key message you're always trying to get to them,

00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:05.819
like help them understand? Because I know we

00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:08.380
talked about how much it's education, but what

00:27:08.380 --> 00:27:10.740
did you think the key role of the classifier

00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:13.400
was in sharing with the breeders over the years?

00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:18.200
The first thing is respect. I think we need to

00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.460
really respect them because those breeders work

00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:23.279
really, really hard, and they work harder than

00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.990
I can. Respect needs to be really important.

00:27:27.210 --> 00:27:30.569
But we need to say to them, like, management,

00:27:30.690 --> 00:27:33.309
it's not easy to say to them, you need to do

00:27:33.309 --> 00:27:35.390
that, you need to do that. And somewhere it's

00:27:35.390 --> 00:27:38.670
not our role. But I think it's really, really

00:27:38.670 --> 00:27:42.089
important to the class failure to explain what

00:27:42.089 --> 00:27:46.170
we're doing and talk to them about management

00:27:46.170 --> 00:27:49.130
a little bit. And we need to be really, really

00:27:49.130 --> 00:27:53.400
soft or we need to watch what we say. I think

00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.799
it's really, really important because, yeah,

00:27:55.900 --> 00:28:00.259
too many sellers everywhere and everybody say

00:28:00.259 --> 00:28:03.900
everything, everything, everything. But I think

00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:07.380
people need to help breeders because they're

00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:09.200
busy to outside, they're busy to everything.

00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:12.339
And the breeding, it's really, really important

00:28:12.339 --> 00:28:15.839
for them. Really important because it's the future

00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.559
revenue. And people don't take enough time to

00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.970
do it. And I think it's really important. to

00:28:22.970 --> 00:28:25.690
the class for you to help them to realize them

00:28:25.690 --> 00:28:30.490
that like how many guys say okay the the guys

00:28:30.490 --> 00:28:33.390
breed cows i don't know what's it and with everything

00:28:33.390 --> 00:28:35.890
you want you know it's it's the breeder need

00:28:35.890 --> 00:28:39.829
to know to know that and i really realize that

00:28:39.829 --> 00:28:44.049
when i score breeder need help on that way a

00:28:44.049 --> 00:28:48.529
lot yeah yeah because they buy something they

00:28:48.529 --> 00:28:51.470
don't need and stuff like that and it's they

00:28:51.470 --> 00:28:55.329
they're going anywhere with that yeah and i think

00:28:55.329 --> 00:28:58.710
it's our role to translate to them the passion

00:28:58.710 --> 00:29:01.569
of cows a little bit you know just say to them

00:29:01.569 --> 00:29:04.170
cows it's important it's important important

00:29:04.170 --> 00:29:08.450
because a lot of them they don't really care

00:29:08.450 --> 00:29:12.309
somewhere you know they don't make enough attention

00:29:12.309 --> 00:29:16.799
of their herds yeah No, it's neat. And I think,

00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.740
as I said, I think it started, in my memory,

00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:21.640
I'd say it was Tom was one of the first great

00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.220
ambassadors about teaching. And I think, obviously,

00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:28.000
I think Tom had a big impact on your style or

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.839
how you approach, because I see the same a lot

00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.759
of what he did in the sense of education and

00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.900
teaching is kind of, and relating with the breeders,

00:29:35.980 --> 00:29:39.519
I would say, is almost the key strengths that

00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:41.059
you guys have. And I think it's the things you've

00:29:41.059 --> 00:29:43.119
tried to pass on to other classifiers as well.

00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.180
Yeah, it's really important. And my role was

00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:49.299
to help to fast -forward, to educate them to

00:29:49.299 --> 00:29:53.279
do a better service. Because I think in 2026,

00:29:53.539 --> 00:29:56.920
when you say 83, she needs better legs, or 81,

00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:01.619
the memory system, it's not enough. The fast

00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:04.599
-forward, those things need to give a better

00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.420
service that way. Yeah, no, I think a lot of

00:30:07.420 --> 00:30:09.589
the time people think about it like, hey. You're

00:30:09.589 --> 00:30:12.069
not always going into, say, farm jakebs, where

00:30:12.069 --> 00:30:14.130
if you say, hey, her feet just aren't quite there

00:30:14.130 --> 00:30:16.329
enough, and they would kind of say, they would

00:30:16.329 --> 00:30:19.049
know yes or no or agree with you slightly. They

00:30:19.049 --> 00:30:21.210
would know that as much as you or as much as

00:30:21.210 --> 00:30:23.970
most any of us would ahead of time. But that

00:30:23.970 --> 00:30:26.869
is a small niche portion of the number of cows

00:30:26.869 --> 00:30:30.950
that you actually classify in a day. Yeah. We

00:30:30.950 --> 00:30:35.990
need to make more attention of the 95 % of breeders

00:30:35.990 --> 00:30:40.960
in it. Go follow the breed like the other. If

00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:48.079
you were talking to someone or when you're first

00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.799
training a young classifier, what advice do you

00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:55.839
give them? My first advice is have passion about

00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:59.740
cows. And after that, take a time to analyze.

00:31:00.019 --> 00:31:03.440
Don't hate them. Don't be exciting for them.

00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:08.839
Take a time to analyze them. my part, and understand

00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.579
the cows. Understand that. I think it's the most

00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:14.859
important. When you understand your cows, make

00:31:14.859 --> 00:31:18.140
everything easier. That means understand why

00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:20.920
she stands like this, why she's like this, because

00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:23.519
once you're in a balance, you have an impact

00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.019
somewhere. And I always say that. Take your time,

00:31:27.140 --> 00:31:32.119
analyze them, and it's this. And love what you're

00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:36.380
doing. As I say, Because it's like I don't know

00:31:36.380 --> 00:31:38.500
how often you were able to make it home at night,

00:31:38.539 --> 00:31:42.059
but it can be a grind at times. So you have to

00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:44.880
have that passion if you're going to stick with

00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.039
the grind. I don't think it's as much maybe nowadays

00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.180
they've tried to make it better, but it's still

00:31:49.180 --> 00:31:54.460
a grind, I would believe. For sure. to have the

00:31:54.460 --> 00:31:56.880
passion it's not everyone you know some it's

00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.319
natural some it's not me i'm lucky i would like

00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.980
to say i'm like tom little hit i have it and

00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:04.900
because i really like to learn i'm always want

00:32:04.900 --> 00:32:07.559
to learn and and i still learn what i said when

00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:11.279
i start to talk to you and and and i love to

00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.440
learn and this is why i did the move now because

00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:18.680
i want to still help breeder and learn about

00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:21.900
another stuff and i love it yeah Yeah, there's

00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:24.799
a neat, and I was seeing it when I was doing

00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.059
this, was there's a fun picture of you. I think

00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:29.700
it's at Mapleburn Farms where the kids are drawing

00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:33.460
cows while you're doing your classification visit.

00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:38.059
And I think that says so much right there because

00:32:38.059 --> 00:32:43.059
it's kind of helping the next generation and

00:32:43.059 --> 00:32:45.000
the passion of the next generation. I just love

00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.660
that picture. I think you posted it or Holstein

00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:50.529
did. Someone did. Yeah, it's so important. future

00:32:50.529 --> 00:32:53.130
of them we need to because i would like to see

00:32:53.130 --> 00:32:56.450
the young the young the new generation be thinking

00:32:56.450 --> 00:33:00.309
differently you know and and and them be thinking

00:33:00.309 --> 00:33:03.849
about for sure business and stuff but but they

00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:06.910
know if you if you explain to them when they're

00:33:06.910 --> 00:33:09.869
young and and they will know in the future when

00:33:09.869 --> 00:33:12.670
they will be on on the farm how it's important

00:33:12.670 --> 00:33:14.849
to have a balanced cows and the herds because

00:33:14.849 --> 00:33:19.990
when i said longevity it's it's the clue of the

00:33:19.990 --> 00:33:23.549
future. This is what we need, longevity and especially

00:33:23.549 --> 00:33:27.089
Holstein. And it's really important because I

00:33:27.089 --> 00:33:32.130
think it's 2 .5 average of lactation in Canada

00:33:32.130 --> 00:33:36.910
or 2 .7. And the cows need to produce three lactations

00:33:36.910 --> 00:33:40.690
to make more money. And we're still working hard

00:33:40.690 --> 00:33:44.829
on that. It's neat and I think I look at your

00:33:44.829 --> 00:33:47.509
career and I know from your predecessors that

00:33:48.089 --> 00:33:51.470
It's not just here in Canada. I know you've done

00:33:51.470 --> 00:33:55.710
a lot of work in other countries, too. And what

00:33:55.710 --> 00:33:57.750
has been your experience that way when kind of

00:33:57.750 --> 00:34:00.369
trying to both be an ambassador for Canada about

00:34:00.369 --> 00:34:02.349
our classification system, but also understanding

00:34:02.349 --> 00:34:05.150
other countries? How has that gone for you? And

00:34:05.150 --> 00:34:07.049
how would you compare what it's like here to

00:34:07.049 --> 00:34:10.489
other countries? I think we have a really good

00:34:10.489 --> 00:34:13.570
system. I think because our system, it's a calculation

00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:18.539
for moderation for each part. part of measurement

00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:21.860
i think it's really really important and and

00:34:21.860 --> 00:34:24.400
for the gold of our system it's longevity and

00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.800
productivity and and i think the other country

00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.780
really like our system but we need to understand

00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:34.980
every country i need a different thing on the

00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:38.239
breed you know like in australia the cows the

00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.059
outside and another place it depends which country

00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:45.389
you are but Me, what I learned the most, and

00:34:45.389 --> 00:34:48.630
I think I would like to say it's my baby, locomotion.

00:34:49.389 --> 00:34:52.909
I've always, always pushed to have locomotion

00:34:52.909 --> 00:34:57.010
for a long, long time. And this was my goal before

00:34:57.010 --> 00:34:59.530
I leave, to have locomotion, because I think

00:34:59.530 --> 00:35:02.829
it's really, really important. And our biggest

00:35:02.829 --> 00:35:05.110
challenge was in Canada. We still have a lot

00:35:05.110 --> 00:35:10.019
of ice falls. It was our biggest challenge. Yeah,

00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:11.360
I always find it interesting, and the one that

00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:12.940
comes to my mind because I was recently there

00:35:12.940 --> 00:35:15.719
is when I was in the Azores, and they like to

00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.760
use a lot of our high -type bulls, which is great,

00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.420
and they like that. But those cows have to walk

00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:24.320
for anywhere from an hour to two hours a day

00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:28.059
from out in the hills down to the parlor and

00:35:28.059 --> 00:35:31.139
back up. And our cows, especially if you have

00:35:31.139 --> 00:35:33.239
ones that are slightly stiffer or straighter

00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:37.659
in the hawks, don't typically last well on that.

00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.920
They can last fine on the cement. in North America,

00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:44.940
but you take them to hilly countries or even

00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:47.300
New Zealand or anywhere where they have to walk

00:35:47.300 --> 00:35:50.340
significantly, but especially on hilly countries,

00:35:50.619 --> 00:35:53.920
locomotion is a whole different definition maybe

00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.380
than even what we would call locomotion, but

00:35:56.380 --> 00:35:59.280
it's a key part in their longevity for sure,

00:35:59.380 --> 00:36:02.059
especially internationally. For sure, and our

00:36:02.059 --> 00:36:05.500
system, the tree more important on Finland makes

00:36:05.500 --> 00:36:08.610
its hill. Side view and rear legs review for

00:36:08.610 --> 00:36:11.230
locomotion. And I think we're pretty good now.

00:36:11.409 --> 00:36:15.210
Yeah. I'm really happy. Yeah. Yeah. I would think

00:36:15.210 --> 00:36:17.730
there's a lot more consistency on how we evaluate

00:36:17.730 --> 00:36:20.909
it now, too. Yes. That would be one of the biggest

00:36:20.909 --> 00:36:23.809
changes. We need to work on that for sure. And

00:36:23.809 --> 00:36:28.989
I did a video with Jill Nelson. We did a video

00:36:28.989 --> 00:36:31.530
on locomotion and we sent it to the class for

00:36:31.530 --> 00:36:35.329
you and they can look at. yeah we call them one

00:36:35.329 --> 00:36:38.550
to nine and i learned a lot on the other country

00:36:38.550 --> 00:36:42.750
uh about locomotion because then locomotion the

00:36:42.750 --> 00:36:45.130
the under lifehole would you be on the classification

00:36:45.130 --> 00:36:49.409
program always like i think in england the ponderation

00:36:49.409 --> 00:36:53.090
of locomotion is really really high and and and

00:36:53.090 --> 00:36:55.789
they have number behind a number i mean money

00:36:55.789 --> 00:37:00.010
you know when you have a good locomotion you

00:37:00.010 --> 00:37:04.840
you cows make more money yep yep yep And it is,

00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:06.780
as you said, especially it's not even just different

00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:12.619
environments. Cows live in all different areas,

00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:14.179
and that's probably the one where it's the biggest

00:37:14.179 --> 00:37:18.099
affected by management would be the locomotion

00:37:18.099 --> 00:37:20.659
part. Especially you have the one extreme in

00:37:20.659 --> 00:37:25.039
Quebec where some cows are in the stall most

00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:26.639
of the time, especially maybe a little bit out

00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.000
in the summer, but the rest of the time of the

00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.579
year in a tie stall most of the time. And then

00:37:30.579 --> 00:37:33.309
you have other countries where it's... They live

00:37:33.309 --> 00:37:35.630
outside 99 % of the time, and they're just brought

00:37:35.630 --> 00:37:38.150
in for some concentrated milking. And that's

00:37:38.150 --> 00:37:40.409
where I think locomotion is even more important.

00:37:40.550 --> 00:37:43.429
Not more important, but more focused on. And

00:37:43.429 --> 00:37:45.849
it's really hard for them here. You know, when

00:37:45.849 --> 00:37:49.989
I start to classify, we classify our first lactation

00:37:49.989 --> 00:37:54.889
at 32, 33 months, and they milk 20 kilos a day,

00:37:54.909 --> 00:37:58.530
and they were outside all summer. And now they

00:37:58.530 --> 00:38:01.769
calf at, I think, 24 months average now in Canada,

00:38:01.809 --> 00:38:05.869
but some at 22 and 40, 45 kilos. And it's really

00:38:05.869 --> 00:38:09.190
hard for them. And it's really important they

00:38:09.190 --> 00:38:12.829
have a good locomotion because when you have

00:38:12.829 --> 00:38:16.030
a heifer who's like, she produced 45 kilos, you

00:38:16.030 --> 00:38:17.949
know, energy she needs, it's not like she runs

00:38:17.949 --> 00:38:21.869
a marathon every day. That means she needs to

00:38:21.869 --> 00:38:27.719
have something behind her to... can produce and

00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:30.719
still in the barn. That means this is why we

00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.519
need balance cows, balance ever. I still remember

00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:36.420
one time we were classifying and I had a cow

00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:39.559
that maybe wasn't the best walking and Tom knew

00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:43.059
that. And he said, I want to get her out. She

00:38:43.059 --> 00:38:45.000
was 84 as a two -year -old and I wanted her 85.

00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:47.639
And Tom said, okay, you get her out and walk

00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:51.940
her. And if she walks well, I'll make her 85

00:38:51.940 --> 00:38:54.559
or we can get her there. But because he was adamant,

00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:59.000
her legs weren't good enough. And if not, we'll

00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.980
leave her at 84 today, Andrew. And Dad and Lenny

00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:03.800
just giggling in the background because they

00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:05.420
knew full well that there was no way I was going

00:39:05.420 --> 00:39:07.659
to be able to get her to walk well enough. So

00:39:07.659 --> 00:39:12.000
Tom won. Tom did win. She stayed at 84. We never

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.739
got her to 85. I was trying to argue her legs

00:39:14.739 --> 00:39:17.300
were better than they were, and Tom's experience

00:39:17.300 --> 00:39:20.460
knew that. Oh, yeah. I see what you're trying

00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:22.519
to say. When the leg's a little bit straight,

00:39:22.659 --> 00:39:26.219
you don't have any flexibility. No. And I said

00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:28.960
to him that she lives all day in her stall. And

00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:30.480
he said, well, it looks like she's been washed

00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.679
and been this and this and this in the last few

00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:34.699
days. So she's been out of the stall at least

00:39:34.699 --> 00:39:36.739
a little bit, Andrew. And I'm like, and that's

00:39:36.739 --> 00:39:38.599
when I started. It started going downhill right

00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:43.039
there. And dad and dad. especially when Tom was

00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.000
classifying, Dad never really got involved. He

00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.940
just left it to whoever, like I would present

00:39:46.940 --> 00:39:48.840
or Lenny would present, just because, you know,

00:39:48.900 --> 00:39:51.739
the history. But he was sitting back giggling

00:39:51.739 --> 00:39:54.679
like a turkey the whole time and not helping

00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.159
me there. So I lost a lot of battles against

00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:01.019
Tom, but that one I lost as well, which was fun.

00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:03.880
It was a lot of fun. But you've seen a lot of

00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:05.460
change because I think about it now when you

00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:06.860
say about it, like we've had genomics that come

00:40:06.860 --> 00:40:09.099
in. But in Quebec, you know, we've gone to robots.

00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:10.920
Like you have the extremes that you probably

00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:13.519
see. in most of the herds, what have been the

00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.980
biggest changes or how has it changed and changed

00:40:15.980 --> 00:40:17.940
what you had to do over the years because of

00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:20.619
that? For sure, what I said, the memory system

00:40:20.619 --> 00:40:24.460
has changed a lot, but I think Genomic was the

00:40:24.460 --> 00:40:28.199
best tool we never had. You know, I remember

00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.920
when we started with Genomic, like Classifier

00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.920
was scared. He said, ah, Genomic won't take our

00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.019
job and stuff like that, and they were scared

00:40:36.019 --> 00:40:38.880
because I remember that time, people said, we

00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.659
don't need classification anymore. We have genomic,

00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:46.260
but genomic, for sure, it's the best tools, but

00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:52.239
it's one box of tools. That means if genomic

00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.239
is so important in 2026, we need to have classification

00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:04.440
to prove the numbers of genomic. And this is

00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.079
why it's so important. We need to still classify

00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.800
to have a better number of genomic. like viability,

00:41:11.940 --> 00:41:15.159
not viability, of numbers, they need classification.

00:41:15.579 --> 00:41:18.699
Yeah. This is why it's really important. Yeah.

00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:22.239
No, and I look at it now because there are some

00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:26.019
tendencies now where there's certain operations

00:41:26.019 --> 00:41:28.599
or genetic corporations that have five, six,

00:41:28.659 --> 00:41:30.940
seven generations with no classification or milk

00:41:30.940 --> 00:41:33.840
recording. Yeah. And without that validation,

00:41:34.099 --> 00:41:39.300
we run into so many problems long run. And that's

00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:41.280
just an industry. And then at the herd level,

00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.340
you know, the validation, you still need the

00:41:44.340 --> 00:41:46.679
validation. Even if they're better about predicting

00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.579
it, we still need the validation. And the system

00:41:49.579 --> 00:41:54.039
needs the information to adjust. We always need

00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.639
to learn about the past. And we know when genomics

00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:00.460
arrive, some, they totally forgot family. They

00:42:00.460 --> 00:42:03.480
totally forgot all of that, all of this. And

00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.969
they need to come back. because they really realize

00:42:06.969 --> 00:42:10.170
family and cows because we always talk about

00:42:10.170 --> 00:42:12.809
bull bull bulls but we need to talk about feed

00:42:12.809 --> 00:42:16.329
out you know it's like it's it's both and and

00:42:16.329 --> 00:42:19.849
we need to have both to to increase the the breed

00:42:19.849 --> 00:42:25.289
and now i think with the little mistake on the

00:42:25.289 --> 00:42:28.949
past they realize we need to have a good family

00:42:28.949 --> 00:42:32.010
not just numbers but we need both it's really

00:42:32.010 --> 00:42:37.130
important yeah Yeah, and it's evolving. I think

00:42:37.130 --> 00:42:39.789
that's the one thing. I think about it now. I

00:42:39.789 --> 00:42:41.130
was sitting there the other day, and I saw a

00:42:41.130 --> 00:42:45.670
two -type model from the 70s. That has them all.

00:42:45.949 --> 00:42:48.789
I was looking at it. And you look at the evolution

00:42:48.789 --> 00:42:52.909
of the cow, and I think that's the biggest thing

00:42:52.909 --> 00:42:55.210
I think we need to continue is to keep evolving.

00:42:55.769 --> 00:42:59.329
Like the cows are changing, and so are the environments

00:42:59.329 --> 00:43:01.429
they live in. So the cows are going to change.

00:43:01.869 --> 00:43:04.969
That is going to be the thing that we keep needing

00:43:04.969 --> 00:43:07.110
to adjust and the systems need to change to go

00:43:07.110 --> 00:43:11.050
with it. That's one of the things I think as

00:43:11.050 --> 00:43:13.150
a Canadian I take a lot of pride in is how much

00:43:13.150 --> 00:43:18.250
our system has evolved to match how the production

00:43:18.250 --> 00:43:21.090
systems have changed. Yeah, but it's funny because

00:43:21.090 --> 00:43:26.050
like we talk about Canadian time, but when I'm

00:43:26.050 --> 00:43:29.670
going to another country, In my head, they say,

00:43:29.690 --> 00:43:31.889
this is a Canadian kind, and this is the cows

00:43:31.889 --> 00:43:36.530
they love. You know, that's me. I know you can

00:43:36.530 --> 00:43:41.409
talk about American cows or Canadian. I think

00:43:41.409 --> 00:43:44.710
everybody, every herd in the world needs the

00:43:44.710 --> 00:43:49.570
same cows. Like, balance. And this is where we

00:43:49.570 --> 00:43:51.829
are, because the breeding, it's all around the

00:43:51.829 --> 00:43:54.530
world now, you know? It is very much global.

00:43:54.829 --> 00:44:00.059
Yeah. When I see a cow's balance, I always say,

00:44:00.099 --> 00:44:03.519
this is a Canadian cow. I don't know why, but

00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:08.380
it's like last time I was in Brazil or Colombia,

00:44:08.579 --> 00:44:11.340
I was there a few months ago, and I said, this

00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:13.900
is a beautiful Canadian cow in my head because

00:44:13.900 --> 00:44:17.920
I don't want to say something to them. But yeah,

00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:22.250
it's balance. We talk about balance. And you've

00:44:22.250 --> 00:44:24.570
had the opportunity to travel, Fairwood, as an

00:44:24.570 --> 00:44:26.769
ambassador for Canadian and a Canadian classification.

00:44:27.289 --> 00:44:29.809
Have there been trips or times that you've enjoyed

00:44:29.809 --> 00:44:32.570
the most or been the most proud of or found the

00:44:32.570 --> 00:44:35.469
most beneficial? Every time, to be honest, every

00:44:35.469 --> 00:44:39.769
time I love everywhere I work. Like the two last

00:44:39.769 --> 00:44:43.309
training I did, it's so incredible how people

00:44:43.309 --> 00:44:48.650
like our Canadian house, how they like what we're

00:44:48.650 --> 00:44:52.519
doing. And they listen a lot, and they learn

00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:56.119
with us, and I learn too. But I think, yeah,

00:44:56.179 --> 00:44:59.940
it's those countries. And, yeah, I really like

00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:02.639
that world too, and Australia. We love it. It's

00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.840
beautiful. And to be honest, everywhere I worked,

00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:10.639
I was really, really exciting. Really exciting,

00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:14.639
yeah. I think two persons. And I'm surprised

00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:19.949
how they have a good cow. I mean, you know, we

00:45:19.949 --> 00:45:22.150
think we're just us and the world, but the word

00:45:22.150 --> 00:45:25.989
is, wow, wow, and wow, like, yeah. There's a

00:45:25.989 --> 00:45:28.190
neat part when you think about what our cattle

00:45:28.190 --> 00:45:31.550
population size is to the world and yet how much

00:45:31.550 --> 00:45:35.190
our genetics and our systems are actually used

00:45:35.190 --> 00:45:38.489
proportionally. I think it speaks volumes for

00:45:38.489 --> 00:45:41.530
Canada in the sense of like our genetics, like

00:45:41.530 --> 00:45:43.550
we're what, very small percentage, but we're

00:45:43.550 --> 00:45:46.690
a large percentage in the genetics sold and same

00:45:46.690 --> 00:45:48.949
with our classification system. The number of

00:45:48.949 --> 00:45:50.969
countries that are based off of it or work with

00:45:50.969 --> 00:45:54.489
ours is quite impressive. I'm always shocked

00:45:54.489 --> 00:45:58.230
there. I always get a chuckle because I benefit

00:45:58.230 --> 00:46:01.489
from, because dad was, you know, when I first

00:46:01.489 --> 00:46:03.829
went into Italy or first went into a lot of South

00:46:03.829 --> 00:46:06.449
American countries, dad was the one doing that.

00:46:06.789 --> 00:46:09.550
And now when I go back to those countries, a

00:46:09.550 --> 00:46:12.090
lot of people who are the senior people like

00:46:12.090 --> 00:46:16.170
Corrado and different ones were people dad trained.

00:46:17.299 --> 00:46:21.280
So I was like, wow, that's neat. But I go to,

00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:25.579
like, when I was in Ecuador this year, they're

00:46:25.579 --> 00:46:29.480
so, like, excited, like, to the Canadian system,

00:46:29.579 --> 00:46:33.400
the Canadian kind, the Canadian genetics. They

00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:35.579
really, really appreciate that. And in their

00:46:35.579 --> 00:46:37.079
Holstein Association, they have a lot of our

00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.739
two -type models sitting there. And I just think,

00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:45.059
wow, as ambassadors globally, Canada has done

00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:47.440
a great job. over the years and continues to.

00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:49.840
And I think a lot of people should understand

00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.440
that from Canada, just how much that is appreciated

00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.420
and that we're willing to help and share with

00:46:55.420 --> 00:46:57.760
other countries, as you know. That's greatly

00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.699
appreciated. And to be honest, our greater Canada,

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.480
they have so much passion that they can't judge

00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:09.039
when they go in there. And the picture and everything,

00:47:09.260 --> 00:47:12.500
like, if he's so passionate, then this is passed

00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:15.900
to the other country. My dream was, before I

00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:20.039
leave, I never did it, but it was to help the

00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.739
other country to use our program. You know, Australia

00:47:22.739 --> 00:47:25.860
use our classification program, but I always

00:47:25.860 --> 00:47:29.440
would like to get a country to use it too. Yeah,

00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:36.539
because I think everybody needs to have, I would

00:47:36.539 --> 00:47:38.909
like to say... Not the chance, but everybody

00:47:38.909 --> 00:47:43.230
can be available to use our Canadian genetic,

00:47:43.550 --> 00:47:46.070
especially with the classification system, because

00:47:46.070 --> 00:47:51.789
we have a really good system. Some day business

00:47:51.789 --> 00:47:56.210
and money, I don't know. Yeah. So you've traveled

00:47:56.210 --> 00:47:58.710
a lot of miles. You've been in a lot of barns

00:47:58.710 --> 00:48:01.769
over the years. Yeah. And seen a lot of cows.

00:48:02.429 --> 00:48:07.130
When you think about your career and think about,

00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.280
what this career gave you or what you've learned

00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:12.519
from it or appreciated from it, what comes to

00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:18.900
your mind? Yeah, what I learned is to be humble.

00:48:19.539 --> 00:48:23.119
And I would like to say about respect again,

00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.760
but how people, they love what they're doing.

00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.219
Like, you know, when you're going to score, like

00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:32.639
I would like to say, they love their breed. Everybody

00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.789
loves what they're doing. And, yeah, this is

00:48:36.789 --> 00:48:39.849
what I learned the most and how Canada is beautiful.

00:48:40.929 --> 00:48:43.789
Yeah, I never traveled all across Canada before.

00:48:44.409 --> 00:48:49.289
And, yeah, I don't know if I answered your question.

00:48:50.030 --> 00:48:56.510
Yeah, no, but as you transition now, and you've

00:48:56.510 --> 00:49:00.269
had a long time at Holstein, but recently news

00:49:00.269 --> 00:49:03.349
came out that you're not quite just riding off

00:49:03.349 --> 00:49:06.219
into the sunset. You're going to start a new

00:49:06.219 --> 00:49:08.579
endeavor. Do you mind sharing what your new endeavor

00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:14.820
is? Yeah. What do you mean? Sorry. So you're

00:49:14.820 --> 00:49:17.500
not just retiring and going to go play golf all

00:49:17.500 --> 00:49:20.780
the time. You're going to actually stay active

00:49:20.780 --> 00:49:22.699
in the industry. What are you going to be doing?

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:30.760
I'm going to work for Blobe, Sires. Why? I think

00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.719
it's another way for me to translate Canadian

00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:38.440
cows. Because I think that for the time they're

00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.239
there, they improve a lot. They show the way

00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:46.119
they want to go. What I want to do, it's still

00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:50.840
helping breeders. Another way. I think I can

00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:54.679
help with management a little bit. Everywhere.

00:49:54.940 --> 00:49:56.659
I don't want to say management because that's

00:49:56.659 --> 00:50:00.800
not my role. I understand what breeder need because

00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.340
with my 29 years and this is what I want to give

00:50:04.340 --> 00:50:08.320
to them. More, I would like to say more, we go

00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.780
follow more the breed, more the breeding they

00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:13.320
do and stuff like that because it's an investment

00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.420
and it's really, really important. This is why

00:50:16.420 --> 00:50:19.300
I'm going there and be honest, I never want to

00:50:19.300 --> 00:50:23.739
stop to work because I love to work with cows.

00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.219
I love to see them. I feel them and I love it.

00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:34.179
yeah yeah it's neat when i heard that yeah it

00:50:34.179 --> 00:50:37.800
was hard for me to take this decision to leave

00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:41.340
because i really love the team i work with but

00:50:41.340 --> 00:50:45.280
i think i was really for the challenge yeah yeah

00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:48.199
i think it's neat when i heard that news i thought

00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.179
i should bear and then when you mentioned your

00:50:50.179 --> 00:50:52.900
bear about bringing you into here because when

00:50:52.900 --> 00:50:55.179
you bear transitioned from being a classifier

00:50:55.179 --> 00:51:00.920
to working on the genetics side, he told me that

00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:03.260
it's not really that much different. It's still

00:51:03.260 --> 00:51:05.820
relating with the breeders. It's helping the

00:51:05.820 --> 00:51:08.480
breeders. It's all the same. Maybe the role is

00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.019
a little different, but the skills and the things

00:51:11.019 --> 00:51:15.059
he had to use in one made him very good at the

00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:18.570
other. I think he has fully retired now. We did

00:51:18.570 --> 00:51:21.409
both see him, I think, just recently, but he

00:51:21.409 --> 00:51:24.789
is fully retired now. But Jaber had a lot of

00:51:24.789 --> 00:51:26.150
passion and did very well at it, and I think

00:51:26.150 --> 00:51:28.550
you'll be exceptional at it too. And I think

00:51:28.550 --> 00:51:31.989
it's a key part because I think about it with,

00:51:31.989 --> 00:51:34.849
like, Fitzy, Fitzsimmons, and with the average

00:51:34.849 --> 00:51:37.110
breeder, just helping them understand how to

00:51:37.110 --> 00:51:40.250
use that information is such a key part. Yeah,

00:51:40.250 --> 00:51:42.460
yeah, yeah. and that'll be great so i'm sure

00:51:42.460 --> 00:51:46.619
you'll do great at that i still i still to learn

00:51:46.619 --> 00:51:49.420
a lot about boats and stuff because so many numbers

00:51:49.420 --> 00:51:54.719
but i think it's it's really important to to

00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.340
help breeder and what they really need in the

00:51:57.340 --> 00:52:00.099
field and this is what i want to do and i really

00:52:00.099 --> 00:52:04.659
like simone because he take this decision the

00:52:04.659 --> 00:52:08.340
time we did they stopped to use family and him

00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:10.500
he say oh i don't have this product anymore and

00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:12.280
they started because they're supposed to sell

00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.119
just embryos it was the goal when they start

00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.179
and after that they say oops we don't have a

00:52:17.179 --> 00:52:20.679
boom we want and i will do it and and yeah and

00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.820
be honest i i i said this small i don't want

00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:28.739
to sell this event i'm not a sailor but this

00:52:28.739 --> 00:52:31.099
is why they said to me i'm ambassador but My

00:52:31.099 --> 00:52:33.679
role will be, like, educate people what is a

00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.440
good cow. Like, what is a balanced cow. Because,

00:52:36.619 --> 00:52:39.500
you know, we talk about tip -tip. I was on the

00:52:39.500 --> 00:52:42.159
farm, I think, a long time ago. And the breeder

00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:44.019
said, I don't like tight. I don't like tight.

00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.380
And I score cows 81. And they say, nothing. I

00:52:47.380 --> 00:52:50.500
score 182. And I score 185. I say, maybe you

00:52:50.500 --> 00:52:52.280
don't like her. They say, oh, yeah, she's my

00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:53.920
best. And blah, blah, blah. And she produces

00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.320
lots of milk. I say, yeah, but this is tight.

00:52:57.460 --> 00:52:59.940
You know? Yeah, yeah. And I think it will be

00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:03.360
my role. to educate people what is real type,

00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:07.380
not it's balanced somewhere. And I think you'll

00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:10.280
be great at translating that for breeders. I'm

00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:14.380
trying. And if you ever do, as you want to learn,

00:53:14.420 --> 00:53:18.000
I think you have a teammate there that I think

00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.980
if we looked at his lactonate usage, Dan Brady

00:53:20.980 --> 00:53:23.739
would probably be the one who has spent the most

00:53:23.739 --> 00:53:27.039
time looking up pedigrees in our industry, period.

00:53:27.139 --> 00:53:30.929
So I'm sure he'll help you learn. More of that

00:53:30.929 --> 00:53:32.929
side of things. And then there's Brian and Simone

00:53:32.929 --> 00:53:36.150
as well. I'm just teasing that, Dan. Dan spends

00:53:36.150 --> 00:53:38.929
a lot of time on that. So you'll have someone

00:53:38.929 --> 00:53:41.329
there you can lean on for sure to help you that

00:53:41.329 --> 00:53:45.150
way. So I think it'll be great. So cool. Well,

00:53:45.369 --> 00:53:49.030
I think that actually covers all of my questions.

00:53:49.110 --> 00:53:51.530
It does. It covers all of my questions. Is there

00:53:51.530 --> 00:53:54.030
anything we didn't cover that you wanted to share?

00:53:54.230 --> 00:53:58.610
Let me see. Where did I get to everything? I

00:53:58.610 --> 00:54:02.170
think I got to everything. yeah no and i think

00:54:02.170 --> 00:54:04.389
we're good can i say what i really like about

00:54:04.389 --> 00:54:08.269
cows and you can very much so so country doesn't

00:54:08.269 --> 00:54:12.050
use loin but for me it's one of the most important

00:54:12.050 --> 00:54:15.210
part of the cows the line yeah yeah structure

00:54:15.210 --> 00:54:18.530
of the line it's it's for me it's and it's really

00:54:18.530 --> 00:54:22.110
important and and everyone if you have a old

00:54:22.110 --> 00:54:25.349
cows in the barn you have a good line always

00:54:25.349 --> 00:54:27.969
and i think it's really really important and

00:54:27.969 --> 00:54:31.690
structure of ribs it's really important to produce

00:54:31.690 --> 00:54:35.050
milk. And so with that, do you mean also like

00:54:35.050 --> 00:54:38.230
how they're connected to each other? Like I think

00:54:38.230 --> 00:54:40.570
everyone thinks a loin is loin, like the curvature,

00:54:40.769 --> 00:54:43.090
but I think when you define loin, I think you

00:54:43.090 --> 00:54:45.070
define it more of how it's all interconnected.

00:54:45.510 --> 00:54:48.210
Yes, the loin, it's the vertebrae on the top,

00:54:48.250 --> 00:54:50.929
not the short limb. We want this really strong,

00:54:51.150 --> 00:54:54.429
really wide, because we need the white cows to

00:54:54.429 --> 00:54:58.960
produce milk, to eat more. And loin, keep the

00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:02.320
fertility system on the good angle on the cavity.

00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:06.059
Normally, first lactation, you don't see that,

00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:08.619
but when the cow's older holder, if they have

00:55:08.619 --> 00:55:11.139
a bad loin, it's more difficult for them to breed

00:55:11.139 --> 00:55:13.280
them because it changes a lot the angle of the

00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:17.400
cavity. And less care of eye pins than the loin.

00:55:18.659 --> 00:55:20.340
That's what I mean. Some people associate it

00:55:20.340 --> 00:55:23.840
with the pin thing, but I think the big thing

00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:25.739
I think people need to understand is that loin

00:55:25.739 --> 00:55:29.539
strength isn't the from hooks to pins angle it's

00:55:29.539 --> 00:55:33.079
actually the from side to side and how the how

00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:35.000
it's all connected into the ribs i think is the

00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:39.219
key part we need to realize we need to check

00:55:39.219 --> 00:55:41.579
inside of the cows when you look at the cows

00:55:41.579 --> 00:55:44.920
not just outside i mean if you got a good line

00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.659
you can see inside still on the good angle of

00:55:47.659 --> 00:55:50.199
the cavity of the fertility system and this is

00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:54.079
why it's for me so important yeah yeah but i

00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.079
think the breed I would like to see the genetic,

00:55:58.179 --> 00:56:02.059
it's higher than the breeder can use presently.

00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:05.099
Because the management, I don't know if you understand

00:56:05.099 --> 00:56:09.119
what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Because the genetic

00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:12.940
is pretty, pretty, pretty high now. I can't imagine

00:56:12.940 --> 00:56:15.719
on the future we have better cows than that.

00:56:15.739 --> 00:56:20.659
I can't. I think. It'll evolve, but yeah. Yeah,

00:56:20.659 --> 00:56:23.300
a little bit, but not like on the last 15 years

00:56:23.300 --> 00:56:26.619
for sure. Yeah. Especially with genomics. Yeah.

00:56:27.219 --> 00:56:30.619
With genomic, when I started to classify, I think

00:56:30.619 --> 00:56:34.039
we did 0 .5 average for very good first calf.

00:56:34.179 --> 00:56:39.880
Now it's 6%. Yeah. It's incredible. It's genomic,

00:56:39.940 --> 00:56:43.199
uniform, all the breed. Yeah. I don't know if

00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.340
it was Brad or someone, because I remember with

00:56:45.340 --> 00:56:48.559
dad, the goal was always to have certain percentages.

00:56:49.759 --> 00:56:52.239
in each like how many x are very good two -year

00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.699
-olds how many this or that and i remember having

00:56:54.699 --> 00:56:57.099
like dad always said quote we only can have x

00:56:57.099 --> 00:56:59.840
number of very good two -year -olds and i think

00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:01.679
if you do it by today's standards we're actually

00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:04.840
probably a lot higher than that but the system

00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:07.599
and the cattle have evolved so much that they

00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.480
it is changed that much that you can't just keep

00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:13.500
the old percentage of very good two -year -olds

00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:15.840
like it used to be the we don't want x number

00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.360
of no Now we want to just identify them accurately.

00:57:20.420 --> 00:57:23.179
It doesn't matter where they end as long as we're

00:57:23.179 --> 00:57:25.500
identifying them as accurate as possible. It's

00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:27.579
true. And the goal is to have a good process

00:57:27.579 --> 00:57:32.539
from the roots. And our biggest challenge, it's

00:57:32.539 --> 00:57:35.219
not ours now, but the biggest challenge of classification

00:57:35.219 --> 00:57:39.400
in the future is score those young effort at

00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:43.860
24 months, 32 months, less than 60 days, score

00:57:43.860 --> 00:57:46.619
them a little bit better. I mean, because they

00:57:46.619 --> 00:57:50.219
change a lot. To compare like 60 days at four

00:57:50.219 --> 00:57:54.940
months and milk, it's a big difference. And we

00:57:54.940 --> 00:57:58.219
also need to work on that to improve a little

00:57:58.219 --> 00:58:00.820
bit the classification of those young cows. We

00:58:00.820 --> 00:58:04.539
did some change, like we did like moderation

00:58:04.539 --> 00:58:07.639
of chest width and body depth for those younger,

00:58:07.900 --> 00:58:10.900
but I think we need to learn still about those

00:58:10.900 --> 00:58:14.079
young cows. Yeah. I got into this debate with

00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:17.880
Ted. Last week, last week, because I was writing

00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:20.599
an article on Prelude and what happened with

00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.619
Prelude. And Prelude is the reason we have First

00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:25.519
First, because a certain classifier went into

00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:28.820
eastern Ontario and rescored a lot of Preludes

00:58:28.820 --> 00:58:33.159
really high. Yeah. And his type proof went way

00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:36.380
up. Yeah. And we had some issues. So they brought

00:58:36.380 --> 00:58:38.820
in First First. And that's a whole separate thing.

00:58:38.860 --> 00:58:40.960
We brought in First First. But I was arguing

00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:44.039
that we almost, as you said just now. almost

00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:46.639
need to look back at this even if it's not first

00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.599
first if it's first a second or some point because

00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:54.300
so many of these cows are maturing so much because

00:58:54.300 --> 00:58:57.000
they're calving so young in first lactation yeah

00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.519
that by the end of their first lactation or into

00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.329
their second lactation She may have only looked

00:59:02.329 --> 00:59:04.909
like an 82 .2 -year -old, but she may be an 88

00:59:04.909 --> 00:59:08.010
.2 -year -old just because, like, that's an extreme,

00:59:08.230 --> 00:59:12.869
but because she's matured so much, yet the system,

00:59:12.929 --> 00:59:14.630
when we look at it from a genetic evaluation

00:59:14.630 --> 00:59:17.570
standpoint, has missed that cow because we only

00:59:17.570 --> 00:59:19.409
look at first -first. Now, States does still

00:59:19.409 --> 00:59:21.869
look at it. So we are getting into the how do

00:59:21.869 --> 00:59:24.369
you service the one without hurting the other,

00:59:24.469 --> 00:59:27.010
and that's obviously a problem we should look

00:59:27.010 --> 00:59:30.889
at, but it is a situation that... These cows,

00:59:30.989 --> 00:59:32.650
because they are calving so young, are maturing

00:59:32.650 --> 00:59:35.650
so much. It's true. But, you know, when they

00:59:35.650 --> 00:59:38.630
build the system, they build it for two -type

00:59:38.630 --> 00:59:42.610
cows. Yep. But we can't have a two -type at 22

00:59:42.610 --> 00:59:45.769
months at 40 kilos. And the biggest challenge

00:59:45.769 --> 00:59:49.090
will be analyzing whether they restrain. It's

00:59:49.090 --> 00:59:53.010
a big, big difference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's

00:59:53.010 --> 00:59:55.510
fun. The system needs to learn about that still.

00:59:55.570 --> 00:59:57.480
Yeah. That's what I mean. So it's evolving. I

00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:59.920
always say it's evolving. The only thing I hope,

01:00:00.019 --> 01:00:02.440
if we ever stop evolving, then I will get worried.

01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:07.199
As an industry and as organizations, if we keep

01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:09.400
evolving to adjust to how everything's changing,

01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:12.239
we'll be fine. But if we stop evolving and think

01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:14.420
that we've got it figured out, like even with

01:00:14.420 --> 01:00:16.260
genomics, if we think we've got it figured out

01:00:16.260 --> 01:00:19.260
because we have genomics, then we're going to

01:00:19.260 --> 01:00:21.440
have problems. It's true, and we'll never stop.

01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.119
And we learn, we learn, and we analyze, and it's

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a good thing. And this is where we are now. It's

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after 100 years. Like beautiful cows and lots

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of milk. It's perfect. As long as we stay passionate

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and evolve. And I would say that's two things

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I think you've done very well. I try. I appreciate

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that. Thank you. That was the classifier behind

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eight EX -97s. The story of Bruno Jubinville.

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29 years on the road. Eight 97 -point cows, a

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dozen countries, and one message that never changed.

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Balance, longevity, respect the breeder, love

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the cow. If this story resonated with you, share

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it with someone who needs to hear it. A young

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classifier, a breeder chasing extremes, or anyone

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who thinks genomics replaced the need to actually

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look at cattle. Find the full article, photos,

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and more at thebullvine .com. This has been The

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Bullvine, where the dairy industry turns for

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honest, independent insight.