WEBVTT 00:00:11.590 --> 00:00:14.710 Welcome to Botches Off Road. All right, that 00:00:14.710 --> 00:00:17.949 intro is kind of short. That's OK. We'll roll 00:00:17.949 --> 00:00:21.329 with it. Yeah, it's the tone. It's the tone, 00:00:21.829 --> 00:00:26.929 man. We'll get it. We'll figure something out. 00:00:26.929 --> 00:00:28.809 I'll get it right. I'll get it right. We'll get 00:00:28.809 --> 00:00:31.890 it right. We're ironing out the new year tone 00:00:31.890 --> 00:00:35.149 and the new year introduction. Yeah. So how about 00:00:35.149 --> 00:00:38.710 you send in some voicemails of what you think 00:00:38.710 --> 00:00:42.969 it should be? Because that was rough. That was 00:00:42.969 --> 00:00:47.570 pretty rough. I do like Chad GPD's suggestion. 00:00:47.950 --> 00:00:50.590 This is botches off -road. We break it so you 00:00:50.590 --> 00:00:54.070 don't have to. I'd rather that not be our slogan. 00:00:56.689 --> 00:00:59.530 It's super funny. I just don't want to have to 00:00:59.530 --> 00:01:02.670 be known for breaking everything. That's rough. 00:01:03.329 --> 00:01:07.109 Botches off -road. Bad lines, good times. Yeah, 00:01:07.450 --> 00:01:12.019 very much. Bad lines because Alex tells bad jokes, 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.900 but also takes the worst lines. I take the best 00:01:15.900 --> 00:01:20.079 lines. That's why he says, yep, sure. I take 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.420 the lines that look the most fun. And they're 00:01:22.420 --> 00:01:26.700 bad. No, they're good. They're just harder than 00:01:26.700 --> 00:01:34.060 your little soft incline. True. True, true. So 00:01:34.060 --> 00:01:38.120 what's the... Anyways. Is this our... Year in 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:43.120 recap our our Spotify wrapped of off -roading 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:46.719 If you want to call it that I'm thinking you 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:50.799 know if we take a half an hour or so Just talk 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:53.599 about our favorite moments of the last season 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:58.640 of season 2 Before that though we do have a voicemail. 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:04.150 All right We don't know this one Alex smiled 00:02:04.150 --> 00:02:06.090 a little bit because he could see a bit of the 00:02:06.090 --> 00:02:09.349 transcription on it So yeah, I don't know who 00:02:09.349 --> 00:02:12.550 sent it, but it's pretty funny. So I'll play 00:02:12.550 --> 00:02:17.009 it now Yeah, just listen to your last episode 00:02:17.009 --> 00:02:21.509 by the way your episodes are your your podcast 00:02:21.509 --> 00:02:25.849 is fantastic Gavin I have to disagree with you 00:02:25.849 --> 00:02:30.110 and I have to agree with Alex If you're forced 00:02:30.110 --> 00:02:33.569 to eat turkey the only way to do it is trash 00:02:33.569 --> 00:02:36.689 can style. That's all I had to say. You guys 00:02:36.689 --> 00:02:40.750 keep up the good work. Damn it. Damn it. All 00:02:40.750 --> 00:02:44.050 right. I don't know who that was. I still love 00:02:44.050 --> 00:02:48.870 you. But man. All right, so I guess Alex is going 00:02:48.870 --> 00:02:51.210 to have to make some trash can turkey for us. 00:02:51.990 --> 00:02:53.550 I think that's in the works. At this point, I'm 00:02:53.550 --> 00:02:55.370 going to have to. Yeah, I think it's in the works. 00:02:55.830 --> 00:03:00.500 We're going to have to do it. Oh, man. What after 00:03:00.500 --> 00:03:03.879 hearing that person's voice? I'm like 95 % sure 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:07.879 it's Joe Karen by the way probably okay? Make 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.819 sense I'm sitting here, and I'm like I'm like 00:03:10.819 --> 00:03:19.139 I bet Alex paid his dad to call me Tell me no, 00:03:19.139 --> 00:03:21.139 and I'm cool with that if you got anything you 00:03:21.139 --> 00:03:24.300 want to say that's funny Yeah, you know what 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:27.199 fine. I'll concede, but I have to try it first 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.469 cuz Telling you man. There's smoke. I'll have 00:03:29.469 --> 00:03:32.009 to make this that smoker turkey was the best 00:03:32.009 --> 00:03:35.430 turkey I've ever had so Maybe it's because they 00:03:35.430 --> 00:03:38.330 over seasoned it and I like overseas and food 00:03:38.330 --> 00:03:43.009 so I like to feel soon, you know So oh, you'll 00:03:43.009 --> 00:03:45.030 like my chili. Hopefully it turned out good. 00:03:45.030 --> 00:03:47.490 I need your chili on the fucking trail. Are you 00:03:47.490 --> 00:03:51.330 crazy? I'll try a couple bites Yeah, dude, you 00:03:51.330 --> 00:03:54.789 don't do who you don't do trail chili, dude Hey, 00:03:55.169 --> 00:03:58.389 we're doing trail Hey, you ready to poop, Alice? 00:03:58.750 --> 00:04:02.270 Yeah, no kidding, dude. Oh. Don't plan on it. 00:04:02.469 --> 00:04:04.949 And I'll be taking a modium right before I do 00:04:04.949 --> 00:04:07.870 this trip, too, because there is nowhere. That's 00:04:07.870 --> 00:04:11.310 my plan. Nowhere to poop on in this area, except 00:04:11.310 --> 00:04:14.310 in the woods. Yeah, there is. There's literally 00:04:14.310 --> 00:04:19.810 a shithouse. Where? Two of them. Where? At the 00:04:19.810 --> 00:04:22.209 trailhead. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I don't really 00:04:22.209 --> 00:04:24.389 want to try. I ain't going to make it back to 00:04:24.389 --> 00:04:27.410 that. I don't know how you guys do it, but once 00:04:27.410 --> 00:04:30.449 I feel it, it's time. There isn't no... There 00:04:30.449 --> 00:04:33.649 isn't no, yeah, just hold it and go. Alex just 00:04:33.649 --> 00:04:37.410 leaves us in the dust. Yeah. Yeah. I just take 00:04:37.410 --> 00:04:40.250 off, leave everyone behind. That's happened more 00:04:40.250 --> 00:04:41.810 than a handful of times. Those trails are anything 00:04:41.810 --> 00:04:44.350 like they were last year. I ain't driving fast 00:04:44.350 --> 00:04:49.670 and I'm a need to. Well, was it a third gen weekend? 00:04:49.709 --> 00:04:52.269 I was doing like 65 on the way back to camp. 00:04:53.490 --> 00:04:56.970 You're through the trails. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm 00:04:56.970 --> 00:05:01.069 good. But yeah, well, get off the poo topic, 00:05:01.129 --> 00:05:04.110 because we've had plenty of those. All right, 00:05:04.110 --> 00:05:06.089 let's get into our - Well, that's - Yeah, let's 00:05:06.089 --> 00:05:10.269 get into our year. That's the best moments of 00:05:10.269 --> 00:05:13.329 season two is all the poo talk. Speaking of, 00:05:13.350 --> 00:05:15.990 I made a lot of improvements this year on my 00:05:15.990 --> 00:05:19.310 poo palace. Since we want to just keep it up, 00:05:19.829 --> 00:05:26.069 we went from - Sitting on a bucket with a kind 00:05:26.069 --> 00:05:29.350 of a pool noodle or the net pool noodles the 00:05:29.350 --> 00:05:32.589 the clip -on seats That you could buy from Walmart. 00:05:32.930 --> 00:05:36.689 Yeah, I Did those are trail one for a few not 00:05:36.689 --> 00:05:38.769 gonna lie. I'm a big dude and trying to reach 00:05:38.769 --> 00:05:42.629 my hand in there It's just not look man. I'm 00:05:42.629 --> 00:05:44.129 trying to be honest with you. If you're a big 00:05:44.129 --> 00:05:47.250 guy those things don't work You need something 00:05:47.250 --> 00:05:51.329 that's got a large bowl so you could reach Are 00:05:51.329 --> 00:05:55.329 you ready to hear what our poo are? We'll call 00:05:55.329 --> 00:05:58.189 it a poo shack what our poo shack was for our 00:05:58.189 --> 00:06:02.250 first overland trip. Oh is it a tarp over it 00:06:02.250 --> 00:06:06.129 was a five gallon bucket with the bottom cut 00:06:06.129 --> 00:06:11.509 off and a Walmart Ozark trail bat but uh Lid 00:06:11.509 --> 00:06:15.170 yep, but you have the bottom cut off So we could 00:06:15.170 --> 00:06:19.939 dig a hole poop in it and barrier. I think everybody's 00:06:19.939 --> 00:06:22.620 got really bad stories about some of their first 00:06:22.620 --> 00:06:26.300 poops camping. I am one of them that has more 00:06:26.300 --> 00:06:30.459 than one with IBS, but we didn't we didn't even 00:06:30.459 --> 00:06:33.279 bring a shelter for it. We just put it off in 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.360 the woods behind a tree. I've got a few of the 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:38.060 campers we go with. I'm walking in and I see 00:06:38.060 --> 00:06:40.480 them shitting out there without a shelter and 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.939 their little bucket. I'm like, all right, turn 00:06:42.939 --> 00:06:45.079 it around. Didn't know that's where you were 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.350 going, but. But yeah, no, we made a lot of improvements 00:06:48.350 --> 00:06:51.050 on that, both of us, as a group, I think we all 00:06:51.050 --> 00:06:55.110 have. I went from the bucket, which was extremely 00:06:55.110 --> 00:06:59.910 uncomfortable, hard to pack away, to safe space 00:06:59.910 --> 00:07:03.949 and everything, and just kind of an overall pain, 00:07:04.410 --> 00:07:09.649 to we started using, I don't know, one of these 00:07:09.649 --> 00:07:12.110 cheap, it was like a metal with a used style 00:07:12.110 --> 00:07:17.199 toilet seat, and that was a lot better. For the 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:19.959 general purpose. It's been really strong. I keep 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.920 it in my little trash panda bag in the back whatever 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:26.680 you call them trash Roo and That's been great. 00:07:26.939 --> 00:07:31.100 We use some kitty litter or some of the absorption 00:07:31.100 --> 00:07:36.420 pellets now That was probably one of my finer 00:07:36.420 --> 00:07:39.639 Enhancements honestly as far as quality of life 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:45.639 goes on on my last year Yeah, and then you also 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.819 Originally, you were using that with your pull 00:07:49.819 --> 00:07:51.620 -out thing on the side of the truck. Yeah, my 00:07:51.620 --> 00:07:57.079 pop -out. Now you've got a quick pop -up little 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.220 outhouse thing. Yeah, which is really nice. So 00:07:59.220 --> 00:08:02.300 if I'm camping with a group of people, I can 00:08:02.300 --> 00:08:06.819 use the separate pop -up to just go pop it up 00:08:06.819 --> 00:08:08.600 in the woods. It's away from everyone. They don't 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.959 have to smell it, hear it, whatever. When we're 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.769 solo, I use the other one. Um, because it's right 00:08:14.769 --> 00:08:18.310 there. I don't care. Um, and we still use that 00:08:18.310 --> 00:08:21.430 actually quite a bit for like changing. Um, you 00:08:21.430 --> 00:08:24.129 know, it just in general, it's nice to have it's 00:08:24.129 --> 00:08:29.970 not needed, but it's nice to have. Yeah. I, I 00:08:29.970 --> 00:08:32.129 originally had bought one of those quick pop 00:08:32.129 --> 00:08:35.409 -up like circle ones, like what you have. And 00:08:35.409 --> 00:08:38.940 I Used it once and then I hated it. So I threw 00:08:38.940 --> 00:08:41.620 it away if I'd known that Gavin was then gonna 00:08:41.620 --> 00:08:43.779 immediately buy one I would have given it to 00:08:43.779 --> 00:08:50.659 him But I bought a It's kind of like it's more 00:08:50.659 --> 00:08:54.620 like a shower that I Mean, they're all shower 00:08:54.620 --> 00:08:56.940 tents technically, but it's like this one was 00:08:56.940 --> 00:09:00.000 built way better than that one this one Yeah, 00:09:00.100 --> 00:09:03.830 this one has actual actual poles, and you just 00:09:03.830 --> 00:09:05.870 like flip the poles down and slide them out. 00:09:05.950 --> 00:09:07.850 It's built like the core tents, if you've ever 00:09:07.850 --> 00:09:11.450 seen the core tent. Yeah. The external poles 00:09:11.450 --> 00:09:14.169 out there. So very similar to that construction. 00:09:15.470 --> 00:09:18.549 Which is fine in a tent that size. I think once 00:09:18.549 --> 00:09:20.629 you get to the bigger tents, it's a pain in the 00:09:20.629 --> 00:09:23.370 ass. But with that little one, it takes me like 00:09:23.370 --> 00:09:26.289 a minute to set it up with a toilet ready to 00:09:26.289 --> 00:09:29.090 go. Like, it's not a problem. Yeah. I know lights. 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:33.679 Yeah, and ventilates like crazy. Mine is really 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.340 nice because it has like three windows on each 00:09:37.340 --> 00:09:42.080 side. So it ventilates really well, but major 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:44.500 improvements on that. What about cooking? We 00:09:44.500 --> 00:09:46.840 had some major improvements on cooking all in 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.320 general in 2025. We've done a lot really. Our 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.299 whole setup has changed drastically. We have 00:09:54.299 --> 00:09:59.019 rebuilt the packout kitchen. It is now, instead 00:09:59.019 --> 00:10:04.409 of needing two sets of drawers and a foot, it 00:10:04.409 --> 00:10:09.289 now only takes one set of two drawers, which 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:14.090 is a much smaller package. I mean, it fits in 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:17.950 my truck, and I have no room as it is. And then 00:10:17.950 --> 00:10:22.350 we built those... Basically took plywood and 00:10:22.350 --> 00:10:25.330 two by fours and built a platform over our cargo 00:10:25.330 --> 00:10:28.870 space So we could slide a like Walmart pop -up 00:10:28.870 --> 00:10:31.370 table into it Yeah, so you can use it as a counter 00:10:31.370 --> 00:10:33.450 You know pull it out a little use it as a counter 00:10:33.450 --> 00:10:36.769 pull it out all the way set it up as a table 00:10:36.769 --> 00:10:39.870 That's phenomenal. That's the best idea I've 00:10:39.870 --> 00:10:42.690 ever had about so that is like the best idea 00:10:42.690 --> 00:10:45.450 of you we've come up with just a pullout table 00:10:45.450 --> 00:10:48.990 that doubles as a pull out table for working 00:10:48.990 --> 00:10:51.549 on the vehicle. And the best part is, saying 00:10:51.549 --> 00:10:54.289 the best part is the total cost, like my plywood 00:10:54.289 --> 00:10:56.590 and everything was scrap wood from building a 00:10:56.590 --> 00:11:00.330 turkey barn. And the pullout table, I mean, mine, 00:11:00.570 --> 00:11:03.090 my old roommate left it behind, but you can get 00:11:03.090 --> 00:11:06.809 them at Walmart for like 40 bucks. Yeah. Yeah, 00:11:07.110 --> 00:11:08.309 that's true. Depending what size you're looking 00:11:08.309 --> 00:11:11.809 at. Yeah. I'm working on a new one for 2026. 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:16.100 And I'm really excited. I hope it works. The 00:11:16.100 --> 00:11:19.940 filing cabinet drawers. I'm really excited for 00:11:19.940 --> 00:11:22.320 those, dude. I think the one that I did get, 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.759 it's like this. So it would go perfect as one 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.620 of the top ones. And for everybody who didn't 00:11:30.620 --> 00:11:34.039 see that, let's just say it's like eight inches 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:40.190 tall, 24 inches wide. Yeah, it's gonna go good. 00:11:40.190 --> 00:11:42.889 It doesn't make any like sounds or rattling or 00:11:42.889 --> 00:11:45.529 anything like that but I still want to like throw 00:11:45.529 --> 00:11:48.750 some sound deadening in the Bottom of it. It's 00:11:48.750 --> 00:11:50.610 gonna be really cool. It's gonna be some of the 00:11:50.610 --> 00:11:52.850 I think I'm gonna rip out everything in the back 00:11:52.850 --> 00:11:58.029 and and then take the seats out and Then redo 00:11:58.029 --> 00:12:00.769 it from there. So that'll be fun. But I mean 00:12:00.769 --> 00:12:05.110 my 2025 setup has been great. Honestly, I The 00:12:05.110 --> 00:12:07.149 only reason I'm changing it is because I can 00:12:07.970 --> 00:12:12.690 And I love efficiency and as we start doing this 00:12:12.690 --> 00:12:14.730 more, I accumulate more stuff and I want to be 00:12:14.730 --> 00:12:17.330 more organized. But this last year has been pretty 00:12:17.330 --> 00:12:20.009 good for me. We, you know, I got my fold down 00:12:20.009 --> 00:12:21.970 table. I've had that now for a couple of years, 00:12:22.129 --> 00:12:25.629 did some enhancements there, added some new drawers 00:12:25.629 --> 00:12:28.889 and stuff. So I was pretty well set out for what 00:12:28.889 --> 00:12:34.570 I do. Fridge, stove, propane tanks inside. I 00:12:34.570 --> 00:12:38.220 now have that mounted outside. I think the only 00:12:38.220 --> 00:12:40.240 time I'll ever put that inside is if I get to 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.720 a risky area I'm worried about someone just cutting 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:47.159 it out to get it. Yeah, so Man if someone's willing 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.519 to cut your propane tank out though, like they're 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:51.419 committed because that's dangerous. No. Yeah, 00:12:51.419 --> 00:12:55.440 just by strap Yeah, cuz it's just around those 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:57.440 that's dangerous. It's dangerous if they're doing 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:00.620 it to me I will literally just ran my truck into 00:13:00.620 --> 00:13:04.379 theirs, but Which brings me to the point where 00:13:04.379 --> 00:13:09.419 I need a steel bumper so I would be doing reverse 00:13:09.419 --> 00:13:14.340 into their vehicle, so whoopsies. What was your 00:13:14.340 --> 00:13:20.399 favorite trip of 2025? For me, I would have to 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.940 say the West UP trip. That was a large, that 00:13:24.940 --> 00:13:29.200 was like a six, seven day trip. And we checked 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.799 off some of my biggest Michigan bucket list items. 00:13:32.860 --> 00:13:36.700 And then some I didn't really know about. and 00:13:36.700 --> 00:13:40.940 in seven days. And it was, I would say the driving 00:13:40.940 --> 00:13:44.720 part, you know, the trails weren't really all 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:47.240 that I would have wanted them to be, but the 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:51.200 experience and the people that we did them with 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.779 and the sites, the kid was old enough to kind 00:13:54.779 --> 00:13:57.080 of know what he was looking at too, so he was 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:01.700 like at awe at Porcupine Mountains. That was 00:14:01.700 --> 00:14:04.220 my favorite. Favorite watching him just play 00:14:04.220 --> 00:14:07.220 on a beach without having to, you know, worry 00:14:07.220 --> 00:14:10.960 about strangers or anything like that. It was, 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.659 it was by far my favorite trip. I think that 00:14:13.659 --> 00:14:18.919 I've done at all, um, in general, I think just 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:23.259 scenery experiences. Um, I didn't have any serious 00:14:23.259 --> 00:14:26.379 mechanical issues and that was also the longest 00:14:26.379 --> 00:14:30.440 trip, um, in distance and time that I've been 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:34.120 gone. with the family. So yeah, absolutely love 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:39.000 it. What about you, Mark? Uh, despite the headcovers, 00:14:39.100 --> 00:14:43.460 I think Leatherwood was my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. 00:14:43.779 --> 00:14:46.440 Despite having to replace my radiator and dealing 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:51.059 with all the headaches of it. In terms of wheeling, 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.120 Leatherwood was by far my favorite. But in terms 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:57.879 of total trip, Benji's Friendsgiving was my favorite. 00:14:58.179 --> 00:15:00.940 Yeah, I really wish I could have went into that. 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:05.179 I always regret it like crazy, but I should have 00:15:05.179 --> 00:15:07.379 been able to try and scoot in with one of you 00:15:07.379 --> 00:15:10.139 guys, but it was just too close to the kid's 00:15:10.139 --> 00:15:12.460 birthday. I'll have to really figure it out and 00:15:12.460 --> 00:15:15.700 plan it out next time. It's just, it's three 00:15:15.700 --> 00:15:19.259 days, three days past, and spent all the money 00:15:19.259 --> 00:15:24.070 we could on his birthday, so. That is... Like, 00:15:24.210 --> 00:15:27.210 hands down, that's the best trip we do, and we're 00:15:27.210 --> 00:15:29.070 gonna continue to do it every year. Oh, yeah. 00:15:29.990 --> 00:15:33.830 Yeah. It just... The people... And I'm not saying 00:15:33.830 --> 00:15:36.970 that the overlanders in Michigan are bad by any 00:15:36.970 --> 00:15:39.490 means, but it's a whole nother thing when you 00:15:39.490 --> 00:15:41.029 get out there and you're hanging out with people 00:15:41.029 --> 00:15:44.269 that, you know, there's less drama. Yeah. That's 00:15:44.269 --> 00:15:46.330 the big thing. There's just so much less drama. 00:15:47.009 --> 00:15:53.330 Yeah, I just... Honestly... Again, not to dog 00:15:53.330 --> 00:15:56.190 on anyone in Michigan, but the West has more 00:15:56.190 --> 00:15:59.629 to offer. Plain and simple as far as everything 00:15:59.629 --> 00:16:06.769 goes. The higher quality, I would say, environment, 00:16:07.429 --> 00:16:15.269 but also you have more professional, more creators. 00:16:16.029 --> 00:16:20.860 For me, that's a big asset for trying to... talk 00:16:20.860 --> 00:16:23.740 to people, get ideas to go out and do it with 00:16:23.740 --> 00:16:26.759 them and see how they do things. And there's 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.960 not really, there's not really any Michigan overlanders, 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.600 except one or two, like, you know, like trail 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:38.320 expedition and stuff. But like, still, there's 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.659 not really much, you know, to go out and then 00:16:40.659 --> 00:16:42.620 talk with them all night and just hang out. I 00:16:42.620 --> 00:16:45.419 feel like there's a lot more of that out West 00:16:45.419 --> 00:16:47.200 that I could really get along with some of those 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:50.919 people. And I think I would. I honestly really 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:54.019 enjoy the friendships, but that's one of my bigger 00:16:54.019 --> 00:16:57.360 reasons for wanting to move west, but other than 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:02.840 scenery. Yeah, I don't know, man. It's just Benji 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.480 always puts on such a good show, and the group 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.019 of people that he gets together, they're always 00:17:08.019 --> 00:17:11.200 so down -to -earth and fun to be around. Like, 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:13.859 legitimately fun. Not just, I'm enjoying what 00:17:13.859 --> 00:17:15.519 I'm doing, so I'm putting up with them. Like, 00:17:15.539 --> 00:17:20.349 it's legitimately a good time. Yeah. Plus, you 00:17:20.349 --> 00:17:22.910 know, we get to see Charlie, and Charlie's pretty 00:17:22.910 --> 00:17:28.650 cool, so... Yeah. Is that Benji's dog? No, Charlie 00:17:28.650 --> 00:17:32.690 is Charlie Rasinowski, outskirts overland. Sorry, 00:17:32.930 --> 00:17:35.990 Charlie. It just, we were talking about Benji, 00:17:36.150 --> 00:17:37.950 and then we went straight to a Charlie, and I'm 00:17:37.950 --> 00:17:40.329 like, that sounds like it could be, like, one 00:17:40.329 --> 00:17:42.430 of Benji's little dogs or something. Like, that's 00:17:42.430 --> 00:17:45.470 something that Alex would say. No, Charlie's 00:17:45.470 --> 00:17:49.349 just, like... He's one of my favorite people 00:17:49.349 --> 00:17:53.789 because he has done pretty much anything you 00:17:53.789 --> 00:17:56.089 could think of. He's figured out the right way 00:17:56.089 --> 00:17:58.950 to do everything, and he's just someone you can 00:17:58.950 --> 00:18:00.849 sit and talk to, and he'll tell you why this 00:18:00.849 --> 00:18:03.470 is the right way and why it works that way. Yep. 00:18:03.869 --> 00:18:05.450 Yeah, that's really cool. It's really cool to 00:18:05.450 --> 00:18:08.049 have that knowledge base, too. I would also say 00:18:08.049 --> 00:18:12.650 the knowledge base for Michigan -based overlanding. 00:18:13.849 --> 00:18:16.890 If you're talking to a Michigan... uh, resident 00:18:16.890 --> 00:18:22.210 is cool, but like, it's limited. You know, the 00:18:22.210 --> 00:18:24.750 stories are limited. I like hearing stories. 00:18:24.869 --> 00:18:28.509 I like hearing, you know, all the, all the cool 00:18:28.509 --> 00:18:32.190 stuff and all the stuff you had to do to prep 00:18:32.190 --> 00:18:34.950 and the gear that you need because you need it. 00:18:35.690 --> 00:18:38.089 Um, not just because you want it because it makes 00:18:38.089 --> 00:18:41.349 your truck more complete, but, um, a lot of the 00:18:41.349 --> 00:18:43.750 times, some of this gear that I think a lot of 00:18:43.750 --> 00:18:47.430 us add, I say us as in just overlanders in general, 00:18:47.589 --> 00:18:51.130 but like a lot of us add aren't necessary for 00:18:51.130 --> 00:18:54.589 our region Whereas in the West you kind of start 00:18:54.589 --> 00:18:57.990 needing some of that stuff a little more Yeah, 00:18:58.329 --> 00:19:01.990 like for instance propane fire pit in Michigan 00:19:01.990 --> 00:19:05.589 You don't need it as much as you would somewhere 00:19:05.589 --> 00:19:11.109 by wildfire central areas about a propane slash 00:19:11.109 --> 00:19:14.900 self -standing Five minutes, right? So yeah, 00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:19.380 it's something like that or Even like Starlink 00:19:19.380 --> 00:19:22.720 you might not need it as much here but out in 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.259 the middle of absolute nowhere and You know, 00:19:26.259 --> 00:19:29.799 Wyoming or Death Valley Death Valley Valley where 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:31.720 you need to get that communication out or you 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:34.579 need to be able to upload or you know, whatever 00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:37.920 It just makes more sense to need it out there. 00:19:38.299 --> 00:19:41.319 So yeah, just things like that like It's just 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:43.440 cool to talk to people about it and be like, 00:19:43.539 --> 00:19:45.920 Hey, you know, what are you using? What do you 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:49.200 really need? Um, there's only so much you can 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.940 hear and take in from the people around you. 00:19:53.140 --> 00:19:55.160 Um, it starts to all kind of get the same, right? 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:58.380 Like, like, yeah, we all get it. Winch tires. 00:19:59.819 --> 00:20:03.839 Yeah. And another thing that's cool to me is 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.180 the way that we build Overland trucks here is 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:08.119 drastically different from how they build them 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.319 out there. Yeah. Um, you know, here. It's not 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.200 common, it happens, but it's not common to see 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.140 someone with stuff on the sides of their trucks. 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:18.900 But that's because majority of Michigan trails, 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.359 you're bushwhacking. The majority of a Michigan 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:24.960 trail, your truck might be wider than the trail, 00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:28.740 both side to side and top to bottom. Whereas 00:20:28.740 --> 00:20:31.980 once you get out west, I'm not saying they don't 00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:33.980 have it, but it's a lot less than what we're 00:20:33.980 --> 00:20:36.720 putting up with. Until you get into the PNW and 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:41.720 stuff, it seems like there's a lot less. the 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.380 tighter areas. I mean, yeah, I've seen videos 00:20:45.380 --> 00:20:47.619 like Moab and stuff and some of the drops are 00:20:47.619 --> 00:20:51.900 like, put your mirrors in type drops, but otherwise, 00:20:51.900 --> 00:20:54.599 yeah, it's just really cool. It's cool to see 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:57.859 everyone's setups. And if we're all being frank, 00:20:58.059 --> 00:21:02.099 I mean, there's just more people into that thing 00:21:02.099 --> 00:21:07.039 West. So, I want to surround myself and the family 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:11.140 and live in that kind of lifestyle. and experience 00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:12.779 that with other people that are really cool, 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:16.720 then yeah, I would much rather do that over there. 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.460 Just plain and simple, I guess. And terrain. 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.619 Terrain's another big one. You get a wider variety 00:21:25.619 --> 00:21:30.440 and a larger of each of that variety. I mean, 00:21:30.579 --> 00:21:33.759 like Oregon, for example, you can run into straight 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:36.920 desert mountains. I mean, there's just everything. 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:44.549 Yeah. Yeah, see what what was your least favorite 00:21:44.549 --> 00:21:54.170 trip of season two? Hmm That's hard because I 00:21:54.170 --> 00:21:57.650 have aspects that I didn't like about each one 00:21:57.650 --> 00:22:02.950 I haven't had any like really big breakdowns 00:22:02.950 --> 00:22:09.059 to make mine. I would say botches No, we did 00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:12.059 that the year before right? No, we did it this 00:22:12.059 --> 00:22:14.500 one. Yeah, the one where we camped right out 00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:19.720 in the middle of that plane That one was as that 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:23.359 was was that to you what point were you that 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:27.660 area with all the lumps? Oh Where you put your 00:22:27.660 --> 00:22:30.720 tat on the wrong side of the trail? Well, I wouldn't 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.700 say wrong side, but yeah Well, no, because you 00:22:33.700 --> 00:22:35.660 put yours where all the bumps were and we put 00:22:35.660 --> 00:22:37.359 ours over on the smooth side. I was just using 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:39.279 that for a reference. That's not what it was 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:41.400 one of my... That was the year before. You're 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:44.299 talking about Cadillac. Yeah, that was Cadillac 00:22:44.299 --> 00:22:46.460 area. That was hard to remember. I just didn't 00:22:46.460 --> 00:22:48.920 like that one as far as like the weather climate 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.279 was just kind of like for the other part of it. 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:55.440 But... Yeah, because it was nice and then kind 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.200 of rainy. Yeah, kind of crappy. And then what 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:03.160 happened? Mark had some issues. We had to oh, 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.019 yeah, see the actual see the actual boot, which 00:23:06.019 --> 00:23:10.539 wasn't a that was fun Well, I think I don't like 00:23:10.539 --> 00:23:15.680 doing that kind of stuff. So it was like So for 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.460 me, it was sucky that mark had to deal with it 00:23:18.460 --> 00:23:20.380 You know what I mean? Like I know mark has a 00:23:20.380 --> 00:23:22.259 different experience or that like you might like 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:24.740 working on his truck more than me But when I 00:23:24.740 --> 00:23:26.680 look back on I'm like and mark must not have 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:29.660 liked that It'll much been much nicer to hang 00:23:29.660 --> 00:23:31.700 out with a fire instead of working so late, you 00:23:31.700 --> 00:23:34.480 know Kind of thing. I think I will say I think 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:36.559 of all the fixes. It was my reader. It was the 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:40.160 pain They asked for me so far. Yeah Yeah, that 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:43.660 was also leatherwood. Um, you know, I hate to 00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:46.079 say it Well, except for the tensioner, I guess 00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:49.519 tensioner new one, but on trail repairs Rear 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:54.200 was annoying. I Would say that my least favorite 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:58.819 and I hate to say this was leatherwood yeah, 00:23:59.059 --> 00:24:04.589 and The wheeling was great. The rain sucked. 00:24:07.349 --> 00:24:12.490 It was so muddy. So they had set up our own little 00:24:12.490 --> 00:24:15.410 campground. We're all like 60 or 70 of us had 00:24:15.410 --> 00:24:18.670 crammed in and it rained and that just turned 00:24:18.670 --> 00:24:26.390 into a giant fucking mudfest. What I heard something 00:24:26.390 --> 00:24:28.970 they just cleared it out and seeded it so it 00:24:28.970 --> 00:24:33.569 wasn't fully developed Right. Yeah, they just 00:24:33.569 --> 00:24:36.450 cleared it like Couple not even a month before. 00:24:36.490 --> 00:24:38.509 Yeah, I don't know. I haven't talked to them 00:24:38.509 --> 00:24:42.309 much As far as like the owners or I haven't heard 00:24:42.309 --> 00:24:44.490 much from them But it sounded like that was one 00:24:44.490 --> 00:24:47.289 of the bigger groups that they've had at one 00:24:47.289 --> 00:24:52.490 time. It was yeah I needed a large area the issues 00:24:52.490 --> 00:24:55.950 around that were more it bothered me because 00:24:55.950 --> 00:24:57.970 originally we'd been told that we could just 00:24:57.970 --> 00:25:01.930 camp on trail and Kind of be spread out more 00:25:01.930 --> 00:25:05.690 and we ended up being clumped together The rain 00:25:05.690 --> 00:25:08.369 sucked and we weren't in areas that the rain, 00:25:08.369 --> 00:25:10.970 you know, we could would have been out of the 00:25:10.970 --> 00:25:18.089 rain a little bit and then I Don't know That 00:25:18.089 --> 00:25:20.150 trip would have been a lot more fun with like 00:25:20.150 --> 00:25:23.009 the six botches rigs and maybe one other person. 00:25:23.549 --> 00:25:25.750 There were just too many fucking people there. 00:25:26.289 --> 00:25:28.690 Yeah. I think if I was to go back and think about 00:25:28.690 --> 00:25:32.369 it, I'd say the first kids camp we had this year 00:25:32.369 --> 00:25:38.269 for no other reason other than... I can't remember 00:25:38.269 --> 00:25:40.529 if they're the same, but we'll just go with that 00:25:40.529 --> 00:25:43.170 they are. We had the one visitor that was really 00:25:43.170 --> 00:25:46.440 bad with their kids. I mentioned in your podcast 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:51.579 before, but it was just horrible. And there's 00:25:51.579 --> 00:25:54.920 not much you could do on state land that isn't 00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:56.940 breaking a law when it comes to getting people 00:25:56.940 --> 00:26:01.900 to leave. So that sucked because that was just 00:26:01.900 --> 00:26:06.279 a bad experience. And that was my first really 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:10.779 bad experience with people. So yeah, that sucked. 00:26:12.040 --> 00:26:15.220 Otherwise, I want to say it rained torrential 00:26:15.220 --> 00:26:19.099 downpour and then yeah, that was that trip and 00:26:19.099 --> 00:26:24.400 then after It got like 98 degrees and there was 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:26.640 nothing any of us could do to get away from that 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.160 Like it was fucking hot and humid and it was 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:33.940 just all disgusting That was the week where we 00:26:33.940 --> 00:26:38.829 had literally just you and me and Derek for Rigs 00:26:38.829 --> 00:26:41.250 and coffee that he wasn't it. Yes. Yeah, that 00:26:41.250 --> 00:26:45.130 was that week. That was horrible, dude. Just 00:26:45.130 --> 00:26:50.829 Excuse me. Just a nasty nasty day So yeah, I 00:26:50.829 --> 00:26:53.210 mean as far as and that was more a camp situation 00:26:53.210 --> 00:26:56.890 as far as like the people thing that kind of 00:26:56.890 --> 00:27:00.190 ironed itself out the first day and that was 00:27:00.190 --> 00:27:03.130 before anybody else even showed up really so 00:27:03.130 --> 00:27:05.740 Once everyone else showed up. It was fine You 00:27:05.740 --> 00:27:07.279 know, they kind of did their own thing. They 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:09.980 kind of knew they screwed up, but although I 00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:14.519 think that was probably my least favorite. What 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:23.339 was your most troublesome camp or as far as like 00:27:23.339 --> 00:27:25.400 repairs go? Was that Leatherwood for both of 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:31.359 you guys? I don't think he had any major daring 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:39.069 trips. His was all after. Yeah. Um, have I had 00:27:39.069 --> 00:27:41.369 any major personal... Oh, well, you technically 00:27:41.369 --> 00:27:43.869 had a bit of a shake and we had to tighten up 00:27:43.869 --> 00:27:46.210 stuff on the way out from Weatherwood. Right. 00:27:46.829 --> 00:27:49.170 Oh, yeah, but that was like... I know. ...a couple 00:27:49.170 --> 00:27:51.829 bullets. It's not a brace. I know. I don't think 00:27:51.829 --> 00:27:54.890 anybody really had anything bad this year. Oh, 00:27:55.210 --> 00:28:00.470 you had, you had our bachelor trip, Alex. Oh, 00:28:00.490 --> 00:28:05.430 and I dropped my timer on it. Oh, my god. And 00:28:05.430 --> 00:28:08.029 that, okay, the break itself wasn't that big 00:28:08.029 --> 00:28:10.789 of a deal. It was just the fact that we hadn't 00:28:10.789 --> 00:28:13.569 brought any of the tools to fix it, and we were... 00:28:13.569 --> 00:28:15.829 I even asked, do we need this welder? He's like, 00:28:15.910 --> 00:28:19.049 nah, we should be good. Well, that's because 00:28:19.049 --> 00:28:21.730 we had cut the trailer out of the equation, and 00:28:21.730 --> 00:28:24.789 we were running low on space. Yeah. Man, that 00:28:24.789 --> 00:28:30.599 sucks. I think... I don't really have anything 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:35.960 that went bad. I would say the worst is that 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.819 I thought my alternator was running out on the 00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:43.480 Labor Day trip, and it turned out that it wasn't 00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.359 my alternator, but my battery had been bouncing 00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:50.059 up so many times that it wiggled my negative 00:28:50.059 --> 00:28:55.309 off the terminal. I mean, that was... I know 00:28:55.309 --> 00:28:58.130 that sounds like, oh, that was bad, but we were 00:28:58.130 --> 00:29:00.230 panicking at that time because we were in the 00:29:00.230 --> 00:29:03.369 middle of nowhere. And well, I guess that was 00:29:03.369 --> 00:29:06.549 I guess the first half of this year I was chasing 00:29:06.549 --> 00:29:09.849 shakes like crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I think once you 00:29:09.849 --> 00:29:13.849 what wasn't it once you put on the the extended 00:29:13.849 --> 00:29:15.829 travels when everything's just kind of started 00:29:15.829 --> 00:29:18.390 melting away. Yeah. Yeah. When I went to long 00:29:18.390 --> 00:29:21.390 travel, not a single problem since. Yeah. But 00:29:21.390 --> 00:29:23.509 you were kind of chasing down things left and 00:29:23.509 --> 00:29:26.630 right. It was like, uh, shakes here and there. 00:29:27.509 --> 00:29:32.210 Um, uh, what was it? Alignment issues, um, tires. 00:29:32.450 --> 00:29:34.910 I never really, I never really had alignment 00:29:34.910 --> 00:29:37.569 issues. Well, um, I don't know. It felt like 00:29:37.569 --> 00:29:39.809 we always, we had to keep aligning, but I think 00:29:39.809 --> 00:29:41.230 that's just because we - Well, that's cause I 00:29:41.230 --> 00:29:45.769 was - Parts. Yeah. Well, I was constantly taking 00:29:45.769 --> 00:29:47.190 the front end apart and trying to figure out 00:29:47.190 --> 00:29:50.480 what was wrong with it. Yeah. So. But really, 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:54.940 nothing super serious. I have a feeling my 2026 00:29:54.940 --> 00:30:00.920 is gonna be different. Hey, my 2024 was fucking 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:06.420 awful. Yeah, I'm not looking at this. All of 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:08.779 2023, I didn't do anything on the truck. I just 00:30:08.779 --> 00:30:13.440 drove it. And then come 2024, it was like, this 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.829 is broken, this is broken, this is broken. Yeah, 00:30:16.849 --> 00:30:19.849 and the thing is is I don't like wheel hard but 00:30:19.849 --> 00:30:24.450 You know, I I also like if the problem isn't 00:30:24.450 --> 00:30:27.710 there I also don't address it either like and 00:30:27.710 --> 00:30:30.490 once the problem is there I save it for later 00:30:30.490 --> 00:30:32.769 because typically when it shows up, it's the 00:30:32.769 --> 00:30:36.930 worst time Always mark. Do you remember you remember 00:30:36.930 --> 00:30:39.470 when I used to do the whole it ain't broke yet. 00:30:39.470 --> 00:30:43.650 I'm not gonna worry about it. Yeah Yeah, it'd 00:30:43.650 --> 00:30:47.079 be one thing if I could be like Yeah, I do have 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:49.759 a extra couple hundred dollars to just redo all 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.720 the stuff in the front like Like I have the whole 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:58.240 cart saved I've literally There were a couple 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.240 of months in 2024 that we literally lived off 00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.279 ramen noodles because I put all of our money 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.619 into the truck. Oh, yeah Yeah, it'd be one thing 00:31:06.619 --> 00:31:10.740 on me. The kid just cannot I Don't know. It's 00:31:10.740 --> 00:31:12.680 I just don't want to give him a lower quality 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.900 of life. Just because I was like any I don't 00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:20.220 know stupid But I will I will be cutting back 00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:23.180 obviously a little bit just to try and make some 00:31:23.180 --> 00:31:29.839 up If I sell this truck Which now has been going 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.579 on forever Yeah, I didn't think I'd have this 00:31:34.579 --> 00:31:37.819 truck for this long honestly at the price especially 00:31:37.819 --> 00:31:40.599 since OBO pretty much means name your price nowadays 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:46.119 on marketplace, so But I planned on buying the 00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:48.980 whole pretty much a whole new not front end, 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.599 but like might be putting that towards the rear 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:57.779 axle now. Too bad. It's too bad that that isn't 00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:04.599 like 88 to 91. The first half of that generation 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.700 Chevy. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be because 00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:11.670 it would sell so much faster. With that being 00:32:11.670 --> 00:32:15.869 a 97, it's like the least sought after LBS. Oh, 00:32:15.869 --> 00:32:19.970 it's a 94. It's still got the refreshed interior 00:32:19.970 --> 00:32:25.450 though. Yeah. And it's TBI instead of carbureted. 00:32:26.049 --> 00:32:32.349 Yeah. So bop, womp, no big deal. Honestly, with 00:32:32.349 --> 00:32:36.789 the issues that I think are fixed on it, it's 00:32:36.789 --> 00:32:40.279 probably a vacuum issue. We might just... when 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:42.119 we dropped Sienna's car, she just might drive 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.980 that back to work, back and forth. That was an 00:32:44.980 --> 00:32:48.359 original plan anyway, until it started giving 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.000 us all the shit. So whatever. It is what it is. 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.619 I mean, it's not like she has to go far. No, 00:32:53.740 --> 00:32:57.740 it was seven minutes to work. So we'll get it 00:32:57.740 --> 00:32:59.799 figured out. Otherwise, yeah, we didn't really 00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.880 have any big issues in 2025. Mark's had probably 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:07.019 the biggest, but they weren't like massive, right? 00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:10.960 Like you had your exhaust. You've had your alternator. 00:33:11.819 --> 00:33:15.920 I had to rebuild my front end of the early part 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.160 of the year, because I tweaked the fuck out of 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:21.539 my knuckle. Yeah, when you hit the tire. I forgot 00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:27.460 about that. Fucking tractor tire. Hey, dude, 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:34.059 tires will jump out and bite you. Was it 2025 00:33:34.059 --> 00:33:36.500 that I bumped my lower control? No, that was 00:33:36.500 --> 00:33:40.750 last season. That was last season. Yeah. Yeah, 00:33:40.750 --> 00:33:43.210 I can. So that was the first, uh, third June 00:33:43.210 --> 00:33:48.029 weekend. Yeah. Otherwise, I think we did good. 00:33:48.230 --> 00:33:52.190 What about comms? Did we make any big comms changes 00:33:52.190 --> 00:33:56.329 in 2025? I don't, I don't think so. Comms are 00:33:56.329 --> 00:33:58.410 pretty, you know, once you got a system that 00:33:58.410 --> 00:34:03.250 works. I think Mark relocated. But I think we 00:34:03.250 --> 00:34:05.430 built your comms system this year. No, that was 00:34:05.430 --> 00:34:10.239 last year. It was last year that we did the whole 00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:18.460 spider configuration Yeah, yeah It's honestly 00:34:18.460 --> 00:34:20.360 kind of weird because I feel like I haven't known 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.820 these guys for super long but at the same time 00:34:22.820 --> 00:34:26.340 like We've now been doing this for this is a 00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:29.699 second year if anything, I think we finalized 00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:33.960 then the wire being tucked away and stuff, but 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.289 yeah, yeah And I know you just got, like, a new 00:34:36.289 --> 00:34:40.630 handset or whatever. Yeah, that was last season. 00:34:41.070 --> 00:34:42.809 That was last season. That was a season, right? 00:34:42.829 --> 00:34:47.429 This summer. No, he had that for botches yearly 00:34:47.429 --> 00:34:50.909 last year. Oh, wow. Yeah, so it all kind of matches 00:34:50.909 --> 00:34:55.369 together. Yeah. Looking back, it's getting hard. 00:34:55.969 --> 00:34:58.690 Yeah. I don't know. No, I did give the turn knob 00:34:58.690 --> 00:35:04.320 this year. OK. Think I got it. Oh, I got it before 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:09.360 on poker run ah Because I see in the poker one 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.360 video. Yeah, I don't think I got it for the yeah 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:19.400 Yeah, well All right. Well moving on from last 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:23.800 season What? Well, you're right. I think I got 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.460 it back in September slay. I was before botches 00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:34.940 yearly sheets What? what is your 2026 upgrade 00:35:34.940 --> 00:35:44.659 plans new rear axle honestly I don't know we'll 00:35:44.659 --> 00:35:48.960 see on that I guess after we do the New Year's 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:51.980 poker run and I check it we'll kind of see how 00:35:51.980 --> 00:35:56.159 mad it is but yeah it's definitely something 00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.480 I'm thinking about otherwise Redo on the whole 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.719 rear end like I mentioned before making a bunch 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:09.099 more storage Getting a second battery and then 00:36:09.099 --> 00:36:12.320 running all the wiring to that off of Andersen's 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:16.380 and I Have probably not much more. I don't know 00:36:16.380 --> 00:36:19.739 if I'm gonna change my tent game up. I guess 00:36:19.739 --> 00:36:23.860 that depends on I was really hoping a case you 00:36:23.860 --> 00:36:25.780 would get back to us been able to try that out, 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.750 but they haven't so I don't know if I'm going 00:36:28.750 --> 00:36:31.750 to spend the $400 or $500 when we have a good 00:36:31.750 --> 00:36:34.849 tent still. You know what I mean? Right. Like 00:36:34.849 --> 00:36:36.570 if we end up needing it, that'd be one thing. 00:36:37.550 --> 00:36:42.610 But I just can't pull myself together to do that. 00:36:43.989 --> 00:36:46.710 But yeah, probably those would be the main ones. 00:36:47.289 --> 00:36:50.849 Little things here and there. Definitely going 00:36:50.849 --> 00:36:54.269 to try to fix some of the interior wiring, make 00:36:54.269 --> 00:36:59.369 everything a little bit more. I don't know, hidden. 00:37:01.090 --> 00:37:03.309 Just make everything smoother, more efficient 00:37:03.309 --> 00:37:05.969 and probably maintain the truck a little better 00:37:05.969 --> 00:37:08.829 this year. Try to slow down some of this rust 00:37:08.829 --> 00:37:16.289 removal, et cetera. My 2026 plans almost completely 00:37:16.289 --> 00:37:20.230 are interior. I plan on pulling the whole interior 00:37:20.230 --> 00:37:23.429 out, sound deadening everything, doors, firewall, 00:37:23.829 --> 00:37:27.449 everything. Running all the rerunning wires because 00:37:27.449 --> 00:37:29.570 there's still wires in there from people before 00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:33.250 me like it it just needs everything ripped I 00:37:33.250 --> 00:37:35.849 mean I plan on pulling the dash off and cleaning 00:37:35.849 --> 00:37:40.070 up wiring behind the dash everything And then 00:37:40.070 --> 00:37:42.929 I'm gonna get some new seats for the front of 00:37:42.929 --> 00:37:46.050 the driver and passenger because mine are Beyond 00:37:46.050 --> 00:37:48.250 torn at this point like they're barely fucking 00:37:48.250 --> 00:37:57.420 holding on Yeah I might upgrade my radio. I really 00:37:57.420 --> 00:38:01.360 want a GME to eliminate some of my issues I've 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.340 been having, but... Yeah, GME would be nice. 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:10.699 I would not mind that. I think the radio is kind 00:38:10.699 --> 00:38:14.440 of a nice one to change, but for now mine works. 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.840 I might get a Starlink or something. I don't 00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:23.820 know. It just is so dependent on need. based 00:38:23.820 --> 00:38:28.340 off of what we're doing. So if I register, hey, 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.019 the second battery is nice, but I need this, 00:38:31.219 --> 00:38:35.119 or hey, this diesel heater needs this or this. 00:38:35.420 --> 00:38:38.179 It's just one of those things where I upgrade 00:38:38.179 --> 00:38:45.840 as I go, just based on need. What about you, 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:52.199 Mark? Sorry, Alex. Camp wise I think I'm pretty 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.980 much set at this point. The swag is fucking amazing 00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:58.280 I've now got two of them because we got Jackson 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:02.599 one and Then the dog swag and I just camp setup 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:04.960 is pretty bang on at this point. Are you playing 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:09.179 with the hot wheels? How do you know because 00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:14.000 the wheels have been squeaking pretty cats Am 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.300 so sorry listeners. I definitely been driving 00:39:16.300 --> 00:39:18.619 my CJ seven around my desk this high the time. 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:24.619 It's It's a cool one Yeah, I mean, it's cool. 00:39:24.739 --> 00:39:28.000 I mean, it's even the top even comes off. I kept 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.880 hearing the squeaky and I'm like It's got the 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.860 golden eagle. Can't can't do it anymore You know 00:39:33.860 --> 00:39:38.420 Daisy Dukes, you know put Yeah, it is Dixie But 00:39:38.420 --> 00:39:40.139 well, what about you mark? What are you doing? 00:39:41.759 --> 00:39:44.820 Um, I'm gonna start trying to figure out putting 00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:52.480 35s on. 35s. I got some other stuff I wanna do, 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.179 but I don't know if I'm gonna get to it this 00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:59.460 year. It's just a lot to do. One, I want a solid 00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:02.159 axle swap. The issue is that's just a lot of 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:05.340 stuff to do and prep to do, so I don't know if 00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:07.719 I'm gonna get to it this year or not for that. 00:40:08.210 --> 00:40:10.429 Yeah, like I mean, I want to do like control 00:40:10.429 --> 00:40:14.070 arms and stuff, you know, switch out that, um, 00:40:14.110 --> 00:40:17.909 get a removable sway bar, uh, do those apex sway 00:40:17.909 --> 00:40:21.269 bar removals, but just, just delete them. Yeah, 00:40:21.269 --> 00:40:25.869 I know. I, I think I, I want to just delete them, 00:40:25.869 --> 00:40:30.150 but I also, uh, I think the option to use them 00:40:30.150 --> 00:40:32.989 and not use them on, you know, is also really 00:40:32.989 --> 00:40:36.829 nice. So We'll see. I don't know. I'm going on 00:40:36.829 --> 00:40:40.590 two years like no sway bars So say two years 00:40:40.590 --> 00:40:44.809 of no front one year of nowhere. I hear Tinker's 00:40:44.809 --> 00:40:46.489 adventures. I think is what it's called He does 00:40:46.489 --> 00:40:50.050 a really good video and comparison to the amount 00:40:50.050 --> 00:40:53.070 of travel you get for doing just the front just 00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:57.449 the rear both And it's really interesting actually. 00:40:57.690 --> 00:41:00.849 So If you guys want to check that out, you should 00:41:02.070 --> 00:41:08.190 I've watched it. And that also changes depending 00:41:08.190 --> 00:41:11.030 on setup. Like with the long travel, one, I can't 00:41:11.030 --> 00:41:15.949 run a sway bar. Two, if I did, it would restrict 00:41:15.949 --> 00:41:19.949 my travel in the front a lot. Absolutely. And 00:41:19.949 --> 00:41:22.750 then in my rear, the way I've got that set up 00:41:22.750 --> 00:41:26.130 with the links that I've got, sway bar would 00:41:26.130 --> 00:41:29.369 only limit it. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. 00:41:29.829 --> 00:41:33.230 Absolutely. Don't offer the road driving that 00:41:33.230 --> 00:41:36.349 I do. It'd just be nice to have Something to 00:41:36.349 --> 00:41:38.869 keep me nice and tight up there while I do any 00:41:38.869 --> 00:41:42.969 of the major road driving Does anyone know how 00:41:42.969 --> 00:41:49.170 many miles they put on their car this year? I 00:41:49.170 --> 00:41:51.429 Think I put quite a few on specials last couple 00:41:51.429 --> 00:41:58.250 months working closer to town right I Say I bought 00:41:58.250 --> 00:42:03.210 mine with 240 ,000 when the odometer quit which 00:42:03.210 --> 00:42:08.929 was last season was 267 I bet you that this year 00:42:08.929 --> 00:42:13.510 I've put probably 50 to 60 maybe even 70 ,000 00:42:13.510 --> 00:42:17.769 miles on that thing holy shit dude I don't even 00:42:17.769 --> 00:42:20.050 think I put anywhere near that on that I think 00:42:20.050 --> 00:42:24.050 I haven't put 50 to 60 ,000 miles on my car on 00:42:24.050 --> 00:42:27.269 the three years that I've had it I mean, you 00:42:27.269 --> 00:42:29.909 got to think how long, how often I was doing 00:42:29.909 --> 00:42:34.389 trips like out of state, up North. I guess it 00:42:34.389 --> 00:42:37.750 didn't feel often to me, but yeah, I guess the 00:42:37.750 --> 00:42:41.909 last, uh, you've done probably more in terms 00:42:41.909 --> 00:42:44.210 of like how many you've done this year than I 00:42:44.210 --> 00:42:47.869 have as long -term trips, but yeah. Yeah. For 00:42:47.869 --> 00:42:50.389 trips that were. I was about to say, I think 00:42:50.389 --> 00:42:54.050 about with Alex or a little more. Yeah. But you're 00:42:54.050 --> 00:42:55.530 definitely more because you're driving all the 00:42:55.530 --> 00:43:02.670 way to Holland. I'm sure So I have put Jump I've 00:43:02.670 --> 00:43:05.429 probably I've done six trips this year that were 00:43:05.429 --> 00:43:11.869 over 3 ,000 miles. Yeah I think I'm Probably 00:43:11.869 --> 00:43:15.769 five trips that were over six thousand one trip. 00:43:15.769 --> 00:43:20.829 That was like fifty one hundred So you're doing 00:43:20.829 --> 00:43:28.989 like Three thousand ish miles one way Yeah, just 00:43:28.989 --> 00:43:32.829 about total a lot of its back -and -forth stuff 00:43:32.829 --> 00:43:39.190 It's a lot Like even doing like how far it's 00:43:39.190 --> 00:43:42.030 not like more than like 1600 miles to get to 00:43:42.030 --> 00:43:46.630 Friendsgiving, right? No, no, no, no, that that's 00:43:46.630 --> 00:43:48.929 the one that's like total is like just under 00:43:48.929 --> 00:43:54.179 five thousand Yeah, cuz a lot of it isn't a lot 00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:56.739 of it wasn't just I drove there It was I drove 00:43:56.739 --> 00:43:59.400 there drove probably a thousand miles in that 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:05.099 area and then back. Yeah, I I know my is I mean, 00:44:05.099 --> 00:44:08.380 I even had one trip to Florida this year You 00:44:08.380 --> 00:44:11.880 went to found it back in the truck Was that this 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:13.920 year? I don't think you did. Oh that might have 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.320 been that might have been last season What my 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.760 mom? Yeah. Yeah, I have like that thing's been 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:23.250 all over man. Yeah. Yeah I think I, I probably 00:44:23.250 --> 00:44:31.070 only put 15 to 20 ,000 on mine at the most. Um, 00:44:31.269 --> 00:44:33.769 I would probably put it closer to 15, honestly, 00:44:33.829 --> 00:44:36.650 cause I feel like last year I was at like 130 00:44:36.650 --> 00:44:43.269 ish and this year I just hit like 157. I wish 00:44:43.269 --> 00:44:46.570 I had an odometer so I could be realistic here, 00:44:46.829 --> 00:44:49.630 but you know, it is what it is. Yeah. I mean, 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.719 Haven't put a lot on there and the truck is still 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:58.639 is still low miles for an 07. So mark Mark, I'm 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:03.679 good life. Yeah, okay his eyes look like It looked 00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:08.099 like he was like hard -zoned. Yeah Yeah, dude, 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.519 I I hopefully I we get some more out -of -state 00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:14.559 trips next year Like I said, I'd really like 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.739 to I'm not saying I'm tapped out on Michigan 00:45:16.739 --> 00:45:18.539 because I'm definitely not I don't think anybody 00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:22.260 really can But I'd love to do some long trips. 00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:27.340 My two weeks vacation just kills whatever. Like, 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.000 only having two weeks is the fucking worst, dude. 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:37.980 Yeah. Yeah, I would love to go out west and maybe 00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:42.760 go up to, um, you know, Oregon or something. 00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:45.139 Thing is, I have to do it with other people. 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.000 Like, I, in good conscience with my experience 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:51.840 level, going out of state across the country, 00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.920 um, in the middle of nowhere. I have to do with 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.619 people that kind of know the area. So that, that 00:45:58.619 --> 00:46:01.699 more depends on that, but I want to do some in 00:46:01.699 --> 00:46:04.500 Ohio. We were talking about that. I want to do 00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:09.000 some Ozarks stuff. I would like to, I'd love 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:12.579 to do for friends giving and, um, and what is 00:46:12.579 --> 00:46:20.239 it? Missouri. And it'd be cool. That's Ozarks 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.360 Is it Ozarks a little further south than friends 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:25.300 giving but either way it's like right there, 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.159 dude It's like within it's like within three 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:32.679 hours. Yeah. Oh, I don't think 30 minutes Is 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.440 it three hours all Daniel Boone is right there? 00:46:35.579 --> 00:46:38.360 Yeah, Daniel Boone. Daniel Boone's a good time. 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:44.239 Yeah, you're right Cuz no, not doing what's That 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.460 they've got a big spot right there. Yeah, okay 00:46:47.989 --> 00:46:50.889 This is like Daniel Boone Kentucky byways. It's 00:46:50.889 --> 00:46:53.449 called like yeah, you're right. Daniel Boone 00:46:53.449 --> 00:46:56.050 is Kentucky. Hold up. Let me get this figured 00:46:56.050 --> 00:46:58.590 out Yeah, cuz I'd like to do Daniel Boone. I 00:46:58.590 --> 00:47:03.110 think that'd be really cool And I don't think 00:47:03.110 --> 00:47:05.409 I'm gonna get to Washington, Oregon area, but 00:47:05.409 --> 00:47:10.550 I'd like to get to I Don't know the Dakotas maybe 00:47:10.550 --> 00:47:14.829 the Black Hills. That'd be cool Get out there 00:47:14.829 --> 00:47:18.599 for a little bit Canada would be cool There's 00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:21.699 a lot on Canada's side of the UP. I'd love to 00:47:21.699 --> 00:47:26.400 do a trip where we do the Canadian side of the 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:32.400 Superior. Dude, Lake of the Ozarks is like not 00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:36.940 even an hour away from Crocker. I just, I didn't 00:47:36.940 --> 00:47:39.960 think Ozarks were in Missouri, but I thought 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.280 they were in like Arkansas or some shit. Well, 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.219 they are also Arkansas. Yeah, it's 30 minutes 00:47:47.219 --> 00:47:50.840 to Lake of the Ozarks. Well, either way, that's 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.780 even better. Um, still be able to do something 00:47:54.780 --> 00:48:00.579 like that. Um, yeah, that's for 2026. I'd like 00:48:00.579 --> 00:48:02.539 to be able to get out and do some bigger ones 00:48:02.539 --> 00:48:06.920 out as much as I can, obviously, but, um, those 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.880 are the big ones I want. What about, uh, it's 00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:14.889 Mark. It's Mark Twain national force. Mark's 00:48:14.889 --> 00:48:18.130 first name, man. We should remember that. What 00:48:18.130 --> 00:48:20.789 about you, Alex? Any big trips that you want 00:48:20.789 --> 00:48:25.610 to try and get out this next year? Are you doing 00:48:25.610 --> 00:48:27.610 Leatherwood again, or are you going to skip out 00:48:27.610 --> 00:48:31.010 on that? I think we're skipping Leatherwood this 00:48:31.010 --> 00:48:33.570 year. Are you replacing it with something else? 00:48:37.489 --> 00:48:40.789 Possibly an Ozark strip. Was it Ozark that we 00:48:40.789 --> 00:48:43.079 were doing? I thought we talked about Land of 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:46.280 the Lakes, too. Oh, yeah, or Land of the Lakes. 00:48:46.539 --> 00:48:49.300 I really want to. I really want to do Land Between 00:48:49.300 --> 00:48:53.340 the Lakes. Where is that at? Kentucky or Tennessee? 00:48:53.860 --> 00:48:57.059 Tennessee. No, it's exactly between the two. 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.639 Yeah, I want to do Land Between the Lakes really 00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.739 bad. Yeah. Oh, I was thinking Land of the Lakes. 00:49:06.980 --> 00:49:09.679 Isn't that Wisconsin or Minnesota? Land of a 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:14.719 Thousand Lakes or some shit? All right, no, I 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.820 I want to say it's Minnesota. That's the land 00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:19.900 of a thousand lakes. No, I said Wisconsin is 00:49:19.900 --> 00:49:23.539 uh, oh Did you I thought I I don't know why I 00:49:23.539 --> 00:49:25.280 didn't hear that. Okay. Yeah, Minnesota's like 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.739 land of a thousand lakes or something like that 00:49:27.739 --> 00:49:31.099 That'd be cool. But even though they have less 00:49:31.099 --> 00:49:33.639 lakes than we do, but you know, whatever They're 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:37.420 definitely not as cool as us for sure Yeah, I 00:49:37.420 --> 00:49:39.880 was thinking about this other Small tangent, 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.860 but I love how New York just gets like the major 00:49:42.860 --> 00:49:46.440 brunt of like Buffalo of Like the Great Lakes. 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:49.400 Yeah snow effect or like yeah effect. I just 00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:53.920 think that's like do areas so I had a I had a 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.940 friend that lived right there in Buffalo, and 00:49:56.940 --> 00:49:59.539 they get snow, but it's nothing like what they 00:49:59.539 --> 00:50:01.559 get in the northern U .P., lake effect -wise. 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.239 The stuff they get from Superior is so much worse 00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.679 than what comes off of Huron. Yeah, but I think 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.400 you would, like, expect it, being on the lake, 00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:12.900 you know, having the lake around you, but, like, 00:50:13.099 --> 00:50:15.079 being a little farther away from Lake Superior 00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:19.360 and Michigan, you're like, damn, they just get 00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:23.559 hit. It's funny. What about you Mark? Any big 00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:26.619 places you want to go this year? I've kind of 00:50:26.619 --> 00:50:28.500 already said what Alex said, land in the lakes. 00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:32.739 Yeah, yeah. Land between the lakes. Yeah. Land 00:50:32.739 --> 00:50:38.199 of the butter. See, a land of lakes butter. And 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:42.380 then obviously we'll have our, we'll start up 00:50:42.380 --> 00:50:46.800 Chords and Caff here probably end of January. 00:50:47.739 --> 00:50:53.050 Hmm. Oh yeah. Now that we're out of all these 00:50:53.050 --> 00:50:55.889 holidays time for that to come back. Yeah, and 00:50:55.889 --> 00:51:02.429 then We've got third gen weekend coming up that's 00:51:02.429 --> 00:51:06.510 we don't have that scheduled yet No, we don't 00:51:06.510 --> 00:51:10.070 We need to get on that. I'm also going to turkey 00:51:10.070 --> 00:51:15.329 run with family in April Why does that make sense? 00:51:17.309 --> 00:51:19.820 What is what makes them turkey run you being 00:51:19.820 --> 00:51:23.739 a turkey farmer and all? Oh, we've been doing 00:51:23.739 --> 00:51:26.000 turkey run longer than I've been a turkey farmer, 00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:27.659 and I never caught that. That's pretty funny. 00:51:29.260 --> 00:51:32.519 Yeah. Well, I mean, it's been a good year. We 00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:34.260 haven't had a lot of breakdowns, haven't had 00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:36.500 a lot of issues, and we've been a lot of places. 00:51:38.380 --> 00:51:42.139 I'm really looking forward to, I think, almost 00:51:42.139 --> 00:51:46.340 as much as us going, just the new changes we 00:51:46.340 --> 00:51:49.750 make, the new friends we make. There's a lot 00:51:49.750 --> 00:51:53.429 of possibility if Alex stops messing with the 00:51:53.429 --> 00:51:59.710 CJ. I'm so sorry. There's a lot of possibility 00:51:59.710 --> 00:52:05.389 with us growing more and expanding as a podcast 00:52:05.389 --> 00:52:09.630 and meeting new people. I'm really excited for 00:52:09.630 --> 00:52:11.409 that. We've already had a few things that have 00:52:11.409 --> 00:52:14.730 come up that we won't share until it's solid. 00:52:16.369 --> 00:52:18.769 It's just fun. It's really cool. The voicemail 00:52:18.769 --> 00:52:21.750 segment has been probably my favorite part of 00:52:21.750 --> 00:52:25.690 this whole year as far as a podcast go I we've 00:52:25.690 --> 00:52:27.269 had some really good interviews. We had some 00:52:27.269 --> 00:52:29.610 really good ones last year I'm sure you guys 00:52:29.610 --> 00:52:33.409 have had some I know you really like Dan and 00:52:33.409 --> 00:52:38.329 I Think just my favorite part is the funny voicemail 00:52:38.329 --> 00:52:41.269 thing. I think that was just so so I have on 00:52:41.269 --> 00:52:45.300 here I think that's funny because that is a segment 00:52:45.300 --> 00:52:48.079 I was so scared to bring up because I thought 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.800 that you would be against it. No, no. I thought 00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.760 it was great. I am so glad that you liked that. 00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:56.980 I think that's my favorite because I think the 00:52:56.980 --> 00:53:00.000 engagement from listeners is probably the coolest 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.679 part. If you're thinking about it logically, 00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:07.239 the engagement from listeners is also great for 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:11.539 episodes. But I like hearing from people. I like 00:53:11.539 --> 00:53:13.440 hearing from our listeners, and I like hearing 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.639 their opinions on things, even if they're wrong, 00:53:17.739 --> 00:53:22.840 like trash can turkeys and stuff. It's OK. But 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.780 it's cool to hear. It was cool that Benji threw 00:53:25.780 --> 00:53:29.760 out our first voicemail that we have. We already 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.880 had one here waiting for us. It's about what 00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:36.190 we expected, honestly, for. the amount of, you 00:53:36.190 --> 00:53:39.329 know, time between voicemails. So it gives us 00:53:39.329 --> 00:53:41.269 something cool to add. I think that was a really 00:53:41.269 --> 00:53:46.170 good, really good addition. Yeah, thanks, Jimmy, 00:53:46.190 --> 00:53:48.289 for pushing me to do that. Yeah, it was a good 00:53:48.289 --> 00:53:50.769 idea. What about you guys? As far as like our 00:53:50.769 --> 00:53:54.090 2025 podcast side, what was your favorite either 00:53:54.090 --> 00:54:02.309 episode, moment? What do you got? Oh, I got to 00:54:02.309 --> 00:54:05.360 think back. Yeah. You almost have to look back 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:08.699 on the episodes, because our episodes are meld 00:54:08.699 --> 00:54:14.360 even more. Yeah. My all -time favorite episode, 00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:18.179 which has almost no downloads, by the way, is 00:54:18.179 --> 00:54:20.980 Porn Stars and Jelly Beans, because it was so 00:54:20.980 --> 00:54:23.840 funny. Yeah. Yeah, that one's definitely rated 00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.219 a little higher, so I get it. I get it. We got 00:54:27.219 --> 00:54:29.119 to keep it toned down a little bit with that. 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.010 But yeah, no. we had a really good year for people, 00:54:34.670 --> 00:54:36.829 um, for content. We had a pretty good year for 00:54:36.829 --> 00:54:41.429 that. The, uh, the 5K truck challenge. Yeah. 00:54:41.489 --> 00:54:44.210 I really enjoyed that. That was so fun. That 00:54:44.210 --> 00:54:48.150 was fun. I really liked having, um, an outside 00:54:48.150 --> 00:54:52.409 influence on that. Um, I think that just like 00:54:52.409 --> 00:54:57.130 helped, um, I don't know, it just like helped 00:54:57.130 --> 00:54:59.730 bring it together as like a... as a challenge 00:54:59.730 --> 00:55:02.690 between the three of the four of us, three of 00:55:02.690 --> 00:55:06.349 us. Tax evasion for dummies was pretty good. 00:55:06.750 --> 00:55:09.409 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we've had a few good ones. 00:55:09.610 --> 00:55:12.110 Let me here. Let me click onto it. I got to look 00:55:12.110 --> 00:55:18.030 at some of our episodes here. The most information 00:55:18.030 --> 00:55:20.530 packed one that we had this year was the Great 00:55:20.530 --> 00:55:22.690 Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association interview. 00:55:23.150 --> 00:55:27.659 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those are pretty bad. That's 00:55:27.659 --> 00:55:29.820 when you almost need to sit and listen like I'll 00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:32.820 listen to it every once in a while just to Remind 00:55:32.820 --> 00:55:35.039 myself why things are the way they are. Yeah, 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.019 the more flight one. That was great That was 00:55:38.019 --> 00:55:42.179 amazing. Yeah Mark we did do your comms upgrade 00:55:42.179 --> 00:55:45.840 this season season 2 episode 17 What that's when 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:48.360 you went to a single din radio and we put all 00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:53.440 your mounts and stuff in oh I guess you do count 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:56.179 that one. I wasn't counting that and you sure 00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:00.179 corn, corn, stars and jelly beans was a season 00:56:00.179 --> 00:56:04.539 two episode, season two, episode 14. Yeah. Oh 00:56:04.539 --> 00:56:07.480 yeah. You're right. You're right. We did do that. 00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.440 Singled in. Yeah, that's, um, Oh, I like some 00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:14.980 radio. That was technically more nav though than 00:56:14.980 --> 00:56:18.099 comms, but comms was part of that. Yeah. Dude, 00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.440 we should start throwing a radio chatter card 00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:22.980 in here and there because I also like those. 00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.000 Yeah, I'll be honest. I think we kind of just 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:29.659 forgot about them. And yeah, I think we did it 00:56:29.659 --> 00:56:31.500 so often, though. I think we were trying to cut 00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:33.599 it down. Yeah, we ended up trying to cut them. 00:56:33.860 --> 00:56:35.679 Yeah, we ended up trying to cut it down, but 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.159 I think we cut it down too much. Radio chatter 00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:41.519 was fun. I like doing that. Maybe we throw in 00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:43.599 a radio chatter in with some of the voicemail 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.719 segment. When we get a voicemail, we'll do a 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:50.579 radio chatter. Oh, hold up. We could do a radio 00:56:50.579 --> 00:56:53.579 chatter card that prompts voicemails. That's 00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:57.239 a good one, too. Yep. So like, you know, one 00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:01.179 week we say, you know, here's the topic this 00:57:01.179 --> 00:57:04.539 week, and then callers can call in and answer 00:57:04.539 --> 00:57:10.920 the radio chatter. Yep. We had our no rap this 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:15.050 week, sorry, from Alex. Yeah, that's a great 00:57:15.050 --> 00:57:18.230 episode. It's like a minute long not even oh 00:57:18.230 --> 00:57:20.389 Yeah, yeah, okay. You're right. Yep. I think 00:57:20.389 --> 00:57:24.329 half of it is the intro Did I even do the intro? 00:57:24.409 --> 00:57:29.309 I don't even know oh Guns crepes updates and 00:57:29.309 --> 00:57:33.050 more I like that one The world is cooked. I like 00:57:33.050 --> 00:57:36.769 that one as well. That was a good episode Yeah, 00:57:36.889 --> 00:57:39.949 dude. We had we had a lot of these But lights 00:57:39.949 --> 00:57:44.199 is there anything? Is there anything we want 00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:49.880 to do to To the podcast anything we feel needs 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:54.380 to be done Like for me one thing I would like 00:57:54.380 --> 00:57:57.400 to get back on a schedule We let it fall out 00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:01.019 and it's just it's not fair to listeners. Yeah 00:58:01.019 --> 00:58:05.920 I know for me. I want to start getting different 00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.719 segments some different like content. That's 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:11.579 part of the reason why I got these mics. I wanted 00:58:11.579 --> 00:58:14.539 to do fireside chats, as I would like to call 00:58:14.539 --> 00:58:18.420 them, something like that, where we could do 00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:20.099 campfire chats with people who we're hanging 00:58:20.099 --> 00:58:24.719 out with, or do them at like some rigs in, or 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.699 like a cords of calf. We'll do a campfire chat 00:58:26.699 --> 00:58:29.500 with someone who shows up, talk about the rig, 00:58:29.619 --> 00:58:31.679 talk about what made them do it, that kind of 00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:37.389 thing. And I talked to Shane about this. Uh, 00:58:37.389 --> 00:58:40.550 once F1 season starts up, I want to get Shane 00:58:40.550 --> 00:58:44.250 to do, like, every week a 10 -minute, like, just 00:58:44.250 --> 00:58:46.829 quick breakdown on the race and his thoughts 00:58:46.829 --> 00:58:49.829 on the outcome. Yeah. It would be cool to have 00:58:49.829 --> 00:58:54.610 a, um... I still want to do this, a 10 -minute, 00:58:54.610 --> 00:58:58.030 like, overland news update. Like, hey, this, 00:58:58.030 --> 00:59:00.090 this, and this is going on, and then just keep 00:59:00.090 --> 00:59:02.909 it to that and move away. It just... It just 00:59:02.909 --> 00:59:06.010 doesn't seem like overland news happened. Like... 00:59:06.539 --> 00:59:09.480 It'd be like once a month maybe yeah, and that's 00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:12.000 like you know I wanted I wanted to do that whole 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.360 show based around this and it just news wasn't 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.019 happening fast enough to get shows which is good 00:59:18.019 --> 00:59:21.380 and bad, but I'm just talking about like exciting 00:59:21.380 --> 00:59:26.000 products Exciting news as far as like legislation 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:31.119 or anything like that Horrible happenings anything 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:35.369 that didn't go well like Um, us losing some of 00:59:35.369 --> 00:59:38.210 our favorite, uh, influencers this year, unfortunately. 00:59:38.929 --> 00:59:42.650 Um, we, I think we have one podcast member who's 00:59:42.650 --> 00:59:47.050 stopping the podcast. We lost a, um, a really, 00:59:47.269 --> 00:59:50.650 really, really popular overlanding, um, team. 00:59:52.010 --> 00:59:54.969 And it's just, uh, it would be cool to do like 00:59:54.969 --> 00:59:57.789 a, uh, just a 10 minute just like that to just 00:59:57.789 --> 01:00:00.449 like, Hey, here's what you need to know. This 01:00:00.449 --> 01:00:03.070 is what's going on. This is where it's happening. 01:00:03.590 --> 01:00:06.409 Hey, have a good day. And just like, and do it 01:00:06.409 --> 01:00:10.489 as it comes, as the news comes or as the products 01:00:10.489 --> 01:00:13.769 come out. I think it would be cool to hit some 01:00:13.769 --> 01:00:18.210 of the expos or hit a expo and do that. I'd like 01:00:18.210 --> 01:00:20.809 to hit a expo. I just wish they weren't so goddamn 01:00:20.809 --> 01:00:23.050 expensive. They are. That's the thing is like, 01:00:23.309 --> 01:00:26.630 I'd love to hit like an Overland Expo and then 01:00:26.630 --> 01:00:28.869 make a list of like some of the most exciting 01:00:28.869 --> 01:00:33.059 products. Maybe, maybe even do like quick. bring 01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:35.880 the mic out, hey, this is, you know, botch is 01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:39.159 off road, we're at this expo, hey, tell us about 01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:41.099 your product. And then have them tell us about 01:00:41.099 --> 01:00:44.000 the product on the podcast. Yeah. And then connect 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.019 all together, you know, just cool stuff like 01:00:46.019 --> 01:00:51.880 that. The other thing with expos is I'd only 01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:55.199 want to do like one a year. Yeah. Because it 01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:58.900 would take, doing an expo would take away so 01:00:58.900 --> 01:01:01.480 much money that I would lose a trip that year. 01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:03.820 And I don't want to lose going out in the woods 01:01:03.820 --> 01:01:06.119 to go sit in a field with a bunch of other people. 01:01:06.460 --> 01:01:09.800 Yeah, I think if I did the Expo, it would have 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:13.920 to be a trip, a part of a trip. So I'd have to 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.179 do like a couple days before it, go to Expo and 01:01:19.179 --> 01:01:21.139 then head home, which that would be fine with 01:01:21.139 --> 01:01:23.719 me. Because at that point, I did my camping. 01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:26.639 Let's go out. Let's talk to a bunch of people 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:28.980 that I've been wanting to meet or wanting to 01:01:28.980 --> 01:01:32.519 socialize with for a long time. and move on and 01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:35.800 go home, you know, having a quiet time. So, um, 01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.980 another thing I really like is all of our goofy, 01:01:38.980 --> 01:01:43.880 uh, album arts, episode art. Yep. Um, did you, 01:01:44.019 --> 01:01:46.559 did you see the one for, uh, the time we did 01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:48.320 a recovery when we were supposed to be recording? 01:01:49.659 --> 01:01:53.519 I kind of grew a piece through it. I don't even 01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.420 think I did on that one. It's, it's a car down 01:01:57.420 --> 01:02:01.170 in a ditch. With Toe Mater and a third -gen forerunner 01:02:01.170 --> 01:02:04.409 pulling it out and a snowman off to the side 01:02:04.409 --> 01:02:08.889 saying, oh no Yeah, I think I liked my my new 01:02:08.889 --> 01:02:11.710 segment alert the voicemail messages that art 01:02:11.710 --> 01:02:16.909 the that one was good. Yeah Wow, Sesame Street, 01:02:17.409 --> 01:02:20.750 right? Yeah Yeah, I couldn't remember his name 01:02:20.750 --> 01:02:24.250 for a second. That scares me. I Also would like 01:02:24.250 --> 01:02:27.420 to get back to doing chapter art Um, we fell 01:02:27.420 --> 01:02:29.500 out of it because we were all so busy, but I 01:02:29.500 --> 01:02:31.159 think it's an important thing for us to keep 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.760 doing. The other thing is, is not only we were 01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:36.260 too busy, but a lot of the times our shows aren't 01:02:36.260 --> 01:02:39.539 structured enough to make chapter art like, or 01:02:39.539 --> 01:02:44.119 I'm sorry, chapters, um, kind of like a necessity. 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:48.639 Like we go back and forth a lot, so. We talk 01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:50.659 two minutes about one thing, and then we're back 01:02:50.659 --> 01:02:52.480 for a minute on something else, and then five 01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.659 minutes on something else. So maybe we get more 01:02:55.659 --> 01:02:57.840 structure this next year, I think, as we get 01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:02.519 better. With podcasting, I think we've done that 01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:05.300 naturally. We've stayed on topic better, and 01:03:05.300 --> 01:03:07.380 we're better at reminding ourselves that and 01:03:07.380 --> 01:03:10.000 not saying things like, um. So the more that 01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:11.960 we do it, the better we get. So I appreciate 01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:16.019 you guys for sitting through even the hard times. 01:03:16.300 --> 01:03:19.920 or the the low times when we're kind of not doing 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:22.199 anything where we're just chit chatting appreciate 01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.480 you guys for listening it's gonna be an exciting 01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:27.639 year we're gonna have more content on all the 01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:33.059 platforms I am helping helping push some content 01:03:33.059 --> 01:03:36.420 onto botches because you know when we're when 01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:39.280 we're wheeling together only so much of us can 01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.119 you know video and do that we need a camera guy 01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:46.130 man you need a camera guy We'll just hire one. 01:03:46.710 --> 01:03:49.150 Yeah, once we hit it big we'll hire our own camera 01:03:49.150 --> 01:03:56.429 guys Yeah, man, I mean that's an hour It's been 01:03:56.429 --> 01:03:59.030 real we'll catch you guys later. I appreciate 01:03:59.030 --> 01:04:01.769 you guys. Thanks for a great year. Yeah