Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Yeah, guys, we
got some voicemails in response to our radio
chatter stuff. Yay, voicemails. Thank God, because
we had no content for today, and these guys be
saving our asses. Yeah. All three are from the
same person. Oh, good. So is this Wreck -It Rob?
Yeah, this is Wreck -It Rob. Okay, because we're
looking at pictures of the vehicles he sent us,
like about 10 of them. Yeah. And they're pretty
sick, all of them. So I'll go ahead and play
this first one. I've got to make sure I play
these in order. All right, 405, 409, 431. So,
all right, got it. And here's the first one.
All right. Just long bed, short bed conversation.
It irritates the hell out of me. It's Wreck -It
-Rod, by the way. I own four trucks. Two of them
are short bed. Two of them are long bed. One
of them is a flat bed. I own three trailers.
Two juice mechs. One car trailer. I have my fancy
family truck on two sprag wheels. And it's sitting
on an 8 -inch lift. Without rubber bands. Also,
going right along with you guys' tire conversation
on the last episode, I can't stand loud tires
anymore. I guess in my old age, I don't like
loud tires. Loud tires belong on my off -road
rigs. So, I bought RCs. Something you guys might
want to listen to. It's like median between a
mud tire and an all -terrain tire. Back to the
long bed, short bed. I hate when I take my short
bed truck somewhere and I got to pick something
up and I realize I should have picked the long
bed. And that happens more often than not. The
only people that will complain about a long bed
are Toyota people. Because there's no such thing.
Even the long bed, the short bed. Stop complaining.
Complaining about a long bed because you don't
own one and you don't think you need one. because
you don't want to spend the money to buy one.
My short beds come in handy when I go and do
family things or the wife takes it grocery shopping
or whatever. There's never a point in time where
I'm like, damn it, I should have took the short
bed instead of the long bed. What a loser. The
long bed's also my recovery rig. As I run up
and do recoveries, when people get stuck up in
the hills by my house, I don't take the short
meds. Both of my, one of my short meds and both
of my long meds have the gooseneck hitch in the
bed. Doesn't matter which one of those I go with.
If I want more comfort and heated seats and I
want to be a B -bag, I take the fancy truck.
And if I want to... Go out into the woods and
not worry about the truck. And I take the long
bed with the gooseneck behind it. It really doesn't
matter. I don't care. I just prefer my long bed.
My wife prefers the short bed. And she prefers
the, you know, D -bed truck because it's bougie.
So, yeah. Watch who you're calling the D -bed.
Otherwise, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gavin's muted. Oh,
I'm sorry. Yeah, like, did I call someone a D
-bag? I think I might have when I was messing
around. I don't know. I talk shit so much, I
don't even know what came out of my mouth half
the time. Yeah, I mean, like, you got a point.
Like, nobody's ever said, like, Man, I wish I
brought my short bed. I get that. Like, I think
that there's just, like, like, wheeling, like,
in the woods and stuff like we do, like, short
beds would be better. I wheeled a crew cab long
bed for it for years. Yeah, but, like, there's
some turns and stuff that we've done and sharp
turns that you're like, yes, a short bed would
have been better. I'm not saying they're bad.
I'm just saying the turn radius on it would have
been better for the tighter turns. At this point,
everyone's in denial because that's a scientific
fact that a short bed would do better on sharper
turns. I don't mind taking three or four turns
to make one turn. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that it would do better. I agree.
Short bed, a real short bed. Like, no, a real
long bed is worse than a Toyota long bed on turns.
I think it also... Oh, you know what? I think
it was when we were... What's up? I was about
to say, it depends on your truck setup because
we have a work truck that's a quad cab long bed.
Like, I think it's, like, even longer than any
of the long beds we have at work. And that thing
turns like there's no tomorrow. It takes forever
to turn it. I mean, as long as it can be like
an eight -foot bed. I think it's like an eight
-foot bed. Yeah, that's a long bed. An eight
-foot bed is a long bed. Right. A six -foot bed
is a short bed. Anything shorter than a six -foot
bed is bullshit. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I
guess my argument is, like, an extended cab long
bed would have a tougher time in a tight trail
turning. than Mark's Tacoma. Yeah. That's all
I was saying. Everyone's like, well, I could
do three turns. I'd still be fine. Yeah, you
could be fine. I get it. People still wheel full
-size trucks. I wouldn't disagree with you. I'm
just saying I prefer a long bed. You're going
to sound like it. I just prefer a long bed. And
that's fine. I'm just saying, like... It is a
clear fact, and this is why full -size trucks
aren't wheeled anywhere near as much as the smaller
wheelbases. There are full -size. I'm not saying
there isn't. I'm just saying. Yeah. No, you're
right. All right. Let's get on to his next one.
Oh, which starts with, damn, I got cut off. Damn
it, I got cut off. Break it, Rob, again. Yeah,
I don't know if you can tell, though. Being called
a D -bag because I have 20 -inch wheels is irritating.
On top of that, the argument on the whole parking
garage thing, I don't own a truck that fits in
a parking garage. All my trucks are too tall
for that. So I don't have that problem. Anyway.
I'll talk to you guys later. Thanks for the high
blood pressure. I'm out. Hey, anything for you,
Rob. Anything for you. I guess one of us did
call him a D -bag. I don't think 20 -inch wheels
are D -bags. Anything bigger than that? Oh, you
know, that might have been me, actually. Because
I was talking about some guy with, like, 20 -inch
rims. Okay. But, yeah, not exactly what I meant.
The bigger question, though, when you refer to
that. Does it have zero rubber or a little bit
of rubber? Yeah, like, are we talking rubber
bands? See, my issue is stretch tires on trucks.
And it's not that all people that drive stretch
rubber trucks are D -bags. The majority are.
Let's be honest. The majority of stretch rubber
trucks, they tend to be kind of... Their name
is probably Kyle and they're drinking a monster
with polarized sunglasses on. It may or may not
be Carolina squatted. Yeah. 20 inch chromes.
They beat their girlfriend if the girlfriend
gets curb rash on them. I wouldn't say 20 inch.
I'd say more like 24. They're bigger than 20s
now. It would require stretch rubber because
you could have Like, there's dualies that have
massive wheels, and those guys, they tend to
not be D -bags. Yeah. But if it's, like, a lifted
squatted truck with, like, 24s or 26s and stretched
rubber bands, yeah, they're probably D -bags.
I do remember this, and I'm pretty sure it was
me, of course. I said 20. And then I backpedaled
a little bit because I remembered specifically
that Zach... tundra owner zach uh he has 20s
and i'm like well oh okay those didn't look that
bad so i i i kind of backpedal a little bit on
that so it's definitely bigger than that but
it's it's the clear like chromey douchebag guys
that like wear the flat bills backwards wear
tap out shirts and beat their girlfriends like
that's those are the ones that say i'm country
and then they've like never done anything in
their life Like, I can look at Rob's trucks,
and none of them scream, I'm a D -bag. No, no.
They're all just nice -looking trucks. Yeah,
let me look again here. Let me take a gander.
The Jeep's got some 24s or something. Just kidding.
Those are tractor tires. I know. No, I mean,
at least he didn't send us a picture of the one
he, or me, I guess, accidentally called douchey,
but I rescind my statement, Rob. I think you're
very cool, and I'm sorry about your blood pressure.
I think he's talking about the crew cab power
stroke on, I don't know, I guess that other power
stroke also has bigger wings. Yeah, the white
one. But none of them look douchey. Oh, that
second white one? Yeah. Yeah. I might have to
screenshot this and zoom in on it more. That
kind of looks like 20s, but it doesn't look like
a douchey truck. There's a tell, right? You can
look at a truck and tell, that guy's probably
someone I'm going to hate. But Rob doesn't have
any of those. So we're sorry, Rob. Someone misspoke.
I misspoke. Hey, I admitted to it. Alright, I'll
play his last one here. Alright, I think we're
going to call this the Wreck -It Rob -isode.
The worst thing I've bought. for off -roading
that makes me the most angry is I bought 46 -inch
Mickey Thompson Baja Paws. And I wish I hadn't
got rid of my IROC to buy them. They're too big.
They cake up a lot. They're not great for mud.
They're awesome for crawling. I'm not an overlander,
so I don't have a bunch of random equipment in
my truck or my cab over. I don't sleep in negative
degree temperatures like you guys do up there.
I'm in California. Even in the dead of winter,
I can get a zero degree bag in a Walmart tent.
The pin might suck, but it still doesn't hurt
me as much as I shouldn't have bought those 46s.
You guys love ugly cars. What's your favorite
ugly car? My favorite ugly car is the Agtech.
I think it would be pretty cool to have for me
and the wife to go get the hell away from the
kids and go out on a camping trip on our own.
She told me it's dumb for me to purchase because
we already have a truck and a cab over Tampa,
but I think it'd be cool. And my favorite ugly
truck is the early 60s unibody Ford Pickup. They're
super ugly, but I'd rather own one of those than
a Ranchero or El Camino. There was something
else I was going to say, too. I think this will
be the last time I call. But who knows? I'm still
listening. So something else might irritate me
and I'll call again. Oh, hey, what do you guys
see as the difference between glamping and camping?
Let's start this on your podcast. Come on, everybody
call in. Tell them what you feel the difference
is between glamping and camping. Personally,
my difference is if the wife is doing it with
me or not. That's my difference between glamping
and camping. They'll sleep out under the stars
in a sleeping bag on my trailer. And if she goes,
I have to bring the cab over, and we have to
have everything to cook a four -course meal,
and we have to have stuff for lunch. I don't
even eat lunch when I go wheeling. I come back
and have a beer. All right, guys. I'll call in
next time I listen to another podcast. Until
then, I'm out. Thank you, Wreck -It Rob. Let's
not start the camping versus glamping conversation
over here. That can stay on Snail Trail. No,
no. No, I agree. If my wife didn't come, yeah,
that would be the difference. I mean, like, if
my wife never came camping with me, I wouldn't
have 80 % of the shit that I do now. But if I'm
being honest. Comfort -wise, I enjoy the extra
stuff more. Like, I am more comfortable with...
Happy, maybe? I don't know. I don't know happy.
Because I'm just as stressed doing all this extra
stuff. But, like, I don't know. It's a different
side of it. It's like two sides of a coin, I
guess. Yeah, if my wife didn't go with me, I
would pull up in my truck, put down my... driver's
seat and go to sleep like yeah yeah yeah like
i would sleep in my truck i probably wouldn't
even have a 10 i'd just put my seats down if
i didn't have my wife and son with me but like
my uh my camping setup when i lived in arizona
was literally a couple of pvc poles over my truck
bed and a tarp yeah like so yeah i mean to in
a way yeah there is there is there is a stretch
that we make To make it more comfortable for
our significant others, especially when it's
not like their passion. Like, it's not Sienna's
passion. Like, she likes it. But she doesn't,
like, sleep it. She doesn't, like, dream about
it. Like, I dream about it, get up, watch videos
about it. You know, research stuff about it.
And she's just like, okay, yeah, let's go. Whatever.
I'm just here for the ride. So, yeah, like, she
wants to have decent meals and to be comfortable,
and I don't know why, but she wants to be warm.
Yeah, warm's overrated. Wow. Yeah, just wow.
But, yeah, I mean, I think, I don't know, man.
Is glamping when you start adding, like, a sink
inside of your, like, a built -in sink? No, we're
not bringing this. It has been beat. To death
on snail trail. Almost as bad as trail ratings
at that point. Hey, but not here. And we don't
ever talk about it. I think glamping is when
both you and your wife or girlfriend has separate
tents decked out with all the things that they
need from home. Yeah. I have seen specific posts
from Facebook tent campers. I think it's when
you add a couch. Like, genuinely, in a tent,
I think when you have a couch that you air up,
I think, okay, you're glamping now. Or when you
need power, when you have to hook into power.
Those combinations. I think that as soon as you've
got AC, you're not glamping. Up to that point?
Yeah. Up to that point. Like, I don't care if
you go out in an RV. If you don't got AC, you're
not glamping. Yeah. Um, I don't care if, I mean,
I grew up camping in a horse trailer and nine
times out of 10, we didn't have AC, but man,
you knew if we were going on a trip where we
had power and we're going to plug into AC, we
were going to be glamping it up. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. AC is valid. Like, uh, I, yeah, I think
I'm going to stick with mine and say, if you,
if you have to plug into power, what was that
pod record oh okay yeah i was gonna say if you
have to plug into power and you have a couch
oh yeah you're i i would go if you have to plug
into power actually yeah because if you make
it so you're sustainable without power and you
have onboard power i think that's different like
if you know if you're running if you can if you
have to run a generator to run your ac no no
no i mean i mean onboard power like a like a
house battery and stuff to like gotcha charge
and like run things yeah no if you bring a generator
glamping if you bring any outside source of power
other than what's connected to you your vehicle
or a power bank if your tent is bigger than just
the size of your bed glamping shit i mean yeah
i'd be okay with that at this point i'm like
whatever light fighter light fighter camping
sweat I guess swag I count as glamping a little
bit. It's pretty cushy. Yeah. T5 backcountry,
glamping. Glamping to hell. Especially if you're
not doing what the backcountry is made for, which
we're not. Are you in the middle of Colorado
packing out your hunt? No? Okay, then you're
glamping. Like in the video, they have it as
a base camp for hunting, like elk in the mountains.
I'm like, yeah, just going to go to like 40 miles
off of the main road where nobody's at and just
set it up there. I mean, most of them are only
20 to 30 miles off the main road. So, I mean,
yeah, I'm sticking with the power and AC and
sofa thing. I think that's a done deal right
there. I think that's pretty solid. I think we
solved it right there, and we need to call Jimmy.
Put an end to it right now. I think they solved
it, too. So the problem with theirs, right, is
that people call in, but they get so many call
-ins that it takes them sometimes two months
to get to them. So they'll have it all solved,
and then a month later, someone will have heard
something they said and called in, and they'll
get to it, and it re -sparks the entire conversation.
No, I think this is pretty solid. I don't think
anybody can call and be like, Well, no, I think
if you have a couch and you have to be plugged
in, plugged in to power and an AC, that's a triple
killer. That's their three strikes. If you got
power more than a flashlight clamping. Okay.
I like, I could see like bringing a, like, what
is that called? A triple breeze that like heats
and ACs and it's hooked off of a battery. Like,
I could see that... No, I... No glamping. I don't
know. Like, because if it's hooked on to, like,
battery power... Glamping. That's one strike.
But if you have a couch, done. Two strikes, that
two out of three, gone. So you have to check
off the strikes. Oh, yeah, okay, okay. I like
the strike method, right? We can go with that.
So three strikes. One, you have to hook up to
some type of power. Yep. Whether that be the
battery you brought with you or not doesn't matter.
No, no, no. You hook up some type of power. Two,
if you have AC, strike two. Oh, no, no, no. And
then the couch. No, I'm talking like state park,
you have to plug in. Dude, you can glamp in the
woods. You can definitely glamp in the woods.
I think, like I said, if you have to have AC.
And a couch lamp. If you have to have power and
AC, but you don't have a couch, it's glamping
still. If one of your main reasons to go on the
trip is for Instagram content, glamping. Could
be. Could be. Yep. If you have more pictures
of your camp set up than you do of whatever you
did on that trip, glamping. That would be us
then? Yeah. Hold on. As we take pictures, take
pictures of us with a tarp draped over our trucks.
I was going to say, how many rigged pictures
did I take on our camping? I took probably 300.
Dude, it's so... I don't know. I think we were
glamping in Leatherwood, dude. Everyone else
was stuck in their tents. Everyone was stuck
in their tents, and we were out here under a
tarp living it up. I think... All right, here
we go. I think if your tent exceeds... The people
that will be in it, by five, then you're glamping.
Because you see a three -person family and a
12 to 15 -person tent. It is packed full of junk.
Like, here's my dresser. This is my camping dresser.
Here's my full -size 11 -inch mattress. With
a six -inch foam topper and full camp bedding.
Me and Mark have definitely been camping in the
two of us in a 12 -person tent. And I would not
have counted that as glamping. I think it depends
on how much was actually in there. See, that's
why it's got to be a combination. Yeah. Because
all we had in there was our two cots and then
a table to set stuff on. Why the fuck did you
take a 12 to 15 person for that? Is that all
you had? Yeah, it was a $100 Walmart tent. Easy
setup. That's a little different, I guess. And
because we knew that we were going to end up
spending quite a bit of time in there, so we
wanted somewhere that we could actually play
games and be comfortable. Yeah. I don't know.
Maybe it's how much space you fill up out of
that with useless junk. I mean, I would consider...
You and your wife, when we went to the botches
camp the first time, and you guys had that whole
tent to yourself with a big mattress. That was
glamping. The cot mattress. Who? Alex. When we
did botches yearly, and me and Caitlin brought
that $100 Walmart tent, and then I had the cot
with the inflatable mattress on it. You were
right on the border there, buddy. Bro, we were
living it up. If you would have had like a fan
in there. If we had a diesel heater. If we had
a diesel heater that year. So what is it, like
full -size cot now? If you have a 12 -person
and a full -size bed. Yeah. And a table and chairs.
That's raised more than six inches off the ground.
It's glamping. You know, when we go to Turkey
Run, I might take the, instead of taking the
swag, I might take the $100 Walmart tent and
my queen -size bed. Is it a base camp style?
It's only base camp. It's like, I paid $160 for
a campsite. Holy shit. For three nights. Yeah,
dude. Fucking terrible. But I might take the
$100 Walmart tent and my queen -size bed. How
well does a queen -size bed fit in your T5? Probably
pretty damn well, actually. Come over to your
tent for... Not that I don't trust you, but that's
scary. I'm just kidding. Imagine he comes back
and he goes, I don't know what happened, dude.
I was just driving on the side of the highway.
I heard a thump, and tent's gone. I don't know
where I went. I would cry. Absolutely. And I
can't say that it has never happened because
he's lost bigger coming from Leatherwood. I mean,
going to Leatherwood. Like a whole spare tire
carrier. No, that's part of your group. That
was not me. Part of your group? Nope. It counts.
I was in the front. You said the welds were good.
I was telling him. Yeah, you said. I questioned
it. Guilty. I questioned it. I marked it with
the white chalk. Oh, my gosh. I gave it the QC
-assured sticker. Quality -assured, yep. Damn.
No, that was more of a, I want to be done with
this shit. Yeah. Well, look at now. You're done
with it now. We ain't got no spare tire on the
trailer no more. No more. Damn. Yeah, I'm going
to stick with my three boxes on that one. I think
plug -in power is pretty... pretty solid like
i do i do have the want to get a uh a base style
tent to have because i mean i love the swag but
it'd be nice if we're doing a campsite the same
campsite for like three days to not have to lug
that thing around yeah and have a little more
space yeah so when we did kids camp last year
we stayed there for five days and Dude, five
days would be perfect for a nice, large base
camp -style tent. I'd like to get a 270 awning
that I can drape off the side of the truck and
have it just barely come over the tent so I have
a pretty much covered walkway. Maybe that's glamping.
I don't know, but I think that would be really
dope. Yeah, I am not the big, I have issues with
awnings. It's not even the awnings themselves
are bad. It's just that I feel like I would break
one and that's a lot of money for something that
I know I'm going to probably break. Yeah. Very
fair. Kind of my issue with rooftop pants too.
It's not that they're bad. I think they're amazing.
Um, the stuff I do, I would break one and I don't
think I'd be as comfortable as I am on the ground
anyway. We escaped the young 'un. He came running
in. He was telling. Jasper interruptions are
my favorite. He was telling on his mama. I don't
know what she did. She flat -tired me earlier
today. I don't know if you guys know what flat
-tiring is, but it's when someone steps on the
back of your shoe. Takes the back of your shoe
off. Yeah, so she went to smack me on the ass,
but she accidentally flat -tired me. And I was
wearing my favorite Chaco slides, the flip -flops
or whatever. And it fucking completely ripped
the plastic. She destroyed my Chacos. And those
were like $50 sandals. And I was like... dude
and she looked and she's like oh well why did
you i said don't even start don't even try to
start to flip this on me you just destroyed my
favorite sandals i've ever had my chaco slides
how could you i was heartbroken so there's this
new company making canopies like ours it's called
clam um they have one that's identical to ours
but it's only a six by six it's 250 dollars A
little smelly. Yeah, I'm sure it smells. It has
to smell. Yeah, the name. Yeah. Well, doesn't
clam make ice shanties? I don't know. I don't
know why I'm thinking this, but I'm thinking,
like, clam -style ice shanties. I don't know.
I know I was looking at some ice shanties. There's
an 11 .5 one. There is, but they have a 6x6,
and it's the same price as ours. I know, it's
$3 .69 for the 11. It doesn't come with sides.
But it literally... They have different colors,
but they also have our beaver -colored ones,
so it's clearly a beaver tent, you know? How
much did you pay for the beaver? Like $100? $200
or something. No, we paid like $200. 215 or something
like that. And that's like an 8x8? 12x12. Got
it. The thing's great. I literally have no complaints
about it. I think... Their 12x12 .5 is like 570.
Dude, and I just found out you have to buy the
panels separate. They're 60 bucks. Yikes. Supposedly
they're top rated. Just buy the Viver one. Guys,
if you're looking for a quick setup canopy with
walls, get the Viver. Yeah. It's not bad. Melissa
and Mike in the Rubicon, they had the G8. Yeah.
Yeah. And that one was pretty cool. It's literally
the same as ours. Yeah. We saw it. We saw it
when they were at Leatherwood. Yeah, were they
at Leatherwood? Mm -hmm. Someone had a G8 at
Leatherwood. Okay. It was an orange one. Yeah,
no, theirs is like a black. Oh, okay. But they
had it. We used it during kids' camp because
the mosquitoes were so bad, and that was that
same kids' camp that it was like 100 and some
degrees. Yeah. And we used it for shelter. Yeah,
it was stormy for that morning for like three
hours and 100 -some degrees the rest of the day.
And we used it just for shade because there was
not a cloud in the sky. We had barely any tree
cover. And it was just to get out of the sun.
But that was pretty nice. And then I think they
used it down in... Where was it? Yeah, in the
UP. And the wind caught it. It flew away. Was
that Paradise? We got it back. Yeah. We got it
back. It was... Yeah, that thing tumbled right
up the fucking hill from the wind. It was like
60 mile an hour winds. That's crazy. Yeah. But
it was fine. Ours, once you get it staked down
right, it doesn't go anywhere. We have had it
blow away on us. Yeah, they didn't... It wasn't
windy at all. And they, uh, I don't think they
had it really stick down for sand. Cause we were
in that deep sand. Yeah. So it was like, it was
fine. And then all of a sudden the, just the
wind picked up and we thought it was, it was
good, but no, I think the one time went to tumbling
one time. Ours went, tried going. It was the
first time we had it set up. We left the doors
wide open. Yeah, and the wind just blew in and
puffed it up like a balloon, and off she went.
That's my main concern with these hub -style
tents. I've been looking for a really deep auger
style that will go, I don't know, for the hubs,
because I know wind and the hubs don't really
match, unless you've got them really tied up.
I've seen Scott's in his Nissan. I've seen his
hub do... the the 50 some mile an hour winds
and it didn't look like it had a single issue
but this is bigger right so i i did address it
in the video and i want to talk about that a
little bit too um you remember how we were talking
about the little holes in the hub where you pull
out they have the holes and we were talking about
having to put like a a rubber washer on either
side to keep like rain and yeah like yeah so
they actually fix that in this one good So it's
just like an anchor bolt going through the hub,
and the material completely surrounds it. So
I was actually going through that, and I was
looking at all the things that I might have to
do to it to make it decent. That was one of them
that I looked at and was like, shit, I won't
have to do that. Good. The other one was seam
sealing. Like going through and seam sealing
or throwing extra water protectant on things.
And I didn't really find much that needed extra
seam seal. Like they did a pretty good job on
the inside of that. I did find a few small little
defects in it. Like where you could kind of see
the outside a little bit through the cloth. Like
in the stitching. And I mentioned that in the
video too. Like I'm looking harder. than i have
in any other tent i've ever bought so could be
that every other a lot more let's say you spend
a lot more money you better look at it a lot
deeper yeah and but my my point was is it was
like one stitch hole that i could see some light
through here and then like one stitch hole on
the whole other side of the tent a whole different
area that i could see some light through it's
like that's not really that big of a deal uh
big of a deal as if I was seeing a line of them
that were pretty split. You could have no stitch
holes that you see light through. That would
be preferred. Yeah, but in a factory setting.
And you know what? I would love to see an episode
of how it's made for those tents. Yeah. Because
if you think about the construction and how they're
sewn in, how the hub style is sewn into the tent
cloth and stuff, I would love to see how somebody
makes that in a factory. With the poles and,
like, how heavy it is. Like, how that all comes
together like that. Be really cool to see. Because
that's not, like, an easy design. Like those
hub styles. I found it. I found my base camp
style tent. Yeah. It's a instant hexagonal cabin
tent from Ozark Trail. 15 by 13. My lord, dude.
And it looks sick, dude. It looks great. It looks
very, very nice to set a queen size bed in. Oh,
I hate. I don't think that this is a bad looking
tent, but I cannot stand it when they do those
tiny little rainflies. And that includes my gazelle.
I just wish they, why, like, why not just do
an optional drape that goes. Yeah. that you can
fold up or roll up. I agree. Uh, it helps a lot
when you're in a storm, if you have a rain fly
that actually fucking, you know, rain flies.
Yeah. Like that is an interesting design, man.
Wow. I know it's the amount of space that you
gain from that. Like, I'm not saying, I'm not
saying it's something I take over landing, but
like, if it's something I'm just popping up to
have like a, you know, more than a day or two,
like there's, You can stand up. You can do whatever
you want in it. This might be worth getting for
a base camp tap. I would be interested to see
how much weight it could withstand on the top.
It's got, for non -viewers, because we don't
have any viewing, maybe we'll throw a picture
of this up at top art or chapter art, but it's
got your weird, it's kind of a weird shape to
it than a typical. Yeah, it's got three long
sides and four short sides. Actually, not even.
Two long sides and four short sides. Yep. But
it's got two different kind of hub areas. One
in the rear, which looks like the main larger
one. And then a smaller one in the front. And
the poles look kind of small from the picture.
They do. Which kind of worries me a little. but
like i said this seems to have a good peak on
it though for water this would be for me this
would be more like almost fair weather right
like yeah i'm going out setting up a base camp
and then if something happens like thank god
i have a tank you know right well let's see what
we got let's look at our reviews here i got we
got some pictures look at that glamping setup
Is that the first thing you found is a glamping
setup? They got a couch. They got two cots. A
rug. A fan, a TV, a rug. Yeah, that's glamping.
Yeah. If you have a full - Oh, and then - There's
another one. If you go far enough in, this tent
is a joke. It's supposed to be an easy setup,
and all the poles are broken off. Oh, duh. Yeah.
Oh, that's rough. There's another one. Like the
tent doesn't hold up, only used it three times.
Numerous plastic connections from poles broke.
Yeah, that's where the hub meets. That's the
exact hub I was talking about. Yeah, it's not
going to be a thing. It's just a cool, I like
the idea. Very cool design, yeah. The amount
of space that they've got in an easy setup tent
is really cool. If they just did metal hubs and
metal poles. And maybe thickened the gauge of
the pole up a little bit. Yeah, that could have
been a great tent, but man. They really struck
out with that one. Those poles are about the
same size as the Boo Palace poles. Yeah, no,
they are, 100%. And it extends the same way as
the core does. You can see that it's got like
the poles pull outside of each other, the telescoping
style. Which it reminds me a lot of the core.
Yeah. Which if anybody's ever used those telescoping
pole styles, once you get some like mud and sand
and grit in there, those become much harder to
work. Like on the, on the core, after those,
that little bit of rain we got, we had rolled
it up and I was trying to push those in. Sienna
was pushing fucking hard. I thought she was going
to break it to pull that tent pole back in. So,
and if those clips break, You're screwed. That
hold the telescoping pole in place. Yeah. So
you got to like duct tape it or something and
open. No, you're screwed. You'd have to hope
that you can buy spare parts somewhere, which
a company like Ozark Trail is not going to do
spare parts. They would most rather for what?
That was $160 or something for that? They'd rather
you just buy a new one. Yeah. $189. And they
might warranty it out for you even. That's crazy.
I just like that. So you need, I do. Yeah, it
is. You need by Walmart's accident plan by all
state. Oh yeah. There we go. I've used Walmart's
insurance before. It actually was kind of nice.
I don't know. I just, I like the idea of having
a glamping tent to go along with my non glamping
tent. Cause there are trips we do that like.
I do more of a glamping style, you know? I honestly
couldn't see you in anything other than an army
canvas tent. Like a 10 -person canvas. So much
money. I mean, we found some cheap ones on Facebook,
right? Like $400? That's a lot of money. I'm
only going to spend like $200 or less. Yeah,
I mean, to be honest, the use case for you...
Would be, like, once a year at that. Like, when
I go on this Indian, this trip to Indian Run,
like, that would be, or Turkey Run, not Indian
Run. This trip to Turkey Run, that'd be, like,
the use case for the tent, you know? Yeah, and
that's it. And that's all you'd use it for one
year, so it's not really effective. I think you'd
just be better off with your 10 -person Coleman
thing that you have, Walmart brand. Yeah, I mean,
that's what I plan on taking anyway. I just...
I want to get something a little nicer. Just
a touch nicer. I already jumped down that road,
dude. Just get all the sides for your tent and
do the same thing I did for Les. Yeah, I thought
about just taking the canopy and using that,
but... If it's going to be as warm as it is,
I don't think you would have an issue. Probably
not. No, I'll probably just keep using the $100
Walmart tent, because... I know we don't use
it anymore, but that thing is honestly a bangin'
tent. For the price, yeah. Set up in under 15
minutes for setup, and you've got a... What is
that thing? It's massive. It's a big, fine tent.
Yeah, it's like a 15 -person tent, right? Something
crazy. It's got one main room, two side rooms.
Oh, it's not different rooms. It's one big room.
Oh, okay. The look of it almost looks like it's
got the two side rooms off to the side because
it's a little shorter, right? Or is it all the
same height? No, yeah, you're right. The sides
are a little shorter. Yeah. That's like where
you'd put a bed on one side on the shorter end
and then a bed on the other shorter end and the
middle part's the dining room. Mm -hmm. I mean,
that's kind of what our setup was. Uh, when me
and Mark use it, it was caught on either side
and then a table in the middle or like a dining
room or a cook space. Yeah. For, um, for two
people base camp and like having a cook space
and everything in there. That's not bad. I, um,
it's funny. I'm 21. It's 21 by 15. Wow. Yeah.
That's a big old tent. It's funny. Cause it's.
sounds bigger than it actually looks like it's
a big tent but like when you say 21 feet that
sounds much bigger than what it actually is it's
not hard to use that space no not at all i'm
excited that i can bring my chairs in into this
tent at night and use it to like sit down and
in the tent or that's what i miss That's what
I miss about the having the big tent is being
able to just bring my shit inside. And on topic
of shit, I could actually use the bathroom in
the tent if I had to. Yeah. Like, yeah, it's
going to be a little stanky, but like there's
a couple of days where like it's downpour raining
or if it's fucking, you know, 10 degrees outside,
it'd be nice to take a dump in your tent. Well,
in the potty in your tent. I could set up the
poop shelter in the tent if I really wanted to.
And have a whole bathroom. If I was just camping
with my family, like a family outing, I'd just
put the bathroom in the tent. I wouldn't even
worry about setting up a secondary tent. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, me too. I'd just throw the poop
outside real quick. As long as it's in the bag.
Yeah. So we've done that in the six -person because
they have the vestibule in the back. And we've
taken the bathroom in there. because it was raining
all day and we just used the vestibule area,
which we had to definitely hunker down and squat
a little bit from touching the top of the tent.
But, I mean, it's all family in there. It's not
like anybody sees you in there doing it either.
So that's what I would do and probably will do,
especially if some of these kids camps and stuff
when we're all a little closer to each other.
And if that means I don't have to throw up that
stupid pop -up tent for the bathroom, then it's
fine with me. Because that thing's a pain to
put back in. Okay, like, check out this thing
I just found. I don't even know how to describe
this. Did I send it? Did it send? No. The thing
is that I would actually be interested in this
for a poo palace. God, I wonder how strong that
really is, though. Oh, that's just a fucking...
The way that it... Oh, okay. So, alright. It's
like two gazelle sides, right? Merged at the
top, so you just pop out two sides and boom,
the tent's up. So for anybody looking at this,
it looks like an A -frame house. It's just a
giant triangle tent, and the sides on each side
of the tent pop in and out. It's kind of interesting.
It's got a full rainfly. Yeah, it's got a full
rainfly. The sides are translucent. I wonder
how well it vents other than that front door,
like if it's got windows. The bottom's open.
I was going to say the bottom's wide open. Oh,
you're right. Yeah. I might actually buy this
and see about using it for a poop house. It'll
be a quicker setup. Maybe I would take white
spray paint and spray paint the windows on the
inside or something. Because I don't want the
translucent bullshit. I want it to be non -see
-through. Is that plastic or like a bug netting?
That's plastic. It looks plastic. Yeah, that's
definitely, like, a plastic. Someone's using
it for a greenhouse. Dude, that's such a weird...
It's just like... It's like your triangular,
like, wood block that you'd have as a kid. Like,
it's so weird. Like, literally, the only thing
I could see it being useful for is, like, a poo
palace. Or a shower. Like, it's so small. Well,
it might be smaller than a shower. One person
says... Yeah, it's smaller than a shower. But
if someone has a camp chair in there, it could
fit like a large camp chair. Yeah, okay, I could
see that. All right, so sporting events. Yeah,
I'd be good for that, for sure. It's basically
a one person with a little room for a couple
things of gear. You could sit at a soccer game
with it raining and pouring, and that would be
pretty useful. But I mean, in our scenario, though,
I only see it useful as like a poop shelter.
But in it, like, imagine how much faster setup
on that would be than like even my poop palace,
you know? Yeah. Like you just pop the two sides
out and four stakes. It's even faster if you
just bring your 10 person tent and just keep
on the other side of it. You're not wrong. I
mean, you do have two sides of that tent now,
so when you go to, what is it, Whitetails? Turkey
Run. Turkey Run, yeah. Some forest animal. But,
yeah, you could just use the other side over
there. Put a sheet up on the poles. Oh, don't
worry. I'm not bringing the Pooh Palace because
there are, like, showers and full -on, like,
it's a state park. yeah if you have to pay for
your spot and you have showers glamping that's
why i'm not that's why i kind of want something
uh more glampy because like i i love the swag
don't get me wrong the swag is an amazing tent
for what we do but something like that i'm gonna
want to be able to stand up and change i yeah
i do remember uh when i was going to leelanau
state park and we Got the last campsite available.
And it was like that crushed granite rock for
the campsite. It had plug -in power. We obviously
didn't use it because we had everything else.
We had our two -person Nemo dagger tent in like
a 20 by 20 camp spot that was like half crushed
rock. And it was like, this feels wrong. This
feels like I could be glamping right now. and
instead I'm rolling out of my tent into crushed
granite rock. Like, that, I was like, I wish
I was glamping right there. I have full intentions
of bringing my queen -size cot mattress thing
for that trip, so I probably should make sure
I get a tent that it fits well. Yeah, which would
definitely be your tent person. But... This Poop
Palace, I actually might just hit order and see
how it is. Because on top of that, it's like
$60 cheaper than the one that I already have.
I think you should get it. We should do a video
on it. I think so, too. I'm going to take a video
of you taking a poop in it and tell me how it
is. I mean, worst case, we take both. One's the
Poop Palace, the other one's just the area to
change in. Because the one you can stand up in
and take a shower in. And with this one being,
you know, shorter. Yeah. No, I, I wonder if you
can put the rain fly on and just leave it on
when you close it. It looks like you could. Yeah.
It does say you have to keep, you have to open
the door when you put it away though, which isn't
a big deal. I'm just saying that they did say
that. Makes sense. So you have to have the door
open. It's like the same with my gazelle tent
that. you have to unhook the rainfly before you
close it with the rainfly on top because it's
in those hard tent bowls. Yep. So, yeah, I mean,
that would be pretty cool, though. A little Pooh
Palace. We can do a review on it. Compare it
to your other one. This will be my third Pooh
Palace, though. I'll bring mine out, too. We
could put all three of them side by side and
compare and contrast. That's good because your
Pooh Palace was the first one I had. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm not upset with that one. I used it for one
trip and threw it away. Yeah, I'm not upset with
that one. It's a learning curve to try to put
it away, but it's not bad. It's mostly rainproof.
My biggest problem with that one was sitting
on the toilet in the wind, and I had to put my
arms up to hold the tent up so that it wasn't
blowing over on top of me. Yeah, I think... No.
Yeah, that's... Yeah. I was almost scared for
mine to ventilate. Like, shy pooper. Like, I
don't want mine to ventilate well. I don't want
other people to smell me. Yours, I had to poop...
When I had that one, I had to poop with the door
open. Because it was, like, 100 degrees, and
it was just baking inside. I do remember having
to do that in mine. It's more the heat more than
actually venting out. Which, I guess, is something
I'd be worried about with this one, especially
if someone uses a greenhouse. Yeah, yeah, no,
with the clear tops in there, you just get fucking
cooked. I really like that idea, though. Like,
it would be worth someone taking that setup and
converting to a poop, like, hmm. I don't understand
why there isn't a one -person gazelle -style
poop house that is completely pop -up, like,
hub -style. I might buy one. It seems like it
would be completely easy. I might buy one and
play with it and maybe see about changing some
stuff. And then maybe we can get ahold of a seller.
Oh no, stop. I'm not making a business ideas
on the podcast. No, no, this is our, this is
our exit plan. Uh, we're going to start making
a gazelle style poop palaces. More fleet, more
fleet comes out. Like Tyler comes out with a
brand new poop palace, like completely off, completely
off brand. What he was, uh, what he sells now.
And we're like, God damn it, dude. That's exactly
what we were saying. God damn it, Tyler. Taking
my idea, making it lime green and shit. Yeah,
lime green and black. He's like, oh, I'm sorry,
man. I was just next to the seller in the main
factory talking to him, and he just gave me one
of your guys' supplies so I could reverse engineer
it and steal it from you. If anybody's actually
listened to the Morphlate episode, you'll get
that reference. Because that happened to Tyler.
Someone stole it from him. I really like that
idea, though. Now that we've seen one, I'm sure
we'll start seeing more pop up. Time to get on
Temu. Because literally, if you replace the plastic
with some normal tent material and maybe a window
or two, That's a banging poop, Alice. Dude, just
someone put fucking zip -up windows and a hub
-style one person tall enough for you to stand
in. Just get it over with. Just corner the fucking
game right now. Just stop what you're doing,
dude. It can't be that hard, right? If you could
do it with eight people, you could do it with
a one person. Oh, someone just... Ozark Trail
also just came out with one. A lot like my Pooh
Palace that's only 50 bucks. I think we should
talk to a designer. Yeah, we need to, like, get
a... We need to just make a business of selling
Pooh Palaces. And we'll name it, like, Pooh Palace,
Pooh Castle, Pooh Shanny. Or different levels,
you know? Oh, yeah, yeah. One... Yeah, you do
one person, two person, three person. Yeah, one
person's a poo shanty, two person's a poo palace,
three person is a poo castle. Yeah. And the three
person rectangular one that's completely hub
style will have a bathroom in one and a whole
changing room with a bar that goes across the
side to hang things. Two bathrooms, two different
stalls, shower in the middle. Restall tent with...
Two toilet areas and a shower. Convertible, man.
It can be convertible. You can throw the pole
up to dry your clothes because it's already going
to be hot as dick in there. Yeah. Just saying,
man. And we'll come up with some kind of fancy
little pump. So you just bring your five gallon
bucket over, set it down. Boom, you got water.
Yeah. And it recycled. No, I don't want it to
recycle. I kind of do. We'd have to get like
a filter. Filter out the dirty water. I mean,
that's how they do it on space stations, right?
You want a longer shower than two minutes, you
get recycled water. Yeah, but we're not going
to be the guys selling poo castles for $500 either.
I don't know, I think that's a good price. Yeah,
right? Yeah. Dude, no one... The thing is...
And that's one of the problems with like poo
castle technology, right? Is it's gotta be a
hundred dollars or less or no one's going to
fucking buy the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Unless I can
get like the bougie landers to spend a thousand
dollars on it. Because if they see that it's
$600 and above, they'll buy it just because it's
$600 and above. We'll have it made out of like
carbon fiber rods and titanium. Oh dude. Titanium
joints. Hell yeah. And then we'll have like a,
actual canvas walls i think canvas is too heavy
for these guys they need like they need like
top notch rip stop like uh north face tents like
material okay with yeah yeah yeah with carbon
fiber rods titanium hinges what do you think
all right well there we go exit plan uh yep Mark,
Alex, and Gavin are going to start a company
where we sell poo shanties, poo castles, and
poo palaces. Yeah. What are we going to call
it? Shanties? I'll say Bunch Poop. Nah, that's
too long, man. What about Boop? Boop. Ah, I like
it. Boop. Boop. Yep. Yeah. You got to have the
Boop Shanty, Boop Castle. We have to have...
We have to have integrated LEDs, too, and we'll
sell... We'll make them be USB plug -in, but
the wires will be reversed, so you have to have
a special battery to plug it in. Yep, like an
iPhone. Too bad this one doesn't have zip -up.
Let's see. Yeah, that's... I mean, that's still
pretty close. I... would almost run that as a
poo castle too that's a little big though 6 .8
by 5 .9 and doesn't even have a zip up front
anyways it's just open well i could get around
that but yeah i don't know uh i really am interested
in this one i found though and i gotta figure
out how to make it work for me because i want
it I have no reason to want it because I have
a perfectly good poo castle. Yep, it goes back
to my question a couple episodes about, like,
when is it okay to upgrade? Like, what constitutes
it? Sometimes it's just something comes across
that's cooler and maybe not even more efficient,
just as efficient. Who knows? I don't know, maybe
not, because I'm thinking about it, and having
to sit there with the door open to take a shit
is probably going to piss me off. It's like,
I'm looking at this, and there's no ventilation
other than the bottom. Yeah. Hey, that's... I
already... Yeah. Hey. You could cut some holes,
get Kalen to do some sewing, make a prototype.
Might have to. But yeah, anyways, guys, it's
been great talking to you. I am surrounded by
white monitors and it's hurting my eyes. So we'll
catch you later. Catch you on the flip side.
Later.