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Breaking free from the chains of the past Where

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truth moves faster than a Holstein calf No law

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waiting on some printed page We're charting new

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ground in the digital age From genomic codes

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to robot facts We cut through the noise, no hold

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them back not your daddy's dairy news tonight

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we're sparking Welcome back to the Bullvine Podcast,

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where we cut through dairy industry noise to

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get you the insights that actually matter for

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your operation. And today, we're diving deep

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into a feature piece about the silent crisis

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in our alleys. Farmer suicide. I know. It's a

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heavy topic. And to be honest, when we first

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put this on the editorial calendar, well, I saw

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you hesitate. I did. And I think a lot of our

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listeners, when they see that title, their first

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instinct is maybe to skip this one. They're thinking,

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I don't have time for feelings right now. Yeah,

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exactly. I have cows to milk. I have a scraper

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that just went down. And the milk prices. Well,

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you know where the bulk price is. You nailed

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it. That was exactly your first thought, wasn't

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it? It was. Usually we're here to argue about

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genomic sires or, you know, we're tearing apart

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a USDA production report. We're debating whether

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robots actually pay off in under five years.

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Right. That's the stuff I like. That's the stuff

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that feels like farming. When people start talking

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about mental wellness in agriculture, my eyes,

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I'll admit, they usually glaze over a little

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bit. Why do you think that is? What's that resistance?

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Because. My mind immediately goes to the milk

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check. It goes to the feed bill. It goes to that

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fresh heifer that just slipped in the crossover

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and whether she's going to make it back into

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the herd. It feels like luxury property. Or something

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you can't afford to deal with. Yeah, or just

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something you shove down deep so you can get

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the work done. You put on the boots, you go.

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Yeah. But reading through this piece, this article,

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Silent Alleys, this isn't just about feeling

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sad. This is, well, it's about the fact that

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we are losing good operators. We are. We are

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losing neighbors. And from my perspective, this

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isn't just about losing a friend, which is, of

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course, devastating. It's about the survival

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of family legacy. That's exact. It's about genetics

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programs that took 30, maybe 50 years to build

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just vanishing in a single afternoon because

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the person who held it all together isn't there

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anymore. It's about the economic viability of

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our entire rural community. I mean, if the farmers

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go, the feed mill goes, the vet goes, the town

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goes with them. Exactly. And to put a finer point

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on it from the data side, because, you know,

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that's where I live. The source material we're

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looking at today shows a direct quantifiable

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correlation between farmer mental health and

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herd performance metrics. OK. This is the part

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that really grabbed me. And I think it's going

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to grab the listener who, like you, thinks they

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don't have time for this. The listener who just

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wants to talk about cows. Right. The source material

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suggests that ignoring your own headspace, your

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own stress level, is actually bad business strategy.

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It is measurably bad for your bottom line. And

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that's the bullvine angle we always promise,

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isn't it? The contrarian take. It has to be.

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Because the culture, everything we're taught,

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tells us to tough it out. The industry says,

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grin and bear it, rub some dirt on it, stop complaining

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because your grandfather had it way worse. But

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what we're going to unpack today is this idea

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that your cows, they might actually know you're

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in trouble before your own spouse does. That

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is a bold statement. I mean, that sounds like

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something out of a marketing brochure. It does.

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But we're going to back it up. We're going to

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talk about some fascinating robotic milking data

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and how it can, in a way, predict suicide risk.

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It sounds unbelievable, but the data is there.

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It really is. So we are going to challenge that

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tough it out culture, not just because it's unhealthy

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for people, but because it is a direct operational

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liability. The risk factor. It's a risk factor,

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just like a broken gate on a pen or a slippery

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floor in the parlor. All right, let's get into

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it. Let's start with segment one, problem identification.

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The source article frames this so perfectly by

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contrasting two very different types of death

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on the farm. They call it the silence versus

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the spectacle. Right. And they start with the

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story of Reed Hostetler. And this hit me hard

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reading it. This was just back in March of 2025

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over in Ohio. A young guy, 31 years old, a dairyman.

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And it's the nightmare scenario we all dread

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every single time we start a PTO or walk near

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a pit. Walk us through what happened there. It's

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March in Ohio, so you know exactly what that's

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like. It's wet, it's muddy, everything is slick

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with that spring thaw. He's climbing onto a tractor

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to agitate a manure pit. Okay. And the tractor

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tips. He goes in. God, it's horrifying, just

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the thought of it. It is. And the article details

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how his brothers, I mean, they jumped in right

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after him trying to save him. They risked their

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own lives in that moment, breathing in that gas,

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fighting the suction. But the pit. It's a complete

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tragedy. A complete tragedy. But what the article

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highlights next is the response. And anyone listening

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to this who lives in a farm community, you know

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exactly what this looks like. You've seen it.

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The cavalry arrives. Instantly, the community

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descends. The article mentions they had to fix

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up the long gravel driveway to the farm because

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the frost was coming out of the ground. And they

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knew hundreds, maybe thousands of cars were coming.

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They were preparing for the support. They put

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down stone so the mourners wouldn't sink in the

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mud. The barn was overflowing for the funeral.

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Everyone stood shoulder to shoulder. It was loud

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support. It was visible. We are here for you.

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He was a good man. He died doing what he loved.

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It's that classic rural rally, and we are so

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good at that. When there is a physical accident,

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a barn fire, tornado farmers are the best first

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responders in the world. We show up with casseroles

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and skid steers and checkbooks. We do. We're

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amazing at it. But then the article... pivots

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and it asks us to compare that huge loud public

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response to the whispered deaths yeah to the

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suicides and it's night and day it is a completely

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different world there are no fundraisers there

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are no we lost one of our own rallies in the

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town square yeah you get a short obituary in

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the paper maybe the cause of death is omitted

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entirely or it just says died suddenly at home

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and then it's just silent it's the empty chair

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at the kitchen table that nobody talks about

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Ever. Yeah. And I think that contrast is so important

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because it shows how we as a community, we value

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these lives differently or at least how we process

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the loss differently. How so? If you die in a

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tractor rollover, you're a martyr to the industry.

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It's tragic, but it's seen as, you know, part

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of the job. It's a risk we all accept. It's an

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honorable death in a way. In a way, yeah. But

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if you die by your own hand, you're a secret.

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You're a shame. You're something to be whispered

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about behind closed doors. And that secrecy,

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that silence is masking a massive statistical

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reality. Let's get into the core data here because

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it's pretty shocking. Okay, lay it on me. Between

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2000 and 2018, rural suicide rates in the U .S.

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rose 48 percent. 48. 48 percent. Compare that

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to 34 percent in urban areas. So the curve is

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steeper out here where we all live and work.

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So it's already bad everywhere, but it's getting

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worse faster for us. Exactly. But then you zero

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in specifically on farmers. The source says farmers

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are about three and a half times more likely

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to die by suicide than the general population.

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3 .5 times. That is. That's not a rounding error.

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That isn't just a slightly bad year for the industry.

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That is a systemic failure. It's a crisis. The

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specific rate they mentioned for male farmers,

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ranchers and agricultural managers is 43 .2 deaths

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per 100 ,000. And what's the average for like

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a regular worker? Much, much lower. It's not

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even in the same ballpark. We are in a category

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of our own alongside some other very high stress

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professions. You know, when you hear a stat like

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43 deaths per 100 ,000, it sounds clinical. It

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sounds like something from a government report.

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It does. It's abstract. But when you live in

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a county with maybe 500 active dairy families,

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you do the math. That means everyone knows someone.

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Everyone. It's a different world out in the country.

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We have, you know, the isolation. We have...

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Ready access to lethal means. Firearms are the

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dominant method, as the source points out. But

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three and a half times the general population.

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That's staggering. You know, if we had a calf

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mortality rate that was three and a half times

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the industry average, what would we do? We'd

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panic. We would declare a state of emergency

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on the farm. We would be calling every vet in

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the state. We'd be tearing the barn apart, looking

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for the pathogen. We'd be changing the ventilation,

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changing the milk replacer, firing the calf feeder.

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We would do something. We would treat it as an

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emergency. An absolute emergency. We would treat

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it as an operational crisis. But with this, with

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our own people, we treat it as, I don't know,

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a character flaw. Right. The way it is. Or we

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just don't talk about it. We just don't talk

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about it. Which brings us to the next point.

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And this is the one that I think is going to

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make some people listening a little uncomfortable.

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But we need to hear it. This is where the source

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article really digs in with that bullvine style

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of myth busting. Right. Segment two, the industry

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reality check. There is this myth out there,

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right? The everyone knows myth. The idea that

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if a farmer is struggling, you'll see it. Or

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that farm stress is this hidden internal thing

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that doesn't really affect the barn until it's

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way, way too late. Right. We think we can compartmentalize.

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We tell ourselves that lie every morning. I'm

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stressed out. I'm not sleeping. The bank is calling

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every day. But I'm a professional. I don't let

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it affect the cows. But you can't. It's impossible.

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And we're here to bust that myth. We're using

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a 2021 study on robotic milking herds to do it.

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Okay, lay this out for me because this part is

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fascinating. This is where theory meets the alleyway.

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It really is. So researchers looked at a number

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of farms that were using robotic milking systems.

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They had vets and hoof trimmers score cows for

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lameness and for under conditioning, you know,

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body condition score. So hard. Physical data

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on the cows. Exactly. How the cows were walking,

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how much flesh they were carrying, objective

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data. Then they matched that herd data to mental

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health surveys that were filled out by the farmers

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who were running those herds. And what did they

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find? They found a positive, statistically significant

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association between farmer stress and severe

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lameness prevalence. So simply put, the more

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stressed out the farmer is, the more severely

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lame cows are standing around in the alleys.

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Yes. And it wasn't just stress. They found that

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stress and depression were higher on farms where

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they were still feeding manually versus having

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an automated TMR. Okay, that makes sense. More

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labor. They also found it was higher where farmers

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reported working alone most of the time. And

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this one is really interesting. It was also higher

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on firms where the milk protein was lower. Lower

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milk protein. OK, let's unpack this because I

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can hear the skeptics right now saying, oh, so

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what? The robot is a psychiatrist now. The lily

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knows I'm sad. No, let's look at the operational

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impact. Why does this happen in the real world?

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I know why. I've lived it. Tell us what happens

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in the barn when the farmer is mentally cracking

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up. It's all about bandwidth. It's about mental

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capacity. When you are running on pure adrenaline

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and worry, when you are just trying to keep the

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lights on and make payroll, you stop doing the

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non -urgent stuff. The preventative maintenance.

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Exactly. You don't re -bed the stalls quite as

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often because you're rushing to fix a broken

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feed chain, or you're on the phone with the bank,

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or maybe you're just so bone tired you can't

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face it. And you miss things. You miss that slight

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head bob at the lockup. You know the one I'm

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talking about. The cow that's just starting to

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favor one foot. The very first sign. The very

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first sign. If you're sharp, if your head is

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in the game, you catch it. You pull her out,

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you wrap it. She's fine in three days. But if

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you're staring at your phone, just waiting for

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the lender to call you back, you walk right past

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her. You miss it. And three days later, she's

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three -legged lame and off 100 pounds of milk.

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It's a complete loss of focus on the details

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that matter. And foot baths. Oh, man, foot baths

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are the first thing to go. Mixing up that solution,

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hauling those 50 -pound bags of copper sulfate.

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It's heavy. It's messy. It's a chore. If you're

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exhausted and depressed, you look at it, you

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say, you know what? I'll get to it next week.

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And next week becomes next month. Exactly. And

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suddenly you've got hairy heel warts or digital

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dermatitis flaring up across the whole herd.

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And now you have a real fire to put out. And

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what about the trim lists? Oh, the trim lists.

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If you're scared to spend a single dollar because

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milk is at $16 and your feed bill is late, are

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you calling the hoof trimmer for routine maintenance?

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Probably not. No. Maybe you push that visit back

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three weeks to save a few bucks. Or you tell

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yourself, oh, I'll just trim that one problem

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cow myself. But you never get around to it because

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you're working 16 hours a day all by yourself.

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So the takeaway here is actually profound. Lameness

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isn't just a stall design problem. It isn't just

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a nutrition problem or a genetic problem. It

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is a mental health KPI, a key performance indicator

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for the human element of the farm. That hits

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hard. If your lameness rate is up and your production

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is down, check your own head. Before you go and

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blame the premix, before you blame the quality

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of the sand in the stalls, look in the mirror.

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Are you functioning? Because if you aren't, the

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cows are the first ones to feel it. They are

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the canary in the coal mine. And that links back

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to the why now. mental health as a production

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metric. Maybe it gives permission for some of

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these tough it out guys to actually address it.

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You would never ignore a high somatic cell count.

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You shouldn't ignore this. But we also have to

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acknowledge why the stress is there in the first

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place. It's not just, you know, brain chemistry.

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It's the brutal economic environment we are operating

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in. Absolutely. Segment three, follow the money,

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the economic squeeze. This is where we get real.

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The source brings up Wisconsin as the prime example,

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the poster child for this crisis. In the year

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2000, Wisconsin had farm numbers in the mid -teens.

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Thousands of dairy farms. Right. Around 15 ,000,

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16 ,000. By 2024, the number is roughly 5 ,222.

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That's a 70 % loss. 70 % of the dairies in America's

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dairy land. Gone. In less than 25 years. That

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is a hollowing out of an entire industry and

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a way of life. And it's not just numbers on a

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page. It's the get big or get out trap that everyone

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talks about. It is. The article mentions a farmer

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named Jerry Volanek and his story. Man, it's

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so relatable. He started with 70 cows. He did

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everything the experts told him to do, everything

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you're supposed to do. He followed the playbook?

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The exact playbook. Grew to 300 cows, started

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milking three times a day, farmed more land.

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But here's the kicker. He said he was doing it

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with fewer people than he had when he was milking

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70 cows. Exactly. And the result, he said he

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only broke even through great personal sacrifice.

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The happiness, he said, was just sucked out of

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him. He didn't want to be that guy, always stressed,

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always broke, always working. But the economics

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of the industry forced his hand. And looking

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at the 2020s economics specifically, the source

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highlights the sharp rise in Chapter 12 bankruptcies.

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We're seeing 50 percent year over year increases

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in some regions. It's the squeeze. It's coming

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from all sides. We've got these massive price

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shocks from trade disputes, Mexico, China, Canada.

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The milk price can swing 65 cents to $1 .75 per

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hundredweight just because of some tariff rumor

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on the news. And when your margin is already

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razor thin, that kind of volatility is deadly.

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It's impossible to budget for. And then you have

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the input costs. Feed, fuel, labor. The article

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says they're up 30 to 100 percent just between

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2021 and 2024. That's an incredible increase

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in just a few years. Let's do the real world

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math on labor for a minute. The source brings

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up the H -2A visa program. So many people in

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the city think that immigrant labor is cheap

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labor. It's not cheap. Not by a long shot. No.

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When you add in the housing you have to provide.

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the transportation, the visa fees, the mountain

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of compliance paperwork, the effective cost to

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the farm is somewhere between $30 and $35 an

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hour. $35 an hour. Try making a margin on $16

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milk when your labor is costing you that much.

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And at the same time, the processor is taking

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more and more of the value. That's another key

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point the article makes, how the value is migrating

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from the producers to the processors through

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things like make allowances and de -pooling and

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base excess programs. Right. So the farmer is

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getting squeezed from the input side with higher

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costs and getting squeezed from the output side

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with processors taking a bigger piece of the

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pie. And the mental toll of that constant, unrelenting

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pressure. You know, farmers are good at sprinting.

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We can sprint through harvest. We can sprint

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through a bad spring planting season. But you

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cannot sprint forever. And that is what the economics

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are demanding right now, a forever sprint. And

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that is what is driving this stress. Which leads

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us directly into who is actually breaking under

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this pressure. Segment four, demographics, succession,

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and what the article calls the hidden depression.

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This part of the article was really surprising

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to me. It's called the diagnostic paradox. The

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data actually shows that farmers often have lower

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measured psychiatric morbidity, which is a clinical

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way of saying diagnosed depression, than the

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general population. Wait, I don't get that. So

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we aren't depressed, but we're killing ourselves

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at three times the rate. How does that work?

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Essentially, yes. And here's the paradox. It

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means farmers don't show up in the system. They

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aren't going to a therapist and getting a code

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for major depressive disorder put in their medical

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file. They just... Check out. So we're not getting

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counted. Exactly. The source cites an Australian

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study on this. It found that farming suicides

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were less likely to have a documented mental

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health history, 36 % versus 46 % for non -farmers,

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and they were less likely to have used any mental

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health services recently. So they don't say,

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I have depression. They just say, I'm done. Or

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they think, maybe the farm would be better off

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without me and the life insurance policy. That

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is a terrifyingly common thought. That distinction

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is crucial because it means the standard red

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flags that the medical community is trained to

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look for, a prior diagnosis, a history of medication,

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they just aren't there for a lot of farmers.

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We fly completely under the radar until it's

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too late. Completely. There's also a significant

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gender dynamic at play here. A study from 2022

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found that female farmers were 3 .28 times more

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likely to report suicidal ideation. So women

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think about it more. They think about it more.

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But men die more often. Because of the means.

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Firearms are the dominant method. It's lethal

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and it's immediate. There's often no second chance.

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And then there's the age factor. A massive heartbreaking

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share of these suicides are farmers over the

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age of 65. Which brings us to the succession

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stress. Right. This. This hits home for a lot

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of guys I know. You're 65, maybe you're 70. You've

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worked your entire life on that piece of ground.

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Your body's worn out. And you don't have a successor.

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Or maybe the kids want to take over. But you

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look at the books and you know the farm can't

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possibly support two families. The source describes

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it as the crushing weight of being the generation

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that failed. That is the sentence that keeps

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me up at night. The generation that failed. Just

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imagine, your grandfather built the barn, your

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father expanded the herd, and you. You're the

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one who has to call the auctioneer and sell the

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cows. The identity confusion, the guilt. It doesn't

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clock out when you leave the barn. It follows

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you into the house. It follows you to bed. It

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stares at you from the ceiling at three in the

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morning. It's so tragic because it conflates

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these massive market forces, which are completely

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out of your control, with a sense of personal

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failure. But when your entire identity is the

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farmer, losing the farm feels exactly like losing

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yourself. So we have this massive problem. We

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have the data showing how bad it is. We have

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the economic pressure. We have the demographic

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crisis. What in the world do we do about it?

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Segment five, case studies and solutions. Because

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the toolkit is, thankfully, starting to change.

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It is. But first, we have to be honest about

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the barriers. Why don't farmers just go to the

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doctor and say, I'm not doing well? Well, stigma

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is huge. The article says 40 % of Canadian farmers

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admitted they'd be uneasy seeking help. But it's

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also just practical. It's what I call the fishbowl

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effect. Explain that for the listeners who maybe

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aren't in a small town. Okay. If I drive my truck

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and everyone in a five -county radius knows my

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truck, it's the beat -up Ford with the specific

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decal on the back window. And I park that truck

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in front of the mental health clinic in town.

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Someone's going to see it. Within 20 minutes,

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the guy at the feed mill knows, the loan officer

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at the bank knows, the neighbors know, and the

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rumor mill starts churning. Jake's losing it.

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Is the farm in trouble? Maybe we shouldn't extend

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him any more credit this month. That is a legitimate

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business fear. It's not just paranoia. It's real

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risk. And then there's the trust issue. I'm sorry,

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but I do not want to talk to a town doctor who

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has never pulled a calf at 2 in the morning.

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I don't want to have to explain to a therapist

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why a milk check being two days late is a full

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-blown crisis. They just don't get it. So what

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does work? The source highlight peer support

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as one of the most effective tools. And specifically,

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it tells the story of Randy Roker in Wisconsin.

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Randy is a hero, plain and simple. He built a

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brand new barn right before the 2008 crash. The

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timing couldn't have been worse. He was losing

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$30 ,000 a month. $30 ,000 a month? Yeah. He

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said he stopped eating, he stopped sleeping,

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he was suicidal, and he's very open about it

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now. He is. He's incredibly brave in sharing

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his story. But here's the key to what he's doing

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now. He leads the Farmer Angel Network. It's

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a support group. And where do they hold their

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meetings? In churches. In churches. Two counties

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over from where the members live. Why two counties

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over? So nobody recognizes the trucks in the

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parking lot. That is the genius of it. It's a

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simple, practical solution to the fishbowl effect.

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You can walk in there and be anonymous in a sense.

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You can be vulnerable without the local gossip

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mill grinding you up and spitting you out. That

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is such a smart farmer -led adaptation. The source

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also mentions the Sentinels program in Quebec.

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Yeah, which is basically training agronomists,

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vets, and feed reps to spot the signs of distress,

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the people who are already on the farm. And do

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more ag in Canada. Their slogan is so simple

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but so powerful. Talk it out, don't tough it

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out. There's specific programs now, too, which

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is new. The Farmer Wellness Initiative in Ontario

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has a 247 line staffed by people who understand

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agriculture. There are ag wellness vouchers in

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Utah that provide up to $2 ,000 for care. And

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the Farm Family Wellness Alliance in the U .S.

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is using a platform called TogetherAll, which

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is totally anonymous online peer support. But

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I think the most revolutionary concept in this

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whole article is the idea of first responders.

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Who aren't actually paramedics or firefighters.

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Right. It's the vets, the feed reps, the lenders,

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the people who are in the barn every single week.

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They see the operational indicators that we talked

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about earlier. They see the lame cows. Exactly.

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Your vet knows if you skip the last three herd

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checks. Your nutritionist knows if you're just

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staring at the bunk, totally zoned out while

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they're trying to talk to you about protein levels.

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Your lender knows if you're being evasive about

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your financials. They see the cracks forming

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before anyone else. The source suggests training

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these people in something called QPR question,

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persuade, refer, or in mental health first aid.

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It just makes sense. If a feed rep sees that

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the feed inventory is stretched way too thin

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and the farmer is acting erratic and angry, that

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rep is in a much better position to say something

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than a doctor the farmer sees once a year for

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a checkup. But that requires the feed rep to

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know how to say something, what to say, and what

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not to say. Which brings us to segment six. contrarian

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takes how to actually talk to a farmer who is

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struggling this is the hard part because we are

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as a group socially awkward people we generally

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like cows better than we like people the article

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contrasts the cheer up approach versus what it

00:24:38.420 --> 00:24:40.980
calls radical directness please for the love

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of god never tell a farmer who's in a deep hole

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that it's devastating It sounds like pity. It

00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:47.500
sounds like you're writing their obituary while

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they're still standing there. It's the worst

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thing you can say. So what should you say? What's

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the alternative? Empathy, not sympathy. Something

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like, man, this is a tough spot. I know a couple

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of other farms going through this exact same

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thing right now. Let's talk through what happens

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next. It turns it from a feeling into a plan.

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We're good with plans. We can work with a plan.

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It externalizes the problem. It's not you are

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a failure. It's we have a problem to solve. Exactly.

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And then there's the hardest question. The one

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everyone is terrified to ask. The suicide question.

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There is a pervasive myth that asking someone

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if they are suicidal will somehow put the idea

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in their head. All the experts, all the research

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says that is absolutely 100 % false. If they're

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at that point, trust me, the idea is already

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there. You're not introducing anything new. So

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the script the source provides is simple and

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direct. You look them in the eye and you ask,

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has it gotten bad enough that you've thought

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about ending your life? Direct. No euphemisms

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like, hurting yourself? Just ask the question.

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And if the answer is yes, what's the protocol?

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You stay. That's rule number one. You do not

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leave them alone. You call for help, 988 in the

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US, or that 1 -866 -FARMS -EAR -01 number in

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Canada. You remove access to lethal means if

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you can do it safely. But mostly, you just stay.

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You listen. You are a physical presence that

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says you're not alone in this. It's powerful

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stuff. Really powerful. It is. And I think...

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You know, I'll be honest, I was skeptical at

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the start of reading all this material. I thought,

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here we go, another fluffy piece about feelings.

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But that link to lameness in the herd, the economic

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reality of the forever sprint, that made it real

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for me. That grounded it. Same here. It grounds

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the mental health crisis in the physical, tangible

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reality of the farm. It's not abstract anymore.

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All right. We've covered a lot of ground here,

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some of it pretty rough. But a farmer just finished

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milking. He's driving to the feed store, and

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his head is spinning with all this. What are

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the three things he or she absolutely needs to

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remember from today? Give me the actionable insights.

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All right, let's break it down. Immediate, medium,

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and long -term. So, number one, immediate action.

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This is for this week. It's simple. Post the

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numbers. Don't wait until you're in a crisis.

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Don't wait until an employee is struggling. Take

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a Sharpie right now. Write 988 if you're in the

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U .S. or 1 -866 -FARMS -WO -01 if you're in Canada

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on the parlor whiteboard. Put it on a magnet

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on the shop fridge. Post it in the staff break

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room. And tell your team what it is, right? Don't

00:27:12.690 --> 00:27:15.029
just put a number. Yes, absolutely. Normalize

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it. Say, hey, this is here. If you or anyone

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you know is having a tough time, it's confidential

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and it's for us. And here's a specific tactic

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I really like from the source. The rule of seven.

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The rule of seven? If your personal stress level

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is a 7 out of 10 or higher. And by that, I mean

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you are waking up in the morning already feeling

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behind before your feet even hit the floor. Make

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one call. Just one. Test it for an hour. You

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aren't committing to a lifetime of therapy. You're

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just checking the pressure valve on the system.

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I like that. The rule of seven. It gives you

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a tangible metric. It's not just a vague if you

00:27:46.660 --> 00:27:49.000
feel bad. What's the medium term? Number two,

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medium term strategy. This is for the next three

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to six months. I'm calling it the mirror check.

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The mirror check. Pull 12 months of your herd

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data. Specifically, look at three things. Your

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rate of severe lameness, your somatic cell count

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trends, and your fresh cow problems. Ketosis,

00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.180
DAs, metritis. The mental health KPIs we talked

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about. Exactly. Lay that data out. If the cows

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look rough on paper, if lameness is creeping

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up, if SCC is bouncing around and you find yourself

00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.880
snapping at the kids at home or kicking the tractor

00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.579
tires in frustration, treat that as a combined

00:28:22.579 --> 00:28:25.759
red flag. So do just treat the cows. Do not just

00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.119
treat the cows. Treat the operator. Recognize

00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.640
that it is a herd health A &D, a farmer health

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issue. They are linked. The herd is a mirror

00:28:34.579 --> 00:28:36.940
reflecting the well -being of the manager. That's

00:28:36.940 --> 00:28:39.460
a good one. If the cows are limping, ask yourself

00:28:39.460 --> 00:28:41.720
why you might be limping, metaphorically. Yeah.

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Okay. What's the long -term play? Number three,

00:28:44.500 --> 00:28:47.019
long -term positioning. This is for the next

00:28:47.019 --> 00:28:49.920
one to two years. It's about legacy and training.

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Two parts here. First, training. Get one person

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on your operations certified in QPR or mental

00:28:56.140 --> 00:28:58.660
health first aid. Just one. Just one to start.

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Maybe it's your spouse. Maybe it's your most

00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:02.839
trusted employee. Maybe it's you. Make it as

00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:05.339
normal as getting your CPR and first aid training.

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It's another tool in the farm safety kit. Just

00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:09.880
part of the standard operating procedures for

00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:12.039
safety. I like it. Exactly. And the second part

00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:16.259
is succession. Create a human column in your

00:29:16.259 --> 00:29:19.769
yearly business plan. A human call. Yes. We plan

00:29:19.769 --> 00:29:21.789
for corn yields. We plan for milk production.

00:29:21.950 --> 00:29:24.730
We plan for capital expenditures. We never plan

00:29:24.730 --> 00:29:27.009
for the people. So even if you don't have a successor

00:29:27.009 --> 00:29:30.329
lined up yet, sketch out a rough transition plan.

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What would it look like? What are the options?

00:29:32.309 --> 00:29:35.309
Just the act of writing it down can relieve some

00:29:35.309 --> 00:29:37.569
of that immense pressure of it all ends with

00:29:37.569 --> 00:29:40.670
me. That human column is vital. It's probably

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the most important column and the one we always

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leave blank. That's the list. Post the numbers

00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:47.059
this week, check the mirror of your herd data

00:29:47.059 --> 00:29:49.539
this season, and start training for the future

00:29:49.539 --> 00:29:52.460
of your people this year. Solid, actionable advice.

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And look, to the listeners out there, we know

00:29:55.579 --> 00:29:57.480
it's tough right now. We really do. The milk

00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.779
price is what it is. The input costs are brutal.

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But you are the most valuable asset on that farm.

00:30:03.059 --> 00:30:05.279
Not the tractor, not the robot, not that high

00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.160
genomic heifer you just bought. You. And if that

00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.650
asset breaks down... Nothing else matters. Well

00:30:10.650 --> 00:30:12.829
said. This has been another Bullvine podcast

00:30:12.829 --> 00:30:15.490
from the Bullvine podcast. For more straight

00:30:15.490 --> 00:30:17.750
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00:30:17.750 --> 00:30:19.650
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00:30:19.650 --> 00:30:23.069
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00:30:23.069 --> 00:30:25.490
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topics will be a real pivot from this one. We're

00:30:30.730 --> 00:30:32.549
going to tease the truth about hyper rearing

00:30:32.549 --> 00:30:35.210
costs. So stay tuned for that. And please stay

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safe out there. Thank you.
