Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Do we even have
a topic for today? Of course we do. We always
have topics. Yeah, we're going to talk about...
Let's check for voicemails. Yes. That's usually
our running go -to here. Yeah, so please send
in voicemails because we love them. Oh, here,
before you do this, because if I forget, I won't
remember to ask later, when we go on trips, is
there anything you take back with you? Like,
for instance, wow, I bit my own tongue saying
that. For instance, my wife takes back rocks,
and we like stickers from tourist shops. Like,
if I find a really cool leaf or some shit, I'll
bring it back. Do you guys ever do anything like
that? Is it something you do every trip, or is
it just when you find something cool? I mean,
if I find a cool -ass rock, I'm taking the cool
-ass rock. Yeah. For me, when it comes to rocks,
I think it's the first ever time doing it. I've
been to Drummond so many times, I haven't done
rocks, but I did rocks the first time. Yeah.
Yeah. I like when we were on. We brought home
some more fossils every time. Yeah. Except the
last time. It varies. Because I remember the
second time we went, I dove for that rock. Yeah,
I remember you talking about that. A really big
one. Yeah, I was just thinking about that. Because
I have a massive collection of things that I
have accumulated from vacations or adventures.
So I have... I should take a picture of them.
But I have a whole... My whole wall is... digital
pictures that i've taken with my phone oh sorry
i gotta wait for my mic a little bit but digital
pictures that i've taken with my phone that i
printed out at walmart and then i've hung them
up on my wall and then i have a road map taped
to my door and i highlight or i try to highlight
every road that i've taken when i record a map
so that You know, like, you could see everywhere
we've gone, and then I have all the pictures
and stuff from the adventures around it. And
then, you know, I have, like, our MST calendar,
our botches calendar. I don't have, though. And
then... Do we make a botches calendar? Not this
year, I don't think. No. And, yeah, and then
I have, like, pamphlets. Like, remember, I don't
know if this is a Michigander thing, but when
we used to go on vacation as kids... We used
to collect the pamphlets from the visitor centers
like Pokemon cards. We used to do that too. Everyone,
like I have Shipwreck Tours, Oswald's, the Mystery
Spot. They were like collector's cards, and you'd
always take a handful of them with you. I don't
know how those people made money because, dude,
we were robbing them blind. Every one of us got
like five each, and then they ended up being
like Firestarter because we never used them.
Dude, we should start. a uh trading card game
that'd be pretty fun we should we should use
pamphlets as that cut out cut out the emblems
into a rectangle trading card it'd be michigan
in general should have like a trading card game
where every say rest stop has its own card like
that actually be kind of speaking yeah uh that
would be like a collectible yeah exactly That
you have to go to that location to collect. Yeah.
I like that because it's, like, I like the Jeep
badge of honor thing. I think that's super cool,
and I would love to collect that, but I can't
do a lot of them, and it's cheap. Or all roads
taken. Yeah. So it would be really cool to get,
like, I've always wanted to do all the, what
do you call them, like, state parks, national
parks? Manistee National Forest, whatever they
are, and get all, like, the badges for them,
like the Velcro, and, like, throw them on the
roof. Like, of all the, like, cool, I've been
to Huron State Forest. Or, hey, I went to this
state forest and, like, spent a week there. That'd
be super sick. Yeah. And we've been to a lot
of them. Like, so, like, and then just do, like,
Chris Point Lighthouse. Or, hey, we went to Whitefish
Point Lighthouse and have them be patches. that
you could Velcro and throw on your roof and have
them just kind of cover your roof. So kind of
checkpoints, cool places that you've been. And
then conversation points, too, because people
come in, look at your truck, whatever, and they're
like, holy shit. I've got a shit ton of patches
on my roof. It's pretty cool. Mark's got one
really cool one that just says slut. I think
I only have one, and I think it's the one I won.
on the mst poker run last the year before this
and that's the only one i have mark's got an
mst one he's got a slot one what else do you
have you got american flag uh you drop this into
brain oh yeah yeah then there's like a tactical
kitty or something like that oh yeah yeah i've
got and then i also got um duncan's um Oh, yeah,
unit patch. Unit patch. I should order some of
my unit patches. But then comes the question
of which unit patches do I order? 304th, 40th,
or 180th? Why not all of them? Okay, good point.
I need a botches patch, though. Yeah, I want
a Velcro botches patch. Mine was a Velcro, and
you just make it a Velcro one. Can you? I didn't
see that as an option. Yeah, you just take a
piece of Velcro, and you stick it to the back,
and then cut it out. Oh, fuck, okay. That's what
you're saying. Every patch you can do that with,
because patches come with this iron -on glue,
and when you stick the Velcro to the back, it
does not come off afterwards. Yeah, I thought
you meant from the store you could get Velcro,
and I'm like, I don't remember that being an
option. no sadly it is not an option but i might
do that with my stuff too but yeah no so i was
just wondering because i was looking over and
i have that collection on my wall from pictures
and adventures that we've taken and then i have
four or five jars full of like water and rocks
that we found on like superior and all over the
state butosky leelanau Um, I have some gemstones
that we got from the, uh, what is that called?
The you per trap or the tourist trap in the,
in the UP. You remember that? It's got the big,
um, I want to say it's the you per spot or something.
It's got the, uh, like the biggest double barrel
in the world. It's just like a big wooden double
barrel. It's got like a giant chair. that's got
a little gem store next to it it's literally
just one massive tourist trap store with a bunch
of like knickknacks yeah i don't remember yeah
but it's uh it's one of those like when you go
to the up and you're a tourist it's like one
of those gotta gotta go to places um but yeah
no so we got a bunch of that i was just curious
like uh you guys call in if anybody's like if
you collect some kind of knickknacks so because
we got like a couple of like native american
collectible like instruments and stuff from the
museum and um what is it st ignace the native
american museum if we go up there we always stop
there and buy something from them and talk to
them for a little bit they're that's a super
cool museum my unit patch from uh My second unit
is, like, impossible to find. God damn it. Well,
that's what happens when a unit gets disbanded.
True. Yeah. That's what happens when you keep
putting your wiener inside of foxholes. Anyways,
we have some voicemails. Both of them are marked
as unknown caller. I think I know one of them.
We're going to find out. First one's a minute
long. Second one's 39 seconds. So here we go.
Turn it up. It's all the way up. I'm going to
start it over now that I figured out. Oh, God.
You are horrible now. Yeah, that was. Sorry,
listeners. I turned my mic volume up so that
I could catch this person. So I am sorry for
me blasting you. I'm going to turn my mic volume
up again and then play it and then turn it back
down. Yeah. So here we go. your chicken, dice
up your steak, whatever it is that you're going
to have, and your vegetables in advance, put
them in bags, and season it up. I prefer Meat
Church brand fajita seasoning as opposed to that
goopy, syrupy, nasty stuff that most people use
for fajitas. Just put it all in a bag, let it
sit there until you're ready for camp. That was
Joe Caron, right? I think that was Joe Caron.
I think so, too, because I asked him to do one,
and he said he'd try. Yeah, that's awesome. Is
my mic volume back to where it was? Or a little
down, maybe. Maybe it's just a little bit down.
How's that? Is that better? Yeah. Okay. Sorry,
listeners, if I'm all over the place with volume.
We haven't come up with a better way to do this
yet. I was wondering, can you just... Oh, you
can't. I was going to say, can you just log on
to Google from the computer and have it read
out? But I don't think it would play the sound
through our speakers. Maybe. I got a point with
it. Yeah, we'll check that out later. But yeah,
no, that's a great idea. Fajitas are always,
always a winner. It goes back to what we were
saying about it being a, it's one of those many
trick pony meals. Like you can always. do a lot
of fajita meat and do many different, you know,
do walking tacos one day, fajitas the next. Breakfast
burritos the next day. Quesadillas. Like, yeah.
Yeah, really good one. Yeah. So, all right, and
the next one is 39 seconds. I'm going to try
just playing it before I turn my mic up because
I don't want to have to do that. Just relax,
have something quick and easy. One of my favorites
is Ludwig's Sour Cream Original Donuts. You can
get them in the freezer aisle at most Michigan
stores. There's 12 in a package. They store well,
and, man, those things are good. I've cut coffee
with one of those, set them out on fire in the
morning, and you're all set. I think that might
have been Joe as well. That was Joe Caron a second
time, for sure. Yeah, so it's funny that you
say that because there's another guy that we
camp with. It's Scott, right? Austin's dad. Is
his name Scott? Maybe. No, it's not Scott. It's
Tom. Sorry, Tom. But, yeah, Tom, Austin Winter's
dad, every time in the morning, I'm like, what
do you got for breakfast, man? He's like. He
just has this big old box of donuts, like, you
know, those plastic containers. He's like, yep,
this is my breakfast and lunch. I'm like, okay,
here, eat something. Like, yeah, there are some
days where, like, quick breakfast is the way.
And I'm not going to lie, like, on those days
it's usually a Pop -Tart for me or not even that
and just have a Monster and go because Monster
just kind of suppresses my appetite in the morning.
Dude. Nothing slaps like a Bud Light and an egg
in the morning. I'll tell you what. Just an egg.
Dude, I like just cracking me a boiled egg in
the morning. If I could get with a boiled egg
or a pickled egg. Dude, boiled eggs are a pretty
solid choice. Boiled eggs are a, I will say this,
for the record, for a camp meal, those are an
extremely underrated option. Yeah, you just boil
them at home. Boil them at home. Throw them in
half and half. Half and half, same carton as
your real eggs. So if you get 18 of them, do
half and half. Those are great lunches. You can
make egg salad sandwiches. I mean, eggs are a
big filler. You could throw them in your salads.
It's great. On that note, just bring some pickled
eggs. Pickled eggs should just be a standard
in every camp. Absolutely bomb. Dude. So a hack
for that. If you go to Menards, it has to be
Menards. I haven't found them anywhere else.
Back in their grocery aisle, they've got these
small little jars with like, what, six eggs in
them? Six, maybe eight. Six. Yeah. Tiny little
jars. It's the only pickled eggs they've got
in the store. And they're original. It's just
vinegar. No other flavorings. Oh, my God, dude.
They are the best pickled eggs you'll ever have.
Oh, yeah. So I had from Family Farm and Home.
It's like a Michigan farm store. Now, I guess
they're kind of coming around now. But anyway,
they had pickled quail eggs there around last
Christmas. And they kind of carry it, I think,
year -round. But I bought it as a white elephant
gift for Christmas. And it got passed around
the whole thing. Nobody wanted these fucking
eggs. And finally, the person that got them just
handed them back to me and was like, I'm not
fucking touching these. I opened them up right
there and started popping those quail eggs in
my mouth. I'm like, these are so good. And maybe
it's not FDA safe, but it's very easy to re -pickle
eggs. Like, you could slow pickle by just throwing
boiled eggs, peeled boiled eggs back in the brine.
and putting them back in the fridge and letting
them sit. Or you can heat the brine back up in
a saucepan and then put your eggs in there. And
that works the same way as how they were originally
pickled because pickled eggs are originally with
a hot brine, and that's how you get so much flavor
inside of them. But, yeah, no, I used to do like
the Vlasic dill pickles. I'd eat all the pickles
out of that and then throw some eggs in there.
Pickled eggs are so good, dude. I mean, is it
Vogel's? No. What is that big jar, or Kogel's,
the big jar of pickled bologna? I think it's
Kogel's. It's like $15 now for a jar, but that
is my favorite, favorite snack food. The Hot
Mama or whatever from the gas station? oh my
god i love i yeah and i look at those and i'm
like dude a gas station pickled bologna i'm like
there's gotta be something wrong i've eaten them
well the thing is well they're not just gas station
like it's a really well -known brand it just
they sell them individually packaged i know it's
just it's it for me it's just like dude this
feels it feels wrong They're so good. It feels
good. It's like getting gas station sushi. You
know this isn't the gas station specialty here,
and maybe this isn't the best idea, but it's
so good. Oh, gas stations do not. Fresh food,
not pickled food, but fresh food from a gas station,
always a bad idea. I don't know, man. Wesco?
I've never gone wrong with Wesco food. Wesco
fresh deli food? There's exceptions. Let me rephrase
that. Sushi. Sushi from any gas station, always
right. I don't know, man. Wesco's got sushi,
and I can't say I haven't tried it. It's not
the greatest, but I never got sick. I have had
sushi from gas stations in Korea and gotten sick.
Yeah, I was going to say, that's significantly
safer, I would imagine. Still not recommended.
Yeah. And who could tell with us, though? Because
with me and Alex, our bodies are so finicky with
this stuff that it could be literally anything.
Mine used to not be. Yeah, well, I know. Maybe
it's because you stopped eating MREs. My time
in Korea kind of set all that in motion. It was
all the kimchi. Dude, I ate so much kimchi while
I was there. Yeah. I want to try some kimchi
again. I still eat a lot of kimchi. You know,
speaking of pickled things, when you eat sushi
and there's that What is that pickled garnish?
It's pickled ginger? Maybe. I'm not the biggest
sushi fan. Yeah, I think it's pickled ginger.
It's supposed to be like a palate cleanser. That
is the most disgusting food I think I've ever
tried. And because to me, when I eat it, it tastes
like I'm eating Lysol. Like fruity Lysol. I don't
understand how people like pickled ginger. It
really cleanses your palate then. Oh, yeah, yeah.
It disinfects everything. Yeah. I'd rather eat
a glob of wasabi than pickled ginger any day,
which I like wasabi, so that's not saying much.
But, yeah. No. I'm trying to think. I don't think
we really missed anything. I was really happy
with the last episode with the AI food generated.
I think that was actually a really good. They
did a really good idea on budget, and maybe we
should do an AI -generated camp gear budget.
Get me the best. Yeah? Yeah, at some point we
can do like a get me the best camp gear for a
three -day weekend for, what do you think, like
$100, $200? What's realistic for starting from
scratch camp gear? I'd say $150. I feel like
you could tackle a lot of that out of Walmart,
but I'm just curious. But we can do that at some
point and talk about that. That would be interesting.
I'm doing it right now. Yeah. Yeah. I really
like that idea. That's a really fun one. I'm
just curious, because it did so well on the food.
I'm not saying that because I don't love AI.
I think that it's cool for some uses, but...
For a lot of it, it's just kind of like blah.
But they had some really solid food choices there,
and I'm just curious what brands they go with
when you're trying to do a good camp budget equipment.
Okay, so unlike when we did the food, it kind
of gives you links to different things. It recommends
Coleman two -person tents that range from $40
to $80. It also has a Tenton tent here and a
Kelty. That's $82. I told it to do for two people.
That makes it realistic to be under $150. Once
you start adding kids, it gets a little bit harder.
And then it recommends Standsport two -person
convertible sleeping bag for $75. That's already
over budget then. Close. No, it is. You're like,
because it's 80 for a tent. 75. Yeah. Over 150.
Yeah, it's already over budget. Oh, I thought
you were saying it ranged from when you were
talking about the tents. It ranged from 40 to
80, but the one they recommend is 76 and 99.
Yeah. So the AI isn't making a list. It's just
giving you recommendations for under 150 for
probably each item. They're saying that the cheapest
tent you could get from Coleman is $40. Because
when I look at their budget, it says tent, spend
$40 on a Coleman. Sleeping bag, $75, which is
their two -person. $25 on Firestarter, because
they're saying to get these waterproof Firestarter
matches. I'm sorry, I can start a fire for way
less than $25. Well, and especially if you're
two -season camping in the summer. um a sleeping
bag isn't necessarily even the go well you can
just bring your home comforter really yeah it'd
be fine if you if you were really trying to get
you out camping on a budget uh yeah a 20 to a
20 to 40 dollar colbin tent if you're going out
for the first time isn't really the worst you
can do just don't don't buy like the $40 two
-person tent and then get like a 15 inch inflatable
mattress mark you remember when we were at leatherwood
and there were those two ladies yeah they had
from the top of their mattress to the top of
their tent was maybe a foot and a half it took
it took them so long to get that that uh air
mattress in that tent Wait, they inflated it
and then put it in the tent? Oh, my god, dude.
The first time. Then they deflated it, put it
in, and inflated it. Rookies. Oh, my god, dude.
Yeah, so I forgot. I had an air mattress, and
I gave it to my father -in -law, who came with
us camping on the cryptid trip. And he had a
two - to three -person tent. It wasn't the smallest
tent. and he had started inflating it, and he
had probably a foot and a half, two feet, and
he was just kind of, you could see him going
in there. I said, well, at least it'll be warm.
And he said, yeah, because it got low, pretty
low that night, and he's like, yeah, you know,
I just kind of covered the blanket over my head.
He goes, oh, it's fine. I was like, good thing.
Like, I was worried about him because he's always
old. He's old, man. He's always old. Yeah. I
think once you're old, you're kind of going to
stay old. I don't know. It's like sometimes they
feel younger than they are, but he's always old.
But, no, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you can't really
go wrong with a cheap Coleman tent the first
couple times you're out. It gives you a good
base of, like, what you want. I would never recommend
anybody buying a shift pod for their first tent.
Did you get that one I sent you off Marketplace?
I mean, I didn't get it, but I saw it, yeah.
They want so much for that thing. What is it?
How much was it? Like $600? $800. Oh, yeah. I
mean, it's originally like $1 ,200. Yeah, but
still, it's like once you use a tent, and it's
well used. It's not like it's a brand new tent.
And let's be honest, shift pods are ugly. They
look like a NASA, something NASA made. They're
like reflectible, like aluminum foil, quilted
aluminum foils. And all they are is a quilted,
insulated remake of Gazelles. They are no different
as far as like construction or anything else
goes. Gazelles sell for $400, $500, and these
with added quilt sell for $1 ,200. It's like,
what the fuck? Yeah, it's insane. You know who
else does that for cheaper is Free Spirit. Free
Spirit does one. Drew, the guy that had the 5th
Gen 4Runner FBI. I don't know if you guys have
met him. His name is Drew. I feel like I have.
Yeah, he had the 4Runner, the white one, and
then he got a Jeep Rubicon. Oh, yeah, okay. But
he had a Free Spirit Recreation pop -up, and
that was pretty cool, really. It came quilted
and everything, and he got it with the purchase
of something else, I think he said. That was
pretty cool, but it was a double, and it was
just way too much. It was just too big. But,
I mean, still no different from a Gazelle, just
added quilt and changed the color. Really. Yeah.
Really no different. Yeah, I think AI is a little
out of touch on that list. It didn't do as good
as it did with the actual menu. Yeah, that's
odd. I mean, I can't say I'm super surprised
because that is kind of detailed. Kelty isn't
a bad brand, but it's more of a backpacker's
brand. And Teton is kind of like a cheap backpacker's
brand and opening. I mean, I guess Coleman, Kelty,
and Teton are all kind of an opener, starter
brand. I would say Coleman being the cheapest
quality, Teton being the middle ground. Kelty
being the higher end of those. I've had a bunch
of each one of those. I have Kelty equipment
here, and Kelty is not a bad brand. They just
do better in some areas than others. I think
their tent game lacks a little bit. I think they
make cutesy tents, and I think a lot of girls
go for the cutesy -looking tents because they
have fun colors and stuff. But their bags and
stuff are really good. I can't really complain
about those, but their organization systems are
good. I think they have the camp organizer for
your kitchenware, the roll -up. I think that's
really cool. So they do better with some things
than others. Still AI, way out of touch on that
one. I think if you go to Ozark Trail, Ozark
Trail is known for being a cheap brand, but they
still have some decent stuff for being the cheaper
brand. There's some stuff that I probably wouldn't
have changed if I didn't just have the extra
money hanging around to change it. You know what
I mean? Some of their pots and pans will do.
They're not the worst that you could just grab
from Walmart. I just sent Mark a Cabela's Alackanack.
I'll send it to you. It's for $400, and it's
barely been used, and we looked it up, and it's
a $1 ,200 fucking tent. Oh, yeah. Actually, a
$1 ,400 tent. $1 ,400 tent. It's the kind that
I want for setting up in the campsite here at
my house during the wintertime that we can just
leave up. Yep. Oh, yeah, these big -ass canvas.
Yep. Yep. Because I do want one that we can just
set up and have somewhere to just go do things
in. Yeah. That we don't have to set up and tear
down every time. But this is a really good fucking
deal at $400. It is. So in your opinion. Yeah.
So I'm looking at Ozark Trail stuff now because
I was kind of talking about it. And it kind of
made me think of like the prompt. I guess I don't
know how you would say this, but what is. something
that you can like genuinely cheap out on and
be okay and then something you probably shouldn't
and i'm looking at it and i'm like knives are
probably shouldn't in my in my book would you
agree or disagree i like cooking all around yeah
you gotta be very pacific knife All -around camp.
Are you talking about just for camping? I would
say an all -around camp knife, something that
you would take out to camp, maybe split some
wood, cut some meat up. I'm saying you're asking
about anything for camping that you wouldn't
cheap out on? Yeah. Okay, yeah. So things that
you can cheap out on, like, for instance, let
me give an example. Like an Ozark Trail. uh water
bottle like not a big deal that's okay to go
cheap on or a bag it depends are you are you
fair weather camping or are you anything camping
because if you're fair weather camping dude cheap
out on all of it yeah um i think this is just
like a general like let me let me give another
example um here we go so You remember those fancy
ultralight backpacking chairs that, like, fold
up, kind of like yours does? Yeah. So they have,
Ozark Trail has one. It's a backpack chair with
a carrying bag for $34. It has to be better than
my $70 one that I got from 23Zero. You know what
I'm saying, though, is, like, what equipment
do you think is, like, yeah, that's okay to cheap
out on? I think camp chairs are definitely okay
to cheap out on. I had those $10 Timu chairs
for an entire season, and they're still perfectly
fine. Right. There's not a thing wrong with any
of the three that I bought. Yeah. So that's just
kind of what I'm curious. Like, is there, I would
say, like, fire starters. Dude, we talked about
this, I think, last year a little bit, but going
and getting wood stove fire starters that come
in the bricks, it's like, I think it's, what,
like $15 for 200 of them? And they have lasted
me, like, three or four summers off of that one
box for $15, where if you were to use, like,
what is it called, Blackbeard's Tail or something
like that, those are, like, super fucking expensive
for Firestarters. And, like, Ozark Trail tents
aren't bad. I'm not saying that all of them are
bangers, but Ozark Trail makes some really good
tents. Yeah, they make decent stuff. For you
guys, like what's, and this can be opinionated,
but like what is okay to cheap out on? And like
what are you spending extra money on? Like if
you see an Ozark brand of, let's say, a tent,
are you even going to look at it as much as you
would look at, if you had all the money in the
world, would you even look at an Ozark trail?
Or would you go for something else? You know
what I mean? If you had all the money in the
world, I don't think anyone would buy an Ozark
trailer. I think they're going to look at the
most expensive tent they want. I feel like that's,
and this is not a dig at anyone, but I think
that's almost the ignorant option for people
that haven't gone camping. I don't. You know
what I mean? Knowing what we know, if it has
all the features available that we want, obviously
build quality goes into it a little bit. Well,
a lot of it in customer service. If I have all
the money in the world, I don't care about customer
service. I barely care about build quality. Because
when I break it, I'm just going to buy another
one. If customer service is bad, I'm just going
to buy another one. I think I overstated the
all the money in the world part. I just mean
like... If I had a $500 budget, I would look
at Ozark Trail. If I had a $1 ,000 budget, I
would look at Ozark Trail. I have no problem
with Ozark Trail products. Yeah, maybe that's
kind of what I was trying to say. I'm just trying
to think of that, because there are certain things
that I would cheap out on, like storage cases,
like plastic storage cases for equipment or items
or something. I would cheap out on something
like that. Yeah, me too. I definitely don't buy.
If it doesn't fit in a packout, I don't need
it. But for me, I still have this, and I use
it every time we camp. I have a three -piece
Ozark Trail camping utensil set. It's $6 .44,
and I use that every time I cook. It's a metal
spatula, a metal spoon, and tongs. Hell, when
we did our New Year's run and I was cooking hot
dogs, I used the spoon for the chili. And I use
the tongs for the hot dogs. And those work great.
For $6 .44, I don't need, even if I had, you
know, a couple hundred dollars to spend on utensils,
to me, I wouldn't buy it because I don't need
it. Like, that's how I feel. I don't know, would
you buy something just because you had the money,
I guess? There are certain things that I would
just because it's cool, but like that, no, I'm
good. I probably, honestly, I don't know. If
I had all the money in the world, I'd probably
buy some rocks I could wear because it's fucking
cool. Not all the money, but you know what I
mean. Like, if you had a good budget to spend,
would you waste it on something? I would probably
spend more just for something kind of cool. Like,
the Roxxon kit is really cool, and I probably
would buy something more along those lines just
because I have the money to. Yeah, so I've checked
out, like, $30 on a plastic camp spork and knife
kit that you can turn into a long spork when
you put the knife in backwards. I can't remember
what it's called, but it's for eating MREs and
dehydrated meals so that you don't get your hands
all fucking nasty and stuff when you're scooping
in the bag. I love that, and for the price, it
was pretty good. I'm just curious. If you spend...
Okay, so you can get a pack of eight metal sporks
for $11. Bro, that's a fucking deal. And would
you ever buy anything? I wouldn't switch to titanium
just because. No. Right. No, I wouldn't either.
It works. I would stick with those because it
works. i don't know i guess it's kind of a weird
prompt and maybe a failed prompt for a question
for you guys but that's just kind of like i was
kind of thinking about it was like i mean at
what point are we saying like yeah no this actually
just works and i'm not upgrading it even if i
have the money because it works if it works you're
not gonna want to because like yeah the only
thing that will keep you from not getting it
again if you have to fail and you just don't
want to do it again i mean like we had a fail
of our ozark trail propane heater and it's something
that we don't want to deal with anymore because
of what happened then we're not going to touch
it again yeah i mean that's kind of uh like yeah
that's granted like yeah you're not going to
want to go back to that same product if it i
fails you but i don't know man i upgrade i don't
generally upgrade something just to upgrade it
when i upgrade it's because there's it either
doesn't do something i want it to do or it doesn't
do it well enough or something along those lines
yeah so i mean i guess that was kind of like
my question in a way i guess i don't know like
at what point is that i don't know I guess we'll...
If it's under $100, I might just do it because
it's not that expensive. Yeah, I could... Yeah,
that's probably what I'd... Like, $75, under
$75, $50. Except, like, for camp utensils and
stuff because really, to me, like, those don't
matter enough for me to... Like, if I was backpacking
and every ounce counted, like, maybe I'd switch
to titanium. But, like, yeah, it's cool, but,
like, my plastic silverware works just fine.
And I don't like metal on metal, so I would not
use metal cookware or plateware and metal forks
or stuff. I don't like eating metal. I just can't
stand it. That's just me, though. Yeah, that's
a weird problem to have. I like the sound. So
we have this metal bowl that I think I ended
up stealing from Ed and Rebecca because I left
it at camp or something. And I like to put yogurt
in that and then eat all the yogurt and then
take my metal spoon and just dig the yogurt off
the bottom of it. My wife fucking eats when I
do that. See, that's the same. I don't like it.
It's not a smooth metal either, so it makes a
lot of noise. Like my teeth, I can feel my brain
cringe from the sound. Like I could feel myself
reeling back in horror. Is it still here on my
desk? I could give you an example. I will throw
my headset. No, I was just curious. Because there
are certain things that I would cheap on, like
Nalgene bottles. Those are cheap, but they last
forever, and they're really good. And I would
never change out my Nalgene bottle for some other
cool thing, because the Nalgene bottles just
fucking work. And they're great. An Nelgene bottle
has a different use case than other water bottles,
right? Like, an Nelgene bottle isn't insulated.
It's just a water bottle that works. Yeah. Generally,
if you're spending more money on a water bottle,
you're getting something that's vacuum sealed,
insulated, and going to hold temperature better.
Yeah, and I can't say even with that, I... don't
spend the money on it because like it's not that
important to me to have anything vacuum sealed
and insulated like i don't care enough for my
drinks to be ice cold all day oh i don't need
ice cold just if i accidentally leave it in the
sun i don't want it to be 100 degrees yeah i
mean for me i usually mine don't last that long
i guess but um i will say that like my son has
a 18 ounce like ozark trail flip up lid uh water
bottle that we've collected stickers from around
the state and given them to him and he's just
randomly put them on the bottle and it's just
like his bottle his camp bottle and he loves
that thing he's thrown it it's dinged across
everywhere it doesn't fucking leak it's great
and we love that like um but like for me i wouldn't
buy one just because like i have my giant nalgene
bottle that like it just works and i don't really
care if it's hot or cold i just want the water
or the uh we take a bunch of like electrolyte
packets with us in the summer so we'll have like
element that's a really good one or salt i think
it's what it's called salt or element or something
like that um yeah that one's really good sienna
really likes that one and then i bring some like
propel packets and stuff and We use those for
hydration in the summer. Kid really likes them,
too. We do, like, half a packet for his, and
he just, like, jams that stuff out. I don't know.
I guess that answered my question a little bit.
It's like, no, yes, maybe. I think, like I said,
I think it just comes down to once you've gotten
so far with it. You might have to switch up your
preferences, like how me and Alex has rebuilt
our kitchen just based on the clutter to keep
it all in one thing instead of multiples. Oh,
dude, I love the way our kitchen is now. One
two -drawer setup holds everything from food
to coffee. Yeah, I think the more that you camp
and stuff, you refine your kit better. So I could
see the use case there, definitely. There are
some things that I've upgraded just to fit in
my kit better. And one of those being, like,
the cookware, like the Gerber Complete Set. I
didn't need to, and that was kind of a big spend
for me for a cook set. But it's, you know, stainless
steel. Everything fits right into that one pot.
And it could dense space quite a bit. But, like,
out of the plastic, like, the only things that...
really make the difference there the pot the
pan those are really nice to have their full
size pans but i don't know i had as far as like
the plastic where the silverware and stuff go
i had 89 cent walmart stuff that was doing just
as good like it didn't look as cool but it was
working just as good plates and plates are something
that you should not cheap out on because they
don't last as long like let's say you buy $2
or $3 plate, right? That's going to get scratched
up and start dripping microplastics into everything.
Yeah, microplastics are definitely a thing. And
it's not a not concern for me because we still
use our camp dishware, which was like 80 cents
a piece. We have five bowls and five plates.
those were like 80 cents a piece and i still
use those almost every day for like lunches or
something i don't cut on them yeah that's the
thing is like i don't cut on them for any reason
so to try to like minimize that plastic because
i'm not like i'm not like a big granola guy when
it comes to microplastics because i feel like
we got them we got a shit ton already but i'm
also not gonna like push my luck I've never gotten
a microplastic into my body once. Yeah, that's
a fucking lie, and we all know that. And the
salt on this Cheeto is definitely salt and not
plastic. That's a Cheez -It, silly bean. Cheez
-It is what I meant. Cheeto. I don't know. Speaking
of crunchy and granola, are you guys all for
the Red 40 ban, or do you think it's stupid?
Oh, no, 100%. I'm with 100%. With 100%. Okay.
I'm with 100 % the idea of banning all dyes in
all food because I don't care what color my food
is as long as it tastes good. If it makes a turd.
I don't care if you use natural dyes. I don't
care about that as much. But, yeah, artificial
dyes, what's the point? I do understand that
for younger audiences, and I do understand, like,
working from, like, when I worked at Nestle and
we worked in, like, advertisement and, like,
package engineering and stuff, that color matters.
Like, and having colors that pop out and stand
out is more attractive to the eye and brings
more people in. But I don't think it's worth
it for the common good. And I think that we can
do just as good by putting fancy packaging on
it than dying the food. You know, like red Kool
-Aid, right? Red Kool -Aid doesn't need to be
red. It can be that flavor, be clear, and then
have a fancy label on the food. Honestly, I would
be really cool to have any kind of Kool -Aid
that doesn't stay in your fucking mouth and your
tongue. It would be really dope. I want... I
want Gatorade to start releasing non -dyed Gatorades.
There's no reason that we need to dye Gatorade.
It adds no benefit to the drink whatsoever. Yeah,
it's just a color appeal. And I would say, too,
that I don't know Gatorades by name. I know them
by color. I will say that. So it'll take me a
while to get used to it. But when someone asks
me if I want a Gatorade, I say I want the light
bluish -green one. I know Alex is looking. I
don't know what that one is. It's like almost
a teal color. It's not the light blue Gatorade.
Is that cucumber? No, cucumber is the best fucking
Gatorade out there. Oh, my God. Hot, hot, hot.
If you ever find one, buy one for me, and I will
pay you back. I had such a hard time. I hate
cucumber. When I was a kid. When I was a kid,
the Amish store in Fremont always had cucumber
Gatorades. And my stepdad would buy them in bulk
and be like, you want Gatorade? That's the Gatorade
you get to drink. And I'd be like, oh, it's so
gross. You should try it again. And then they
did a cucumber lime hybrid once. Oh, my God.
It took us like a year to get through a 12 -pack
of that. And I was not allowed other Gatorade
until it was gone. It would take me a day. If
that, for a 12 -pack. I love them. When we went
camping this summer, that was the only Gatorade
flavor I got. I hate cucumber. I hate the flavor
of cucumber. I think it's a LaCroix flavor. Like,
there's barely any flavor to it. It just tastes
like a hint of, like, green something. It just
tastes like vomit. Cucumber itself. But, cucumber
Gatorade? I don't know why I like it. I don't
know why my brain likes it, but I'm addicted
to it. I fucking love it. I don't even like regular
cucumber. My absolute favorite Gatorade flavor
is the green apple, but I can't drink it because
it's all I drink and all I ate when I had COVID.
And now every time I start to drink it, I feel
sick. Yeah, I don't like the green apple one.
I like the blue teal one, or cucumber is my number
one. I'll never be able to explain this. Sienna
loves cucumber, and she tried it, and she's like,
eh, this isn't really what I thought it would
be. And she's like, you want to try it? I'm like,
it's going to taste like ass. And I tried it,
and I was like, nah, wait. Wait, huh? And I tried
another drink, and I was like, yo, why is this
kind of good? And she's like, what? You like
this? I'm like, oh, no, I think I love this.
I drank that whole fucking bottle this whole
summer. Anytime we went to a gas station, a Walmart,
a Meijer, and we saw cucumber Gatorade, I was
like, you know my answer. It's yes, get it. Because
you can't find it everywhere anymore. It's like
not a common gas station flavor. When it's so
gross that not even gas stations have it. No,
it's that good that they never have it is what
it is. No, I understand that it's not a favorite
flavor, and I'm cool with that. I just hope they
don't discontinue it because this summer, that
Gatorade carried me this summer. I hate to say
it. It's been around for over 10 years. I'm sure
it ain't going nowhere. I didn't know. We just
checked it out last year. We just found one last
year. So I had no idea. That's like all I could
drink as a kid. It was so bad. Okay, tell me.
Yeah, I already know you're looking it up. Tell
me when they released it. Oh, I'm just looking
up all the different Gatorade flavors. No, I
want to see when they release Cucumber Gatorade.
Hold on. Sorry, chat. They release Cucumber.
Lime Cucumber. Yeah, I don't think I would like
that one. That's the only one that's listing.
It's not even listing normal Cucumber. 2014 is
when Cucumber Gatorade was launched. Dude, so
fucking good. The refreshing story of cucumbers.
This is my shit. Okay, maybe it's lime cucumber
is the one I'm thinking of because that was released
in 2011. Ooh, that means we need to try the regular
cucumber together. Maybe I will like the regular
because I don't think I've ever had it. I think
you will. Oh, dude. Oh, no, it's lime cucumber
again. It's like a lighter green. It's a green
that you might even like. It's kind of closer
to your shirt color. Yeah, I wear a lot of green.
If the listeners didn't know, I wear a lot of
green. He wears a lot of Army green, guys. I
don't know why. Probably 80 % of my shirts are
Army shirts because that's what was issued to
me and they're free. Yeah. 80 % of mine, well,
90 % of mine are black T -shirts because when
I worked at Tractor Supply, they had black T
-shirts for like $8. and i would just buy like
three pair every paycheck and then before i knew
it i had a full dresser drawer i had like 40
black t -shirts yeah yeah that got rough well
the army so active duty they issued me a bunch
of tan t -shirts and then i got fat and then
when i joined the reserves they issued me a bunch
of these green ones and they still fit so yeah
I wear a lot of green. I used to wear a lot of
tan. I think the biggest issue, and I always
forget, like I'll throw them on the floor, and
then I'll be like, fuck, why is all this clothes
on the floor? Then I put them in the washer.
I do this. I've done this for years. I find like
the XLs of my black shirts that don't fit anymore.
I'll go to put them on and I'm like, nah, these
are too fucking tight. And I throw them on the
floor. I do that all the time. And I look at
them and I go, I'll throw you away later. And
then like a week goes by and I go, why are these
fucking shirts on the floor? I need black shirts.
So I go and wash them and then I repeat the cycle.
I've been doing this for like four years. I also,
for listeners, I also generally wear like khakis
or I get like chore pants from Tractors of Likes
for like 15 bucks. But the other day I had to
wear some jeans, and I pulled some jeans out
of my drawer, and I couldn't even get my thigh
through it, like through the opening. So I looked
at the size, and it was a 30 -30 from high school.
From high school. I still have 38s from when
I was like 20 -something, and now I have them
in my closet. And I don't know why I keep them.
I just remember when I bought them, they were
expensive. And I was like, I don't want to throw
them away. Maybe I'll lose weight and get back
down to appropriate human size and not wear 43s
anymore. Yeah, I have a leather jacket that I
wore back in early high school. And that's been
like, I'll be like. Yeah, I'm always going to
get back down, and I'll be able to wear my cool
leather jacket again. I have it in the closet,
and it's just like, one day I'll get back to
leather jacket size. It's just been sitting there
since 2012. kind of on topic with that my dad
found the jean jackets yeah that me and my sister
wore when we were kids because we had a horseback
riding group called the memory riders so it's
got memory riders on the back it's really cool
but i think i'm going to get one of those and
have a botches patch sewed on the front for jackson
yeah so he'll have both memory riders and botches
on his shirt yeah that's the biggest part about
being like bigger guy is it starts to really
limit your clothing options like the botches
jean jackets that we bought we got the biggest
size available alan can barely wear it i don't
think you could know one i think i i looked at
it and i was like yeah no i could tell just by
looking at this i would probably rip the seams
out like they're really cool jackets but it just
like if i was any bigger i couldn't wear one
i think they're sized for like Asian people,
not to be, like, rude. Normal -sized people.
Asian people. Asian people in general are just
smaller people. Yeah, but the jean jackets are
sized for normal -sized people, and we're just
not. We're your big guys. I don't know, man.
I have been told. You know what always makes
me feel good is when I go to, like, I went to
Dennis the other day, and there was this old
nurse, and she goes, wow, you got a big chest.
And she meant it, like, from arm to arm. Because
she had me in the x -ray machine that's supposed
to go around you. And from arm to arm, I was
almost touching the outside of it. And she's
like, wow, you have a wide chest. And she's like
touching my chest. I'm like, no, thanks. Oh,
thank you. Like, guys, when they get catcalled,
they don't give a shit. They're like, thanks.
So a while ago, you know how I've been making
those kind of cartoony cover arts for our podcast?
Yeah. A while ago, I was going to joke with you,
and I told it to make one of the characters very
fat, and I was going to send it to the group
text, and no matter what I did, AI could not
make the character fat. Like, one time, they
just made him have a big head, and I'm like,
no, I want a fat person, not a big -headed person.
I think big -headed would have probably been
funnier, because Siena's... I have a massive
head. Like, even without the hair, I can... Both
literally and metaphorically. Yeah. Literally.
Anyway. But, like, I can't fit into normal hat
sizes, typically. Like, I have to, like, look
for, when I try hats out, I think I have, like,
40 of them. Like, that I bought from Tractor
Supply because I wanted to wear them for the
day because I wanted to get the hair out of my
face or something. And I put them on. I'm like,
these are way too fucking small. And they were
only, like, $11. So I was like, I'm not going
to, I'll just wear them when I get a haircut.
I'll get the haircut. It's not the fucking hair
that makes these hats too small. It's my big
-ass head. So it's like I have a massive head.
I can't even fit into normal Stormy Chromers
like they have at the stores, which is a bummer
because I want a Stormy Chromer. I think those
are cool. We'll just have to find a XXL, XXL
Stormy Chromer for you. Well, they do them in
numbers. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah, because they
size them like an actual hat, so like 7 1⁄4.
That's small. You're probably like a 9 or a 10.
Yeah, I'm probably like a 10, dude. I got a big
-ass head. Because 7 1⁄4 is a pretty average
size. So the Army also does our hats based on
numbers, and like the most common one is like
7 3⁄8. Yeah, I wish. I wish I had a smaller head.
I don't know what I got going on in here. I think
God gave me ADHD just to limit my brain power
because I was too OP. He was like, I got to calm
this guy down a bit. Well, I was watching a reel.
Back to that big head thing. I was watching a
reel, and there's this dog that had this really
big head. They're like, yeah, we always thought
she was pretty smart. And then she had a seizure,
so they put her under an x -ray. And her brain's
like the size of a pea. The rest of it's just
water -filled. Yeah. Thanks, Gavin. Yeah, it
probably is. I wouldn't be surprised. All this
conspiracy theory is really what's filling up
my brain power. It really is. All the conspiracy
and the cryptid stuff that I research, I can't
believe how much that stuff occupies my brain.
Or stupid quips and chirps and stuff from the
early 2000s that I still remember. Yeah, hey.
What's going on with kids not doing that anymore?
Like, it used to be, like, we had all these little
things we'd say, and now they just say, six,
seven. Yeah. It's like, dude, we had, like, actually
funny things. Yeah. Like. Like, if I come up
to you and I just go like this, what do you think
of? Wait, what are you doing? I just go like
this. Just hands. Wait, I can't do it because
I'm like. I just think you're doing knife hands.
Oh, no, you're not doing knife hands. No, the
$5 foot long, dude. Oh, okay. Yeah, that would
be more like this. You kind of just went, you
angled your hands. Like, when I was in high school,
we literally would just go like this. $5 foot
long. Dude. What was the... Or, huh, gaze. Yep,
or J .G. Wentworth. eight seven seven cash now
oh my god you remember that that was stuck in
my head the other day or the general the general
used to have a really good theme song yeah dude
yeah like that's what i'm saying is like they
don't do that anymore no no that was like that
was like pop culture like we use that on the
regular yeah man they had those badass dorito
commercials at superbowl now superbowl doesn't
do any fucking cool commercials anymore Well,
they had that really cool one about putting a
blue square on the back of a Jewish person. Yeah,
that doesn't sound great. I think the only good
one was the Budweiser commercial. Budweiser was
pretty dope. The eagle and the horse. Yeah, that
was pretty cool. Okay, Sabrina Carpenter commercial
with Pringles was actually pretty funny. Yeah,
I like Sabrina Carpenter. I don't know, Sabrina
Carpenter's hot. I don't get the hate. I don't
either. She's funny. She's smart. Her music is
catchy. It is catchy. But what is there to hate?
She's pretty great. It is catchy. I'm not a big
pop guy, but her one album, I've listened to
that multiple times. I ended up downloading it
on our Zooms because I enjoy it so much. It's
good. Yeah. And I'm not that kind of guy. But
her music videos behind them, too, they're really
good. Oh, yeah. They're funny. Yeah. Even her
voice is that way. What's the one with Jenna
Ortega where they're killing each other? Oh.
I can't remember what it's called, but it's funny
as hell. Taste or something like that? Maybe.
um kiss no i think it's taste yeah nope you're
right it's taste yeah that's funny if you haven't
seen that one that's kind of funny dude oh and
they do kiss in that song okay cool yeah they
do but they they kill each other throughout the
song it's like uh because they're fighting over
a guy yeah they're fighting over a guy and then
i think the end of the song they real they realize
that they ended up killing the guy on accident
because they were fighting so much And then they
just ended up just, like, leaving together as,
like, girlfriends or something. I don't know.
But it was funny. It was, like, a good storyline
to it. Dude, like, I'm also not a pop music fan
generally, but, like, her music's funny. It's
fun. Yeah. There's still some decent music out
there. Like, oh, I didn't even realize. Did you
see Matt Rife was on one of Red Clay Strays'
music videos? i did not i love red clay yeah
i know and i know you do and i love red you turn
me on to red clay strays and they have a music
video that has matt rife in it it's uh if i didn't
know you is what it's called that's a good that's
a good song i just didn't realize he was i haven't
watched I haven't really watched a lot of music
videos. I just listen to them. Yeah. Same. But
he has got bleached hair in this one. So I, at
first I was looking at it and then as soon as
he started talking, I'm like, Oh yeah, that's
Matt Rife. He's a funny fucker too. Yeah. Yeah.
No red clay straight. Like if you want just good
music, that's just catchy and fits in almost
any scene, play some red clay stories. Like I
have not played a red clay stray song and had
someone been like, man, I really don't like.
Yeah. Yeah. And like, I don't, I don't love a
lot of like the, There's some artists, like,
you know, remember when we were talking about
doing those artists that didn't have, you know,
like playing them in our episode? I can't remember
what it was called. I don't love a lot of those
guys, and I thought when you introduced them
that that was them. But you ended up just telling
me about them when I said I like, like, Hozier
or something, or Hozier, which I love Hozier,
too. Yeah. But... Yeah, they're almost like a
bluegrass country -ish. Their genre is like,
they call it like dark country, murder country.
Something. It doesn't give off murder country,
but it gives off like hosier mixed with country
to me. But really good music. I love them. Them
and the Dead South. That's another Dead South.
rock solid dead south reminds me a lot of like
some of hank three i don't know if you guys ever
listened to hank for sure but oh yeah but yeah
hank three back in the early 2013s or something
when i was listening to them uh but those are
good like trail music that's like they're they're
on my trail like red clay strays hosier i even
have a sabrina carpenter on some of them because
a kid really likes it but uh k -pop demon hunters
is super popular and they're not even bad songs
either so we have that part of i don't i don't
even i couldn't even tell you about that one
that was good they have some catchy songs but
uh the the kid will literally karaoke style sing
those songs he loves them so much so yeah those
are good trail songs and we listen to those on
the trail all the time or i'll do uh like early
2000s like rap like 50 cent ludicrous oh me and
mark definitely listen to dad rock like oh i
do dad rocks awesome like what was i listening
to like three days grace nickelback um yeah which
one was i literally just listening to weezer
weezer yep i was i listened to the other day
i i got this weird feeling that i just needed
to like blast some music in my ears so i was
listening to what is it gautier um uh what is
it called um somebody that i used to know just
one of those eargasm musics that i just love
hearing yeah and then um that's a good song there's
a a instrumental band called polyphia and they
are just like guitarists and they are probably
one of the most like like talented new guitarists
that there are out there and it's just really
intricate really fast i would almost say like
adhd music because it's just so everywhere and
the way he picks the guitar is really fast and
really unique um but yeah it's really good stuff
so there's a Now we're talking about music, man.
I can talk about this all day. There's a new
-ish country artist. Her name's Emily Zek. Her
music is so good. It's kind of Dolly -like. She's
got a song called It Ain't Me that is just fucking
great. And the music video that goes with it
is so good. Yep. But a lot of her music is very...
I'd almost say Dolly Parton level. Yeah. Oh,
this is good. I'm listening to it right now.
It's really good. Let me just subscribe to this
right quick. I'll have to listen to it when we
get done. She's one of those more modern artists
that I actually listen to on the regular because
it's just good stuff. Yeah. Modern country has
come a long way, a lot farther than... any other
genre of music when it comes to kind of reigniting
the old country spirit for sure um who's the
other guy but not not so much like on radio right
like yeah we've got a lot more of that country
spirit but it's it's not happening on the radio
anymore no not at all not on the radio there
is oh god what's that one guy um bailey zimmerman
back when he was Older did some decent music.
And even Morgan Wallen had some. But who I'm
thinking of is Colter Wall. Colter Wall has some
of the best new age, old time country music.
Super, super. Oh, yeah. This guy has got one
of the best voices out there. I would even dare
to say that red clay strays is pretty country.
And they also, they're like a modern twist on
a more classic sound. Yeah. Um, the dead South.
Yeah. There's no denying that's a country band.
Oh my God. Uh, the song, uh, in hell, I'll be
in good company or whatever. The whole start
of that song. Oh my God, dude. The whistling.
Yep. Tyler Childers is another one, too. It gives
me chills listening to the beginning of that
song. Tyler Childers. One of the best variants
of that is when they're popping the beers. Yeah.
Who was that kid we went and saw in Fremont?
I don't remember. I was going to say, did we
even get a CD from them yet? We didn't, but he
was really good. I think I subscribed to him
on Spotify. Give me a second. There was an indie
band from Michigan that I saw on Beaver Island.
They have this thing called Beaver Island Music
Fest. And they had music artists from all over
come in. And there was a couple girls that came
up and did a few songs. And one of them was called
Lemon and Camomile. and i don't even know how
to spell chamomile chamomile i don't know but
anyway um they they ended up blowing up in the
indie um the indie spot and yeah there that was
like a really good song too and i'm not really
big into like the indie music scene but it was
good mid Midland's really good, too. More of
that, like, modern country. What is it? Midland.
The band Midland. Yeah, I've never heard of it,
but... I'm trying to find the name of that artist
that we went and saw. He's from, like, Battle
Creek area. Yeah. What is it? Not Big Small.
Who was one of the other country rappers? I can't
remember what his name... Big... I don't know.
Colt Ford? Colt Ford, yeah. I went and saw him
in, I want to say Kalkaska, in the early 2010s,
and that was the first time I had ever been to
a music concert, and he threw one of his band's
snare sticks, and I had it for the longest time.
I don't know whatever happened to it. I probably
used it in band because I didn't really value
that stuff. as much as I maybe should have. But
it was really cool. I cannot remember what that
kid's name is. But, I mean, I guess just to wrap
it up, I at least got to shout out Gunner and
the Grizzly Boys because they're our local boys.
Yeah, I guess we really went off topic this time.
But to wrap it back in, this is all good trail
music, and maybe you guys could pick a couple
of these guys up and incorporate them into your
trails. Oh, one last thing before we go. I did
get a new card game that we could play at camp.
And Sienna bought it for me for Christmas. And
I've forgotten to tell you guys about it. It
is... I didn't even know it was a thing, but
it's called Not It. And it's a Cryptid Hunters
edition. So that's why she got it for me. But
it's basically like... It's got a bunch of cryptid
creatures, and there's a bunch of cards in there
with four sets of cryptids, and they have different
patterns. And it's kind of like a goldfish game.
And the hunter is the youngest person that plays,
usually. And they end up being the hunter, and
they have to ask you these questions. And if
you have that combination, they have to give
it to you or something like that. Yes, Mark.
That's it. What is it? Myron Elkins, I think.
Oh, Myron Elkins. Yes. Oh. Yeah, he's pretty
good. You remember Walmart Yodeler? Yes. Remember
him? You know, that sang Hank One in the middle
of that Walmart? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
he's grown up and done real country music, and
it's really good. Really? Yes. Hold on. Let me
look up his name real quick. Then we'll really
leave you guys. We won't keep talking about music.
We promise. Mason Ramsey. Mason Ramsey. Look
up his new music. And he actually has some really
good new country music. Keeps that same vibe
of the old style country. And he's a lot older
now. He's like 18 now, which is crazy. But I
don't know how old he is. I think he's like 18
now. But he hit puberty, so his voice is deeper
now. So he's doing all that different country
music in a deeper voice. That's awesome. But
you should listen to his music. Tell me which
ones you like, Alex, because I think you'll like
those. But on that note, we're at an hour 13,
so we should wrap this up. Yeah. Catch you guys
later. Yeah. Good luck on your music.