Welcome to botches off -road Yeah, so we're gonna
carry on with our conversation from our rap last
week organization both in truck and out of truck
Obviously I've been working on this with the
whole packout thing and I've got so many fucking
packouts at this point, dude Cuz I I Scaled up
and then now I'm starting to scale down If that
makes sense Yeah, that's usually how you start.
When you start to get into the organization,
whether it be in your truck or your house, for
your gear, kind of what we're talking about,
you usually start out with a ton of shit and
a ton of different stuff, ways to store it, blah,
blah, blah. And then as you go on, you get smarter.
You feel like you find out what you need and
don't need. We always end up scaling down. That's
pretty typical. I've gotten to the point to where
I got a pretty good idea of what I do and don't
need it's just I live in a house with my father
-in -law and I pretty much moved a whole house
into one room anyway so I have my son's room
that I have some gear in I have my room that
I have gear in and then I have a whole entryway
that has a shelf with gear in it as soon as you
walk in the door so Dude, something like the
packout would be so good for you though. I'm
not saying packouts particularly, right? Like
you could do power build or something, which
I actually like the drawer system better, but
that's a whole different story. Um, if you, if
you go to one of those like thick plastic, actually
waterproof boxes like that, you could honestly
store most of your gear outside. Yeah. Like a
good 80 % of your gear could go in a nice waterproof
box outside Yeah, I think I fuck with it too
much for it to make sense to outside I don't
know. I'm always messing with my stuff I like
having it on display not for the sense of like
people looking At it. It's like it's not an art
piece, but I like to have it on display to work
with it To like take inventory. I like to be
able to see everything clearly. I don't love
having everything stored in boxes If like honestly
clear drawers Are kind of nice, but I also hate
that they're clear. So like I have to find a
happy Yeah, like I'm picky and so and I know
what works for me. So do boxes and put labels
on them Well, that's what I'm gonna end up probably
doing. I just don't need need to spend the money
right now on any kind of system i don't think
like i just that money i could use for a storage
box because i do have a bunch of different storage
boxes right now and they're like the cheap uh
that's what it's what i started with and actually
sized down from because i didn't end up needing
them anymore started going to drawers but i have
a bunch of these boxes i'm just need to actually
get everything into one spot Take an afternoon
or something get everything out of those three
locations get them all into one spot get the
old label or out and Just get everything sorted
out get a power station running to get everything
charged And just get everything so like we're
like hey, you know in the winter It's not as
big as deal because you're you're doing extended
months, but now that we're opening up into camping
and winter And I'm pulling things out of my truck.
Most of the things in my truck that I need are
battery charged, and it's not a great idea to
just leave those in the truck all winter in the
cold. Hey, at least you don't need your fridge
in the winter. That's true. Like when we did
our poker run, I just brought the Yeti cooler
that I found on the side of the road. And that's
probably what I'll use when I go camping here
on the 30th. So... That's so that's a that's
a plus it gives me more room to work with I'm
probably gonna be able to store most of the rest
of my stuff in the back I'll keep my stove there.
I might move my propane tank inside for a bit
Because what we had during poker run my propane
tank being exposed to the cold It was like what
12 degrees out. Yeah something like that really
really cold when I hooked up the propane tank
to my stove. It wasn't putting out enough gas
because of how cold it was to do both burners
really hot. It was only doing one burner really
hot. When I opened up the two, you could definitely
feel that it was like lukewarm. So we ended up
switching out Alex's propane tank, which he had
in his vehicle so that it was at a warmer temp.
Um, and then everything worked fine. So I guess
if I'm cooking with one pan, it's not a big deal.
Maybe I'll retest that. and see how that goes.
But we've actually been discussing going to a
single burner stove because we don't use the
second burner at all. No. So, yeah, I see. I
do a lot of the times because most of my dishes
have pasta because pasta is like a super easy
thing to make when you're out there or something
with rice in it. So like my jambalaya. I will
usually like be frying sausages or something,
get a nice crisp on them on one burner and boiling
the rice or whatever in the other. I almost bet
that you could almost all of your pasta, pre
-make it, put it in a container in the fridge
and not have to worry about making it in the
field. Yeah. That's not, I mean, it's not a horrible
idea. Um, I think the only reason I do it this
way is because I can. If that makes sense? Yeah.
Because it's easier to store dry goods than it
is wet. Because for me, unless I use it the first
day, I would need to store that in a fridge just
to keep it cool and not go bad. So for me, it's
easier to have the dry goods and to just, I have
a lot more storage for dry good than I do cold.
So typically my fridge is packed with meats and
proteins and perishables and only like a Couple
things like a couple sodas a couple monsters
And then as I use those sodas or monsters or
drinks, I will rotate Lukewarm ones into that
so Kind of on -topic kind of off -topic. Sorry.
I've been looking at the rock pot I don't know
if you've ever seen this Kevin. Yeah, I have
it's a really cool idea So I'm thinking about
picking up a rock pot because then I could honestly,
like in the morning, heat up the rock, throw
soup in there, um, have that soup cook all day
long, you know, eat out of it all day and just
always have hot food just in the truck, sealed
up, ready to go. Yeah. I mean, I think the idea
of the rock pot's really cool. And for anybody
who doesn't know exactly what this is, Alex explained
it, but you heat up a rock. You put it into the
little storage area in the rock pot, and it basically
is a slow cooker. And it keeps all your food
in there. It completely seals, so it can bounce
around in the truck and not spill rum. So you
could make something like, let's say you wanted
to make pulled chicken. like some kind of stew
or soup or something like that. You can throw
your chicken in there with the hot rock and your
broth and your noodles and stuff like that and
let it sit for however many hours and it'll sit
there and it's completely sealed so that heat
stays pretty consistent there for a long period
of time and it'll cook your food while you wait.
So then by the time you get to camp you have
a nice crock pot meal. And all you have to do
is open it up, serve it, and you're done. And
you did all that prep early in the morning. So
it's a pretty cool idea. I'm not going to lie.
I really like it. I don't know if I would get
that or if I would rather get one of those fold
-down Coleman ovens. If I had to choose, I really
like the idea of a fold -down Coleman oven to
be able to bake cinnamon rolls or something in
the morning would be really dope. Um, or a lot
of that you can do, uh, on a fire without the
fold down oven really. Yeah. And I think our
dependency on fire, um, for my rig, my family
is a lot less. Like I don't use, like if I don't
need a fire, like if I'm not sitting by it, if
it's just us, I won't even start one. So like
if I, if I could do all my cooking. on the pot
and pans and stuff. I have plenty of gas to do
it. I won't make a fire for ambiance usually
if we have a short day of the typical overlanding
style. But it would be cool as I get more bougie
and I'm using that loosely, but to be able to
make fresh baked bread or to make... Buddy, you're
so - Fresh pizza. You're so bougie. Yeah, compared
to the Rocklanders maybe, yes. But like, my thing
would be really cool to make like fresh baked
pizza in like the Coleman stove. And it folds
down to only like two or three inches thick.
So it's not like it takes up a ton of storage.
I can kind of put it in there when I know that
I want to do some baking or something, like do
pizzas. pizzas would be so cool to do, um, do
like a Chicago style or something. So, uh, like
a lasagna, something cool. Um, there's definitely
like, I want to, I want to change up the cooking
game a little bit. I am, I am one of the types
that I like to have good food while I'm out,
but like when we're poor, it's hot dogs. So like
I want I want the bougie stuff for when we can
be bougie But the rock pots super cool idea.
I For the price, I think I would like rather
Try it before I buy it and I that sounds stupid.
But like if someone has one that's in our friend
group, I'd rather like See what they do and how
they work it and go from there, because, like,
I don't want to buy it and be like, eh, this
wasn't exactly what I was hoping for. But you
can. So, like, I've seen people do, like, spaghetti.
They'll put the sauce in, they'll put the meat
in, and they'll put the dry noodles in, and then
by the time it's ready to eat the spaghetti,
the noodles have absorbed, like, the water that's
in the sauce and it's, like, a thicker... Spaghetti
it looks really good. Like it looks like it works
great. So It's definitely really cool idea dude
people are baking bread in the Rock Pot Yeah,
I imagine you probably could at that heat. Yeah
Yeah, I don't know Rock Pot's cool. I want to
try it Yeah, it's just a lot of money and it's
hard to make the decision to buy it And for me,
it's also like the storage thing like the oven
folds down flat Um, and it's even smaller than
my stove. Um, whereas a rock pot is round and
that's just like, it's another thing. To me,
the way I'd be using the rock pot, that wouldn't
be a problem because I would almost do an entire
weekend's worth of food in one rock pot and just
keep it hot the whole time. Yeah. And then just
like, oh, we stopped for lunch. I get some soup
out of my rock pot. That's, that's so like. for,
like, single dude, non -picky family activities.
That's, like, that's probably, like, the best
invention ever. It would probably be very worth
it to do a rock -box. Like, I could just do a
stew and live off of it this whole weekend. Do
a perpetual. As they say, like, a perpetual stew.
Yeah, exactly. Like, just heat up the stone,
add a few potatoes and a lump of meat, and keep
in a little bit more, like, water, broth, and
keep going. Like... That'd be really fun for
that. I love my wife, but she will not eat the
same thing two days in a row. So even perpetual
stew, if I was to change that slightly, she'd
be like, it's still stew. I want something else.
But it's a super cool idea for the less picky
like that. when I'm solo like what I don't plan
I do like maybe a steak and potatoes for like
my first night on the 30th just as like a celebratory
here hey I'm out here alone for the first time
in years I'm out camping alone without my family
which is gonna be sad but kind of cool I guess
too because I could focus on trying to like make
a video but But I can also eat how I want. So
I can just bring hot dogs and eat hot dogs all
weekend and peanut butter, jelly sandwiches.
Like I, and I don't have to worry about it. Like
that, like if I was, if I was solo, no wife,
no kid, I would probably be eating in crustables.
most of the weekend. Like, that's just, I mean,
like, we're simple people. Like, I could eat
a block of feta cheese and steak for breakfast,
lunch, and dinner and be fine. So, uh, so yeah,
no, the rock pot's a cool idea. Um, I think cooking
-wise, though, I'm really happy with my Coleman
stove, and I don't see myself switching off to
anything other than, like, a two -burner jet
boil. Um, the, the full down. And that's if I
just... come across a crazy deal. I don't know
that. There is cheap knockoffs. Yeah, there is.
And I've seen them. They're they're pretty cool.
But cheap knockoffs of what? Sorry. Jet boil.
Oh, yeah. Because you guys have the clamshell,
right? The clamshell. Yeah. Well, we were originally
actually looking at one that literally looks
like the same one just doesn't have the jet boil
label. Right. Right. So, I mean, I wouldn't be
opposed to trying that. But the only issue, and
that's another reason why we're kind of It's
just gonna do a single burner. If you put the
second burner on, it cuts the input from the
other burner down. There's like no split difference.
It doesn't have like a built -in splitter or
something that regulates it? Not unless the one
we have. That's weird. And most... The actual
jet blow has a better system, but ours does not.
That's like a small difference. that I don't
know constitutes the $300 for the clamshell.
You know what I mean? Like, because you got yours
for less than, like, probably what? $50, less
than $50? I want to say $80 when I bought it.
Oh, that's more than I thought. But even then,
like, $80 and then what? The second burner isn't
as hot. It literally cuts the output for one
burner down to, like, half. We turned it on to
heat our hands up, and it just cut... almost
all the power off for the main burner I was using
for cooking with. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean,
a splitter would be good then to something that
can regulate the two. But have we tried it with
the bigger tank or was that only with the that
was with a bigger tank? Well, it was with a bigger
tank because that went down to Missouri. Yep.
You're right. You're right, ma 'am. That's a
bummer. I do like that. It doesn't do that with
mine, but The downside to mine is that it is
still quite large. I mean, it's thin, which makes
it worth it, I guess. It packs down thin. But
the stove itself, the whole platform, is the
typical Coleman stove platform. It's pretty large.
But I don't have a problem with that. The only
time that I have issues with it is when I hip
to whoopty, and it's not secured, so it goes
into the back seat. Yeah. So it usually falls
right next to the kid, and he's like, ah! Like
he he's pointing at it like it's that and the
pop -up shelter that keeps falling down and like
almost taking my kid out I Actually while we're
having this conversation. I just bought a single
burner stove for us off Amazon Yeah, do you see
the price I know it's why I said like I guess
I can't argue too much So I was gonna do that
one that had the wood top that covers it I know,
but how much is that one? Let me find it. Hey,
wood's expensive. That's the other thing when
we're talking about organization too is like,
I'm going to be working on that all spring probably
throughout the camping trips. Building probably,
this is, I've done a lot of different builds
and this is going to be, it's going to be a seat
delete. I'm going to move the kid over. To behind
my seat watch that one of the accessory Yeah,
move the accessory bag behind Sienna's do the
seat delete the whole bench Do the platform and
then I'll probably move the battery pack over
Since I'll have them. Yeah. Okay. Mine's like
$52 .99. So right now that is a better deal When
you yeah, it's what it's under 20 bucks. I was
like as soon as I saw that I'm like, yep got
it Well, we'll do it. We should do it direct.
I wish we had a do you guys have a like thermometer?
Like I wish we could like test them side -by
-side to see what the heat output Of each one
of those is I mean thermometers aren't expensive.
So I'm sure we could pull something up I have
an IR one somewhere, but I don't know how accurate
it actually is about eight years ago They don't
have to eight thousand six hundred BT use I Trusting
mines 12 ,000 I trust that with a grain of salt,
man. Yeah. That sounds underpowered compared
to the black one we got. That one, they're all
about the same. It's the same, the same typical
design. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why
mine, I think that's why mine's two, two, two.
Maybe it's, I think it's 12 ,000, might be 22,
but anyway. Um, but yeah, that's the main thing
is I'm going to be changing a bunch of that stuff.
this spring, I'm gonna be buying the, what I
would like to do is buy a wrap. Like the, what
do you call the stuff you put on like tables
or cupboards? It's like a wrap. No, it's like
a wrap. It's like a vinyl. Sticky vinyl cover.
Yeah, I wanna try and find something durable
like that that I can put over the plywood instead
of the typical like carpet. so it's easy to clean
but I want to do some plywood and then put that
stuff on it help make it look a little better
I was looking at like topo but there's not a
lot I like I don't know what to look for as far
as like something that's sturdy that won't like
tear you know like I'll keep looking you could
do like that vinyl click together flooring that
would be too bad the free flow yeah I'll look
at that too but yeah I just want to make it look
way more presentable put together and then yeah
I'm gonna put some put some holes in it some
access holes kind of like the goose gear honestly
the goose gear isn't I mean it's expensive but
it's not crazy for what I want to do but I still
want to try and build it out myself how I want
to do it and then yeah we'll see because I still
have to get a second water container Those have
been working really well, so I want to keep up
with those. And then I'll mount my spare battery
behind there as well. And then I should be fine.
We'll see what Bison Gear sends me if they're
redoing all their stuff right now for the new
year. So if they end up sending me one of their
shelving systems or something, then I'll have
to work around that because, well, I'm not going
to say no. I need to take out that one that's
built from scrap, uh, farm wood and build something
a little better. I've got some ideas to use some
unistra or some extruded aluminum and build a
frame. Um, but I haven't really locked in how
I want to do that yet, so we'll see. Was also
debating about redoing that one the one in the
rear, but I'm probably gonna stick with that
one for a little bit longer But I do want to
like switch to extrusion and then plastic and
sort of yep wood and I need to I need to decide
if I'm going to continue to put stuff into this
for runner or Wait until I build the new one.
Yeah So Anything I can take out easily I'll put
in there like I'm gonna do seats in this one
just because my seats are god -awful But those
I could easily switch to the new one so it doesn't
really matter Yeah, they have so like they have
it's called contact paper basically but They
have like peel -and -stick wallpaper, it's like
a dark black wood grain paper, you know, but
maybe I'll just paint it maybe I'll just do like
a couple thick coats of black paint and be done
with it. But I just like you typically when you
see some of these like pre -built like shelves
and stuff like that, they have that gray like
marine grade carpet. Yes, it's stupid easy to
clean. It is. I just don't love the carpet like
I if I'm going to do it from scratch, I would
like to design it. To where I like smooth surfaces.
I like to just be able to wipe it off. And yeah
the carpet you can wipe but it's not as easy
as just like a surface so What I might do is
just the some cheap like discount flooring from
like Menards The waterproof flooring the tongue
and groove kind of plastic PVC ish and then run
that for just the top part of the Seat delete
That that's like cheap. I only I'm only gonna
need like I Don't know like 15 pieces of it.
So it's not gonna be super expensive. I can cut
it to the shape I want I can cut holes in it
I'm not gonna be upset if anything goes wrong
with it. I could take it out and just replace
the one piece So I might do something like that
But I'm gonna cross that bridge when I get there
again Because something might come up better.
I've been scouring Marketplace to find used Goose
Gear seat deletes for an FJ, but you're not going
to find that stuff. I have not seen a Goose Gear
product on Facebook Market yet. No. And that
kind of speaks to the quality of their stuff,
because people don't resell that shit. You know
what you can find everywhere are those decked.
Oh, yeah. Pull out drawers. They just re they
just redid there. So a lot of them are getting
going to the newer version of it now. Hey, don't
worry, guys. I got you. There's a goose gear
to draw rear cabinet on Marketplace right now
for five hundred dollars. Is it the one for the
JKU or whatever the Wrangler jail? But yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I already seen it. I
thought about it. I'm like, I was going to ask
him for the measurements on that, because I'm
like, that actually might fit. There is, however,
a goose gear tailgate table, which is also for
a JL. But we could make this work on the FJ.
I mean, let me do some goose gear searches here.
Yeah, I think this year we're gonna have a trend
of us working on an interior mod based off of
our conversations. Dude, mine... I gotta do something.
It's gotten so bad. Yeah. I'm planning on deleting
the rest of my 16 bench. Really? Yeah. Yeah,
I thought we had this conversation, you and me
at least. No, you're getting rid of what's left
of your bench seat? Yeah, cause we're... cause
I want... cause seeing what Geo and... Chris
Hall has for their, that custom one that they
had contracted to whatever. Yep. Not I'm kind
of intrigued by prices for it. See what they
got, but potentially just make it ourselves.
But I have the idea of, I want to make a platform
that has a packout plate and then another one
that slides out so we can do double packouts,
but that haven't fully out all the time. Got
you. Yeah, there's a few little goose gears.
It's mostly for Jeep. I mean, that's pretty typical.
Around here, you're mostly going to find Jeep
parts. Yeah. For sure. I did just sell my radio,
my stock radio and headlights the other day.
Wow. Finally. I've had those up for a while.
They came, they offered me a little less for
the radio on Marketplace. I was like, fine, whatever.
Like it's just sitting in my closet anyway. Then
they came and asked me if I had any more parts
for an FJ. And I like turned around to look at
my FJ and I'm like, not any that I really want
to sell you. Like I have a bunch of spare parts
for the truck that I need. But, um, but I did
tell them I had the headlights, which I already
had up. I couldn't remember what I had them on
for marketplace. And I just told them $20. And
they're like, yeah, we'll do that. I only need
one. I'm like, I'm not selling you one headlight.
Like, what's the fucking point? Like, if I give
you one headlight, do you know how hard it is
for me to be able to sell the other headlight
by itself? Right. Right. I'm like, I will sell
you both for 20. And that's a good deal. Take
it or leave it. And they're like, yeah, we'll
do that. I'm like, OK. Yeah, let's pair one for
when that one breaks at some point. Yeah. There's
no reason, dude. So yeah, I got I got those sold
and taken out but other than that the spare parts
I have left are mechanical so it's like wheel
bearings brake calipers for the rear Reminds
me I need to get a front brake caliper. I forgot
about that again. So Yeah, pretty much I haven't
driven the truck much I don't I think I've driven
it like once or twice since New Year's so It's
just kind of chilling right now. I check it now
every day to make sure that it's actually charging.
But yeah, with that auxiliary power off, it's
fine. So I got to replace that WeBoost antenna.
I got the WeBoost hardwire kit now. That finally
came in. So I can hardwire the WeBoost, which
means I have the WeBoost hardwired, the dash
cam. hardwired. That takes a lot of that extra
crap out of the cab that we were all complaining
about, all of us. It was annoying for me too.
So get all that out. And then while I have that
antenna out and down, I'm going to work on that
mouth for it so that I can actually get it to
move back and forth again. Yeah. So that'll be
good. And then... I need to figure out a net
or something for the roof. Be able to store some
stuff in. I'd love to do like a molly panel.
I think I've mentioned this before, but like
do a molly panel that bolts onto the roof. Oh,
ceiling net roof. Ceiling, yes. Oh, I was like,
dude, what are you talking about? Yeah, like
a cargo. I bought one that set it fit for an
FJ off of Amazon. It did not. And I tried to
make it fit and it sagged so fucking bad that
it was like touching the top of my head. I'm
like, yeah, I know. And I have plenty of head
room in the FJ. Yeah. So like, if I could get
a like molly panel that went across the head
area and then just went towards the back. That
would be really nice for storing thinner items
like the pop -up can't the pop -up shitter I
have like an atlas and stuff just in case maps
stop working. I could pull out like physical
maps You just need multiple versions of maps
and then you're fine Yeah, I mean I have a lot
of downloaded maps and I try to pre -plan and
download all those maps But I still carry that
fucker around like I don't think I've used it
in years, but I'm like maybe one day The one
day I don't need it, I'll need it. You just need
to have a phone, a garment, and a tablet. Then
you have no chance of not having maps. Yeah.
Well, and usually I have three phones, my main
phone, a camera phone for doing camera shot,
and Sienna's phone and a tablet. They all have
the maps downloaded onto them. So between the
four or five phones or whatever, I don't think
I'd ever have an issue, but it's just one of
those things where I think it's just nice to
have. It's like, just in case. Just in case,
just in case. Everything goes bad. Yeah. Yeah,
I want to do, I'm going to do the seats in the
front. I need to do rear seats because the kid's
seat took out like an eight inch by six inch
chunk of leather out of my back seat. Oh dude,
I'm still pissed about it. So I need back seats
now and then I was going to do carpet, but I'll
probably wait until I build the other four runner.
Um, just because I don't want to spend money
on something that isn't going to stay there,
you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, are you, are you
going to switch to the other four runner full
time? Yeah. So what I'm going to do. And me and
Mark been talking about this is I'm going to
build a rear axle for it. Probably do cantilever
in the back and then the front is going to be
the long travel. It's currently on the truck
might be refreshed. I did get with my cousin
the other day, so he might be cutting me some
files. Um, but I'm going to do the same long
travel setup. Uh, basically anything good from
my truck is going to move to the other one. It's
going to be a new frame, a new body. No more
rust. That's the big thing. It's no more rust.
Supercharger? Yeah, eventually Supercharger.
Is this the same project for runner frame that
we were talking about months ago, where you were
going to be sinking like 100k into? Yeah. No,
it was going to be like 20k. And instead of sinking
20k into it, I'm going to be putting like...
16 K into it. Um, originally I was going to build
like a crazy rock crawler out of it, but I don't
really need that. I just need something that
can do all the trails around us. And if I want
to go play on other rocks, it's capable of it.
The big, the big problem I'm running into now
is I'm chasing so much rust on mine that within
the next two years, I'm going to have to replace
it anyway. Yeah. So I may as well just. build
one rather than build one and buy one. Right.
Yeah, that makes sense. That's why we take Alex's
crazy ideas with a couple grains of salt because
there's usually they'll change up or they'll
change up like enough to be different. Not much
has changed. The only difference is instead of
a solid front axle, I'm doing IFS on the front
still. Yep. Ooh. and not necessarily trying to
make a custom pickup. Oh, I'm definitely making
a pick up out of the next one. Oh, you are? Oh,
yeah, that's happening. Oh, maybe not as much
as change as I thought. Yeah. Wow. Still. And
Mark, you're pretty storage wise. I mean, you're
kind of tapped out for like. Know you can't really
do like drawers because you don't have like access
doors or anything behind your seat So you can
just do packouts and stuff, right? Yeah, you
know door. Oh, do you have full doors? Oh For
some reason I am I thinking of your brother's
he died. Yeah, his is an extended cab, but even
that has access doors at the back Oh, I don't
know why. I was thinking he didn't have doors
back there. Oh, fuck. Well, congratulations on
the extension that I forgot about. But now that
I think about it, and I'm thinking of times where
you probably have used your doors, I can remember
it. But yeah, I was just thinking, do you have
any other plans to upgrade your storage to differently?
Are you going to stick with the packouts? As
of right now, packout, I haven't decided if I
want to do a mix of it yet. Might be doing some
other products and I'm going through so many
ideas of how to do my rear seat and Yeah, more
of I need to get a platform and start building
and see what I can do with it Yeah, I mean that's
kind of the thing too is like you don't really
know what you need or how you want it organized
until you've already kind of fucked it up a few
times at least for me anyway Yeah, like at least
we have enough packouts of different sizes that
aren't being used now that you can fuck it up
without having to spend money Yeah Yeah, and
different packouts for sure. Because at this
point I need to build a platform and then figure
out how much space and how many packouts I can
theoretically put in there and figure out storage
-wise. It would be cool to do a slider that came
out of one of those doors where you had packouts
mounted on the slider. We have discussed that.
We have, because originally I was going to have
it... I think slide out. My issue is that my
door doesn't fully open frontward. Right. And
there's a lot of plastic on that door, which
we've also discussed about fixing. Gonna just
get the back doors. Yeah. And then pretty much
feel like a rubber pad or mat. Yeah. Like a truck.
Almost like a truck mud flap. Yeah. Like that
material. Like a horse all man. Just have my
switch. Yeah, pretty much. I just have my switches
available. That's it Hey, man, if it works I
I mean if if you don't plan on ever using your
back doors for anything like then do it Well,
the cool thing is that it doesn't actually make
your back doors like unusable. It just changes
the cover I would just lose my Water bottle holders
down the door and that's about it darn That's
a big darn. Do you have captain seats like with
a center console? Yes. Yes. Yeah There's a video
I sent in botches of the guy that had a pack
out as a center console in the middle Yeah, and
then he had his fucking coffee cup. He could
just lock into his pack out Mike That would be
so cool for those guys with the captain seats
I think mine's too narrow for a pack out the
open there I would actually consider it if it
didn't take up more space than I had. It doesn't
take up more space. Modifying my whole center
of council, I don't think the pack out will come
back out if it goes in. Yeah, right. For me,
I don't know that I have enough space. I'd have
to take the armrest out. And then I think by
the time I put that pack out, In it would be
raised too high for my arm to be like a comfortable
hand rest, but I think it's really cool I don't
think you'd even have to take your cut or your
arm rest. So Well, maybe we'll test it with one
of yours someday Yeah, I mean don't use don't
use the big pack out use one of the ammo can
ones. Yeah These things might be too. Yeah, although
right I don't know that it would be Well, that's
I'm saying we could test it out it I don't know
how long they are as far as like how far I could
move it up so it wouldn't take up space in the
back behind the seats, but For me though, I will
just test I gotta get rid of my inverter Yeah
inverters right underneath my center console.
My trucks too narrow to do any of it. So Yeah,
I know Between my two seats, I don't have like
seven inches. The inside of Alex's truck feels
like it was made for a Japanese person. It was.
That's what I'm saying, though, is that it feels
like it was. When you get into my truck, it doesn't
feel like that. We're probably smaller back in
the 90s than we are currently. I don't know that
it's that we're smaller. I just think that Toyota
was still building them to the Japanese. So first
through third gen forerunners are very much so
still built for Japanese. Once you hit the fourth
gen, they start to scale it up. I don't think
they did a surf, a fourth gen surf. I think they
did up to third gen. I think they did third gens.
Yeah. Up to third gen, I should say. That that's
kind of why because like before they were just
building one truck that would work everywhere
and now yeah, yeah, I Don't know it's just like
I get into Like I feel like the seats aren't
even wide enough for my fat ass and Alex's car
like I get in and I have to like kind of shift
over to like close the door so it doesn't hit
my arm or something. It's like, it's like, I
just feel so big in such a small car and I am
a big guy. I get it. But like, you have to like
uncomfort stick your head up into the sun roof
a little bit because it's so low. Yeah, you're
right. So and with my truck is just like when
you get in, Alex even made a comment whether
when he was testing, test driving it out the
one day, this thing just feels fucking massive.
Like it does. It's like the Toyota version of
a Hummer. Well, yeah, I'm gonna say it's your
windshield that really makes it feel big Yeah,
dude and though like there's so much space in
that truck like yeah front seat back seat doesn't
matter. There's so much space Comparatively for
sure. Yeah, and like it doesn't feel like it
as far as storage space because I'm working with
it But like I think the coolest thing is that
I have like a almost completely flat dash That
makes it really nice for eating dinner like we
we there was so many people at our Thanksgiving
dinner at Sienna's grandparents house that we
literally walked out into the FJ and we I tilted
my steering wheel down and we use the dash as
a table and We ate our food our Thanksgiving
there because there was so many people there
wasn't even enough chairs tables like you were
standing eating So we just went out there for
some peace and quiet and like that thing that
thing is so great for that Dude, that truck just
has so much room in general. Like, you've got
so much space. Yeah, I love that truck 100%.
I'm super scared for when that axle goes, but
I'm not gonna get rid of it for any reason. I'm
just gonna find another axle, but... I think
you've got... I think you're fine. I really do.
Like, they just kind of eat themselves over time.
Yeah, I haven't checked my fluid yet. I don't
I don't think that I drove enough for it to be
worth it to check my fluid I think I might do
I'll do the Mitch trip and to Cadillac and back
and If we can get a fucking dry day around here,
right? Oh My god, dude, like we had a couple
days this last week where it was back up to like
50s which it was like that prior to New Year's
and everything melted. My whole driveway was
one big ice sheet and puddle. And I'm like, I'm
not getting down on the fucking ground to do
everything. Like everything melted and then we
got slammed with snow again. And then it got
warm again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got slammed
with like, what, what was it? Like three inches
of snow this last week. And then. Which was really
nice. Like it made everything look better again,
because after everything melted, man, it was
a sloppy, shitty mess. But, and then, and then
everything melted again. Um, so now it's just
kind of an in -betweener and then start getting
rain. You know, today it was warm and everything
melted. Well, tomorrow we get snow and then it
snows every day this week. Yeah, I'm fine with,
I'm fine with that. Like just get rid of, like,
I love what it looks like when it snows. I love
it. As long as next weekend when we go to go
camping, there's like a foot of snow on the ground,
I'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah. I really want to actually
winter camp. I mean, technically we did that
one time, but it snowed on us after when it did
that. I don't know. I will see with her working.
I will see if I could pop out at least to just
hang out for a bit. That would be fun like just
to come out and hang out and like See what the
setups like because you guys definitely have
for winter camping you guys definitely have an
advantage as far as like Well, at least mark
does to having a cot off the ground See, I don't
I don't know. I almost think you'd be better
off on the snow than on the car. Oh With the
like the water well, the snow is gonna insulate
right I just think in general, but in comfort
wise, a hundred percent, it's going to be better
on the cot. Yeah. No. Yeah. I think if he had,
if you had good installation underneath you,
Mark, like, uh, like a pad or 10, yeah. Um, then
I feel like you'd be great up there. I'm sure
the flag is great too. So far I've not experienced
too much coldness from the bottom anymore. So
yeah. Yeah, and from my pad, and my pad's not
even like an R8, it's an R5, I don't really experience
any coldness from the bottom, but it'll be a
good test to see in extreme temps, on a tent
floor, whether I do. I don't think that I'm gonna
have any issue at all, like once I get this marine
battery thing hooked up, because that diesel
heater, by the way, having it outside anyway,
and I mentioned this to Mark in our wrap episode
while you were gone. I had that running and it
was like silent. You get almost you could barely
hear it. So it is super quiet and and It was
it did really good. Like I ran it on that first
run I ran it as long as it would run which I
think was like four hours one thing I would definitely
recommend So, you know, there's an intake and
an outtake for the heater part itself You should
have two vents going into your tent one for intake
one for outtake I don't have an I don't have
like a hose for an intake right you should get
one is what I'm saying because what that's gonna
do is when you've got it outside let's say it's
30 degrees outside right and you're you're heat
the air inside your tat and you're just pulling
air from outside into inside you're gonna go
through diesel three to four times as fast as
if you were pulling already warm air from inside
your tat to go yeah yeah but like I don't even
have like a place to mount it, it's just a flat
surface with vent holes cut out. Oh, that's.
That's dumb. That's really. Yeah, that's dumb.
I'm fine with it. Well, let Alex look at it.
He might find where it's actually at. No, no,
there's no, there's not one. There's like on
the side of the on the side of the toolbox thing,
it's just a cutout. There's no mounting spot.
It's just flat. Because I know Alex was trying
to figure out where his intake was when he first
got it. Yeah, this intake is very clear. Yeah,
mine, I was trying to figure out which one was
intake and which one was outtake. Let's see.
I like it. Yeah, it's so much better if you were
able to do defense. Yeah, to recycle the air.
It makes sense. But no, mine just doesn't even
have a port for it. And I can only find pictures
of the one side so That's fun Yeah, the other
side is just uh, it's oh gosh Sorry, the video
played in my face. Oh, yeah. Look at that. It's
just that's dumb I mean, it's it's fine for you.
It's fine. It just yeah, I don't mind it's Like
I haven't even looked at I honestly I haven't
even looked at how much diesel it used in that
four hours I'm sure it wasn't too much I will
say that the filter they have in that tank for
a typical diesel pump Oh my god, I just ended
up taking that little filter out because it was
so fucking slow Take it forever to actually filter
the diesel through it, huh? I Guess I should
look I don't even know if mine has I'll set up
for both sides. I'm pretty sure mine does if
not and taking it apart and making it work with
both sides Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you could,
I'm sure you could somehow, but, um, like even
just use a hole saw or something and cut a hole
to like hook up into that. But mine is mine only
has one side too. I don't like that. Yeah. I'm
cool with it for me for now. Um, uh, I really
want to test it out on its own stock as they
say, and then See how that works. I'm excited
for that it but dude that I had that hose pointed
towards the top of my Deck where I was walking
and when I kept checking and I came back out
that that air was hot and For a small tent like
our two -person that would cook us right out
of it for sure soon For our sixth person that
that's more heat than that buddy heater ever
put out. So I'm like For a sixth person I'm debating
on pulling that if I have to talk to Mitch if
it's gonna be a base camp style like we're gonna
camp all weekend there for moving to different
spots, but Yeah, ours will not be base camp.
We're gonna hit multiple spots Yeah, I don't
blame you. That'd be cool though But just based
off of that I might use the bigger tent just
to see how well it stores that air when it's
fully sealed But no, when I checked on the deck
later, it went from a completely snow -topped,
ice -topped deck. And when I looked at it later,
it was just bare dry wood. And I was like, oh,
damn. So yeah, it was crazy. I had my father
-in -law come out and take a look at it. He's
like, damn, this is nice. I'm like, dude, if
we ran out of power, I could probably run that
exhaust through the chimney. and just use this
to, like, keep the inside of the house through
our living room area. I don't know how that would...
I think that would work, right? Like, just take
your exhaust and, like, route it up into the
chimney for the fireplace. It's not super long,
but I feel like the air pole would be funny,
right? I don't know that I'd run it through the
chimney. I'd put it out a window. Yeah. I...
Don't have I would have to make a platform to
do that unless I if I get the vent like I plan
on then I won't have to because it'll be like
an eight foot vent but I plan on my event being
pretty long Chill that air down a little bit
before it actually goes into It's funny that
I have to say that but like I Don't want that
hot like I could not run that That heater all
night I had it on just, I had it set at 70, which
is probably way too hot, but like, I could probably
set it at 60 and be fine, but I have an eight
foot duct in my cart right now. Oh. With aluminum
on the inside. This is, this is happening real
time. I just got a message at 840 from the company
I bought the desiccator vents from, and they
only had three of them in stock and there's,
I ordered four. So they're going to refund me
for the fourth one. And I guess we also won't
have an intake this camping trip. Well, I guess
test them out stock then. If you guys can, if
you could take measurements like what you did
full, the time that it was full when you started
it, how long it lasted, et cetera. Because I'd
like to compare and contrast when I do mine and
just see the setups. Are you going to have that
Marine battery for that one? Yeah. Now that you're
saying Sienna can get them for like under a hundred
bucks, I'm probably going to be hitting her up.
I'll slide in DMs for a back. Love it. OK. I'll
when she goes and buys one tomorrow and gives
me the final price for it, I'll let you know.
Yeah, because of it, because she was supposed
to buy it tonight. But she forgot, so. Yeah,
because that I could do. What's that kid? You
oughta learn. Yeah, it's good to be that time.
That I could do, uh, I could just buy one rather
than borrow my brother's first boat. Yeah. You
can test it out and just see how you like it.
Cause maybe you want to go with a different,
cause I think the one that we're doing is a group
24. I feel like that I don't really care. I've
heard people using lawn batteries and they're
just. They're fine. I've seen, heard people using
their own car batteries and they're fine, but
I don't want to put that stress on my car battery.
As long as it fits in a pack out, I really don't
care. So, um, I think I've got a group 24 right
now and it fits pretty good. Yeah. I have a box
in my cart actually, uh, while we were talking
about it earlier, because as I was talking about
the safety concern with my kid, I was like, yeah,
I'd need a box cause he will touch both of those
somehow. And fuck himself up some I don't know
or he'll or he'll put something flammable on
the tops of them and I'll fucking Torch my trucks
dude, so Coughing but there's a no -co a no -co
snap top battery box group 24 to 31 12 -volt
For 21 bucks. Yeah. No, we're straight. That's
what we've gotten trailer. Yeah, so That's what
I plan on doing, and I'll just cut the holes
out for the Anderson cables. It's actually got
pass -throughs, so you don't have to cut holes.
Oh, nice. See? Even better. Yeah, so while we're
talking about kids and safety problems, dude,
turkeys are the fucking worst. So I had three
days ago, they chewed through one of the wires
to one of the feed line motors and fried the
motor. So I replaced it, right? Put a brand new
one in. Today, they unscrewed the cover for the
junction box. They somehow managed to get the
screw to come off, pulled the cover off, and
then pulled the wires out of the motor as if
they were worms. What the fuck? So they destroyed
a second $300 motor in three days. Jesus. Are
these the ones that are due to go out? No, these
ones, they're only like eight weeks old, 10 weeks
old. Oh, Jesus. Gets a problem, Childs, there,
bud. Gonna have to whip them around a little
bit. Bro. And then, as I'm sitting there fixing
it, like, I set my ratchet down, because I had
to take the bolts out, right? So I set the ratchet
down, turned around to grab the ratchet, and
it was freaking gone. They grabbed it and took
off down the barn with it. I found it like halfway
down the barn I can't tell if that's your turkeys
or you got some fucking supernatural gnome or
something fuck around with it No, it's the turkeys
dude. They they're just for whatever reason they
were stealing all my tools today They're all
up in my business wouldn't leave me alone. It
it was it was annoying. It was bad Yeah It's
like the cats when I go out those farm cats I
have out there That's why I can't test my tents
out and stuff out there because they're gonna
be all over my fucking tents and I don't want
to pee in on them or anything. That's why all
my cats are inside cats, so I can do whatever
I want outside without having to worry about
them. Yeah, our inside cat's great. She's kind
of useless with mice. Like we heard a mouse the
other day making noises. I'm like, go Pixie,
go, get him, get him. She's like, nah, I don't
feel like it. I'm like, yeah, of course you wouldn't.
There's one time we came back as actually we
came back from a camping trip I let the cat up
for like the first time because our cats They've
got a basement they hang out in most of the time
to the dog will kill them So I let the cats up
for nighttime and he kept me up all night Just
taking chasing mice that he was finding in one
night. He brought me like four mice. I was like
fuck Good cat man. I our dog catches more mice
than the cats do I don't it's crazy, but No,
our cat, you know, that brings me to the point
to, like, camping with animals. Camping with
cats has got to be probably pretty dope. Like,
if you can get over the whole pooping part. Like,
Ivan, I believe it is, had a camp cat. I can't
remember her name. Yeah, Ivan has a camp cat.
Uh, and she was so cool to have out there, dude.
That was so cool to have a little camp cat out
walking around on her leash and stuff. And I
always wanted to do something like that with
an animal. Um, it'd be really cool to do it with
like a raccoon or a bird. I used to have a parrot
that would go camping with me. He also, he also
would go fishing with us, which was really fun.
I feel like a raccoon would be like the closest
thing. To a smart human that you could get like
opposable thumbs I'd just be worried like he'd
go I'll run off with all the other raccoons and
do hooligan shit like I don't know dude like
Because raccoons their average brain capacity
is like a two -year -old That's fine something
like that. And then uh, there's dogs that are
smarter than that even like Mercy that's closer
to like a four or five -year -old Oscars right
in that same range I'm cool with a two -year
-old brain capacity. My two -year -old knows
just enough to keep his shit from dying, and
that's... And when I yell for him, he comes back.
It's like, that's all I really need. Like, he's
been a pain and a joy lately. I've been telling
Sam, I'm like, I need a day off. Like, I need
a break. Literally, this trip coming up, I texted
Mark. I was like, dude, what are you doing this
weekend? You know, a couple weekends from now.
He's like... doesn't look like anything, and
I'm like, all right, we're going camping. Fuck
this, I need to get away. That's kind of why
I was pushing to do the 30th. If I hadn't already
told Mitch that I was coming, I would have just
canceled and said to you guys, but me and him
already have a plan for setting up filming stuff.
Because he does the little YouTube videos and
filming too, so it's a good match to try to work
together and try to put up a good... Whether
we do separate YouTube videos or or just combine
each other's footage or something. I don't know
I don't care, but it would just be really cool
to try Then I have to figure out that whole other
thing with what I'm gonna end up using as an
editor because That's been a whole Depressing
situation as well. So yeah, I need to get over
and look at your computer and see why it's doing
that Well, I think if I think Sienna's looking
at just getting the DaVinci Pro and being done
with it because Instead of doing like a monthly
subscription and instead of doing all that I
could just get the studio for 300 bucks and be
done with it. It's a lifetime thing and Might
still be in the same boat with 4k video though
If that's the case, then I'll have to upgrade
something out of my computer Um, but the, the
thing is, is that it, like in DaVinci right now,
it won't even play the video because, because
I believe that 4K and above at my settings for
the camera, um, it won't allow it to play. Cause
I can use, I can use footage from my phone camera
and I can upload it to DaVinci and it plays that
just fine. But when I try to upload footage from
my DJI camera it will not so I'm assuming the
the 4k 60 frames a second is a premium feature
and that's kind of what we talked about the other
day but even when I tried using shot cut it was
so glitchy I'm hoping that I could fix that I'll
have to do some more messing around our shotgun
and stuff to figure that out but we'll see Yeah,
I enhance I have no issues with shortcut. That's
why I was so surprised Okay, so You can edit
4k video with a 3060, but you will experience
performance issues or lag during editing preview
Yeah, I I did look up something and I'm gonna
try and change it If I'm gonna try 4k, but I'm
gonna try to change down the editing preview
To a lower graphic and see if that helps because
the editing preview is gonna be different from
pose, right? So I can edit it in a really low
graphic Set my color scale and do all that and
then I can upload at 4k and I'll try that with
Shotcut I'll see if I can get it to not be laggy.
And if that's the case, we're all set to go but
yeah, it's just I've been having problems with
it and It was getting to be irritating because
I spent all the time trying to get all the files
over. I got them all on there and it was just
like everything was I just couldn't do anything.
So we'll see. But we all have some plans coming
up. It's going to be pretty fun. We all both
have camping trips. We're both going to try and
document it pretty well. We're all testing out
some new gear. I'll be honest. I'm definitely
not going to document mine well because I'm definitely
going to forget. We are gonna forget That's a
damn shame But either way we have some new stuff.
We're gonna test out new content as far as that
goes Yep, and we have some interviews coming
up. So it's gonna be pretty fun All right. Catch
you guys later later