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Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Hi, my voice didn't

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crack. That's a good start to the evening. This

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is a wrap. We all know Gavin didn't do anything.

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Nothing. Yeah. He's a very boring individual.

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Yeah, I guess so, man. Winter really slows down

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my mojo. Like, I can't. I just can't. Like, if

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the kid can't go outside and work with me. then

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I can't really go outside and work because I'm

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watching him all the time. Yeah. I don't know.

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Winter doesn't really slow my mojo too much.

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I even worked outside in the cold to cut my bumper

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off. Yeah, if I had someone to watch the kid

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while I was working outside, that would be one

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thing. Yeah, no, I feel it. I feel it. Yeah,

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there's just no – like I said, I go and – like

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I say every wrap. I just go through the same

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shit I have already and check batteries and maybe

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label one more thing. It's the same shit. Gavin,

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are all your batteries charged? Yeah. Yep. Okay,

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good. Everything's maintained, organized, ready.

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Yeah, so Friday night we played cards as we do

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once a month. Nothing too noteworthy there. I

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mean, my dad played with us. That was pretty

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fun. Yeah. Saturday, one of my army buddies came

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up and helped us work on cars. We cut the bumper

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off my 4Runner, which took, would you say like

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six hours? Yeah. It didn't help that we could

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only work in short periods of time because it

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was cold outside. Yeah, and we kept draining

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the batteries on the grinder. We need to just

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get overheating them. We just need a quarter

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grinder at this point. I'm surprised you didn't

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set up the awning and throw both diesel heaters

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going into the awning and have the truck front

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end sitting inside the doorway. We actually could

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have with my truck. Yeah. That's all right. But

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then we would have to figure out how to get out.

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Yeah, under the truck. Yeah. Well, I mean, put

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all the tools on the inside. I mean, you could

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have done it like, you know, I don't know. I

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was just thinking about it there for a second.

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So yeah, we got that off. Dude, that was a bitch.

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So we got the main bulk of the bumper off. Did

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you put that in my shed, by the way? Yes. How

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did you find room? I was like, bring it up by

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the shed. And then I was like, bring it up by

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the shed. And then today I realized I didn't

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see it. And I'm like, wait, it's got to be in

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the shed. I move stuff around so I can lay on

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there without being on anything. So, yeah, we

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cut the main bulk of the bumper off, and that

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didn't take long. Then we had to clean all the

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welds and other bullshit metal off the frame

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horns to fit the new bumper mount. Oh, my God,

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did that take a long time. I ended up having

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to run up to O 'Reilly's in... Grand Rapids because

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they were the only place left open that would

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have grinder discs. And I got there with a minute

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to spare to get my grinder discs. Bro, why didn't

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you just call me? You could have just came over

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and picked up a pile of mine. You're right. That

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probably would have worked. Well, I bought 30,

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so I'm not going to run out. Yeah, we're good

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for a bit. Yeah, it was funny that it took you

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so long. When you said it took like six hours

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to take your bumper off, I was like, that's funny

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because in like five minutes you popped it off

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already. So I was like, couldn't take that much

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longer to get the rest of it off. No, I only

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had part of it off. Just a spot of it was off.

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No, it was a bitch, dude. Like, there was so

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much. Because we really welded and reinforced

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it really strong. The spot that broke was because

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it had torn a small part of the frame. Yeah,

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that sucks. Yeah, that was one of the other things

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that we were trying to break all the welds about

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taking chunks out of the frame as well. I mean,

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that's a crazy thing you have to worry about,

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too. I don't want to rip out the frame. Not that

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it necessarily would have mattered because the

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new bumper mount does not mount to that part

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of the frame at all. Well, you cleaned it up,

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so. Yeah, it looks good. It's all painted black

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with tractor enamel now. Hey, it'll last forever

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now, right? Right? We'll see. Hopefully longer

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than the other bumpers painted because I was

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getting tired of touching that up every couple

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months. Yeah, I don't see like that doesn't bother

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me much, but. I touch my stuff up every few months,

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and that's just one of those things where it's

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kind of enjoyable for me. I just kind of come

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up there and I'm like, shh, shh. But I don't

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really prep anything either. I just walk out

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into my dusty driveway. It's like, oh, did you

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Rhino -Line that? I'm like, no, it's just paint.

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The dust kind of got kicked up into it. So it

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looks like Rhino -Liner. I don't know. I don't

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like when my bumper is rusting because the paint

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all flaked off it. I don't have any flaking.

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I just kind of, well done. Or I get one of my

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Sharpies out of my glove box and go, and clean

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that up real quick. Show ready. Show ready. You

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also don't have any bumpers that came in raw

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steel. No. Well, in that, my truck, as far as

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rust goes, is better off. than most trucks in

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michigan right now yeah so i don't have the massive

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amount of flaking and stuff that's going on so

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yeah it doesn't really affect me as much so yet

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and just in general you don't have any bumpers

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that came in raw steel so you're not dealing

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with the same level of annoyance as what i was

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yeah no i so the only thing that really that

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i really have to go over once a year or so is

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at this point the winch bumper the hideaway winch

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bumper part the front and then my back steel

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bumper which every once in a while i'll see a

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flake here there or rust will start coming on

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on my ball hitch area so i'll just like throw

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a coat of paint on it just to clean it up a little

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bit but and then my wheels those those are like

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every six months but That only takes like two

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minutes a wheel, so it's not like it matters.

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Oh, my God. I have to take poops longer than

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it takes to spray paint, clean up the wheels

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a little. I have spray painted my wheels once,

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and it was after I drove them into a guardrail

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because I fell asleep. Yeah? Yeah. I don't know,

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man. You know what? Maybe everyone's real nice

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to me, but nobody makes comments on how shitty

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or how stupid my wheels look spray painted. I

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don't think they're horribly done. It's not like

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you could see drips coming from them. No, they

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don't look terrible. I mean, I've spray painted

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factory wheels before. Yeah. I actually don't

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mind them the way they look now. I thought about

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doing bronze, but I don't think bronze would

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look very good with those factory wheels. No,

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I don't either. No. Yeah, what else happened?

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Really, the bumper was the big thing. Dude, that

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took so fucking long. Like, between the cold

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and batteries being dead and just everything,

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it fucking sucked. Then I did... We came up with

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a new way to do wheel bearings on first -gen

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Tacomas, third -gen 4Runners, and first -gen

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Tundras, and first -gen Sequoias. So if you get...

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yeah your fj is not in this category no you get

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you mean bolt on yeah so if you get a piece of

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angle iron and you drill two holes that match

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up with the uh lower ball joint mount then you

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have something to brace on to press the bearing

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out and it makes your life so much easier um

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i did a bearing from start to finish in under

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20 minutes which generally it takes me longer

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than that just to get the press set up yep I

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mean, I did bend the angle iron, so when I go

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to make the official tool, now that I've proven

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it works, I've got to reinforce it somehow. Well,

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we know your welds hold, so nothing to worry

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about. Yeah, my welds hold great. We also worked

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on the black 4Runner. My brother did. That's

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what I was talking about, was the wheel bearings

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on the black truck. Yeah, I'm still waiting back

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on my taxes. It's taking forever. I don't know

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why it's taking so long. I don't know why it's

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taking State so long to send me mine. Jesus.

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I just want to get that tent, man. I want to

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set it up in the house. I just want to, like,

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go over it. I'm getting impatient. And my bumper

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has officially left Salt Lake City, even though

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it sat there for, like, a week. Oh, jeez. Yeah,

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I think. Did they come out of America or did

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they get shipped into America? What, my bumper?

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That's from America. Yeah. We're made in California.

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Yeah, so I had stuff from Bison Gear get on a

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temporary hold because they didn't have all the

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proper documentation. It turned out that it was

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there, but it wasn't in the right place for the

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box or something like that to be shipped over

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and everything. So it was in a temporary hold

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for like a week, and then finally it got let

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go, and they let it come over. And I was like,

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thanks. But I had nothing on it. Yeah, no. Mine

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comes from California and just sat in Utah for

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a week for literally no reason. Probably weather.

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Maybe. Who knows? Right now it's on its way to

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Chicago, and they say that it should be arriving

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tomorrow. So we'll see what happens. Who's all

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down to quit our jobs for the week and move to

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New York City? Fuck no. Bro, we could make so

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much money. We could make fucking bank, Mark.

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Have you seen how much they're paying you to

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shovel sidewalks? $35 now. Yeah, but don't you

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need to show papers or something like that? Two

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forms ID. Five now. Oh, it said two when I was

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looking at it earlier, which is just an I -9.

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It has to be a New York ID. You know, it's worth

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it. Fuck, $30 an hour? It's more than any of

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us are making. It's not that much more than I'm

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making. Yeah, I mean... Not much more than me.

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But it is, right? I can't get rid of my housing

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for just a week of a job. I mean, you have a

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week of vacation. You could just... I could take

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a week of vacation, yeah. Dude, we could rotate.

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I don't think that shoveling snow in New York

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is the safest job. Oh, I think it's just funny.

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I watch videos of some of these guys that are

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working. I'm like, these are some of the shittiest

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snow shovelers I think I've ever seen. Like,

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they were moving. Yeah, that's the issue with

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it, is kind of the issue, is that they're picking

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up a handful of snow, like this big, with a shovel.

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and are like slowly tossing it and then slowly

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going back. It's like, are you getting paid $30

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an hour to do that? Fuck, dude. And then there's

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just one supervisor sitting there watching them

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do it. It's like, I want to be a supervisor.

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Pay me $30 an hour to watch these people. I wonder

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how much budget they actually have for that.

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How long is it before they run out of money?

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Is it? Are they just taking some money from the

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road or the, what do you call it, the plow companies

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and stuff that can't keep up? Yeah, the road

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commission. They're a city, not a country, so

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there's an end to the funding somewhere. Yeah.

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Well, I know they upped it from 20 to 30 for

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the blizzard, so. Maybe they're just going to

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do it for Blizzard or something. I think it's

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a cool idea on a base level. I think that that's

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a really good idea for that. I think that our

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country could take, let's say, half a billion

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dollars out of our military budget. Yeah, I'm

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saying it. Half a bill. out of our military budget

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and put more money towards people picking out

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trash, people maintaining sidewalks and sweeping

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and cleaning and just cleaning up bullshit in

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general, snow shoveling, like just basic upkeep.

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I think that that should come out of somewhere

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where money gets stolen out of more than military

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funding. I think it'd be better. And that should

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be done. That should be done more at a state

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-slash -city level. Like, New York doing it at

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a city level makes perfect sense. But federal

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government giving funding for that, that's dumb.

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It should be small government, not big government.

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Because the minute that the big government gets

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involved, things fall apart. Yeah, I think that

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there's more money overhead for that, for the

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big government. They should allot it to a state,

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and then the state should be able to work with

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it. how they i don't know i see fit but i not

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that i trust states to do that right either but

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i also don't think oh hot take we're getting

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political god damn i don't i don't think it's

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political necessarily as it is i i don't think

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that the federal government should be giving

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states any money they shouldn't be giving them

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and except for like emergency aid right other

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than that The state should handle themselves.

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They should set up their trades. They should

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act like a small country, just like everywhere

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else in the world. Yeah, but we're the United

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States. We are united. That's why we share under

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one board. That's why we share our defense budget.

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That's why we share our emergency budget. But

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that does not mean that the federal government

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should regulate every single thing that a state

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does. I don't think regulate everything, but

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I don't think they should. completely not fund

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states either oh if if they're giving funding

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it's regulated period that's how that works well

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i mean states should be states should be making

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their own budget states should be making their

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own money yeah hey now i'm not saying the states

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don't sell something to the federal government

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that could be a thing but it should not be funded

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by the federal government no i don't know no

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But on a more fun note, 4Runner's going to look

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sick. I think I'm going to paint my new bumper

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high -vis orange. You might get commissioned

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by the road commission. Maybe I'll put some reflective

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tape along the bars. No, you should do it down

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the side, right in the middle, like where they

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have the old -school Toyota decals. You know,

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like the red, the orange, and the yellow? Just

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do reflective high -vis. me and josh were talking

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about this while he was up here do you think

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it would be illegal to paint your car in a clear

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glow -in -the -dark paint clear glow -in -the

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-dark yeah so when you paint the car you can't

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tell there's any clear or glow -in -the -dark

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but then at nighttime it glows would that be

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illegal i think that would depend on the severity

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of it like how strong the whole thing no the

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whole thing no i'm talking about like how strong

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it glows If it's going to be a distraction or

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something. Because didn't they make it illegal

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to have a mirror surface on your car? Because

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someone polished a whole Tesla, and they drove

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it around, and they immediately got taken off

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the road because it was reflecting the sun and

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shit back on people driving and reflecting light

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back. Yeah, so I guess they can take your car

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off the road for it being too distracting. Wow.

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Which doesn't make sense because you have the

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Oscar Mayer Wienermobile, and that's legal, and

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that's fucking distracting. If I see a giant

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wiener driving past me, my neck's breaking. That's

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a problem. I'm going to try to look down that

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wiener. Tell me I'm wrong. Don't you remember

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being a kid and you're like, dude, it's the Oscar

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Mayer Wienermobile? Hell yeah. Dude, that was

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breaking my own neck to see it. Or the Six Flag

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Bus. Have you ever seen the reel of the Six Flag

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Bus? Hell yeah. Have you ever seen the reel of

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the guys, they step outside, one's looking up,

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and he just goes, hell yeah. And then another

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guy walks out and he goes, what you looking at?

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And he goes, helicopter. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

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And they're all like different walks of life.

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See, that's us with the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile.

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Hell yeah, dude. Look at them wieners. Everybody

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can admire that, man. You know the only thing

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that could make the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile

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better is if they had a bunch of little wiener

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dogs in hot dogs sitting in the seats. I think

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instead of the hot dog, like in the bun, it should

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be a wiener dog. I think that would be. Hell

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yeah. Hell yeah. With like a little hat. With

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little wiener dogs. With a little hat with a

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propeller on it. Yeah. And then when they park

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it, everywhere they park it, just a herd of little

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wiener dogs comes out. Hell yeah. Dude, I'd be

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in love. Hell yeah. I would pay money to see

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this car. Yeah. You know, it's like me and the

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Six Flags bus. That old man comes out and he

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starts break dancing. Hell yeah. That was my

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shit. Brings me back to the olden days. That's

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like when 4Runners, that was back when 3rd Gen

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4Runners were cool. 3rd Gen 4Runners were always

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cool. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I

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said. 3rd Gen 4Runners are timeless. They're

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not like FJs that lose their coolness over a

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couple years. Yeah, says the value of my FJ.

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They're still cool. They're like one of those

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ugly oddities that keep value. Did the value

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of your FJ go down? No. What is it? I don't even

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know. You KBB a value of an FJ, and it's always

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going to be garbage. I mean, same thing with

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the third gen. But no, it hasn't. It slowly kind

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of goes up on KBB, but God, they did a value

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on my Subaru. when I was trying to get a loan

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using it, and they valued it at like $11 ,000.

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And I was like, there's no way. There's no way.

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All right, let's see what your value is on KBB,

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and then I'll look up mine because I kind of

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already know what mine is. I would say mine's

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probably at like $6 ,000. I'm even going to say

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they're both excellent just to keep things. It

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is excellent. Got barely any rust on it. All

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right, your KBB is 6 ,200 to 8 ,000. That's a

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2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser. That's such horseshit.

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Oh, dude, it's horseshit for me, too. Toyota

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4Runner. All right, both of these I'm just putting

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$200 ,000 just to make them even. Price with

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standard equipment. Just curious about my value.

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I remember when KBB didn't ask all these bullshit

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fucking questions. Yeah, it's like going to AutoZone,

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telling them you need wipers. Two or four wheel

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drive. Info currently not available. Damn, dude.

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They're like, I hope you got PLPD on that piece

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of turd. What the fuck? They used to give an

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actual answer to that question. This is kind

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of crazy. Maybe they don't even value it anymore.

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I guess not. I just looked it up recently, though.

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That's why I'm so confused. I wonder what it

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would say for... I think it'd probably just be

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closer to 8K. But with the 155 ,000 miles on

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it, I'm curious if that affects it anymore. But

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that's interesting. 8K, that's some horse shit.

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Yeah, it comes up to about the same thing. Yeah,

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that's horse shit. Instead of 62 .50, it's 63

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to 8. Well, that kind of speaks to the engine

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life. They're like, yeah, that doesn't really

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matter. 50 ,000 miles doesn't really matter.

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At newer vehicles, that's make or break. If you

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have 100 ,000 miles on a 2023, you're like, dude,

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that thing's about to blow. Yeah, I don't know.

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That's fucking crazy. That's definitely not the

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value. Should we get over to the hour and listen

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to some voicemails? Yeah, I suppose. Enjoy our

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wiener time. Ah, the wiener episode. The wiener

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episode.