WEBVTT 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.880 Welcome to botches off -road and today we are 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:13.619 gonna do a little cool It's not necessarily a 00:00:13.619 --> 00:00:15.900 prompt topic, but it's gonna be worst over landing 00:00:16.690 --> 00:00:18.850 creepiest overlanding experiences, and we're 00:00:18.850 --> 00:00:22.190 going to pull these from places that we've been 00:00:22.190 --> 00:00:25.390 reading them from, like Reddit or other blogs 00:00:25.390 --> 00:00:27.649 and forums. And we're going to talk about them 00:00:27.649 --> 00:00:29.210 a little bit. We're going to read this story. 00:00:29.429 --> 00:00:32.369 We're going to talk about them and kind of go 00:00:32.369 --> 00:00:35.750 from there and see what we think. It's just me 00:00:35.750 --> 00:00:39.350 and Alex today. Alex is still busy, so we're 00:00:39.350 --> 00:00:43.450 going to do it ourselves. We spent like... Just 00:00:43.450 --> 00:00:45.250 30 minutes or something. You mean Mark and me? 00:00:45.770 --> 00:00:48.789 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said Alex. 00:00:49.450 --> 00:00:55.090 Damn, my bad. Alex is out of here. Mark is here. 00:00:55.450 --> 00:00:59.329 Mark's cooler anyway. So yeah, so me and Mark 00:00:59.329 --> 00:01:02.609 are going to talk about this. And we're going 00:01:02.609 --> 00:01:05.109 to see what we think. I'm going to read some 00:01:05.109 --> 00:01:08.370 stories I found he's never heard. And then he's 00:01:08.370 --> 00:01:12.140 going to post some to me. And we'll see if we 00:01:12.140 --> 00:01:15.959 can just see some really cool stuff or some really 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:20.159 crazy shit. Maybe we'll talk about what we could 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.000 do to avoid them. And maybe hearing this story 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:25.359 yourself will keep you from making the same thing 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:29.219 happen. Who knows? So I'm going to get started 00:01:29.219 --> 00:01:33.700 with this. And this is on Reddit on our overlanding. 00:01:34.099 --> 00:01:39.750 So. The prompt was worst overlanding experiences. 00:01:41.150 --> 00:01:44.450 The guy prompts and says he's been overlanding 00:01:44.450 --> 00:01:47.519 for three years now. He has been camping ever 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:50.359 since he was a kid and always hears stories about 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.060 people having their best overland experiences 00:01:53.060 --> 00:01:57.060 and all these cool pictures and this and that 00:01:57.060 --> 00:02:00.500 but he never hears anything about the worst overlanding 00:02:00.500 --> 00:02:04.640 experiences so he wants to hear some people bring 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:09.139 those in so I'll give everybody a chance If anybody's 00:02:09.139 --> 00:02:13.139 got any horrible overlanding experiences, whether 00:02:13.139 --> 00:02:18.000 that's creepy, involving weird stuff, or just 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.500 a shitty time that you had that you can kind 00:02:21.500 --> 00:02:23.500 of look back on and go, yeah, that's second rate 00:02:23.500 --> 00:02:26.080 fun, that kind of thing, why don't you give us 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:30.300 a call or send us a message on our... Instagrams 00:02:30.300 --> 00:02:32.580 or anything like that and just let us know tell 00:02:32.580 --> 00:02:35.740 me what you think and We'll get back to this 00:02:35.740 --> 00:02:37.219 and read them because I think maybe we could 00:02:37.219 --> 00:02:41.199 do this a couple times for Just an episode and 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:45.000 if people like it, so We're gonna start off one 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:49.479 guy answers his name super ad Is this nice question 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:53.719 got me thinking I've been traveling south in 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:56.639 East Africa in a Land Cruiser, and off the top 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:59.419 of my head, he goes, I got assaulted and held 00:02:59.419 --> 00:03:02.900 captive by six men in an isolated campsite in 00:03:02.900 --> 00:03:06.759 Zimbabwe. Vehicle was partially ransacked, but 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:10.000 out of a 30 to 50 minutes of this, the men gave 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:12.819 up and depart once my wife starts screaming at 00:03:12.819 --> 00:03:17.919 them and I calling away. He goes, number two, 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:21.620 Dropped the rear end of the chassis in quicksand 00:03:21.620 --> 00:03:24.639 crossing a riverbed in Nambia Thunder storms 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:27.599 were coming soon. There was a tree 45 degrees 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:32.039 off the side at the limit of the winch line got 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.599 out shortly Before the rains came again without 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.120 that single tree or winch I'm sure the brand 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.979 new overlander would have been destroyed Nobody 00:03:41.979 --> 00:03:45.099 within distance to help given the impeding rains 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.639 He said, and this is the same guy by the way, 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:52.900 number three, driving at night in Botswana just 00:03:52.900 --> 00:03:56.180 two months into our journey, one of the top rules 00:03:56.180 --> 00:03:59.000 is never to drive at night, harrowing experience 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.280 with oncoming traffic and broken tar road shoulder 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:06.020 that is unmarked and severely broken, making 00:04:06.020 --> 00:04:10.340 the road surface narrow. A hold on for your lifetime, 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:13.620 he says. one of those kind of hold on for your 00:04:13.620 --> 00:04:18.259 lives. In over 500 plus days driving, I only 00:04:18.259 --> 00:04:21.519 had to drive perhaps five times at night. Runner 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:26.600 -up night drive is the streets of Dar Ees Salaam, 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:31.920 or Salaam, I don't know, Dar Ees Salaam. Absolute 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:36.060 chaos, but at least a slow speed. For wife suffered 00:04:36.060 --> 00:04:39.920 severe eye injury from the wayward end of a bungee 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:44.879 after Immediate medical attention that day We 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:49.000 next went to Kalahari. It's a game reserve and 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:53.300 it's very remote Issues arise from the meds that 00:04:53.300 --> 00:04:56.180 we have and we rush out to the hospital many 00:04:56.180 --> 00:05:00.019 hours away as the wife has a severe ocular pain 00:05:00.019 --> 00:05:06.220 He this guy has been through some shit Number 00:05:06.220 --> 00:05:12.519 four malaria no fun. Thanks Thanksgiving to a 00:05:12.519 --> 00:05:15.660 local family that treated me. Number five, crossing 00:05:15.660 --> 00:05:18.519 borders. I could pick a few examples, but let's 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:21.620 say it's intimidation based and you wonder if 00:05:21.620 --> 00:05:24.519 you actually are able to get through the border 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.579 in the first place. Number seven, another on 00:05:28.579 --> 00:05:30.980 the medical front for me. I was solo at the time. 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.000 big weakness in my body and losing consciousness 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.959 and I can't even make it over to the other campers 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.019 I pass out and come to hours later saying to 00:05:40.019 --> 00:05:44.319 myself well at least I didn't die aside from 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.300 that are all brilliant times and a thousand times 00:05:47.300 --> 00:05:50.860 more than these examples and no regrets in fact 00:05:50.860 --> 00:05:54.079 I'm still here now in South Africa solo and keep 00:05:54.079 --> 00:06:00.420 chugging holy crap that guy that's crazy I mean 00:06:00.540 --> 00:06:04.680 When you think of like what we do and this almost 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.160 makes me want to like remove overlander from 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:12.300 my like Repertoire right like when you hear the 00:06:12.300 --> 00:06:15.620 kind of shit that he's gone through and like 00:06:15.620 --> 00:06:18.839 high stress situations this almost makes you 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:22.540 go like damn am I really even like I'm just kind 00:06:22.540 --> 00:06:26.920 of like Like car landing. I'm not even like Nothing 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:33.709 serious, man. This is crazy We got another one 00:06:33.709 --> 00:06:37.029 that says, I drove my 4Runner from Canada to 00:06:37.029 --> 00:06:40.569 Baja, Mexico. I wanted to check out this remote 00:06:40.569 --> 00:06:44.069 surf town on the Pacific side. At the glance 00:06:44.069 --> 00:06:46.990 on Google, the town has all the amenities a normal 00:06:46.990 --> 00:06:50.689 small town would have, e .g. hotels, restaurants, 00:06:50.889 --> 00:06:53.730 rental stores, et cetera. When I arrived in town, 00:06:53.810 --> 00:06:56.069 it was way less developed than I had envisioned, 00:06:56.790 --> 00:06:59.420 which didn't matter. And I didn't think much 00:06:59.420 --> 00:07:02.740 of it. I saw a rickety wooden gasoline sign just 00:07:02.740 --> 00:07:07.839 before town. And where is it? Okay, there it 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.439 is. Sorry, I lost my place. And headed to my 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:14.000 campsite. Camp was awesome. It was a cliff on 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.399 the edge of the ocean. The next morning I wanted 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:18.620 to leave and needed gas. Only about a quarter 00:07:18.620 --> 00:07:20.779 tank left and headed back to the gas sign and 00:07:20.779 --> 00:07:24.769 there was no gas station anywhere in town. I 00:07:24.769 --> 00:07:26.870 drove around for 45 minutes looking for someone 00:07:26.870 --> 00:07:29.230 who spoke some English. It turns out that the 00:07:29.230 --> 00:07:32.629 gas station is a local who sells gas when he 00:07:32.629 --> 00:07:36.029 feels like it. From barrels in a little brick 00:07:36.029 --> 00:07:39.509 building beside a liquor store, the quote unquote 00:07:39.509 --> 00:07:43.610 gas station has zero signage of any kind. Once 00:07:43.610 --> 00:07:45.930 I found the gas station, I spoke with the owner. 00:07:46.509 --> 00:07:52.800 He initially said it would cost $1400. $1 ,400 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:57.540 to fill my truck. He was a bit older and there 00:07:57.540 --> 00:08:00.500 was a language barrier, mathematical errors, 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:05.579 but we agreed on the $140 for 70 liters. That's 00:08:05.579 --> 00:08:07.879 the going rate for gas down there and it worked 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.839 out in the end. Being in a town with no conventional 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.740 gas station is a crazy experience and I've never 00:08:15.740 --> 00:08:20.050 had before and it was not a good feeling. Yeah, 00:08:20.649 --> 00:08:22.730 you could say anything you want about the language 00:08:22.730 --> 00:08:25.990 barrier. That guy knew she or he was desperate 00:08:25.990 --> 00:08:30.389 and was hoping to get $1 ,400 out of that. I 00:08:30.389 --> 00:08:33.029 mean, that would have made him rich. That's a 00:08:33.029 --> 00:08:45.820 good day for him. All right. Let's see. I got 00:08:45.820 --> 00:08:48.039 one that says, I live in Houston, so any real 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:49.940 overlanding destination takes at least eight 00:08:49.940 --> 00:08:54.279 hours to get to. Big Bend, Palo Duro Canyon, 00:08:54.860 --> 00:08:57.620 we've been to Colorado, Arizona, et cetera. But 00:08:57.620 --> 00:08:59.460 one time I wanted to just get away from a night. 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.759 I packed up, planned very little and thought, 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:06.340 a beach trip sounds nice. Went down to Galveston, 00:09:06.539 --> 00:09:10.860 Bolivier. peninsula. No beach parking. Went up 00:09:10.860 --> 00:09:13.379 to the coast to High Island. Druggies and homeless 00:09:13.379 --> 00:09:16.120 people were eyeing me in my truck. Definitely 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.460 not getting any shut -eye with them around. Then 00:09:18.460 --> 00:09:20.840 decided to just go a bit further east on the 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.899 beach to Sea Rim State Park near Port Arthur. 00:09:24.779 --> 00:09:28.200 Had to drive through a chemical plant to get 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.539 there. The air was orange and you could hear 00:09:31.539 --> 00:09:33.899 the refineries and see the glow of tanker ships 00:09:33.899 --> 00:09:39.149 coming in. Let's see. Yeah, I packed my shit 00:09:39.149 --> 00:09:43.649 and drove two hours back home that sucked Yeah, 00:09:43.649 --> 00:09:46.690 you know I think and I talked about this with 00:09:46.690 --> 00:09:49.970 Benji when we did the podcast which will probably 00:09:49.970 --> 00:09:53.809 be already out But I talked about this in Michigan. 00:09:53.809 --> 00:09:57.470 We have a thing that is basically I guess it's 00:09:57.470 --> 00:09:59.610 not a saying but for campers and travelers in 00:09:59.610 --> 00:10:02.629 Michigan It's like once you get over the bridge 00:10:02.629 --> 00:10:05.720 you could make that sigh relief It's like you 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.620 hit cleaner air. You know, your worries kind 00:10:09.620 --> 00:10:11.779 of melt away a little bit. You're in a new place. 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.399 Everything's just, it's like a grass is always 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:18.879 greener on that other side. And the bridge is 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:21.360 that boundary for me. I don't know if it's like 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:23.580 that for you, Mark, but once I hit that bridge, 00:10:24.019 --> 00:10:25.860 once I get through that, once I come through 00:10:25.860 --> 00:10:30.720 Mackinac City, I could smell the lake air. It's 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.440 cooler. I can hear seagulls chirping and shit, 00:10:34.539 --> 00:10:36.059 because people like to give them their fries. 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:40.179 But they're all around. And I just know, dude, 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:41.899 I'm going to be over the bridge soon. Everything's 00:10:41.899 --> 00:10:46.279 going to be all right. And if you don't have 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.379 one of those, that's the one great thing I love 00:10:50.379 --> 00:10:54.080 about Michigan, is we have a basic barrier that 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.039 tells you pretty much when you're in. peace area. 00:10:58.299 --> 00:11:01.440 Like I forget sometimes that people like this 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.679 person from Texas, sometimes they can just drive 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:06.639 and drive and they're still in a shitty area. 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.100 But like, once you once you I mean, there's not 00:11:10.100 --> 00:11:12.000 that the UP is free of druggies or anything, 00:11:12.019 --> 00:11:15.240 but it's nowhere near. There's not giant oil 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.179 refineries or anything. The most that you're 00:11:18.179 --> 00:11:20.740 going to hear from oil tanker ships or anything 00:11:20.740 --> 00:11:23.220 like that is you're going to hear the freighters 00:11:23.220 --> 00:11:26.700 off the beach. That are going around the Great 00:11:26.700 --> 00:11:29.460 Lakes and that's not an unpleasant experience 00:11:29.460 --> 00:11:32.279 for me. Actually, it's kind of cool hearing them 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:36.080 that low hum People who haven't experienced it. 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:39.039 It's just kind of like Everything's super quiet. 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:42.519 You can hear the lake. You can hear the the waves 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:48.679 crashing, but then you just hear this And it's 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.399 it's the the freighter engine moving and you 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.620 know chugging through the lake and it's super 00:11:54.750 --> 00:11:58.269 super calming like it's not loud or crazy annoying 00:11:58.269 --> 00:12:01.730 maybe just for someone but that's dude that is 00:12:01.730 --> 00:12:07.570 the best super relaxing i'm all about this stuff 00:12:07.570 --> 00:12:14.570 all right yeah i think it was our quinoa peninsula 00:12:14.570 --> 00:12:18.750 trip for the seven hour plane crash trail i think 00:12:18.750 --> 00:12:21.580 it was the first time i ever heard a loon And 00:12:21.580 --> 00:12:23.279 I thought it was like an elk or something or 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.759 something else. Oh, yeah. Making noises. Yeah. 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:29.139 We're just near a big enough lake for them to 00:12:29.139 --> 00:12:32.220 land in. So that's what we're hearing. Yep. I 00:12:32.220 --> 00:12:35.080 know exactly what you mean, dude. If you've never 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:39.059 heard a loon before, that can be kind of scary 00:12:39.059 --> 00:12:42.080 the first time you hear that. Yeah. The same 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.919 thing with like screech owls. Screech owls are 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:48.820 like barn owls. Barn owls sound like a small 00:12:48.820 --> 00:12:54.059 child being murdered. That is pretty pretty nuts 00:12:54.059 --> 00:12:59.500 all right, so I Think these are the two that 00:12:59.500 --> 00:13:06.759 mark just sent me Let's see here I Had a copy 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:09.720 of it kind of was a weird how it kind of came 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:15.000 through Yeah, all right, so I got one that is 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:19.279 And you could stop me if this isn't put out or 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:22.570 formatted right? Camping in a ground tent along 00:13:22.570 --> 00:13:25.350 the Mexican border on the Devil's Road, we wake 00:13:25.350 --> 00:13:28.309 up to a pitch black... Oh, in the pitch black 00:13:28.309 --> 00:13:32.590 to the sound... Huh? I see that. I see how that 00:13:32.590 --> 00:13:34.029 came out. I didn't even pay attention to how 00:13:34.029 --> 00:13:37.409 that came out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it's all right. 00:13:38.090 --> 00:13:40.029 Camping in a ground tent along the Mexican border 00:13:40.029 --> 00:13:42.669 on Devil's Road, wake up in the pitch black to 00:13:42.669 --> 00:13:45.889 the sound of voices. I think I'm imagining it 00:13:45.889 --> 00:13:49.210 and lay back down. Not long after I hear footsteps 00:13:49.210 --> 00:13:53.950 and brush moving, slowly but surely I can make 00:13:53.950 --> 00:13:56.750 out whispers in Spanish. They move around the 00:13:56.750 --> 00:13:59.590 camp slowly and circle my buddy's tent. Then 00:13:59.590 --> 00:14:02.909 I heard a crush just inches from my head near 00:14:02.909 --> 00:14:05.509 my tent. I was freaking out and praying that 00:14:05.509 --> 00:14:08.970 they were immigrants, not smugglers. And then 00:14:08.970 --> 00:14:11.909 I heard the car doors latching and pulling as 00:14:11.909 --> 00:14:14.610 they tried to get into our vehicle. Thank God 00:14:14.610 --> 00:14:16.629 I had blocked it or they may have stolen it along 00:14:16.629 --> 00:14:20.029 with our campsite supplies and communications. 00:14:20.750 --> 00:14:24.809 Eventually after what seemed like ages, they 00:14:24.809 --> 00:14:31.929 left. That is one of my biggest fears is going 00:14:31.929 --> 00:14:35.450 out to a remote area and then having something 00:14:35.450 --> 00:14:39.649 like that happen. I mean that's why I carry because 00:14:39.649 --> 00:14:42.750 I'm with my family and there's no way I leave 00:14:42.750 --> 00:14:46.330 my truck unlocked at night. Like I shouldn't 00:14:46.330 --> 00:14:52.919 have to lock it where we go. Sometimes I leave 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.840 the windows down, the doors open. It just depends 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.980 on how confident of the area I'm in. But anything 00:14:58.980 --> 00:15:01.240 can happen, dude. You never know. There could 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.200 be a crackhead that went down that same road 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:06.659 four weeks earlier and is only a mile away from 00:15:06.659 --> 00:15:11.100 you. Who knows? So yeah, I always carry. I always 00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:14.129 have some kind of a... Protection against something 00:15:14.129 --> 00:15:16.889 like that and me and Mark talked about this before 00:15:16.889 --> 00:15:20.210 we started this episode and we might do one Depending 00:15:20.210 --> 00:15:24.570 on Alex's vote, but might do like a camp security 00:15:24.570 --> 00:15:27.909 and awareness episode talk about that a little 00:15:27.909 --> 00:15:31.590 bit but Maybe this is a good prep for that, you 00:15:31.590 --> 00:15:34.129 know, we're telling all the scary crappy stories 00:15:34.129 --> 00:15:38.919 and Maybe this will show people like what? could 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:43.240 happen and then what we do to prepare. We're 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.139 in a pretty safe area, so it's not like we have 00:15:46.139 --> 00:15:49.299 to do anything crazy, but we do also know how 00:15:49.299 --> 00:15:53.740 to if we didn't feel safe and we had to stay. 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:59.440 I think, I don't know if it's Independence Overland 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:03.639 or Ozark Overland Adventures, they make a mention 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.200 of this one time that like, Sometimes you'll 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.600 get to a site and there's just something in your 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:10.879 gut that tells you that I don't like this site 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:16.720 It's not that you're It's not that there's anything 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:20.700 particularly wrong with it like seen or Like 00:16:20.700 --> 00:16:22.700 the like what it looks like or anything. You 00:16:22.700 --> 00:16:26.019 just get a gut feeling. Yeah There's no signs. 00:16:26.019 --> 00:16:28.940 It's just a feeling. Yeah, maybe it feels a little 00:16:28.940 --> 00:16:33.059 eerie. Maybe it's just too quiet stuff like that 00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:36.419 and They always recommend that you just stick 00:16:36.419 --> 00:16:39.440 to your gut. And there's a couple of scary stories 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.320 out there that those guys have talked about. 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:44.879 Maybe not Ozark overlanding it with Matt McClellan, 00:16:45.820 --> 00:16:47.360 but Independence has kind of talked to where 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:49.139 they've like ran into a guy and they don't want 00:16:49.139 --> 00:16:52.960 to mention too much on there, but it happens. 00:16:53.379 --> 00:16:57.740 I mean, it's an eventuality. It'll happen and... 00:16:58.819 --> 00:17:01.899 And you know, your gut senses, the feelings that 00:17:01.899 --> 00:17:05.359 you get are a survival instinct that are kind 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.339 of, you know, buried really deep down in your 00:17:08.339 --> 00:17:11.960 own body. So if you start having that, then, 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.200 you know, follow it. I mean, what's the worst 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:16.180 that could happen? You go to a different camp 00:17:16.180 --> 00:17:18.019 and you don't have that same feeling and you 00:17:18.019 --> 00:17:20.180 know, whoop -de -doo, you had to drive another 00:17:20.180 --> 00:17:25.180 couple hours, but you feel safer. Okay. You know. 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:28.509 And I always listen to that gut feeling. I've 00:17:28.509 --> 00:17:30.950 had that a couple times, honestly, where I was 00:17:30.950 --> 00:17:32.890 just like, yeah, I'm not feeling the sight. You 00:17:32.890 --> 00:17:34.930 know, it's not necessarily that I saw any signs 00:17:34.930 --> 00:17:37.829 pointing to it, but me and Sienna would get out 00:17:37.829 --> 00:17:43.049 of the truck and there was no forest sounds at 00:17:43.049 --> 00:17:47.650 all. No trees, no river, no nothing. It was just 00:17:47.650 --> 00:17:51.250 dead quiet. And I'm like, and Sienna got out 00:17:51.250 --> 00:17:53.589 and she just stayed kind of close to the truck 00:17:53.589 --> 00:17:58.259 and I was like... I told her, I said, I don't 00:17:58.259 --> 00:18:01.420 want to sound like a pussy. I was like, but I 00:18:01.420 --> 00:18:04.220 don't like this area. I don't know what it is. 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:09.119 I said, this feels off, weird. I'm having a weird 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.839 feeling. And she goes, oh, me too. I'm like, 00:18:11.980 --> 00:18:13.640 that settles it. Get back on the fucking truck. 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:16.880 Let's get out of here. So it's not necessarily 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:18.619 that you have to feel anyway. But if you get 00:18:18.619 --> 00:18:20.740 that feeling, listen to it. And the worst that 00:18:20.740 --> 00:18:22.519 can happen is you find yourself at a different 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:27.490 area, and you're fine. Anyway moving on we'll 00:18:27.490 --> 00:18:31.130 go to your second one you got here Let me take 00:18:31.130 --> 00:18:35.589 a breath here because I'm talking so much Yeah, 00:18:35.589 --> 00:18:39.289 okay My girlfriend and I were camping there a 00:18:39.289 --> 00:18:42.049 really old bridge by a river It's a beautiful 00:18:42.049 --> 00:18:44.849 area and one of my favorite spots to camp anyway 00:18:44.849 --> 00:18:48.589 about 1 a .m We make up a huge or we wake up 00:18:48.589 --> 00:18:51.650 to a huge splash in the water Since we were the 00:18:51.650 --> 00:18:54.450 only ones there, I was obviously confused. I 00:18:54.450 --> 00:18:56.410 got out and put my flashlight on the water and 00:18:56.410 --> 00:18:59.390 nothing. I got weirded out and got back in the 00:18:59.390 --> 00:19:03.230 tent. Not long after we heard it again. This 00:19:03.230 --> 00:19:07.269 time it sounded like this time I had the light 00:19:07.269 --> 00:19:09.829 out and was ready. I put it right out on the 00:19:09.829 --> 00:19:12.710 river and nothing again. I was getting concerned 00:19:12.710 --> 00:19:15.369 and it was a huge splash which sounded like someone 00:19:15.369 --> 00:19:18.309 jumping off a bridge. The strangest part was 00:19:18.309 --> 00:19:20.609 it was in the calm waters so there wasn't even 00:19:20.609 --> 00:19:23.890 a ripple. I spent the rest of the night awake 00:19:23.890 --> 00:19:30.869 and continued all night long after about 30 minutes 00:19:30.869 --> 00:19:34.569 or so. You know what that, what in your opinion, 00:19:34.730 --> 00:19:37.730 I see if you come to the same conclusion, what 00:19:37.730 --> 00:19:45.609 would you say that was? If you had to guess Hmm 00:19:45.609 --> 00:19:51.630 I Mean River wise I would assume might have been 00:19:51.630 --> 00:19:54.170 a fish hopping up, but at the same time at night 00:19:54.170 --> 00:19:56.970 time. I don't know that's a thing Yeah, I mean 00:19:56.970 --> 00:19:59.289 it does happen like carp and stuff. You know 00:19:59.289 --> 00:20:04.289 fishing at night, but Oh, yeah, I'll let you 00:20:04.289 --> 00:20:09.970 think in my opinion is a beaver beavers still 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:13.400 Beavers are in flowing water. They build the 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:17.460 dams and they're extremely territorial. If you're 00:20:17.460 --> 00:20:20.700 around the area that they're in, they will defensively 00:20:20.700 --> 00:20:23.559 slap their tail in the water. And it sounds like 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:25.519 something like someone jumping in the water. 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:28.259 It's a loud smack. They have a very wide tail. 00:20:28.900 --> 00:20:32.900 It's very loud. And the first couple of times, 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:35.180 if you don't know what's doing it, it scares 00:20:35.180 --> 00:20:38.369 the shit out of you. Now, I can't explain the 00:20:38.369 --> 00:20:40.470 no ripples thing. Maybe he just wasn't quick 00:20:40.470 --> 00:20:42.630 enough to look where the sound was. I don't know. 00:20:43.250 --> 00:20:46.450 But he also said it was a river. And river will 00:20:46.450 --> 00:20:49.190 tend to wash out those ripples a lot quicker. 00:20:49.750 --> 00:20:52.130 Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you get a beaver. You wouldn't 00:20:52.130 --> 00:20:54.529 see a ripple that much. Yeah. So to me, that 00:20:54.529 --> 00:20:59.160 was what it would be. It could have been Bigfoot 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:01.380 slapping a rock in the river or something, but 00:21:01.380 --> 00:21:05.119 Much more believable. I would say would be a 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:08.539 beaver tail slab either do yeah, they do as a 00:21:08.539 --> 00:21:12.740 defensive posture, so That is an interesting 00:21:12.740 --> 00:21:14.160 one. That's the only one I've been able to hear 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:16.980 so far that maybe has you know something else 00:21:16.980 --> 00:21:26.500 there Here, let's see What'd you pop and what's 00:21:26.500 --> 00:21:30.740 spilling Oh, a Vernors. A Vernors. He's getting 00:21:30.740 --> 00:21:32.299 better, guys. I think it's partially frozen. 00:21:32.940 --> 00:21:36.740 Yeah, that could be. For anybody who doesn't 00:21:36.740 --> 00:21:41.400 know, Vernors is Michigan medicine. You have 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.539 a broken leg. You have a sore throat. You have 00:21:45.539 --> 00:21:48.440 cough congestion. You just had a mild heart attack. 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:53.220 Drink Vernors. It's a ginger ale. And it's like 00:21:53.220 --> 00:21:59.069 a... a Vicks Vaporub. My family, my wife is Hispanic, 00:21:59.529 --> 00:22:02.470 and they use Vicks Vaporub to heal everything. 00:22:03.390 --> 00:22:05.970 Like, oh yeah, you know, you got a bruise, throw 00:22:05.970 --> 00:22:08.190 some Vicks Vaporub on it. You got, you know, 00:22:08.250 --> 00:22:12.670 any kind of bodily injury, throw some Vicks Vaporub 00:22:12.670 --> 00:22:15.890 on it. And that's what Vernors is. So if you 00:22:15.890 --> 00:22:19.130 want to heal overnight, rub your body in Vicks 00:22:19.130 --> 00:22:22.029 Vaporub and drink Vernors, and I guarantee you, 00:22:22.029 --> 00:22:25.950 you're gonna feel like a brand new person. all 00:22:25.950 --> 00:22:30.390 right so moving on I found another one I haven't 00:22:30.390 --> 00:22:32.230 read it yet so I'm gonna read it as I read it 00:22:32.230 --> 00:22:39.509 so hopefully it's good might not be a creepy 00:22:39.509 --> 00:22:43.930 one but it doesn't have to be no not a proper 00:22:43.930 --> 00:22:47.150 over landing trip and not terrible but I look 00:22:47.150 --> 00:22:49.869 back and laugh about it frequently my girlfriend 00:22:49.869 --> 00:22:52.410 at the time had come to visit me that's never 00:22:52.410 --> 00:22:56.519 a good sign girlfriend at the time. My girlfriend 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:58.700 at the time had come visit me while I was working 00:22:58.700 --> 00:23:00.680 in Las Vegas for a few months and we decided 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.000 to take a trip down to LA and hit the beach and 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.039 get out of the heat. She leaned, she learned 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:09.359 early in the relationship not to wonder where 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:12.039 we'd be sleeping on the road since home was where 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:15.380 we parked it. And it was usually a last -minute 00:23:15.380 --> 00:23:18.940 decision unless we were on a well -planned trip 00:23:18.940 --> 00:23:21.700 with a set destination. That also sounds familiar. 00:23:23.250 --> 00:23:26.390 I had a really cool spot up in the San Gabriel 00:23:26.390 --> 00:23:28.549 Mountains that I had driven past for the gorgeous 00:23:28.549 --> 00:23:30.970 views of the city and remote enough so I figured 00:23:30.970 --> 00:23:34.509 we could grab something to go for dinner and 00:23:34.509 --> 00:23:36.950 camp up at the spot I had found during the previous 00:23:36.950 --> 00:23:40.930 trip. We got some burgers and started making 00:23:40.930 --> 00:23:46.829 our way north to the exit off I -15 up to the 00:23:46.829 --> 00:23:54.730 Cajon pass exit, Cajon. C -A -G -O -N, J -O -N, 00:23:55.029 --> 00:23:58.450 pass exit. We left pavement a mile west of the 00:23:58.450 --> 00:24:00.930 interstate and found about a four or five miles 00:24:00.930 --> 00:24:03.849 I hear a god -awful screeching sound coming from 00:24:03.849 --> 00:24:08.089 the driver's front wheel. Okay, odd. That came 00:24:08.089 --> 00:24:10.490 in all of a sudden and I immediately dropped 00:24:10.490 --> 00:24:13.210 and started expecting it. Couldn't see shit. 00:24:14.109 --> 00:24:16.569 I pulled out the jack in my tire iron just to 00:24:16.569 --> 00:24:20.539 realize that I have the socko I just realized 00:24:20.539 --> 00:24:24.019 that I have the socket handle, the three quarter 00:24:24.019 --> 00:24:28.140 inch socket to fit around the spline socket, 00:24:29.259 --> 00:24:33.160 which only had a three quarter hex instead of 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.680 a slot for the drive to insert into, but no spline 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:42.039 socket. Fuck. I realized I must have left the 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:45.680 spline socket at the Airbnb in Vegas after the 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:47.819 recent brake job, so I have no way to get my 00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:52.690 wheel off. Was 99 % sure it was a rock jammed 00:24:52.690 --> 00:24:55.349 in between the brake rotor and heat shield But 00:24:55.349 --> 00:24:58.690 there was no getting in with the wheel on I was 00:24:58.690 --> 00:25:02.710 also nervous to move To move it at all with the 00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:05.309 sound in case it was something worse No cell 00:25:05.309 --> 00:25:07.869 service and we hung out and ate dinner while 00:25:07.869 --> 00:25:10.670 we decided our next move While we were eating, 00:25:11.049 --> 00:25:13.369 some kids drove by in a Raptor and I told them 00:25:13.369 --> 00:25:15.710 about the situation, but they didn't have what 00:25:15.710 --> 00:25:17.690 we needed and it was too late for them to hit 00:25:17.690 --> 00:25:19.529 an auto shop or a parts store to see if they 00:25:19.529 --> 00:25:22.250 could find the socket I needed. We eventually 00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:24.309 decided to just limp back to the pavement and 00:25:24.309 --> 00:25:26.769 get a motel room for the night. We pull into 00:25:26.769 --> 00:25:29.049 the motel room and finish the rest of our burgers. 00:25:29.529 --> 00:25:32.109 While we're sitting there... We talk more and 00:25:32.109 --> 00:25:34.349 decide to take back roads to limp the truck to 00:25:34.349 --> 00:25:36.869 the closest auto shop and sleep in the parking 00:25:36.869 --> 00:25:38.730 lot and see if we can get a problem fixed in 00:25:38.730 --> 00:25:41.690 the AM without a tow bill or paying for a shit 00:25:41.690 --> 00:25:45.569 motel. I reverse out of the parking lot and viola, 00:25:45.730 --> 00:25:50.130 the sound is gone. If I had just put the damn 00:25:50.130 --> 00:25:52.190 thing in reverse, I would have dislodged the 00:25:52.190 --> 00:25:56.619 rock. At that point it was pretty late since 00:25:56.619 --> 00:25:58.660 we were planning to drive back to Vegas the next 00:25:58.660 --> 00:26:00.940 day anyways We decided to keep heading north 00:26:00.940 --> 00:26:03.740 on I -15 and found a great spot on I over later 00:26:03.740 --> 00:26:08.440 to crash for the night Yep, I've had that happen 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:14.400 Brakes lodged, you know rocks lodged in our brakes 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:19.519 is very fucking common and it always makes a 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:24.559 crazy sound so It's a it's not really surprising. 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:31.099 Let's see no Took my Civic up to the Olympic 00:26:31.099 --> 00:26:34.000 National Park and set off the alarm at 3 a .m 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:36.319 Took me almost five minutes of fumbling because 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:39.019 I dropped my keys while sleeping on them felt 00:26:39.019 --> 00:26:45.759 pretty good about that one Let's see what else 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.160 Overall my camping experience have been pretty 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:51.140 amazing, but I'd say the worst is when I was 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.160 camping in Vancouver Island, British Columbia, 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:57.220 a beautiful place riddled with mice. I'd hear 00:26:57.220 --> 00:27:01.180 a bunch of mice down below the wreck that hold 00:27:01.180 --> 00:27:04.240 on here. Let me see. I'd hear a bunch of mice 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:08.660 down below wreak havoc on my car in my car at 00:27:08.660 --> 00:27:11.059 night. Sorry, I'm reading this from other people 00:27:11.059 --> 00:27:14.200 and their typing styles are very different depending 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:20.240 on their education, I guess. They even came up 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.809 on top and crawled into my rooftop tent while 00:27:23.809 --> 00:27:26.910 I was trying to sleep. I think one it eventually 00:27:26.910 --> 00:27:31.690 made its way inside one time and the AM I'd see 00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:34.309 the damage piss and shit everywhere and they 00:27:34.309 --> 00:27:37.009 took a bite out of just about everything oh yeah 00:27:37.009 --> 00:27:40.390 and there would always be that nice oh that one 00:27:40.390 --> 00:27:42.650 mice that fucks up and doesn't disembark with 00:27:42.650 --> 00:27:44.450 the rest of his friends so I'd take him home 00:27:44.450 --> 00:27:50.490 too yikes yeah I already know that happens And 00:27:50.490 --> 00:27:52.089 that's not the first time I've heard of British 00:27:52.089 --> 00:27:59.170 Columbia being full of mice either so My wife's 00:27:59.170 --> 00:28:01.049 got a leave soon here. I got a double check what 00:28:01.049 --> 00:28:08.630 times it is She's doing a an overnight inventory 00:28:08.630 --> 00:28:12.309 in Lansing so Just making sure she's not knocking 00:28:12.309 --> 00:28:14.329 at the door trying to get in and get some stuff 00:28:14.329 --> 00:28:19.660 to go We were gonna actually I find a place to 00:28:19.660 --> 00:28:26.019 camp near Lansing, but I had messaged the MST 00:28:26.019 --> 00:28:29.599 group. I called a couple of state parks and nobody's 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:34.500 open. Like it's not crazy outside, but none of 00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:36.819 the state parks are open for at least a month. 00:28:37.059 --> 00:28:42.299 One of them was open in June. And I'm like, what 00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:46.390 the fuck? Like nobody's open and... So I was 00:28:46.390 --> 00:28:48.650 just kind of like well I mean I'll look for state 00:28:48.650 --> 00:28:50.670 land of course because that's what my first plan 00:28:50.670 --> 00:28:53.990 was anyway There's not shit anywhere near Lansing 00:28:53.990 --> 00:28:58.609 like with a established trail going into state 00:28:58.609 --> 00:29:03.190 land and the closest thing was maybe an hour 00:29:03.190 --> 00:29:06.670 and 15 minutes away from Lansing and we're two 00:29:06.670 --> 00:29:09.210 hours and 30 minutes or so away from Lansing 00:29:09.210 --> 00:29:16.009 so The plan was home. Yeah The plan was so she 00:29:16.009 --> 00:29:18.569 didn't have to drive all night because she worked 00:29:18.569 --> 00:29:20.950 today and then she'd have to leave at 9 p .m. 00:29:21.410 --> 00:29:24.569 She'd get there at like 11 ish and then work 00:29:24.569 --> 00:29:27.069 throughout the night and then drive home in the 00:29:27.069 --> 00:29:30.809 morning. The plan for me, which makes sense in 00:29:30.809 --> 00:29:35.549 my head because she has bad eyes, was I like 00:29:35.549 --> 00:29:38.650 we packed up and drove before it was dark, got 00:29:38.650 --> 00:29:41.890 to the campsite, set up, you know, monkey around 00:29:41.890 --> 00:29:44.779 a camp, eat dinner, have fun. then we'd go to 00:29:44.779 --> 00:29:48.079 bed and she'd take the FJ and go to work, which 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:50.740 theoretically could have been 30 minutes away. 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:54.099 And then she would work and then drive the 30 00:29:54.099 --> 00:29:56.859 minutes back to camp. And then we could hang 00:29:56.859 --> 00:29:59.440 out for a while. She could rest. And then we 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.500 could drive home later during the day. That was 00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:05.160 the theory until I started calling everybody 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:09.839 and no one had, no one was open. There was no 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.970 space. So that's the downside. And I don't want 00:30:13.970 --> 00:30:17.230 to set up my tent in a Walmart parking lot, and 00:30:17.230 --> 00:30:19.230 that's just not, like at that point, it's not 00:30:19.230 --> 00:30:22.069 worth it for us. And I could drive her there 00:30:22.069 --> 00:30:24.309 tonight, and we could stay all night in the truck, 00:30:24.529 --> 00:30:29.289 but that's not very fun either, so, you know. 00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:32.190 Just gonna wave the white flag and let her drive 00:30:32.190 --> 00:30:34.809 by herself. It's not that I don't trust her drive, 00:30:34.869 --> 00:30:38.400 I just don't trust other people. I'm worried 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.000 about my truck and making it the two hours and 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.000 if she's going to have what she needs, if something 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:47.660 happens and you know. So we drove to Hudsonville 00:30:47.660 --> 00:30:51.839 and back, which is about two hours combined. 00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:58.500 So in theory, she should be okay. Um, but it's 00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:00.339 just, I don't, I don't like leaving it up to 00:31:00.339 --> 00:31:03.960 that. And I don't like having her, you know, 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.480 drive at night. She's got like early onset glaucoma. 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:09.900 So like her eyes are already really bad. They 00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:13.539 will be getting continually worse. So driving 00:31:13.539 --> 00:31:17.660 at night, she can't really see jack shit. Yeah. 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.500 It's quite the track between here and Lansing. 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.460 Yeah. And the company doesn't give a shit, you 00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:29.640 know? So I was trying to make it a little easier 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.759 on her by having her drive a little earlier, 00:31:34.220 --> 00:31:37.670 or at least me drive a little earlier. That way, 00:31:37.829 --> 00:31:42.369 if anything did happen, I was prepared. I was 00:31:42.369 --> 00:31:48.190 there. I could help out. So yeah, bummer. But 00:31:48.190 --> 00:31:53.049 I guess it is what it is, right? You can't babysit. 00:31:53.390 --> 00:31:55.210 Not that I'm babysitting her, but you can't sit 00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:58.509 there and protect them the whole time. It is 00:31:58.509 --> 00:32:07.779 what it is. Let's see. Try to get one or two 00:32:07.779 --> 00:32:10.839 more. I think this one's gonna be a shorter episode 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.000 just because of The fact that me and Mark want 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:21.859 to both get off yeah, and there's no Alex and 00:32:21.859 --> 00:32:24.660 Despite what everybody may think I don't like 00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:29.619 to talk this much reading people's stories There's 00:32:29.619 --> 00:32:37.940 a lot of jaw -jabbing Here's one Got sick in 00:32:37.940 --> 00:32:40.180 a remote place in Africa's East Coast while on 00:32:40.180 --> 00:32:42.319 my overlanding trip couldn't even cough without 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.579 accidentally shitting my pants Days and days 00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:48.579 of this he said I took a modium as if they were 00:32:48.579 --> 00:32:52.500 candy water tasted like shit and even and even 00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:55.839 being treated and The people with me telling 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.759 me they couldn't taste anything bad on it and 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:03.009 they were fine Went on several remote trips remote 00:33:03.009 --> 00:33:06.049 scuba trips like this I stubbornly refused to 00:33:06.049 --> 00:33:08.210 let the sickness stop me from enjoying once in 00:33:08.210 --> 00:33:11.069 a lifetime trip So I left my dignity back at 00:33:11.069 --> 00:33:13.289 base camp and jumped on the boat with 15 other 00:33:13.289 --> 00:33:16.750 people in no bathroom Every day for three consecutive 00:33:16.750 --> 00:33:20.829 days to get to remote diving destinations with 00:33:20.829 --> 00:33:24.390 worst Case of diarrhea I have ever had in my 00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:28.799 life Luckily all three all three days were about 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:34.079 a about all How does he have this word here? 00:33:34.740 --> 00:33:38.299 We're all about a gurgly and painful belly, but 00:33:38.299 --> 00:33:43.579 no accidents on the boat or underwater So I would 00:33:43.579 --> 00:33:45.640 run to the bathroom shortly after coming back 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.920 to land no regrets I only got better almost immediately 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:56.500 once I left the area Yeah I can't say I haven't 00:33:56.500 --> 00:34:00.720 had something like that happen before. Alright, 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.119 let's do the last one that Mark just sent. The 00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:13.239 title has never been more terrified. Damn it, 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.699 dude. Why'd you have to do this one? We drove 00:34:15.699 --> 00:34:20.199 to Arkansas. You know this one? No, but it's 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.880 in the Ozarks. And I was talking about doing 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:28.340 the Ozarks soon. But we drove to Arkansas, went 00:34:28.340 --> 00:34:31.880 to the Ozark National Forest. Not rainforest. 00:34:32.019 --> 00:34:34.840 What am I talking about? Rainforest. Yeah. There's 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.840 only one of those in the country that I know 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.900 about. I think that's in Washington. That's the 00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:43.599 hoe. Ho National Rainforest, I think it is. But 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.960 anyway, yeah, we found a path and traveled up 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:49.639 it only to find out there was a cemetery back 00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.219 there. So we backed out and continued through 00:34:52.219 --> 00:34:54.280 the mountains, found another little trail and 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.380 decided to make camp. Now it's about 730 p .m. 00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:59.679 and pitch black. I set up the tent and got a 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.340 fire going while the wife decided to go look 00:35:01.340 --> 00:35:04.179 for more wood. She came back with several logs 00:35:04.179 --> 00:35:06.380 and something caught my ear. I asked if she had 00:35:06.380 --> 00:35:08.820 heard anything and she told me no. So I didn't 00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:11.190 think about. Think about it, Butch, and continue 00:35:11.190 --> 00:35:14.409 to set up my camp. About an hour later, we hear 00:35:14.409 --> 00:35:16.730 out in the woods, a good distance away, what 00:35:16.730 --> 00:35:20.210 sounded like a whooping to me. To me, and the 00:35:20.210 --> 00:35:23.530 wife, it sounded like a human scream mixed with 00:35:23.530 --> 00:35:28.150 an elk bugle. Hm, okay. I said, please tell me 00:35:28.150 --> 00:35:30.690 you heard that, and she agreed, and maybe it's 00:35:30.690 --> 00:35:32.389 some people camping down the stream that just 00:35:32.389 --> 00:35:34.769 got drunk and yelling. I didn't believe this. 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.619 We sat down next to the fire and we're going 00:35:37.619 --> 00:35:40.280 through some old photos. When about 50 yards 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.400 to the left of my tent in the darkness, we hear 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:47.000 the same sound as before. But even louder and 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.860 deeper, we both freeze. I grab my gun off of 00:35:51.860 --> 00:35:53.880 my hip and point it into the direction of the 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.079 woods. The sound got louder and closer. I grab 00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.599 my phone and try to record what we're hearing. 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.159 Right as I hit the record, it stops. Nothing, 00:36:04.420 --> 00:36:07.300 just silence. Well, some time goes by and I'm 00:36:07.300 --> 00:36:11.519 still a tad nervous. She is ready to sleep and 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.639 we got into the tent. I, on the other hand, couldn't 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.139 sleep, so I laid in the tent and could hear something 00:36:17.139 --> 00:36:20.320 moving around in the leaves and branches crackling. 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.239 This continues on for about 30 minutes. A few 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.559 hours go by and more sounds. Oh, and no more 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:33.489 sounds, okay. And no more sounds. Cuz I was I 00:36:33.489 --> 00:36:35.230 was about to say dude. I just get the fuck out 00:36:35.230 --> 00:36:38.309 of there I've been holding out on going to the 00:36:38.309 --> 00:36:41.289 bathroom out of pure terror when I decide about 00:36:41.289 --> 00:36:44.230 3 a .m. To go for it Anybody who's into like 00:36:44.230 --> 00:36:46.550 the cryptid and ghosts says never to do it a 00:36:46.550 --> 00:36:49.929 three. That's the witching That's the ghost hour 00:36:49.929 --> 00:36:53.969 man Hand in my gun. I step out looking left and 00:36:53.969 --> 00:36:56.690 right my fire is out. And so are my cant lights. 00:36:56.829 --> 00:37:02.730 I rigged up That I rigged up awesome. So Oh, 00:37:02.750 --> 00:37:06.110 okay, he's being sarcastic, okay. He's saying, 00:37:06.590 --> 00:37:09.650 and so did my camp lights that I rigged up. Awesome. 00:37:10.289 --> 00:37:12.269 So I began to go to the bathroom when all of 00:37:12.269 --> 00:37:16.530 a sudden there's a Sam howling scream noise is 00:37:16.530 --> 00:37:20.269 now on the other side of my campsite. I dive 00:37:20.269 --> 00:37:23.250 into the tent and spend the remaining of the 00:37:23.250 --> 00:37:26.349 night wide awake. I did some research in the 00:37:26.349 --> 00:37:28.050 morning and the only thing that I could hear 00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:30.949 were similar stories of a thing called an Ozark 00:37:30.949 --> 00:37:36.539 Howler. Needless to say, I will not be going 00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:42.659 back anytime soon. That's crazy. You know, I've 00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:45.179 heard stories similar to that. And there are 00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:47.719 a couple animals that could make something like 00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:53.059 that. Oh, yeah. There are certain owls that will 00:37:53.059 --> 00:37:56.360 make a sound that I would be kind of close to 00:37:56.360 --> 00:38:00.300 that. All right, now we got to hear. Oh, go ahead, 00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:04.800 go ahead. Real quick. See now how we were doing 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.380 cords and calf last year I think the one time 00:38:09.380 --> 00:38:13.380 when we were in ever yeah, we camped out the 00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:20.000 night before and Down the road we heard a whoop 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.159 and that was it It was the scariest thing. We're 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:26.239 like what the fuck and like we go out to the 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.739 trail We're looking down the trail. There's nothing 00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:32.519 like the fuck Was it we wait for like response? 00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:38.039 Oh, was it like the whoop when we had the... 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.739 I think it was just a regular screech owl or 00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:44.579 whoop owl above Botch's Early, you remember those? 00:38:45.460 --> 00:38:47.900 Where they're like, whoop! I didn't hear that 00:38:47.900 --> 00:38:52.039 sound, but... You didn't? Alex said, I wasn't 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:53.679 there for... I don't think I was around when 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.159 that happened. The Botch's Early? You were with 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.980 us. No, I know I was, but I don't think I caught 00:38:59.980 --> 00:39:02.340 the noise. I don't know if I went to bed early 00:39:02.340 --> 00:39:04.719 or something. You must have, because it was all 00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:10.000 night, brother. There was two of them. And it 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.159 was super scary, because you can't hear owls 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.719 fly. They're silent. So there was a pair of them 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.239 going, whoop, whoop, whoop, boo, whoop, whoop, 00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.909 whoop, boo, like all night. And then... It was 00:39:23.909 --> 00:39:26.309 I knew exactly what they were so I wasn't like 00:39:26.309 --> 00:39:29.949 scared but what was eerie is it was dead silent 00:39:29.949 --> 00:39:31.489 and they were making that noise and then all 00:39:31.489 --> 00:39:34.429 of a sudden it was like somebody turned on like 00:39:34.429 --> 00:39:38.110 Dolby surround sound because the other owl went 00:39:38.110 --> 00:39:41.150 across the clearing and they were doing it at 00:39:41.150 --> 00:39:44.949 like the same fucking time and so I was hearing 00:39:44.949 --> 00:39:48.250 it out of like both ears and it was surrounding 00:39:48.250 --> 00:39:54.099 us and it was just that And I was I was referencing 00:39:54.099 --> 00:39:56.079 back to that because it wasn't I knew what they 00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.619 were But it was eerie to hear them so close and 00:39:59.619 --> 00:40:02.440 I was wondering if maybe that whoop sound was 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:06.579 kind of what you heard. Oh I I wouldn't know 00:40:06.579 --> 00:40:10.800 but all I know is that it went off and like it 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.539 was quiet Man, it was like what was that back 00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:20.519 in October November? Yeah, but then again, if 00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:22.440 owls were in it too, he would have known what 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.820 it was. Because he didn't say anything about 00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:29.440 owl. Yeah, so maybe he was something else. Who 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:33.159 knows? But there was no response to it. Sort 00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.300 of like, what the fuck was that? Yeah, that is 00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:39.079 weird. So for anybody who wants to know what 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.380 a howler is, I looked it up real quick. In Arkansas 00:40:42.380 --> 00:40:45.440 folklore. A Howler is a legendary creature said 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.460 to dwell in the Ozarks. According to tradition, 00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.340 it is a creature that is bear -like in shape 00:40:52.340 --> 00:40:55.760 with dark -colored shaggy coat, and local traditions 00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.679 and documented sightings preserve the mystique 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.539 of the Ozark Howler even if some people think 00:41:01.539 --> 00:41:05.280 it is a myth. In 2015, Arkansas's television 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.179 station 4029 News reported that it had received 00:41:09.179 --> 00:41:11.980 photographs purported to be images of the creature 00:41:11.980 --> 00:41:15.920 from a viewer. The station contacted Arkansas's 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.840 Game and Fish Commission who responded that they 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:19.780 had heard no claims of sightings of the creature 00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:22.860 and said that the images that were sent to the 00:41:22.860 --> 00:41:28.849 station were a hoax. Of course they would. of 00:41:28.849 --> 00:41:35.210 course like I don't know I don't know if I don't 00:41:35.210 --> 00:41:41.710 know let's see here 4029 TV oh oh that's weird 00:41:41.710 --> 00:41:45.309 that just I mean I don't know what to think about 00:41:45.309 --> 00:41:51.909 that is if it is a howler that is it's like an 00:41:51.909 --> 00:41:58.900 terrier with a rat tail with antlers Yeah, this 00:41:58.900 --> 00:42:06.900 is funny because when I think of the Ozark Howler, 00:42:06.980 --> 00:42:09.599 or whatever you want to call this, this is not 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:15.840 what I would picture. No. Yeah, that's weird. 00:42:17.099 --> 00:42:19.920 It's just like a jackalope. Yeah, it's basically 00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.800 a jackalope, but instead of a rabbit, it's a 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.280 cat. or like a cat like animal like the face 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:33.239 almost looks like and What do you call those 00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:36.880 river an otter it's got almost got like a face 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:41.559 like an otter with spikes from a deer a terrier 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:47.500 body and a rat tail a long rat tail. Yeah, and 00:42:47.500 --> 00:42:52.900 Yeah, that's just weird And I would say that 00:42:52.900 --> 00:42:59.800 this is like a stuffed, like really bad, what 00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:03.719 do you call those? What do you call these stuffed 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.619 animals? Taxidermy. Oh, taxidermy. Yeah, I'd 00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:10.239 say this is like a taxidermy melt, but they have 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.119 multiple pictures of this, same color, same pattern. 00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.980 Different body movement. Different body movements 00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:19.159 and the feet are in different positions, so. 00:43:19.820 --> 00:43:22.800 Yeah, yeah weird could be just some Photoshop 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:26.400 stuff who knows and the thing is is we may never 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.000 know I mean, yeah, they could be out there. This 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.960 creature is pretty small by the size of it easy 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:37.219 to miss we have found weirder things so maybe 00:43:37.219 --> 00:43:41.519 I'll ask Benji and Caleb Baker and See if they 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.099 know anything about this howler creature from 00:43:44.099 --> 00:43:49.400 the Ozarks I don't know, we might have to do 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:53.920 an interview with Benji and see if he knows anything 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:58.920 about it, maybe Caleb. I know Caleb's a decrypted 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.500 stuff a little bit and like some of the, it depends 00:44:02.500 --> 00:44:05.880 on who you talk to, but quote unquote conspiracies. 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:10.920 So I'll have to ask them and see what they think 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.940 if any of this is. Real or has is actual legend 00:44:15.940 --> 00:44:20.639 from the area. So Alright, that was a fun episode 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.480 with that. It's about 45 minutes and I think 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:25.480 we're ready to wrap it up What do you think mark? 00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:29.440 Yeah, I'm going to wrap it up. Yeah, we're tired 00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.119 wife's getting ready to leave We went through 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.679 some cool stories even ended it on a cryptid 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.460 note, you know Mark knows if I get talking about 00:44:38.460 --> 00:44:42.280 cryptids. I won't stop so I'm gonna leave it 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.739 at this as the last topic and we're gonna move 00:44:45.739 --> 00:44:50.159 on. So without further ado, we will see you guys 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.940 on the next one. Yep, later.