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Welcome to botches off road. Join us as we talk

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about everything from gear reviews to trail stories,

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do with the outdoors. If that intro is different

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than the last intro, we're recording this episode

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like a month in advance. And I was going to talk

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to the guys about changing the intro for season

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three. So there's a chance that you're getting

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a little throwback intro there. Yes. We'll see.

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Yeah. And you know what? Maybe The topic today

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will already be figured out by then. Maybe not,

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though. So we'll see. Which brings us to the

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topic. So as you guys know, I've talked about

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it a lot. I really like the idea of a rooftop

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tent. Whether financially I'll be able to afford

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that and still do the trips I want to do this

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year is kind of the issue. So right now I'm looking

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for a new tent. that's super fast -ish to put

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up, can withstand 50 -degree winds, rain sideways,

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and that's comfortable for the family. So today's

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episode is gonna be a little bit of a tent search,

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and we're gonna talk about that. And we're just...

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Yeah, well, and I think we want something taller.

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Yeah, you want to be able to stand up. You don't

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want to have to have a different space to change.

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Yeah, so we already have like a two -person dagger,

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which is really great for quick pop -ups. When

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we're only doing a night, it's really quick,

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dirty. They're super waterproof. But we're looking

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for things that is almost as quick, that could

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house all three of us comfortably, and is...

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I like smaller but looking at pop -ups I don't

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want to go with like the course style pop -ups

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we've tried those I didn't like them so they

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suck and I personally want something better waterproofed

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if I could get a full rain fly I want one so

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we're gonna do some looking around and of course

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everybody knows the big elephant in the room

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is a gazelle And gazelles, I've done hours and

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hours of research. Alex and I both know people

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that have them, and we both know people that

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say they're great, and we both know people that

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say they fucking suck. And it's just, I think

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it comes down to a quality control issue. And,

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oh, dude, I think the gazelle's just the easy

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answer here. The problem is that, and this is

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the problem we're gonna have with a lot of these

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style of tents, the gazelle is just a glorified

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hunting blind. Um, and they don't, I don't know,

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they're, they're not terrible. They're just charged

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too much for what it is. Yeah. I mean, in 469,

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that was kind of like four to 500 is what I would

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be looking at max to spend on a new temp. Um,

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I get it. There is some bit of quality that you

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do gain from paying a little more, but, um, from

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what I've seen, from what I've heard, you don't

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get that much extra quality with a gazelle so

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the main reasons that I don't want a gazelle

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is first of all the door I hate that door I've

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tried climbing in and out of those and I'm a

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big guy and they're not super easy to just like

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climb in and out of and we have tripped over

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the bottom doorway a few times so That's like

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one of the, it's just a tiny like corner door.

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The quality control has been very spotty on them.

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All over the place. All over the place. So it's

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just, to me, I look at it, yes it's cool, yes

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it's what everyone else is doing, but it's too

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expensive for what you get. And I can't say that.

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Like, I could just go and get an off -brand Gazelle

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and get the same thing. And that's, unfortunately,

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what's led us down this path to look at things

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like the Acacia. So, the Acacia... I do... Go

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ahead. I will say, I really like the Gazelle

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T4 Plus. That's the one that's got the stringed

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-in porch in the front of it. I like that style

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of tech, because it gives you both somewhere

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that if it is raining, you can sit and play cards.

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or somewhere you can go, you know, to bed in.

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Yeah, I do like the T4 Plus. I do. Um, I think...

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I think the T -Hex hub is a cool thing, a cool

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concept, too. And the doors are changed. Isn't

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the... The T -Hex is like our Veever, right?

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It's like a seven -person, yeah. It's big. So,

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unfortunately, that's too big for me. I don't,

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I don't eat apples, but. The T -Hex is literally

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our Veever tent with a floor. Right. It's, yeah.

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Well, actually they're - Well, it's actually

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practical, right? And your Veever's like a rectangle,

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square. The G6 is identical to our Veever. Yeah.

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So, you know, it is very cool looking, I'll give

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it that. And they have enhanced - uh, pass through

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for air, uh, circulation, ventilation. The doors

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are different. If they made that in a smaller

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scale, that would basically be what the Acacia

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is. And actually the, the T -hex is literally

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the, uh, it's literally the same as the Viver

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just with a floor put in it. And then like some

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minor design changes, but it's the same footprint,

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same size, same setup. Is it the same shape?

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as far as it being a hexagon? They're all six

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-sided. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I mean, and that itself

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says, and for listeners here, the T -hex hub

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is $870, so it is nowhere near what I wanna spend

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for a three -person family. So we are not gonna

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do that one. What? There are other options, and

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that's where we were kind of going back with

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the Acacia 10. The Acacia is very similar. Oh,

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gosh. Let me get back up here. Yeah, very similar

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to the Gazelle. It is a pop -up style. It's pretty

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close to the same shape. It's got different doors.

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It still has a... What would you call that? It's

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got a bathtub floor, but it is Velcro. But it's

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Velcro -ing. So similar in a lot of ways. It's

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got way better ventilation. And there's a couple

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different options of rainflies for the Acacia.

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So I'm looking at it. There's three different

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rainflies. Yeah, the issue is that their website's

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kind of confusing when it comes to what you actually

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get in each one of these. for rain fly. So there's

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a standard rain fly that you get, and then a

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large rain fly that you could buy for $130, that's

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supposed to also be an insulating layer. And

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depending on which tent you get, there's a whole

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other rain fly that goes a little farther than

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the standard. So if you go on Amazon, I'll send

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you a link. This one. Comes with the slightly

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larger one. This is a space acacia light. Yeah,

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that's what I'm not a white one, right? This

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one's like white and green. Yep the band so This

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comes with like a mid -range rain fly that comes

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down about halfway down the tent There's a large

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rain fly that also has a like awning on it and

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then there's a small rain fly that only covers

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the tippy top of the town so There's a lot of

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options this uh This acacia light though with

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that rain fly that comes about halfway down dude.

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That's that's what I for 227 that's bang. That's

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where are you finding this for 227? Amazon oh,

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I have mine for 469. So yeah, I want your link.

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Oh, you're looking at the two to three person,

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right? Yes, this this one's two to eight two

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to eight Oh, no, this is two to three. You're

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right, you're right. Yeah, that one is quite

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small. I'm worried on that size. Well, still,

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there's a four to six in the same link with the

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same rain fly. Yeah, and that one's 469, and

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that's the one I've been looking at all day.

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The second other issue is the amount of YouTube

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videos reviewing this are very, very few. You

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have Acacia, and then you have a couple real

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small timers. that have looked at it. And there's

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really not a huge platform for these. And they're

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new. Like, they've been added within the last

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couple years, I think. Like last year, I'd say.

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Their copyright, I think, is 20 .25 on their

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website. Not that that matters, I think. So they're

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a new company, but they look really promising.

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And they've been one of them that... I've been

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kind of looking at. Now, for that price... I

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don't know, dude. Here we are. We're 10 minutes

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into the video. Problem solved. Get the Acacia.

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I love it. Yeah. So, the other option for close

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to the same price but more insulation, and I've

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also seen one of these in the wild, is the Free

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Spirit Recreation Hub 4XL Tent. So these are

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a lot closer to an ice shanty style, but they're

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also insulated normally. You don't have to buy

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this separately. And it would be considered like

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a true four season pop -up. Dude, I don't even

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see that. Send me a link to that one. Yeah. Let

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me copy, paste. There you go. Now this one's

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sold out, and one of our buddies who switched

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from a forerunner to a jeep, he's mean, and we

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don't like him anymore. Who is that? Drew. Oh.

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I'm just kidding, Drew's a great guy. Please

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don't arrest me. He got one of these, and this

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thing is pretty cool, I will say. And it's got

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a stove jack for a wood stove? Dude. Yeah, this

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is sick. This is sick. It's also $700, so...

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I mean, at $700, you're getting close to Temu

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Rooftop tents. But not one's big enough for your

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family. No. It's just, that's a lot of money.

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And, you know, that was something I wanted to

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check, too. I thought I saw something with the

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Acacia having a... entry for like a AC, but I'm

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not seeing it, so maybe that was a different

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tent I was looking at, but... No, I'm pretty

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sure the Acacia does. It has an inlet for a diesel

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heater. Yeah, I think it's a diesel heater or

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AC, but it doesn't matter, obviously. You just

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use either or. But... Yes, it does. Yep, it does.

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Hassle -free smoke jack. Yep. What I like about

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the Acacia, and I know you're not... too worried

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about this, but for winter camping, it would

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make a huge deal. Is that inflatable base? Yeah.

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So the inflatable base, they offer with this.

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I just watched a guy drive on top of it with

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his Jeep and it didn't pop. I saw a guy drive

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over it with a fucking excavator and it didn't

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pop. Yeah. So that's cool. It also floats in

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the water. And I watched two videos of people

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camping on the water with these. I'm not interested

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in that. They say that you need the inflatable

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part for insulation for winter camping. I would

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say the only real benefit I see is the fact that

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it's a huge boom for winter camping. Yeah, and

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honestly, having that floor, not only is it good

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for winter camping, I would imagine, but it's

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also a barrier. It's comfortable. It's going

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to be a lot more comfortable than whatever ground

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you're on. Um, I just, I'm not interested in

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paying. It's like 400. What is it for the floor?

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Is it like $400 for the floor, right? Did you

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realize the Acacia is like fully insulated? Yeah.

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I didn't realize that. They, they, they say that

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canopy, that large one makes it a true double

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layer tent or whatever they call it. Yeah, but

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it's also got like the the reflective insulation

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on the inside just all the time I Didn't see

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where that was Yeah, no, it's fully insulated

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dude all all the time whenever you put the sides

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down oh The doors the whole thing if I Didn't

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see that part from what I've seen on the inside

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of it. I didn't see that It's got the same type,

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like a safety blanket type. Oh gosh. It's the

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type of insulation they've got. So I'm not saying

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it's going to be like super warm, but it's enough

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that it reflects heat back at you. Oh yeah, OK.

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Yeah, he did drive over it with a tractor. Cool

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beans. Let's skip ahead here, so. You can really

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see if you skip to the part where he's got it

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floating on water. Yeah, no, I see he doesn't

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walk through the inside of it It's got like that

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reflective material. Yeah cool That's cool That's

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uh, and so this is kind of my option right now

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and this is what I'm thinking of but you know

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the hub for XL 10 From free spirit is also a

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very good -looking 10. It's It is insulated It's

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well thought out. There's a nice large door.

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When it's summertime, you could take these sides

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off of each one of these sides. They Velcro.

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You could pull all those off and just have a

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screen room. Um, and while we're here, uh, well,

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we're talking about tents that you're not getting

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that are sick. Uh, the apex, uh, Oh, what's it

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called? There's an apex stat and it's a eight

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or Eight by eight canopy with tents that can

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zipper around the outside so you can build like

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Full tent cities basically that are fully waterproofed

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That thing's really fucking sick Yeah, I have

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one I've wanted those for a long time because

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it would be so convenient like let's say we're

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winter camping right you Put two of the canopies

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together everybody gets their own tat You put

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them all around one wood stove in the middle

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The whole fucking thing is one. Yeah. Yep. Yeah,

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what is it? Apex Camp. It's a... Yeah, they have

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a whole cube system with like a pavilion type

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thing in the middle. It's cool. I think it would

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be a little much for solo, but this would be

00:16:24.629 --> 00:16:30.500
a cool idea if you had a family. I don't know

00:16:30.500 --> 00:16:32.779
if I'd want my friends that close to me either.

00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:38.559
Like, connected, like, five feet away. The way

00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:40.779
I look at it is you have, like, two or three

00:16:40.779 --> 00:16:43.679
canopies. It'd just be nice for the ability to

00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:47.200
run one heat source that could heat all of it.

00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:51.039
It's just resource saving, basically. Yeah, so

00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.559
that is really cool. The Free Spirit is one of

00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:56.879
them. What's the other one? Gazelle, we already

00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:58.659
talked about that. We're not doing that. And

00:16:58.659 --> 00:17:02.019
then... There's another one. It's called like

00:17:02.019 --> 00:17:04.579
space cube or some shit like that. I don't remember

00:17:04.579 --> 00:17:07.359
It's another style pop -up, but it's like they're

00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.119
like fourteen hundred dollars. They're fully

00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:14.859
insulated And they're very cool They're very

00:17:14.859 --> 00:17:17.880
similar to the free spirit ones But I'm not paying

00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:19.579
fourteen hundred dollars for a fucking ten either

00:17:19.579 --> 00:17:22.079
because that is at that point. We're just at

00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.640
rooftop tent range so right and This is just

00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.539
kind of like a preliminary thing There are a

00:17:29.539 --> 00:17:31.599
few different other pop -ups. Like there, there

00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:36.519
is the inflatable pop -up route. Um, but I'm

00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:39.680
looking for like high wind resistance and I'm

00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:41.859
honestly, it's like electric cars. Like I'm just

00:17:41.859 --> 00:17:45.619
not a believer yet to whether I, you know, like

00:17:45.619 --> 00:17:48.279
I haven't ever seen an inflatable before and

00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:50.940
I'd love to get my hands on one that says it

00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:54.019
can withstand the wind. So, but my fear with

00:17:54.019 --> 00:17:57.410
the inflatables are. Let's say you get out to

00:17:57.410 --> 00:17:59.349
go camping, right? You bring your tent with you.

00:17:59.630 --> 00:18:01.950
But for whatever reason, a mouse decided to get

00:18:01.950 --> 00:18:04.769
into it the night before and chewed a tiny little

00:18:04.769 --> 00:18:08.430
hole. Your whole trip's ruined. If a mouse chews

00:18:08.430 --> 00:18:10.450
through a normal tent, you can still put the

00:18:10.450 --> 00:18:12.289
tent up, maybe slap some duct tape on it, you're

00:18:12.289 --> 00:18:14.869
good. Yeah. So, one of them that I was looking

00:18:14.869 --> 00:18:17.589
at, Hemiplanet, and I just saw one for sale on

00:18:17.589 --> 00:18:19.750
Marketplace and I really wanted to get it. I

00:18:19.750 --> 00:18:22.609
saw it years ago when I started camping solo

00:18:22.609 --> 00:18:25.859
before I met Sienna. And it's a hemi -planet,

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and it's got a whole exo -inflatable skeleton

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to it. And those ones have, I think, one -way

00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:36.680
valves or something. So if there's a hole in

00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.779
one of them, it doesn't compromise the whole

00:18:39.779 --> 00:18:42.779
thing to leak. It just compromises that section,

00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:45.700
which obviously is still going to create some

00:18:45.700 --> 00:18:47.940
issue, but it doesn't collapse your whole tent.

00:18:49.059 --> 00:18:51.880
So it might give you a chance to patch it later.

00:18:53.360 --> 00:18:56.759
Um, what I do, what I do like about the inflatables

00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.200
though, is you get the ability to have like a

00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.660
cabin style tat that sets up fast, has lots of

00:19:03.660 --> 00:19:06.740
space without having all the downsides of a cabin

00:19:06.740 --> 00:19:09.900
style tat. Yeah. I mean, I mean, having the sticks

00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:12.000
and stuff like that is kind of a pain in the

00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:13.539
ass, especially when you're trying to put all

00:19:13.539 --> 00:19:17.380
these poles in. Um, so like having an inflatable

00:19:17.380 --> 00:19:22.400
one's cool, but One, most of the inflatable ones

00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:27.859
are pretty large. Which really isn't that big

00:19:27.859 --> 00:19:31.259
of a downside. Yeah, my thing is if they're large,

00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:35.720
they catch wind. And that's where I'm... And

00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:37.759
then footprint, right? Like footprint's a big

00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.700
thing. One of them I'm looking at, $319. It's

00:19:41.700 --> 00:19:45.400
a nice cabin, like A -frame style. And it's 9

00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:50.559
.8 feet long by 6 .4 feet wide. That's not that

00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:54.259
big. I think that's a big footprint to me. Like,

00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:58.700
there are a lot of spots that I camped on. You

00:19:58.700 --> 00:20:04.240
said nine by six? Yeah, it'd be almost 10 foot

00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.839
because it's 9 .8, so almost 10 foot. Okay, so

00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:11.099
it's six and a half feet. To put that in perspective,

00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:17.071
our $100 tent that we used for a couple years...

00:20:17.069 --> 00:20:22.690
That's double that size. It's 18 feet? Yes. It

00:20:22.690 --> 00:20:26.829
is not 18 feet long. The big tat? I don't think

00:20:26.829 --> 00:20:30.690
so, buddy. Our big $100 one? Okay, it's 17, but

00:20:30.690 --> 00:20:34.289
still, it's 16 .7. Are you sure? Yes. That's

00:20:34.289 --> 00:20:38.490
crazy. But I, for, I mean, all disclosure, I

00:20:38.490 --> 00:20:41.980
think that's way too big, too, but... Yeah, it's

00:20:41.980 --> 00:20:44.619
not, really size isn't that big of a deal if

00:20:44.619 --> 00:20:48.599
you're doing solo style trips. Yeah, I mean,

00:20:48.619 --> 00:20:53.480
I guess for me... You've had issues like a handful

00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.619
of times when you were out with MST. I've had

00:20:56.619 --> 00:21:01.619
issues quite a bit with finding good spots. At

00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:03.980
least where we find camp spots at, like we're

00:21:03.980 --> 00:21:08.240
not super picky, but we did find one spot, it

00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:12.910
was basically a quarry. And we had one spot for,

00:21:12.910 --> 00:21:16.009
or I'm sorry, two spots for an actual tent. One

00:21:16.009 --> 00:21:18.490
was really close to the water. The other one

00:21:18.490 --> 00:21:22.329
was on a moss patch and under the moss was rocks

00:21:22.329 --> 00:21:26.230
in the quarry. Um, the other spot, there was

00:21:26.230 --> 00:21:28.869
a lot of unlevel ground, like, and I'm talking

00:21:28.869 --> 00:21:33.190
like one to three foot difference. So it was

00:21:33.190 --> 00:21:35.569
really hard for us to find a patch that was just

00:21:35.569 --> 00:21:38.630
level and big enough for the sixth person. So

00:21:38.630 --> 00:21:41.289
we ended up going to the two person just because

00:21:41.289 --> 00:21:44.089
we did find one patch that was that. So like,

00:21:44.869 --> 00:21:48.230
I think if I make that my only tent that I have,

00:21:48.329 --> 00:21:51.410
that's a consideration that I need to think of.

00:21:53.029 --> 00:21:55.589
And the reality is, is I will be going on more

00:21:55.589 --> 00:21:59.029
trips like this. So it might be something I need

00:21:59.029 --> 00:22:02.490
to think of. Will I carry the two person with

00:22:02.490 --> 00:22:06.799
me just in case? Probably. I like to have it

00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:08.680
and it packs down small enough to that doesn't

00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:11.940
really hurt anything And I've had other people

00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:14.480
that want to come out and they don't have a tent

00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.680
like Hassan He said he didn't have the tent in

00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:19.559
one time. I'm like cool. I have a spare in my

00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:24.279
truck Why I have a spare tent. It's a small tent

00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:27.200
like I can it doesn't take up much space more

00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:32.339
than like a five pound tuba hamburger That's

00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:36.940
a good comparison. They're very close So, I don't

00:22:36.940 --> 00:22:39.539
know. It's like Lightfighter one size, but it's

00:22:39.539 --> 00:22:43.740
a two person. Yeah. So, I mean, like, no, it's

00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:46.240
not a big deal for Footprint, but for me, it's

00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:49.460
a consideration. That's just for me. And also,

00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:52.779
the one that we had, the Cortan, which is pretty

00:22:52.779 --> 00:22:56.039
similar in size, I would say, to yours. Yeah,

00:22:56.099 --> 00:23:01.759
your old one. It was just too big. Like, we felt...

00:23:01.549 --> 00:23:04.690
I don't know. It's odd to say, but we almost

00:23:04.690 --> 00:23:08.430
felt uneasy having all that space. Well, to be

00:23:08.430 --> 00:23:11.250
fair, the core set, you had it opened, like,

00:23:11.250 --> 00:23:14.809
the full size at first. You really should have

00:23:14.809 --> 00:23:17.609
the wall closed in. Yeah. Because that's supposed

00:23:17.609 --> 00:23:21.549
to be two tents. Yeah. And I wish I could have.

00:23:22.109 --> 00:23:24.329
The kid kept ripping them off, and he ended up

00:23:24.329 --> 00:23:26.630
ripping one of the tie -downs on it, just trying

00:23:26.630 --> 00:23:30.480
to pull it down. So... Yeah, that tent I'm just

00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:34.160
really was not I'm just gonna send this one.

00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:38.420
I just found to you. It's uh, I Seen those. Yeah,

00:23:38.900 --> 00:23:41.859
those are cool looking, but they look like fucking

00:23:41.859 --> 00:23:47.559
sales, dude it's Sales aren't that big of a deal

00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:51.319
if you ground guide them properly I mean look

00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:53.359
at what the army puts up dude. Those things are

00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.519
fucking massive. Yeah, and we'll we have those

00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.130
in like 70 to 100 mile an hour winds without

00:24:00.130 --> 00:24:01.869
a problem. But that's because we ground guide

00:24:01.869 --> 00:24:05.210
them down. I guess my issue is how much pressure

00:24:05.210 --> 00:24:09.250
can you put on inflatable rails, you know, like

00:24:09.250 --> 00:24:12.130
down pressure from the guide lines? How much

00:24:12.130 --> 00:24:16.809
can you put down without it giving? We've got

00:24:16.809 --> 00:24:19.410
Army tents that are inflatable that put up with

00:24:19.410 --> 00:24:21.890
crazy amounts of wind. Yeah, but is this up to

00:24:21.890 --> 00:24:25.500
that standard? I don't know. I'm just saying

00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:29.140
that it is possible. I'm sure. This thing is...

00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:31.920
This space capsule thing. It's cool. They don't

00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.079
even have a brand. It's so ugly. I think it looks

00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:41.119
cool. I don't know that it is... I would be worried.

00:24:41.299 --> 00:24:43.240
So, like, if you look at the front picture of

00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:47.400
it, the doorway, there's this massive overhang

00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:51.319
from what I would consider the rain fly, maybe.

00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:53.140
And then there's like a... Yeah, to collect water.

00:24:53.140 --> 00:24:56.130
Yeah. There's like a four inch gap between the

00:24:56.130 --> 00:24:59.390
actual door and all I can see is a fucking puddle

00:24:59.390 --> 00:25:02.930
to dip your feet in when you open the door This

00:25:02.930 --> 00:25:07.009
thing looks terrible Like I'm sure they're like

00:25:07.009 --> 00:25:08.750
if you're gonna make something like this why

00:25:08.750 --> 00:25:11.509
wouldn't you make it have an awning that pulls

00:25:11.509 --> 00:25:16.289
out that encloses like a Like the octagon style

00:25:16.289 --> 00:25:18.450
tents that would go straight down towards the

00:25:18.450 --> 00:25:22.049
ground To like push the rain off the sides and

00:25:22.049 --> 00:25:24.880
then you would have a festival that it would

00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:29.640
be more aerodynamic as well. So to this, this

00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:33.019
doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me. But

00:25:33.019 --> 00:25:36.400
it's cool. The other one that makes no sense

00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:38.579
to me, but I've been seeing all over the place,

00:25:38.619 --> 00:25:41.440
are the inflatable rooftop tents. Yeah. It's

00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:44.039
literally just an inflatable tent that you set

00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.259
on your roof and strap to your tires. What's

00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:48.519
the point? Yeah, I'm not about that either. I

00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:51.490
think that's silly. Like it can't be that much

00:25:51.490 --> 00:25:53.750
faster. It really can't than a regular rooftop

00:25:53.750 --> 00:25:57.970
tent or at that point just put it on the ground

00:25:57.970 --> 00:26:01.210
Which they do it's an option thing. I don't know

00:26:01.210 --> 00:26:03.690
and that's people do that There's no point at

00:26:03.690 --> 00:26:06.250
that point You lose all the functionality and

00:26:06.250 --> 00:26:09.470
reason and not that there's a ton But there is

00:26:09.470 --> 00:26:11.630
some functionality and reason to having a rooftop

00:26:11.630 --> 00:26:15.130
tent for some people So it does it just doesn't

00:26:15.130 --> 00:26:18.829
make sense to me And the only thing that it has

00:26:18.829 --> 00:26:20.890
that a normal ground tent doesn't is that you

00:26:20.890 --> 00:26:23.210
can easily level it with the vehicle. Right.

00:26:25.150 --> 00:26:28.069
Which is, I mean, really doesn't take that much

00:26:28.069 --> 00:26:33.589
more for you to just level a regular tent or

00:26:33.589 --> 00:26:37.549
rooftop tent either. So I mean, it's really not

00:26:37.549 --> 00:26:41.829
that it's just pointless. So yeah. So I mean,

00:26:41.910 --> 00:26:44.170
like a case is cool. And so like you might be

00:26:44.170 --> 00:26:47.460
asking like There are different style pop -ups.

00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.400
There are pop -ups with the legs, and that is

00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.220
kind of something like I don't think I want to

00:26:54.220 --> 00:26:57.160
go towards. The core was a similar style to that,

00:26:57.460 --> 00:27:00.700
and it was a pain in the ass. I don't like the

00:27:00.700 --> 00:27:02.839
ones where you like the core where you got to

00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:05.000
flip the leg down and then slide it up. Yeah,

00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.980
and then toggle it. There's just, look at all

00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:12.920
those extra moving parts too. Yeah, like my poo

00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.200
castle is like that, but it's small and it's

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.339
hand, you know, it's taller. Right. And once

00:27:18.339 --> 00:27:20.180
you get into something the size of the core,

00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:22.299
it was a pain in the ass. Oh, yeah, yeah. It

00:27:22.299 --> 00:27:28.480
was really kind of annoying. And having those

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.920
legs like, so we actually folded ours up after

00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:35.740
a heavy rain or it was a slight rain. and dirt

00:27:35.740 --> 00:27:38.220
and grit were already getting in the legs that

00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:40.299
were sliding and collapsing into themselves.

00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.220
You're already having a hard time just putting

00:27:42.220 --> 00:27:44.700
them in with all the dirt and grit and mud that

00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:47.960
was on the floor that fell all over the tent.

00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:52.420
And it was like, there was, I mean, granted for

00:27:52.420 --> 00:27:56.359
the gazelle, not much different, but all of those

00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.900
parts are on the inside of the tent. So they

00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:03.390
would collect that theoretically. instead of

00:28:03.390 --> 00:28:05.869
flipping and, like, collapsing the way that that

00:28:05.869 --> 00:28:08.269
one does, the gazelle just pops out with, like,

00:28:08.289 --> 00:28:10.529
a spring. Right. And it folds easier when you're

00:28:10.529 --> 00:28:12.650
folding it down. You don't have to, like, play

00:28:12.650 --> 00:28:15.470
with the direction of the legs like we did. We

00:28:15.470 --> 00:28:17.190
were trying to figure out, okay, how does this

00:28:17.190 --> 00:28:20.589
leg supposed to fold? Yeah. Nope, not supposed

00:28:20.589 --> 00:28:22.269
to fold that way. I'm pretty sure that's backwards.

00:28:22.869 --> 00:28:26.109
So, like, it was just more, like, and, yeah,

00:28:26.109 --> 00:28:27.549
I'm sure if we learned it, it would be a lot

00:28:27.549 --> 00:28:30.460
easier, but... That right there told us everything.

00:28:30.740 --> 00:28:32.960
And then the space, the fact that the kid tried

00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:40.299
to rip the partition. And to be fair, that partition

00:28:40.299 --> 00:28:43.059
was junk. Yeah, it was. Yeah. I mean, the partition's

00:28:43.059 --> 00:28:45.859
only held on by like nine points. There's like

00:28:45.859 --> 00:28:48.759
two on each side of the floor, one midsection,

00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:51.960
one towards the tops, and then the very top.

00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.200
And like if... If they had the partition built

00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.079
in rather than clip in, it would have been so

00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.799
much better. Or a zip, like a zipper. Yeah. Perfect,

00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:04.660
like zip it on, zip it off if you don't want

00:29:04.660 --> 00:29:07.579
it. Cool. And then have a zip in door. Not only

00:29:07.579 --> 00:29:09.940
that, the partition only had one door opening

00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:13.819
and it was right in the middle. And because of

00:29:13.819 --> 00:29:17.000
the way that it opened, you couldn't really just

00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:18.920
roll it back or anything the way that the tent

00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.359
was shaped. So there was no... The partition

00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.769
was... kind of useless. And it wouldn't work

00:29:24.769 --> 00:29:27.890
good as like a super well, like insulating factor

00:29:27.890 --> 00:29:31.009
either, because where you have them clipped in,

00:29:31.190 --> 00:29:35.029
there were gaps, like three inch gaps on every,

00:29:35.750 --> 00:29:40.170
like, yeah, it might help some air, but. I would

00:29:40.170 --> 00:29:44.269
give that core tent like a solid, uh, one season,

00:29:44.390 --> 00:29:47.470
like not even a multi -season. It was a one season

00:29:47.470 --> 00:29:50.009
time. It's cool for like camping at state parks

00:29:50.009 --> 00:29:53.390
for a weekend. Yep, and perfect. It's perfect

00:29:53.390 --> 00:29:56.930
in the summer. Yeah, perfect like no rain fly

00:29:56.930 --> 00:30:00.630
Now I would like if I was to score that tent

00:30:00.630 --> 00:30:03.210
out of one out of ten I would probably give it

00:30:03.210 --> 00:30:08.829
a four or a five and Yeah, because it's big it

00:30:08.829 --> 00:30:13.309
does work It is semi waterproof, but it's not

00:30:13.309 --> 00:30:16.190
torrential downpour proof We already had that

00:30:16.190 --> 00:30:18.990
issue it barely rained and we got water in it

00:30:18.990 --> 00:30:22.849
and dude The Veever pop -up gazebo is marked

00:30:22.849 --> 00:30:29.049
down to 150 right now. Yeah, that's nice. You

00:30:29.049 --> 00:30:30.730
should buy one of those just to make a second

00:30:30.730 --> 00:30:35.869
one to connect. So we actually, we did a trip,

00:30:36.690 --> 00:30:42.170
we did a trip to my grandpa's ranch back in August,

00:30:42.170 --> 00:30:45.490
I want to say. And we actually put, we popped

00:30:45.490 --> 00:30:48.490
the canopy up, the gazebo, and then we put the

00:30:48.490 --> 00:30:51.920
swag inside it. and then just rolled all the

00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.460
swag doors open. That way, I could sleep outside

00:30:55.460 --> 00:30:58.900
the swag on my cot. Kaylin and Jackson could

00:30:58.900 --> 00:31:01.900
sleep in the swag. But if I wanted to stay up

00:31:01.900 --> 00:31:03.960
later, she could close the swag up, and they

00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:05.680
could be in there without me bothering them.

00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:10.660
That worked really, really well. Yeah. Now...

00:31:10.430 --> 00:31:13.069
That's not gonna work for like an overland style

00:31:13.069 --> 00:31:15.269
trip. I'm not saying it's like an every, but

00:31:15.269 --> 00:31:17.549
for a trip where I'm setting up and staying for

00:31:17.549 --> 00:31:20.829
four days, it was more than perfect. Right, right.

00:31:22.329 --> 00:31:25.930
Yeah, I mean, I think the issue too, yeah, like

00:31:25.930 --> 00:31:28.049
I said, is time and effort going into making

00:31:28.049 --> 00:31:30.490
the tent. So like when Cian and I were building

00:31:30.490 --> 00:31:35.410
that tent out, the core, probably user, first

00:31:35.410 --> 00:31:38.769
time I ever put it together, it took... two people

00:31:38.769 --> 00:31:40.730
to figure this thing out two or three I think

00:31:40.730 --> 00:31:43.130
someone else I think Alex helped us put it back

00:31:43.130 --> 00:31:46.089
together um because he put it together originally

00:31:46.089 --> 00:31:49.049
and yeah I set it up and tore it down alone and

00:31:49.049 --> 00:31:52.369
it wasn't too bad right but and so like for me

00:31:52.369 --> 00:31:54.789
not knowing anything I was like dude what the

00:31:54.789 --> 00:31:57.029
fuck am I doing like yes I know these legs are

00:31:57.029 --> 00:32:00.369
supposed to extend um but then it was like going

00:32:00.369 --> 00:32:02.470
to each corner because of how big this thing

00:32:02.470 --> 00:32:04.829
was and pulling each corner out and then going

00:32:04.829 --> 00:32:07.349
back to each corner pulling it out it's just

00:32:07.349 --> 00:32:09.940
like Okay, I could have already been set up here

00:32:09.940 --> 00:32:13.940
with my dagger and And yes, you gain the space

00:32:13.940 --> 00:32:17.839
but man it was just not It just wasn't what I

00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.140
wanted it to be and what I thought it would be

00:32:21.140 --> 00:32:27.119
I guess Just wasn't it dude Like if you could

00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:32.099
find a teepee with a floor, right? like Because

00:32:32.099 --> 00:32:34.299
you can get, like, those five -person teepees.

00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:36.920
They're one pole. You stake them out and then

00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:40.119
put one pole in the middle. When it comes to

00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:43.460
ease of setup and quickness of setup for a ground

00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:45.940
tent, that's... You know, there's nothing better.

00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.079
I wouldn't mind that, except for the head space

00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:54.339
is very much just, like, in the middle. And then

00:32:54.339 --> 00:32:57.480
other... Which is... That's more than fine, because

00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.519
you put the beds around the outside. Right, right.

00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.650
And, uh... And then, otherwise, I think, again,

00:33:02.750 --> 00:33:05.309
just goes back to footprint. Like, it's a consideration

00:33:05.309 --> 00:33:09.170
if it's not the biggest thing, but it's what

00:33:09.170 --> 00:33:13.349
shies me away from that. It's smaller than your

00:33:13.349 --> 00:33:16.450
six -person. How big's your six -person? Uh,

00:33:16.450 --> 00:33:20.869
you know, I'm not sure. Six -person, I'm not

00:33:20.869 --> 00:33:24.769
super, like... Six -persons for, like, a three

00:33:24.769 --> 00:33:27.069
-day, I'm not super concerned with footprint

00:33:27.069 --> 00:33:32.339
as much. It's the overlay and style, um, tricks

00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:34.400
that we do where it's like, I want something

00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.059
that can do both comfortably. You just, you're

00:33:38.059 --> 00:33:40.000
not, you're not going to find that. You've got

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.119
to, you got to find a way to just, you know,

00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.980
cause no matter what you do, the Acacia and a

00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:48.319
TP are about the same size. TP is easier set

00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:52.220
up, but has no floor. Um. Well, and that's why

00:33:52.220 --> 00:33:54.240
I'm, that's why I'm searching like this. Like

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.829
I know I'm not going to find. the perfect tent,

00:33:58.049 --> 00:34:00.970
right? I know there's nothing in between, but

00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:04.930
I want to find the best thing that can check

00:34:04.930 --> 00:34:09.829
the boxes as much as I can. Like, I want a good

00:34:09.829 --> 00:34:13.230
footprint and easy setup, but I want to keep

00:34:13.230 --> 00:34:16.250
that footprint pretty minimal but comfortable.

00:34:16.409 --> 00:34:18.630
And it's like, it's really hard, and that's why

00:34:18.630 --> 00:34:20.789
I've gone back and forth with this, and that's

00:34:20.789 --> 00:34:23.469
why, like... I mean, that brings you down to

00:34:23.469 --> 00:34:25.980
swag territory, and that's it. Right. So that's

00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:28.820
like the foot, the footprint minimal goes down

00:34:28.820 --> 00:34:32.500
to like backpack style and swags. Like, yeah,

00:34:32.659 --> 00:34:35.619
it's, there's not much I could do there. Sienna

00:34:35.619 --> 00:34:37.880
would like to have something that she could stand

00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.539
up a little bit in. So that brings that, that

00:34:41.539 --> 00:34:45.480
changes things obviously. And then if you want

00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.739
something to stand up in and you want to be able

00:34:47.739 --> 00:34:49.719
to overland with it, that brings you down to

00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.360
teepees. Right. Teepees only in the middle, pop

00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:58.230
-ups and. Not even pop -ups. If you're worried

00:34:58.230 --> 00:35:01.869
about footprint, pop -ups are quite a bit bigger

00:35:01.869 --> 00:35:04.909
than a four -person teepee. Yeah, a four -person

00:35:04.909 --> 00:35:09.829
teepee, I would say, is just like a... It's got

00:35:09.829 --> 00:35:12.190
the same footprint as what, like, a gazelle would

00:35:12.190 --> 00:35:14.570
have. Like, a gazelle's footprint is not that

00:35:14.570 --> 00:35:17.690
big either. They're six by eight. Like, they're

00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:20.969
not very big. Yeah, but the issue is, is like,

00:35:21.010 --> 00:35:24.760
at that point, you have a teepee... the most

00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.119
headroom that you get is in the center, and then

00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.539
you have a gazelle -style tent, not, we're just

00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:32.780
saying that style tent before anyone's saying

00:35:32.780 --> 00:35:35.239
anything. Yeah, yeah, I gotcha. Where you have

00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.960
that all around. But then the gazelle takes up

00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.119
significantly more space in the truck. You're

00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.460
right. The gazelle isn't as good in the wind,

00:35:45.579 --> 00:35:47.860
the gazelle isn't as good in the rain. See, and

00:35:47.860 --> 00:35:50.880
that's, so I actually had, and I wanted to...

00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.619
Talk about that too actually because I've had

00:35:53.619 --> 00:35:57.579
people that have in the YouTube videos where

00:35:57.579 --> 00:36:00.860
they're in snowstorms and they got every corner

00:36:00.860 --> 00:36:04.039
of the gazelle every tie and guide out and They're

00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.159
like, yeah You can't even tell there's a windstorm

00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.380
other than the sound and then you have other

00:36:08.380 --> 00:36:10.559
people that are like they suck and I'm like Okay,

00:36:10.579 --> 00:36:14.239
so is this user error? Because I've I've watched

00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.179
videos of people in snowstorms or gazelles and

00:36:17.179 --> 00:36:19.650
they're like again if you if you ground guide

00:36:19.650 --> 00:36:21.989
a 10 out properly, it almost doesn't matter what

00:36:21.989 --> 00:36:25.250
its shape is. Right. But, and I'm not saying

00:36:25.250 --> 00:36:28.210
the Gazelle's bad in the windstorms, but a TP

00:36:28.210 --> 00:36:31.650
by design, by shape is better. Yeah, by aerodynamics,

00:36:31.789 --> 00:36:35.489
it's gonna be better than a giant wind sail like

00:36:35.489 --> 00:36:40.170
that, so. Dude, here's a TP with windows, with

00:36:40.170 --> 00:36:43.090
a floor, everything you would want. It's 10 by

00:36:43.090 --> 00:36:46.489
10, okay? A touch bigger than a Gazelle, but

00:36:46.489 --> 00:36:51.059
not unmanageable. For 200 bucks send link. I

00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:53.300
think I'd know which one you're talking about

00:36:53.300 --> 00:36:59.340
It's the guy gear Yeah, they guide your 10 bite

00:36:59.340 --> 00:37:02.980
yeah, so like now now we look at the outer frame

00:37:02.980 --> 00:37:06.579
of this and It's got the one pole in the middle

00:37:06.579 --> 00:37:09.679
and it's got a shit ton of guidelines on the

00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.960
outside But you only generally need the ones

00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.239
in the, at the top in the middle. The only time

00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.739
you need the side ones is if it's like a death

00:37:19.739 --> 00:37:24.199
storm. So you could easily get, and you might

00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:28.480
not even need to guide, guide rope it out. If

00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.619
it's, you know, if it's a nice July day, all

00:37:30.619 --> 00:37:33.179
you gotta do is pop the pole up and put the,

00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:37.420
the outside stakes in. Sure. Let's see. Let's

00:37:37.420 --> 00:37:40.400
see what kind of bathtub it's got. Doesn't look

00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.639
like it's got a bathtub, but... It's a floor.

00:37:44.739 --> 00:37:47.940
It's not necessarily a bathtub. It's like a one

00:37:47.940 --> 00:37:50.099
-inch bathtub. Yeah, I'd like to get like a two

00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:52.039
to three inch, but I'm sure there are some teepees

00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:56.139
like that. Let's look up some teepee tents here,

00:37:56.679 --> 00:38:00.719
guys. Teepee popper. Oh, that's a tee popper.

00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:03.980
Nope, never mind. I just want a teepee. I just

00:38:03.980 --> 00:38:07.519
want to see what's going on here. And like, a

00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.559
TP, you don't see a bunch of people use it, but

00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.699
in your situation, for the amount of space you

00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:15.659
have, it's almost perfect. Yeah, I guess. Because

00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:22.199
I mean, what the... Let's see... I... Where's

00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:26.599
the pack down size, like, shape? They don't really

00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:28.900
show it, because all you do is pop the pole down

00:38:28.900 --> 00:38:31.719
and then roll it into a tiny little... almost

00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:37.000
a stuff sack. Yeah. Yeah, the One Tigris, which

00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.199
I've heard some pretty decent stuff on One Tigris.

00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.260
They actually has a vent for a wood stove to

00:38:42.260 --> 00:38:45.699
hot tent. Correct. And that's something I've

00:38:45.699 --> 00:38:50.420
considered. Oh, this one does not have a floor.

00:38:52.099 --> 00:38:57.480
Most of the One Tigris is not going to. We want

00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:03.210
a floor. What is this one? Dome camp five to

00:39:03.210 --> 00:39:08.989
six season Yeah It's definitely a consideration,

00:39:09.110 --> 00:39:14.909
but I think I think I am looking I agree with

00:39:14.909 --> 00:39:18.050
you. I'm just saying like The teepee is gonna

00:39:18.050 --> 00:39:20.530
be the closest you're gonna get to an everything

00:39:20.530 --> 00:39:26.269
But that that guide gear one every picture is

00:39:26.269 --> 00:39:32.159
it full of water Oh, we got to go back. I go

00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:35.179
down. Go back, yeah. Look at the reviews, dude.

00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.659
Like, every picture in reviews, it's like, oh,

00:39:37.659 --> 00:39:39.679
this is such a nice tent. It's like out in the

00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.679
dry day. And then you get to anywhere where it's

00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.719
puddle. Puddle. Ooh. Puddle. Oh, god. Puddle.

00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:48.480
Yeah, see? And that's why you look at reviews.

00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.280
That's why we do this. And like, a lot of people

00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:53.039
were doing this episode. And a lot of people

00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.199
might be like, wow, this did not need to be an

00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.860
episode. But in a way, it kind of does. You could

00:39:56.860 --> 00:40:00.130
hear the. thought process and why I'm talking

00:40:00.130 --> 00:40:06.329
to Alex as an opposing force, because I do value

00:40:06.329 --> 00:40:10.510
having an opposing force to challenge my ways

00:40:10.510 --> 00:40:12.869
of thought, because usually I'll get set into

00:40:12.869 --> 00:40:16.710
something or a style, and I don't really want

00:40:16.710 --> 00:40:20.309
to get out of that. I'm pretty sure. So it's

00:40:20.309 --> 00:40:22.610
good to have someone oppose it. I don't know

00:40:22.610 --> 00:40:24.170
what we were even talking about earlier that

00:40:24.170 --> 00:40:26.469
I was just like, why don't we do this? And you

00:40:26.469 --> 00:40:30.369
were like, oh, yeah. I don't even know that I'm

00:40:30.369 --> 00:40:32.349
like opposing you per se, I'm just like trying

00:40:32.349 --> 00:40:34.230
to come up with other options that work for you.

00:40:34.250 --> 00:40:37.150
Right, challenging, opposing, like just another

00:40:37.150 --> 00:40:40.289
voice. I agree. I agree. The Acacia is probably

00:40:40.289 --> 00:40:42.750
the best thing you're going to find. Yeah, there's

00:40:42.750 --> 00:40:45.429
really not anything else out there around this

00:40:45.429 --> 00:40:49.809
price point that gives what the Acacia does that

00:40:49.809 --> 00:40:55.360
isn't the Gazelle. Here you go. $29 .99. You

00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.500
can get a survive tent that you just take a piece

00:40:58.500 --> 00:41:02.440
of string and you tie it to two trees and then

00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.940
drape it over like a tarp. Yeah. Everything you

00:41:05.940 --> 00:41:10.880
need. Yep. It's just... So yeah, this is the

00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:12.340
issue. This is why we're talking about it, guys.

00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.519
So, I mean, and going through this, it has kind

00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.619
of whittled things down and solidified my belief

00:41:21.619 --> 00:41:24.880
on it. Now, we could go to Temu. Let's go to

00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.159
Temu and see for the price point if we could

00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:31.420
find something better. So that's always a gamble

00:41:31.420 --> 00:41:36.320
obviously, but Let's see. I'm just I'm not I'm

00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:37.920
not done with the teepee thing I'm still gonna

00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.760
see if I can find one that you know, it's actually

00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:44.780
good cuz I want a teepee right like for me You

00:41:44.780 --> 00:41:48.360
know, I always I always dreamed of being in an

00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:53.130
old -style Native American teepee and just travel

00:41:53.130 --> 00:41:57.510
nomadically, but... I don't even have it for

00:41:57.510 --> 00:42:00.670
a design reason. I like the teepee style because

00:42:00.670 --> 00:42:03.889
when it comes to quick setup for a ground tent,

00:42:04.150 --> 00:42:06.929
you cannot beat the teepee, period. The swag

00:42:06.929 --> 00:42:09.909
gets close, but a teepee, it's one pole and four

00:42:09.909 --> 00:42:12.630
sticks, you know? Yeah, you just have your corner

00:42:12.630 --> 00:42:16.929
guides and your stake downs and the pole in the

00:42:16.929 --> 00:42:21.199
middle. Now in X like a modern TB with extendable

00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:23.739
metal pole would be a lot better than carrying

00:42:23.739 --> 00:42:27.380
around a fucking 12 foot pole Oh, I'm definitely

00:42:27.380 --> 00:42:29.519
only interested in ones that have an adjustable.

00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.280
Yeah Do you imagine just having to like strap

00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:37.400
that to the roof? Be like, oh, okay So and like

00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.280
there's a there's a lot of inflatable tents here.

00:42:40.340 --> 00:42:45.760
Holy shit Yeah, dude on ten. So there are Tps

00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:51.099
that have like these these Bug net with bathtub

00:42:51.099 --> 00:42:55.300
base inserts you can put in them But they only

00:42:55.300 --> 00:42:59.920
fit like one person on any side Find your let's

00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:04.320
not your fever campaign hundred and thirty common

00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.500
a Little bit cheaper there than on Amazon right

00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:11.860
now, right? So we got the fever. Look at that.

00:43:11.860 --> 00:43:15.829
You got a pop -up so I wish I could show you

00:43:15.829 --> 00:43:18.590
guys this but if you guys look up like a pop

00:43:18.590 --> 00:43:24.670
-up blind for hunting almost the 100 % like almost

00:43:24.670 --> 00:43:27.250
the exact same fucking thing as what a gazelle

00:43:27.250 --> 00:43:33.289
is like just like think about it same door style

00:43:33.289 --> 00:43:38.489
less windows maybe and it's camo like if anything

00:43:38.489 --> 00:43:41.800
camo is probably the better option to have While

00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:45.340
you're out camping special just wait just wait

00:43:45.340 --> 00:43:47.420
till gazelle comes out with the real tree the

00:43:47.420 --> 00:43:52.940
mossy It's literally like it'll be like my rhino

00:43:52.940 --> 00:43:55.280
180 where two of the sides are see -through.

00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:56.860
Yeah, you get people that are like reviewing

00:43:56.860 --> 00:44:00.480
they're like This is like this is a gazelle.

00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.780
This is a pop -up hunting shack And and the thing

00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:06.480
is is the price difference is the other big thing

00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.119
the for these same style pop -out hunting shacks

00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:16.320
you're looking at $70, $80 for the same thing,

00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:21.440
and just KMO. There's minor differences. The

00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.079
hunting blind ones have big doors that let more

00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:26.820
air in, and they're slideable, or big windows,

00:44:26.820 --> 00:44:31.860
I mean. So it's not quite the same as the tat,

00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:35.199
but it's minor fabric changes. That's all they

00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:41.289
do. Let's see here. I'm trying to find one that,

00:44:41.489 --> 00:44:45.389
I mean, they all seal pretty, pretty well, um,

00:44:45.530 --> 00:44:48.230
as far as like the hunting ones go. And I don't

00:44:48.230 --> 00:44:50.150
know why. I'm going to go back up here and try

00:44:50.150 --> 00:44:53.309
to change. So I have pop -up tent. Let's see.

00:44:53.389 --> 00:44:55.469
I'm going to go to four season tent and see what

00:44:55.469 --> 00:44:59.429
they do. I actually might've just found a pretty

00:44:59.429 --> 00:45:04.150
decent TV. All right. So we got four season tents.

00:45:04.250 --> 00:45:09.190
Look at that teepee, $175. It's a big one. Um,

00:45:09.530 --> 00:45:13.130
dude, that's the thing is TP's are, I just wish

00:45:13.130 --> 00:45:15.389
there was a way to get a TP with a decent floor.

00:45:15.650 --> 00:45:18.090
Like, why has that got to be so hard in 2025?

00:45:18.369 --> 00:45:20.190
Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard to get a bathtub.

00:45:20.329 --> 00:45:25.110
I think the, I think the way around that is the

00:45:25.110 --> 00:45:30.050
A -frame style tents. They usually come bathtubed,

00:45:30.050 --> 00:45:34.190
but they do have the slower, uh, slower times

00:45:34.190 --> 00:45:38.320
to... Whoa, that's, okay, that's weird. Yeah,

00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:40.900
they have all sorts of weird design tents here

00:45:40.900 --> 00:45:43.599
on Temu. Um, a lot of them are pretty common.

00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.820
The ones like the hiking tents. Oh, here we go.

00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:49.059
This is the, oh, I got to send this to you. So

00:45:49.059 --> 00:45:53.880
this is a, uh, hunting, fishing, all weather

00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.880
tent. Let me just copy this and send it in the

00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:04.539
chat. This is the same fucking thing pretty much.

00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.380
I'm sorry listeners that I'm not gonna put all

00:46:09.380 --> 00:46:12.440
these links in the show notes. It's a lot of

00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.780
work. This is on Temu. It's a heavy -duty all

00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:18.619
-weather fishing tent. Extreme cold weather,

00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.639
negative 22 Fahrenheit to negative 32 Fahrenheit.

00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.840
No pull set up. It's an Oxford cloth. This is

00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:28.519
the same style tent. I can't even look at it

00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.280
because I don't have Temu installed on anything.

00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:33.389
Oh, I just have it on my browser. I tried to

00:46:33.389 --> 00:46:35.150
pull it up on the browser, and it wants me to

00:46:35.150 --> 00:46:38.230
log in, but I don't... Oh, just click no. It

00:46:38.230 --> 00:46:41.190
tried to do that, too. I just said no, and I'm

00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:45.829
good. Where's no? I just click... Oh, my God.

00:46:46.909 --> 00:46:49.409
Now it needs me to slide to complete the puzzle.

00:46:50.989 --> 00:46:52.849
Yeah, I never had all that issues. I just went

00:46:52.849 --> 00:46:54.869
in. Here, let me just screenshot it. Oh, I'm

00:46:54.869 --> 00:46:56.889
in now. I'm in. I'm in. Did you get to the link?

00:46:57.909 --> 00:47:00.010
Dude, this is literally an ice shanny, but it's

00:47:00.010 --> 00:47:02.730
a gazelle ice shank. Right, so... So this is

00:47:02.730 --> 00:47:06.070
now made for cold weather. So what is that pod?

00:47:06.349 --> 00:47:11.829
It's like a space cube. It's a YouTube video

00:47:11.829 --> 00:47:14.849
that I was watching earlier. Shift cube. Shift

00:47:14.849 --> 00:47:24.150
cube. All right. Tent. Oh, and then the first

00:47:24.150 --> 00:47:27.889
suggested item under that for me is a woman's

00:47:27.889 --> 00:47:30.789
thong. And she's got a real nice boat tail going

00:47:30.789 --> 00:47:38.099
on. oh nice or maybe it's just the shift tent

00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:43.820
shift pod that's what it is all right so take

00:47:43.820 --> 00:47:45.579
a look at this now I'm gonna send you a link

00:47:45.579 --> 00:47:48.960
to this this is what I was talking about before

00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:53.760
tell me these two aren't pretty much the same

00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.920
fucking thing oh that's pretty much the exact

00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:01.090
this thing is fucking wild though Yeah, you look

00:48:01.090 --> 00:48:03.889
at the ShiftPod Rover. Look at that. They have

00:48:03.889 --> 00:48:11.269
a multi -cam edition. LOL. But you look at the

00:48:11.269 --> 00:48:13.769
prices on these. The ShiftPod X Rover, which

00:48:13.769 --> 00:48:16.989
would be probably the closest thing, almost identical

00:48:16.989 --> 00:48:26.349
in design and look to the new Temu version here.

00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:30.300
And it's got, like, a metallic reflective look

00:48:30.300 --> 00:48:33.179
instead of, like, a blackened... But it looks

00:48:33.179 --> 00:48:37.039
like it has the same hexagonal stitching on the

00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.760
outside. It's got... Dude, this shift pod, though,

00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.619
is sick. Oh, they're sick. Yeah. They've even

00:48:45.619 --> 00:48:50.420
got connectable tunnels. Mm -hmm. Yeah. Oh, God.

00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:57.199
All right. Six, $700 for the pod rover. 200 for

00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.920
the tunnels 200 for the tunnels, but you could

00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.639
put one diesel heater in there and being main

00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:07.219
boom I That's what I'm saying. Like these are

00:49:07.219 --> 00:49:09.900
actually like I can't think of a scenario where

00:49:09.900 --> 00:49:11.659
we would need this right? Maybe if we're doing

00:49:11.659 --> 00:49:17.119
like I Don't know a month -long Trip where we

00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.920
stay in the same campsite for the whole month

00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:24.780
For some reason right? It would be sick have

00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:27.880
like three or four tents linked together With

00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.900
like each of us have our own tent to sleep in

00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:33.039
we've got one tent that we can go to for like

00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.980
cooking and eating and games And we don't even

00:49:35.980 --> 00:49:38.179
have to go outside. Yeah, I would I would put

00:49:38.179 --> 00:49:42.599
this in like if we did like a week -long trip

00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:47.719
and to winter camping territory and And I mean

00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:51.000
winter camping like in like, North Dakota or

00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.460
like somewhere like lots of snow, shit ton of

00:49:53.460 --> 00:49:58.440
wind. Yeah, UP. But for like a week as a base

00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:02.179
camp. Like this would be a base camp style. So

00:50:02.179 --> 00:50:05.239
like for that, it's cool. I like the tunnel connector

00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.940
idea. You could definitely pipe in a diesel heater

00:50:07.940 --> 00:50:09.800
into the middle part of that tunnel connector.

00:50:10.099 --> 00:50:13.360
Dude, this thing would be so sick as like a house.

00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.250
Because think about it. No, no, think about this,

00:50:17.369 --> 00:50:20.269
right? So like, you're homeless, right? You scrape

00:50:20.269 --> 00:50:25.110
together $700, you buy this little shift pod

00:50:25.110 --> 00:50:28.929
thing, you scrape together another $700, so now

00:50:28.929 --> 00:50:30.969
you got two of them, and then you scrape together

00:50:30.969 --> 00:50:33.429
$200, and now you're... It's like the cheapest

00:50:33.429 --> 00:50:37.150
way to build a house, dude. For that price, you

00:50:37.150 --> 00:50:39.809
could probably buy a pole behind camper or a

00:50:39.809 --> 00:50:44.150
car to camp in. Just just putting this is bigger

00:50:44.150 --> 00:50:47.969
than a car so no no listen. I would live in this

00:50:47.969 --> 00:50:52.050
I'm sure you would I would live in it a for about

00:50:52.050 --> 00:50:54.369
a couple weeks before I'd probably get tired

00:50:54.369 --> 00:50:57.070
of living in this Because I'm sure there are

00:50:57.070 --> 00:51:00.590
plenty of drawbacks. I Could long term live in

00:51:00.590 --> 00:51:02.929
one of these with like a diesel heater in each

00:51:02.929 --> 00:51:06.690
room I mean, I lived in a carport. That was that

00:51:06.690 --> 00:51:10.920
thick -ass tarp in steel frame and But if I had

00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:12.880
a diesel heater, oh my god, I would have been

00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.820
living in luxury. I would have never left. I

00:51:15.820 --> 00:51:18.420
could not live in this with like my wife because

00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:20.219
she would bitch the whole time. Oh yeah. But

00:51:20.219 --> 00:51:22.579
me personally, I could do it. That would be,

00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.460
it'd be like luxury. Yeah, my fat ass, the door,

00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.980
you see the door? Depends on which one you're

00:51:28.980 --> 00:51:31.320
looking at. The ShiftPod X Rover. If you just

00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.960
hover over the picture of it, the door. Yeah,

00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.059
it's like a corn gazelle store. Yeah, I cannot

00:51:38.059 --> 00:51:41.440
I'd have to bend over and like go sideways To

00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:44.239
get in that fucking door. I'd catch all the snow

00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:46.940
and water on the outside with my ass And then

00:51:46.940 --> 00:51:49.840
I'd probably trip over them the little lip on

00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.539
the bottom like I've done before on a gazelle

00:51:52.539 --> 00:51:56.239
I'm just I'm good but this goes goes back to

00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.719
the point that if The link that I sent you same

00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.269
fucking thing I don't know. I love the shift

00:52:04.269 --> 00:52:06.210
pod. That might be my new favorite ton of it.

00:52:06.650 --> 00:52:09.170
You like it because of the tunnel, but I'm sure

00:52:09.170 --> 00:52:13.309
we could find some tunnels. I don't even just

00:52:13.309 --> 00:52:14.909
like it because of the tunnel. Like, it's just

00:52:14.909 --> 00:52:17.210
a... And when I say it's my favorite, I just

00:52:17.210 --> 00:52:19.489
mean it looks like a very well -built product

00:52:19.489 --> 00:52:22.510
that's pretty well thought out. But I don't like

00:52:22.510 --> 00:52:25.409
the fact that you're paying for that. And it

00:52:25.409 --> 00:52:28.269
does... I have no use for it, right? Like, it's

00:52:28.269 --> 00:52:32.579
really cool. I have no use for it. Hey, they

00:52:32.579 --> 00:52:37.480
make an all -weather little outdoor kitty kitty

00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:44.219
Like 23 bucks cat house insulated Yeah, I'm looking

00:52:44.219 --> 00:52:47.239
at just four season tents in general Just seeing

00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:49.199
what's out there because I'd like to see you

00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:51.500
get a four season something that if I wanted

00:52:51.500 --> 00:52:55.940
if I was like Yo, Gavin, it's January We're going

00:52:55.940 --> 00:52:58.460
camping. Like, even if it's just you, I want

00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:01.320
you to be able to go, you know? So for my own

00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.860
selfish needs, I'm trying to find it. You know

00:53:03.860 --> 00:53:07.599
what? I think that... I think that four season

00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.860
tents are somewhat negated by the use of a diesel

00:53:10.860 --> 00:53:15.139
heater as well. Like... Yes and no. Four season

00:53:15.139 --> 00:53:18.300
tent is gonna... Yeah, but a four season's gonna

00:53:18.300 --> 00:53:20.840
be way better even with a diesel heater. Yeah,

00:53:20.900 --> 00:53:23.199
and that's what I'm saying. Like, you have the

00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.769
extra insulation. And you have a couple different

00:53:26.769 --> 00:53:30.949
factors, I'm sure, with airflow and build. But

00:53:30.949 --> 00:53:34.070
if you were to pipe in a diesel heater into a

00:53:34.070 --> 00:53:36.730
three season versus a four season, I feel like

00:53:36.730 --> 00:53:39.489
you'd still be warm. I think it's just heat retention

00:53:39.489 --> 00:53:44.469
that would be the issue. But most diesel heaters

00:53:44.469 --> 00:53:46.690
are like eight kilowatt diesel heaters or five

00:53:46.690 --> 00:53:48.969
kilowatt diesel heaters. And if you're only pumping

00:53:48.969 --> 00:53:51.989
into that 110, it shouldn't be an issue anyway.

00:53:53.269 --> 00:53:57.190
Dude. The Outbreak 1550, the one that I have,

00:53:57.690 --> 00:54:04.190
is on sale for $470 right now. Swag? Yeah. Okay.

00:54:06.750 --> 00:54:10.389
You gotta get it through 23 .0 though, because

00:54:10.389 --> 00:54:12.489
I don't know if they're pulling out of the U

00:54:12.489 --> 00:54:14.409
.S. market or what, but it's hard to find them

00:54:14.409 --> 00:54:18.030
right now. You know, that's what I should look

00:54:18.030 --> 00:54:24.460
at. Oh, gosh. Let's look for swags. There are

00:54:24.460 --> 00:54:27.440
like I have not found one you gotta type swag

00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:33.059
tent on time. Yeah, that would probably Let's

00:54:33.059 --> 00:54:36.780
see, you know Swags for two people. They're not

00:54:36.780 --> 00:54:40.820
like the most common thing to begin with Because

00:54:40.820 --> 00:54:43.260
it's really kind of a one -person deal, right?

00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:48.300
But Once you get into the bigger ones, they are

00:54:48.300 --> 00:54:53.039
pretty great. Yeah Let's see. Let's do Let's

00:54:53.039 --> 00:55:00.199
do two person canvas two person canvas Sorry

00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:03.139
guys, my dad is texting me about our business

00:55:03.139 --> 00:55:05.440
and that's why you hear my phone going fucking

00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:12.039
crazy Yeah, still not much Look at that heated

00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:16.320
winter ice fishing tent. It's got bigger windows

00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:20.659
four hundred and forty seven dollars I really

00:55:23.469 --> 00:55:29.710
like This style of tattoo It's like your your

00:55:29.710 --> 00:55:33.989
kind of your traditional a -frame with a like

00:55:33.989 --> 00:55:36.110
Awning that can come off it that you can close

00:55:36.110 --> 00:55:38.929
down in heavy rain. Yeah, I do I I don't mind

00:55:38.929 --> 00:55:42.730
those and the footprint but again But but again,

00:55:42.730 --> 00:55:45.210
that's like pretty much a one -person time. Yeah,

00:55:45.269 --> 00:55:48.429
that's that's kind of where that goes I mean,

00:55:48.429 --> 00:55:51.030
there's a lot of cool stuff on Temu, the issue,

00:55:51.150 --> 00:55:54.170
and I wish we had spare money because I would

00:55:54.170 --> 00:55:57.590
love to do an episode of, this is our budget.

00:55:57.690 --> 00:56:02.909
Let's find the best tent for our budget on Temu

00:56:02.909 --> 00:56:05.710
or something. I mean, like, that would be cool.

00:56:05.829 --> 00:56:09.210
Oh, so here's a pop -up. Oh, this does not have

00:56:09.210 --> 00:56:13.710
a full rain fly. Oh, man. They really lucked

00:56:13.710 --> 00:56:15.869
out with that. If they did a full rain fly with

00:56:15.869 --> 00:56:18.119
this tent. This could have been this could have

00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:24.059
been good. Let's see So the other brand that

00:56:24.059 --> 00:56:28.360
oh My god, what is this? Is this the answer to

00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:36.599
all of Gavin's problems? Maybe maybe not Okay,

00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:38.980
so this is kind of like the core tent but it's

00:56:38.980 --> 00:56:41.699
a little bit smaller and folds up better a little

00:56:41.699 --> 00:56:47.960
more thought out How Is it still got those stupid

00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.940
poles, or is it the pop -out? Like, yes, but

00:56:51.940 --> 00:56:55.619
they're different. Are they internal? Hard to

00:56:55.619 --> 00:56:59.099
have an internal system, I'm sure. No, they're

00:56:59.099 --> 00:57:02.800
internal of the rain fly. Okay, I mean, yeah.

00:57:03.820 --> 00:57:08.179
I guess the other one was too, really. Not like

00:57:08.179 --> 00:57:13.920
this? See. Not like this. Fast frame. Pop -ups,

00:57:14.139 --> 00:57:18.380
thanks. All right. Let's check this out. I like

00:57:18.380 --> 00:57:22.280
the full round fly. Dude, I actually really like

00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:25.800
this tat. Like again, yes, it is that same kind

00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:28.940
of leg, but it looks so much easier to put up

00:57:28.940 --> 00:57:32.840
and down. Yeah. It does not look as bad. It doesn't

00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:35.960
give the height that I want, but sitting height

00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:39.280
isn't bad either. I mean, it's a little, you

00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:41.320
could stand up in this. You just have to bend

00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:45.219
over. Yeah. I mean, Does it give me height? 30,

00:57:45.340 --> 00:57:49.519
almost 31. And I don't think that's a thing for

00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:55.639
me anymore. Oh, well. Let's see. Cotts Tent Swags,

00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:01.139
let's do... Yeah, Cockadoo is another company.

00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:06.440
I know, it's their name. Sorry. They're working

00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:12.059
on coming in from Australia into the U .S. and...

00:58:12.059 --> 00:58:14.579
The products that they're coming out with, they're

00:58:14.579 --> 00:58:16.639
solid fucking products. Yeah, their two -person

00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:20.579
swag style is pretty similar. So I have one problem

00:58:20.579 --> 00:58:24.179
with the swag, their two -person swag, because

00:58:24.179 --> 00:58:26.699
this was the brand I was looking at before 23

00:58:26.699 --> 00:58:31.940
.0. Their swag is a three -po or three -hoop

00:58:31.940 --> 00:58:34.579
with a center pole. The problem I have with that

00:58:34.579 --> 00:58:37.179
is now I have to climb in a smaller doorway.

00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:43.010
Yeah. So it's not... You know, the whole point

00:58:43.010 --> 00:58:46.530
in going to the 23 -0 was having the nice, big,

00:58:46.530 --> 00:58:52.230
open door. Right. Yeah, now I'm just searching

00:58:52.230 --> 00:58:56.050
up hub -style pop -ups on Tenno. And because

00:58:56.050 --> 00:59:01.130
they're cool. Yeah, but like 90 % of it are Gazelle

00:59:01.130 --> 00:59:05.010
remakes or... Yeah. And they're all ice -fishing

00:59:05.010 --> 00:59:08.429
tents, which again, tells you, like... Dude,

00:59:08.429 --> 00:59:11.070
but that that fast frame from cockatoo that thing

00:59:11.070 --> 00:59:13.929
is fucking cool. Yeah, I really would like to

00:59:13.929 --> 00:59:16.869
stay away from that But I think that's like a

00:59:16.869 --> 00:59:22.570
number two contender Like other than the acacia

00:59:22.570 --> 00:59:25.269
The the problem with that one again is you don't

00:59:25.269 --> 00:59:28.329
have the standing space, right? It's it's only

00:59:28.329 --> 00:59:31.570
it's only about five foot tall. So you'd you'd

00:59:31.570 --> 00:59:34.730
have to bend over quite a bit, you know My neck

00:59:34.730 --> 00:59:38.349
would be like hurting. Yeah You're not going

00:59:38.349 --> 00:59:40.929
to stand up in this thing. Not a big deal, obviously.

00:59:42.150 --> 00:59:45.429
But for what it is, this thing is solid, dude.

00:59:45.650 --> 00:59:48.150
And it doesn't take up... Where was this when

00:59:48.150 --> 00:59:51.449
I bought my swag? Because this is $188. I totally

00:59:51.449 --> 00:59:52.829
would have bought this over the swag. Oh, for

00:59:52.829 --> 00:59:56.969
the price difference alone. It might have been

00:59:56.969 --> 01:00:00.909
worth it more. And now, don't get me wrong. The

01:00:00.909 --> 01:00:04.550
swag is a much better tank. It's actual canvas.

01:00:05.329 --> 01:00:09.519
It's... Um, like it's just overall. No, this

01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:13.980
one's like, uh, standard tent material. It does

01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:16.659
make it lighter though. And it might pack smallers,

01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.880
but it does. It packs way smaller, but you can't

01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.159
roll your, it doesn't come with bedding and it

01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.679
doesn't roll it. Yeah. You can't, you can't roll

01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:26.579
your bedding in it. Like you do a swag and it

01:00:26.579 --> 01:00:29.559
doesn't have a mattress like a swag, which is

01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.500
where, why I ended up going the swag route was

01:00:32.500 --> 01:00:37.369
that I got you know, more for my money. Um, but

01:00:37.369 --> 01:00:39.429
I really like, like, if I were looking for a

01:00:39.429 --> 01:00:42.510
tent, like that's, that is now high on my list.

01:00:42.570 --> 01:00:46.269
That thing is fucking sick. Yeah. There really

01:00:46.269 --> 01:00:49.510
isn't much, man. Like if you go outside of like

01:00:49.510 --> 01:00:52.750
Coleman's, you go outside of that typical, like

01:00:52.750 --> 01:00:55.809
crawling style back in a backpack tent. Yeah.

01:00:55.809 --> 01:00:57.809
And then you try to find something that's in

01:00:57.809 --> 01:01:02.889
the middle that isn't a giant cabin style tent.

01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:06.079
That isn't like one of those cheapo Coleman cabin

01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.820
style tents. There really isn't much in the middle

01:01:08.820 --> 01:01:12.960
and You have like the the gazelle styles and

01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:17.480
that's I mean, that's kind of it like and Don't

01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:20.699
get me wrong. There's if you're looking for single

01:01:20.699 --> 01:01:24.400
-person tents There's thousands. Yes, not right

01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:27.800
millions of options It's trying to find a tent

01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.840
that meets all the criteria for a family of three.

01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.420
Yeah a family of three um, decently warm, very

01:01:35.420 --> 01:01:39.519
waterproof, um, but good ventilation for summer,

01:01:39.659 --> 01:01:41.480
because, you know, we're looking for a four -season

01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:44.019
too, right? Like, it's not just for one season.

01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:48.059
Like, we could find a really good, easy, like,

01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.260
uh, one -season tent just fine. Yeah, the cot

01:01:51.260 --> 01:01:53.960
-style two -person, yeah, I've seen that. This,

01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:56.460
this cot could, like, I don't, I usually shy

01:01:56.460 --> 01:01:58.239
away from these cot -style tents, because they

01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:01.019
don't have very good rainflies. This one's rainfly

01:02:01.019 --> 01:02:03.489
goes all the way to the fucking ground. Yeah,

01:02:03.530 --> 01:02:06.570
which means that you've now got a vestibule all

01:02:06.570 --> 01:02:11.550
the way around like When I when I bought the

01:02:11.550 --> 01:02:14.750
swag these guys were they had a couple of swags

01:02:14.750 --> 01:02:17.110
on the market But they weren't like out there

01:02:17.110 --> 01:02:20.710
yet, right? Yeah Now they're fucking out there.

01:02:20.710 --> 01:02:24.670
They've got three or four options this side I

01:02:24.670 --> 01:02:26.230
Should have paid more attention to these guys

01:02:26.230 --> 01:02:28.030
because now I want one of these fucking contents.

01:02:28.070 --> 01:02:31.789
I literally just found the timing gazelle Like

01:02:31.789 --> 01:02:35.690
oh my god, literally and it's half the price.

01:02:36.590 --> 01:02:39.010
Oh It's literally the team of gazelle. No. Yeah.

01:02:39.090 --> 01:02:45.369
No, this is this is identical Like I okay in

01:02:45.369 --> 01:02:48.369
all honesty I'd be interested at that for two

01:02:48.369 --> 01:02:51.349
six two fifty six. That's a big fucking difference

01:02:51.349 --> 01:02:54.809
Like that's my problem with gazelle is price

01:02:54.809 --> 01:02:57.329
like once you get down to that price right there

01:02:57.329 --> 01:02:59.250
some of that's not a little bit more manageable,

01:02:59.309 --> 01:03:03.420
right like Yeah, like that's not ifs like the

01:03:03.420 --> 01:03:06.099
like the door and stuff like that doesn't become

01:03:06.099 --> 01:03:09.000
such a big problem when you get down into a lower

01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.179
price again to where you're like, okay, like

01:03:11.179 --> 01:03:16.000
it's a and At 250 it'd be even better if it works

01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:19.159
with some of gazelles like sold for gazelle options,

01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:21.940
right? Because gazelle has a lot of add -ons

01:03:21.940 --> 01:03:26.480
for these tents and if you could buy a tent That

01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:29.000
you know for half that and then just use gazelle

01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.719
options it it makes it a lot more intriguing

01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:34.300
Yeah, and I guess my other thing is too is like

01:03:34.300 --> 01:03:38.340
what is so different for gazelle? That all of

01:03:38.340 --> 01:03:40.840
these other like hunting hub style cabins have

01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:43.599
like what's at this point like what's the difference

01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:47.880
like are you ready? It's a floor window style

01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.280
yeah, and wind resistance all right because a

01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.170
hunting tech you know, the windows, they block

01:03:54.170 --> 01:03:56.829
some wind, but not all of it. Right. Whereas

01:03:56.829 --> 01:04:00.469
with, like, a gazelle, you can block 99 % of

01:04:00.469 --> 01:04:04.929
the wind. Yeah, it's just, uh, they have a winter

01:04:04.929 --> 01:04:07.889
sauna ice fishing tent. It's the same thing.

01:04:08.190 --> 01:04:10.469
This actually looks very close to the Free Spirit

01:04:10.469 --> 01:04:12.710
recreation one that we were looking at, the pods.

01:04:13.329 --> 01:04:18.989
So, I mean, would I spend $218 on a Temuun versus...

01:04:18.670 --> 01:04:21.449
something that like safer like Amazon, probably

01:04:21.449 --> 01:04:25.150
honestly. I've seen people have just as good

01:04:25.150 --> 01:04:29.449
as luck with Temu items than I have as with bad

01:04:29.449 --> 01:04:33.730
luck, right? Well, I mean, shit, look at my Temu

01:04:33.730 --> 01:04:37.750
pack, you know, easy pack down chairs. I'm not

01:04:37.750 --> 01:04:39.670
saying they're the best chair out there, but

01:04:39.670 --> 01:04:42.409
for the space issues I've had this year, they

01:04:42.409 --> 01:04:46.710
were great. And then I bought an $80 23 .01 and

01:04:46.710 --> 01:04:49.639
it was trash. And I guess this would be another

01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:51.579
thing, too, is when you're looking for tents,

01:04:52.619 --> 01:04:54.820
I don't think Temu should be ruled out either.

01:04:55.739 --> 01:04:58.940
I would say that. And to wrap this episode up

01:04:58.940 --> 01:05:02.380
a little bit, out of what we've found and what

01:05:02.380 --> 01:05:04.619
we've looked at today, Acacia is still my best

01:05:04.619 --> 01:05:07.619
option. And that's probably, if I do get one,

01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:12.659
that will be my choice, probably. And just to

01:05:12.659 --> 01:05:15.179
addendum what Gavin said, if you're buying a

01:05:15.179 --> 01:05:18.159
Temu tent, don't plan on using it anywhere where

01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:21.599
it's like life or death. Wow, yeah. And also,

01:05:21.619 --> 01:05:24.460
remember, anything you buy on Tmoo, there's probably

01:05:24.460 --> 01:05:27.420
no warranty on it. I'm going to champion that

01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:31.280
you buy an actual, at least semi -name brand

01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:34.260
product, right? Like something maybe off Amazon.

01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:36.500
If you're getting a Tmoo one, you just have to

01:05:36.500 --> 01:05:38.340
understand, if that thing breaks, there's no

01:05:38.340 --> 01:05:40.300
one to support. Yeah, you have no support. And

01:05:40.300 --> 01:05:43.679
a lot of the times, I think for a lot of consumers,

01:05:45.509 --> 01:05:47.650
And maybe it's getting, like, now that customer

01:05:47.650 --> 01:05:49.289
service is getting better with a lot of these

01:05:49.289 --> 01:05:51.809
products, this might change, but a lot of consumers

01:05:51.809 --> 01:05:54.590
just throw it away. Like, they know that it's

01:05:54.590 --> 01:05:57.610
not, like, that even from Amazon and stuff, getting

01:05:57.610 --> 01:05:59.550
ahold of some of these companies is, like, not

01:05:59.550 --> 01:06:02.929
even worth it. But, like... Yeah, but at $218,

01:06:03.289 --> 01:06:05.289
dude, I'd have a hard fucking time throwing it

01:06:05.289 --> 01:06:07.610
away. Oh, yeah. I mean, and I'm not suggesting

01:06:07.610 --> 01:06:10.230
you do that with a $218, but, like, I watched

01:06:10.230 --> 01:06:14.860
a video today. Guy bought a Temu... um, pop -up

01:06:14.860 --> 01:06:20.239
style 10 for the back of a Jeep, um, like, uh,

01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:25.380
YJ? Oh my God, dude, Cockadood just solved one

01:06:25.380 --> 01:06:28.460
of the problems I have with swags. And honestly,

01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.619
if they had had this when I bought my swag, I

01:06:30.619 --> 01:06:32.619
probably would have went with them. So they came

01:06:32.619 --> 01:06:35.920
out with an awning that can go between two swags.

01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:39.219
So like for us with the kid, right? He could

01:06:39.219 --> 01:06:41.559
have his own swag and then the awning connects

01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:44.719
to the... the two big swags. So it's like we're

01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:48.000
in a semi -similar tent. So he could be in his

01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.400
own space and give us more room. Right. And that's

01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:54.260
the thing, too. Of course, when my kid gets older,

01:06:55.219 --> 01:06:57.840
like seven, eight, something like that, starts

01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:59.340
getting more independent. I'm going to buy him

01:06:59.340 --> 01:07:03.280
just a little tent, see if he wants to be independent.

01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:09.500
Yeah. I actually wanted to get Jackson a 23 -0

01:07:09.500 --> 01:07:12.929
swag this year. for Christmas, but they pulled

01:07:12.929 --> 01:07:15.030
out of Amazon, and that's the only way I could

01:07:15.030 --> 01:07:16.929
have bought one. I think he, like, I don't know

01:07:16.929 --> 01:07:24.670
how clingy he is to you, but, like, Jasper, there's

01:07:24.670 --> 01:07:27.690
no way he's gonna be able to do that and pull

01:07:27.690 --> 01:07:30.550
probably, like, five or six, at least. Well,

01:07:30.690 --> 01:07:34.349
he's... Jaxxie's about to be five, so... But

01:07:34.349 --> 01:07:37.159
my thing is... I'd like to get him one now, and

01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:38.880
I want it to be a name brand tent, something

01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:41.440
I can trust, because I want him to be able to

01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:43.599
use this thing, like, you know, till he's, like,

01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:47.280
25. Right. Like, I want this, him to be, like,

01:07:47.500 --> 01:07:49.119
you know, in high school, and his buddies are

01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:50.900
like, yo, dude, let's go camping. He's like,

01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:53.340
bro, I got the best tent. You know what I mean?

01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:57.659
Yeah. So there you go, guys. You just watched

01:07:57.659 --> 01:08:00.760
us tent hunt and come up with pretty much the

01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:04.610
solution. that we had from the gigo. Right, but

01:08:04.610 --> 01:08:08.170
we enforced it. So we had a challenging, you

01:08:08.170 --> 01:08:10.230
know, an oppositional side to help us try to,

01:08:10.230 --> 01:08:13.570
like, talk us through it, which is Alex. It's

01:08:13.570 --> 01:08:15.849
always good to do that a little bit. It's always

01:08:15.849 --> 01:08:18.369
good to talk to friends and stuff, get some life

01:08:18.369 --> 01:08:21.529
experience out of it. That's basically what a

01:08:21.529 --> 01:08:23.369
lot of us have done with the Gazelle and why

01:08:23.369 --> 01:08:25.729
we haven't... pulled the trigger on those. We

01:08:25.729 --> 01:08:28.069
have a lot of life experience with it. We know

01:08:28.069 --> 01:08:30.869
the price. And we know a lot of the downfalls.

01:08:31.090 --> 01:08:33.350
There's just as many people, though, that say

01:08:33.350 --> 01:08:36.510
that the Gazelle is a stellar tent. They'll always

01:08:36.510 --> 01:08:40.010
use it. But for every good person, there's a

01:08:40.010 --> 01:08:42.750
bad person with it. But that's the thing. The

01:08:42.750 --> 01:08:45.909
Gazelle is a great tech. It is. I think if they

01:08:45.909 --> 01:08:50.689
handled their quality control and they maybe

01:08:50.689 --> 01:08:54.199
made a If they changed the door style a little

01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:58.760
bit and made it a little bit wider, a larger

01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:02.060
full -bodied rain fly and fix your quality control,

01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:05.779
I think right there, it would be perfect. And

01:09:05.779 --> 01:09:07.239
then that would be something that I would spend

01:09:07.239 --> 01:09:11.899
the money on. Hey, 23 .0 just put three different

01:09:11.899 --> 01:09:14.119
single -person swags on Amazon. Look at that,

01:09:14.180 --> 01:09:16.800
guys. All right. Well, thanks, guys, for joining

01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:20.449
in and listening in on our tent talk. And yeah,

01:09:20.670 --> 01:09:23.670
see what I did there? Tent talk? Like Ted Talk?

01:09:23.710 --> 01:09:26.310
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, see? Yeah. That was non

01:09:26.310 --> 01:09:29.590
-scripted. You're welcome. And we will see you

01:09:29.590 --> 01:09:32.050
guys later on the next one. Later.