WEBVTT 00:00:11.270 --> 00:00:14.349 Welcome to botches off -road. Uh, we got a few 00:00:14.349 --> 00:00:17.030 things today. Uh, we're going to do some radio 00:00:17.030 --> 00:00:18.829 chatter. So it's been a while since we've done 00:00:18.829 --> 00:00:22.690 that. Um, we're going to introduce a new segment 00:00:22.690 --> 00:00:26.670 kind of near the end there. Uh, and kind of a 00:00:26.670 --> 00:00:28.890 new host. Would you call that a new host? It's 00:00:28.890 --> 00:00:32.710 a new host. Yeah. It's like a, a small podcast 00:00:32.710 --> 00:00:35.649 inside of a podcast. It'll be great. Yeah. It's 00:00:35.649 --> 00:00:37.530 almost like having the weatherman on the side. 00:00:37.850 --> 00:00:40.710 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and here's to Shane with the 00:00:40.710 --> 00:00:43.130 weather and yeah, that's what it's gonna be like 00:00:43.130 --> 00:00:46.829 with sports Certain sport and we'll tell you 00:00:46.829 --> 00:00:51.070 more about that So first I will do some radio 00:00:51.070 --> 00:00:54.590 chatter How you doing Gavin? I know I just saw 00:00:54.590 --> 00:00:56.530 you like I've seen you this whole time. Yeah, 00:00:56.530 --> 00:01:00.770 I'm doing good. I'm kind of disappointed Yeah, 00:01:01.409 --> 00:01:05.400 yeah, I mean nobody's called our voicemail Yeah, 00:01:05.540 --> 00:01:08.780 voicemail's dead. As that being my favorite part 00:01:08.780 --> 00:01:12.200 of the show, you guys are really ruining it for 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:16.299 me. And it's free. We don't really care what 00:01:16.299 --> 00:01:19.099 you say. We just want to hear from you. And don't 00:01:19.099 --> 00:01:21.359 ring nobody. Yeah, it doesn't even ring anybody, 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:24.500 so it doesn't bother us. It takes 30 seconds 00:01:24.500 --> 00:01:27.700 out of your day. Donate 30 seconds of your time 00:01:27.700 --> 00:01:31.840 to help this small podcast stay alive. That's 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:34.260 all we need. Oh, I looked up the Snail Trail 00:01:34.260 --> 00:01:39.939 phone number. Will you remember? And the number 00:01:39.939 --> 00:01:51.000 is 231 -335 -7415 Again, it is 231 -335 -7415 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:55.540 Call now for your special TV offer. We should 00:01:55.540 --> 00:01:58.340 record we should record like a commercial and 00:01:58.340 --> 00:02:01.900 then just drop it in every episode Yeah, that'll 00:02:01.900 --> 00:02:04.659 get that's a quick way to lose or gain listeners. 00:02:04.659 --> 00:02:08.319 Well, we'll see we could make it like an infomercial 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:11.819 we're like hi Billy Mays here with a special 00:02:11.819 --> 00:02:15.300 TV offer and If you hate us and everything we 00:02:15.300 --> 00:02:17.599 have to talk about our complaint line is nine 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:20.800 one six three four five four seven four four 00:02:22.419 --> 00:02:26.060 That's over there. It's our local jail Tell Jimmy 00:02:26.060 --> 00:02:29.719 and Tyler how much you hate us Make sure you 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.639 use our name specifically. That's just extra 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:37.280 airtime Make sure you say botches off -road a 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:40.099 couple of times just to really set in how much 00:02:40.099 --> 00:02:43.819 you hate us Yeah, any publicity is good publicity 00:02:43.819 --> 00:02:47.300 where we're at right now. So if it's bad if it's 00:02:47.300 --> 00:02:52.689 good We're doing fine Yeah, that's, for listeners, 00:02:52.949 --> 00:02:55.150 that's the Snail Trail call -in number. Yes. 00:02:55.969 --> 00:02:58.569 I'll give them a shout out since I did talk shit. 00:02:58.990 --> 00:03:01.110 Yes. Snail Trail's great. Like I said, I was 00:03:01.110 --> 00:03:04.129 talking to... I talked a little bit about it 00:03:04.129 --> 00:03:08.129 in our 30 minute rap, but I talked to Jimmy. 00:03:08.710 --> 00:03:11.370 He was sending me emails back and forth about 00:03:11.370 --> 00:03:13.810 some options, and he was really honest and straightforward, 00:03:13.849 --> 00:03:31.099 and I appreciated that. Jimmy's great. but for 00:03:31.099 --> 00:03:45.620 the time and effort and materials Tyler makes 00:03:45.620 --> 00:03:47.319 a great product the more flights great. Yeah 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:50.259 more actually using So I ripped my more flight 00:03:50.259 --> 00:03:54.960 back. I don't know how it just ripped but the 00:03:54.960 --> 00:04:00.340 pack out the soft pack out Like tool suitcase 00:04:00.340 --> 00:04:03.419 thing is perfect fit for the more flight and 00:04:03.419 --> 00:04:08.259 hoses perfect. There you go. I uh, I plan on 00:04:08.259 --> 00:04:13.360 when my Thor's lightning goes I plan on buying 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:20.819 a Morph late, but for price and My health and 00:04:20.819 --> 00:04:23.819 mental safety. I hope my Thor's lightning does 00:04:23.819 --> 00:04:27.959 not go out and just Because I don't want to have 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:31.160 to buy I don't like more fleets worth it a hundred 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:35.079 percent Like they're they don't sponsor us They 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.160 are just very nice. Well, I think they don't 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:43.259 they don't sponsor They don't sponsor us but 00:04:43.259 --> 00:04:46.120 like They did send me stuff, and I should be 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.000 giving them shoutouts. Yeah, but they don't sponsor 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.279 us, they don't expect us to say anything nice. 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:56.339 Like, they don't require us to. He did a solid 00:04:56.339 --> 00:05:00.459 by sending Alex that, but by no means are we 00:05:00.459 --> 00:05:03.300 required to say it. I am saying it because I 00:05:03.300 --> 00:05:05.720 do believe that they have a really nice product. 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:09.519 Literally nothing bad to say about it at all. 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.160 There's there's not much you can say bad about 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.139 it when they start offering things like lifetime 00:05:14.139 --> 00:05:16.360 warranties if they can back their product like 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:19.540 that, there's not much to say. You know what 00:05:19.540 --> 00:05:23.860 I mean? And there's no the other thing is that 00:05:23.860 --> 00:05:26.959 when you pay buy into either snail trail or morph 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:29.319 late, you know that that money is going right 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:32.920 back into our eye, maybe not right back into 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:35.680 us, but like. Tyler puts forth a lot of money 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:39.620 into trail cleanups and just trail advocacy in 00:05:39.620 --> 00:05:42.839 general So it's worth taking you know, it's worth 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.160 paying into that system. Yeah, they get back 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:47.879 to our community. Yeah, that's the word I was 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.180 looking for Thank you. You're welcome. So I'm 00:05:50.180 --> 00:05:52.939 here. I'm here to fill the gaps. So I was stumbling 00:05:52.939 --> 00:05:56.699 over myself Okay. All right. Well, let's move 00:05:56.699 --> 00:06:00.300 into some Radio chatter do some radio chatter 00:06:00.910 --> 00:06:04.189 I think we'll do just a handful until we feel 00:06:04.189 --> 00:06:06.230 like we're good. So just gonna draw right off 00:06:06.230 --> 00:06:14.009 the top What? Stuttering sorry. Nope. Everyone's 00:06:14.009 --> 00:06:18.129 calling me at one time. Oh Oh, well in other 00:06:18.129 --> 00:06:21.110 news while he's looking at that or whatever I 00:06:21.110 --> 00:06:24.750 Have some news very sad news one of our local 00:06:24.750 --> 00:06:27.310 bakeries burned down here a couple days Yeah, 00:06:27.310 --> 00:06:33.079 and they were good bake rip to our farms and 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:37.740 We hope that you can rebuild and bring that like 00:06:37.740 --> 00:06:39.519 hundred year old building back. I don't know 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:42.019 about this But it's been there for a long time 00:06:42.019 --> 00:06:45.019 used to be hilltop bakery. I think yeah, I think 00:06:45.019 --> 00:06:47.399 that's in there my whole life And well before 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:51.360 then yeah, so all right. What's what's your prompt? 00:06:52.500 --> 00:06:55.259 What close encounter with nature have you had 00:06:55.259 --> 00:06:59.819 we did this a while back, but um for maybe some 00:06:59.819 --> 00:07:03.220 yeah for some new listeners this is the used 00:07:03.220 --> 00:07:05.899 file let me go grab the new award all right well 00:07:05.899 --> 00:07:09.660 while you do that anyway um close encounter encounters 00:07:09.660 --> 00:07:13.300 with nature my most recent one would be the elk 00:07:13.300 --> 00:07:17.100 i almost hit and atlanta last year so we were 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:21.000 going to a kid's camp and atlanta michigan has 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.000 always been known for having elk like they've 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.879 released elk there um and I went there to do 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.180 a kids camp and was really hoping to see one 00:07:30.180 --> 00:07:33.680 but my drive into camp that night we actually 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:37.360 seen an elk and we almost hit it and that was 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:40.939 the first time I've seen an elk in the wild in 00:07:40.939 --> 00:07:46.079 my adult years and it was super cool even if 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.199 it was for a brief second I think I still have 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:50.959 like a five second video of us almost hitting 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:55.449 its ass but that was like my most recent animal 00:07:55.449 --> 00:07:57.870 encounter that i was like really stoked about 00:07:57.870 --> 00:08:00.949 i've been looking and looking to see a moose 00:08:00.949 --> 00:08:03.449 i'd love to see a moose up close in the up but 00:08:03.449 --> 00:08:08.990 this just hasn't happened yet yeah uh my most 00:08:08.990 --> 00:08:11.610 recent nature encounter actually happened in 00:08:11.610 --> 00:08:16.850 a dream um does that count it may as well dude 00:08:16.850 --> 00:08:19.790 i had a dream last night that we're like Mountain 00:08:19.790 --> 00:08:22.949 lions became like super sentient and were like 00:08:22.949 --> 00:08:25.889 hunting us down like it was wild That would be 00:08:25.889 --> 00:08:30.410 scary. It was terrifying. Yeah. Yeah, I think 00:08:30.410 --> 00:08:36.330 that and like If raccoons have become super sentient, 00:08:36.730 --> 00:08:39.590 they would be a problem I think I think they'd 00:08:39.590 --> 00:08:41.629 be a problem, but I think raccoons would just 00:08:41.629 --> 00:08:45.450 want to be friends like Little trash man. Yeah 00:08:45.450 --> 00:08:52.740 with their little opposable thumbs Think they'd 00:08:52.740 --> 00:08:56.740 be like gremlins. What is your most embarrassing 00:08:56.740 --> 00:09:03.360 adventure story? Off the top of my head is probably 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:07.159 the one I had to leave early and leave we did 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.899 a Trip where the kid ended up getting a fever 00:09:11.899 --> 00:09:14.700 and while that wasn't embarrassing. It was the 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:18.799 not having meds to calm the fever we usually 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.559 do, we ran out but I also got stomach poisoning 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:28.759 during that and I had not heard about the magic 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:32.679 pill to stop you from doing that stuff but I 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:36.500 was sweating like I had to puke, I had to take 00:09:36.500 --> 00:09:39.720 poop we did not have established bathrooms yet 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:44.220 I had not, this was before I even got a bucket 00:09:44.220 --> 00:10:16.220 and I was digging holes and it was like every 00:10:16.220 --> 00:10:16.629 five to ten minutes I was out there that was 00:10:16.629 --> 00:10:21.370 uh with ed and a couple other guys yeah yeah 00:10:21.370 --> 00:10:23.610 that was just horrible dude that was that was 00:10:23.610 --> 00:10:25.169 probably the most embarrassing because i felt 00:10:25.169 --> 00:10:29.470 like i quit but i dude i was so much pain and 00:10:29.470 --> 00:10:31.549 stuff it just it was at that point the sienna 00:10:31.549 --> 00:10:33.669 was stressed out the kid was crying all night 00:10:33.669 --> 00:10:36.389 i couldn't like help because i was off going 00:10:36.389 --> 00:10:40.610 to the bathroom all night that was both my most 00:10:40.610 --> 00:10:43.309 embarrassing and probably most stressful camp 00:10:43.309 --> 00:10:46.519 ever And that's including anything that's broken 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:51.080 with me while I've camped. So what about you? 00:10:52.659 --> 00:10:56.139 So the first time I went to Drummond Island with 00:10:56.139 --> 00:10:59.740 Joe Yamber, I also got a little bit of stomach 00:10:59.740 --> 00:11:02.840 issues. And when I got the truck stuck, they 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:06.740 had to get it out while I ran to a tree to take 00:11:06.740 --> 00:11:11.379 care of my problem. Yeah, dude, it's bad. Nobody 00:11:11.379 --> 00:11:16.590 understands IBS, man. it hits you like hits you 00:11:16.590 --> 00:11:19.590 fast dude all of a sudden you're fine and then 00:11:19.590 --> 00:11:22.929 exactly like one second later you could feel 00:11:22.929 --> 00:11:25.450 it knocking on heaven's gate and you're like 00:11:25.450 --> 00:11:29.309 I'm gonna shit myself right now if I if I talk 00:11:29.309 --> 00:11:34.269 wrong I'm gonna shit myself yeah I have you have 00:11:34.269 --> 00:11:39.789 to sit there like a totem pole cheeks rigid and 00:11:39.789 --> 00:11:42.730 just think through the pain and try everything 00:11:42.730 --> 00:11:45.750 in your power not to let it out and then once 00:11:45.750 --> 00:11:47.889 that poop talk yeah and then once that clears 00:11:47.889 --> 00:11:50.549 fucking book it because you never know how much 00:11:50.549 --> 00:11:53.889 time to get all right what's your next card what 00:11:53.889 --> 00:11:59.230 is your favorite camp activity dude chilling 00:11:59.230 --> 00:12:02.210 by the fire i don't i don't like do you mean 00:12:02.210 --> 00:12:05.649 like game or do you like thing to do like chilling 00:12:05.649 --> 00:12:10.220 by the fires yeah it's the 2 a .m Which I rarely 00:12:10.220 --> 00:12:13.840 do much anymore, but like the late night sitting 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:17.240 by the fire Almost everybody, but usually it's 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.120 like everybody, but your closest friends are 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:23.259 asleep And you guys are buddy, but like yeah 00:12:23.259 --> 00:12:25.279 like when it gets down to like the last four 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:28.460 people yeah That's when the real conversations 00:12:28.460 --> 00:12:32.480 come out real conversations the fires loud this 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:35.960 forest is quiet You can usually hear water if 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.720 you're near water It's like the perfect, you 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:42.899 just, there's no babies crying. You just, you 00:12:42.899 --> 00:12:44.940 just lay your head back in the chair with a beer 00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:48.360 and listen to your buddies talk, you know, smoke 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.419 your cigars or whatever. It's just, that's heaven. 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:55.360 I mean - Now winter camping, it's the late nights 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:57.659 around the table hunkered around a heater playing 00:12:57.659 --> 00:13:00.340 cards. Yeah, my favorite, because I've only done 00:13:00.340 --> 00:13:03.679 winter camping once this year, was sitting in 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.169 the tent in my sleeping bag. with my heater vent 00:13:07.169 --> 00:13:10.009 inside my sleeping bag, and talking to Mitch, 00:13:10.710 --> 00:13:13.470 saying goodnight, because I was not - I was done. 00:13:14.309 --> 00:13:16.509 Honestly, the food actually was probably better 00:13:16.509 --> 00:13:21.009 than - I've never felt tingling in my toes, but 00:13:21.009 --> 00:13:23.570 when I ate that food, I felt a little tangle, 00:13:23.730 --> 00:13:27.450 and I was like, ooh, I've never - I've never 00:13:27.450 --> 00:13:29.269 felt like this from eating food. That's just 00:13:29.269 --> 00:13:31.909 - Good snow wheeling, that's how it goes. You 00:13:31.909 --> 00:13:37.590 might only go like a mile the entire day. I wish 00:13:37.590 --> 00:13:40.529 that I had more balls to air down, but I really, 00:13:40.529 --> 00:13:42.490 really didn't want to de -bead in three feet 00:13:42.490 --> 00:13:46.070 of snow. Because I wasn't confident that my jack 00:13:46.070 --> 00:13:48.289 would be able to hold the truck up. You're so 00:13:48.289 --> 00:13:50.210 much less likely to de -bead in that kind of 00:13:50.210 --> 00:13:54.190 snow though. You think? I don't know enough about 00:13:54.190 --> 00:13:57.190 snow wheeling to be confident to drop my PSI. 00:13:58.079 --> 00:14:02.960 What were you down to? Like, 15, 14? Oh shit, 00:14:02.980 --> 00:14:07.299 dude. I go down to like, 6, 7... Yeah, I was 00:14:07.299 --> 00:14:09.740 worried that when I get down to like, 8... I 00:14:09.740 --> 00:14:11.960 just remember Mark debating, and I know it was 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:13.740 different terrain and stuff, but I remember how 00:14:13.740 --> 00:14:18.080 much of a pain it was. That was... Listen. I 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:22.200 love Mark. Mark learned a valuable lesson about 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:25.720 what not to do that day. Well, but I looked at 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.210 that, and I remembered the experience. And then 00:14:28.210 --> 00:14:31.429 I was like, take the mud away, add three feet 00:14:31.429 --> 00:14:34.929 of snow, and my feet are frozen already. I'm 00:14:34.929 --> 00:14:36.490 like, I don't want to have to deal with that. 00:14:36.570 --> 00:14:38.230 It was just me being like, paranoid about it. 00:14:38.409 --> 00:14:42.190 Yeah, I got you. I don't know. I like snow wheeling. 00:14:42.350 --> 00:14:46.889 It's really fun. The only downside is sometimes, 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:49.389 especially here in Michigan, because like, when 00:14:49.389 --> 00:14:51.850 you get out west, and I only have experience 00:14:51.850 --> 00:14:54.389 in the Wachuka Mountains, so I can't speak for 00:14:54.389 --> 00:14:57.220 everywhere. But you might have, like we get six 00:14:57.220 --> 00:14:59.100 foot of snow on top of some of those and it was 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:01.860 great for snowboarding. With that, there was 00:15:01.860 --> 00:15:04.500 like that lighter fluffier stuff that we're used 00:15:04.500 --> 00:15:07.960 to that was like maybe the top layer. Then there 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.000 was like some wet stuff underneath that and then 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.100 solid under that. Yeah. Whereas what we're used 00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:18.059 to is it's so cold usually when we get a heavy 00:15:18.059 --> 00:15:20.799 snowstorm because out there they'll get a snowstorm, 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:25.259 but it'll be like 35 degrees. So, you know, the 00:15:25.259 --> 00:15:27.980 snow is different. Ours, it's negative temps, 00:15:28.779 --> 00:15:33.960 with like, basically sand that melts and changes 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:36.159 as you drive over it. Like, it's a whole different 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:42.059 beast. And it's a lot, I don't want to say it's 00:15:42.059 --> 00:15:46.159 harder to get through that, but it takes three 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:48.220 foot of snow here, I would say is the equivalent 00:15:48.220 --> 00:15:51.120 of like eight or nine foot of snow in the Wachuca 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.070 Mountains. Yeah. Well, the issue is that we had 00:15:54.070 --> 00:15:57.970 no hard pack, no good hard pack at a good layer. 00:15:58.690 --> 00:16:02.529 So we were running. So I say three feet of snow, 00:16:02.590 --> 00:16:05.149 but I'm talking about what we were plowing through, 00:16:05.309 --> 00:16:08.450 not necessarily what was under where our tires 00:16:08.450 --> 00:16:11.629 were. So we were plowing through that three feet 00:16:11.629 --> 00:16:13.490 of snow, which our bumpers were hitting and it 00:16:13.490 --> 00:16:16.769 was slowing us down as we were pushing it. And 00:16:16.769 --> 00:16:20.690 that was three foot of powder. There was no There 00:16:20.690 --> 00:16:24.370 was no like, you know, hard pack layer. There 00:16:24.370 --> 00:16:28.210 was no heavier layer for us to sit on. The hard 00:16:28.210 --> 00:16:32.690 pack was after the three foot of snow. And it 00:16:32.690 --> 00:16:35.649 was about, I don't know. Eight inches, nine inches. 00:16:35.710 --> 00:16:37.330 Yeah, maybe. Because we were digging through 00:16:37.330 --> 00:16:41.470 that even once we started really trying to push 00:16:41.470 --> 00:16:45.049 it through. And I never saw the ground that whole 00:16:45.049 --> 00:16:49.179 time. You know when we because we won't we or 00:16:49.179 --> 00:16:51.559 we went wheeling slash camping that same weekend 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.279 More on the camping side for that weekend, but 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.779 we we actually dug to put our tents in We actually 00:16:57.779 --> 00:17:00.580 dug a square and that square was about four foot 00:17:00.580 --> 00:17:02.840 deep and we were in New Wego So you probably 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:04.839 had four and a half five foot of snow up there 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.000 in Cadillac yeah, I was up over my waist walking 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:11.960 through the to the tree and I looked around turned 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:18.809 at Mitch and I'm like dude Because I'm a 30 inch 00:17:18.809 --> 00:17:24.710 inseam So yeah three feet of snows Like 36 and 00:17:24.710 --> 00:17:27.589 it was over my waist and you guys you were on 00:17:27.589 --> 00:17:29.750 all terrain tires Which already puts you at a 00:17:29.750 --> 00:17:33.089 disadvantage 15 psi each so that was a problem 00:17:33.089 --> 00:17:38.369 and The thing and I know this is it's gonna sound 00:17:38.369 --> 00:17:42.009 crazy. So mud terrains are better in our snow 00:17:42.009 --> 00:17:47.220 than pretty much anything else But, if you daily 00:17:47.220 --> 00:17:49.180 drive the rig, that's where an all -terrain comes 00:17:49.180 --> 00:17:51.039 in, because all -terrains are better on ice. 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:54.759 Having now done triple peak all -terrains and 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:58.200 mud -terrains on ice, it's about the same, honestly. 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.740 I'm gonna be going back to mud -terrains after 00:18:00.740 --> 00:18:03.440 this set of tires just because I haven't really 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.039 gained anything. I lost traction in snow, I lost 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.480 traction in mud, and everything else is the same. 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.599 Yeah, I think I think there's a specific use 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.740 where all terrains really shine and that's shittier 00:18:16.740 --> 00:18:21.539 roads, but ice is ice and at the end of the day 00:18:21.539 --> 00:18:24.539 You have to look at the the basic properties 00:18:24.539 --> 00:18:28.119 of ice and nothing unless you're studded or chained 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:30.720 Yeah, is gonna give you more traction. You can 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:35.000 have more contact patch. That's fine but if you're 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:36.940 slipping you're already slipping and having a 00:18:36.940 --> 00:18:40.519 couple extra inches of contact patch versus A 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.900 mud terrain over a mud terrain isn't gonna help 00:18:42.900 --> 00:18:46.420 you unless you have Maybe snow tires or the really 00:18:46.420 --> 00:18:50.200 soft rubber compound, but yeah, I mean and yeah 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.619 on ice Yeah, there's nothing you can really do 00:18:52.619 --> 00:18:54.519 point your car in the direction You want to go 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:56.460 and if you do get stuck hit it really hard to 00:18:56.460 --> 00:18:59.420 get out Hope you do those those come hoes. I'm 00:18:59.420 --> 00:19:01.700 on now They're triple peak rated and were they 00:19:01.700 --> 00:19:04.400 better in the wintertime on Road than what my 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:06.819 mud drains were yeah, they were I mean hands 00:19:06.819 --> 00:19:08.839 down Yeah, I knew you were driving faster with 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:11.690 those I was like, oh shit, I have to actually 00:19:11.690 --> 00:19:16.130 hit 55. But like, was it worth the trade off 00:19:16.130 --> 00:19:19.529 from what I had when I wasn't on road? I can't 00:19:19.529 --> 00:19:22.829 say that. Even looks, I like I know looks aren't 00:19:22.829 --> 00:19:26.670 as big as a play, but Alex's all terrains versus 00:19:26.670 --> 00:19:31.250 his mud terrains. It almost looked more like 00:19:31.250 --> 00:19:34.369 a street trophy truck than it did a hardcore 00:19:34.369 --> 00:19:38.130 wheeler. You know what? I looked at it as, hey, 00:19:38.230 --> 00:19:40.430 if he gets more traction on road, and he's good 00:19:40.430 --> 00:19:43.769 to go, and he's happy with it, fine. But it definitely 00:19:43.769 --> 00:19:46.789 didn't look as cool. And that's why I tried to 00:19:46.789 --> 00:19:51.789 get meatier all -terrains. I really like my winter 00:19:51.789 --> 00:19:53.789 peaks. I am. I'm really happy with them. I have 00:19:53.789 --> 00:19:56.089 no complaints, really, because I don't do the 00:19:56.089 --> 00:20:00.109 super deep mud. I don't need mud terrains, per 00:20:00.109 --> 00:20:03.430 se. But mud drains are better on rocks. Mud drains 00:20:03.430 --> 00:20:08.450 are better in sand. Well, not deep sand. The 00:20:08.450 --> 00:20:11.130 Cumho's will really shine at like Silver Lake 00:20:11.130 --> 00:20:14.009 over my mud drains. Yeah. Yeah. Altering's do 00:20:14.009 --> 00:20:17.109 better in that deep dune sand, I think. Yeah. 00:20:17.690 --> 00:20:20.410 But, I mean, you have to look at it from use 00:20:20.410 --> 00:20:22.450 case too. Like, what are you actually going to 00:20:22.450 --> 00:20:26.170 be in more? Like, we're barely at the dunes. 00:20:26.349 --> 00:20:30.069 We're barely in anything with Sand that's deeper 00:20:30.069 --> 00:20:33.650 than maybe four or five inches What I actually 00:20:33.650 --> 00:20:36.930 plan on doing is I'm getting a set of steelies 00:20:36.930 --> 00:20:40.589 As soon as my trucks, you know not port I'm gonna 00:20:40.589 --> 00:20:44.670 get a set of steelies. I'm gonna get some inflatable 00:20:44.670 --> 00:20:46.930 Bead locks for them and then I'm gonna get mud 00:20:46.930 --> 00:20:49.470 trains to put on them that way I can run down 00:20:49.470 --> 00:20:52.210 to like zero psi it's a steely so I don't mind 00:20:52.210 --> 00:20:55.210 drilling the extra hole for the bead lock and 00:20:55.210 --> 00:20:58.809 Then I'm gonna keep my old all trains on my nice 00:20:58.809 --> 00:21:01.269 wheels, and I'll throw those on for winter time. 00:21:01.329 --> 00:21:04.130 I'll throw those on. I'm doing any long driving, 00:21:04.150 --> 00:21:06.069 anything like that. But then when I go wheeling, 00:21:06.089 --> 00:21:08.589 I'll put the mud drains back on. It is good to 00:21:08.589 --> 00:21:10.549 have an extra set. Like I said, I'm happy with 00:21:10.549 --> 00:21:14.670 what I got. But if I had more time and space, 00:21:14.970 --> 00:21:17.450 probably I'd probably throw an extra set on. 00:21:17.549 --> 00:21:19.630 There's a couple I passed on Facebook that have 00:21:19.630 --> 00:21:21.250 been like four hundred and fifty dollars for 00:21:21.250 --> 00:21:24.650 a set of tires. Decent tread. I'm like, no, I 00:21:24.650 --> 00:21:28.119 just don't. Have the space for them really and 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:30.420 yeah, I fear that I would just let them they 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:33.700 probably dry rot by the time I got to so if you 00:21:33.700 --> 00:21:36.259 keep them There's stuff you can do to lubricate 00:21:36.259 --> 00:21:38.119 them, which is what I'm gonna do and then tarp 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.119 them Um, so I got a storm outside. I ain't got 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.559 no where to put them inside. Yeah, so maybe my 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:45.380 basement I guess I could put them down there. 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:49.740 That's just where I'll put them. Yeah but yeah, 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:54.359 so I mean I think the more I've tried both at 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:58.420 this point because Up until I got these come 00:21:58.420 --> 00:22:00.279 hoes, I've never had all trains. I've always 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.440 had either mud trains or tires on a sports car. 00:22:03.619 --> 00:22:06.339 You know, I think you're I think you're altering 00:22:06.339 --> 00:22:14.000 to. They look more tame tread wise than. Other 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:17.299 alter like I, I would be curious for you to try 00:22:17.299 --> 00:22:23.250 like. My random Clevers. like the all -terrain 00:22:23.250 --> 00:22:28.230 i ran ko2s before this right ko2s are just as 00:22:28.230 --> 00:22:31.930 aggressive as a kind of clever yeah i i don't 00:22:31.930 --> 00:22:36.970 know ko2s are good in snow sand rocks okay in 00:22:36.970 --> 00:22:40.670 mud not amazing not great on ice yeah well and 00:22:40.670 --> 00:22:45.230 i think ko2 is a very that's a tricky one because 00:22:45.230 --> 00:22:49.529 ko2 you either i think you either like them or 00:22:49.529 --> 00:22:52.640 you hate them Everyone I've talked to who hated 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.759 a ko2 did not have it the right ko2 for their 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:01.359 truck Yeah, and through the FJ forums. It's a 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.059 big split a lot of people hated them a lot of 00:23:04.059 --> 00:23:08.220 people liked them And that was kind of was like 00:23:08.220 --> 00:23:10.259 yeah, I'm good on this because you don't hear 00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:15.599 that as much with wild peaks the dislike is less 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.400 Wild peaks also fell into collapse Really what 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:23.940 it comes down to is that KO2s come in like every 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:27.259 load range. Yeah, I know. Whereas Wild Peaks 00:23:27.259 --> 00:23:30.660 come in two. Well, maybe that's a good thing. 00:23:31.700 --> 00:23:34.119 I don't think so, because if Wild Peaks came 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:37.420 in a load C or load B like KO2s do, they would 00:23:37.420 --> 00:23:40.180 be a much better tire for like your truck, or 00:23:40.180 --> 00:23:45.599 my truck. It'd make them softer, it'd make them 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:49.359 dig easier. Yeah, I think there's good and bads 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:53.299 to that too like softer also softer you don't 00:23:53.299 --> 00:23:57.099 want to be too soft either so I Mean yeah, I 00:23:57.099 --> 00:24:01.240 don't know and the other thing is in well this 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.099 became a tire talk episode real quick uh -huh 00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:06.779 the other thing is that mud drains have thicker 00:24:06.779 --> 00:24:09.480 sidewalls than what an all -terrain does so if 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.279 you're running a mud train you're less likely 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.720 to puncture a sidewall on trail than you are 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:17.339 on an all -terrain just Literally every single 00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:21.019 category except for ice driving mud trains are 00:24:21.019 --> 00:24:26.880 better Yeah And I haven't had enough Experience 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.180 with mud trains have only had like one or two 00:24:29.180 --> 00:24:32.099 trucks with them So I can't really speak on that 00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:35.000 so and again there are shitty There are shitty 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.880 mud trains out there. So like don't take it as 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:40.799 just cuz it's a mud train. It's better But yeah, 00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:43.339 that's the thing too to remember is yeah, there's 00:24:43.259 --> 00:24:47.680 shitty versions of both so just expecting whatever 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.720 tire that you pick up some Kumo mud tire or something 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.980 that it's just gonna be great it might not work 00:24:53.980 --> 00:24:57.079 as well as something else the Kumo all trains 00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:00.059 are honestly phenomenal like I my only qual with 00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:02.359 them is they're not as good in deep snow they 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:06.059 were fine on rock they're okay in mud not as 00:25:06.059 --> 00:25:10.079 good as a mud train but they're okay They don't 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.799 have the aggressive crap hanging off the sidewall, 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:15.700 but other than that they've got similar tread 00:25:15.700 --> 00:25:21.119 design to a wild peak Yeah, they're pretty good 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.619 Yeah, they just don't have aggressive crap hanging 00:25:23.619 --> 00:25:27.559 off the side. That's a big bummer for looks It 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:31.000 is I mean there is there and and not only that 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:36.099 but for sidewall strength to There is it doesn't 00:25:36.099 --> 00:25:37.880 it just rips them off. It doesn't really add 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.670 anything I've read a lot of forums saying that 00:25:41.670 --> 00:25:46.210 having the extra, it's not the whole sidewall, 00:25:46.230 --> 00:25:48.910 but it's that couple inches over it. Yeah. Helps 00:25:48.910 --> 00:25:51.910 from a lot of them tire slipping. They use like, 00:25:51.910 --> 00:25:54.970 well, maybe if you're in mud, but like if you 00:25:54.970 --> 00:25:57.789 look at the KO twos that I was running, all that 00:25:57.789 --> 00:25:59.630 aggressive stuff just got ripped off on rock. 00:26:00.170 --> 00:26:02.849 Yeah. If you look at even marks, even if you 00:26:02.849 --> 00:26:04.970 look at Mark's Baja's, all the aggressive craps 00:26:04.970 --> 00:26:08.710 getting ripped off by rocks. Yeah. Yeah. that 00:26:08.710 --> 00:26:12.529 the way that mark wheels though it's pretty I 00:26:12.529 --> 00:26:15.750 do I can't blame it but you know if you're gonna 00:26:15.750 --> 00:26:18.250 wheel that way and don't be wrong I'm not saying 00:26:18.250 --> 00:26:21.529 they shouldn't be there does help it just it's 00:26:21.529 --> 00:26:23.750 gonna end up chewed up anyway so like does it 00:26:23.750 --> 00:26:28.309 really matter oh that's that's for you to decide 00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:32.109 I've never punctured a sidewall there you go 00:26:32.109 --> 00:26:37.910 you better find some wood to knock on Just did 00:26:37.910 --> 00:26:42.009 the opposite. For the next one, what are some 00:26:42.009 --> 00:26:47.430 tips for maintaining your rig or gear? A sprinkler. 00:26:47.950 --> 00:26:51.509 Yeah, well... Put a sprinkler under your truck 00:26:51.509 --> 00:26:55.289 in the winter. It just flushes the body better 00:26:55.289 --> 00:26:58.750 than any car wash will. Yeah. I don't know if 00:26:58.750 --> 00:27:01.349 this card is asking for tips for certain things 00:27:01.349 --> 00:27:04.930 or not, but for me, I would say like making checklists. 00:27:05.180 --> 00:27:08.720 I have an issue remembering everything, so I 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:12.359 have pre -trip checklists, I have gear checklists, 00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:17.799 I have food checklists, I have spare parts, I 00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.759 have a few different ones that I've made over 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:23.259 the years, you know, while I'm camping I'm sitting 00:27:23.259 --> 00:27:25.299 in my camp chair and I'm like, I should have 00:27:25.299 --> 00:27:27.259 looked at this, I added that into the checklist. 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:29.759 Oh, I should have did this, I added that in. 00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:35.240 I recently have been having the idea I Which 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:37.400 we can't do with printful, but I got to find 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.140 one. I want to make a book We'll call it like 00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:42.400 an adventure book or something like that and 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:45.599 it'll have You know eight or nine pages of the 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.660 same checklist so you can go through each one 00:27:47.660 --> 00:27:52.160 for so many trips It'll have Logs for keeping 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.160 track of your oil stuff like that and it'll all 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.119 be pre filled out So you just have to go through 00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.200 and fill out the lines. Yeah, that wouldn't be 00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:59.700 a bad idea That's something that you could like 00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:02.880 throw in the glove box, too Right, you can look 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.200 at your oil changes or look at the dates where 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:08.099 you worked on something I don't necessarily keep 00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:12.099 all the receipts to track dates. So That would 00:28:12.099 --> 00:28:14.539 be kind of useful for that. But yeah, I mean 00:28:14.539 --> 00:28:19.759 just for maintaining stuff I have lists for maintaining 00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.400 free checks Stuff that I want to look at before 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.019 we go out anywhere. So that gives me the peace 00:28:26.019 --> 00:28:30.099 of mind and that we're gonna be okay and then 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:35.960 I keep everything organized and charged during 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:40.619 slow months. I don't know if you do that really. 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:46.059 Right, he goes, I don't. Everything that I use, 00:28:46.259 --> 00:28:50.160 I use all year round. Yeah. Well, like my, so 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.519 for instance, what I'm not using all year round 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.079 would be during the winter, I don't use my fridge. 00:28:57.500 --> 00:28:59.920 During the summer, I would use the diesel heater, 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:01.940 so I'd probably check out that every once in 00:29:01.940 --> 00:29:05.960 a while. Diesel heater, you probably wouldn't 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:09.359 be bad to let it sit for most of the summer, 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:13.000 but then like late August, early September, try 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.960 and fire it up, make sure it's still working, 00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:18.900 and then just go through it and repair whatever 00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:20.900 needs repaired. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those 00:29:20.900 --> 00:29:23.559 things where like, you don't want to end up going 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.609 and taking something. that you haven't used all 00:29:26.609 --> 00:29:31.329 year expecting it to work and did not run like 00:29:31.329 --> 00:29:38.710 let's say my battery pack my anchor 512 if I 00:29:38.710 --> 00:29:41.309 didn't touch it all year and I threw a charger 00:29:41.309 --> 00:29:43.190 on it just threw it in the truck and expected 00:29:43.190 --> 00:29:47.009 it to run and it doesn't work that's you know 00:29:47.009 --> 00:29:48.589 something you want to maintain and just check 00:29:48.589 --> 00:29:50.609 make sure your things work I turn my fridge on 00:29:50.609 --> 00:29:53.200 every couple of days make sure the battery's 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.420 topped off, make sure the pumps and everything 00:29:55.420 --> 00:29:59.640 are working on it, shut it back off. You know, 00:29:59.660 --> 00:30:03.480 I check my faucet, charge my faucet, my USB -C 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.980 powered camp fan. Anything that's powered by 00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:12.819 USB, USB, USB. I thought you said ESP, and I 00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:16.839 was thinking ESP32, so. I was thinking ESP, like, 00:30:16.980 --> 00:30:22.740 phantoms, like... but yeah no like anything that's 00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:25.079 powered by that stuff I try to have it plugged 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.380 in for you know a couple days and then I'll switch 00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:31.819 out with another product put that back in and 00:30:31.819 --> 00:30:34.799 then you know every two weeks or so I'll re -rotate 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.440 everything just to make sure just to keep the 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:40.839 batteries fresh because there are some batteries 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.660 that if you let them sit for too long they do 00:30:43.660 --> 00:30:47.339 be in to lose effectiveness of charge for the 00:30:47.339 --> 00:30:50.299 amount that we pay for the stuff for the better 00:30:50.299 --> 00:30:52.799 quality stuff here and there or maybe not the 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.259 better quality stuff but in general just the 00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:56.880 amount that i pay i want to make sure everything 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:01.980 works and is best maintained in my building yeah 00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:05.900 i like i said everything that i use camping i 00:31:05.900 --> 00:31:08.859 pretty much use at home so it's not there's nothing 00:31:08.859 --> 00:31:11.779 that isn't getting regularly rotated yeah uh 00:31:11.779 --> 00:31:14.039 most of my stuff runs off power batteries well 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.660 obviously i'm charging or Decharging those all 00:31:16.660 --> 00:31:19.220 the time with my power tools. Mm -hmm. I've got 00:31:19.220 --> 00:31:21.900 a couple of Milwaukee M12s same thing I use them 00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:26.940 for my coats. I use them every day So, I mean 00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:29.119 most things or my headlamp, but I use that on 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.460 the regular That's nice to have around the farm 00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:38.720 Yeah, I've used that DeVos DeVos. That's funny. 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.900 We have a DeVos like medical center around here. 00:31:41.900 --> 00:31:44.369 So That's why I keep getting the word DeVos from, 00:31:44.529 --> 00:31:46.630 because it's spelled the same. It's spelled exactly 00:31:46.630 --> 00:31:48.309 the same. I actually thought it was DeVos the 00:31:48.309 --> 00:31:51.230 first time I saw it. But yeah, I have that DeVos. 00:31:51.309 --> 00:31:56.250 I've used more this year than any other of my 00:31:56.250 --> 00:31:58.930 products, like during the winter. When the power 00:31:58.930 --> 00:32:01.349 goes out, I use it to light my whole kitchen. 00:32:02.269 --> 00:32:04.710 It's that bright that in a house, it'll light 00:32:04.710 --> 00:32:08.630 a whole room easily for hours. I use it when 00:32:08.630 --> 00:32:11.759 I was refinishing all the walls. I used it as 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:16.539 a work light I Use it for everything dude. I 00:32:16.539 --> 00:32:19.319 brought it over to sick Yeah, I brought it over 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.880 to Alex's when we were working on Mark's engine 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:26.160 here the other week I hung it up from the hood 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.180 and Use that as a light for us that we could 00:32:29.180 --> 00:32:32.440 see I mean it works good. That's good quality 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.200 product right there actually worth the money 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:39.299 It is hundred percent All right Get to the next 00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:46.819 one What destinations are overrated? Hmm any 00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:51.420 destination I wouldn't say any destination, but 00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:58.319 I would say Camping state parks are over Like 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.059 national parks. I don't like because I like the 00:33:02.059 --> 00:33:04.539 scenery and the views I wouldn't say any national 00:33:04.539 --> 00:33:07.799 park is overrated per se because there is a reason 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.759 why they're They're there like that. They're 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:14.339 highly rated, but I I would definitely say state 00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:18.819 parks are horribly overrated having having spent 00:33:18.819 --> 00:33:22.680 $160 to stay at turkey run next month. I agree 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:26.500 with you that is overrated as hell yeah, and 00:33:26.500 --> 00:33:28.960 I'm very irritated that that's where they go 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.380 every year it's a trip we do with my stepfather's 00:33:32.380 --> 00:33:35.960 friends and It bothers me. That's where they 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.500 go because I hate spending that kind of money 00:33:37.500 --> 00:33:40.460 to camp in my own gear that I would camp in for 00:33:40.460 --> 00:33:43.440 free Anyway, right. Yeah, that's just gas money 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.220 that you could have used I mean, yep paying for 00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:48.880 any camp spot at less It's like a crazy good 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.099 camp spot. The only the only time that I would 00:33:51.099 --> 00:33:56.039 pay for a camp spot would be if they Required 00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.819 you to pay up front for like a national park 00:33:58.819 --> 00:34:02.200 camp spot on a cliff Like on a good side edge, 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.359 you know what I mean? The only caveat to paying 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.519 for campsites is stupid is if you're on a long 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:10.719 trip And you're in a state that doesn't have 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.039 anywhere for you to camp Yeah, so you pay to 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.820 camp somewhere like we can't we paid 25 bucks 00:34:15.820 --> 00:34:18.079 to camp in Illinois one night, but there's nowhere 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:21.500 to free there isn't yeah Yeah, there's very little 00:34:21.500 --> 00:34:25.039 so like I don't know because I haven't really 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.019 been West but like I don't know if it's all BLM 00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.679 and national forests and stuff, but there are 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.780 some camp spots that I've seen some guys camp 00:34:32.780 --> 00:34:36.340 at that I'm like I literally look at the spot 00:34:36.340 --> 00:34:38.920 and as far as the eye could see you could see 00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.579 mountains of beauty and nature and I look at 00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:43.679 those spots and I'm like if I had to pay for 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.440 it I would for that view it's worth it for the 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:51.179 view but in as far as like your typical overlanding 00:34:51.179 --> 00:34:53.579 spot like you just looking for a nice quiet place 00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:56.360 to pitch the tent for the night that is kind 00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:00.480 of beautiful you know yeah I don't That's extremely 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.099 overrated to go sit at a state park with someone's 00:35:03.099 --> 00:35:08.539 generator. There's a spot just outside of Sierra 00:35:08.539 --> 00:35:10.940 Vista in Carr Canyon. I'll see if I can find 00:35:10.940 --> 00:35:13.539 pictures to share with you. Literally where you're 00:35:13.539 --> 00:35:16.519 camping at, there's just this huge overhang that 00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:20.000 just shows you hundreds of miles of valley before 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.360 the next mountain range. And it is, there's nowhere 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:25.380 else in the world where that view, you know, 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:27.699 that view can only be had there. You know what 00:35:27.699 --> 00:35:29.519 I'm saying? I'm not saying there aren't places 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:35.599 that are prettier, but Yeah, I I think those 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.760 kind of views are worth it those are the Once 00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.039 -in -a -lifetime style views like the views that 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:43.940 you look at you're taking pictures, and you can 00:35:43.940 --> 00:35:47.460 just go wow Those things those are worth seeing 00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:49.039 those are worth paying a little bit of money 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.860 to see I'm okay with that like they're I've seen 00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:55.699 enough videos. I've dreamt up. I dream of doing 00:35:55.699 --> 00:35:59.230 this stuff full -time so like I wouldn't mind 00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:02.309 doing that to see it, but like, our Michigan 00:36:02.309 --> 00:36:05.429 State Park campgrounds, while they are beautiful, 00:36:06.570 --> 00:36:10.530 it's just not my style. Like - There's a handful. 00:36:10.530 --> 00:36:14.769 Yeah. That I'd say are worth paying money for, 00:36:15.409 --> 00:36:20.650 but 90 % of them - During - Yeah, let's - So, 00:36:20.809 --> 00:36:24.150 I would say Lelandahl State Park, right on the 00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:29.650 tip. I like that one. And I'm gonna be used this 00:36:29.650 --> 00:36:32.309 would be the only caveat to what I said, and 00:36:32.309 --> 00:36:38.389 it's gonna be only during Low What would this 00:36:38.389 --> 00:36:43.929 be like? The non -busy times so the least amount 00:36:43.929 --> 00:36:47.090 of people that you can typically get part But 00:36:47.090 --> 00:36:50.389 Lille and all state parks beautiful They had 00:36:50.389 --> 00:36:53.250 us camped under a bunch of cedar trees really 00:36:53.250 --> 00:36:57.360 beautiful area the campsites were gorgeous and 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.619 then the other one that I really really like 00:36:59.619 --> 00:37:03.559 that I have been to in the past was Two Hearted 00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.260 Two Hearted is really pretty beautiful and the 00:37:06.260 --> 00:37:08.219 suspension bridge that they have going out to 00:37:08.219 --> 00:37:12.920 the beach that was like that was the first time 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.000 I went camping with my wife was I took her straight 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.719 all the way up there but all nowhere to Two Hearted 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.860 and that's got a soft spot for me so those would 00:37:20.860 --> 00:37:23.519 be the only couple that I am familiar with off 00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.000 the top of my head that I could say yeah that's 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.320 worth That's worth paying it if there's not a 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.800 ton of people. Keystone Landing on the Asobel 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:37.820 River is absolutely drop -dead gorgeous. I've 00:37:37.820 --> 00:37:39.900 only been there canoeing, so I couldn't drive 00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:44.739 you there, but it's an amazing campground. There's 00:37:44.739 --> 00:37:47.280 this one camp, specifically one site, and that's 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:48.840 the problem with most of your state forests, 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.500 right? There's like one site that's top -tier 00:37:51.500 --> 00:37:53.900 and the rest are just meh. Yeah, and usually 00:37:53.900 --> 00:37:59.590 that site's always taken. So yeah, and so keystone 00:37:59.590 --> 00:38:02.469 landing they've got a site that's right over 00:38:02.469 --> 00:38:06.409 like a 15 foot drop off over the river and it's 00:38:06.409 --> 00:38:08.929 it's all visible and you can you park your canoes 00:38:08.929 --> 00:38:10.849 at the bottom of the hill and then go up the 00:38:10.849 --> 00:38:13.789 hill and can't it's just oh my god, dude, it's 00:38:13.789 --> 00:38:20.690 so pretty well and then pigeon River up in Well 00:38:20.690 --> 00:38:24.820 pigeon River area, I guess. Yep Pigeon River 00:38:24.820 --> 00:38:27.800 their horse camp not so much their actual like 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.320 public campground But their horse campground 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.840 has some of the most beautiful sites you'll ever 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.159 find and even if you don't have horse Horse friends 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.559 don't persecute me for saying this even if you 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.420 don't have horses. It's worth camping there just 00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:43.679 for the views Oh, yeah, you're gonna get gonna 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:48.219 get strong I Know I was gonna say that about 00:38:48.219 --> 00:38:52.420 uh, what is that Shetler's? I grew up in Shetland 00:38:52.420 --> 00:38:56.340 on the summers, but no, I mean, the one thing 00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:59.039 that I would say is really great about Michigan 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:05.119 is that they offer a very large variety of everything 00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:10.019 as far as camping situations. And if you're someone 00:39:10.019 --> 00:39:13.800 who needs water, almost every campsite has water 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:18.360 in Michigan. We have more lakes per mile. You're 00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.639 never more than two miles from a water source 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:23.059 in the state of Michigan. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, 00:39:23.500 --> 00:39:26.300 there's up by Traverse City. We have the I think 00:39:26.300 --> 00:39:31.280 what Manistee going up there. And that there 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.440 are camp spots literally every hundred yards 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.019 or so from each other. It's far enough to where 00:39:39.019 --> 00:39:41.820 you can barely or not see the other person, which 00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:44.760 is fine for me, as long as they're quiet. And 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.719 even here in Nuego County, it's like that in 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.570 Manistee. Yeah, but it's all along the river, 00:39:49.750 --> 00:39:53.150 and it's both sides of the river. And lakes, 00:39:53.289 --> 00:39:55.750 you have beautiful spots around lakes, and then 00:39:55.750 --> 00:39:58.630 you get into the UP, and it's like, you're almost 00:39:58.630 --> 00:40:01.889 guaranteed to find a spot that isn't state campground, 00:40:02.010 --> 00:40:05.889 that is beautiful by water. It's hard not to, 00:40:05.889 --> 00:40:08.949 honestly, in the UP. Really, as long as you're 00:40:08.949 --> 00:40:12.389 West Michigan, Northern Michigan, or the UP, 00:40:13.030 --> 00:40:15.269 there's a beautiful site within five miles of 00:40:15.269 --> 00:40:17.949 you. Oh, absolutely, yeah. As long as you're 00:40:17.949 --> 00:40:20.449 not southwest Michigan or southeast Michigan 00:40:20.449 --> 00:40:23.030 or East Michigan in general really As long as 00:40:23.030 --> 00:40:25.090 you're not in one of those areas once you get 00:40:25.090 --> 00:40:29.110 like where we live north You're always within 00:40:29.110 --> 00:40:31.550 sight of a beautiful campsite. Yep. Some key 00:40:31.550 --> 00:40:37.789 spots would be Cadillac Kingsley Atlanta I love 00:40:37.789 --> 00:40:42.889 Atlanta. I think I Gavin will disagree, but I 00:40:42.889 --> 00:40:44.829 think it's because he lives with blinders, but 00:40:44.829 --> 00:40:47.250 the White Cloud area has some absolutely gorgeous 00:40:47.250 --> 00:40:50.329 campsites. I don't disagree. I just haven't camped 00:40:50.329 --> 00:40:52.989 in White Cloud ever. Is it just you don't have 00:40:52.989 --> 00:40:56.550 much need? You live here, you know? Yeah, I think 00:40:56.550 --> 00:40:58.710 I think it is because I live here that I want 00:40:58.710 --> 00:41:02.730 to go and see other things then. But I mean, 00:41:02.849 --> 00:41:04.230 some of these trips that we're going to have 00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:05.969 coming up this summer and probably going to do 00:41:05.969 --> 00:41:09.909 more local to we don't have a crazy budget. Yeah. 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.400 That's the big thing for us is budget this year. 00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:14.780 So we're going to be doing a lot more local. 00:41:14.940 --> 00:41:19.719 I think we have like maybe one, we have one five 00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.760 day trip that we're trying to plan, uh, that'll 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.199 be out of state. And then we have Benji's trip 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.340 that's out of state. But other than that, everything's 00:41:27.340 --> 00:41:30.699 going to be pretty much local. Yeah. All right. 00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:33.300 You want to grab another card? This would probably 00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:36.960 be, depending on the topic, our last one. Uh, 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.300 this is a little probably a more than likely 00:41:38.300 --> 00:41:42.349 be our last one. What do you do when you are 00:41:42.349 --> 00:41:46.190 not on an adventure? Alright, we're gonna get 00:41:46.190 --> 00:41:51.829 another card. Yeah, I prep and watch other people 00:41:51.829 --> 00:41:55.550 for the next... I go to work, and I struggle 00:41:55.550 --> 00:41:57.809 through, and I watch people adventure, and I 00:41:57.809 --> 00:42:02.809 play games about adventuring, and then I go to 00:42:02.809 --> 00:42:05.070 bed, and then I wake up, and I watch videos about 00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:09.010 people adventuring, and then I go to work. Dude, 00:42:09.050 --> 00:42:12.130 all day, I've got enough off road podcasts at 00:42:12.130 --> 00:42:14.110 this point that that's almost all I listen to. 00:42:14.329 --> 00:42:16.949 Yeah, it's not a super big exaggeration to say 00:42:16.949 --> 00:42:22.050 that in our own ways, we eat, breathe and sleep 00:42:22.050 --> 00:42:27.429 adventure of this style. That's all we do. I 00:42:27.429 --> 00:42:30.449 mean, when not just when we're on podcasts, but 00:42:30.449 --> 00:42:32.349 when we're off podcasts and we're talking to 00:42:32.349 --> 00:42:35.429 each other, it's always a Facebook build for 00:42:35.429 --> 00:42:37.869 a rig. You're right. Like it's always a trailer 00:42:37.869 --> 00:42:41.210 build. You go through our group chat. When it's 00:42:41.210 --> 00:42:44.389 active, it's been dead. Yeah. And it's always, 00:42:44.530 --> 00:42:46.449 it's always some kind of Facebook build. Oh, 00:42:46.469 --> 00:42:48.369 this would be a cool truck to drive or this would 00:42:48.369 --> 00:42:51.869 be a cool truck to... Did you see that $13 ,000 00:42:51.869 --> 00:42:54.289 two bay bathroom I said earlier? Yeah, I did. 00:42:54.750 --> 00:42:56.849 Yeah, this would be a sweet bathroom. It's like 00:42:56.849 --> 00:43:02.369 a she shed, uh, with a bathroom in a sink. Two 00:43:02.369 --> 00:43:05.489 of them. Yeah. Two bay, two, two. It was really 00:43:05.489 --> 00:43:08.139 cool. Yeah, it was cool. It wasn't like, most 00:43:08.139 --> 00:43:10.099 of them are like white and just basic, this one 00:43:10.099 --> 00:43:13.219 had like wood paneling. Yeah, it was very 80s 00:43:13.219 --> 00:43:16.820 -esque. Like 80s, uh, camper build. But yeah, 00:43:16.820 --> 00:43:19.579 it was cool. But for $13 ,000, I'll shit in the 00:43:19.579 --> 00:43:22.059 woods. There ain't no way in hell. No, you couldn't. 00:43:22.300 --> 00:43:24.260 And you know that thing's gonna be unstable as 00:43:24.260 --> 00:43:27.119 fuck too. Oh yeah, no. I got a trail. It was 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:30.280 a two wheel trailer, like, super short wheelbase. 00:43:31.420 --> 00:43:33.539 I mean, that doesn't make it unstable on a trail. 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.559 Well, doesn't it make it unstable on the highway? 00:43:35.820 --> 00:43:38.380 Like, really short trailers, two wheels. Not 00:43:38.380 --> 00:43:41.440 really. The big problem with that one, it just 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:43.960 wasn't set up right. Yeah. I think usually what 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.260 you see is like, those being really wobbly on 00:43:46.260 --> 00:43:48.760 the highway. Only for people that don't know 00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:51.340 how to drive with them. Yeah, well, that's a 00:43:51.340 --> 00:43:54.340 big amount of people. Uh, fair warning, this 00:43:54.340 --> 00:43:59.659 is a adventure. After Dark card. What is the 00:43:59.659 --> 00:44:03.539 swinger sign in the adventure community? I think 00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:05.719 we're gonna need a new card, but I give you the 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.000 quick one of this. It's still the pineapple. 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.179 It's always been the upside down. Yeah, I'm pretty 00:44:11.179 --> 00:44:14.960 sure it will always be an upside down pineapple. 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.159 I don't see any swingers when I'm wheeling. That 00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:21.719 is not as prevalent. Maybe I do and they just 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.000 don't tell me. Yeah, it's not as prevalent as 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.980 Florida makes it out to be. I think Florida is 00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:29.880 really a swing state in more than one way. How 00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:31.980 do you stay cool in the summer and warm in the 00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:33.300 winter? Alright, this is a card we can go in 00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:41.539 on. Always shorts, no shoes in the summer. I 00:44:41.539 --> 00:44:44.500 almost never wear shoes in the summer when I'm 00:44:44.500 --> 00:44:48.860 camping. Always shorts, always a t -shirt. I 00:44:48.860 --> 00:44:51.199 always wear black, but it's obviously not a good 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:55.739 choice for the summer. And then I have, you want 00:44:55.739 --> 00:44:59.320 a tent with really good ventilation. That's the 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:04.099 big one. Yep, you want a Good and you can even 00:45:04.099 --> 00:45:07.739 face your tent towards the wind for better You 00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:08.940 know, it's something you might want to think 00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:12.880 of if it's 90 degrees or Buy yourself a tent 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.119 that can have take wind ventilation from all 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:19.420 four corners. That's true, too. Yep and then 00:45:19.420 --> 00:45:24.340 also a good fan really could make it or break 00:45:24.340 --> 00:45:28.250 it 100 % Even a cheap fan is better than no fan. 00:45:28.929 --> 00:45:33.309 I think Alex has my other fan, but the fans we 00:45:33.309 --> 00:45:36.869 had before that went off of D batteries, which 00:45:36.869 --> 00:45:40.730 then I had to carry D batteries. But that was, 00:45:41.349 --> 00:45:44.050 it was an okay fan, but the wind power between 00:45:44.050 --> 00:45:48.130 that one and this one, plus this one oscillates 00:45:48.130 --> 00:45:53.309 and stuff, this one is miles better. Like miles 00:45:53.309 --> 00:45:57.690 better. And, like, if you're really bougie, you 00:45:57.690 --> 00:46:00.550 can get, like, an AC, or you can make, like, 00:46:00.550 --> 00:46:06.170 a swamp cooler. You can, like, tube your, uh, 00:46:06.750 --> 00:46:09.130 what is it, tube into a cooler or something and 00:46:09.130 --> 00:46:12.809 have that ice water get pushed into your tent, 00:46:12.909 --> 00:46:14.929 but, I don't know, just... That doesn't last 00:46:14.929 --> 00:46:18.469 very long. No, and you'd waste ice. And, like, 00:46:18.530 --> 00:46:22.090 you can do an AC if you're really... Michigan, 00:46:22.349 --> 00:46:24.730 I think there isn't really a good place for AC, 00:46:24.869 --> 00:46:27.690 unless you're... Like, there have been some crazy 00:46:27.690 --> 00:46:31.050 hot nights where I wish I had it, but... Like, 00:46:31.070 --> 00:46:33.530 you're not gonna die. You're always gonna survive 00:46:33.530 --> 00:46:37.230 it. It's like... I've had some warm nights. Generally, 00:46:37.269 --> 00:46:40.030 if it's a warm night, I just... I have, like, 00:46:40.150 --> 00:46:44.630 maybe a sheet. Not even. I sleep in my fucking 00:46:44.630 --> 00:46:48.449 underwear. Yeah, I sleep straight in my underwear. 00:46:49.110 --> 00:46:51.010 Oh, you wear underwear? Yeah, I don't even make 00:46:51.010 --> 00:46:53.730 that for her. Oh yeah. If I have to run out of 00:46:53.730 --> 00:46:54.949 the tent in the middle of the night for some 00:46:54.949 --> 00:46:56.489 reason, I at least want to have underwear on, 00:46:57.230 --> 00:47:00.349 but... I generally, if it's hot out, I generally 00:47:00.349 --> 00:47:04.849 sleep nude, with just my end vents open facing 00:47:04.849 --> 00:47:07.289 the wind so it's blowing through my tent, and 00:47:07.289 --> 00:47:10.630 then I keep my PT shorts next to me so that if 00:47:10.630 --> 00:47:15.969 I have to go out, I just... Yep. Yeah. Really 00:47:15.969 --> 00:47:19.539 interested to see how this... gazelle vents in 00:47:19.539 --> 00:47:25.519 the summer because i it won't vent as well as 00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:30.260 the dagger i know that for sure just the windows 00:47:30.260 --> 00:47:33.039 there's not a ton of windows um the top will 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.099 vent if i take the fly off but if it's raining 00:47:36.099 --> 00:47:39.619 you're fucked yeah so just for venting i only 00:47:39.619 --> 00:47:42.599 have those windows on the side really on both 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.920 of my other tents they were pretty much mesh 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:49.840 um Anything over like a foot and a half? That's 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:52.280 the part of the issue with going to a four season. 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:56.320 Yeah, I think that it's gonna be a worth it worthwhile 00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:01.239 Endeavor though. I mean I do I can definitely 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.420 say if I'm camping in the summer I prefer to 00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:06.940 camp in my light fighter than I do in my swag 00:48:06.940 --> 00:48:10.780 Yeah, yeah, that's the I I understand that it's 00:48:10.780 --> 00:48:15.320 gonna retain heat more but I really It's one 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.320 of those sacrifices that I'm like, I'm okay with 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.980 sweating my ass off through the night, as long 00:48:20.980 --> 00:48:24.119 as that, when winter comes, I know that I'm good. 00:48:24.860 --> 00:48:27.739 But even the Light Fighter though, I'm looking 00:48:27.739 --> 00:48:30.639 at replacing that. I'm going more to like a bivvy 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.480 style for my individual camp setup, just because 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.579 I want something I just unroll and I'm done. 00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.320 I don't want to have to actually take time to 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.980 set anything up. You know, I kinda got spoiled 00:48:41.980 --> 00:48:44.219 with the swag because it's like instant setup 00:48:44.219 --> 00:48:50.440 almost. So I'm gonna replicate that across. Yeah, 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:53.659 I think... I know that it's gonna take a learning 00:48:53.659 --> 00:48:56.260 curve for me to get used to a large tent like 00:48:56.260 --> 00:48:59.099 this in the weight. This is the heaviest tent 00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:03.639 I've ever had. What's it weigh? Like 65 pounds. 00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.039 It's heavier than my swag? Yeah, dude. This thing's 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:13.440 big. And the package weight is 70 .8 pounds. 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.460 Dude, my package weight is 45 pounds. Yeah, this 00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:21.519 thing is a beast. And I remember talking to Alex 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.760 about like, yeah, you're right, it's not that 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.519 big of a deal taking it off the middle of the 00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.380 roof. But now I'm like, I have to - No, I'm - 00:49:28.380 --> 00:49:31.440 Fuck that. I have to reach across the middle 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.639 of my roof to grab this, arms fully extended. 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.409 Dude, no. I'm like, so they make these gazelle 00:49:38.409 --> 00:49:41.769 cradles. Yeah. We'll have to get you some of 00:49:41.769 --> 00:49:43.429 those and mount them on the side of your roof 00:49:43.429 --> 00:49:48.070 rack so that you just. Because that's or I'm 00:49:48.070 --> 00:49:52.309 going to my other idea was to I can't do that. 00:49:52.849 --> 00:49:55.110 I'm going to have to. I think what I'm going 00:49:55.110 --> 00:49:57.150 to do, I'm going to do like the I'm going to 00:49:57.150 --> 00:50:01.670 get two fire extinguisher mounts, the ones that 00:50:01.670 --> 00:50:04.010 are circular that you can mount straight down 00:50:04.010 --> 00:50:07.039 and. And maybe I'll just mount it to the fucking 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.519 side of my truck. Or maybe when I restructure 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:12.199 my truck, I'll leave space for the inside on 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:13.900 the bottom. I wouldn't do that, because it'd 00:50:13.900 --> 00:50:16.800 be almost more annoying to have to drag it out 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.119 from inside the truck than it would be to just 00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:21.480 grab it and roll it off the roof. Yeah. No, I 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.139 think if you... I wouldn't do the fire extinguisher 00:50:24.139 --> 00:50:25.840 thing. I definitely wouldn't hang it off the 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:29.840 side. I would put one of your boxes in the front 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.880 to block any limbs from hitting it. Get those 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.480 gazelle mounts. they're like 200 bucks i'll pay 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.719 for part of it i don't care i want i want this 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.059 to be a tent that's protected for you damn it 00:50:40.059 --> 00:50:43.460 um so get those mount those on your roof rack 00:50:43.460 --> 00:50:45.260 so you can just set the gazelle in the cradle 00:50:45.260 --> 00:50:48.340 pull the straps tight it's done yeah and when 00:50:48.340 --> 00:50:50.519 you have to get it off you just grab the strap 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.920 pull it down on top of you we'll see i'm gonna 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.840 do it a few times and once i figure out how much 00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.960 i hate it or don't end it then i'll go over there 00:50:59.960 --> 00:51:03.539 you know But, I know it's not gonna be all that 00:51:03.539 --> 00:51:05.340 great, and Sienna won't be able to grab it, so 00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:07.880 I'll definitely have to, but... I bet you can't 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.059 just roll it off the roof like I do with the 00:51:10.059 --> 00:51:14.820 swag. There's like no impact. Yeah, I mean, in 00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:19.860 the future, I will reduce my boxes, number of 00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:26.039 them. So, in driver's side, I might have... I 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:28.960 might not have any boxes on driver's side or 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:31.420 something, so I might... that might be what I 00:51:31.420 --> 00:51:34.599 weigh, you know, balance the weight with. Yeah. 00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.400 But, you know, for now I, I'm just going to take 00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.179 it. There are gives and takes to getting a tent 00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:46.480 that you want, um, with everything or all the 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:51.440 features. So my, my, my takes were that it's 00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:53.820 going to be 70 fucking pounds and it's going 00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:58.059 to be, you know, four and a half, five feet long. 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.659 So without betting Well, you know what? I'm honestly 00:52:02.659 --> 00:52:05.659 hoping out of this I think it's gonna be bigger 00:52:05.659 --> 00:52:09.219 than what I had thought which is maybe good and 00:52:09.219 --> 00:52:12.699 bad, but I think what I'm Hoping they get out 00:52:12.699 --> 00:52:15.760 of this is sturdiness. I'm hoping that they built 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.980 it heavy enough to withstand Like full winner 00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:23.280 and stuff like that. So I'm hoping to get a really 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:27.179 good level of sturdiness out of this and That's 00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:30.710 good peace of mind This was not a cheap tent, 00:52:30.829 --> 00:52:35.170 guys. This is $1 ,000 for a tent. This is probably, 00:52:35.829 --> 00:52:39.530 for a ground tent, one of the most expensive 00:52:39.530 --> 00:52:43.110 ground tents on the market. One of them. Well, 00:52:43.289 --> 00:52:49.769 I say, maybe... Top 20, I would say. For overlanding 00:52:49.769 --> 00:52:52.230 and camping, I would bring that back into like 00:52:52.230 --> 00:52:56.800 top 5 to 10. Originally, $1 ,200 tent. You've 00:52:56.800 --> 00:53:00.219 got the Alakanak, which is, if you get the 10 00:53:00.219 --> 00:53:02.860 by 10 one, you're looking at like four. You've 00:53:02.860 --> 00:53:05.440 got... Well, are we talking overlanding or just 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:08.659 like camping in general? I would count an Alakanak 00:53:08.659 --> 00:53:10.699 could easily be an overland type camp. Like a 00:53:10.699 --> 00:53:14.000 take down, put up every night tent? You could, 00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:17.360 if you had a reason to use an Alakanak, yes. 00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:19.599 Because you're going to be fitting six to seven 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:21.619 people in there. It's only going to take you 00:53:21.619 --> 00:53:23.659 10 to 15 minutes with six to seven people to 00:53:23.659 --> 00:53:25.800 set that tent up. Yeah. I'm assuming this is 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:30.559 a massive campus tarp. 10. I mean, they're like 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:34.699 10 by 15, like they're big. Yeah. So, but yeah, 00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:39.880 I've found small. Yeah, I'm talking. Like the 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:43.820 Overland camping style, that's that's almost 00:53:43.820 --> 00:53:48.219 like base camp style, but but yeah, no, I mean, 00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:52.320 it's one of the most expensive. in the over landing 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.400 market for sure. Like shift pods are about the 00:53:54.400 --> 00:54:01.000 same price. Um, FSR same price. I mean, it's 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:05.380 $700 more than the typical gazelle. So you, I 00:54:05.380 --> 00:54:07.960 mean, it costs you more for that than it cost 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.860 me for my two swags. Yeah. Yeah. Three swags 00:54:10.860 --> 00:54:14.059 throw in the dog swag. Yeah. This is a massive 00:54:14.059 --> 00:54:18.780 purchase and this was not made lightly, but it 00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:23.460 was also experimental. like I finally have gotten 00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:25.699 to a place to where like I can afford a thousand 00:54:25.699 --> 00:54:30.000 dollar tent and it was the right time right place 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.280 I got a good discount on it it was a little less 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:35.340 than a thousand dollars now I think I paid eight 00:54:35.340 --> 00:54:41.019 fifty for it a nine maybe but you know here there's 00:54:41.019 --> 00:54:44.840 close enough that's a lot and I'm really interested 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:49.159 and if all goes well and I can really get some 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.860 time maybe away from the kid this week, I could 00:54:51.860 --> 00:54:56.139 potentially be the first person to, on YouTube 00:54:56.139 --> 00:54:59.940 at all, to do a review of. The only videos on 00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:02.599 this tent right now are from Gazelle and they're 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.880 just a showcase video. They're not in depth, 00:55:04.900 --> 00:55:07.699 they're not a walkthrough. I'm also going to 00:55:07.699 --> 00:55:09.900 bring this tent to the first ever Rigs and Coffee 00:55:09.900 --> 00:55:12.679 that we have this year, which is in a park. Did 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.619 you see that? It is. That's cool. So I'm going 00:55:15.619 --> 00:55:18.199 to bring it to the park, showcase that a little 00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:21.719 bit, not to show off, but to show other people 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.360 what it is, because I've had a few people, because 00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:27.420 I've mentioned it on a few different pages, I've 00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:30.199 had a few people ask me questions about it. So 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.780 I can't really tell you. So, but yeah, it'll 00:55:34.780 --> 00:55:37.219 be interesting. Maybe I'll have Alex on the video, 00:55:37.539 --> 00:55:41.159 come YouTube and we can measure it. We can look 00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:42.980 through it. He can tell me what he likes that 00:55:42.980 --> 00:55:45.610 maybe doesn't like on it. is at that point it's 00:55:45.610 --> 00:55:48.289 already bought it'll be here tomorrow like so 00:55:48.289 --> 00:55:51.829 they're not gonna do it by now it's a pretty 00:55:51.829 --> 00:55:54.250 bang solid looking then dude like i'm i'm excited 00:55:54.250 --> 00:55:58.690 for you yeah if i if i wanted something bigger 00:55:58.690 --> 00:56:01.409 i would have went i don't know i i'm pretty happy 00:56:01.409 --> 00:56:03.449 with the swag just because it's like it's a one 00:56:03.449 --> 00:56:04.889 and done kind of thing you know what i mean you 00:56:04.889 --> 00:56:08.409 just you put it down it's ready to go but then 00:56:08.409 --> 00:56:12.409 at the same time there's it'd be nice to have 00:56:12.409 --> 00:56:16.320 more space Yeah That's really it really spate 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:17.960 being able to stand up would be pretty killer. 00:56:18.340 --> 00:56:21.400 Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for and This is 00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:25.320 bordering on the line of gazebo This is it is 00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:28.119 it is it's like what this is uh what what's the 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:34.159 dimensions on the thing? Oh? Go look it up, but 00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:38.500 yeah, no this is my country t5 right yep Let's 00:56:38.500 --> 00:56:44.510 see I got it right here dementia Uh, 114 inches 00:56:44.510 --> 00:56:51.050 by 114 by 795. 137 by 137 by 795. Oh, floor width. 00:56:51.269 --> 00:56:53.530 Yes, floor width. Yes. Sorry, I was looking at 00:56:53.530 --> 00:56:56.750 just product dimension. How tall is that in feet? 00:56:59.309 --> 00:57:02.869 I don't know. I mean, that's literally the size 00:57:02.869 --> 00:57:08.250 of our canopy. Yeah, that's big. That's almost 00:57:08.250 --> 00:57:11.989 too big. It's 12 by 12. Yeah. No. You're gonna 00:57:11.989 --> 00:57:14.829 really like the extra space once you get used 00:57:14.829 --> 00:57:20.550 to it. It would be worth you getting a full -size 00:57:20.550 --> 00:57:24.309 or queen -size cot, because it will make your 00:57:24.309 --> 00:57:26.750 life a lot better being able to sit up. Just 00:57:26.750 --> 00:57:31.030 don't get one of those crazy big ones. No, I 00:57:31.030 --> 00:57:33.590 don't plan on it. I don't even plan on getting 00:57:33.590 --> 00:57:38.409 a cot this year. That may come into in the future. 00:57:38.449 --> 00:58:12.320 Try it? I just - to change or sitting to... It's 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:14.980 nice when you wake up and you just kind of swing 00:58:14.980 --> 00:58:17.019 off and put your boots on and you don't have 00:58:17.019 --> 00:58:22.460 to... It's nice to be off the ground. You're 00:58:22.460 --> 00:58:25.519 muted, by the way. Yeah, and this one's big enough 00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:30.619 that when I get up or go to bed at night, I can 00:58:30.619 --> 00:58:33.920 just throw the camp chairs and still set up. 00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:36.900 So I get up in the morning, I can just sit down, 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.599 put my boots on on the camp chairs and I have 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.500 no problem with laying on the ground. Uh, like 00:58:42.500 --> 00:58:46.519 I said, I sleep very well. Um, some of my best 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:50.599 sleep ever has been on that camp pad. So I have 00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:55.300 no issues with that. Is I've slept on my camp 00:58:55.300 --> 00:58:57.280 pad on the ground. I've slept on it on a cot. 00:58:57.679 --> 00:58:59.960 I'll tell you, you throw that camp pad on a cot. 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.980 It's a whole nother level. It's the same comfort 00:59:02.980 --> 00:59:18.969 you get on the ground. the space that it would 00:59:18.969 --> 00:59:36.139 take more on these but yeah for me it's just 00:59:36.139 --> 00:59:41.380 my l5 and it's only that only gets bad if I strain 00:59:41.380 --> 00:59:44.059 it doing like like for instance this winter when 00:59:44.059 --> 00:59:46.320 I was pulling winch all day I kept straining 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:48.019 it because I was twisting my body and pulling 00:59:48.019 --> 00:59:51.539 but for the most part during camping I have no 00:59:51.539 --> 00:59:54.579 issues with that so getting up is just like getting 00:59:54.579 --> 00:59:57.019 up off the floor any other time so I don't really 00:59:57.019 --> 01:00:00.840 have any issues it and at some point I have to 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:06.659 go Am I being lazy? And like, and for you, I 01:00:06.659 --> 01:00:08.579 get it because your knees hurt. That makes sense 01:00:08.579 --> 01:00:12.400 for you. But for me, it's like, yeah, why? I 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:14.639 don't want to, I don't feel like there's just 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.380 no point. Like for me, there's so much more point 01:00:17.380 --> 01:00:19.320 than you realize. You'd have, you'd have to try 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.300 it. I mean, I've done hot camping before, but 01:00:22.300 --> 01:00:24.780 it was on the army cots. I didn't love them. 01:00:25.019 --> 01:00:27.059 Um, we probably didn't have pads on them either. 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.780 No, I didn't. I just had the sleeping bag. Sleeping 01:00:29.780 --> 01:00:32.480 on a straight army cot is not a great experience. 01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.239 Yeah. I loved hammock camping, but you can't 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.460 hammock camp with like your wife and kids stuff. 01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.920 Just get one of those Haven Nest. I thought about 01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:47.780 it. I did like 600 bucks. Yeah, I know. I've 01:00:47.780 --> 01:00:50.579 thought about it. Then you need three trees and 01:00:50.579 --> 01:00:54.059 like two. Right. Haven's Nest only needs two. 01:00:54.099 --> 01:00:57.980 Right. And. But at that point to like you start 01:00:57.980 --> 01:01:01.000 to limit yourself to only being so like let's 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:05.760 say We're talking Labor Day. There's no trees 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.340 You put it between two trucks Yeah, I would have 01:01:09.340 --> 01:01:11.480 to find someone with a truck that would be okay 01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:14.000 with putting it right between their truck, but 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:18.420 yeah The Haven's Nest was in the running for 01:01:18.420 --> 01:01:20.780 when I got a new tent Yeah, but the thing that 01:01:20.780 --> 01:01:23.480 kept me from doing it was the limiting, you know, 01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:26.599 where can I use this? um yeah I mean that's really 01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:29.960 the downside to a hammock too and the great side 01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:32.500 is I can have a hammock in my truck at any point 01:01:32.500 --> 01:01:35.719 it's super small and compact yep and I'm a big 01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:40.039 guy I'm at least 320 and I can jump in my hammock 01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.380 with no you know no worries that I'm gonna rip 01:01:42.380 --> 01:01:45.900 through it or anything so that's nice to be able 01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:48.500 to just set up it makes a great camp chair a 01:01:48.500 --> 01:01:51.940 good napping area so I just have one sit in my 01:01:51.940 --> 01:01:55.960 truck anyway but I don't know. I can't sleep 01:01:55.960 --> 01:02:00.059 in a hammock. I'll be honest. I can but it's 01:02:00.059 --> 01:02:01.940 it's uh, it's one of those things where it's 01:02:01.940 --> 01:02:04.579 like It's definitely a one -person deal. Like 01:02:04.579 --> 01:02:08.199 I'm not I can't I can't double up on a can't 01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:11.820 in a hammock. I tried that I could I can sleep 01:02:11.820 --> 01:02:13.980 in the hammocks that have like a solid base like 01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:16.539 the Haven's Nest Yeah, and I could share something 01:02:16.539 --> 01:02:20.280 like a Haven's Nest But the problem comes down 01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:24.760 to that's more money for Just a tent that I hang 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:26.900 in the tree like that's not it's not worth it 01:02:26.900 --> 01:02:31.280 Yeah, and it like it limits you so yeah it but 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:35.320 all right on that note We need to roll into our 01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:41.019 our new Segment here So we're gonna go to Shane 01:02:41.019 --> 01:02:46.920 for sports no We're gonna start doing like Recaps 01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:49.400 of races every week not every week, but every 01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:51.699 week. There's a race. We'll do a recap of races 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.480 One of the guys from botches is really big into 01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:58.059 f1 So as the f1 season goes on he's gonna do 01:02:58.059 --> 01:03:01.780 a little 10 to 15 minute recap of the f1 race 01:03:01.780 --> 01:03:05.719 I'll try to always put them at the end or Mark 01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.599 them so you can skip it if you're not a fan of 01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:14.780 fun fast cars But you know is what it is so we'll 01:03:14.780 --> 01:03:17.260 go to Shane with the sports and then we'll see 01:03:17.260 --> 01:03:21.260 you guys later Well, hold on We got one more 01:03:21.389 --> 01:03:23.829 we have a radio chatter we want you guys to call 01:03:23.829 --> 01:03:29.190 in on yep we do want that so excuse me if you 01:03:29.190 --> 01:03:31.630 can hear my kid crying in the background but 01:03:31.630 --> 01:03:34.369 um yeah he's gonna pull a radio chatter card 01:03:34.369 --> 01:03:36.130 and this is gonna be a prompt for you guys to 01:03:36.130 --> 01:03:38.630 call in on voicemail leave us a message with 01:03:38.630 --> 01:03:41.309 the answer to the card all right let me know 01:03:41.309 --> 01:03:45.210 when you find one so what piece of gear has been 01:03:45.210 --> 01:03:48.750 the biggest disappointment for you oh that's 01:03:48.750 --> 01:03:51.389 a good one I'm interested. We're going to throw 01:03:51.389 --> 01:03:54.769 this prompt on our page too. Alex is going to 01:03:54.769 --> 01:03:56.690 take a picture of it and we'll post it on our 01:03:56.690 --> 01:03:59.429 Instagrams with our phone number and we'll see 01:03:59.429 --> 01:04:01.409 if we can get you guys to call in and tell us 01:04:01.409 --> 01:04:03.590 your biggest disappointment and gear that you've 01:04:03.590 --> 01:04:07.590 had yet. So with that, anything else? Finishing 01:04:07.590 --> 01:04:10.869 comments? No, we'll hand it on over to Shane. 01:04:11.349 --> 01:04:15.409 All right. Yeah, Shane. See you later. Have fun. 01:04:17.170 --> 01:04:20.659 Well. Typical botches fashion. I recorded with 01:04:20.659 --> 01:04:24.920 Shane. There's a great a great recap on the race 01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:27.400 went way longer than planned about 35 minutes 01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:33.039 and I Had some interjections and I lost half 01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.559 the audio. I don't know what happened there Typical 01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:40.460 botched job of I was busy. I didn't save something. 01:04:40.460 --> 01:04:44.539 They got lost but Shane did a great job I think 01:04:44.539 --> 01:04:47.940 we're gonna the next Episode we'll get one in 01:04:47.940 --> 01:04:52.780 there. It'll be a little more clean cut Yeah 01:04:52.780 --> 01:04:55.980 basics of it Formula is great. And the only thing 01:04:55.980 --> 01:04:58.860 that sucks is that they went to Apple TV. So 01:04:58.860 --> 01:05:02.579 it's hard for me to watch so Sorry listeners 01:05:02.579 --> 01:05:06.059 We'll try this again. We got a kind of clean 01:05:06.059 --> 01:05:08.619 it up I shouldn't have said we were gonna do 01:05:08.619 --> 01:05:11.239 a new segment without doing a test record first 01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:14.480 But by the end of this year, you will be getting 01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:16.980 race recaps at some point, whether it's a whole 01:05:16.980 --> 01:05:20.219 nother podcast that we launch alongside. We might 01:05:20.219 --> 01:05:23.340 do that. It might actually be better. We'll see. 01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:27.300 But either way, it's a good episode. Shane did 01:05:27.300 --> 01:05:31.719 a great job. I'm so sorry, Shane. You're really 01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:34.219 your recap was amazing. And I really think that 01:05:34.219 --> 01:05:37.619 a second podcast might be the way to go. But 01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:39.139 we'll we'll catch you guys later.