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Welcome to the Bullvine Podcast. Today we're

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diving into the costly mistake that's happening

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on dairy farms across the country, the obsession

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with black -hided calves at the expense of real

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genetic performance. Are you throwing away thousands

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of dollars in potential profits with every breeding

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decision on your dairy farm? What if I told you

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that those cheap black Angus straws you've been

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using could actually be economic suicide for

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your operation? The numbers tell a shocking story.

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Since 2017, US beef semen sales have skyrocketed

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by 6 .5 million units, while Holstein semen sales

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plummeted by 6 .3 million units. This massive

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shift has created a temporary market advantage,

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but those cheap black -hided beef semen straws

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aren't the bargain you think they are. While

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a generic black cross calf might fetch you $150

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to $200 at birth compared to just $25 to $50

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for a Holstein bull calf, premium beef crosses

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selected for the right genetics can command $225

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to $250 per head. But that's just the beginning

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of the profit difference. In the next 20 minutes,

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I'll explain why those black calves in your pen

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might actually be Holstein steers in disguise,

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how proper genetic selection can improve your

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daily gain by up to 25%, and the specific traits

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you should be demanding from your semen representative.

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Let's dive in. Okay, folks, gather around because

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we've got some data that's been kind of bugging

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us. And frankly, it's hard to ignore. Yeah. We're

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talking about a... pretty big change since 2017.

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I mean, beef semen sales have gone up, you know,

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a whopping six and a half million here in the

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U .S. Wow. While Holstein semen sales have just

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tanked, you know, down 6 .3 million. Really?

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I mean, those are some serious numbers, folks,

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not just little blips on the radar. This is like

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the whole dairy landscape is shifting. Yeah.

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So you listening out there, I got to ask, are

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you part of this whole trend? Are you breeding

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for those black calves? Well, it's a pretty natural

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response to how the market's been behaving, wouldn't

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you say? Absolutely. I mean, who wouldn't be

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drawn to the promise of better prices for those

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beef on dairy calves? Right. It seems like easy

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money at first. You just get that black hide

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and you're golden. Yeah. But that's where things

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get a little tricky. We might even call it black

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hide blindness. Ooh, catchy. Yeah. A little dramatic

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maybe. Yeah. But it really highlights this narrow

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focus we're seeing. Yeah, it does. And the problem

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with that laser focus on just color. Yeah. is

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that we forget about the things that really matter

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for a profitable herd. We get so fixated on the

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black hide that we kind of forget about what's

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underneath it. Exactly. The genetics that drive

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growth efficiency and carcass quality, those

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are what determine the real value in the long

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run. Bingo. And that's why we're here today.

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We're not just going to throw numbers at you.

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We want to dig deep and figure out why these

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numbers are what they are. And more importantly,

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what it all means for your bottom line. Exactly.

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We've gone through a ton of research and industry

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data to give you the full picture so you can

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make smart reading decisions that go beyond just

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what color that calf is going to be. That's right.

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We want you to have the knowledge to navigate

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this market strategically, not just react to

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it. Exactly. You know, it's about seeing past

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that initial price difference and understanding

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what drives profit in the long haul. OK, so let's

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dig into this whole beef on dairy premium thing.

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It's the epicenter of this shift, wouldn't you

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say? What really kicked things off? Well, I think

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the turning point was back in 2017, 2018, when

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the big meat packers, they basically stopped

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buying Holstein steers. Oh, wow. You know, as

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a primary product. Yeah. That really tanked the

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demand and, of course, the market value for those

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steers. Right. So a pretty standard option for

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some of those bull calves just kind of vanished.

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Yeah. It wasn't viable anymore. The price just

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didn't make sense. That must have been a shock

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to the industry. Oh, it was a big shakeup. And,

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you know, dairy producers, they're always looking

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for a good return. Yeah. So it quickly turned

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to beef breeds, especially Ankus. Oh, yeah. With

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their reputation for those black hides. Right.

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And you can see it in the numbers between 2017

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and 2022. Beef on dairy crosses just exploded.

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They filled that gap. making up almost 70 % of

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the animals harvested that would have been Holstein

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steers before. 70 %? Yeah, that's a massive shift

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in a very short time. That's huge. Yeah. No wonder

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everyone jumped on board. It seemed like a simple

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solution, right? Yeah, breed for black, get a

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better price. Exactly. But as Denise Schwab from

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Iowa State University Extension pointed out,

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it's kind of like saying, just find me some cheap

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Holstein semen. You wouldn't do that for your

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dairy genetics. So why approach beef on dairy

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any differently? It's a great analogy. You know,

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you can't skimp on genetics. Even if you get

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that black calf, it's going to affect its value

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down the line. Right. And the market data from

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2023, 2024 really shows this. A newborn Holstein

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bull might bring in, what, $25 to $50? Yeah.

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But a generic black... crossbred calf, you're

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looking at $150 to $200. Okay. That sounds like

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a pretty good deal, right? It does at first glance.

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Yeah. But let's look a little closer at the feeder

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calf values. No. You know, those 500, 600 pounders.

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Yeah. The Holstein bull is still way behind like

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$40 per hundredweight below a beef calf. Oh.

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So that's a $200 to $240 hit per head. Ouch,

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the generic black cross is better, but still

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$15, $20 per hundredweight behind. Okay. So that's

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$7 ,520 per head you're losing out on. So just

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getting that black hide isn't enough? Nope. You're

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leaving money on the table by not focusing on

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the genetics. So what are we talking about for

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a premium beef cross then? Now those are interesting.

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Those newborns are valued even higher at $225

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to $250. And as feeders, they're only $512 per

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hundredweight below straight beef. So the discount

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shrinks to a tiny $25 .72 per head. Okay. You're

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looking at a potential four to six times higher

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value compared to that Holstein bull cap. Oh.

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But it's the quality of the beef cross. Yeah.

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The strategic genetic selection that makes the

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difference. Right. So that easy money from just

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a black hide could disappear pretty quickly.

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Yeah. If you're not careful, you could end up

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with a calf worth hundreds of dollars less than

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a strategically bred cross. That's a big difference.

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Yeah. And this isn't just a local thing. Right.

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This is happening globally. Yeah, exactly. We

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see this reflected in the global market, too.

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What are we seeing in Europe, for example? Well,

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European auction data from 2021 to 2023 consistently

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shows beef on dairy calves valued at 50 % to

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200 % more per kilogram than purebred Holsteins

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or brown Swiss. 50 % to 200 % higher. So this

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isn't just a U .S. phenomenon. Nope. It's a global

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demand for a better product. Now, I find it interesting

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that Dan Thompson from Iowa State University

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seems pretty positive about these. consistently

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grading beef -dairy crosses. Yeah. It seems like

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when done right, these animals can be a real

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asset to the feeder cattle supply. Right. But

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the key phrase there is consistently grading.

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Yeah. That comes from careful genetic selection,

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not just luck. Now, before everyone goes crazy

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and buys up all the premium beef semen, we do

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have to issue a disclaimer here, right? Absolutely.

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Market values are going to fluctuate for all

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cattle. Right. You know, they go up and down

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depending on the season and the region. Yeah.

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So you folks listening, it's crucial to check

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with your local livestock markets. Yeah. You

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know, see what the current prices are in your

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area. Right. What we see as a general trend might

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not apply everywhere. Exactly. Okay. So we've

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talked about the market shift, the potential

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for better premiums and the danger of just chasing

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black hides. Yeah. Now let's move on to something

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fundamental, no matter what color the calf is,

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health and welfare. Right. Black or otherwise

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doesn't make you any money. Very true. So we've

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seen the potential economic upside. Yeah. But

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what are the potential downsides, the things

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to be cautious about beyond just the price? OK,

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well, one thing that's absolutely crucial is

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top notch health management. Right. You know,

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if you want these beef dairy crosses to thrive

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and reach their full potential. Yeah. We see

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time and time again that respiratory disease

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is a major problem. Yeah. It's the second leading

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cause of death. in those first 60 days of life.

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And then it becomes the leading cause after that.

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That's a scary thought. It is. And Sandra Stickin

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from the University of Wisconsin Extension, she's

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got some strong words about the damage even one

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case of pneumonia can do. Right, long -term damage.

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Yeah, her research shows that just one episode

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of respiratory disease in a calf can cause permanent

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lung damage. Wow. And that directly impacts their

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final carcass weight and quality grades. So if

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you don't take care of those calves early on,

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it's going to postulate. Exactly. It's a domino

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effect. Yeah. You know, a sick calf means a lighter

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carcass. Yeah. Lower quality meat and less money

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in your pocket. Now, beyond the calf's health,

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this trend of breeding dairy cows to beef sires

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also raises some welfare concerns for the cows

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themselves, right? It does. There was a review

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published in PMC in 2023. Okay. And they raised

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some important points about using certain beef

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breeds on dairy cows. They found that it could

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increase gestation length, lead to dystocia,

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which is difficult calving, and even higher rates

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of stillbirths, depending on the breed. That's

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a big deal. It is, and the research really backs

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it up. Researchers looked at over 75 ,000 lactations.

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Wow. And they found a much higher risk of stillbirth

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in calves sired by crossbred beef bulls. How

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much higher? About 5 % compared to just 2%. For

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Holstein sired calves. So more than double the

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risk. Yeah. And it's not just stillbirths, right?

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The length of the pregnancy is affected too.

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That's right. Almost all beef sires tend to increase

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gestation length compared to that average. 277

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days we see in Holsteins. Right. For example,

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limousine sires added about five days, bringing

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the gestation to 282 days, and Wagyu sires even

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longer, up to 285 days. Wow. So these longer

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pregnancies can really impact your herd management.

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Yeah. And the cow's subsequent lactation too.

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So the key takeaway here is that it's not just

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about getting a black calf. Right. It's about

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choosing sires that are known for... easy calving.

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Yeah. Especially when you're breeding heifers.

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Absolutely. You might get a slightly higher calf

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value, but at what cost? Yeah. You could be increasing

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the risk and difficulty at calving time. That's

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a tough trade -off. It is. You need to find the

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right balance. Right. It's not just about the

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calf's traits. It's also about the cow's health

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and well -being. Exactly. You have to think about

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the whole picture. Okay. So we've covered the

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market, the premiums, the health and welfare

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concerns. Now let's get down to brass tacks and

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talk about performance. Okay. Because as we mentioned

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earlier, not all black calves are created equal.

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Right. There's a big difference between what

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we call black Holsteins and those high -performing

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beef crossbreds. Yeah, that's a key distinction.

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And a lot of the crosses we're seeing now, they

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basically inherit the dairy frame and characteristics.

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Right, even with that black hide. Exactly. And

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the research is clear on this dairy type. Cattle

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just don't perform as well as beef types. In

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what ways? Well, they generally have lower feed

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efficiency, less muscle development, and a lower

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dressing percentage. Meaning? Less of that live

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weight actually becomes sellable meat. So you

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might get that black calf. Yeah. But if it eats

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more to gain less weight and yields less meat

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in the end. That black hide premium might not

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be so great after all. Yeah. And Denise Schwab's

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quote really hits home here. Oh, yeah. What does

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she say? She said, breeding just for color is

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like producing Holstein steers without a market

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for them. Oh, right. It highlights the problem

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of those tall black crossbreds that don't really

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fit in anywhere. They're not what the dairy industry

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wants and not what the beef industry wants. So

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let's break down these performance differences

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with some numbers. Sure. Because this is where

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the rubber meets the road when it comes to profit.

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Okay. So for average daily gain. A Holstein -type

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animal might gain about 1 .4 to 1 .50 kilograms

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per day. Okay. Now, a quality beef crossbred

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can achieve 1 .62 to 1 .76 kilograms per day.

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Wow, that's a big difference. Yeah, that's an

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8 to 25 percent improvement in growth rate. And

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that means? Fewer days on feed. Right. A well

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-bred cross can reach market weight 5 to 26 days

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sooner. And with feed costs at $3 .50 per head

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per day. Those fewer days really add up to big

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savings. Okay, so they grow faster and eat less

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for the same amount of gain. What about the actual

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meat yield, the dressing percentage? Right, well,

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a typical Holstein might dress out at less than

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60%. Okay. But a quality beef crossbred will

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usually be over 61%. That extra percentage or

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two means more red meat yield, which means more

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value for the packer and ultimately a better

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price for you. And we can't forget feed efficiency.

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Oh, absolutely. How efficiently they turn feed

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into weight. Right. Well, colony booth crossbreds

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are just much more efficient at converting feed

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into muscle. Okay. That lowers your overall cost

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of gain, making them more profitable to feed

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out. And then there's the big one, grading performance.

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Yeah. Everyone's talking about quality grades

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these days. Right. That's all about the meat

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quality. Exactly. And dairy type carcasses tend

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to grade lower. They have less marbling, less

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of that intramuscular fat. So they don't hit

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those high value prime and choice grades as often.

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And the beef crossbreds. Quality beef crossbreds

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can have 15 to 25 % higher rates of hitting those

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premium grades. Wow. And those grades come with

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big price premiums. So when you add it all up.

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Yeah. Faster growth, less feed, better yield,

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higher quality. These aren't just little improvements.

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They're huge profit multipliers. And if you're

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just breeding for a black hide and ending up

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with a low yielding, low quality carcass. Yeah.

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You're probably going to see more price deductions

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than premiums. That's right. The color might

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get you in the door, but performance is what

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pays the bills. So this really emphasizes the

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importance of breed selection. It's not just

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about picking any black bull. It's about choosing

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genetics that will actually deliver. Right. And

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the data shows some key differences between beef

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breeds commonly used on dairy cows. Yeah. For

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example, Angus consistently performs really well.

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In what ways? They have a high average daily

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gain around 1 .76 kilogram a day, and they tend

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to reach market weight quickly. Plus, they're

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known for producing excellent marbling. and they

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have a moderate frame size, which is often what

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you want in a beef dairy cross. What about Charolais?

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They're known for fast growth, right? Yeah. Charolais

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crosses also grow quickly, around 1 .73 kilogram

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a day, and have a relatively short feeding time.

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They're known for their muscle development and

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larger frame, which is great for meat yield.

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Okay. But you might need to be a bit more careful

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when using them on dairy cows, especially heifers,

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because they could have calving difficulties.

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And cemental. Cemental crosses are a good all

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-around choice, with an average daily gain of

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about 1 .68 kg a day and a relatively short feeding

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time. They have good growth and a moderate frame,

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making them a versatile option. Now, limousine

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are also known for good muscle yield, but it

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seems there's a trade -off there. Yeah, limousine

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crosses do have excellent muscle yield, with

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an average daily gain of around 1 .65 kg a day

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and a good dressing percentage. Okay. But they

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also tend to have a longer gestation length.

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And as we discussed earlier, that can lead to

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economic losses because of delayed rebreeding

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and other factors. Now, there was some research

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out of Penn State that really supported the performance

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of Angus charolais and cemental crosses in terms

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of growth rate and how quickly they reach market

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weight. Right. Their study published in the Journal

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of Animal Science showed that those three breeds

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consistently performed the best. They had the

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highest average daily gain and the shortest time

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on feed when crossed with Holsteins. And that

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point about the longer gestation with limousine

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is important. Yeah, those extra days can really

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add up to lost money. It's something to consider

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carefully when choosing a sire. Especially if

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you're aiming for a tight calving interval. You

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know, you've got to weigh the pros and cons.

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It's interesting what Dan Schaefer said about

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the... Amazing challenge of trying to hit certified

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Angus beef standards in just one generation of

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crossbreeding. Yeah. It shows that it's not a

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quick fix. It takes consistent and careful selection

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over time to reach those goals. Exactly. Just

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using any Angus bull isn't a guarantee of getting

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those premium grades. Right. You need to be selective

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even within the breed. Exactly. Now, all this

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information is great. But this whole beef on

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dairy thing is still relatively new and constantly

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evolving. Yeah, there's new research coming out

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all the time. It's exciting. It is. And it's

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great to see organizations like the Iowa Beef

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Industry Council funding research in this area.

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Oh, yeah. What are they doing? Well, they're

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funding a three -part research project through

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the Iowa Beef Center specifically to address

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the knowledge gaps in beef on dairy production.

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That's fantastic. Really practical research.

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They're actually following these calves from

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birth to harvest. They're feeding three groups

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of beef dairy crosses at the Iowa State Feed

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Intake Monitoring System, tracking their feed

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intake growth and then collecting detailed carcass

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data. So they're getting the whole picture. Exactly.

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And Gail Carpenter from ISU Extension, she emphasizes

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that this is still a new area. Right. And the

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goal is to get producers the most up -to -date

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information. That's what we need. Yeah. When

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will we start seeing some results? Well, the

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first group of calves was expected to reach market

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weight around March of 2025. Okay. So soon. Yeah.

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So we should start seeing some preliminary data

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soon and then more as the other two groups are

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harvested. Now, it's not just the U .S. that's

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doing this kind of research, right? Other countries

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are developing tools for beef on dairy breeding

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decisions. What are they doing in Ireland, for

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example? Well, Ireland has developed a beef on

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dairy index. They call it the Buddy Index. Okay.

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And this index ranks bulls based on the expected

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economic output of their calves, considering

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factors like calving difficulty and carcass characteristics.

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It's a well -rounded approach. Exactly. It's

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not just about one trait. And the Nordic countries

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are involved too, right? Denmark, Sweden, and

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Finland, they've introduced the Nordic Beef on

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Dairy Index, or NBDI. Okay. And their index includes

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seven key traits focusing on minimizing calving

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difficulty and stillbirth rates and maximizing

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carcass value. So they're really addressing those

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welfare concerns we talked about. Absolutely.

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They're trying to select for both profitability

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and animal well -being. These international efforts

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really show that beef on dairy isn't just a fad.

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It's a serious strategy, and it requires a strategic

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approach to breeding. Yeah, these indexes give

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breeders the tools to make informed decisions.

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Right, decisions that benefit both the dairy

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farm and the beef market. Exactly. Now, for some

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producers, all this talk of indexes and EPDs

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might be a bit overwhelming. Oh, yeah, it can

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seem complicated. The article did mention situations

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where a simpler approach might be better. Right.

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Can you walk us through those? Sure. For producers

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who don't have a lot of time or resources to

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dive into the genetics, just choosing reputable

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Angus genetics with good calving ease is still

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a good strategy. Better than just picking any

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black bull. Exactly. You're at least addressing

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that risk of difficult births. What about smaller

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herds? If you're only breeding a few cows to

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beef, does it make sense to do all that genetic

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analysis? In very small herds, say less than

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25 cows, the return on investment for in -depth

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analysis might not be worth it. Okay. In those

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cases, it's probably better to focus on just

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a few key traits and choose a bull with a proven

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track record for those traits. And we have to

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acknowledge that the cost of premium semen can

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be a barrier for some. Yeah, it's more expensive.

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The article mentioned a $5 to $15 difference

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per straw. Right. And for producers with tight

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budgets phasing in better genetics, gradually

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might be a good approach. How would they do that?

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Well, they could start by using higher quality

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semen on their best cows or heifers and then

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expand the program as their budget allows. James

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Westfield is a great example of this. Oh, yeah,

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he's a great example. He started with cheap Angus

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semen and saw a small price increase. Right.

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But then he really focused on traits like moderate

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frame and superior muscling and saw a much bigger

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jump in his calf prices. And the best part is

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it only cost him about $8 more per straw. That's

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a great return on investment. It is. It shows

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that even a small increase in semen cost can

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lead to big improvements in calf value if you're

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strategic about it. So it's not all or nothing.

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Right. Producers can start small and gradually

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incorporate better genetics as they learn and

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see the benefits. Exactly. The key is to move

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away from just color -based selection and start

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thinking about the underlying genetics. Even

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if you're just focusing on one or two traits

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at first. Right. Any step in the right direction

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is a good step. Now let's talk about turning

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all this knowledge into profit. The article mentions

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some resources that can help producers make better

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breeding decisions. Yes. There are some great

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resources out there specifically for beef on

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dairy crossbreeding. Like what? Well, the Iowa

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Beef Industry Council has funded a web resource

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library. And you can access it through the Iowa

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Beef Center and the Iowa State University Dairy

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Team websites. So it's easy to find. Yeah. And

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Denise Schwab, she points out that this isn't

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just generic breeding advice. It's tailored specifically

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for the challenges and opportunities of beef

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on dairy crosses. So it's really practical information.

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Exactly. It's based on the latest research and

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designed to help producers make decisions on

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their farms. The article also has a table that

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outlines expert selection criteria for beef on

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dairy sires. Oh, yeah. That's a handy table.

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Can you go over some of those key targets? Sure.

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Well, for calving ease, you want to look for

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sires in the top 30 to 50 percent for their breeds

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EPD for calving ease. OK. And what does EPD stand

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for again? EPD stands for expected progeny difference.

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Right. It's basically an estimate of how a bull's

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calves are expected to perform for a specific

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trait compared to the average for the breed.

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So it's a way to compare bulls. Exactly. Okay,

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back to the selection criteria. Right. So for

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birth weight, you generally want sires in the

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bottom 50 % for their birth weight EPD. To keep

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those calves from getting too big. Right. What

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about the traits for growth and carcass quality?

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Well, for weaning weight and yearling weight

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aiming for sires in the top 40 to 60%. is a good

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balance. Okay. You want good growth, but not

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excessively large animals. Right. For ribeye

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area, which is a measure of muscling, you want

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sires in the top 25%. And for marbling, which

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affects meat quality, aim for the top 20 to 25%.

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Okay. And for back fat. You want a moderate to

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low EPD for back fat to avoid too much fat in

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the carcass. So those are some specific targets

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producers can look for. Yeah. Gives them something

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concrete to aim for. The article also explains

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some other important terms like frame score,

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rib eye area, marbling score, yield grade, dressing

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percentage, and dystocia. Right. It's like a

00:23:25.990 --> 00:23:27.730
whole new language. But it's a language that

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can help you make more money. Exactly. Understanding

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these terms is crucial for making informed breeding

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decisions. Now, as we've discussed, this isn't

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just a U .S. trend. There's global support for

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well -bred beef on dairy crosses. Yeah, the auction

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data from Italy is a good example. What did they

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find? They found that beef on dairy calves were

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selling for 50 % to 200 % more per kilogram than

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pure dairy calves. Wow. It shows that there's

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strong international demand for these crosses.

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And countries like New Zealand and Australia

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are integrating beef breeding into their herd

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improvement strategies. Yeah, they're using genomic

00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:07.480
selection to make those decisions. It's pretty

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advanced. It is. And it shows that they see long

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-term value in this approach. The auction data

00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.740
from Canada also supports this. Right. Beef on

00:24:15.740 --> 00:24:17.859
dairy bull calves in Canada are consistently

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selling for a premium. How much? Anywhere from

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$30 to $140 Canadian, more than pure dairy bull

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calves. That's a big difference. It is. And that

00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.990
2023 PMC review we talked about. Yeah. They summed

00:24:29.990 --> 00:24:32.029
it up nicely by saying that meat from well -bred

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beef on dairy crosses is definitely marketable

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as beef. Okay. And while the quantity might be

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slightly less than some beef breeds, the quality

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is significantly higher than from pure dairy

00:24:42.690 --> 00:24:45.069
animals. So it's a win -win? Yeah, you get a

00:24:45.069 --> 00:24:47.329
good product that's in demand. Now, the article

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did address some concerns that producers might

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have about this more strategic approach to breeding.

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Yeah, there are always concerns when you're trying

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something new. What are some of the common ones?

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Well, one concern is that it's too complicated.

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Yeah, all the EPDs and indexes can seem daunting.

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They can, but the potential benefits are worth

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it. And as we said, you can start simple and

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gradually learn more. Right. You don't have to

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become a genetics expert overnight. Exactly.

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And there are AI companies that offer pre -selected

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beef on dairy packages to make it easier. That's

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helpful. Another concern is the cost of premium

00:25:23.019 --> 00:25:25.920
semen. Yeah, it's a valid concern. It is, but

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you have to look at the return on investment.

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That more expensive straw of semen could lead

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to a much higher price for the calf. Right. It's

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about long -term profit, not just short -term

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savings. Exactly. And then there are producers

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who think their current program is fine. Yeah,

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they're getting black calves at a decent price.

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But as you said, the market is changing. It is.

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Buyers are becoming more discerning. And that

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price difference between generic black calves

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and those high -performing crosses is likely

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to widen. So just breeding for black might not

00:25:53.470 --> 00:25:55.630
be a good strategy for much longer. Right. The

00:25:55.630 --> 00:25:58.069
market is evolving and you have to keep up. So

00:25:58.069 --> 00:26:00.589
it comes down to a choice. Do you stick with

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the status quo and risk losing out? Yeah. Or

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do you embrace a more strategic approach and

00:26:05.809 --> 00:26:08.069
position yourself for long -term success? That's

00:26:08.069 --> 00:26:10.039
the question every producer has to answer. The

00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:13.839
shift we saw from 2017 to 2022 with beef on dairy

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crosses replacing 70 % of Holstein steers. Yeah.

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That was a huge market transformation. It was.

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This isn't a niche market anymore. Right. It's

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a major part of the beef supply chain. And those

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well -bred crosses offer significant advantages.

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Faster growth, shorter feeding, times better

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carcass, yield higher quality grades. All of

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that contributes to a more profitable animal.

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Absolutely. But we do have to remember that those

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premiums can vary. Yeah. And they're always subject

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to market fluctuation. Right. So producers need

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to stay informed about their local conditions.

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So the question for you, the listener, is this.

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Are you breeding problem calves? Yeah. Or are

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you breeding premium crossbreds? Right. Which

00:26:55.230 --> 00:26:56.970
one do you want to be known for? Your next breeding

00:26:56.970 --> 00:26:59.769
decision is crucial. It is. It could make or

00:26:59.769 --> 00:27:02.049
break your profitability. The semen catalog is

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open, folks. Choose wisely. Okay, let's recap

00:27:05.230 --> 00:27:07.630
the key takeaways from our deep dive into beef

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on dairy breeding. Okay. First, genetic selection

00:27:10.609 --> 00:27:14.009
matters. Quality beef crosses have the potential

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for better growth efficiency and carcass quality.

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It's been proven time and time again. Second,

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target specific traits when selecting sires.

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Yeah. Aim for the top percentages for ribeye

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area marbling and maintain a moderate frame score.

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Those are the traits that will pay off. Third,

00:27:31.380 --> 00:27:33.819
don't forget about animal health. Right. Respiratory

00:27:33.819 --> 00:27:36.259
disease is a major threat, so make sure those

00:27:36.259 --> 00:27:38.539
calves get good colostrum and proper vaccinations.

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Gotta give them a good start. Fourth, the economics

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are clear. Investing in premium genetics can

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lead to a much higher return. Yeah, that extra

00:27:46.619 --> 00:27:50.880
$10 to $15 per straw. could turn into $35 to

00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.259
$75 or more per calf. That's a no -brainer. It's

00:27:54.259 --> 00:27:56.140
an investment worth considering. And finally,

00:27:56.140 --> 00:27:58.619
the market is constantly evolving. Right. Those

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low -quality crosses are becoming more common.

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Yeah. And that means the premium for just any

00:28:04.700 --> 00:28:07.299
black calf is likely to shrink. So you've got

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to stay ahead of the curve, focus on genetic

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merit. So here's a final thought for you. What's

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one change you can make in your breeding strategy

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right now? to move beyond that black hide blindness

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and really secure your future in this market.

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It's time to take action. Take some time. Explore

00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:27.559
the resources at the Iowa Beef Center. There's

00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:29.160
a wealth of information out there to help you

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make the best decisions. Thanks for joining us

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for this deep dive, folks. It's been a pleasure.

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We'll see. That brings us to the end of today's

00:28:35.619 --> 00:28:38.259
episode on black hide blindness. Let's quickly

00:28:38.259 --> 00:28:41.619
recap what we've learned. First, the market is

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evolving. As more poor -quality crosses flood

00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.160
feedlots, buyers are becoming increasingly sophisticated,

00:28:47.500 --> 00:28:50.019
and the price spread between generic black calves

00:28:50.019 --> 00:28:53.299
and premium crosses will only widen. Second,

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the numbers don't lie. Quality beef crossbreds

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achieve 8 -25 % better daily gain, need 5 -26

00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:04.380
fewer days on feed, and grade 15 -25 % higher

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than generic black crosses. That $10 -15 premium

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per straw can return $35 to $75 per animal in

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improved market value. Finally, remember that

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your breeding decisions today determine your

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profitability tomorrow. Ask yourself, are you

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producing the next generation of problem calves

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that nobody wants, or are you creating crossbreds

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that will command premiums for years to come?

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If you found this information valuable, visit

00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:35.019
thebullvine .com for our full article with detailed

00:29:35.019 --> 00:29:38.529
selection criteria and performance data. You

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can also find links to our recommended resources

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for beef on dairy breeding in the show notes.

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Thanks for listening to the Bullvine Podcast,

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where we're not afraid to challenge conventional

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wisdom when your bottom line is at stake. Until

00:29:52.589 --> 00:29:55.690
next time, choose your genetics wisely. Your

00:29:55.690 --> 00:29:57.809
future profitability depends on it.
