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Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Do we even have

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a topic for today? Of course we do. We always

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have topics. Yeah, we're going to talk about...

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Let's check for voicemails. Yes. That's usually

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our running go -to here. Yeah, so please send

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in voicemails because we love them. Oh, here,

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before you do this, because if I forget, I won't

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remember to ask later, when we go on trips, is

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there anything you take back with you? Like,

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for instance, wow, I bit my own tongue saying

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that. For instance, my wife takes back rocks,

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and we like stickers from tourist shops. Like,

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if I find a really cool leaf or some shit, I'll

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bring it back. Do you guys ever do anything like

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that? Is it something you do every trip, or is

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it just when you find something cool? I mean,

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if I find a cool -ass rock, I'm taking the cool

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-ass rock. Yeah. For me, when it comes to rocks,

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I think it's the first ever time doing it. I've

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been to Drummond so many times, I haven't done

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rocks, but I did rocks the first time. Yeah.

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Yeah. I like when we were on. We brought home

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some more fossils every time. Yeah. Except the

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last time. It varies. Because I remember the

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second time we went, I dove for that rock. Yeah,

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I remember you talking about that. A really big

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one. Yeah, I was just thinking about that. Because

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I have a massive collection of things that I

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have accumulated from vacations or adventures.

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So I have... I should take a picture of them.

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But I have a whole... My whole wall is... digital

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pictures that i've taken with my phone oh sorry

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i gotta wait for my mic a little bit but digital

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pictures that i've taken with my phone that i

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printed out at walmart and then i've hung them

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up on my wall and then i have a road map taped

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to my door and i highlight or i try to highlight

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every road that i've taken when i record a map

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so that You know, like, you could see everywhere

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we've gone, and then I have all the pictures

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and stuff from the adventures around it. And

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then, you know, I have, like, our MST calendar,

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our botches calendar. I don't have, though. And

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then... Do we make a botches calendar? Not this

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year, I don't think. No. And, yeah, and then

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I have, like, pamphlets. Like, remember, I don't

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know if this is a Michigander thing, but when

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we used to go on vacation as kids... We used

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to collect the pamphlets from the visitor centers

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like Pokemon cards. We used to do that too. Everyone,

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like I have Shipwreck Tours, Oswald's, the Mystery

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Spot. They were like collector's cards, and you'd

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always take a handful of them with you. I don't

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know how those people made money because, dude,

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we were robbing them blind. Every one of us got

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like five each, and then they ended up being

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like Firestarter because we never used them.

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Dude, we should start. a uh trading card game

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that'd be pretty fun we should we should use

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pamphlets as that cut out cut out the emblems

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into a rectangle trading card it'd be michigan

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in general should have like a trading card game

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where every say rest stop has its own card like

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that actually be kind of speaking yeah uh that

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would be like a collectible yeah exactly That

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you have to go to that location to collect. Yeah.

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I like that because it's, like, I like the Jeep

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badge of honor thing. I think that's super cool,

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and I would love to collect that, but I can't

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do a lot of them, and it's cheap. Or all roads

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taken. Yeah. So it would be really cool to get,

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like, I've always wanted to do all the, what

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do you call them, like, state parks, national

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parks? Manistee National Forest, whatever they

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are, and get all, like, the badges for them,

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like the Velcro, and, like, throw them on the

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roof. Like, of all the, like, cool, I've been

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to Huron State Forest. Or, hey, I went to this

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state forest and, like, spent a week there. That'd

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be super sick. Yeah. And we've been to a lot

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of them. Like, so, like, and then just do, like,

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Chris Point Lighthouse. Or, hey, we went to Whitefish

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Point Lighthouse and have them be patches. that

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you could Velcro and throw on your roof and have

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them just kind of cover your roof. So kind of

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checkpoints, cool places that you've been. And

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then conversation points, too, because people

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come in, look at your truck, whatever, and they're

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like, holy shit. I've got a shit ton of patches

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on my roof. It's pretty cool. Mark's got one

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really cool one that just says slut. I think

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I only have one, and I think it's the one I won.

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on the mst poker run last the year before this

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and that's the only one i have mark's got an

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mst one he's got a slot one what else do you

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have you got american flag uh you drop this into

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brain oh yeah yeah then there's like a tactical

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kitty or something like that oh yeah yeah i've

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got and then i also got um duncan's um Oh, yeah,

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unit patch. Unit patch. I should order some of

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my unit patches. But then comes the question

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of which unit patches do I order? 304th, 40th,

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or 180th? Why not all of them? Okay, good point.

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I need a botches patch, though. Yeah, I want

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a Velcro botches patch. Mine was a Velcro, and

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you just make it a Velcro one. Can you? I didn't

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see that as an option. Yeah, you just take a

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piece of Velcro, and you stick it to the back,

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and then cut it out. Oh, fuck, okay. That's what

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you're saying. Every patch you can do that with,

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because patches come with this iron -on glue,

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and when you stick the Velcro to the back, it

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does not come off afterwards. Yeah, I thought

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you meant from the store you could get Velcro,

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and I'm like, I don't remember that being an

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option. no sadly it is not an option but i might

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do that with my stuff too but yeah no so i was

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just wondering because i was looking over and

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i have that collection on my wall from pictures

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and adventures that we've taken and then i have

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four or five jars full of like water and rocks

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that we found on like superior and all over the

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state butosky leelanau Um, I have some gemstones

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that we got from the, uh, what is that called?

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The you per trap or the tourist trap in the,

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in the UP. You remember that? It's got the big,

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um, I want to say it's the you per spot or something.

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It's got the, uh, like the biggest double barrel

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in the world. It's just like a big wooden double

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barrel. It's got like a giant chair. that's got

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a little gem store next to it it's literally

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just one massive tourist trap store with a bunch

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of like knickknacks yeah i don't remember yeah

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but it's uh it's one of those like when you go

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to the up and you're a tourist it's like one

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of those gotta gotta go to places um but yeah

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no so we got a bunch of that i was just curious

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like uh you guys call in if anybody's like if

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you collect some kind of knickknacks so because

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we got like a couple of like native american

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collectible like instruments and stuff from the

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museum and um what is it st ignace the native

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american museum if we go up there we always stop

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there and buy something from them and talk to

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them for a little bit they're that's a super

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cool museum my unit patch from uh My second unit

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is, like, impossible to find. God damn it. Well,

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that's what happens when a unit gets disbanded.

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True. Yeah. That's what happens when you keep

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putting your wiener inside of foxholes. Anyways,

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we have some voicemails. Both of them are marked

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as unknown caller. I think I know one of them.

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We're going to find out. First one's a minute

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long. Second one's 39 seconds. So here we go.

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Turn it up. It's all the way up. I'm going to

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start it over now that I figured out. Oh, God.

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You are horrible now. Yeah, that was. Sorry,

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listeners. I turned my mic volume up so that

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I could catch this person. So I am sorry for

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me blasting you. I'm going to turn my mic volume

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up again and then play it and then turn it back

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down. Yeah. So here we go. your chicken, dice

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up your steak, whatever it is that you're going

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to have, and your vegetables in advance, put

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them in bags, and season it up. I prefer Meat

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Church brand fajita seasoning as opposed to that

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goopy, syrupy, nasty stuff that most people use

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for fajitas. Just put it all in a bag, let it

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sit there until you're ready for camp. That was

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Joe Caron, right? I think that was Joe Caron.

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I think so, too, because I asked him to do one,

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and he said he'd try. Yeah, that's awesome. Is

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my mic volume back to where it was? Or a little

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down, maybe. Maybe it's just a little bit down.

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How's that? Is that better? Yeah. Okay. Sorry,

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listeners, if I'm all over the place with volume.

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We haven't come up with a better way to do this

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yet. I was wondering, can you just... Oh, you

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can't. I was going to say, can you just log on

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to Google from the computer and have it read

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out? But I don't think it would play the sound

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through our speakers. Maybe. I got a point with

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it. Yeah, we'll check that out later. But yeah,

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no, that's a great idea. Fajitas are always,

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always a winner. It goes back to what we were

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saying about it being a, it's one of those many

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trick pony meals. Like you can always. do a lot

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of fajita meat and do many different, you know,

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do walking tacos one day, fajitas the next. Breakfast

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burritos the next day. Quesadillas. Like, yeah.

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Yeah, really good one. Yeah. So, all right, and

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the next one is 39 seconds. I'm going to try

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just playing it before I turn my mic up because

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I don't want to have to do that. Just relax,

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have something quick and easy. One of my favorites

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is Ludwig's Sour Cream Original Donuts. You can

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get them in the freezer aisle at most Michigan

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stores. There's 12 in a package. They store well,

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and, man, those things are good. I've cut coffee

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with one of those, set them out on fire in the

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morning, and you're all set. I think that might

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have been Joe as well. That was Joe Caron a second

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time, for sure. Yeah, so it's funny that you

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say that because there's another guy that we

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camp with. It's Scott, right? Austin's dad. Is

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his name Scott? Maybe. No, it's not Scott. It's

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Tom. Sorry, Tom. But, yeah, Tom, Austin Winter's

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dad, every time in the morning, I'm like, what

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do you got for breakfast, man? He's like. He

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just has this big old box of donuts, like, you

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know, those plastic containers. He's like, yep,

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this is my breakfast and lunch. I'm like, okay,

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here, eat something. Like, yeah, there are some

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days where, like, quick breakfast is the way.

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And I'm not going to lie, like, on those days

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it's usually a Pop -Tart for me or not even that

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and just have a Monster and go because Monster

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just kind of suppresses my appetite in the morning.

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Dude. Nothing slaps like a Bud Light and an egg

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in the morning. I'll tell you what. Just an egg.

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Dude, I like just cracking me a boiled egg in

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the morning. If I could get with a boiled egg

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or a pickled egg. Dude, boiled eggs are a pretty

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solid choice. Boiled eggs are a, I will say this,

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for the record, for a camp meal, those are an

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extremely underrated option. Yeah, you just boil

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them at home. Boil them at home. Throw them in

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half and half. Half and half, same carton as

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your real eggs. So if you get 18 of them, do

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half and half. Those are great lunches. You can

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make egg salad sandwiches. I mean, eggs are a

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big filler. You could throw them in your salads.

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It's great. On that note, just bring some pickled

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eggs. Pickled eggs should just be a standard

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in every camp. Absolutely bomb. Dude. So a hack

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for that. If you go to Menards, it has to be

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Menards. I haven't found them anywhere else.

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Back in their grocery aisle, they've got these

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small little jars with like, what, six eggs in

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them? Six, maybe eight. Six. Yeah. Tiny little

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jars. It's the only pickled eggs they've got

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in the store. And they're original. It's just

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vinegar. No other flavorings. Oh, my God, dude.

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They are the best pickled eggs you'll ever have.

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Oh, yeah. So I had from Family Farm and Home.

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It's like a Michigan farm store. Now, I guess

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they're kind of coming around now. But anyway,

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they had pickled quail eggs there around last

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Christmas. And they kind of carry it, I think,

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year -round. But I bought it as a white elephant

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gift for Christmas. And it got passed around

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the whole thing. Nobody wanted these fucking

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eggs. And finally, the person that got them just

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handed them back to me and was like, I'm not

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fucking touching these. I opened them up right

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there and started popping those quail eggs in

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my mouth. I'm like, these are so good. And maybe

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it's not FDA safe, but it's very easy to re -pickle

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eggs. Like, you could slow pickle by just throwing

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boiled eggs, peeled boiled eggs back in the brine.

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and putting them back in the fridge and letting

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them sit. Or you can heat the brine back up in

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a saucepan and then put your eggs in there. And

00:16:01.940 --> 00:16:05.379
that works the same way as how they were originally

00:16:05.379 --> 00:16:08.059
pickled because pickled eggs are originally with

00:16:08.059 --> 00:16:10.299
a hot brine, and that's how you get so much flavor

00:16:10.299 --> 00:16:15.159
inside of them. But, yeah, no, I used to do like

00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.879
the Vlasic dill pickles. I'd eat all the pickles

00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:19.700
out of that and then throw some eggs in there.

00:16:21.149 --> 00:16:25.750
Pickled eggs are so good, dude. I mean, is it

00:16:25.750 --> 00:16:30.570
Vogel's? No. What is that big jar, or Kogel's,

00:16:30.590 --> 00:16:34.809
the big jar of pickled bologna? I think it's

00:16:34.809 --> 00:16:38.830
Kogel's. It's like $15 now for a jar, but that

00:16:38.830 --> 00:16:44.710
is my favorite, favorite snack food. The Hot

00:16:44.710 --> 00:16:47.980
Mama or whatever from the gas station? oh my

00:16:47.980 --> 00:16:50.639
god i love i yeah and i look at those and i'm

00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:55.580
like dude a gas station pickled bologna i'm like

00:16:55.580 --> 00:16:58.360
there's gotta be something wrong i've eaten them

00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:01.860
well the thing is well they're not just gas station

00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:03.980
like it's a really well -known brand it just

00:17:03.980 --> 00:17:06.420
they sell them individually packaged i know it's

00:17:06.420 --> 00:17:08.880
just it's it for me it's just like dude this

00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.970
feels it feels wrong They're so good. It feels

00:17:12.970 --> 00:17:15.829
good. It's like getting gas station sushi. You

00:17:15.829 --> 00:17:18.589
know this isn't the gas station specialty here,

00:17:18.690 --> 00:17:22.250
and maybe this isn't the best idea, but it's

00:17:22.250 --> 00:17:25.049
so good. Oh, gas stations do not. Fresh food,

00:17:25.150 --> 00:17:27.750
not pickled food, but fresh food from a gas station,

00:17:27.910 --> 00:17:30.690
always a bad idea. I don't know, man. Wesco?

00:17:30.809 --> 00:17:35.710
I've never gone wrong with Wesco food. Wesco

00:17:35.710 --> 00:17:38.349
fresh deli food? There's exceptions. Let me rephrase

00:17:38.349 --> 00:17:42.460
that. Sushi. Sushi from any gas station, always

00:17:42.460 --> 00:17:44.380
right. I don't know, man. Wesco's got sushi,

00:17:44.539 --> 00:17:47.920
and I can't say I haven't tried it. It's not

00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:52.660
the greatest, but I never got sick. I have had

00:17:52.660 --> 00:17:56.220
sushi from gas stations in Korea and gotten sick.

00:17:56.380 --> 00:17:57.920
Yeah, I was going to say, that's significantly

00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:03.160
safer, I would imagine. Still not recommended.

00:18:03.740 --> 00:18:07.079
Yeah. And who could tell with us, though? Because

00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.859
with me and Alex, our bodies are so finicky with

00:18:09.859 --> 00:18:12.039
this stuff that it could be literally anything.

00:18:12.420 --> 00:18:14.359
Mine used to not be. Yeah, well, I know. Maybe

00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.779
it's because you stopped eating MREs. My time

00:18:17.779 --> 00:18:20.779
in Korea kind of set all that in motion. It was

00:18:20.779 --> 00:18:24.279
all the kimchi. Dude, I ate so much kimchi while

00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:26.380
I was there. Yeah. I want to try some kimchi

00:18:26.380 --> 00:18:30.059
again. I still eat a lot of kimchi. You know,

00:18:30.059 --> 00:18:34.279
speaking of pickled things, when you eat sushi

00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:36.859
and there's that What is that pickled garnish?

00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:43.099
It's pickled ginger? Maybe. I'm not the biggest

00:18:43.099 --> 00:18:44.759
sushi fan. Yeah, I think it's pickled ginger.

00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.500
It's supposed to be like a palate cleanser. That

00:18:47.500 --> 00:18:51.480
is the most disgusting food I think I've ever

00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:55.759
tried. And because to me, when I eat it, it tastes

00:18:55.759 --> 00:19:01.259
like I'm eating Lysol. Like fruity Lysol. I don't

00:19:01.259 --> 00:19:04.500
understand how people like pickled ginger. It

00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:06.799
really cleanses your palate then. Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:19:06.900 --> 00:19:10.460
It disinfects everything. Yeah. I'd rather eat

00:19:10.460 --> 00:19:13.140
a glob of wasabi than pickled ginger any day,

00:19:13.259 --> 00:19:15.880
which I like wasabi, so that's not saying much.

00:19:16.539 --> 00:19:23.400
But, yeah. No. I'm trying to think. I don't think

00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.680
we really missed anything. I was really happy

00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:28.839
with the last episode with the AI food generated.

00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:31.920
I think that was actually a really good. They

00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:36.140
did a really good idea on budget, and maybe we

00:19:36.140 --> 00:19:40.839
should do an AI -generated camp gear budget.

00:19:41.819 --> 00:19:45.079
Get me the best. Yeah? Yeah, at some point we

00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:50.700
can do like a get me the best camp gear for a

00:19:50.700 --> 00:19:55.299
three -day weekend for, what do you think, like

00:19:55.299 --> 00:19:59.640
$100, $200? What's realistic for starting from

00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:04.000
scratch camp gear? I'd say $150. I feel like

00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.859
you could tackle a lot of that out of Walmart,

00:20:06.019 --> 00:20:08.859
but I'm just curious. But we can do that at some

00:20:08.859 --> 00:20:12.420
point and talk about that. That would be interesting.

00:20:12.819 --> 00:20:18.400
I'm doing it right now. Yeah. Yeah. I really

00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.660
like that idea. That's a really fun one. I'm

00:20:20.660 --> 00:20:23.900
just curious, because it did so well on the food.

00:20:24.819 --> 00:20:27.160
I'm not saying that because I don't love AI.

00:20:27.859 --> 00:20:30.859
I think that it's cool for some uses, but...

00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.099
For a lot of it, it's just kind of like blah.

00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.460
But they had some really solid food choices there,

00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:39.619
and I'm just curious what brands they go with

00:20:39.619 --> 00:20:44.339
when you're trying to do a good camp budget equipment.

00:20:44.339 --> 00:20:49.019
Okay, so unlike when we did the food, it kind

00:20:49.019 --> 00:20:54.519
of gives you links to different things. It recommends

00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:57.299
Coleman two -person tents that range from $40

00:20:57.299 --> 00:21:03.230
to $80. It also has a Tenton tent here and a

00:21:03.230 --> 00:21:09.049
Kelty. That's $82. I told it to do for two people.

00:21:09.490 --> 00:21:13.750
That makes it realistic to be under $150. Once

00:21:13.750 --> 00:21:15.750
you start adding kids, it gets a little bit harder.

00:21:15.950 --> 00:21:20.730
And then it recommends Standsport two -person

00:21:20.730 --> 00:21:25.109
convertible sleeping bag for $75. That's already

00:21:25.109 --> 00:21:29.970
over budget then. Close. No, it is. You're like,

00:21:30.089 --> 00:21:34.690
because it's 80 for a tent. 75. Yeah. Over 150.

00:21:34.690 --> 00:21:36.950
Yeah, it's already over budget. Oh, I thought

00:21:36.950 --> 00:21:39.190
you were saying it ranged from when you were

00:21:39.190 --> 00:21:42.369
talking about the tents. It ranged from 40 to

00:21:42.369 --> 00:21:44.809
80, but the one they recommend is 76 and 99.

00:21:45.230 --> 00:21:49.309
Yeah. So the AI isn't making a list. It's just

00:21:49.309 --> 00:21:52.369
giving you recommendations for under 150 for

00:21:52.369 --> 00:21:55.890
probably each item. They're saying that the cheapest

00:21:55.890 --> 00:21:59.750
tent you could get from Coleman is $40. Because

00:21:59.750 --> 00:22:03.250
when I look at their budget, it says tent, spend

00:22:03.250 --> 00:22:07.150
$40 on a Coleman. Sleeping bag, $75, which is

00:22:07.150 --> 00:22:11.750
their two -person. $25 on Firestarter, because

00:22:11.750 --> 00:22:13.809
they're saying to get these waterproof Firestarter

00:22:13.809 --> 00:22:17.009
matches. I'm sorry, I can start a fire for way

00:22:17.009 --> 00:22:20.529
less than $25. Well, and especially if you're

00:22:20.529 --> 00:22:23.950
two -season camping in the summer. um a sleeping

00:22:23.950 --> 00:22:27.549
bag isn't necessarily even the go well you can

00:22:27.549 --> 00:22:30.430
just bring your home comforter really yeah it'd

00:22:30.430 --> 00:22:32.490
be fine if you if you were really trying to get

00:22:32.490 --> 00:22:37.609
you out camping on a budget uh yeah a 20 to a

00:22:37.609 --> 00:22:43.410
20 to 40 dollar colbin tent if you're going out

00:22:43.410 --> 00:22:45.869
for the first time isn't really the worst you

00:22:45.869 --> 00:22:50.380
can do just don't don't buy like the $40 two

00:22:50.380 --> 00:22:54.220
-person tent and then get like a 15 inch inflatable

00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:58.759
mattress mark you remember when we were at leatherwood

00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:03.460
and there were those two ladies yeah they had

00:23:03.460 --> 00:23:06.680
from the top of their mattress to the top of

00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:10.500
their tent was maybe a foot and a half it took

00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:16.519
it took them so long to get that that uh air

00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:19.279
mattress in that tent Wait, they inflated it

00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:23.000
and then put it in the tent? Oh, my god, dude.

00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:25.460
The first time. Then they deflated it, put it

00:23:25.460 --> 00:23:28.259
in, and inflated it. Rookies. Oh, my god, dude.

00:23:28.259 --> 00:23:32.099
Yeah, so I forgot. I had an air mattress, and

00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:35.759
I gave it to my father -in -law, who came with

00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:39.160
us camping on the cryptid trip. And he had a

00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:41.940
two - to three -person tent. It wasn't the smallest

00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:46.000
tent. and he had started inflating it, and he

00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:49.200
had probably a foot and a half, two feet, and

00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.700
he was just kind of, you could see him going

00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:52.500
in there. I said, well, at least it'll be warm.

00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:56.700
And he said, yeah, because it got low, pretty

00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:58.460
low that night, and he's like, yeah, you know,

00:23:58.500 --> 00:24:00.240
I just kind of covered the blanket over my head.

00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:02.740
He goes, oh, it's fine. I was like, good thing.

00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:04.680
Like, I was worried about him because he's always

00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.599
old. He's old, man. He's always old. Yeah. I

00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:10.720
think once you're old, you're kind of going to

00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.519
stay old. I don't know. It's like sometimes they

00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:16.599
feel younger than they are, but he's always old.

00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.720
But, no, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you can't really

00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:23.539
go wrong with a cheap Coleman tent the first

00:24:23.539 --> 00:24:26.539
couple times you're out. It gives you a good

00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:30.039
base of, like, what you want. I would never recommend

00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:32.700
anybody buying a shift pod for their first tent.

00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:35.880
Did you get that one I sent you off Marketplace?

00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:37.519
I mean, I didn't get it, but I saw it, yeah.

00:24:38.539 --> 00:24:40.359
They want so much for that thing. What is it?

00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:44.099
How much was it? Like $600? $800. Oh, yeah. I

00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:47.819
mean, it's originally like $1 ,200. Yeah, but

00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:51.359
still, it's like once you use a tent, and it's

00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:54.319
well used. It's not like it's a brand new tent.

00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:59.710
And let's be honest, shift pods are ugly. They

00:24:59.710 --> 00:25:03.849
look like a NASA, something NASA made. They're

00:25:03.849 --> 00:25:08.009
like reflectible, like aluminum foil, quilted

00:25:08.009 --> 00:25:12.170
aluminum foils. And all they are is a quilted,

00:25:12.170 --> 00:25:19.170
insulated remake of Gazelles. They are no different

00:25:19.170 --> 00:25:22.609
as far as like construction or anything else

00:25:22.609 --> 00:25:27.099
goes. Gazelles sell for $400, $500, and these

00:25:27.099 --> 00:25:31.619
with added quilt sell for $1 ,200. It's like,

00:25:31.660 --> 00:25:36.619
what the fuck? Yeah, it's insane. You know who

00:25:36.619 --> 00:25:42.500
else does that for cheaper is Free Spirit. Free

00:25:42.500 --> 00:25:46.960
Spirit does one. Drew, the guy that had the 5th

00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:51.559
Gen 4Runner FBI. I don't know if you guys have

00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:54.700
met him. His name is Drew. I feel like I have.

00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.380
Yeah, he had the 4Runner, the white one, and

00:25:57.380 --> 00:26:01.519
then he got a Jeep Rubicon. Oh, yeah, okay. But

00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.299
he had a Free Spirit Recreation pop -up, and

00:26:04.299 --> 00:26:07.160
that was pretty cool, really. It came quilted

00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.660
and everything, and he got it with the purchase

00:26:11.660 --> 00:26:14.160
of something else, I think he said. That was

00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.099
pretty cool, but it was a double, and it was

00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:21.779
just way too much. It was just too big. But,

00:26:21.819 --> 00:26:24.039
I mean, still no different from a Gazelle, just

00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:28.200
added quilt and changed the color. Really. Yeah.

00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:37.359
Really no different. Yeah, I think AI is a little

00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.799
out of touch on that list. It didn't do as good

00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.759
as it did with the actual menu. Yeah, that's

00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.880
odd. I mean, I can't say I'm super surprised

00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:53.059
because that is kind of detailed. Kelty isn't

00:26:53.059 --> 00:26:55.640
a bad brand, but it's more of a backpacker's

00:26:55.640 --> 00:27:01.000
brand. And Teton is kind of like a cheap backpacker's

00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:06.359
brand and opening. I mean, I guess Coleman, Kelty,

00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:09.619
and Teton are all kind of an opener, starter

00:27:09.619 --> 00:27:14.779
brand. I would say Coleman being the cheapest

00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:18.430
quality, Teton being the middle ground. Kelty

00:27:18.430 --> 00:27:24.450
being the higher end of those. I've had a bunch

00:27:24.450 --> 00:27:26.769
of each one of those. I have Kelty equipment

00:27:26.769 --> 00:27:31.930
here, and Kelty is not a bad brand. They just

00:27:31.930 --> 00:27:35.210
do better in some areas than others. I think

00:27:35.210 --> 00:27:39.410
their tent game lacks a little bit. I think they

00:27:39.410 --> 00:27:42.950
make cutesy tents, and I think a lot of girls

00:27:42.950 --> 00:27:45.450
go for the cutesy -looking tents because they

00:27:45.450 --> 00:27:49.349
have fun colors and stuff. But their bags and

00:27:49.349 --> 00:27:52.809
stuff are really good. I can't really complain

00:27:52.809 --> 00:27:56.529
about those, but their organization systems are

00:27:56.529 --> 00:28:00.049
good. I think they have the camp organizer for

00:28:00.049 --> 00:28:03.950
your kitchenware, the roll -up. I think that's

00:28:03.950 --> 00:28:08.009
really cool. So they do better with some things

00:28:08.009 --> 00:28:12.569
than others. Still AI, way out of touch on that

00:28:12.569 --> 00:28:17.650
one. I think if you go to Ozark Trail, Ozark

00:28:17.650 --> 00:28:21.089
Trail is known for being a cheap brand, but they

00:28:21.089 --> 00:28:24.089
still have some decent stuff for being the cheaper

00:28:24.089 --> 00:28:27.250
brand. There's some stuff that I probably wouldn't

00:28:27.250 --> 00:28:30.890
have changed if I didn't just have the extra

00:28:30.890 --> 00:28:33.049
money hanging around to change it. You know what

00:28:33.049 --> 00:28:36.089
I mean? Some of their pots and pans will do.

00:28:37.329 --> 00:28:40.670
They're not the worst that you could just grab

00:28:40.670 --> 00:28:52.609
from Walmart. I just sent Mark a Cabela's Alackanack.

00:28:52.650 --> 00:28:56.430
I'll send it to you. It's for $400, and it's

00:28:56.430 --> 00:28:58.750
barely been used, and we looked it up, and it's

00:28:58.750 --> 00:29:01.289
a $1 ,200 fucking tent. Oh, yeah. Actually, a

00:29:01.289 --> 00:29:10.299
$1 ,400 tent. $1 ,400 tent. It's the kind that

00:29:10.299 --> 00:29:13.259
I want for setting up in the campsite here at

00:29:13.259 --> 00:29:15.119
my house during the wintertime that we can just

00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:20.059
leave up. Yep. Oh, yeah, these big -ass canvas.

00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:26.420
Yep. Yep. Because I do want one that we can just

00:29:26.420 --> 00:29:29.019
set up and have somewhere to just go do things

00:29:29.019 --> 00:29:33.279
in. Yeah. That we don't have to set up and tear

00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.829
down every time. But this is a really good fucking

00:29:37.829 --> 00:29:45.869
deal at $400. It is. So in your opinion. Yeah.

00:29:46.930 --> 00:29:49.369
So I'm looking at Ozark Trail stuff now because

00:29:49.369 --> 00:29:51.730
I was kind of talking about it. And it kind of

00:29:51.730 --> 00:29:54.990
made me think of like the prompt. I guess I don't

00:29:54.990 --> 00:30:00.109
know how you would say this, but what is. something

00:30:00.109 --> 00:30:03.089
that you can like genuinely cheap out on and

00:30:03.089 --> 00:30:05.509
be okay and then something you probably shouldn't

00:30:05.509 --> 00:30:08.630
and i'm looking at it and i'm like knives are

00:30:08.630 --> 00:30:12.549
probably shouldn't in my in my book would you

00:30:12.549 --> 00:30:17.109
agree or disagree i like cooking all around yeah

00:30:17.109 --> 00:30:19.650
you gotta be very pacific knife All -around camp.

00:30:19.690 --> 00:30:22.509
Are you talking about just for camping? I would

00:30:22.509 --> 00:30:24.630
say an all -around camp knife, something that

00:30:24.630 --> 00:30:27.069
you would take out to camp, maybe split some

00:30:27.069 --> 00:30:31.150
wood, cut some meat up. I'm saying you're asking

00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:33.109
about anything for camping that you wouldn't

00:30:33.109 --> 00:30:39.150
cheap out on? Yeah. Okay, yeah. So things that

00:30:39.150 --> 00:30:42.849
you can cheap out on, like, for instance, let

00:30:42.849 --> 00:30:48.430
me give an example. Like an Ozark Trail. uh water

00:30:48.430 --> 00:30:52.109
bottle like not a big deal that's okay to go

00:30:52.109 --> 00:30:55.450
cheap on or a bag it depends are you are you

00:30:55.450 --> 00:30:57.670
fair weather camping or are you anything camping

00:30:57.670 --> 00:30:59.829
because if you're fair weather camping dude cheap

00:30:59.829 --> 00:31:04.829
out on all of it yeah um i think this is just

00:31:04.829 --> 00:31:07.529
like a general like let me let me give another

00:31:07.529 --> 00:31:13.279
example um here we go so You remember those fancy

00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.700
ultralight backpacking chairs that, like, fold

00:31:15.700 --> 00:31:19.359
up, kind of like yours does? Yeah. So they have,

00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.680
Ozark Trail has one. It's a backpack chair with

00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:28.180
a carrying bag for $34. It has to be better than

00:31:28.180 --> 00:31:31.619
my $70 one that I got from 23Zero. You know what

00:31:31.619 --> 00:31:33.720
I'm saying, though, is, like, what equipment

00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.400
do you think is, like, yeah, that's okay to cheap

00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.559
out on? I think camp chairs are definitely okay

00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.970
to cheap out on. I had those $10 Timu chairs

00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:45.089
for an entire season, and they're still perfectly

00:31:45.089 --> 00:31:48.329
fine. Right. There's not a thing wrong with any

00:31:48.329 --> 00:31:51.029
of the three that I bought. Yeah. So that's just

00:31:51.029 --> 00:31:53.670
kind of what I'm curious. Like, is there, I would

00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:57.630
say, like, fire starters. Dude, we talked about

00:31:57.630 --> 00:31:59.589
this, I think, last year a little bit, but going

00:31:59.589 --> 00:32:03.170
and getting wood stove fire starters that come

00:32:03.170 --> 00:32:06.029
in the bricks, it's like, I think it's, what,

00:32:06.150 --> 00:32:11.150
like $15 for 200 of them? And they have lasted

00:32:11.150 --> 00:32:13.910
me, like, three or four summers off of that one

00:32:13.910 --> 00:32:17.809
box for $15, where if you were to use, like,

00:32:17.869 --> 00:32:22.089
what is it called, Blackbeard's Tail or something

00:32:22.089 --> 00:32:24.710
like that, those are, like, super fucking expensive

00:32:24.710 --> 00:32:29.470
for Firestarters. And, like, Ozark Trail tents

00:32:29.470 --> 00:32:31.869
aren't bad. I'm not saying that all of them are

00:32:31.869 --> 00:32:35.309
bangers, but Ozark Trail makes some really good

00:32:35.309 --> 00:32:40.009
tents. Yeah, they make decent stuff. For you

00:32:40.009 --> 00:32:43.430
guys, like what's, and this can be opinionated,

00:32:43.509 --> 00:32:48.109
but like what is okay to cheap out on? And like

00:32:48.109 --> 00:32:50.710
what are you spending extra money on? Like if

00:32:50.710 --> 00:32:55.309
you see an Ozark brand of, let's say, a tent,

00:32:55.490 --> 00:32:58.089
are you even going to look at it as much as you

00:32:58.089 --> 00:33:01.130
would look at, if you had all the money in the

00:33:01.130 --> 00:33:03.849
world, would you even look at an Ozark trail?

00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.579
Or would you go for something else? You know

00:33:06.579 --> 00:33:08.059
what I mean? If you had all the money in the

00:33:08.059 --> 00:33:09.839
world, I don't think anyone would buy an Ozark

00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:11.140
trailer. I think they're going to look at the

00:33:11.140 --> 00:33:13.779
most expensive tent they want. I feel like that's,

00:33:13.779 --> 00:33:17.799
and this is not a dig at anyone, but I think

00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.420
that's almost the ignorant option for people

00:33:20.420 --> 00:33:24.579
that haven't gone camping. I don't. You know

00:33:24.579 --> 00:33:26.619
what I mean? Knowing what we know, if it has

00:33:26.619 --> 00:33:31.519
all the features available that we want, obviously

00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:34.279
build quality goes into it a little bit. Well,

00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:39.480
a lot of it in customer service. If I have all

00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.140
the money in the world, I don't care about customer

00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:43.579
service. I barely care about build quality. Because

00:33:43.579 --> 00:33:45.500
when I break it, I'm just going to buy another

00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:47.900
one. If customer service is bad, I'm just going

00:33:47.900 --> 00:33:51.960
to buy another one. I think I overstated the

00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.440
all the money in the world part. I just mean

00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.859
like... If I had a $500 budget, I would look

00:33:57.859 --> 00:34:00.140
at Ozark Trail. If I had a $1 ,000 budget, I

00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:02.400
would look at Ozark Trail. I have no problem

00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.460
with Ozark Trail products. Yeah, maybe that's

00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:08.079
kind of what I was trying to say. I'm just trying

00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.239
to think of that, because there are certain things

00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:12.900
that I would cheap out on, like storage cases,

00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:18.099
like plastic storage cases for equipment or items

00:34:18.099 --> 00:34:19.699
or something. I would cheap out on something

00:34:19.699 --> 00:34:23.559
like that. Yeah, me too. I definitely don't buy.

00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:28.099
If it doesn't fit in a packout, I don't need

00:34:28.099 --> 00:34:34.639
it. But for me, I still have this, and I use

00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.219
it every time we camp. I have a three -piece

00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:42.900
Ozark Trail camping utensil set. It's $6 .44,

00:34:43.179 --> 00:34:46.079
and I use that every time I cook. It's a metal

00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.039
spatula, a metal spoon, and tongs. Hell, when

00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:50.739
we did our New Year's run and I was cooking hot

00:34:50.739 --> 00:34:54.230
dogs, I used the spoon for the chili. And I use

00:34:54.230 --> 00:34:57.889
the tongs for the hot dogs. And those work great.

00:34:58.230 --> 00:35:03.329
For $6 .44, I don't need, even if I had, you

00:35:03.329 --> 00:35:05.489
know, a couple hundred dollars to spend on utensils,

00:35:05.489 --> 00:35:08.449
to me, I wouldn't buy it because I don't need

00:35:08.449 --> 00:35:10.909
it. Like, that's how I feel. I don't know, would

00:35:10.909 --> 00:35:13.329
you buy something just because you had the money,

00:35:13.369 --> 00:35:15.369
I guess? There are certain things that I would

00:35:15.369 --> 00:35:17.570
just because it's cool, but like that, no, I'm

00:35:17.570 --> 00:35:20.539
good. I probably, honestly, I don't know. If

00:35:20.539 --> 00:35:22.460
I had all the money in the world, I'd probably

00:35:22.460 --> 00:35:24.659
buy some rocks I could wear because it's fucking

00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:26.219
cool. Not all the money, but you know what I

00:35:26.219 --> 00:35:29.659
mean. Like, if you had a good budget to spend,

00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:34.219
would you waste it on something? I would probably

00:35:34.219 --> 00:35:37.179
spend more just for something kind of cool. Like,

00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.340
the Roxxon kit is really cool, and I probably

00:35:40.340 --> 00:35:43.019
would buy something more along those lines just

00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:47.000
because I have the money to. Yeah, so I've checked

00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:54.280
out, like, $30 on a plastic camp spork and knife

00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.300
kit that you can turn into a long spork when

00:35:57.300 --> 00:36:00.719
you put the knife in backwards. I can't remember

00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:07.219
what it's called, but it's for eating MREs and

00:36:07.219 --> 00:36:11.199
dehydrated meals so that you don't get your hands

00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:13.659
all fucking nasty and stuff when you're scooping

00:36:13.659 --> 00:36:17.780
in the bag. I love that, and for the price, it

00:36:17.780 --> 00:36:22.760
was pretty good. I'm just curious. If you spend...

00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.320
Okay, so you can get a pack of eight metal sporks

00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:31.980
for $11. Bro, that's a fucking deal. And would

00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:35.739
you ever buy anything? I wouldn't switch to titanium

00:36:35.739 --> 00:36:40.940
just because. No. Right. No, I wouldn't either.

00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.179
It works. I would stick with those because it

00:36:44.179 --> 00:36:48.980
works. i don't know i guess it's kind of a weird

00:36:48.980 --> 00:36:51.400
prompt and maybe a failed prompt for a question

00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:53.840
for you guys but that's just kind of like i was

00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:55.400
kind of thinking about it was like i mean at

00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.780
what point are we saying like yeah no this actually

00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:02.280
just works and i'm not upgrading it even if i

00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:06.820
have the money because it works if it works you're

00:37:06.820 --> 00:37:09.880
not gonna want to because like yeah the only

00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.300
thing that will keep you from not getting it

00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:14.320
again if you have to fail and you just don't

00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:18.510
want to do it again i mean like we had a fail

00:37:18.510 --> 00:37:23.269
of our ozark trail propane heater and it's something

00:37:23.269 --> 00:37:25.110
that we don't want to deal with anymore because

00:37:25.110 --> 00:37:27.329
of what happened then we're not going to touch

00:37:27.329 --> 00:37:31.369
it again yeah i mean that's kind of uh like yeah

00:37:31.369 --> 00:37:33.769
that's granted like yeah you're not going to

00:37:33.769 --> 00:37:35.710
want to go back to that same product if it i

00:37:35.710 --> 00:37:39.449
fails you but i don't know man i upgrade i don't

00:37:39.449 --> 00:37:42.730
generally upgrade something just to upgrade it

00:37:42.730 --> 00:37:44.489
when i upgrade it's because there's it either

00:37:44.489 --> 00:37:48.010
doesn't do something i want it to do or it doesn't

00:37:48.010 --> 00:37:50.750
do it well enough or something along those lines

00:37:50.750 --> 00:37:53.690
yeah so i mean i guess that was kind of like

00:37:53.690 --> 00:37:58.130
my question in a way i guess i don't know like

00:37:58.130 --> 00:38:06.409
at what point is that i don't know I guess we'll...

00:38:06.409 --> 00:38:09.010
If it's under $100, I might just do it because

00:38:09.010 --> 00:38:11.429
it's not that expensive. Yeah, I could... Yeah,

00:38:11.550 --> 00:38:13.329
that's probably what I'd... Like, $75, under

00:38:13.329 --> 00:38:17.670
$75, $50. Except, like, for camp utensils and

00:38:17.670 --> 00:38:21.190
stuff because really, to me, like, those don't

00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:24.829
matter enough for me to... Like, if I was backpacking

00:38:24.829 --> 00:38:26.510
and every ounce counted, like, maybe I'd switch

00:38:26.510 --> 00:38:29.670
to titanium. But, like, yeah, it's cool, but,

00:38:29.750 --> 00:38:33.349
like, my plastic silverware works just fine.

00:38:34.730 --> 00:38:39.070
And I don't like metal on metal, so I would not

00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:44.969
use metal cookware or plateware and metal forks

00:38:44.969 --> 00:38:49.690
or stuff. I don't like eating metal. I just can't

00:38:49.690 --> 00:38:54.269
stand it. That's just me, though. Yeah, that's

00:38:54.269 --> 00:38:57.469
a weird problem to have. I like the sound. So

00:38:57.469 --> 00:38:59.750
we have this metal bowl that I think I ended

00:38:59.750 --> 00:39:01.869
up stealing from Ed and Rebecca because I left

00:39:01.869 --> 00:39:05.760
it at camp or something. And I like to put yogurt

00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:07.840
in that and then eat all the yogurt and then

00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.519
take my metal spoon and just dig the yogurt off

00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.920
the bottom of it. My wife fucking eats when I

00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:15.460
do that. See, that's the same. I don't like it.

00:39:16.579 --> 00:39:20.260
It's not a smooth metal either, so it makes a

00:39:20.260 --> 00:39:24.019
lot of noise. Like my teeth, I can feel my brain

00:39:24.019 --> 00:39:28.280
cringe from the sound. Like I could feel myself

00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.559
reeling back in horror. Is it still here on my

00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:33.460
desk? I could give you an example. I will throw

00:39:33.460 --> 00:39:39.820
my headset. No, I was just curious. Because there

00:39:39.820 --> 00:39:41.219
are certain things that I would cheap on, like

00:39:41.219 --> 00:39:44.559
Nalgene bottles. Those are cheap, but they last

00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.340
forever, and they're really good. And I would

00:39:46.340 --> 00:39:49.440
never change out my Nalgene bottle for some other

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.059
cool thing, because the Nalgene bottles just

00:39:52.059 --> 00:39:56.860
fucking work. And they're great. An Nelgene bottle

00:39:56.860 --> 00:39:59.380
has a different use case than other water bottles,

00:39:59.500 --> 00:40:01.840
right? Like, an Nelgene bottle isn't insulated.

00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:05.639
It's just a water bottle that works. Yeah. Generally,

00:40:05.820 --> 00:40:08.139
if you're spending more money on a water bottle,

00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:10.039
you're getting something that's vacuum sealed,

00:40:10.179 --> 00:40:12.760
insulated, and going to hold temperature better.

00:40:12.820 --> 00:40:18.829
Yeah, and I can't say even with that, I... don't

00:40:18.829 --> 00:40:20.530
spend the money on it because like it's not that

00:40:20.530 --> 00:40:22.389
important to me to have anything vacuum sealed

00:40:22.389 --> 00:40:25.449
and insulated like i don't care enough for my

00:40:25.449 --> 00:40:28.869
drinks to be ice cold all day oh i don't need

00:40:28.869 --> 00:40:30.989
ice cold just if i accidentally leave it in the

00:40:30.989 --> 00:40:33.210
sun i don't want it to be 100 degrees yeah i

00:40:33.210 --> 00:40:36.349
mean for me i usually mine don't last that long

00:40:36.349 --> 00:40:40.869
i guess but um i will say that like my son has

00:40:40.869 --> 00:40:47.039
a 18 ounce like ozark trail flip up lid uh water

00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.179
bottle that we've collected stickers from around

00:40:50.179 --> 00:40:52.300
the state and given them to him and he's just

00:40:52.300 --> 00:40:55.320
randomly put them on the bottle and it's just

00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.139
like his bottle his camp bottle and he loves

00:40:58.139 --> 00:41:00.559
that thing he's thrown it it's dinged across

00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.440
everywhere it doesn't fucking leak it's great

00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:08.360
and we love that like um but like for me i wouldn't

00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.599
buy one just because like i have my giant nalgene

00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:15.070
bottle that like it just works and i don't really

00:41:15.070 --> 00:41:17.710
care if it's hot or cold i just want the water

00:41:17.710 --> 00:41:22.710
or the uh we take a bunch of like electrolyte

00:41:22.710 --> 00:41:26.969
packets with us in the summer so we'll have like

00:41:26.969 --> 00:41:31.530
element that's a really good one or salt i think

00:41:31.530 --> 00:41:33.369
it's what it's called salt or element or something

00:41:33.369 --> 00:41:36.949
like that um yeah that one's really good sienna

00:41:36.949 --> 00:41:39.989
really likes that one and then i bring some like

00:41:39.989 --> 00:41:43.829
propel packets and stuff and We use those for

00:41:43.829 --> 00:41:46.349
hydration in the summer. Kid really likes them,

00:41:46.369 --> 00:41:48.550
too. We do, like, half a packet for his, and

00:41:48.550 --> 00:41:54.929
he just, like, jams that stuff out. I don't know.

00:41:54.949 --> 00:41:56.610
I guess that answered my question a little bit.

00:41:56.690 --> 00:42:05.150
It's like, no, yes, maybe. I think, like I said,

00:42:05.289 --> 00:42:08.489
I think it just comes down to once you've gotten

00:42:08.489 --> 00:42:12.320
so far with it. You might have to switch up your

00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.840
preferences, like how me and Alex has rebuilt

00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.320
our kitchen just based on the clutter to keep

00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.159
it all in one thing instead of multiples. Oh,

00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:23.960
dude, I love the way our kitchen is now. One

00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.300
two -drawer setup holds everything from food

00:42:26.300 --> 00:42:32.260
to coffee. Yeah, I think the more that you camp

00:42:32.260 --> 00:42:36.880
and stuff, you refine your kit better. So I could

00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.599
see the use case there, definitely. There are

00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.260
some things that I've upgraded just to fit in

00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:46.760
my kit better. And one of those being, like,

00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.500
the cookware, like the Gerber Complete Set. I

00:42:50.500 --> 00:42:53.380
didn't need to, and that was kind of a big spend

00:42:53.380 --> 00:42:57.619
for me for a cook set. But it's, you know, stainless

00:42:57.619 --> 00:42:59.739
steel. Everything fits right into that one pot.

00:43:00.739 --> 00:43:05.380
And it could dense space quite a bit. But, like,

00:43:05.420 --> 00:43:07.920
out of the plastic, like, the only things that...

00:43:08.219 --> 00:43:10.340
really make the difference there the pot the

00:43:10.340 --> 00:43:13.719
pan those are really nice to have their full

00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:18.880
size pans but i don't know i had as far as like

00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:20.880
the plastic where the silverware and stuff go

00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:25.139
i had 89 cent walmart stuff that was doing just

00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:29.860
as good like it didn't look as cool but it was

00:43:29.860 --> 00:43:32.280
working just as good plates and plates are something

00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.639
that you should not cheap out on because they

00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.750
don't last as long like let's say you buy $2

00:43:38.750 --> 00:43:42.409
or $3 plate, right? That's going to get scratched

00:43:42.409 --> 00:43:45.369
up and start dripping microplastics into everything.

00:43:45.429 --> 00:43:50.409
Yeah, microplastics are definitely a thing. And

00:43:50.409 --> 00:43:56.409
it's not a not concern for me because we still

00:43:56.409 --> 00:44:01.829
use our camp dishware, which was like 80 cents

00:44:01.829 --> 00:44:06.809
a piece. We have five bowls and five plates.

00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.840
those were like 80 cents a piece and i still

00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.420
use those almost every day for like lunches or

00:44:14.420 --> 00:44:17.380
something i don't cut on them yeah that's the

00:44:17.380 --> 00:44:19.639
thing is like i don't cut on them for any reason

00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:24.960
so to try to like minimize that plastic because

00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.980
i'm not like i'm not like a big granola guy when

00:44:27.980 --> 00:44:30.719
it comes to microplastics because i feel like

00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.400
we got them we got a shit ton already but i'm

00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.880
also not gonna like push my luck I've never gotten

00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.860
a microplastic into my body once. Yeah, that's

00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:44.000
a fucking lie, and we all know that. And the

00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.280
salt on this Cheeto is definitely salt and not

00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:51.400
plastic. That's a Cheez -It, silly bean. Cheez

00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:56.800
-It is what I meant. Cheeto. I don't know. Speaking

00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:00.860
of crunchy and granola, are you guys all for

00:45:00.860 --> 00:45:02.800
the Red 40 ban, or do you think it's stupid?

00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:08.699
Oh, no, 100%. I'm with 100%. With 100%. Okay.

00:45:08.739 --> 00:45:12.659
I'm with 100 % the idea of banning all dyes in

00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:15.639
all food because I don't care what color my food

00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.000
is as long as it tastes good. If it makes a turd.

00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:25.119
I don't care if you use natural dyes. I don't

00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.420
care about that as much. But, yeah, artificial

00:45:28.420 --> 00:45:32.250
dyes, what's the point? I do understand that

00:45:32.250 --> 00:45:35.210
for younger audiences, and I do understand, like,

00:45:35.250 --> 00:45:38.809
working from, like, when I worked at Nestle and

00:45:38.809 --> 00:45:44.210
we worked in, like, advertisement and, like,

00:45:44.349 --> 00:45:47.469
package engineering and stuff, that color matters.

00:45:48.429 --> 00:45:51.489
Like, and having colors that pop out and stand

00:45:51.489 --> 00:45:54.309
out is more attractive to the eye and brings

00:45:54.309 --> 00:45:58.289
more people in. But I don't think it's worth

00:45:58.289 --> 00:46:02.610
it for the common good. And I think that we can

00:46:02.610 --> 00:46:05.530
do just as good by putting fancy packaging on

00:46:05.530 --> 00:46:10.190
it than dying the food. You know, like red Kool

00:46:10.190 --> 00:46:12.650
-Aid, right? Red Kool -Aid doesn't need to be

00:46:12.650 --> 00:46:15.730
red. It can be that flavor, be clear, and then

00:46:15.730 --> 00:46:18.730
have a fancy label on the food. Honestly, I would

00:46:18.730 --> 00:46:21.769
be really cool to have any kind of Kool -Aid

00:46:21.769 --> 00:46:23.969
that doesn't stay in your fucking mouth and your

00:46:23.969 --> 00:46:29.050
tongue. It would be really dope. I want... I

00:46:29.050 --> 00:46:32.050
want Gatorade to start releasing non -dyed Gatorades.

00:46:32.489 --> 00:46:35.250
There's no reason that we need to dye Gatorade.

00:46:35.250 --> 00:46:37.389
It adds no benefit to the drink whatsoever. Yeah,

00:46:37.389 --> 00:46:41.329
it's just a color appeal. And I would say, too,

00:46:41.429 --> 00:46:45.150
that I don't know Gatorades by name. I know them

00:46:45.150 --> 00:46:48.210
by color. I will say that. So it'll take me a

00:46:48.210 --> 00:46:50.429
while to get used to it. But when someone asks

00:46:50.429 --> 00:46:52.449
me if I want a Gatorade, I say I want the light

00:46:52.449 --> 00:46:58.650
bluish -green one. I know Alex is looking. I

00:46:58.650 --> 00:47:00.369
don't know what that one is. It's like almost

00:47:00.369 --> 00:47:05.010
a teal color. It's not the light blue Gatorade.

00:47:05.030 --> 00:47:08.369
Is that cucumber? No, cucumber is the best fucking

00:47:08.369 --> 00:47:13.429
Gatorade out there. Oh, my God. Hot, hot, hot.

00:47:13.710 --> 00:47:16.469
If you ever find one, buy one for me, and I will

00:47:16.469 --> 00:47:19.730
pay you back. I had such a hard time. I hate

00:47:19.730 --> 00:47:23.329
cucumber. When I was a kid. When I was a kid,

00:47:23.369 --> 00:47:26.550
the Amish store in Fremont always had cucumber

00:47:26.550 --> 00:47:29.809
Gatorades. And my stepdad would buy them in bulk

00:47:29.809 --> 00:47:32.650
and be like, you want Gatorade? That's the Gatorade

00:47:32.650 --> 00:47:35.329
you get to drink. And I'd be like, oh, it's so

00:47:35.329 --> 00:47:38.329
gross. You should try it again. And then they

00:47:38.329 --> 00:47:42.789
did a cucumber lime hybrid once. Oh, my God.

00:47:42.809 --> 00:47:45.269
It took us like a year to get through a 12 -pack

00:47:45.269 --> 00:47:48.869
of that. And I was not allowed other Gatorade

00:47:48.869 --> 00:47:50.980
until it was gone. It would take me a day. If

00:47:50.980 --> 00:47:55.219
that, for a 12 -pack. I love them. When we went

00:47:55.219 --> 00:47:58.300
camping this summer, that was the only Gatorade

00:47:58.300 --> 00:48:01.719
flavor I got. I hate cucumber. I hate the flavor

00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:05.079
of cucumber. I think it's a LaCroix flavor. Like,

00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.559
there's barely any flavor to it. It just tastes

00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.860
like a hint of, like, green something. It just

00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:14.440
tastes like vomit. Cucumber itself. But, cucumber

00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.280
Gatorade? I don't know why I like it. I don't

00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:19.519
know why my brain likes it, but I'm addicted

00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.079
to it. I fucking love it. I don't even like regular

00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:26.239
cucumber. My absolute favorite Gatorade flavor

00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:29.219
is the green apple, but I can't drink it because

00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:32.780
it's all I drink and all I ate when I had COVID.

00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.320
And now every time I start to drink it, I feel

00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.519
sick. Yeah, I don't like the green apple one.

00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.619
I like the blue teal one, or cucumber is my number

00:48:41.619 --> 00:48:44.369
one. I'll never be able to explain this. Sienna

00:48:44.369 --> 00:48:46.829
loves cucumber, and she tried it, and she's like,

00:48:46.889 --> 00:48:48.289
eh, this isn't really what I thought it would

00:48:48.289 --> 00:48:50.530
be. And she's like, you want to try it? I'm like,

00:48:50.650 --> 00:48:52.730
it's going to taste like ass. And I tried it,

00:48:52.750 --> 00:48:59.369
and I was like, nah, wait. Wait, huh? And I tried

00:48:59.369 --> 00:49:02.389
another drink, and I was like, yo, why is this

00:49:02.389 --> 00:49:04.769
kind of good? And she's like, what? You like

00:49:04.769 --> 00:49:08.090
this? I'm like, oh, no, I think I love this.

00:49:08.590 --> 00:49:11.050
I drank that whole fucking bottle this whole

00:49:11.050 --> 00:49:14.190
summer. Anytime we went to a gas station, a Walmart,

00:49:14.369 --> 00:49:16.650
a Meijer, and we saw cucumber Gatorade, I was

00:49:16.650 --> 00:49:20.849
like, you know my answer. It's yes, get it. Because

00:49:20.849 --> 00:49:22.889
you can't find it everywhere anymore. It's like

00:49:22.889 --> 00:49:27.809
not a common gas station flavor. When it's so

00:49:27.809 --> 00:49:30.409
gross that not even gas stations have it. No,

00:49:30.429 --> 00:49:32.869
it's that good that they never have it is what

00:49:32.869 --> 00:49:37.230
it is. No, I understand that it's not a favorite

00:49:37.230 --> 00:49:40.369
flavor, and I'm cool with that. I just hope they

00:49:40.369 --> 00:49:42.909
don't discontinue it because this summer, that

00:49:42.909 --> 00:49:47.409
Gatorade carried me this summer. I hate to say

00:49:47.409 --> 00:49:50.030
it. It's been around for over 10 years. I'm sure

00:49:50.030 --> 00:49:52.190
it ain't going nowhere. I didn't know. We just

00:49:52.190 --> 00:49:54.550
checked it out last year. We just found one last

00:49:54.550 --> 00:49:59.429
year. So I had no idea. That's like all I could

00:49:59.429 --> 00:50:02.650
drink as a kid. It was so bad. Okay, tell me.

00:50:02.730 --> 00:50:04.449
Yeah, I already know you're looking it up. Tell

00:50:04.449 --> 00:50:07.550
me when they released it. Oh, I'm just looking

00:50:07.550 --> 00:50:09.269
up all the different Gatorade flavors. No, I

00:50:09.269 --> 00:50:11.210
want to see when they release Cucumber Gatorade.

00:50:11.269 --> 00:50:20.889
Hold on. Sorry, chat. They release Cucumber.

00:50:20.989 --> 00:50:24.429
Lime Cucumber. Yeah, I don't think I would like

00:50:24.429 --> 00:50:28.969
that one. That's the only one that's listing.

00:50:29.010 --> 00:50:32.230
It's not even listing normal Cucumber. 2014 is

00:50:32.230 --> 00:50:38.019
when Cucumber Gatorade was launched. Dude, so

00:50:38.019 --> 00:50:41.559
fucking good. The refreshing story of cucumbers.

00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:50.059
This is my shit. Okay, maybe it's lime cucumber

00:50:50.059 --> 00:50:51.880
is the one I'm thinking of because that was released

00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.320
in 2011. Ooh, that means we need to try the regular

00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:58.019
cucumber together. Maybe I will like the regular

00:50:58.019 --> 00:50:59.559
because I don't think I've ever had it. I think

00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.780
you will. Oh, dude. Oh, no, it's lime cucumber

00:51:02.780 --> 00:51:06.679
again. It's like a lighter green. It's a green

00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.480
that you might even like. It's kind of closer

00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:13.480
to your shirt color. Yeah, I wear a lot of green.

00:51:13.659 --> 00:51:15.579
If the listeners didn't know, I wear a lot of

00:51:15.579 --> 00:51:18.880
green. He wears a lot of Army green, guys. I

00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:21.760
don't know why. Probably 80 % of my shirts are

00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.780
Army shirts because that's what was issued to

00:51:23.780 --> 00:51:26.980
me and they're free. Yeah. 80 % of mine, well,

00:51:27.019 --> 00:51:29.960
90 % of mine are black T -shirts because when

00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:33.219
I worked at Tractor Supply, they had black T

00:51:33.219 --> 00:51:36.380
-shirts for like $8. and i would just buy like

00:51:36.380 --> 00:51:40.179
three pair every paycheck and then before i knew

00:51:40.179 --> 00:51:43.900
it i had a full dresser drawer i had like 40

00:51:43.900 --> 00:51:48.059
black t -shirts yeah yeah that got rough well

00:51:48.059 --> 00:51:51.739
the army so active duty they issued me a bunch

00:51:51.739 --> 00:51:54.719
of tan t -shirts and then i got fat and then

00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:56.559
when i joined the reserves they issued me a bunch

00:51:56.559 --> 00:52:00.079
of these green ones and they still fit so yeah

00:52:01.659 --> 00:52:03.460
I wear a lot of green. I used to wear a lot of

00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:05.920
tan. I think the biggest issue, and I always

00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.539
forget, like I'll throw them on the floor, and

00:52:08.539 --> 00:52:11.000
then I'll be like, fuck, why is all this clothes

00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:12.320
on the floor? Then I put them in the washer.

00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.480
I do this. I've done this for years. I find like

00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:18.800
the XLs of my black shirts that don't fit anymore.

00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:20.980
I'll go to put them on and I'm like, nah, these

00:52:20.980 --> 00:52:22.639
are too fucking tight. And I throw them on the

00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.420
floor. I do that all the time. And I look at

00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:28.300
them and I go, I'll throw you away later. And

00:52:28.300 --> 00:52:30.800
then like a week goes by and I go, why are these

00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:32.960
fucking shirts on the floor? I need black shirts.

00:52:33.500 --> 00:52:36.239
So I go and wash them and then I repeat the cycle.

00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.579
I've been doing this for like four years. I also,

00:52:39.780 --> 00:52:42.820
for listeners, I also generally wear like khakis

00:52:42.820 --> 00:52:46.699
or I get like chore pants from Tractors of Likes

00:52:46.699 --> 00:52:49.849
for like 15 bucks. But the other day I had to

00:52:49.849 --> 00:52:51.750
wear some jeans, and I pulled some jeans out

00:52:51.750 --> 00:52:54.130
of my drawer, and I couldn't even get my thigh

00:52:54.130 --> 00:52:57.329
through it, like through the opening. So I looked

00:52:57.329 --> 00:53:01.329
at the size, and it was a 30 -30 from high school.

00:53:01.969 --> 00:53:08.869
From high school. I still have 38s from when

00:53:08.869 --> 00:53:12.090
I was like 20 -something, and now I have them

00:53:12.090 --> 00:53:16.719
in my closet. And I don't know why I keep them.

00:53:16.820 --> 00:53:18.360
I just remember when I bought them, they were

00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.639
expensive. And I was like, I don't want to throw

00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:23.719
them away. Maybe I'll lose weight and get back

00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.559
down to appropriate human size and not wear 43s

00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:33.460
anymore. Yeah, I have a leather jacket that I

00:53:33.460 --> 00:53:35.840
wore back in early high school. And that's been

00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.789
like, I'll be like. Yeah, I'm always going to

00:53:38.789 --> 00:53:40.489
get back down, and I'll be able to wear my cool

00:53:40.489 --> 00:53:43.969
leather jacket again. I have it in the closet,

00:53:44.130 --> 00:53:46.389
and it's just like, one day I'll get back to

00:53:46.389 --> 00:53:49.929
leather jacket size. It's just been sitting there

00:53:49.929 --> 00:53:56.800
since 2012. kind of on topic with that my dad

00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:00.199
found the jean jackets yeah that me and my sister

00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:02.960
wore when we were kids because we had a horseback

00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:05.699
riding group called the memory riders so it's

00:54:05.699 --> 00:54:08.360
got memory riders on the back it's really cool

00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:12.000
but i think i'm going to get one of those and

00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.480
have a botches patch sewed on the front for jackson

00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:19.300
yeah so he'll have both memory riders and botches

00:54:19.300 --> 00:54:21.300
on his shirt yeah that's the biggest part about

00:54:21.300 --> 00:54:23.969
being like bigger guy is it starts to really

00:54:23.969 --> 00:54:29.210
limit your clothing options like the botches

00:54:29.210 --> 00:54:31.250
jean jackets that we bought we got the biggest

00:54:31.250 --> 00:54:34.289
size available alan can barely wear it i don't

00:54:34.289 --> 00:54:36.829
think you could know one i think i i looked at

00:54:36.829 --> 00:54:39.969
it and i was like yeah no i could tell just by

00:54:39.969 --> 00:54:41.869
looking at this i would probably rip the seams

00:54:41.869 --> 00:54:46.309
out like they're really cool jackets but it just

00:54:46.309 --> 00:54:49.150
like if i was any bigger i couldn't wear one

00:54:49.150 --> 00:54:51.380
i think they're sized for like Asian people,

00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.559
not to be, like, rude. Normal -sized people.

00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:57.960
Asian people. Asian people in general are just

00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.199
smaller people. Yeah, but the jean jackets are

00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.019
sized for normal -sized people, and we're just

00:55:03.019 --> 00:55:05.039
not. We're your big guys. I don't know, man.

00:55:05.860 --> 00:55:07.400
I have been told. You know what always makes

00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:09.199
me feel good is when I go to, like, I went to

00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:11.320
Dennis the other day, and there was this old

00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.179
nurse, and she goes, wow, you got a big chest.

00:55:14.380 --> 00:55:17.800
And she meant it, like, from arm to arm. Because

00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:19.860
she had me in the x -ray machine that's supposed

00:55:19.860 --> 00:55:22.980
to go around you. And from arm to arm, I was

00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:24.920
almost touching the outside of it. And she's

00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:27.099
like, wow, you have a wide chest. And she's like

00:55:27.099 --> 00:55:30.059
touching my chest. I'm like, no, thanks. Oh,

00:55:30.179 --> 00:55:35.079
thank you. Like, guys, when they get catcalled,

00:55:35.219 --> 00:55:36.760
they don't give a shit. They're like, thanks.

00:55:38.019 --> 00:55:41.039
So a while ago, you know how I've been making

00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:44.360
those kind of cartoony cover arts for our podcast?

00:55:44.619 --> 00:55:47.750
Yeah. A while ago, I was going to joke with you,

00:55:47.769 --> 00:55:49.590
and I told it to make one of the characters very

00:55:49.590 --> 00:55:51.909
fat, and I was going to send it to the group

00:55:51.909 --> 00:55:55.090
text, and no matter what I did, AI could not

00:55:55.090 --> 00:55:58.570
make the character fat. Like, one time, they

00:55:58.570 --> 00:56:00.630
just made him have a big head, and I'm like,

00:56:00.730 --> 00:56:03.769
no, I want a fat person, not a big -headed person.

00:56:03.829 --> 00:56:05.670
I think big -headed would have probably been

00:56:05.670 --> 00:56:08.170
funnier, because Siena's... I have a massive

00:56:08.170 --> 00:56:11.829
head. Like, even without the hair, I can... Both

00:56:11.829 --> 00:56:16.690
literally and metaphorically. Yeah. Literally.

00:56:16.690 --> 00:56:20.550
Anyway. But, like, I can't fit into normal hat

00:56:20.550 --> 00:56:24.909
sizes, typically. Like, I have to, like, look

00:56:24.909 --> 00:56:27.789
for, when I try hats out, I think I have, like,

00:56:27.789 --> 00:56:30.289
40 of them. Like, that I bought from Tractor

00:56:30.289 --> 00:56:32.130
Supply because I wanted to wear them for the

00:56:32.130 --> 00:56:33.889
day because I wanted to get the hair out of my

00:56:33.889 --> 00:56:36.150
face or something. And I put them on. I'm like,

00:56:36.230 --> 00:56:38.349
these are way too fucking small. And they were

00:56:38.349 --> 00:56:40.110
only, like, $11. So I was like, I'm not going

00:56:40.110 --> 00:56:42.309
to, I'll just wear them when I get a haircut.

00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:44.920
I'll get the haircut. It's not the fucking hair

00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:47.099
that makes these hats too small. It's my big

00:56:47.099 --> 00:56:51.380
-ass head. So it's like I have a massive head.

00:56:51.460 --> 00:56:53.460
I can't even fit into normal Stormy Chromers

00:56:53.460 --> 00:56:57.360
like they have at the stores, which is a bummer

00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:59.719
because I want a Stormy Chromer. I think those

00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:03.480
are cool. We'll just have to find a XXL, XXL

00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:05.360
Stormy Chromer for you. Well, they do them in

00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:09.920
numbers. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah, because they

00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.380
size them like an actual hat, so like 7 1⁄4.

00:57:13.539 --> 00:57:17.139
That's small. You're probably like a 9 or a 10.

00:57:17.179 --> 00:57:19.000
Yeah, I'm probably like a 10, dude. I got a big

00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.860
-ass head. Because 7 1⁄4 is a pretty average

00:57:21.860 --> 00:57:26.239
size. So the Army also does our hats based on

00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:28.860
numbers, and like the most common one is like

00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:32.619
7 3⁄8. Yeah, I wish. I wish I had a smaller head.

00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:35.570
I don't know what I got going on in here. I think

00:57:35.570 --> 00:57:39.030
God gave me ADHD just to limit my brain power

00:57:39.030 --> 00:57:43.050
because I was too OP. He was like, I got to calm

00:57:43.050 --> 00:57:46.309
this guy down a bit. Well, I was watching a reel.

00:57:46.469 --> 00:57:48.670
Back to that big head thing. I was watching a

00:57:48.670 --> 00:57:50.449
reel, and there's this dog that had this really

00:57:50.449 --> 00:57:52.469
big head. They're like, yeah, we always thought

00:57:52.469 --> 00:57:54.929
she was pretty smart. And then she had a seizure,

00:57:55.050 --> 00:57:57.429
so they put her under an x -ray. And her brain's

00:57:57.429 --> 00:57:59.309
like the size of a pea. The rest of it's just

00:57:59.309 --> 00:58:02.610
water -filled. Yeah. Thanks, Gavin. Yeah, it

00:58:02.610 --> 00:58:07.679
probably is. I wouldn't be surprised. All this

00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.940
conspiracy theory is really what's filling up

00:58:09.940 --> 00:58:13.380
my brain power. It really is. All the conspiracy

00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:17.199
and the cryptid stuff that I research, I can't

00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:20.019
believe how much that stuff occupies my brain.

00:58:20.139 --> 00:58:25.880
Or stupid quips and chirps and stuff from the

00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.579
early 2000s that I still remember. Yeah, hey.

00:58:30.090 --> 00:58:32.070
What's going on with kids not doing that anymore?

00:58:32.250 --> 00:58:34.909
Like, it used to be, like, we had all these little

00:58:34.909 --> 00:58:36.929
things we'd say, and now they just say, six,

00:58:37.010 --> 00:58:40.750
seven. Yeah. It's like, dude, we had, like, actually

00:58:40.750 --> 00:58:45.769
funny things. Yeah. Like. Like, if I come up

00:58:45.769 --> 00:58:47.909
to you and I just go like this, what do you think

00:58:47.909 --> 00:58:52.670
of? Wait, what are you doing? I just go like

00:58:52.670 --> 00:58:55.630
this. Just hands. Wait, I can't do it because

00:58:55.630 --> 00:58:58.360
I'm like. I just think you're doing knife hands.

00:58:58.579 --> 00:59:01.219
Oh, no, you're not doing knife hands. No, the

00:59:01.219 --> 00:59:04.780
$5 foot long, dude. Oh, okay. Yeah, that would

00:59:04.780 --> 00:59:07.480
be more like this. You kind of just went, you

00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.659
angled your hands. Like, when I was in high school,

00:59:10.699 --> 00:59:14.019
we literally would just go like this. $5 foot

00:59:14.019 --> 00:59:22.739
long. Dude. What was the... Or, huh, gaze. Yep,

00:59:22.739 --> 00:59:26.809
or J .G. Wentworth. eight seven seven cash now

00:59:26.809 --> 00:59:29.130
oh my god you remember that that was stuck in

00:59:29.130 --> 00:59:31.550
my head the other day or the general the general

00:59:31.550 --> 00:59:34.190
used to have a really good theme song yeah dude

00:59:34.190 --> 00:59:36.969
yeah like that's what i'm saying is like they

00:59:36.969 --> 00:59:40.650
don't do that anymore no no that was like that

00:59:40.650 --> 00:59:42.869
was like pop culture like we use that on the

00:59:42.869 --> 00:59:45.929
regular yeah man they had those badass dorito

00:59:45.929 --> 00:59:49.489
commercials at superbowl now superbowl doesn't

00:59:49.489 --> 00:59:52.739
do any fucking cool commercials anymore Well,

00:59:52.820 --> 00:59:54.960
they had that really cool one about putting a

00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:59.500
blue square on the back of a Jewish person. Yeah,

01:00:01.340 --> 01:00:02.599
that doesn't sound great. I think the only good

01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:04.639
one was the Budweiser commercial. Budweiser was

01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.940
pretty dope. The eagle and the horse. Yeah, that

01:00:08.940 --> 01:00:12.619
was pretty cool. Okay, Sabrina Carpenter commercial

01:00:12.619 --> 01:00:15.739
with Pringles was actually pretty funny. Yeah,

01:00:15.860 --> 01:00:17.519
I like Sabrina Carpenter. I don't know, Sabrina

01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:23.409
Carpenter's hot. I don't get the hate. I don't

01:00:23.409 --> 01:00:27.190
either. She's funny. She's smart. Her music is

01:00:27.190 --> 01:00:30.369
catchy. It is catchy. But what is there to hate?

01:00:31.130 --> 01:00:35.369
She's pretty great. It is catchy. I'm not a big

01:00:35.369 --> 01:00:38.610
pop guy, but her one album, I've listened to

01:00:38.610 --> 01:00:42.619
that multiple times. I ended up downloading it

01:00:42.619 --> 01:00:44.920
on our Zooms because I enjoy it so much. It's

01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.380
good. Yeah. And I'm not that kind of guy. But

01:00:47.380 --> 01:00:49.960
her music videos behind them, too, they're really

01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.480
good. Oh, yeah. They're funny. Yeah. Even her

01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:54.420
voice is that way. What's the one with Jenna

01:00:54.420 --> 01:00:59.039
Ortega where they're killing each other? Oh.

01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:02.980
I can't remember what it's called, but it's funny

01:01:02.980 --> 01:01:09.800
as hell. Taste or something like that? Maybe.

01:01:10.779 --> 01:01:15.719
um kiss no i think it's taste yeah nope you're

01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:18.980
right it's taste yeah that's funny if you haven't

01:01:18.980 --> 01:01:20.920
seen that one that's kind of funny dude oh and

01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.420
they do kiss in that song okay cool yeah they

01:01:23.420 --> 01:01:25.659
do but they they kill each other throughout the

01:01:25.659 --> 01:01:28.440
song it's like uh because they're fighting over

01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.619
a guy yeah they're fighting over a guy and then

01:01:30.619 --> 01:01:33.559
i think the end of the song they real they realize

01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:37.059
that they ended up killing the guy on accident

01:01:37.059 --> 01:01:40.630
because they were fighting so much And then they

01:01:40.630 --> 01:01:43.590
just ended up just, like, leaving together as,

01:01:43.630 --> 01:01:44.730
like, girlfriends or something. I don't know.

01:01:45.010 --> 01:01:48.050
But it was funny. It was, like, a good storyline

01:01:48.050 --> 01:01:52.969
to it. Dude, like, I'm also not a pop music fan

01:01:52.969 --> 01:01:54.989
generally, but, like, her music's funny. It's

01:01:54.989 --> 01:01:58.550
fun. Yeah. There's still some decent music out

01:01:58.550 --> 01:02:02.030
there. Like, oh, I didn't even realize. Did you

01:02:02.030 --> 01:02:07.409
see Matt Rife was on one of Red Clay Strays'

01:02:07.550 --> 01:02:12.280
music videos? i did not i love red clay yeah

01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:15.139
i know and i know you do and i love red you turn

01:02:15.139 --> 01:02:20.360
me on to red clay strays and they have a music

01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:24.159
video that has matt rife in it it's uh if i didn't

01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:27.260
know you is what it's called that's a good that's

01:02:27.260 --> 01:02:29.699
a good song i just didn't realize he was i haven't

01:02:29.699 --> 01:02:32.119
watched I haven't really watched a lot of music

01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.440
videos. I just listen to them. Yeah. Same. But

01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:36.639
he has got bleached hair in this one. So I, at

01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.860
first I was looking at it and then as soon as

01:02:38.860 --> 01:02:40.179
he started talking, I'm like, Oh yeah, that's

01:02:40.179 --> 01:02:43.679
Matt Rife. He's a funny fucker too. Yeah. Yeah.

01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:46.380
No red clay straight. Like if you want just good

01:02:46.380 --> 01:02:49.099
music, that's just catchy and fits in almost

01:02:49.099 --> 01:02:51.659
any scene, play some red clay stories. Like I

01:02:51.659 --> 01:02:54.440
have not played a red clay stray song and had

01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:56.059
someone been like, man, I really don't like.

01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:58.679
Yeah. Yeah. And like, I don't, I don't love a

01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:02.510
lot of like the, There's some artists, like,

01:03:02.570 --> 01:03:04.449
you know, remember when we were talking about

01:03:04.449 --> 01:03:10.730
doing those artists that didn't have, you know,

01:03:10.750 --> 01:03:13.269
like playing them in our episode? I can't remember

01:03:13.269 --> 01:03:15.550
what it was called. I don't love a lot of those

01:03:15.550 --> 01:03:17.750
guys, and I thought when you introduced them

01:03:17.750 --> 01:03:21.849
that that was them. But you ended up just telling

01:03:21.849 --> 01:03:23.809
me about them when I said I like, like, Hozier

01:03:23.809 --> 01:03:25.989
or something, or Hozier, which I love Hozier,

01:03:26.010 --> 01:03:29.920
too. Yeah. But... Yeah, they're almost like a

01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:35.559
bluegrass country -ish. Their genre is like,

01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:38.500
they call it like dark country, murder country.

01:03:38.579 --> 01:03:41.840
Something. It doesn't give off murder country,

01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.800
but it gives off like hosier mixed with country

01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:51.619
to me. But really good music. I love them. Them

01:03:51.619 --> 01:03:54.280
and the Dead South. That's another Dead South.

01:03:55.329 --> 01:03:57.769
rock solid dead south reminds me a lot of like

01:03:57.769 --> 01:04:00.389
some of hank three i don't know if you guys ever

01:04:00.389 --> 01:04:03.449
listened to hank for sure but oh yeah but yeah

01:04:03.449 --> 01:04:06.590
hank three back in the early 2013s or something

01:04:06.590 --> 01:04:08.730
when i was listening to them uh but those are

01:04:08.730 --> 01:04:11.489
good like trail music that's like they're they're

01:04:11.489 --> 01:04:14.670
on my trail like red clay strays hosier i even

01:04:14.670 --> 01:04:16.489
have a sabrina carpenter on some of them because

01:04:16.489 --> 01:04:19.750
a kid really likes it but uh k -pop demon hunters

01:04:19.750 --> 01:04:22.250
is super popular and they're not even bad songs

01:04:22.250 --> 01:04:25.969
either so we have that part of i don't i don't

01:04:25.969 --> 01:04:27.469
even i couldn't even tell you about that one

01:04:27.469 --> 01:04:29.510
that was good they have some catchy songs but

01:04:29.510 --> 01:04:33.889
uh the the kid will literally karaoke style sing

01:04:33.889 --> 01:04:37.769
those songs he loves them so much so yeah those

01:04:37.769 --> 01:04:39.789
are good trail songs and we listen to those on

01:04:39.789 --> 01:04:44.349
the trail all the time or i'll do uh like early

01:04:44.349 --> 01:04:50.719
2000s like rap like 50 cent ludicrous oh me and

01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:53.239
mark definitely listen to dad rock like oh i

01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:57.260
do dad rocks awesome like what was i listening

01:04:57.260 --> 01:05:03.280
to like three days grace nickelback um yeah which

01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:07.679
one was i literally just listening to weezer

01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.739
weezer yep i was i listened to the other day

01:05:10.739 --> 01:05:13.099
i i got this weird feeling that i just needed

01:05:13.099 --> 01:05:16.059
to like blast some music in my ears so i was

01:05:16.059 --> 01:05:21.570
listening to what is it gautier um uh what is

01:05:21.570 --> 01:05:25.349
it called um somebody that i used to know just

01:05:25.349 --> 01:05:28.190
one of those eargasm musics that i just love

01:05:28.190 --> 01:05:32.530
hearing yeah and then um that's a good song there's

01:05:32.530 --> 01:05:38.909
a a instrumental band called polyphia and they

01:05:38.909 --> 01:05:43.250
are just like guitarists and they are probably

01:05:43.250 --> 01:05:49.079
one of the most like like talented new guitarists

01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:53.400
that there are out there and it's just really

01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:57.380
intricate really fast i would almost say like

01:05:57.380 --> 01:06:02.820
adhd music because it's just so everywhere and

01:06:02.820 --> 01:06:05.260
the way he picks the guitar is really fast and

01:06:05.260 --> 01:06:08.920
really unique um but yeah it's really good stuff

01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:12.130
so there's a Now we're talking about music, man.

01:06:12.190 --> 01:06:13.789
I can talk about this all day. There's a new

01:06:13.789 --> 01:06:17.469
-ish country artist. Her name's Emily Zek. Her

01:06:17.469 --> 01:06:22.769
music is so good. It's kind of Dolly -like. She's

01:06:22.769 --> 01:06:25.889
got a song called It Ain't Me that is just fucking

01:06:25.889 --> 01:06:29.170
great. And the music video that goes with it

01:06:29.170 --> 01:06:39.530
is so good. Yep. But a lot of her music is very...

01:06:40.170 --> 01:06:44.070
I'd almost say Dolly Parton level. Yeah. Oh,

01:06:44.170 --> 01:06:47.769
this is good. I'm listening to it right now.

01:06:47.789 --> 01:06:51.250
It's really good. Let me just subscribe to this

01:06:51.250 --> 01:06:53.969
right quick. I'll have to listen to it when we

01:06:53.969 --> 01:06:57.929
get done. She's one of those more modern artists

01:06:57.929 --> 01:06:59.849
that I actually listen to on the regular because

01:06:59.849 --> 01:07:04.590
it's just good stuff. Yeah. Modern country has

01:07:04.590 --> 01:07:10.070
come a long way, a lot farther than... any other

01:07:10.070 --> 01:07:13.750
genre of music when it comes to kind of reigniting

01:07:13.750 --> 01:07:18.210
the old country spirit for sure um who's the

01:07:18.210 --> 01:07:22.789
other guy but not not so much like on radio right

01:07:22.789 --> 01:07:25.309
like yeah we've got a lot more of that country

01:07:25.309 --> 01:07:27.849
spirit but it's it's not happening on the radio

01:07:27.849 --> 01:07:30.309
anymore no not at all not on the radio there

01:07:30.309 --> 01:07:35.889
is oh god what's that one guy um bailey zimmerman

01:07:35.889 --> 01:07:39.980
back when he was Older did some decent music.

01:07:41.099 --> 01:07:45.260
And even Morgan Wallen had some. But who I'm

01:07:45.260 --> 01:07:49.119
thinking of is Colter Wall. Colter Wall has some

01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:53.099
of the best new age, old time country music.

01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:58.400
Super, super. Oh, yeah. This guy has got one

01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:04.630
of the best voices out there. I would even dare

01:08:04.630 --> 01:08:07.050
to say that red clay strays is pretty country.

01:08:07.130 --> 01:08:10.590
And they also, they're like a modern twist on

01:08:10.590 --> 01:08:14.750
a more classic sound. Yeah. Um, the dead South.

01:08:17.109 --> 01:08:19.369
Yeah. There's no denying that's a country band.

01:08:19.449 --> 01:08:23.949
Oh my God. Uh, the song, uh, in hell, I'll be

01:08:23.949 --> 01:08:26.310
in good company or whatever. The whole start

01:08:26.310 --> 01:08:28.789
of that song. Oh my God, dude. The whistling.

01:08:28.829 --> 01:08:32.699
Yep. Tyler Childers is another one, too. It gives

01:08:32.699 --> 01:08:35.720
me chills listening to the beginning of that

01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:39.939
song. Tyler Childers. One of the best variants

01:08:39.939 --> 01:08:42.859
of that is when they're popping the beers. Yeah.

01:08:44.819 --> 01:08:49.640
Who was that kid we went and saw in Fremont?

01:08:49.979 --> 01:08:52.380
I don't remember. I was going to say, did we

01:08:52.380 --> 01:08:55.739
even get a CD from them yet? We didn't, but he

01:08:55.739 --> 01:09:00.960
was really good. I think I subscribed to him

01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:03.640
on Spotify. Give me a second. There was an indie

01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:07.720
band from Michigan that I saw on Beaver Island.

01:09:07.859 --> 01:09:09.439
They have this thing called Beaver Island Music

01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:15.000
Fest. And they had music artists from all over

01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:20.260
come in. And there was a couple girls that came

01:09:20.260 --> 01:09:25.840
up and did a few songs. And one of them was called

01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:29.609
Lemon and Camomile. and i don't even know how

01:09:29.609 --> 01:09:35.609
to spell chamomile chamomile i don't know but

01:09:35.609 --> 01:09:39.470
anyway um they they ended up blowing up in the

01:09:39.470 --> 01:09:45.949
indie um the indie spot and yeah there that was

01:09:45.949 --> 01:09:47.970
like a really good song too and i'm not really

01:09:47.970 --> 01:09:52.789
big into like the indie music scene but it was

01:09:52.789 --> 01:09:56.119
good mid Midland's really good, too. More of

01:09:56.119 --> 01:10:02.020
that, like, modern country. What is it? Midland.

01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:05.340
The band Midland. Yeah, I've never heard of it,

01:10:05.420 --> 01:10:08.819
but... I'm trying to find the name of that artist

01:10:08.819 --> 01:10:11.720
that we went and saw. He's from, like, Battle

01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:15.699
Creek area. Yeah. What is it? Not Big Small.

01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:19.479
Who was one of the other country rappers? I can't

01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:23.000
remember what his name... Big... I don't know.

01:10:23.710 --> 01:10:25.970
Colt Ford? Colt Ford, yeah. I went and saw him

01:10:25.970 --> 01:10:32.449
in, I want to say Kalkaska, in the early 2010s,

01:10:32.449 --> 01:10:36.930
and that was the first time I had ever been to

01:10:36.930 --> 01:10:41.829
a music concert, and he threw one of his band's

01:10:41.829 --> 01:10:46.550
snare sticks, and I had it for the longest time.

01:10:46.630 --> 01:10:48.590
I don't know whatever happened to it. I probably

01:10:48.590 --> 01:10:51.689
used it in band because I didn't really value

01:10:51.689 --> 01:10:55.890
that stuff. as much as I maybe should have. But

01:10:55.890 --> 01:10:59.310
it was really cool. I cannot remember what that

01:10:59.310 --> 01:11:04.890
kid's name is. But, I mean, I guess just to wrap

01:11:04.890 --> 01:11:06.710
it up, I at least got to shout out Gunner and

01:11:06.710 --> 01:11:08.470
the Grizzly Boys because they're our local boys.

01:11:08.670 --> 01:11:12.470
Yeah, I guess we really went off topic this time.

01:11:12.670 --> 01:11:17.170
But to wrap it back in, this is all good trail

01:11:17.170 --> 01:11:19.270
music, and maybe you guys could pick a couple

01:11:19.270 --> 01:11:22.010
of these guys up and incorporate them into your

01:11:22.010 --> 01:11:26.100
trails. Oh, one last thing before we go. I did

01:11:26.100 --> 01:11:28.359
get a new card game that we could play at camp.

01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:32.779
And Sienna bought it for me for Christmas. And

01:11:32.779 --> 01:11:36.939
I've forgotten to tell you guys about it. It

01:11:36.939 --> 01:11:40.500
is... I didn't even know it was a thing, but

01:11:40.500 --> 01:11:45.300
it's called Not It. And it's a Cryptid Hunters

01:11:45.300 --> 01:11:49.220
edition. So that's why she got it for me. But

01:11:49.220 --> 01:11:52.850
it's basically like... It's got a bunch of cryptid

01:11:52.850 --> 01:11:56.390
creatures, and there's a bunch of cards in there

01:11:56.390 --> 01:11:59.949
with four sets of cryptids, and they have different

01:11:59.949 --> 01:12:02.710
patterns. And it's kind of like a goldfish game.

01:12:04.189 --> 01:12:07.649
And the hunter is the youngest person that plays,

01:12:07.670 --> 01:12:11.130
usually. And they end up being the hunter, and

01:12:11.130 --> 01:12:13.130
they have to ask you these questions. And if

01:12:13.130 --> 01:12:16.329
you have that combination, they have to give

01:12:16.329 --> 01:12:22.090
it to you or something like that. Yes, Mark.

01:12:22.210 --> 01:12:26.470
That's it. What is it? Myron Elkins, I think.

01:12:26.609 --> 01:12:29.710
Oh, Myron Elkins. Yes. Oh. Yeah, he's pretty

01:12:29.710 --> 01:12:34.529
good. You remember Walmart Yodeler? Yes. Remember

01:12:34.529 --> 01:12:38.449
him? You know, that sang Hank One in the middle

01:12:38.449 --> 01:12:41.409
of that Walmart? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

01:12:41.409 --> 01:12:44.590
he's grown up and done real country music, and

01:12:44.590 --> 01:12:49.270
it's really good. Really? Yes. Hold on. Let me

01:12:49.270 --> 01:12:52.619
look up his name real quick. Then we'll really

01:12:52.619 --> 01:12:54.640
leave you guys. We won't keep talking about music.

01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:59.819
We promise. Mason Ramsey. Mason Ramsey. Look

01:12:59.819 --> 01:13:04.680
up his new music. And he actually has some really

01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:07.800
good new country music. Keeps that same vibe

01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:12.439
of the old style country. And he's a lot older

01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:17.359
now. He's like 18 now, which is crazy. But I

01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:20.949
don't know how old he is. I think he's like 18

01:13:20.949 --> 01:13:24.449
now. But he hit puberty, so his voice is deeper

01:13:24.449 --> 01:13:26.369
now. So he's doing all that different country

01:13:26.369 --> 01:13:29.510
music in a deeper voice. That's awesome. But

01:13:29.510 --> 01:13:31.909
you should listen to his music. Tell me which

01:13:31.909 --> 01:13:34.449
ones you like, Alex, because I think you'll like

01:13:34.449 --> 01:13:39.689
those. But on that note, we're at an hour 13,

01:13:39.829 --> 01:13:43.989
so we should wrap this up. Yeah. Catch you guys

01:13:43.989 --> 01:13:45.689
later. Yeah. Good luck on your music.