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Creeping across the pasture land. Got dirt on

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the boots and a working hand. From the milk house

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home to the auction call. These are the folks

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standing strong and tall. Yeah, this is... Welcome

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to the Bullvine Podcast. In 2006, Francisco Rodriguez

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didn't own a single registered cow. By 2023,

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he'd co -bred a World Dairy Expo Supreme Champion.

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But here's the thing. When that moment finally

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came, he realized the journey mattered more than

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the banner. Today's guest is Francisco Rodriguez,

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fifth -generation Colombian breeder, co -founder

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of Proterra Genetics, and the man behind Shakira.

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Marcella, and a breeding philosophy he calls

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the decade rule. In this conversation, we dig

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into why world -class cows still take 10 years

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from vision to peak, how he uses genomics as

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a tiebreaker instead of a starting point, and

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why he rebuilt his entire life around a framework

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called 25 -25 -25 -25 after his wife told him

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she was done. Whether you're chasing banners

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or just trying to keep your herd profitable through

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a tough decade, This one's going to make you

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think. Let's get into it. And it kind of all

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started back in 2012 when we first met you, first

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did an article about you. You were just a young

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veterinarian from Columbia who had come to Madison,

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started working with DeLaval and the robotic

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milking systems. Our article at the time, we

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titled it Passion with a Purpose, which we've

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talked quite a bit about since then. And you

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talked about even at that time. juggling your

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career between your family farm back in columbia

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and your dreams for holsteins in north america

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and then fast forward to today and quite a bit

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of stuff has happened uh you've had a world you've

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bred a co -bred a world dairy expo supreme champion

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your family and yourself has bred uh half the

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columbian national champions in that time you've

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moved from de la val to founding in a partnership

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with your tropical dairy system and some other

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grand champions. So it's great to catch up with

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you again, and we're going to go over some of

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that stuff. That sounds fantastic, Andrew. Thank

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you so much. And it has been an interesting 13

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-year journey since the day we started talking

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for the first time. Yeah. Now, let's start where

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we left off. We did the article. It was called

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Passion with a Purpose. And you and I have discussed

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since then, looking back, how that meaning or

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that phrase has evolved for you over those last

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13 years. What does that mean for you, this journey

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you've been on? You know, it is interesting because

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it means perhaps you were able to see something

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with your wisdom, something that at that time

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I could not see, but perhaps it was used there,

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right? Because that's exactly what you do when

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you're, When you're loyal to your own feelings

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and when you really do what you love. Some days

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ago, I was thinking about what's going on with

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my life right now. And I said, you know what?

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So I came up to the conclusion that everything

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I do, I love, which is passion. But everything

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I do has a very strong why, which is purpose.

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And I said, passion and purpose. And I immediately

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thought, oh, that's what Andrew Hunt, that was

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the headline of that article back then when we

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met first time. So he saw something that now

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I still think is the core of who I am. And that

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core, that essence hasn't changed, Andrew. What

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has changed perhaps is the context, is a little

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bit of more maturity, understanding better. how

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to, what that means, right? Because sometimes

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you can put that purpose more self -centered,

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more driven towards yourself. But what life teaches

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you over time is the most important is how that

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purpose is used with that passion to serve others

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and help others and have an impact. And that's

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essentially what has changed or evolved strongly

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over the past 13 years. Now, you talk about changes,

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and when we first talked, you compared moving

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to Madison to being a pilot asked to run a Formula

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One car, and you were working with some of the

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biggest dairies in the world in North America.

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A lot of great things were happening. You were

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traveling the world. Now you've left Ileval,

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and you've launched Proterra, and you're building

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something entirely on your own. What would be

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your race analogy today for what you're doing?

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I'd say today I want to be the leader of those

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pilots and help those Franciscos that arrived

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when they were 26 years old, thriving, hungry,

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and looking for a better life. And with everything

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that I have learned and I know how I can help

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them, mentor them, coach them, and serve them,

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whether they are part of my team or they are

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part of any of the teams of the businesses that

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I'm related with, or they are just people that

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are out there looking for somebody to help them.

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And it's not just about racing that Formula One

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car as a pilot, but everything that needs to

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happen around that leader as a person to make

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sure that that is a sustained success. Because

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that's the other thing. What you learn over time

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is not about winning a championship or running

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the championship. That is about how do you sustain

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success in the long run. Now, you have this,

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you identified something you call the decade

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rule. The idea that world -class achievements,

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like in cattle breeding and in everything you

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do, takes time to develop and harvest. So walk

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me through how you came up with this decade rule

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and how you discovered this pattern. Yeah, that's

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also part of that self -reflection or self -discovery

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and self -work that I have done, especially during

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the last year, where sometimes you run, run,

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run, run, and you do, you do, and you become

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a doer. brings you to moments where you need

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to start thinking, wait a minute. What am I doing?

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Who I am? And you start doing this introspection,

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right? So this was one of the outcomes. What

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I have done in the past and putting all the dots

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together and saying, okay, what has worked? What

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hasn't? And life sometimes is more about deleting

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instead of adding. And at this age, the most

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important is Try to move aside things that don't

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add value to your life or are not relevant anymore.

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Otherwise, you become too heavy to fly. You need

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to stay lighter and be able to flow, right? So

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I said, okay, what has happened? Especially when

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Marseille, the great -granddaughter of Jacob's

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Gold in Brittany, became the Colombian national

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champion and the... Latin American champion,

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I thought, what's interesting about that cow?

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And when I looked at the journey of that cow,

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from the time we started conceiving the idea

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with John Erbsen of reinvesting the money from

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the sale of Shakira, to the time Marsella became

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all these, the most important cow in Latin America,

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it took us exactly 10 years, from the conception

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of the idea to the top. of the cow and then i

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looked back and to shakira and it was exactly

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the same thing 2012 was when we bought the clone

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we became friends with john we started breeding

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cows and then shakira 2022 20 blah blah then

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the cow becomes all the expo champion and then

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becomes supreme champion not for us for others

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but it was part of that journey because even

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when we made It's an apple to a caliber. And

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we knew that there was a dream, there was a vision.

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In that journey, we knew that we were not going

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to own the cow for a long time. Because I did

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not own a farm in the States, but I had the vision.

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John is a fantastic breeder. But for a superstar

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like an athlete, they need also the right environment

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with a great exhibitor. That's why when we show

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up at Madison, and she was a two -year -old cow,

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we were looking for opportunities openly. And

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then is when I decide, we talked to a lot of

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people and a lot of people love the cow, but

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then finally was Jacobs the ones that bought

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it. And then she became champion and a well -known

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cow worldwide 10 years after. And then I went

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back to when I started Colganados with my parents.

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And since the date we started with the first

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cow milking in our project to the day we had

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our first national champion back in Colombia,

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we started Colganados as a pilot project, mother,

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father, and son, in 2007. And we had our first

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national champion in 2017, and she was also the

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supreme national champion of Colombia. So I don't

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think there is just a coincidence, but there

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is a pattern. And that pattern is explained in

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two phases. It's when you have an idea creation,

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or you create a product, and then when you have

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product deployment. And I think that a good idea

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requires at least five years of ideation and

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development, and then you need five years of

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deployment. And when you look at these cows,

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almost all of them went to the top at five years

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old. which is the product development deployment

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phase. So it's very clearly laid out. You have

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two phases, ideation and development, five years.

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Do it right. Japanese are great at that. They

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don't launch a project just for launching it.

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They take the time to think through, plan accordingly,

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put all the pieces together, and when they deploy,

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do it with excellence, and then in five years,

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you will harvest the crop. And that's how I came

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up with that concept or that idea. That applies

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really well. It has applied really well. And

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if you think through, most of the champions are

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five -year -old cows. Right? So it makes sense,

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at least in this industry. I don't know. It may

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apply as well, but that's what I have seen. And

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you spend a lot of time doing reflection. That

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seems to have been a key part in your development

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goals. Yeah. Every day, Andrew, every day. I

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was not that way, you know. I have the fortune.

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My wife is that way. My wife is that way. And

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for some time, it was very hard for me to understand

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many of the things that she was telling me. And

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I was like, maybe we don't get along anymore.

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But it was that I was in doer mode and she was

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on self -being mode. And while she was more,

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taking care of how she was, her health, her mindset,

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heart sales, soul set, the things that really

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matter, I was more focused on business, success,

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money, and those things, and that creates a disconnection.

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But all of a sudden, we go through some circumstances,

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and I decided for a second time in my life to

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get back on track, on my faith, on God. on self

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-centered, self -improvement, reflection, meditation.

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And like magically, all of a sudden, we are more

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aligned with my wife than ever before. But we

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just needed to be on the same level of consciousness.

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We were not there. It was way ahead of my time,

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but in a very short period of time and through

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experiences of life, I was able to get there.

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So she's my biggest, that's why I say she's my

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biggest mentor. She's the person that teaches

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me the most, and she's the person that puts me

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centered and helps me connecting again with that

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spiritual and that kind of reflection side of

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things, Andrew. And it's neat because you really

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have thought about all of this, and it's really

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neat how you break down the product development

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and the process, looking at it in hindsight.

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and how you can really kind of see the patterns.

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And you've had a lot of success that would help

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show you the patterns over the years. For young

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breeders who are, you know, it seems like everything

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has to happen tomorrow. Everything has to happen

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quickly because there seems like everything just,

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it isn't working unless you achieve success early.

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I think your perseverance is kind of the testament

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that it doesn't have to happen tomorrow. So many

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people get discouraged that it doesn't happen

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in two, three, four years. It doesn't happen

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right away. You kind of have to plan and have

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a vision. What would you say to those young breeders

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on why it doesn't have to happen tomorrow and

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how to build the plan and the vision for tomorrow?

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Yeah, the difference is where you put your focus.

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Are you focused on the end result and the money

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and the ribbons? If that is the answer, then...

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very likely you're looking at the wrong place

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because that's not success. And money is not

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the blessing. The ribbon is not the blessing.

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The blessing is having the passion, the love,

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the care, the perseverance, the connections,

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the relationships. Those are the blessings. And

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enjoying them and focusing on the process and

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then do it with excellence. With true passion,

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excellence. Because when you do it with passion,

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you're not working. You're having fun. When you

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do it with excellence, the results will come.

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And if you put passion, excellence, and perseverance,

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that ribbon, that success, that money will for

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sure happen. But many people get lost, and they

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don't enjoy the process, and money doesn't bring

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fulfillment. Money brings a very, or a ribbon.

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Even winning a championship, I always tell my

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friends, my parents, everybody, when we're winning

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a championship, I always tell them, enjoy this

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moment. Because it's very ephemeral. It happens.

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If you want to cry, cry. If you want to party,

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party. If you want to dance, dance. Because tomorrow

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is going to be a different day. And that moment

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with that level of adrenaline and fulfillment

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is gone. So this to say that if the other thing,

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the process, if you don't love the process, then

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you won't be able to feel fulfilled. And there

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is a big difference between winning and being

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fulfilled. Winning is momentarily. Fulfillment

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is something that you feel inside that regardless

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if you win or lose, you feel that you have done

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your best and you are at peace with yourself.

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And that's why it's very important because You

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will not always win. And the only way to stand

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back up and come the next year and be there at

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the competitive level is because it's not about

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the win. It's about you feeling fulfilled and

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be able to do it again. One of my favorite pictures,

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and I haven't used it a lot, but I know you have

00:17:29.859 --> 00:17:34.319
as well, is you showing Shakira as a yearling.

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You didn't win. She was maybe not the show -style

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heifer. She was a little more conditioned, a

00:17:41.900 --> 00:17:45.759
little more substance but not style at that stage.

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But you're walking out of that ring just beaming

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because you were so happy that you had had the

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chance to show her, your own bred animal, at

00:17:54.859 --> 00:17:57.039
World Dairy Expo that you're walking out as proud

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as if you'd won Supreme that day. And I look

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back now at that picture and you're like... If

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you'd known where you'd placed, you'd say, why

00:18:04.130 --> 00:18:06.210
is that guy beaming so much? But you're as proud

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and as happy as anyone. Now, you know, two years

00:18:09.450 --> 00:18:11.630
later, she calves in, or a year later, she's

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calved in, and she's done spectacular. But at

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that time, she hadn't done everything yet. You're

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as proud and as happy as almost, almost as the

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day she was supreme. You did party hard when

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she won supreme. I will admit that. It was always

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interesting for me to look at you at that time

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and say, he's as proud of her winning or placing

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wherever she did because it's fulfilling your

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dream of just being there. That it was amazing

00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:42.720
for me to see that picture. And we had no clue

00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.200
what was coming. At that stage, it's just you.

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You'd sat kind of not top of the class and you're

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coming out happy. And then a year later, she

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sells and does well as a two -year -old. And

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then a couple of years later, she goes on to

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be supreme. And you were quite happy then. What

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was that feeling like for you when she was supreme?

00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:06.559
Andrew, now that you mention this, every time

00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.480
I walk in the ring with her, I was supreme champion.

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Perhaps she was not yet. But that day, I was

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a champion. I was a champion of life. I was a

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champion of self -improvement. I was a little

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kid in the mountains of Colombia that... Back

00:19:24.619 --> 00:19:27.759
in 2006, I didn't own any cow, any registered

00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.859
cow. I only have seen catalogs for 20 plus years,

00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:34.940
admiring all the great breeders in North America,

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Latin America, Colombia. But I didn't have the

00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.039
chance. I only had dreams. So when I had the

00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:43.740
opportunity to go in that ring with that animal,

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I was just so thankful. With God, with life,

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with my partners, with my friends, with my family,

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with my wife, to be there. I was a champion.

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So I was just having a blast with the cow. I

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was just doing my everything, my best in there,

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doing it with excellence, clean. When I look

00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.720
at that picture, the shirt was completely clean.

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The jean was completely clean. Everything in

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that picture shows that it's about the process.

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Everything, see the cow was doing her, the heifer

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was doing her best. She was so clean. I still

00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:19.420
remember when John was, we were getting her together

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in the shoot. She was white, of course. But she

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was the whitest and cleanest cow that come into

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our ring. Because if there is something about

00:20:26.309 --> 00:20:29.650
the Erfsen family, is they always are very proud

00:20:29.650 --> 00:20:32.589
of what they do. And I have learned so much about

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life with them. How humble, but how clean everything

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is. They take pride in what they do. The cow

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was clean. The calf was clean. I was clean. I

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was happy. I was into it. Doing everything possible

00:20:47.529 --> 00:20:50.609
for her to do her best. But I was not focused

00:20:50.609 --> 00:20:52.309
on the result because back then we didn't know

00:20:52.309 --> 00:20:53.670
what was going to happen. I was just doing it

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with excellence and pride. And then later on,

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whether she was ours or she was under others'

00:21:02.430 --> 00:21:05.690
names or somebody else was in the altar, I felt

00:21:05.690 --> 00:21:08.910
the same happiness and pride because at the end

00:21:08.910 --> 00:21:11.309
of the day, it's about the memories, it's about

00:21:11.309 --> 00:21:15.910
the friendship. And I realized that that gave

00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:19.259
me the possibility to create something. Whether

00:21:19.259 --> 00:21:23.259
it was mine or somebody else, it was our creation

00:21:23.259 --> 00:21:26.819
to enjoy. And that's why I always would go to

00:21:26.819 --> 00:21:30.660
the Jacob's String and have a blast with Tyler

00:21:30.660 --> 00:21:34.859
or with Isabel or with the kids or with anybody

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in that team, because that was a creation that

00:21:38.180 --> 00:21:42.039
gave us the blessing to enjoy with them and even

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with many breeders around the world. I will never

00:21:44.180 --> 00:21:47.049
forget. When she was champion the first time

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and we were taking the picture by the willows

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there at Madison, there were cars with a horn

00:21:53.730 --> 00:21:57.029
cheering for Shakira. Shakira, like if she was

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a famous, you know, a diva already. And that

00:22:00.410 --> 00:22:02.809
was so cool because that blessing and that creation

00:22:02.809 --> 00:22:06.009
was not something only we enjoyed. It was something

00:22:06.009 --> 00:22:09.029
that has given so many blessings and enjoyment

00:22:09.029 --> 00:22:11.369
to people that doesn't even have the opportunity

00:22:11.369 --> 00:22:14.240
to meet her in person. I mean, just think about

00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:17.900
the amount of fans that these amazing cows have

00:22:17.900 --> 00:22:20.880
worldwide that have never stepped into a World

00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:24.619
Dairy Expo. But they don't miss a magazine, a

00:22:24.619 --> 00:22:29.059
picture, social media. So we have been so much

00:22:29.059 --> 00:22:31.460
joy with her. And that's how I feel. And every

00:22:31.460 --> 00:22:34.059
time she succeeds with something, now with her

00:22:34.059 --> 00:22:37.619
daughter, with the Have No Fear daughter, with

00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:41.160
Shara, I feel so happy. I feel again a champion.

00:22:41.690 --> 00:22:43.809
Because that's awesome. Now, an offspring of

00:22:43.809 --> 00:22:46.849
Shakira is one of the most talked about young

00:22:46.849 --> 00:22:49.730
cows in the industry. And it's awesome that she

00:22:49.730 --> 00:22:52.490
succeeds for the Genosource guys. And still is

00:22:52.490 --> 00:22:55.769
part of that creation. So that's what it means

00:22:55.769 --> 00:22:58.990
to us, Andrew. I think it's almost full circle.

00:22:59.089 --> 00:23:01.210
Because when you and I have talked a lot of the

00:23:01.210 --> 00:23:03.269
times, you talk about being a little boy just

00:23:03.269 --> 00:23:05.069
looking, and you mentioned it here today, just

00:23:05.069 --> 00:23:08.369
being a young boy looking at the catalogs and

00:23:08.369 --> 00:23:13.059
dreaming about, cows like that and then now here

00:23:13.059 --> 00:23:15.579
today there'll be this young boy somewhere in

00:23:15.579 --> 00:23:17.599
the world who knows where because as you know

00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:20.640
the world dairy market is changing rapidly but

00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:23.519
there's a boy somewhere who's got the dream like

00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:27.240
you had and it's neat that you know there's almost

00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.539
a model or an inspiration that you can provide

00:23:30.539 --> 00:23:33.720
to those young boys or young children on what's

00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.599
possible because you know you weren't from a

00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:39.259
heartbed you weren't from a And here you are.

00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:42.000
You've achieved the success with help. You're

00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.220
very gracious about the partners you've had.

00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:46.980
But you've also achieved a lot of it through

00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:49.420
your own passion and determination. So I just

00:23:49.420 --> 00:23:51.500
think about those young children that you're

00:23:51.500 --> 00:23:54.460
providing the inspiration to for the next generation.

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Andrew, and there is a very important part of

00:23:58.900 --> 00:24:02.799
that. When God gives you blessings and you have

00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:07.349
the gift of creation, because we are... We are

00:24:07.349 --> 00:24:11.829
part of God. I mean, the best example of that

00:24:11.829 --> 00:24:14.410
is when a man and a woman get together and love

00:24:14.410 --> 00:24:18.009
each other, create life. So we create. We are

00:24:18.009 --> 00:24:21.690
creators. And God gave us that gift of creation.

00:24:22.490 --> 00:24:24.750
That's what we do. And whether it's a man and

00:24:24.750 --> 00:24:26.910
a woman creating a new life, which is a son or

00:24:26.910 --> 00:24:29.490
a daughter, or it's both of us in this podcast

00:24:29.490 --> 00:24:33.109
talking about and vibrating. and inspiring others

00:24:33.109 --> 00:24:35.170
that will connect through it. Now we're creating

00:24:35.170 --> 00:24:39.009
feelings and somethings. The question that we

00:24:39.009 --> 00:24:43.710
need to ask ourselves is, champions for what?

00:24:43.970 --> 00:24:48.150
The champion is not the end objective. And if

00:24:48.150 --> 00:24:51.029
somebody thinks it's the end objective, that's

00:24:51.029 --> 00:24:53.990
ego. Because then that's to say, I'm the best.

00:24:54.450 --> 00:24:59.730
And for me, champions for inspiration. You vibrate

00:24:59.730 --> 00:25:04.509
a champion. What can I do with that? What I can

00:25:04.509 --> 00:25:06.970
do with that is show other kids around the world

00:25:06.970 --> 00:25:11.549
that if I could do it, they can do it. Power

00:25:11.549 --> 00:25:17.589
to serve. Money to help. So we really need to

00:25:17.589 --> 00:25:22.309
ask ourselves, for what? And the message I would

00:25:22.309 --> 00:25:25.690
like to align with what you're saying, and look,

00:25:25.750 --> 00:25:28.849
we didn't talk about this before, but it's perfectly

00:25:28.849 --> 00:25:32.619
aligned. It's because... We're more aligned than

00:25:32.619 --> 00:25:37.619
we think. That's why we're here. If people, if

00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:40.200
I want to leave a message today, if I have great

00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.259
champions like Shakira, like Marseille and many

00:25:42.259 --> 00:25:46.859
others, I just want that to inspire others. Believe

00:25:46.859 --> 00:25:51.759
in yourselves and go for it. You know, it's interesting

00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.059
when you talk about that and I think about it

00:25:54.059 --> 00:25:56.680
because, you know, most people, hey, co -breeder

00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.359
of a... supreme champion worldwide phenomenon

00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.259
cow that would probably be the pinnacle of achievement

00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.920
but your passion didn't stop there and that's

00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:09.759
what i always think and i always see that i understand

00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.059
it's more about the the journey and the passion

00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:14.700
than it is about the result and that's when when

00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:18.319
you when you talk about marcia uh and how you

00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:20.380
know we didn't just cash in the check and move

00:26:20.380 --> 00:26:24.079
on you guys we're looking for what's next or

00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:28.299
where's the next passion project So can you walk

00:26:28.299 --> 00:26:31.000
me through, you know, what prompted the purchase

00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.680
of the daughter from Brittany and how it evolved

00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:39.240
into Marseille? Yeah, so when we sell Shakira,

00:26:39.339 --> 00:26:44.480
I have always been very thoughtful and mindful

00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:49.319
of what to do with earnings or blessings like

00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:54.599
that, right? Because very quickly, you can spend

00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:58.500
the money in the wrong way. And we're here for

00:26:58.500 --> 00:27:01.779
the long haul. I mean, yeah, I enjoy life, and

00:27:01.779 --> 00:27:04.539
I can tell you. I was doing this with my daughter

00:27:04.539 --> 00:27:06.900
and my wife the other day, and I feel blessed

00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:09.839
of being able to travel to more than 30 countries.

00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:12.740
And actually, my little daughter is six years

00:27:12.740 --> 00:27:14.960
old, and she has traveled to 11 countries already.

00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:18.220
So I'm a person of experience. I love to spend

00:27:18.220 --> 00:27:22.279
money and experience. But I'm a person that also

00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:27.420
likes to be smart about, managing money and and

00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:30.779
so on so the first thing i tell john is john

00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:34.420
i really want to make sure that some of the earnings

00:27:34.420 --> 00:27:38.079
of shakira will be invested to create the next

00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:42.599
project so i did two things i bought some jersey

00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:48.420
animals with pat conroy and then i john john

00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:52.750
said no jerseys john said i said okay Let's go

00:27:52.750 --> 00:27:55.130
to, why don't we do something? I really like

00:27:55.130 --> 00:27:57.470
that Jacob's going with Brittany. I think she's

00:27:57.470 --> 00:27:59.890
a hell of a good cow. At that time, she was not

00:27:59.890 --> 00:28:02.470
as big as she is right now, but I think she's

00:28:02.470 --> 00:28:04.609
a family. I think out of the Jacob's breeding,

00:28:04.789 --> 00:28:08.509
she will be the cow. And I said, hey, John, would

00:28:08.509 --> 00:28:10.170
you partner? And he said, yeah, let's do it.

00:28:10.230 --> 00:28:13.009
With that kind of investment, yes. And then we

00:28:13.009 --> 00:28:16.710
talked to Norm and Nabels, and we said, hey,

00:28:16.730 --> 00:28:19.170
let's go and let's do a trip to Quebec. So we

00:28:19.170 --> 00:28:21.579
jumped on a plane, the three of us. We go there,

00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.880
we arrive to Jacobs, and then at that time, it

00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.980
was when Beauty, the seed daughter of Brittany,

00:28:28.299 --> 00:28:32.200
was champion in Madison. And then I said, it

00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:35.400
seems like the good cross on that cow, at least

00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:40.039
for now, is seed. And they had a heifer, Bermuda,

00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:43.680
that she was seed daughter of Brittany. Then

00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.680
we bought her, and we brought her to the United

00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:50.259
States. She went to become a very good 87 as

00:28:50.259 --> 00:28:53.200
a two -year -old. Then we flushed her to avalanche,

00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:57.400
trying to bring the apple blood to that family.

00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:00.160
So we wanted to, same thing as we did with Ocalibra

00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.519
and apple to create Shakira, now we did with

00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.420
Brittany and apple to create the new one. And

00:29:05.420 --> 00:29:07.700
then we created embryos. Some of them were implanted

00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:10.140
in the U .S. And then we exported four embryos

00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:14.660
to Colombia. And then in Colombia was born Colganados

00:29:14.660 --> 00:29:18.049
Avalanche Beauty. She went to be excellent 93.

00:29:18.829 --> 00:29:21.910
And then I said, you know what? She's a very

00:29:21.910 --> 00:29:25.589
well -ordered cow, but she lacks power. She needs

00:29:25.589 --> 00:29:29.170
power. And the best bull for power for me at

00:29:29.170 --> 00:29:33.390
that time was Diamondback. And it will do two

00:29:33.390 --> 00:29:36.569
things. Number one, bring power. Number two,

00:29:36.670 --> 00:29:39.410
another shot of apple, which normally works really

00:29:39.410 --> 00:29:42.230
well. I mean, some people would say you're crazy

00:29:42.230 --> 00:29:43.970
when you line breed too much, but I can tell

00:29:43.970 --> 00:29:46.720
you. I have four champions, national champions

00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:50.039
that are line bred three times to apple. So Marseille

00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:55.640
is line bred two times to apple. Shakira is line

00:29:55.640 --> 00:30:02.079
bred to altitude three times. And Marseille is

00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:05.279
two shots of apple. And Delia, which is another

00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.259
cow that I bred that was intermediate national

00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:12.619
champion and we served grand in 2024, is an apple

00:30:12.619 --> 00:30:17.910
crisp. out of a diamond back. Diamond back. Right?

00:30:18.029 --> 00:30:20.549
So for me, it's just like when a cow line breads

00:30:20.549 --> 00:30:24.130
well, you just go for it without fear. And Marseille,

00:30:24.369 --> 00:30:28.549
right on. Here we have an amazing other cow with

00:30:28.549 --> 00:30:30.930
way more power. It was one of the most powerful

00:30:30.930 --> 00:30:32.670
that I have seen out of the Brittany family.

00:30:33.490 --> 00:30:37.150
Black, jet black, beautiful. And her personality

00:30:37.150 --> 00:30:39.450
is just so amazing. She combines the best of

00:30:39.450 --> 00:30:41.730
apple with the best of Brittany. She becomes

00:30:41.730 --> 00:30:43.730
national champion and then she becomes the Latin

00:30:43.730 --> 00:30:48.490
American champion. It's always interesting when

00:30:48.490 --> 00:30:51.049
I chat with you about the breeding side of things

00:30:51.049 --> 00:30:53.529
because you don't talk into, oh, this bull was

00:30:53.529 --> 00:30:56.029
high in this genomic number or that genomic number.

00:30:56.289 --> 00:31:00.309
You kind of talk more in regards to what that

00:31:00.309 --> 00:31:03.069
family and what that bloodline has and what it

00:31:03.069 --> 00:31:07.900
goes through generation after generation. different

00:31:07.900 --> 00:31:10.359
components or different elements from each family

00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.160
it's really neat that you approach it that way

00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.359
versus you know this one was a plus six for legs

00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:19.579
and i needed better legs you look at more it

00:31:19.579 --> 00:31:22.339
as a what does that element for that family or

00:31:22.339 --> 00:31:25.880
thing breeding pattern have and you work from

00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.440
there and it's a proven very successful for you

00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:34.319
yeah and i will go back to 2005 perhaps that

00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:39.869
2004 2006 I had the opportunity for one day to

00:31:39.869 --> 00:31:44.809
have in my car a David Brown in Colombia. I didn't

00:31:44.809 --> 00:31:47.170
own any hostings. I was in the angus business.

00:31:48.049 --> 00:31:51.009
And I needed a hoof trimmer. And somebody told

00:31:51.009 --> 00:31:53.750
me, hey, David Brown is living here. He may hoof

00:31:53.750 --> 00:31:57.089
trim your angus cattle. Give him a call. So I

00:31:57.089 --> 00:31:58.990
called David Brown and I said, hey, David, I

00:31:58.990 --> 00:32:01.509
have these angus. Do you mind coming and helping

00:32:01.509 --> 00:32:04.279
me? They are going for a national show. And David

00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.339
very graciously said, no, absolutely, I will

00:32:06.339 --> 00:32:09.400
go. A cow is a cow. And we were in the car and

00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:11.819
I said, hey, David, you have very many champions.

00:32:14.259 --> 00:32:18.059
What advice would you give me? And he said, champions

00:32:18.059 --> 00:32:21.799
are made out of your eye, not made out of the

00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:26.119
numbers. So if you really want to create champions,

00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.339
you really need to look at the mother, at the

00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:32.980
sire, the breeding patterns. And that's how you

00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:38.140
will make champions. And then I learned from

00:32:38.140 --> 00:32:40.619
John Irvson. He always said Francisco is better

00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:45.980
late and right rather than early and wrong. So

00:32:45.980 --> 00:32:49.000
I combined those two. And that's why when I'm

00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.920
going to make a champion, I always look at the

00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.880
mom. I always look at the sire. And I am not

00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:58.160
there for what's the more shiny or the latest.

00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.220
I'm not in the fashion in that. I am in the mode.

00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.019
of, okay, I need to see, I need to look at the

00:33:06.019 --> 00:33:09.500
breeding pattern, and then, of course, I look

00:33:09.500 --> 00:33:12.319
at the numbers, because if I have two full brothers,

00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.740
and I did this two days ago, I was choosing bulls

00:33:15.740 --> 00:33:18.900
last week, during Christmas is my time to pick

00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:22.740
bulls. So I texted my jacket, hey, I looked at...

00:33:22.940 --> 00:33:25.000
We had the opportunity to meet in Cremona, and

00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.640
then I said, hey, Mike, which bulls out of Hapnot

00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:30.619
you have? And then he said, hey, I have Image

00:33:30.619 --> 00:33:33.059
and Diesel, and these breeds this way or that

00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:36.440
way. Every time I can talk to the breeders. So

00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.440
I talk to Jordan Seamers. Hey, Jordan, what's

00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:42.619
better, the P family, the H family? How do they

00:33:42.619 --> 00:33:45.980
breed? I talk to McDuckett. Hey, how is this

00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:51.559
cow breeding? Because then I have my study about,

00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:57.200
them, the sire, I talk to the breeder, and then

00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:00.779
I go for the bulls that with the numbers, if

00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:03.000
they have similar numbers, I would pick the one

00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.339
that has more milk, more fertility, and better

00:34:06.339 --> 00:34:10.519
numbers. So if, and then I heard, or I read once

00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:12.820
in an article, and I think it was Matt Angel

00:34:12.820 --> 00:34:17.500
from Lucky, he said, I think it was him. If I

00:34:17.500 --> 00:34:19.440
make a mistake, please forgive me, but I think

00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.639
it was him. Genetics is not the addition of numbers.

00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.599
Genetics is the addition of genes. And then I

00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:30.519
tell people, if it was about numbers, everybody

00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.960
with a computer and a calculator will make champions

00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.760
and great cows. But unfortunately, it's not that

00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:41.940
easy. Numbers are just one portion. But to be

00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:44.940
at the excellence and at the highest level, you

00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:49.860
need to combine the art of David Brown the knowledge

00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:53.659
of Jordan Erbsen, the science of the genomics,

00:34:53.860 --> 00:34:56.820
and then you will be at the excellence. But if

00:34:56.820 --> 00:34:59.539
you want to take the simple route and just think

00:34:59.539 --> 00:35:01.980
that with a calculator or just with art, you

00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:04.119
will get there. No, you need both. You need science.

00:35:04.179 --> 00:35:07.860
You need art. It's interesting you bring up David

00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:10.079
Brown because my first trip to Columbia ever

00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.960
was fitting cows for David with a crew there.

00:35:14.179 --> 00:35:16.300
And it was probably the most interesting fitting

00:35:16.300 --> 00:35:20.070
experience of my life. But the lessons you learned

00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:22.889
from David, the talent and the vision he had,

00:35:22.989 --> 00:35:25.590
he had his demons, but his talent and vision

00:35:25.590 --> 00:35:30.849
was second to none. So another major thing that

00:35:30.849 --> 00:35:32.949
you and I have always talked about, and now it's

00:35:32.949 --> 00:35:35.469
changed, is you were very passionate and did

00:35:35.469 --> 00:35:39.309
a fabulous work while working for DeLaval. But

00:35:39.309 --> 00:35:46.320
in 2022, you decided to switch gears. and move

00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:51.480
on to a different direction and you started Proterra.

00:35:51.699 --> 00:35:54.099
Can you kind of describe how that transition

00:35:54.099 --> 00:35:56.599
happened and why you realized that that was maybe

00:35:56.599 --> 00:36:00.159
the time to make the transition? Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.139
Just give me one second because the computer

00:36:02.139 --> 00:36:15.320
is going to run out of battery. Yeah, so, okay,

00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:21.380
Proterra. The journey of Proterra begins in 2006

00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:27.599
when I graduated from university. And I had to

00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.760
make a decision. Am I going to be a business

00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.380
owner or am I going to be an employee? And I

00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:35.360
followed the example of my mother and I decided

00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.639
to start my dairy herd. I decided to start my

00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.219
consulting firm. And I said, I'm going to be

00:36:40.219 --> 00:36:42.000
an entrepreneur. That's what I was made for.

00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.059
That gave me the gift to create. That's what

00:36:46.059 --> 00:36:47.539
I'm going to do. I'm going to create business.

00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:51.320
But then two months later, DeLaval shows up and

00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.519
has me a proposal to become a sales manager for

00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:57.980
all the Andean countries and Central America.

00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:03.380
And in the beginning, I said, no, I'm not interested.

00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.019
But let's do the interview. So one of my friends

00:37:06.019 --> 00:37:07.539
told me, hey, why don't you do the interview

00:37:07.539 --> 00:37:11.510
process, Francisco? You are this little. young

00:37:11.510 --> 00:37:14.590
man in Colombia and a company like DeLaval will

00:37:14.590 --> 00:37:19.150
show you the world. So just give it a try. Understand

00:37:19.150 --> 00:37:21.309
you're young and energetic and passionate, but

00:37:21.309 --> 00:37:23.730
give it a try. And I decided to do that, Andrew.

00:37:24.489 --> 00:37:27.690
So I joined DeLaval for three years. And then

00:37:27.690 --> 00:37:29.469
at year three, when I was in Colombia, I said,

00:37:29.510 --> 00:37:32.369
okay, I'm done. Unless a bigger opportunity shows

00:37:32.369 --> 00:37:35.309
up. And right there, I received an email from

00:37:35.309 --> 00:37:38.670
DeLaval USA saying, Francisco, are you willing

00:37:38.670 --> 00:37:41.019
to move? and then i moved to the united states

00:37:41.019 --> 00:37:43.099
and i said okay i will move for three years only

00:37:43.099 --> 00:37:47.460
but every three years life gave me a new challenge

00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:50.619
with delaval and i was having so much fun but

00:37:50.619 --> 00:37:54.860
always in my mind i was going to go back to an

00:37:54.860 --> 00:37:58.139
entrepreneur and i never left that actually on

00:37:58.139 --> 00:38:00.699
parallel while i was working for dilaval i grew

00:38:00.699 --> 00:38:03.900
my dairy in colombia from 10 milking cows to

00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:07.900
400 milking cows i grew from having nothing to

00:38:08.409 --> 00:38:10.630
In the last decade, breeding 50 % of the national

00:38:10.630 --> 00:38:13.989
champions. And I am in the clothing business,

00:38:14.250 --> 00:38:16.789
and I'm in the board of directors of the clothing

00:38:16.789 --> 00:38:19.170
business and other businesses. So I was always,

00:38:19.349 --> 00:38:22.690
and when I was in Delaval, I was very intrapreneural.

00:38:23.489 --> 00:38:26.010
I was not the typical executive that goes for

00:38:26.010 --> 00:38:28.170
the bonus. No, I give it my all every single

00:38:28.170 --> 00:38:30.030
day. And if I was leading the robot business,

00:38:30.309 --> 00:38:33.429
I managed it like if it was my business. And

00:38:33.429 --> 00:38:36.289
always, let's go, let's grow, travel, be on the

00:38:36.289 --> 00:38:39.329
road, presentations, promotions. We were in Vegas

00:38:39.329 --> 00:38:41.590
together, Andrew. I was in Ontario. I was in

00:38:41.590 --> 00:38:44.670
Vancouver. I was in Australia. I was in Chile.

00:38:44.929 --> 00:38:47.889
We built amazing projects because I was an entrepreneur

00:38:47.889 --> 00:38:54.690
in that firm. But during the pandemic, before

00:38:54.690 --> 00:38:57.210
that, when I was planning, one of the best projects

00:38:57.210 --> 00:38:59.889
I planned was when I met Mike McCloskey in 2018.

00:39:02.110 --> 00:39:04.570
And very quickly when we're in the car, I say,

00:39:04.650 --> 00:39:07.190
Mike, what's your purpose in life? And then with

00:39:07.190 --> 00:39:08.889
all the admiration that I had for him because

00:39:08.889 --> 00:39:11.829
I wanted to meet him for six years, I was always

00:39:11.829 --> 00:39:14.889
looking at this guy that is very ingenious, and

00:39:14.889 --> 00:39:18.309
he was for me the Steve Jobs of the dairy industry.

00:39:18.630 --> 00:39:20.849
I have all this admiration, and finally I can

00:39:20.849 --> 00:39:24.869
meet him through DeLaval at a restaurant in Chicago,

00:39:25.070 --> 00:39:27.510
Tavern and Rush. We're with the CEO of DeLaval.

00:39:27.650 --> 00:39:32.190
We are with the North American president. Mike,

00:39:32.190 --> 00:39:34.369
and we're talking about, and I say, hey, this

00:39:34.369 --> 00:39:36.909
guy is just awesome. And I said, hey, have you

00:39:36.909 --> 00:39:39.769
seen robots? And no. Okay, let's go to Michigan.

00:39:39.889 --> 00:39:42.250
I go to the Schuller family to see robots. When

00:39:42.250 --> 00:39:45.550
can I pick you up? Oh, pick me up. I'm going

00:39:45.550 --> 00:39:47.190
to be at the airport. I think it was tomorrow

00:39:47.190 --> 00:39:49.769
or in two days or something like that. I go,

00:39:49.789 --> 00:39:52.110
I pick him up, one hour in the car or 15 minutes,

00:39:52.210 --> 00:39:53.530
and I say, hey, Mike, what's your purpose in

00:39:53.530 --> 00:39:57.710
life? He says, my purpose at my age and so on

00:39:57.710 --> 00:40:02.369
is to work for tropical agriculture. And he says,

00:40:02.409 --> 00:40:04.170
what's yours? And I said, Mike, I have been in

00:40:04.170 --> 00:40:07.929
the States for almost a decade. I have learned

00:40:07.929 --> 00:40:11.650
a lot, but I am from the tropics. And I think

00:40:11.650 --> 00:40:14.329
the opportunities are amazing. And if there is

00:40:14.329 --> 00:40:19.170
an opportunity to transform dairy and beef in

00:40:19.170 --> 00:40:22.670
the world, it's in the tropical world. And then

00:40:22.670 --> 00:40:24.789
we said, okay, maybe we can do something together

00:40:24.789 --> 00:40:28.449
in the future. We built a friendship. Next weekend,

00:40:28.469 --> 00:40:30.530
I was staying at his house with my family. We

00:40:30.530 --> 00:40:33.389
were riding Paso Fino horses in Indiana. We were

00:40:33.389 --> 00:40:35.989
doing a little bit of everything, enjoying life,

00:40:36.210 --> 00:40:39.949
riding horses, breeding horses. We were designing

00:40:39.949 --> 00:40:42.489
robot projects. We became very good friends.

00:40:43.050 --> 00:40:45.130
And then we started a little breeding project

00:40:45.130 --> 00:40:48.150
with Gir and Girolando, and we went to Brazil.

00:40:48.389 --> 00:40:52.829
We brought the genetics to Canada, and then we

00:40:52.829 --> 00:40:55.349
started developing that, but it was a small project.

00:40:56.269 --> 00:40:59.030
one more of the projects we were doing. I was

00:40:59.030 --> 00:41:01.329
doing more. He was doing, of course, more. But

00:41:01.329 --> 00:41:04.309
when the pandemic hits, Sofia tells me, Francisco,

00:41:04.369 --> 00:41:07.570
I'm done. I need to go back home. And I said,

00:41:07.690 --> 00:41:13.030
well, is that an option or is that a decision?

00:41:13.789 --> 00:41:17.170
And she tells me the decision is made. We need

00:41:17.170 --> 00:41:20.170
to go back home. I need to go back home. You

00:41:20.170 --> 00:41:22.269
can do whatever you want, but I'm going back

00:41:22.269 --> 00:41:25.989
to Colombia. And then I was thinking, okay, Can

00:41:25.989 --> 00:41:28.889
we find a happy medium? Because I still think

00:41:28.889 --> 00:41:32.309
that. And then it was the Puerto Rican project.

00:41:32.510 --> 00:41:36.269
So we decided to go back to Colombia. And then

00:41:36.269 --> 00:41:38.510
I was going to live in Colombia and manage the

00:41:38.510 --> 00:41:41.550
Puerto Rican project, Proterra, with Mike, but

00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:44.309
from Colombia, among many other businesses. It

00:41:44.309 --> 00:41:47.269
was going to be just one more business. But very

00:41:47.269 --> 00:41:49.250
soon, this business starts growing and growing

00:41:49.250 --> 00:41:52.030
and growing. And then we decided to move to Puerto

00:41:52.030 --> 00:41:56.469
Rico and devote most of my time. to run the project,

00:41:56.630 --> 00:42:00.869
and here we are. Now, you talk about the Patera

00:42:00.869 --> 00:42:02.889
project, and I know the philosophy behind it

00:42:02.889 --> 00:42:06.530
is, you have the saying, embryos are transformation,

00:42:06.989 --> 00:42:09.690
semen is evolution. Can you unpack that for me

00:42:09.690 --> 00:42:11.309
or describe what you mean and what you're doing

00:42:11.309 --> 00:42:14.949
with this project? Absolutely. Our project started

00:42:14.949 --> 00:42:17.690
with the development of embryos in an efficient,

00:42:18.050 --> 00:42:22.690
low -cost, effective way. And the reason for

00:42:22.690 --> 00:42:26.530
that is in the tropics. and grazing, you need

00:42:26.530 --> 00:42:31.090
crossbreeding in order to be successful. There

00:42:31.090 --> 00:42:33.510
is no other way grazing in the tropics to be

00:42:33.510 --> 00:42:35.429
successful. You need both. You need the willingness

00:42:35.429 --> 00:42:39.250
of the indicus to survive and the willingness

00:42:39.250 --> 00:42:41.989
of the taurus to produce. And when you put those

00:42:41.989 --> 00:42:43.949
two together, you have the girolando, which is

00:42:43.949 --> 00:42:46.989
an amazing animal, like the brangus, to provide

00:42:46.989 --> 00:42:50.510
both the resistance and the productivity. And

00:42:50.510 --> 00:42:53.070
that's the only way to keep an F1, is through

00:42:53.070 --> 00:42:55.829
embryos. So the only way to really go to a country

00:42:55.829 --> 00:42:59.710
like Nigeria, 28 million cows, one liter per

00:42:59.710 --> 00:43:03.190
cow per day of production average, and multiply

00:43:03.190 --> 00:43:07.230
that by 16 in three years, of course, with management

00:43:07.230 --> 00:43:10.110
and everything, is with a Girolando embryo. That

00:43:10.110 --> 00:43:13.289
transforms a country. That transforms a project.

00:43:13.750 --> 00:43:16.409
And when you look even at a dairy farm, if you

00:43:16.409 --> 00:43:18.329
really want to do genetic transformation in one

00:43:18.329 --> 00:43:20.670
generation, you can use the best of the best

00:43:20.670 --> 00:43:23.090
of the females and the males, even in purebreds.

00:43:23.610 --> 00:43:25.929
And then you can advance your herd. I did it

00:43:25.929 --> 00:43:28.570
in Colombia. I started in 2007 with a commercial

00:43:28.570 --> 00:43:32.469
herd. And there have been people breeding for

00:43:32.469 --> 00:43:35.349
60 years with ordinary artificial insemination.

00:43:35.510 --> 00:43:39.090
And in less than a decade, I was the highest

00:43:39.090 --> 00:43:42.769
production herd in the country in 2017. And I

00:43:42.769 --> 00:43:44.849
had bred the national champion and supreme champion.

00:43:45.190 --> 00:43:48.010
So if you want to transform a herd in a project,

00:43:48.269 --> 00:43:51.960
embryos. And once you do that, then... you go

00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.159
with artificial insemination, and then that's

00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:58.460
why I say evolve. Evolution takes time. Transformation

00:43:58.460 --> 00:44:03.019
is disruptive. Embryos are disruptive. Insemination

00:44:03.019 --> 00:44:06.880
is the highest penetration, but it's part of

00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:11.739
an evolving process. So it's interesting how

00:44:11.739 --> 00:44:15.000
you explain that. So from my understanding, it

00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.639
is that you're using embryos to get the fastest

00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.980
instant genetic gain and then building on that.

00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:24.460
using ai going forward so that you keep that

00:44:24.460 --> 00:44:28.739
genetic gain sustained but it is a combination

00:44:28.739 --> 00:44:31.780
process how has this project been going and what's

00:44:31.780 --> 00:44:34.739
been the response to it the project has been

00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:39.460
amazing we have been our project or our our mission

00:44:39.460 --> 00:44:46.199
is to transform uh projects countries countries

00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.239
the tropical world really needs food is where

00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.679
more people are born every single day dairy beef

00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.820
so we are doing transformational projects in

00:44:54.820 --> 00:44:58.820
Puerto Rico which is our home base in both dairy

00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:01.380
and beef we're doing transformational projects

00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:03.360
in Latin America we're doing transformational

00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:06.599
projects in Africa and we're doing transformational

00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:10.679
projects in the USA so it's doing amazing and

00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.670
we also have been working very closely with ST

00:45:14.670 --> 00:45:17.110
Genetics and with Juan Moreno, which is also

00:45:17.110 --> 00:45:21.429
our very dear friend, also Colombian, where we

00:45:21.429 --> 00:45:24.289
work on both sides. We work on the female side,

00:45:24.469 --> 00:45:27.269
we work on the male side, and very soon we will

00:45:27.269 --> 00:45:33.210
be releasing the bull lineup of gear for the

00:45:33.210 --> 00:45:35.909
world out of the United States. We have the full

00:45:35.909 --> 00:45:39.349
brothers and sisters of the highest Brazilian

00:45:39.349 --> 00:45:42.920
bulls and cows. uh they will be available worldwide

00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:46.760
so we're fulfilling our vision and we're also

00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:51.719
on own um slick whole stains that the combination

00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.960
of slick hostings tolerant whole stains and the

00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.539
indicus cattle now we can deliver and deploy

00:45:57.539 --> 00:46:02.000
any project around the world and now one of the

00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.679
visions we have is to take a slick whole stains

00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:08.969
to the highest level so that in the future A

00:46:08.969 --> 00:46:12.230
farmer like Paul Genetics or like A2A2 is not

00:46:12.230 --> 00:46:14.889
optional, but really you can have that trait

00:46:14.889 --> 00:46:18.230
within the best males or females in the industry

00:46:18.230 --> 00:46:22.170
so that it becomes a no -brainer. So that's where

00:46:22.170 --> 00:46:24.409
we are right now, a lot of collaboration with

00:46:24.409 --> 00:46:28.469
ST, with Juan, with Mike, and having a lot of

00:46:28.469 --> 00:46:31.570
fun with a lot of people, doing a lot of partnerships

00:46:31.570 --> 00:46:35.429
globally, and here we are, yeah, that's fulfilling

00:46:35.429 --> 00:46:38.230
missions and visions. Now, two things. First

00:46:38.230 --> 00:46:41.090
of all, am I right to understand that there are

00:46:41.090 --> 00:46:44.650
descendants, Jiro descendants of Shakira? I think

00:46:44.650 --> 00:46:47.889
you told me one time that you'd had Jiro descendants

00:46:47.889 --> 00:46:50.949
or crosses onto the family at some point. Or

00:46:50.949 --> 00:46:54.269
not just Shakira, but of the bloodline. Yes,

00:46:54.269 --> 00:46:57.650
I have descendants of Apple that are Jirolandos.

00:46:58.050 --> 00:47:00.889
I have descendants of Brittany that are Jirolandos.

00:47:00.889 --> 00:47:02.769
I cross them with the best Jiro boots out of

00:47:02.769 --> 00:47:07.519
Brazil. So I go to Brazil to look for Jiro. Andrew,

00:47:07.739 --> 00:47:09.480
one of the things that I love the most, and I

00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:13.400
have spent two weeks and weekends, is doing bull

00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.619
analysis and selection. It's just amazing. I

00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:20.380
analyze the Holstein bulls, the Jersey bulls,

00:47:20.380 --> 00:47:24.460
the deer bulls, crossbreeding, matings. Now in

00:47:24.460 --> 00:47:26.780
the Nellore, in the beef industry, I'm also in

00:47:26.780 --> 00:47:29.440
the beef right now. So I just love that because

00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.780
that's where my passion resides, right? And using

00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:33.739
that little bit of talent that I have been able

00:47:33.739 --> 00:47:38.380
to prove, through all these, let's say, achievements

00:47:38.380 --> 00:47:42.380
or these projects. And, yeah, so absolutely,

00:47:42.699 --> 00:47:45.179
I have done Girolandos with the best gear and

00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:48.119
the best horses in the world. That's cool to

00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:52.739
me. So when I started the Bullvine, I did articles

00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:56.159
early on, and I'll call it on two Colombian different

00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.000
men. One was yourself, so this story is really

00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.059
neat to come full circle with you. But then the

00:48:02.059 --> 00:48:03.920
connection with another Colombian who you just

00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.929
mentioned was Juan. And that was back when he

00:48:07.929 --> 00:48:10.690
was just getting into using or bringing sex semen

00:48:10.690 --> 00:48:14.210
to the market and having challenges to get AI

00:48:14.210 --> 00:48:17.110
companies to use sex semen and all of that. So

00:48:17.110 --> 00:48:19.750
this year's past year, it was neat. I got to

00:48:19.750 --> 00:48:22.210
nominate him and he did achieve international

00:48:22.210 --> 00:48:26.070
award winner at World Dairy Expo with how well

00:48:26.070 --> 00:48:29.630
sex semen has gone for him. So those two stories

00:48:29.630 --> 00:48:31.130
are two that I started early on and they've come

00:48:31.130 --> 00:48:34.480
very. Full circle. And then to have you two kind

00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.440
of working together now, to me, is just everything

00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:42.159
kind of coming into one package. Now, I have

00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.579
had the pleasure to work with Juan quite a bit

00:48:45.579 --> 00:48:49.139
over the years. And he is very much, I would

00:48:49.139 --> 00:48:52.940
say, maybe different than what I've had interactions

00:48:52.940 --> 00:48:56.420
with Mike McCloskey, who is your other very much

00:48:56.420 --> 00:49:00.639
strong mentor outside of your wife there. How

00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:03.340
would you describe working with Mike and Juan,

00:49:03.500 --> 00:49:05.380
and how do they complement each other? How are

00:49:05.380 --> 00:49:09.119
they different? How has that gone? It's very

00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.239
interesting. I mean, when I was – I remember

00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.860
one day I was having a meeting, I think, with

00:49:14.860 --> 00:49:17.179
Mike, and I posted a picture on social media,

00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.019
and your dad sent me a Facebook note saying,

00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.679
many people would like to be a fly on that wall.

00:49:25.389 --> 00:49:27.469
And I listened to that conversation. And another

00:49:27.469 --> 00:49:30.849
time, he sent me a message saying, keep flying

00:49:30.849 --> 00:49:33.869
with the eagles or something like that. Your

00:49:33.869 --> 00:49:36.349
father has always been, your family, for some

00:49:36.349 --> 00:49:39.030
reason, has always been very supportive of me,

00:49:39.050 --> 00:49:41.170
even with a phrase, with a word, or with an article,

00:49:41.329 --> 00:49:45.590
or with whatever. And when I was with Mike and

00:49:45.590 --> 00:49:48.130
with Juan the first time on a meeting room in

00:49:48.130 --> 00:49:51.630
Puerto Rico, I thought of your father. You don't

00:49:51.630 --> 00:49:54.110
know this, but I thought of that phrase that

00:49:54.110 --> 00:49:57.750
your father, send me that day to facebook because

00:49:57.750 --> 00:50:02.670
that alone for me is such a blessing being able

00:50:02.670 --> 00:50:07.710
to spend my time with two of the smartest most

00:50:07.710 --> 00:50:10.829
successful people i know inside and outside the

00:50:10.829 --> 00:50:13.090
industry this morning i was in the gym five in

00:50:13.090 --> 00:50:16.789
the morning and i was running and all of a sudden

00:50:16.789 --> 00:50:19.730
i see fair life in a commercial on the tv screen

00:50:19.730 --> 00:50:23.980
and i'm like How crazy is this that I'm 5 a .m.

00:50:23.980 --> 00:50:25.820
in the morning in the gym and the person that

00:50:25.820 --> 00:50:30.719
created that product is my partner? And 7 a .m.

00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:32.500
before starting this interview with you might

00:50:32.500 --> 00:50:36.980
cause me. Being able to work with them, being

00:50:36.980 --> 00:50:41.460
able to see how they work, their passion, their

00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:47.039
commitment, their perseverance, their purpose

00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:52.199
is... It's such an inspiration, Andrew, and I'm

00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.559
so thankful for that. Because at the end of the

00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:58.639
day, you are who you surround with. And, yeah,

00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:00.460
that's amazing. And they are, of course, very

00:51:00.460 --> 00:51:03.659
different. I mean, not only on how they are,

00:51:03.739 --> 00:51:08.320
but also age. I mean, Mike is 70 -plus years

00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.059
old. One is the next generation, and I'm the

00:51:11.059 --> 00:51:15.280
next generation. So at the end of the day, Mike

00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:18.099
is the wisdom. Right? He's the person that has

00:51:18.099 --> 00:51:21.440
done the most and has lived the most. Then you

00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:24.400
have Juan, which has also a lot of knowledge

00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.980
and power in his brain and how he does. And I,

00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:33.079
when I moved to this project and I started working

00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.500
with Mike, I said, you know what, Mike? In this

00:51:36.500 --> 00:51:40.079
partnership, I'm going to be your student. And

00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:41.900
you're going to be the professor. And I'm going

00:51:41.900 --> 00:51:46.269
to always treat you with respect. Because independently

00:51:46.269 --> 00:51:50.489
of the economic result, if I can learn from you,

00:51:50.530 --> 00:51:54.949
that will be my best result. And by spending

00:51:54.949 --> 00:51:56.650
time with both of them, that's how I look at

00:51:56.650 --> 00:51:59.309
them, with a lot of respect, a lot of appreciation,

00:51:59.829 --> 00:52:04.550
take the best of each one of them, and I'm learning.

00:52:04.690 --> 00:52:07.889
I'm the student. And every day, Andrew, I consider

00:52:07.889 --> 00:52:12.550
myself a student. You know, it's interesting

00:52:12.550 --> 00:52:14.780
because... If you were to look at our industry

00:52:14.780 --> 00:52:17.360
and you would say, who are the two biggest icons

00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.840
you could have as mentors? Obviously, Mike and

00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:22.699
Juan would be right at the top of the list. Yet

00:52:22.699 --> 00:52:25.360
I know from talking with you, if I asked you,

00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:30.119
who is your biggest mentor, influence, greatest

00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.599
partnership in your life? I know it's neither

00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.440
of them. And it's someone else. Who is that?

00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:41.139
My wife, Sophia. And why and what makes that

00:52:41.139 --> 00:52:49.880
different for you? Because for me, business is

00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:54.179
only 25 % of life, of success, of what I call

00:52:54.179 --> 00:53:00.179
success. And I have this very clear vision in

00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:03.619
my mind. I can actually paint it. The first 25

00:53:03.619 --> 00:53:08.460
% is centered on yourself. And the biggest decision

00:53:08.460 --> 00:53:11.179
you make, there is two very important decisions

00:53:11.179 --> 00:53:14.960
that you make for you. as a human being. The

00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.760
first one is your faith and God, your relationship

00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:21.400
with God. And the second one is who you marry.

00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:26.840
And the first, so my first 25 % I work every

00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:31.280
day so hard on me, on who I am and how do I stay

00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:34.780
healthier? How can I do more exercise? How can

00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:38.340
I eat better? How can I meditate more? How can

00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:41.880
I be more thoughtful? And the second is God.

00:53:42.269 --> 00:53:45.590
And what do you believe in? And for me, it's

00:53:45.590 --> 00:53:47.829
very clear. I believe in Jesus. And for me, Jesus

00:53:47.829 --> 00:53:51.150
has been the best leader ever. And if I can live

00:53:51.150 --> 00:53:54.429
somehow, my source of inspiration as a leader

00:53:54.429 --> 00:53:59.829
is Jesus Christ. And then when I look at my relationships,

00:54:00.170 --> 00:54:06.309
my baseline, my everything is my wife. And then

00:54:06.309 --> 00:54:09.590
from there, having those three aligned, I can

00:54:09.590 --> 00:54:11.829
talk about the rest and have people like Juan

00:54:11.829 --> 00:54:15.610
and Mike being part of my life. But without being

00:54:15.610 --> 00:54:19.090
mindful of who I am, without the faith and the

00:54:19.090 --> 00:54:23.449
strong example of Jesus and the support, example,

00:54:23.449 --> 00:54:25.650
and help of my wife, nothing else would have

00:54:25.650 --> 00:54:29.010
been possible. You know, it's neat, and I sit

00:54:29.010 --> 00:54:32.349
here as you talk, and we've gotten to know each

00:54:32.349 --> 00:54:34.429
other quite well over the years, and I think

00:54:34.429 --> 00:54:36.269
about when you share the story on how you first

00:54:36.269 --> 00:54:38.920
met your wife. and when you first brought it

00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:43.280
to the farm in the rainstorm, and not sure that

00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:47.099
it would make it past that first date to sit

00:54:47.099 --> 00:54:50.559
here today and hear you talk. It's like just

00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:54.480
come so full circle, but I remember the whole

00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.139
story, and I think it ties to something else

00:54:57.139 --> 00:54:59.699
you've said to me, and you've said it more recently

00:54:59.699 --> 00:55:03.219
as well, and it stuck with me. It's certainly

00:55:03.219 --> 00:55:06.599
true in my case. that women are more emotionally

00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.780
mature and more in touch with their soul than

00:55:09.780 --> 00:55:12.460
we are. And my wife, being a psychiatrist, in

00:55:12.460 --> 00:55:14.639
which she does, I can easily say the same to

00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:18.000
you as, oh, light years ahead of me on that front.

00:55:18.300 --> 00:55:21.920
But can you describe how Sophia helped you, and

00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.239
both our wives have similar names, Sophia, helped

00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:27.219
you come in touch with that? Because I think

00:55:27.219 --> 00:55:28.739
that is something she brought into your life.

00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.820
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how to explain it.

00:55:34.139 --> 00:55:36.239
I just know that when I met her first time, I

00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.420
saw something very special in her way, her values.

00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:45.219
You know, Andrew, when you look at a woman, you

00:55:45.219 --> 00:55:47.980
really need to look at her values, who she is,

00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:52.119
what she believes in. And I have never met a

00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:57.280
woman with stronger character values, with such

00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.579
a level of love and care. I mean, she's the most

00:56:00.579 --> 00:56:04.119
aligned person I know, for sure. after jesus

00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:07.599
christ and i'm not kidding after jesus christ

00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.539
and after reading a lot of people and i have

00:56:10.539 --> 00:56:13.039
never met somebody so aligning between what she

00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:19.179
feels what she thinks and what she says and she

00:56:19.179 --> 00:56:21.460
lives her life with excellence you look at her

00:56:21.460 --> 00:56:25.699
and for me she's inspiration she's healthy she's

00:56:25.699 --> 00:56:30.550
fit she speaks when she needs to speak She has

00:56:30.550 --> 00:56:32.570
done an amazing job with our daughter. When I

00:56:32.570 --> 00:56:35.869
look at my daughter, it has been Sophia's work.

00:56:36.349 --> 00:56:38.789
And perhaps one of the most important things

00:56:38.789 --> 00:56:41.730
you have kids, and if there is something that

00:56:41.730 --> 00:56:43.969
fulfills, is when you see them growing and becoming

00:56:43.969 --> 00:56:47.369
good people. And when I look at my daughter and

00:56:47.369 --> 00:56:50.150
I say, you know what? It's just amazing what

00:56:50.150 --> 00:56:52.230
Sophia has done. And that's her base creation,

00:56:52.650 --> 00:56:56.949
is our daughter. Our daughter is homeschooled,

00:56:56.949 --> 00:56:59.780
unschooled. Sophia does absolutely everything

00:56:59.780 --> 00:57:03.900
education -wise, exercise -wise, everything.

00:57:04.300 --> 00:57:06.780
And when I look at Sigal and I see such a sweet,

00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:10.579
amazing little one, it's just one more reason

00:57:10.579 --> 00:57:13.699
to admire Sophia at the level that I do. So it's

00:57:13.699 --> 00:57:16.679
a combination of everything that she does. It

00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.119
was neat because we were all recently, yourself,

00:57:19.300 --> 00:57:22.280
Sophia, and your daughter, and my wife and I

00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.960
were all in Italy, and we watched your daughter's

00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.550
show, and that was another. 360 moment for me

00:57:28.550 --> 00:57:31.409
as you were walking around with her and the pride

00:57:31.409 --> 00:57:34.809
obviously and her pure joy her pure joy of just

00:57:34.809 --> 00:57:37.210
showing in the ring which did remind me of when

00:57:37.210 --> 00:57:39.829
you were showing Shakira a relevant place she

00:57:39.829 --> 00:57:43.190
was just happy to be in there and living the

00:57:43.190 --> 00:57:46.690
dream and I asked you after the class and stuff

00:57:46.690 --> 00:57:48.449
like that and I asked about school and everything

00:57:48.449 --> 00:57:51.469
like that and you shared that the greatest thing

00:57:51.469 --> 00:57:56.190
we were able to do was having Sophia teach Seagal

00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.820
about following her dreams. And there's the pride

00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:02.659
and the joy in your family at that moment and

00:58:02.659 --> 00:58:05.440
all the time. But just following dreams, I think,

00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.079
is the biggest lesson it seems like you guys

00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.800
are trying to instill in Seagal. And she's a

00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.820
beautiful, beautiful little girl. Yeah, Andrew,

00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:16.960
I'm leading by example, you know. I always bring

00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:21.360
Seagal to the farm, to the lab, and she's giving

00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.420
her little projects. Learning that, teaching

00:58:24.420 --> 00:58:28.380
her that in life, you earn stuff, you work for

00:58:28.380 --> 00:58:31.980
it, you have to put the hours, you have to plan.

00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:37.219
She has shown animals in Colombia, the U .S.,

00:58:37.219 --> 00:58:40.980
now Europe. We're so blessed. We're not millionaires

00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:45.119
by any means, but we feel millionaires in the

00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:48.219
sense that we have lived and provided experiences

00:58:48.219 --> 00:58:51.219
to our world. We're millionaires in experiences.

00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.079
That's what I want to convey. And every opportunity

00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:58.119
we have to show our daughter the world, educate

00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:02.380
her, provide her with perspective. Perspective

00:59:02.380 --> 00:59:06.000
is a very important word. Take her to see that

00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:07.880
the world is different. There is people with

00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:10.880
different needs. And when we were entering the

00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:13.360
ring, first of all, she was so happy when Alberto

00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:16.480
Medina was getting that calf ready that she was

00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:19.079
happy dancing and having so much fun. And we

00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:21.039
were so happy with Sofia to see that because

00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:23.199
she was, enjoying the process. But even the day

00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.000
before, because she didn't know she was going

00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.639
to show, that was a surprise that I gave her.

00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.199
And the day before, I said, hey, Seagal, we need

00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:32.460
to go to Milano. And she said, for what, Daddy?

00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:34.739
I said, because we need to buy your white pants.

00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:37.880
And you need to look the part. You need to have

00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:39.480
your white pants, and they are going to be from

00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.380
Milano. So we go to Milano. We buy her white

00:59:42.380 --> 00:59:44.400
pants, and she's going to look great the next

00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:48.039
day. Alberto had the cap looking great. And before

00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:51.579
entering the show ring, she tells me that, Why

00:59:51.579 --> 00:59:56.119
my legs are shaking? And I said, Sigal, that's

00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:59.840
something that all of us felt sometimes. I get

00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:02.039
very emotional with this because that's exactly

01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:05.579
what I want to provide my daughter. That she

01:00:05.579 --> 01:00:09.300
has all these feelings to know that all the sacrifices,

01:00:09.380 --> 01:00:13.659
the goods, the emotions, the happiness. And then

01:00:13.659 --> 01:00:15.920
when she was in the ring, the cap was a little

01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:18.199
bit hard on her and all of that. I'm helping

01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:21.750
her. But then the moment she was in front of

01:00:21.750 --> 01:00:26.309
Nathan's wife that she was judging, Seagal did

01:00:26.309 --> 01:00:30.730
so amazing walking that calf. I was stunned.

01:00:30.849 --> 01:00:34.050
I was like, wow. She did it so professionally.

01:00:34.590 --> 01:00:38.070
It was 20 seconds where the calf used, led perfectly.

01:00:38.869 --> 01:00:41.769
Seagal led perfectly. And when she ends up, she

01:00:41.769 --> 01:00:44.849
said, Daddy, did I do it with excellence? And

01:00:44.849 --> 01:00:47.250
I said, Seagal, you did it with excellence. You

01:00:47.250 --> 01:00:51.389
did it fantastic. So it was an amazing experience,

01:00:51.510 --> 01:00:53.309
Andrew. What's your advice for young people?

01:00:53.429 --> 01:00:56.090
What advice would you give to them if they want

01:00:56.090 --> 01:01:02.329
to achieve success? Andrew, what I said, I think

01:01:02.329 --> 01:01:07.250
it was in the middle of this podcast. Focus on

01:01:07.250 --> 01:01:15.210
the process. Have fun. Be thankful. Enjoy the

01:01:15.210 --> 01:01:19.340
blessings. And with clarity in your mind that

01:01:19.340 --> 01:01:25.340
blessings meaning health, passion, purpose, connections,

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love, then you will achieve the rest. Whether

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it's a barn full of cows, with 40 cows, or with

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thousands of cows, whether that's a ribbon at

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a show, whether that's money, if you do what's

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right and you focus on having fun in the process,

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you will achieve success. Okay. And one last

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thing. If you could go back and tell the young

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veterinarian who landed in Madison in 2011 about

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what he was going to achieve or what the journey

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ahead would be, what would you tell him? Wow.

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Follow the dream. That was Francisco Rodriguez

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on the Bullvine Podcast. If you want to go deeper

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on the decade rule, the full timeline from Shakira

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to Marcella, how he reinvested that Supreme Champion

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check, and what his 25 -25 -20 -25 life framework

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actually looks like day -to -day, head over to

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thebullvine .com and read the full feature article.

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And if this episode made you think differently

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about your own 10 -year plan, share it with someone

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in your barn or your breeding circle. That's

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how this stuff spreads. Thanks for listening.

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We'll see you next time on The Bullvine Podcast.