All right, hello and welcome to "Hangin' Out with
Bob," a podcast hosted by me, Bob Edholm. Thanks
for joining and let's get started. "Hangin' Out
with Bob" is a podcast where guests tell us their
stories, where they grew up, what they're doing
now, which shows they stream, which books they
read, which teams they cheer for, and yada, yada,
yada. And the more laughs we can have telling
stories and hanging out together, the better.
That said, let me introduce my two guests today.
Maybe I should call this episode "All in the Family,"
because these two guys just happen to be my brothers,
Dave Edholm and Tom Edholm. Same last name,
same parents. And all three of us are Boomers.
Boomers with Millennials for kids and Generation
Alphas for grandkids. Thanks for being here,
guys. Appreciate it. Can't think of a better
way to begin my broadcast than with my two brothers
as guests. So for the next few minutes, we're
just going to be telling each other a little
bit about ourselves. I'll go first, and I promise
none of us will go for more than two minutes.
So let us know if we're getting long in the tooth.
Again, my name is Bob Edholm. I'm a Boomer.
Like I said, I turned 71 in April. Whoa. I live
in Columbia Heights, Minnesota, which is also
where my brothers and I grew up, I was born
in Minneapolis, but then when we were nine years
old, we moved up to Columbia Heights, and that's
where I ended up going to school and you know
went to a Highland Elementary and then Columbia
Junior High School and then Columbia Heights
Senior High School and then afterward we went
to college, went to Anoka-Ramsey for a couple
years, and then we also went to the University
of Minnesota where I graduated with a degree
in journalism. I worked on a newspaper for three
years after college and then I came back to the
Twin Cities and got a job in communications and
public relations for about 16 years and then
stayed in insurance at that company as Prudential
for 24 years total. I started over a few times
in different jobs and then I got a job with the
Voya Financial Insurance Company. I was there
for almost 10 years and I was there till just
this past April. My job was eliminated. So right
now, I'm just getting into the podcast thing
that was recommended by a few people to try that.
And if I can find work as a proofreader, I'll
do that as well. But I'm enjoying retirement,
so to speak, and doing a lot of reading and streaming
and spending time with my daughter and son -in
-law and granddaughter and my brothers. Okay,
Dave, you can go next. And we've got a quick
joke for you. What do you call a monk with a
podcast? An "air friar." Thank you very much. Go
ahead, Dave. And with that, anyway, so I'm Dave.
Yeah, Bob and Tom are my brothers from the Heights,
from northeast Minneapolis. Actually, that's
where I lived my first seven years. Yeah, fond
memories of growing up when I did. Obviously
I'm a boomer as well. I taught for 42 years.
Have a family, have lots of kids. Still very
busy with them. Still actually sub -teaching
on occasion and currently just staying real busy
with like remodeled stuff and so forth. Yeah,
what you've been working on this year? Just...
Kind of, I'm doing a bathroom, doing a whole
bunch of landscaping. So, but obviously I don't
recover like I used to, so the projects are taking
considerably longer. But yeah, looking forward
to doing this and talking about some of the old
days growing up in Heights. Good for now? Okay,
good. And Tom, here's another bad joke. Why don't
boomers like to use AC or DC? They hate anything that
is current. Wrong one. Okay. All right, and Tom,
you take it away. You get you get two minutes,
two-minute warning with no timeouts. Well, I'm
Tom, and I'm the younger and better-looking of
the three brothers. But yeah, same background,
same schools and everything. As my brothers mentioned
before, I grew up in the Heights until I was
about 22 or 24, actually. And then I moved out
to the northwest subarbs and have been there ever since.
I spent 38 years in the heating and air conditioning
business. This is a contract versus a contractor
the last 15 years as on the sales side, distribution
sales after I got too beat up to do the work
anymore. I have, as Bob mentioned, I have some
kids in their 30s and a bunch of grandkids and...
Just still do a lot of work around the house
and we do a lot more traveling now. Love Florida
and we've been all over the place the last few
years so we enjoy doing that and look forward
to doing more. I still have a few years left
before I retire. But we're empty nesters now.
We've always had dogs and we... we started taking
in rescue dogs a few years ago. So we're we enjoy
that. That's the challenge, obviously, but but
yeah, have a good time with that. And yeah, looking
forward to looking forward to talking about the
old hood. We just drove through it on the way
here, actually. So just to clarify time, did
you indicate which suburb you're in? No, I didn't.
Okay. I'm in the northwest suburb. No, I'm up
in the Anoka area. Okay. Okay. And then Dave's
also in there. Andover and Ramsey. Okay, again,
the name of this podcast is "Hangin' Out with
Bob." I'm your host, Bob Edholm. And my two guests
are my brothers, Dave and Tom Edholm. And now
that you've heard a little bit about us, the
three of us, we're all going to talk a little
bit about the house where we grew up in in Columbia
Heights. It was on a street called Chatham Road.
Just arbitrarily, Tom, I'm gonna ask you first.
Just kind of tell us about the house as you remember
it, on Chatham. Well, a lot of fine memories
of that place. It was a small house, but I, you
know, I... still marvel at the fact that the
three of us shared a bedroom that was about eight
by 10. It was just a your typical late 50s rambler
track home detached garage. Yep. We had an unfinished
basement for years and years. And like I said,
it's flooded every time it rains. So there wasn't
much we could do with that. But yeah, it was
it was small. One thing I do miss about it is
the house I have now, I mow about an acre and
that lawn I could mow in about three and a half
minutes. You know, it's just a postage stamp
compared to what I've had my whole adult life.
But no, it was awesome. The only thing that was
funnier than the three of us sharing that bedroom
was the fact that we'd all eat around all five
of us a kitchen table and even a smaller area.
Yeah, it was it was crazy. You know, different
times now. And it was nice having a neighbor
literally eight feet from you on each side. You
know, you hear their arguments and stuff. Yeah,
a lot of fun memories in that house, obviously.
Spent most of my life there, right? For 20 years
of my life, I stayed in that house. Right, you
never did live in Minneapolis. Dave and I, we
were northeast to when we were little boys. I
was nine and Dave was seven when we moved up
the Heights. Yeah, you did everything in the
Heights. You even got married in the Heights.
Yeah, well, my wife's from the Heights, so. Okay,
go ahead, Dave. One thing I remember about that
house, you know, I was just talking to some people
from Heights who I golfed with this last week,
but I thought this was always pretty funny. None
of us had air conditioning. And at least I think
my parents may have gotten air conditioning when
I was like 20. And when I would go over there,
I thought it just felt great. So we were talking
about the fact that if there was a heat wave,
what would end up happening usually is that you
wouldn't sleep for like three nights, even as
a kid. And you'd be like just super exhausted.
You'd wake up and just sweat like a pig. And
so you'd go about three or four nights without
sleeping but then about the fifth night you'd
be so exhausted and kind of used to it that you'd
actually fall asleep but by that time the heat
wave had actually broken so it started to get
cooler again. The other thing that I'll never
forget about that house is that we lived on Chatham
and there was a time when there wasn't a stop
sign on Chatham. They put a stop sign on Golf
Place in Chatham which is I want to say probably
about a couple hundred yards, maybe an eighth
of a mile from Fairway Drive. And what would
happen, because you'd have to have the windows
open in the summertime, what would always happen
is that guys who were older than us who had hot
rods would take a right on Fairway and they would
literally drag race. Going on Chatham Road and
I mean you absolutely could hear it It was impossible
not to because all the windows in the house were
open but and then eventually they ended up putting
the stops on I think that that Helped it cut
yet it cut down considerably on the number of
drag races But I can't imagine what would have
happened to those cars when they would have been
going up that hill after Golf Place, because
there was a slight incline, it wouldn't surprise
me if some of those cars probably got air, because
they would really wind it up. I'll share a couple
things about the house, too. Actually, this is
before you were born, Tom, just before you were
born, but that house did not have a garage. It
had a gravel driveway, and it was just a three
-bedroom rambler. I remember I think it was painted
green with, you know, white trim. Shakes. Yeah,
shakes. Yeah, shakes. Yeah. And yeah, obviously
no air conditioning until I was like 21 or so
before I put that in the base in the house, which
was great. But I can remember. Do you remember
we had no fences? You were talking about the
no fence. Right, and we could burn trash. Yes.
And I can remember, I remember one time, I don't
know if it happened more than once, but I remember
one time where, you know, I can remember dad
telling us never to put aerosol cans in the,
you know, like a right guard deodorant, spray
deodorant. I remember I accidentally emptied
out the trash and put it in, it was burning.
And I go, dad, I think, uh, There's an aerosol
can in there. He took that really well. And he
says, get away from that trash burner. And we
were by the house. And about 10 minutes after
the fire was going on, I was sitting here to
boom. And then it did pop. It wasn't going to
tear. Did we throw a cherry bomb in there? No,
I think that there were some people behind us
that had cherry bombs. And we thought it'd be
kind of cool to see what would happen. And I
think we put the lid on after we threw the cherry.
bomb in and it soon ignited and I don't know
if it blew the lid off but it was it was created
quite a ruckus. Oh, that's funny. But I remember
that house and I remember it was, it was, it
was, Chatham Road was a busy street in our neighborhood
or in Columbia Heights because a lot of times
kids that would drive to high school would go
up Chatham Road. It was kind of a main drag.
I got a lot of traffic, so a lot of people would
end up going by our house that we knew from school
or whatever. Well, it was a shortcut for people
to get to Apache, too. Oh, yeah. Apache Plaza
was a shopping mall not far from my house. It
was very, very popular. Exactly. And Silver Lake.
Okay, well, I'm going to go on to the next topic
now guys. We talked about the house we grew up
in, but let's just leave the house in the yard
for a little bit and just talk about our neighborhood
where we actually live, that part of Columbia
Heights. I was going to start with the fact that
our whole neighborhood there, you know, for blocks
and blocks, was once a golf course. It was called
Hilltop Golf Course. It was gone before any of
us were born. I think it was there till about
the mid -40s. But it was an 18 -hole golf course,
and it had 18 holes. And I've shared with my
brothers just some maps of the course, hand -drawn
maps. It kind of shows how the course is laid
out. And it went as far west as almost like where
the high school was, and up to kind of the neighborhood
known as Innsbruck, all the way to Stinson Boulevard,
where the seminary. was in it so it took up a
lot of area and I've often wondered but what
how cool that would have been if you could somehow
walk those 18 holes right you know I've heard
it said that our house we were kind of at the
bottom of Chatham Road or level part that was
like a green to a hole or something you know
the first hole it was it was it was close to
the clubhouse but that was it was a It was right
down the fairway or a hole where we were. So,
do you guys have any other? Well, speaking of
the clubhouse, the clubhouse was actually on
45th. Yes. In Chatham. Yes, still there. And
several families that we knew, at least a couple
of families that we knew fairly well, because
the Philippi's lived there for a time. Yep.
And the Lahti's lived there for quite a while
as well. So, that was actually the old clubhouse,
right? It would be the... northeast corner of
45th and Chatham. I don't believe our dad ever
played that course either because I know he played
like Columbia and Gross I think when he was growing
up but I would have just loved to talk to somebody
that I remember. Doug Latawiec told us his dad,
Chet, who was a golfer really enjoyed golfing.
I think he caddied or played that course. Fore!
Well, anything you have to remember, like that
course has been gone for like eighty years. Yeah.
I mean, so anybody that had played it would be,
you know, a hundred or more now, so there's no...
There was a developer who developed all the land.
Wasn't his name Jessup? He was the guy that built
our house. Yeah, there was about 10 or 11 houses
on our street. I think he built, well, the floor
plan, I think, was the same for half the houses
on the block. Well, all the ramblers had essentially
the same layout. There were a couple of one and
a half stories, weren't there? Yeah, and those
were built earlier. Grant's house was, I think,
one of them. Yeah, right. Ours was, I think,
the first one, or at least at that end. And then
the second or third house from the corner also
had that same, they all had that same look to
it. Yeah, they were identical. But let's talk
about some other memories that you guys can think
of. I mean, there was that park. Yeah. It was
a huge part of growing up there. That's where
everybody hung out. It was a great place to take
your bike and jumps and wipe out. And you didn't
have far to go home crying after that. But remember
the baseball games down there? Sandlot baseball?
It's disappeared. It doesn't exist anymore. I
don't see anybody using it. There was no hockey
rink, but in the winter you get the skaters.
It would be packed. Do you guys remember that
it would be east of Hilltop Park? So that would
be Upland Crest. But one of the families, it
was a very steep hill. I mean, really steep and
they had they tried to grow lawns on that hill,
but there was a I remember one time we were up
there playing baseball and there was a guy who
had his lawnmower on a rope. And he was like
he was gently letting the lawnmower down down
down the rope and then he pull it back up. But.
Anyway, yeah, just to give you some indication,
the other thing that I remember is that there
was a path where there wasn't, there weren't
any homes, and that path ran from up on that
little hill on Chatham all the way up to the
water tower. That was obviously some kind of
a water main. Well they had pipes, there were
these giant pipes. They had these gigantic pipes,
and that was the place where I swear that...
John Ellison probably saved my life there because
we'd get these pipes that weighed like several
tons and because it was hilly you could you could
push them down a hill and I thought it was I
thought it would be kind of fun to just kind
of jump jump on the pipe as it was rolling and
luckily he grabbed me by the belt because I think
if I would have gone over that pipe I just would
have been crushed but anyway but yeah and then
over where Roddy's lived that was an opening
there, but that went all the way to the water
tower, which was the coolest water tower ever,
because you could bang rocks off of it. The old
one. It almost sounded like bullets. It did,
yes. The rock would hit it. And you knew you
could really throw it. throw a ball far if you
could throw a rock on top of that water tower.
I couldn't tell you what year I could finally
do that, but that was always the goal. Do you
remember that hill, speaking of that hill? I
can remember for a couple of winters, at least
when the skating rink was open, they turned it
into kind of almost like a ski track. They got
the snow to harden and guys would go up on their
skates up that hill and then to ski down the
hill on their skates. And I remember one time
our Uncle Joe did that. I don't remember that.
He came skating with us up at the rink. Yeah.
And then he went over with all the teenagers
and they were going down the hill. You know,
if I did, I'd always wipe out or something. because
it was one of those things where it was kind
of a daredevil thing. Yes, yeah. The other thing
that you can't forget about that skating rink
is that first of all, the bullies. I mean, there
were bullies like everywhere and it was absolutely
commonplace to just get your head just stuffed
into a snowbank for no apparent reason at all,
but you just kind of shook it off and that's
just kind of what you did. And the other thing
too is that there were a lot of kids that were
smoking when they were about eight. Oh yeah.
If you weren't playing pull away, you were smoking
until Clayton came out and chewed you away. And
then while he was out shooting you away, you
go and steal candy out of his little office there.
I can still smell that. Tom Moore soda. Yeah, they
had the old pop machines. And then it was before
our time, even before we even moved up there.
But I remember mom telling us that our grandpa
was one of those warming house guys. Right. He
was yelling at the kids all the time. But this
was like in the 50s or, you know. and there was
some dude named Ambrose who had a very strong
either northeast or Polish accent and he kept
he'd always tell people to close the door closed
the door yeah because if he kept it open he was
he had a chair right by that door and it's freezing
out you know it's like close zero and he'd be
wondering about that so yeah good memories oh
and one last place i'm going to bring up and
and Tom he probably spent that time there too
because it was still open was the area we called
the "Tabletop" right across the street from over
the water tower It was great for toboggans. It
was great. And then in the summertime, it was
taken over by motorcycles. I mean, there were
just guys that were going up that hill because
it was laid out perfectly. It was very steep.
It's like a plateau on top that you could take
these steep hills up and it got a lot of use.
So the "Tabletop," I just remember calling it.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Good memories. Okay. Again,
the name of this podcast is "Hangin' Out with
Bob." I'm your host, Bob Edholm. And I'm with
my two guests and my brothers, Dave and Tom Edholm
And the last topic I want to bring up,
um, I think it's be kind of fun. Well, we're
all Boomers. Um, Dave and I are pretty close
in age. I'm 71 and Dave will be 70 in November.
Whoa. Uh, but Tom was, he's a, he's a younger,
he's a BABY Baby Boomer. He was born in 62.
Whoa. So there's nine and a half years between
him and I. So we might have different favorite
memories of growing up, or favorite things, I
guess. What I wanted to ask, and we don't have
to go in order, we can just bring up stuff like
favorite places to hang out, favorite teams,
favorite bands, favorite TV shows, radio stations,
the kinds of things that we remember while we
were growing up. I think you might have mentioned
already, Dave, or Tom did, Apache Plaza was a
real popular place for kids. It was in an area
where you had kids from Heights, Northeast Minneapolis,
St. Anthony, New Brighton, so you'd see a lot
of kids there on weekends. It was a good place
to go and see people and you could just, you
know, walk around and try to stay out of trouble,
I guess. It was always fun to have special events
there like trailers, you know, you could hitch
your cars and people would go in there and sit
down inside those trailers and people would kick
you out until you get lost and have special events.
But that's one place I thought of, Apache was
a great place. There weren't places in Heights
that I remember specifically hanging out until
I got older. Like, McDonald's was fun, but I
didn't really drive until I was in high school.
So it's not, you just, I needed to walk there
and hang out, but. And Chatham Road, cause we
ended up going to Columbia. It seemed like, I
don't know, you know, we lived a long distance
from any place on, like, Central, you know, which
was obviously. I think a lot of kids hung out
at places on Central, but we were a long distance
from there. Apache was probably even closer.
Yep. Yeah, Apache and Silver Lake Beach, obviously,
was, at least when I was growing up, was real
popular. I think the beach got more, you know,
the beach wasn't always open when we were kids.
I don't think it became a beach till I was like
about a freshman in high school in 1968 or something.
It wasn't, but once the public beach was there, then
it got pretty popular. How about, what do you
remember for TV shows. What were the shows you
remember growing up looking forward to? Because
we didn't have cable. We couldn't stream shows.
We had to watch them when they were on or we
didn't see them. What were things that must see?
What popped into my mind immediately was at lunch.
"Lunch with Casey" and then "Felix the Cat." That
was playing when we lived on Chatham. Wasn't
there a "Hercules" cartoon? I think there was.
"Davey and Goliath." What were some of the cartoons,
Tom? "Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids." That was
a little later. I mean, I obviously remember
"Looney Tunes," obviously it was very popular.
What I remember, I was pretty young. I don't
even know if I was in school yet, but the "Mel
Jass Matinee." Oh, sure, after Casey. After Casey
Jones. I think it was always on. with the folks,
but I also remember seeing "Star Trek" when I first
came into syndication. It was on every day at
five o 'clock. I watched that before dinner.
Yes, I do remember that. 68-ish or something.
something like that. And still watch that occasionally.
Today you know yeah it's uh it's still all over
the place which is we watch it every night when
you think about it you know yeah um and then
the variety shows "Smothers Brothers" and "Sonny
and Cher" and stuff like that laughter remember
laughing all the bands all the bands would come
on it's all of it the beat is that's how i got
into music yeah "Batman" was huge because
every, you know, there weren't choices. So every,
I swear every kid in your class watched "Batman."
So you all had a point of reference. You'd all
discuss the latest "Batman" episode. Sure. And
also growing up, one of my, one of the things
I remember most would be going to sleep and the
old man was always up late, you know, and you
know, you'd just be dozing off and tonight you
would start. Yes. Yep, our dad was a bit of an
insomniac. He didn't sleep much, but yeah, that
was also obviously big back in the day. I remember
watching "I Spy" with him too. That was like a
late night drama or whatever. I remember watching
that with dad. The one TV memory that I have
of that house is very real to me. I was absent
the day that John F. Kennedy got shot. Oh, I
didn't know that. I was literally watching. Because
I was laying on the couch I was watching as the
world turns with mom when Walter Cronkite actually
broke in and that was yeah, that's I mean that's
always I remember that day just vividly and then
we watched TV for like four days. Yeah, Tom your
birthday was just a couple days before that.
I remember seeing Bobby Kennedy's stuff on TV.
I was actually in school at Highland. We got
sent home. I remember they played the Each room
had a speaker above the teacher's desk and they
just put in like CCO radio or CBS News. And I
remember the look on my teacher's face when they
talked about Kennedy being assassinated. It was
something, it was something. Definitely. This
might depend on our age difference too, but what
was your favorite radio station, Tom, when you
were listening? Oh boy, probably KDWB back in
the day. We didn't have FM early at all. What
was KQ? like when you were a teenager? I remember
listening to it occasionally, but not as much
as, you know, KDWB. That and WDGY,
I think, was a rock star back then, too. KQ
was KQRS. don't remember that but um and
then KSTP had some Top 40 for a while and right
there were three or four I think top 40s days
and it was all am yes i mean fm was slowly coming
into but you know car radios only had yeah so
that's one thing i remember too growing up a
lot was the on as far as radio goes was uh Dad
always had the Twins. Oh, sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No TV. Well, they would. They did televise
more games. But yeah, I remember the radio. WCCO
had virtually every team that we would follow.
The Gophers. Yes. Football and basketball. I
don't know if hockey was on WCCO. I don't remember
that. Right. But football and basketball for
sure. And the Twins and the Vikings and. Yep.
Yep. Stars. We didn't have NBA growing up. It
didn't come till much later. Well, but I do remember
watching the Lakers and the Celtics a lot. ABC
would show Sunday games. That was different back
then. And then Tommy, well, Tommy would remember,
we didn't even have a color TV until like the
maybe 72 or 73. That's how we got by. And our
TVs didn't have remotes. Boomers can remember
this, but I can remember, you know, you have
to get up and turn and click it to a certain
channel and hit, you had to worry about antennas.
You know, your reception wasn't always good.
The picture would suck and you just. We had not
an uncle, Aunt Barbara and Uncle Dan had color
TV. Yeah. And I remember it was I remember watching
a hockey game and I thought it was really cool
to see this. But as I recall, it was like everything
was kind of washed out. The color wasn't real.
It wasn't high def. It wasn't exactly high def,
but it was still. You didn't know any better.
It was still really, really cool to see. Well,
that was dad's rationale. He said that they still
haven't really perfected the color to the tube
yet, so I'm not going to spend money on it. Yeah.
That was his story. He stuck to it until the
early 70s. So, yep. But yeah, it was. Bob, I
remember you would sneak. Did you have a transistor
radio? Oh, sure sneak that into the bedroom and
I remember hearing "Mr. Tambourine Man" by the
Byrds. Yeah thinking that was the coolest thing
ever I was probably in about fourth grade fifth
grade or something. So we're about the size of
a cell phone now, maybe a little thicker. Yeah,
but about same dimensions and you had to have
batteries in their batteries and it was strictly
AM no FM stations You could hear your Top
40 stuff. So right Uh, yes. Well, the transistor
radio is, um, you know, I had that paper route
for years, you know, so it was about 10, but,
um, you know, Star Tribune bags, they would have
a pouch in the front for your collection. Yes,
collect. It was the perfect size for, I collect
210 or whatever it was, you know, for a month
of paper. But, um, it was perfect size for a
transistor radio. So when I go do my paper audit
four in the morning, you know, I'd have it. In
fact, I had that radio going and left on my paper
out at, I don't know what it was, five in the
morning or something like that and turned it
on and that was the break of news was that Elvis
died. Oh, wow. I remember. Wow. It's just weird.
So that would have been 77. So that was towards
the end of my career. I was like 14 then, so
I was getting ready to wash dishes somewhere
or something. So that was the end of my paper
on career. I'll never forget that. And that same
radio, a few years later, still listening to
that stinkin' transistor radio was when Lenin
got shot. While I was 80. I think I graduated
to a better radio after that. vividly remember
those two stories coming over. That's interesting.
I just thinking about that. Do you think anybody
still has a transistor radio from that era? You
know, if you're a collector, maybe you do. You
probably find one on eBay. And two, would they
even work? Yeah. I mean, you can put a battery
in it, but I would think they would. Those parts
would still work. Sure. Car radio still work.
As before. Yeah. Long before digital, so. Yes.
Oh, crazy, crazy. Okay, again, the name of this
podcast is "Hangin' Out with Bob." I'm your host,
Bob Edholm, and my two guests are my brothers,
Dave and Tom Edholm. This is fun, guys. It's
fun to reminisce. It's always fun to do this.
And I thought, you know, if I'm going to start
doing podcasts, I couldn't think of two other
guys I'd rather have with me the first time.
So I appreciate your being with me today. So
thanks for coming by. It's fun. Again, the name
of this podcast is "Hangin' Out with Bob." I think
everybody has a story to tell. And I believe
most people like to tell stories and talk about
the things that they like to do and the things
that interest them. And when you ask people the
right questions, you're going to learn a lot
of things about them. So I've got a lot of people
in mind that I like to have on my podcast as
future guests. So people that family, friends.
people that I grew up with, people I worked with,
people I've drunk beer with. It'd be fun just
to connect with some of those people. And I think
they're already aware that I'm going to be getting
in touch with them. But again, to listeners out
there, thank you for hanging with us. I'm Bob
Edholm. And thanks for listening. And we hope
to have you back for the next episode we have.
Take care.