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Breaking free from the chains of the past Where

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truth moves faster than a Holstein calf No law

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waiting on some printed page We're charting new

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ground in the digital age From genomic codes

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to robot facts We cut through the noise, no hold

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them back not your daddy's dairy news tonight

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we're sparking Welcome back to the Bullvine Podcast,

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where we cut through dairy industry noise to

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get you the insights that actually matter for

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your operation. And today, we're diving deep

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into a feature piece that's got some serious

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buzz. This one's got layers that'll make every

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farmer really rethink their approach to color

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genetics and the dominant red Holstein. It really

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will, because, let's be honest, we all lived

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by a very simple rule, the rule we learned in

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high school biology. Red times red equals red.

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It's, you know, it's Mendelian genetics 101.

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It was simple. It was reliable. Exactly. And

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that old comfortable rule, it's officially broken.

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The discovery of the COPA gene back in 2015 introduced

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a genetic override switch. That is, well, it's

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fundamentally rewriting how color is transmitted

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in Holsteins. And this isn't some abstract theory

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in a lab. This is actively happening right now

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in high -value breeding programs, and it's leading

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to some major, major losses. The stakes here

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are just astronomical, and this is why we're

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hitting it so hard today. This isn't a discussion

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about whether a show calf is, you know, pretty.

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Not at all. We are talking about registration

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errors that compound over generations. angry

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buyers who feel completely misled, and ruined

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reputations that take decades to build. Right.

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If you're selling high -end embryos or donor

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cows or heifers based on the promise of red genetics,

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and those animals suddenly throw black calves

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after you've mated them to other red animals...

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You're losing serious money. We're talking tens

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of thousands of dollars lost on a single flush.

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And the core controversy here, this is the biggest

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shocker, a variant red bull. A bull that looks

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perfectly red can throw 50 % black calves. Even

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when bred to a traditional recessive red cow.

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A red sire, a red dam, and a black calf. We are

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going to unpack the exact molecular mechanism

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behind that financial trap today. And we're going

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to explain why spending $30 on a specific genetic

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test is currently the cheapest and frankly the

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most necessary insurance policy you can buy in

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your operation right now. So let's start by just

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presenting the core issue. It's this red times

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red equals black scenario. And it is absolutely

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burning seed stock breeders who haven't caught

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up with this research on the COPUS switch. We

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see this playing out every day on the farm, especially

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in operations that are really focused on marketing

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the red and white color. So walk us through it.

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A breeder sources what they think is a high quality

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red bull. Right. They know he's a variant red,

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which means he carries this copa gene. We call

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him DRN, meaning he has one copy of the dominant

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red variant and one normal one. Okay. And they

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breed him to their proven recessive red cows,

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which are the standard E at the traditional color

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locus. So the expectation, based on what, three

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generations of historical Holstein knowledge,

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is 100 % red calves. Why wouldn't it be? Of course.

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Both parents look red, they're fully registered

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as red and white, and the dam has probably always

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produced red calves. But the reality is... They're

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getting exactly 50 % black calves instead. 50

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%? It's a coin flip for color. And that's a coin

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flip you just can't afford to lose if you are

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marketing color. That's where the disaster starts.

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And that's not an exaggeration. A disaster. No.

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If I, the farmer... Sell a calf to a customer

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who paid a premium, say, $5 ,000 for guaranteed

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red genetics, and six months later it turns black,

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or it's born black, or worse, I sell an embryo

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guaranteeing red and the resulting calf is black.

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My word is worthless. It's all about trust. In

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the seed stock business, that trust and that

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reputation damage, you can't quantify it, but

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it's very real, and it takes years. if ever,

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to recover. It doesn't matter how high the bull's

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genomic numbers were if the fundamental promise

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of the phenotype is broken. Okay, so let's strip

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away the jargon and explain the mechanics simply,

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because this is where the money is lost. The

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COPA gene is the override. An animal can be genetically

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programmed for black at the MC1R locus, that's

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the traditional color switch on chromosome 18,

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but if it carries the COPA variant, that dominant

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red gene overrides the black signal and the animal

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expresses red. So it looks red. We call it variant

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red, or DR. So the bull looks red because the

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copa switch is set to red override. But here's

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the trap. The bull is hiding dominant black genetics,

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the Eda Law allele, underneath. And he's almost

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certainly E .D .E. that MC1R locus, just like

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99 % of the black Holstein population. The copa

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gene is just masking it. Precisely. The sire

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is a black bull in red clothing, courtesy of

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the copa gene. The surprise black calves happen

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when the bull, who is heterozygous, DRN, at that

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copa locus. He passes the N, normal allele. He

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fails to pass on the override switch. Okay, let's

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walk through the genetics of that specific calf.

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The dam is recessive red, so she only has the

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E allele to give at MC1R. Right, the calf gets

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that E, no question. The sire is carrying the

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dominant black allele, EDLRE, and if he's homozygous,

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he's passing it. 100 % of the time. And crucially,

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for the COPA gene, the calf gets the normal N

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allele from that sire. That's the exact recipe

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for disaster. That calf has no COPA override

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because the sire didn't pass it on. And now,

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the hidden dominant black gene, EELAO, is free

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to express itself against the single recessive

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red copy, the E the dam provided. And since E

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dominates E? Boom! The calf is phenotypically

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black, a black calf from two parents that look

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completely red. And the breeder is left there

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scratching their head thinking the recessive

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red cow suddenly mutated or that the AI straw

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was mislabeled. Yeah, they blame the AI company.

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They blame the vet. They blame everything but

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the real cause. And the problem was a lack of

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knowledge about this COPA interaction. It's pure

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chaos built on a simple misunderstanding of these

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two color systems working in opposition. It's

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brutal. If you sell 10 embryos at 500 bucks a

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piece and half of them come back black, you're

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refunding $2 ,500 instantly. And that's not even

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mentioning the future business you just lost.

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The math is just brutal when you miss that $30

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test. To really appreciate how revolutionary

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the scope of discovery is and why it changes

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our breeding programs, we have to rewind a bit

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and challenge the old paradigm. Right. For generations,

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we focused exclusively on one thing, the MC1R

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gene, the extension locus on chromosome 18. And

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that gene determined whether the cow was making

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black pigment, eumelanin, or red pigment, pheomelanin.

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That was the key switch, period. That was the

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baseline. And it was a beautifully simple model

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for most of the breed's history. If you had dominant

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black, EDO, you were black. End of story. And

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if you wanted red, you needed two copies of recessive

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red, the E genotype. Anything else was either

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considered impossible or it was such a rarity

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that breeders just ignored it. Let's quickly

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review those MC1R alleles because... Differentiating

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them is so crucial for understanding how this

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COPA override works. Okay, so the standard is

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EDIDL, dominant black. Over 99 % of Holsteins

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carry this. It means the receptor is basically

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locked on, constantly signaling for black pigment

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production. Then you have recessive red, the

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ELEL, and you need two copies. That'll dollars.

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Right, and that's a severe frame shift mutation

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that basically renders the MC1R receptor completely

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non -functional. So since the receptor can't

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receive that go black signal, the cell just defaults

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to producing red pigment. It's a complete silence

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of the black signal. It's off permanently. But

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then we have to talk about the Telstar gene.

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This caused massive confusion back in the day,

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too. And it's so important we don't confuse it

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with variant red. Oh, the classic disappearing

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red. Exactly. Cavs carrying EBA. progeny of bulls

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like roybrook telstar they're born red and you

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cannot tell them apart from a true recessive

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red calf at birth they look identical but between

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three and six months of age their coats just

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progressively darken you see mottled black hairs

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start appearing and eventually the animal switches

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fully to black and that switch it happens because

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of an mc1r timing mechanism it's developmental

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It is not related to the COPA transport system

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at all. This is the critical differentiation.

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Right. EBR is an MC1R allele that regulates when

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the pigment switch happens. The ability to make

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black pigment is there, but the switch is just

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delayed. And we have to differentiate this visually

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and genetically from the COPA effect. If you

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skip testing, you could easily confuse a Telstar

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-carrying calf with a variant red one at birth.

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They look the same. But they have completely

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different inheritance patterns and totally different

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final phenotypes. Telstar animals always turn

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black. Varroate red animals stay red, though

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we'll get into how they might darken a bit later.

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Okay, so that's the old, complicated system on

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chromosome 18. Right. Now we introduce the copo

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override, R160Cs, which sits on chromosome 3.

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A completely different chromosome. Nowhere near

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the traditional color locus, and yet it acts

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as the master override switch. This is the definition

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of epistasis. One gene controlling the expression

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of another totally independent gene. So let's

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use that Farmer English analogy again, but go

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a little deeper into the biology, because this

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mechanism is pretty fascinating. Let's do it.

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Think of the melanocyte, the pigment cell, as...

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A tiny specialized factory. For that factory

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to start making black pigment, the eumelanin,

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it needs two things. One, it needs the MC1R receptor

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sitting on the outside of the cell ready to get

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that go black signal. And two. Two, it needs

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the specialized enzymes like tyrosinase or TYR

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to be transported from the nucleus into the production

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line, which is called the melanosome. So the

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MC1R signal is the general manager shouting,

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start making black paint. Because the animal

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has the dominant black genetics, the EDLA. And

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the COPA gene specifically, the protein complex

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it codes for, which is COPI, is essentially the

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internal delivery truck service inside that cell.

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The delivery truck. I like that. The COPI complex

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is responsible for transporting lots of proteins,

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including these key enzymes and the MC1R receptor

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itself, to the cell surface or the production

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site. The specific mutation in variant red animals

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is a defect that subtly disrupts this delivery

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truck service. So it sounds like a really fundamental

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problem. I mean, shouldn't that just kill the

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cell if its delivery trucks are broken? That's

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the incredible biological nuance here. The mutation

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is severe enough to cripple the delivery of the

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pigment -critical machinery. The paint and the

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paint -making machines. Exactly. But it's mild

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enough that it doesn't disrupt the general, you

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know, housekeeping functions of the cell. The

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cell survives just fine. So melanocytes, these

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specialized pigment cells, they're just uniquely

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sensitive to this slight disruption in the COPI

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function. They need those delivery trucks to

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be running perfectly to execute the black signal.

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So the general manager, MC1R, might be screaming,

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make black paint, because the animal carries

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eight dollars. But the COPA gene has crippled

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the delivery truck service. The required machinery

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just doesn't reach the production line. The analogy

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holds up perfectly. The COPA gene blocks the

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delivery of the receptor to the cell membrane,

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or it blocks the enzymes needed for the synthesis.

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And without that working black machinery in place,

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The cell defaults to its ground state, which

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is producing pheomelanin, or red pigment. So

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the animal is genetically signaling for black,

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but the copa gene blocks the execution. That's

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the genetic override, sitting on a completely

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different chromosome. And this entire paradigm

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-shifting discovery, which now costs or saves

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breeders thousands of dollars, it all stemmed

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from the impossible history of one cow. Surinam

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sheik Rosabel Red, born way back in 1980. We

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have to tell her story. We do. Rosabelle was

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the paradox that the old science could not explain.

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Her sire was confirmed ED -DA, homozygous dominant

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black. So there was zero chance, under the traditional

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MC1R model, that Rosabelle should have been anything

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but black. Yet she was red. And she stayed red.

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She was this anomaly that breeders and geneticists

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argued about for years. Was it a spontaneous

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mutation? Was the sire misidentified? The clincher

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was when she was bred. She consistently produced

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50 % red progeny, regardless of the black sire

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that was used. That 50 % transmission pattern?

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That just screams dominant trait entirely independent

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of the MC1R locus. Exactly. If she were recessive

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red, she could only pass on the E allele, and

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when you breed that to a dominant black bull,

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all her progeny should be black. But 50 % were

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red. This proved the existence of an independent,

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dominant red tree that was overriding the black

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signal. Rosabelle was the foundation of variant

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red, the real -world proof that this epistatic

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interaction existed. Her genetics literally forced

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geneticists to look beyond chromosome 18 and

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find the COPA mutation on chromosome 3. It's

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an incredible piece of detective work that directly

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impacts the bottom line of every red and white

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breeder today. Without Rezabel, we might still

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be stuck in that red X red red mentality, just

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losing money blindly. All right, let's bring

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this discussion back down to earth and attach

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some serious dollar signs to it. We're talking

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genetics, transport proteins. The farmer driving

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the tractor is asking, why should I spend $30

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on yet another test? Because that $30 test is

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your cheapest, fastest, most effective form of

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insurance against thousands, potentially tens

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of thousands in losses or major reputational

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harm. The cost of the error here is just so disproportionately

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high compared to the cost of getting the information.

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The test, again, is a comprehensive color genotype.

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It costs around 30 bucks through major labs like

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UC Davis VGL. And crucially, it has to check

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both COPA status. the variant red status, and

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MC1R status, the extension locus. And if you're

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using Holstein USA's standard genomic panels,

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this data is integrated, but you have to know

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how to read it. Okay, let's quantify the financial

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risk. Let's look at four real -world scenarios

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where skipping that $30 test results in a financial

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catastrophe. Scenario 1, the Telstar trap. You

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operate a seed stock business. You sell a beautiful,

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high -genomic red heifer for $5 ,000, marketing

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her as premium, true red breeding stock. You

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skipped the $30 test because she looked red.

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Of course. Six months later, she turns black

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because she was carrying Iviar, the Telstar gen.

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The customer contacts you, furious, demanding

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a full refund. That is a $5 ,000 refund, plus

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the loss of that customer for life and every

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breeder they talk to. The heifer still has value

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for milk, sure, but her value as a red breeding

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animal, which is what the customer paid for,

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it drops to near zero. Reputational damage among

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show circles and red and white breeders is instantaneous.

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You risk several thousand dollars to save 30,

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it just doesn't pencil out. Never. Okay, scenario

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two, the registration error. This one compounds

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the damage across the entire breed. You have

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a variant red calf, a DRN, looking identical

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to a recessive red calf, EI2. You register it

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as recessive red because, you know, the sire

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was listed as red factor and the dam is red.

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Right. Now that false pedigree data is locked

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in the system, future buyers... maybe five years

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down the line use that cow's genetics assuming

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she's a clean recessive red line and their breeding

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math is constantly wrong you're not just messing

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up your own farm you're messing up everyone downstream

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who relies on the accuracy of that pedigree and

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if a buyer invests say $10 ,000 in a contract

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for daughters from that line, and the resulting

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calves fail to deliver the expected color. That

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registration error is costing you potentially

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massive liability and, again, huge reputational

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recovery cost. Scenario three, the donor disaster.

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This is where the losses get truly massive. Oh,

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yeah. Imagine you have an elite black cow with

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high genomics, a cow you want to convert into

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red genetics. using a variant red bull, you decide

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to flush her. You're spending, what, $4 ,000

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to $6 ,000 on cinch, hormones, vet fees, recipient

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cow management. All planning to sell the resulting

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embryos for maybe $500 to $1 ,000 each, based

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on a 50 % red guarantee. But if you made a false

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assumption about the donor cow's hidden MC1R

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status, or if your VRC bull wasn't fully tested,

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those resulting embryos might not deliver that

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promised red -black ratio. So you commit thousands

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to the flush, and then you have to refund pre

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-buyers. Or worse, the resulting calves are just

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unsaleable because of a phenotype -genotype mismatch.

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We're talking easily five figures lost, the cost

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of the flush, the lost revenue on the embryos,

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the time spent waiting, all because a $30 test

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was skipped on the sire or the dam. And the final

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one? Scenario four. The cleanup bull chaos. This

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is the simplest financial trap. You turn out

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a heterozygous variant, Red Bull DRN, and EBOL

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for summer cleanup breeding in a mixed color

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group. He's cheap, he's healthy, he gets the

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job done. The calves are born, some red, some

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black, some a little mottled. Now you've got

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two problems. One, you have no idea which of

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those red calves are recessive red and which

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are variant red. And two, because you mixed colors,

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you can't track the pedigree easily. So you need

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to select replacements intelligently for the

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next generation. But you can't tell the difference

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just by looking at them. So what do you have

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to do? Now you are forced into genomic testing

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the entire calf crop, not just the keepers, just

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to sort out the replacements and understand their

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genetic value. At $30 to $40 per head for the

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full color panel across dozens or hundreds of

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animals. You've just spent thousands to clean

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up the mess caused by skipping the initial $30

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test on the bull. The chaos of phenotype ambiguity

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forces you into expensive testing downstream.

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So when you weigh a one -time $30 investment

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against a $5 ,000 refund, $10 ,000 in lost embryo

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sales, or $3 ,000 in unnecessary calf testing.

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That $30 test is absolutely non -negotiable insurance.

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If color is affecting your revenue stream, meaning

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you are selling genetics, not just milk, you

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cannot afford to guess. You need to know both.

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the COPA status, and the underlying MC1R status.

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Let's shift gears and talk about the strategic

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appeal of Variant Red. I mean, why would any

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breeder willingly introduce this level of complexity

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and risk into their program? The answer is simple.

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Speed and efficiency. That's the core appeal,

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and it's why VRC is here to stay. Traditional

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recessive red breeding is a generational commitment.

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It's so slow. If you breed a heterozygous recessive

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red cow, ED day, to a heterozygous bull, Edie,

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you only get a 25 % chance of a red calf. It's

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just hugely inefficient when you're trying to

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inject color or any associated desirable redline

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trait into an elite... black genomic line. Variant

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red lets you do it fast. It's rapid integration.

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Breeding a VRC bull to a high merit homozygous

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black cow yields 50 % red calves in the first

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generation. You instantly jumpstart the color

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inheritance process. It makes the variant red

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trait a really powerful strategic asset for commercializing

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high genomic females from the black population.

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And this trait was legitimized by specific animals

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that combined that variant red gene with other

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elite characteristics, particularly high type

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and production. We have to talk about the matriarchs

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that dragged VRC into the mainstream. We always

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trace back to Rosabelle, the 1980 founder. But

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the pivotal modern matriarch was Stoned and Fool's

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Gold Red, born in 2007. She was sired by the

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legendary Braydale Goldwyn and critically...

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Fool's gold combined the dominant red gene with

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show -winning type and high production index

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numbers. She was a dominant female who brought

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VRC into the mainstream genomic era. She made

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it viable for breeders focused on profitability,

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not just novelty. And that line continues right

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through to modern sires. A great example is Vogue

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Zircon P. He's a key modern carrier, heterozygous

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DRN. But what makes Zircon P so strategically

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valuable is what we call the double dominant

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advantage. He also carries the polled trait.

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That is a massive breeding tool. You are transmitting

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two dominant market desirable traits, red and

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polled, with a 50 % success rate for each in

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a single generation straight into an elite black

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line. That's how VRC moves from a genetic curiosity

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to a strategic money -making asset. It's an instant

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accelerator for specific traits. But now, the

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nuance that gets breeders into trouble. The phenotypic

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expression. We said VRC animals look red. But

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we know they can darken. And this is where we

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have to hammer home the difference between Telstar

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and the VRC leaky blockade. Yes, we need to spend

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time here. Because failing to distinguish these

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two mechanisms is what leads to those registration

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mistakes. Variant red expression isn't always

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uniform and sable like the absolute non -functional

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silence of a recessive red animal. The underlying

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biology is completely different. Recessive red

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is a broken receptor. It simply cannot make black

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pigment. But variant red is a disrupted delivery

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truck. that COPA defect that just slows down

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the production of black pigment. And blockages,

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especially biological ones, are inherently leaky.

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Research confirms this. The inhibition of those

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black pigment enzymes, TYR and TYRP1, in VRT

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animals is less complete than it is in E -recessive

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red animals. The cell is still trying to make

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black pigment. And sometimes some of that machinery

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gets through. especially as the animal matures

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and hormonal balances shift. This explains the

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famous Tecventuro calico red case. He was born

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red, but he darkened significantly, eventually

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turning mostly black later in life. And breeders

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sometimes mistakenly assumed he was a Telstar

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carrier because he darkened. But that darkening

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is due to the inherent leakiness of that copa

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blockade. over time, and it's potentially influenced

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by testosterone, which is why darkening is often

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more pronounced in bulls. The melanocytes manage

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to synthesize enough eumelan to cause intermixed

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black hairs or a darkening of the extremities.

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They're just overcoming that transport blockage

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slowly. It is absolutely crucial that breeders

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understand this distinction. This VRC darkening

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is not the Telstar mechanism, the EB gene. Right.

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Telstar animals darken because their MC1R gene

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is specifically programmed to switch on black

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pigment production later in life. Calico Red

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still transmits the dominant red gene, VRC. He

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is darkening because his COPA mutation is an

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imperfect block against the ED gene he carries.

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Two different genetic processes. Similar visual

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outcome of blackening, but completely different

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inheritance patterns and breeding values. And

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only testing tells the difference between the

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red calf that will turn entirely black, that's

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Telstar, and the red calf that will stay mostly

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red but might darken at the extremities, which

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is VRC. Okay, let's synthesize this into a practical

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mating outcomes cheat sheet. If a farmer is using

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VRC, what is the safest path and what is the

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highest risk they absolutely have to avoid? The

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cleanest, safest path to guaranteed red outcomes,

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if you prioritize color consistency, is to use

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a homozygous variant red sire, a DRDR bull. These

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bulls are rare. We mentioned Vogue Red IP as

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an example. But because they have two copies

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of the override switch, they yield 100 % red

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offspring, even on your homozygous black cows.

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The override is guaranteed. Every single time.

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This eliminates that 50 % risk. And the high

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risk, high reward strategy. That's for the much

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more common heterozygous variant, red sire, the

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DRN, the zircon peas of the world. You have to

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be surgical in their use. Use them aggressively

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on your elite black dams, which are $80 at MC1R.

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That's the strategic move. You instantly inject

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red color into that pedigree with a 50 % hit

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rate, and you accelerate your breeding plan.

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And critically, do not, under any circumstances,

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use them on your recessive red dams, your e -cock

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cows. That is the precise mating we identified

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at the very beginning that introduces the 50

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% black calf risk, because you risked removing

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the copa override by passing the N allele. and

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exposing the bull's hidden dominant black gene,

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AD dollars. If you are using a variant red bull,

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you must know his underlying MC1R status. Is

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he eated? If so, the risk is 50 % on your red

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cows. It's all about risk management. If you

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need guaranteed red, use DRDR or clean eGenetics.

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If you're leveraging the speed of ERC, only mate

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those DRN bulls to black cows. It's a simple

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rule, but with massive implications. The industry

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is clearly reacting to this newfound complexity.

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The elite tier of genetics is already moving

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toward mandatory COPA and MC1R testing at registration.

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It's no longer optional. It's an inevitability

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driven by the demand for transparency and accurate

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pedigree data. Exactly. Competitive pressure

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demands this clarity. When major AI studs, like

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select sires, publish specific codes DR1, DR2,

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and detailed mating guidance, they set the standard.

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And breeders spending premium dollars on embryos

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or semen demand to know exactly what they are

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buying. If one supplier provides total genetic

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transparency and the next one doesn't, the market

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will always choose transparency. But here is

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where the complexity gets international and where

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breeders importing or exporting genetics can

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get burned. Ah, yes. We need to decode those

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standards because the names change depending

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on which country you're dealing with. It's the

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same genetics, just different shorthand. And

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this can lead to massive expensive errors in

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tag reanalysis. So in the U .S., the Holstein

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Association and CDCB use DR0 for tested free,

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DR1 for a heterozygous carrier, and DR2 for homozygous

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dominant red. DR0, DR1, DR2. Got it. But if you

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are looking at Canadian genetics... Holstein

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Canada uses VRF for free, VRC for a carrier,

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and VRS for a homozygous. VRF, VRC, VRF. Think

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about a breeder in the U .S. purchasing semen

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from a high genomic Canadian bull. The bull is

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listed as VRC. If that U .S. buyer mistakenly

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assumes VRC means variant red clean or somehow

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confuses it with each genetics. They are introducing

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a massive risk into their program. A VRC bull

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in Canada is the same as a DR1 bull in the U

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.S., a heterozytis carrier with that 50 percent

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black risk when bred to a recessive red dam.

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You absolutely must know which country's code

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you are reading to prevent catastrophic breeding

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mistakes. It requires a dedicated checklist at

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the time of purchase. And this is just one example

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of the increasing complexity that breeders have

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to manage. It's not just about color, it's about

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the fact that one mutation on chromosome 3 completely

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overrides the effect of a gene on chromosome

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18. This kind of network thinking is the future

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of genomics across all traits. However, we have

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to take a moment to acknowledge the holdouts

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and their rationale is perfectly sound. We can't

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just preach mandatory testing to everyone. Absolutely

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not. For a large commercial 500 -cow dairy that

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ships bull calves at a week old and selects replacements

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purely on efficiency, milk production, and health

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traits like feed saved. Color genetics are completely

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irrelevant to their income statement. Right.

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Mandatory testing across all registrations is

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just... unnecessary friction, cost, and complexity

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for those operations. Their rational business

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decision is to prioritize traits that generate

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revenue, which is milk, and reduce cost, which

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is health and feed efficiency. They are maximizing

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profit by ignoring color. We have to respect

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that. The $30 test is irrelevant to them when

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they are looking at $100 gain in health dollars

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per animal per year. This deep dive is primarily

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focused on operations that monetize genetics

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and phenotype. Which brings us to the ultimate

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verdict for anyone marketing genetics. Phenotype

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alone is now useless in the Holstein breed. Wait,

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that's a heavy statement. Unpack that again for

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the farmer driving down the road. Phenotype alone

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is useless for predicting genetic outcome. A

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red calf at birth can be three fundamentally

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different things, and you cannot tell the difference

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just by looking at it. Okay, number one. One,

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it could be variant red, VRC, or DR1. It carries

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hidden dominant black. EDD2 and the dominant

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override gene. Number two. Two, it could be recessive

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red, EB2 exit. It is clean and transmits true

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red. And number three. Three, it could be Telstar,

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EE2. It will turn black in six months and may

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carry the ED gene. They all look red at day one.

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But only testing confirms which one. And that

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distinction dictates the animal's future breeding

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value, its marketability, and its potential to

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wreck your mating program. If it's Telstar, it

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turns black buyer beware. If it's BRC, it hides

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black genetics breeder beware. If it's recessive

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red, it's clean. That's the gold standard. It's

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the ultimate lesson in modern genomics. You cannot

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manage what you can't measure. The COPA discovery

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didn't complicate color genetics. It just revealed

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the complexity that had always been hidden beneath

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the surface. It was always there. We just didn't

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have the tools to see these epistatic interactions

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before 2015. The breeders who adapt their programs

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now, moving away from simple one -gene thinking

00:29:27.220 --> 00:29:29.960
toward network analysis, are the ones who will

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avoid those expensive surprises and, critically,

00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:35.759
leverage the speed of the variant red trait strategically.

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All right. A farmer just finished milking. pulled

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out their phone and is driving to the feed store.

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What are the three things they need to remember

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and act on from today's discussion about the

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COPPA switch? We need three actionable steps

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based on clear timelines focused entirely on

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protecting their investment. What's number one?

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Immediate action this week. Immediate action.

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Test your red sires. If you own, lease, or use

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any variant red bulls or any red factor bulls

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that trace back to the Roosevelt or Foles gold

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lines, get their full color panel, COPA, and

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MC1R now. This is your $30 insurance policy.

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And the reasoning. You need to understand the

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hidden dominant black genetics, the e -dealers

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they are carrying. If that sire is DRN and e

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-dealers, you know immediately that the 50 %

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black calf risk exists when you mate him to any

00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.220
recessive red cow you own. If you skip this,

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you are betting thousands on a coin flip. What's

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the medium -term strategy? Three to six months

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out. Number two, rethink your red mating programs

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and documentation. If guaranteed red calves are

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your goal, especially for marketing high -value

00:30:36.849 --> 00:30:39.349
heifers, stop relying on heterozygous variant

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red, the DRN sires, on your red cows. The financial

00:30:43.029 --> 00:30:45.509
risk of a failed calf or a refund is just too

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high. So what's the alternative? Switch immediately

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to using homozygous variant red, DRDR, sires

00:30:50.829 --> 00:30:54.049
for guaranteed results, or... Use proven, tested

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recessive red e -genetics that are confirmed

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COPA -free, DR0 or VRF. And start documenting

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the full COPA and MC1R status on all your replacement

00:31:02.890 --> 00:31:05.309
heifers and animals you intend to market. Use

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those breed standard codes clearly. Transparency

00:31:07.950 --> 00:31:09.970
protects you from liability. And the long -term

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positioning, one to two years down the road.

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Number three, leverage VRC strategically, not

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casually. Understand the actual strategic value

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of variant red. Use the trait to convert your

00:31:21.619 --> 00:31:24.059
highest genomic black females into red bloodlines

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instantly. Mate your DRN bulls only to high merit

00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:30.759
homozygous black cows to quickly produce valuable

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50 % red daughters in the first generation. And

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what should they avoid? Never, ever use VRC bulls

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as cleanup bulls on mixed color groups during

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the summer. The subsequent expense of sorting,

00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.099
testing, and verifying those resulting calves

00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:46.519
later, the thousands spent on genomic cleanup,

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will wipe out any perceived breeding benefit.

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Just stick to a clean, heat -recessive Red Bull

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if you need a specific color cleanup. This has

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been another deep dive from the Bullvine Podcast.

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Managing complexity in dairy genetics is the

00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.440
new reality, and the COPA switch is just the

00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.099
first step in understanding how two different

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genetic pathways affect our profitability. For

00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.720
more straight -talking industry analysis, head

00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:11.359
to www .thebullvine .com. Absolutely. The epistatic

00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:14.380
interactions we saw today, one pathway overriding

00:32:14.380 --> 00:32:16.880
another, they don't just stop at color. These

00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.700
genetic networks show up in fertility, health,

00:32:19.819 --> 00:32:22.380
and efficiency traits as well. The mental model

00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:25.119
you build managing variant red is the same sophisticated

00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:28.079
model you'll need for the next layers of genetic

00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.279
complexity headed for your future breeding program.

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It's all connected. It is. Subscribe wherever

00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.279
you get podcasts. We're out with new episodes

00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.539
every day, and next time's topic will be analyzing

00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:39.339
how genetic networks like the epi - static interaction

00:32:39.339 --> 00:32:42.259
we saw today show up in fertility, health, and

00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:44.480
efficiency traits and what that means for your

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.519
future breeding program. We'll see you next time.
