WEBVTT 00:00:01.160 --> 00:00:03.399 Hey, you're gonna hear us in a second. It's me 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:05.960 and Gavin telling you about a recovery. I just 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:08.779 want to know Oh, this is editor Alex, by the 00:00:08.779 --> 00:00:11.320 way, should I do some like time travel noises? 00:00:11.619 --> 00:00:14.740 This is like a week and a half of the future 00:00:14.740 --> 00:00:17.820 I just want to note. This is actually our episode 00:00:17.820 --> 00:00:22.920 100 or the hundredth time that you have downloaded 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:29.480 a botches off -road podcast Yeah, we'll put it 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:31.600 that way because you know we got the trailer 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:37.340 we've got a bunch of uh unnumbered episodes uh 00:00:37.340 --> 00:00:40.520 stuff like the drum and island drama you know 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:44.280 all that bullshit um i didn't number that i didn't 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:45.700 want to get credit for it i just wanted to get 00:00:45.700 --> 00:00:49.340 the information out there i've kind of stopped 00:00:49.340 --> 00:00:52.979 doing that we haven't done it in a while so this 00:00:52.979 --> 00:00:56.420 is the hundredth time you have heard from us 00:00:56.420 --> 00:00:59.780 i know let there be like Balloons popping or 00:00:59.780 --> 00:01:02.359 something in the background or fireworks. It's 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:05.299 pretty amazing I just want to thank you all for 00:01:05.299 --> 00:01:07.980 being on this journey with us and Glad you all 00:01:07.980 --> 00:01:10.060 are listening because this is a hell of a lot 00:01:10.060 --> 00:01:25.920 of fun to make Welcome to botches off -road recovery 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:32.090 join us as we tell you Toast stories and our 00:01:32.090 --> 00:01:36.569 recoveries. Yeah, it's our stories trail recoveries 00:01:36.569 --> 00:01:39.329 and Pulling out helpless old ladies out of the 00:01:39.329 --> 00:01:43.609 ditch With help of a tow truck. Yeah, so we're 00:01:43.609 --> 00:01:45.569 doing this impromptu because we were actually 00:01:45.569 --> 00:01:51.290 getting ready to record our hour and we and one 00:01:51.290 --> 00:01:53.469 of the white cloud Facebook pages or whatever 00:01:53.469 --> 00:01:56.549 we Earlier in the day someone went into a ditch 00:01:56.549 --> 00:01:59.739 and needed some actual like real help, not just 00:01:59.739 --> 00:02:03.640 a toe strap. And we offered me and Alex offered 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.420 at the same time without asking each other. We 00:02:06.420 --> 00:02:09.479 offered both of our voluntary services twice. 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:12.419 And they said, yeah, and they yeah, we didn't 00:02:12.419 --> 00:02:14.319 do it without it. We did it without asking each 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:17.099 other. We just volunteered both of us to do it 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:19.460 separately and didn't know it. Yeah. I messaged 00:02:19.460 --> 00:02:21.360 the lady. He messaged the lady. It was a good 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:25.460 time. Yeah. So. They ended up getting in contact 00:02:25.460 --> 00:02:27.360 with me later and saying, hey, you know, we got 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:28.960 a tow truck that's going to come out and do it. 00:02:28.979 --> 00:02:31.639 The issue was that she didn't have enough money 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:33.699 to call for a tow truck. So this tow truck was 00:02:33.699 --> 00:02:36.139 going to do it free. Well, he never ended up 00:02:36.139 --> 00:02:39.439 showing up. And what we started recording, what 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:42.219 was that, 7? About when we got the message? Yeah, 00:02:42.219 --> 00:02:45.219 I'd say about 7. Yeah, about 7 o 'clock, we just 00:02:45.219 --> 00:02:47.620 got done with our 30 -minute wrap. And then I 00:02:47.620 --> 00:02:49.659 got the message from her daughter saying, hey, 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.270 you know, she's still out there. is it possible 00:02:53.270 --> 00:02:57.770 for you guys to come take a look? I called the 00:02:57.770 --> 00:03:01.069 owner of the car and had it on speaker while 00:03:01.069 --> 00:03:03.990 we were in our video conference and got kind 00:03:03.990 --> 00:03:05.250 of the gist of it. And we're like, yeah, you 00:03:05.250 --> 00:03:06.909 know what? We'll come out. We'll at least take 00:03:06.909 --> 00:03:09.069 a look at it, see what we could do. Except this 00:03:09.069 --> 00:03:15.330 is the gist we got. It's about a foot bank against 00:03:15.330 --> 00:03:18.289 the tree. It's only like a foot off the road. 00:03:18.710 --> 00:03:21.189 It's not a steep bank. And it's a tree. And I'm 00:03:21.189 --> 00:03:25.830 like, All right. It wasn't very descriptive. 00:03:27.050 --> 00:03:29.270 She had back issues. And obviously, hitting that 00:03:29.270 --> 00:03:30.930 tree probably made them a lot worse, she said, 00:03:31.009 --> 00:03:32.409 because she had to climb out of the passenger 00:03:32.409 --> 00:03:35.229 side. Yeah, she wasn't going out the driver's 00:03:35.229 --> 00:03:38.729 side. No, that's for sure. So yeah, we ended 00:03:38.729 --> 00:03:41.490 up fueling up at Westco and driving there. And 00:03:41.490 --> 00:03:44.490 we got there. And we threw our side lights on, 00:03:44.550 --> 00:03:47.349 our ditch lights, and boom, sitting in the ditch. 00:03:47.659 --> 00:03:51.319 Man, that was a pretty deep ditch as ditches 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:56.000 go, as far as that shit goes. So the embankment, 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:59.080 I mean, I don't know what the degree angle was, 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.919 but it was maybe, the entire ditch might have 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:07.819 been two foot off the road, but it was a 10 to 00:04:07.819 --> 00:04:11.659 12 foot drop. It was deep. And it went down into 00:04:11.659 --> 00:04:14.580 a swamp. And the only thing stopping her from 00:04:14.580 --> 00:04:17.740 sliding all the way down in the swamp was there 00:04:17.740 --> 00:04:21.040 was like a big -ass oak tree or something that 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:23.040 she had slid into, and that's what stopped her 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:25.660 car. So yes, she was only like a foot and a half 00:04:25.660 --> 00:04:28.540 off the road, but that decline was like a 70 00:04:28.540 --> 00:04:30.480 -degree decline or something like that. Dude, 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.680 it was. And then she slid, like her front end 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:35.980 was, that had to have been a good, what, eight 00:04:35.980 --> 00:04:38.180 foot off the side, off the road down there. Oh, 00:04:38.300 --> 00:04:41.959 yeah. And then her rear end, which was a little 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.439 higher, was probably, what, six foot? Something 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.120 like that. It was taller than Alex, because Alex 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:48.879 went down there when he went to hook up stuff. 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.680 And it was way taller than he was. So anyway, 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.800 we're taking a look at it. We're planning. We're 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:57.920 trying to figure out our game plan for how we 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.319 want to try and do this. And she gives me a call, 00:05:00.819 --> 00:05:05.129 the owner. And she goes, hey, I finally got a 00:05:05.129 --> 00:05:06.990 call back from the tow truck. And in my mind, 00:05:07.050 --> 00:05:09.709 I'm like, of course. Of course you did. Every 00:05:09.709 --> 00:05:11.850 time me and Alex go and do a recovery out of 00:05:11.850 --> 00:05:13.870 the kindness of our hearts. And you know what? 00:05:13.870 --> 00:05:15.930 It's cool. It's free. We're banking on the good 00:05:15.930 --> 00:05:18.750 karma. But every time we get either right there 00:05:18.750 --> 00:05:21.370 or we're almost already out, they call us and 00:05:21.370 --> 00:05:23.189 tell us they figured it out. Someone's on the 00:05:23.189 --> 00:05:26.529 way, and they cancel. So this is the first time 00:05:26.529 --> 00:05:28.970 we actually got there. And she was like, yep, 00:05:28.970 --> 00:05:30.750 there's already a tow truck coming. I said, well. 00:05:31.129 --> 00:05:33.629 You know, we'll stay and we'll see if he wants 00:05:33.629 --> 00:05:35.810 any help. You know, typically tow truck companies 00:05:35.810 --> 00:05:39.310 don't usually ask for help, you know, for whatever 00:05:39.310 --> 00:05:41.870 reason or another. We all know why that could 00:05:41.870 --> 00:05:46.209 be. And so anyway, we waited and probably about 00:05:46.209 --> 00:05:49.379 15 minutes later. You know, we see some lights 00:05:49.379 --> 00:05:51.199 and we're like, hey, maybe that's him. No, that 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.019 looks a little too small. Turns out it was a 00:05:54.019 --> 00:05:56.459 sheriff. He saw our hazard lights because we 00:05:56.459 --> 00:05:59.100 have all of our trail lights. Our strobes, yeah. 00:05:59.259 --> 00:06:02.100 Yeah, our put on strobe for hazard because he's 00:06:02.100 --> 00:06:05.660 in the rear of the area. I'm in the front. And 00:06:05.660 --> 00:06:07.600 so the sheriff stopped and started talking to 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:09.300 us. He goes, hey, I just saw the hazards. I want 00:06:09.300 --> 00:06:11.379 to make sure everything's OK. I explained to 00:06:11.379 --> 00:06:13.259 him the situation. We're trying to help. He goes, 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.160 oh, yeah. He goes, we did get a call about this 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:18.370 earlier. And I said, yeah, you guys put the caution 00:06:18.370 --> 00:06:22.490 stuff on it. He's like, yep. And so we chit -chat 00:06:22.490 --> 00:06:25.110 a little bit, talked about his truck. And he 00:06:25.110 --> 00:06:27.430 goes, OK, cool. And I said, is everything good? 00:06:27.430 --> 00:06:29.230 We're good here? He goes, oh, yeah. Yeah, you're 00:06:29.230 --> 00:06:31.810 good. And then he's like, I just wanted to make 00:06:31.810 --> 00:06:33.670 sure you guys were OK. He turned around and left. 00:06:34.230 --> 00:06:35.889 A couple minutes later, the tow truck showed 00:06:35.889 --> 00:06:40.470 up. It was a flatbed. He pulled up. We chatted 00:06:40.470 --> 00:06:42.689 with him for a little bit. We offered our help. 00:06:42.709 --> 00:06:45.910 He said, you know what? Yeah, sure. Which was 00:06:45.910 --> 00:06:50.230 surprising. Honestly. And that was cool. So we 00:06:50.230 --> 00:06:53.329 got positioned. The tow truck backed up to the 00:06:53.329 --> 00:06:55.089 front of the car on the left side of the road. 00:06:55.810 --> 00:06:59.069 And I positioned myself originally on the passenger 00:06:59.069 --> 00:07:03.209 side of the tow truck. Alex took the rear behind 00:07:03.209 --> 00:07:07.670 the car. And looking back, I was actually thinking 00:07:07.670 --> 00:07:09.810 we should have put Gavin back here. His truck, 00:07:09.990 --> 00:07:12.930 it's quite a bit heavier. I'm glad we did it, 00:07:12.930 --> 00:07:15.910 because we needed the winch. And we'll get to 00:07:15.910 --> 00:07:18.810 that point in the story in a little bit. But 00:07:18.810 --> 00:07:23.029 there is an issue with your winch. Yeah. So yeah, 00:07:23.149 --> 00:07:26.110 we got Alex over there, and we started pulling 00:07:26.110 --> 00:07:29.430 winch line. And the idea basically was to have 00:07:29.430 --> 00:07:33.610 the flatbed get the front end of the car, on 00:07:33.610 --> 00:07:36.449 the control arm or whatever, and Alex on the 00:07:36.449 --> 00:07:39.069 rear end of the control arm, and have them both 00:07:39.649 --> 00:07:44.529 um, wind shit up, up the grade. And that was 00:07:44.529 --> 00:07:46.410 all fine and dandy, and it worked for a little 00:07:46.410 --> 00:07:50.889 bit until the weight of the car started pulling 00:07:50.889 --> 00:07:55.189 Alex's truck off the road. So... I mean, I wasn't 00:07:55.189 --> 00:07:57.370 going off the road. I turned my wheel and caught 00:07:57.370 --> 00:08:00.490 the shoulder, but... Yeah. But, I mean, honestly, 00:08:00.810 --> 00:08:03.230 it was pretty possible that he could have got 00:08:03.230 --> 00:08:05.410 pulled into if he kept going, though. I mean, 00:08:05.470 --> 00:08:08.470 it's... And that's not anything to do with Alex 00:08:08.470 --> 00:08:10.670 as much as it was that the whole road was ice. 00:08:11.129 --> 00:08:14.709 So we kind of had a feeling anyway. So as I saw 00:08:14.709 --> 00:08:17.550 Alex's tire move a little bit, I got in the FJ, 00:08:17.790 --> 00:08:20.370 pulled behind his truck just to anchor it just 00:08:20.370 --> 00:08:24.550 in case. And then we kind of stopped and we chatted 00:08:24.550 --> 00:08:27.209 with the tow truck driver. We came up with another 00:08:27.209 --> 00:08:31.310 plan to anchor my truck to the wheel to help 00:08:31.310 --> 00:08:35.710 pull it out onto the road. and to keep tension 00:08:35.710 --> 00:08:37.769 while he repositioned the truck so it didn't 00:08:37.769 --> 00:08:41.330 fall back into the ditch. So we ended up trying 00:08:41.330 --> 00:08:44.669 to get my winch line out so that I could get 00:08:44.669 --> 00:08:48.450 onto the front end of the car. And my winch line 00:08:48.450 --> 00:08:54.149 was frozen around the outside of the... What 00:08:54.149 --> 00:08:58.929 is that called? Fairly. Fairly, yeah. So I don't 00:08:58.929 --> 00:09:01.250 have one of those... Oh, yeah, go ahead. Yeah, 00:09:01.250 --> 00:09:05.720 for context, Gavin has a... yank them a fair 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:07.919 lead that uses, it doesn't have any metal in 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.340 it, right? The fair lead's there, but the actual 00:09:10.340 --> 00:09:12.980 hook is just basically the end of the line wrapped 00:09:12.980 --> 00:09:16.980 over itself. Which is great, it's super safe 00:09:16.980 --> 00:09:20.440 if it breaks, there's no metal involved. But 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.039 now we have found a downside to doing it because 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:25.639 if you've got it winched all the way in, it's 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:28.740 gonna freeze that way and it's stuck. Yeah, so 00:09:28.740 --> 00:09:31.539 we tried yanking and pulling that shit out and 00:09:31.539 --> 00:09:34.009 we were trying to get this done in a hurry. So 00:09:34.009 --> 00:09:37.289 could we have freed it? Yes. Did we necessarily 00:09:37.289 --> 00:09:39.090 want to waste the time to try and get that all 00:09:39.090 --> 00:09:43.789 free? No. So we ditched the winch idea. I repositioned 00:09:43.789 --> 00:09:47.889 again. We hooked his toe strap up to my rear 00:09:47.889 --> 00:09:52.590 point on the back of the truck. And then so I 00:09:52.590 --> 00:09:55.049 was, what, perpendicular with the road. Yep. 00:09:56.070 --> 00:09:57.909 Alex was winching and keeping the tension on 00:09:57.909 --> 00:10:01.350 the back end too. The guy, the tow truck driver, 00:10:01.389 --> 00:10:04.519 which we won't name the company. Just in case, 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.360 I imagine. Right, Alex? You're looking in the 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:11.700 sky. I'm just maybe liability issues with having 00:10:11.700 --> 00:10:15.179 people help. I don't know. OK. Better safe than 00:10:15.179 --> 00:10:17.500 sorry. The tow truck's driver name was Shannon. 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:23.440 Yes. The company started with an N. Yeah. And 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:25.720 it's not Jerry's. The name started with an N 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.059 and ended with an N and then towing. Yes. And 00:10:29.059 --> 00:10:31.870 it wasn't Jerry's, so. Super cool guy, by the 00:10:31.870 --> 00:10:34.629 way, Shannon. Very cool. Shannon pulls up. He's 00:10:34.629 --> 00:10:37.169 like, I would love your help. Your rigs are fucking 00:10:37.169 --> 00:10:41.070 cool. Yeah. He goes, dude, fucking sick rigs. 00:10:41.129 --> 00:10:42.830 I'm like, sweet, dude. I know you're going to 00:10:42.830 --> 00:10:46.889 be chill. So yeah. So anyway, we all got positioned. 00:10:46.970 --> 00:10:49.730 We all got ready. Then pretty much at the same 00:10:49.730 --> 00:10:53.230 time, I drove to the other side of the road to 00:10:53.230 --> 00:10:56.450 help pull the car out. Shannon, the tow truck 00:10:56.450 --> 00:10:59.879 driver. He winched the car up after he had repositions 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:03.840 to get a better pull on it. And Alex kept tension 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:06.360 in the back and kept watch to make sure nothing 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:09.980 shitty was going on. And boom, just like that, 00:11:09.980 --> 00:11:14.100 we started pulling it and we got pretty much 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:15.980 the whole car pulled right up onto the road. 00:11:16.980 --> 00:11:19.679 We unhooked our ... Alex unhooked his winch, 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:21.980 I unhooked the strap, threw that in the seat, 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:27.919 and Shannon pretty much did the rest. He repositioned 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.379 a little bit, dropped the flatbed, got the car 00:11:30.379 --> 00:11:32.320 on there, and we were able to help that woman. 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.879 So this was, as far as our recoveries that me 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.259 and Alex have done together, this was the hardest 00:11:39.259 --> 00:11:42.779 one yet. And it would have been a lot harder 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:46.799 if it was just me and him. I think we would have 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:48.960 done it, but I think the weight issue and how 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.100 far the car was down there definitely would have 00:11:51.100 --> 00:11:53.779 affected us a little. We had to get more technical 00:11:53.779 --> 00:11:56.360 with it. Because Shannon was there with his big 00:11:56.360 --> 00:11:58.840 -ass tow truck, he took a huge load off of us. 00:11:59.419 --> 00:12:04.940 And I think it was a good recovery for us, dude. 00:12:04.940 --> 00:12:08.899 That was not a tiny recovery. That was not pulling 00:12:08.899 --> 00:12:10.720 a little car out of a ditch or out of a driveway. 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:15.440 That was a deep ditch that required some thought, 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.679 like some actual planning, which... Yeah. That 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:23.000 was definitely the most complicated recovery 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.529 I have ever done. And I know Alex has a lot more 00:12:26.529 --> 00:12:28.409 experience, which is why I let him take the lead 00:12:28.409 --> 00:12:32.309 on it. That was up there with one of the hardest 00:12:32.309 --> 00:12:35.210 ones I've done. I've done one really similar 00:12:35.210 --> 00:12:38.909 on a mountainside, which is way scarier, because 00:12:38.909 --> 00:12:42.889 you fuck up once, and your rig and the rig getting 00:12:42.889 --> 00:12:47.629 pulled out is going over. But effectively, it 00:12:47.629 --> 00:12:50.950 was the same thing. Just no snow and ice. Yeah, 00:12:51.129 --> 00:12:53.909 and less danger. The grip was the biggest thing. 00:12:54.049 --> 00:12:57.049 If we had clear roads and grip, we would have 00:12:57.049 --> 00:13:00.389 been a lot better off, I think. We probably honestly 00:13:00.389 --> 00:13:02.350 could have done it with the two of us, one on 00:13:02.350 --> 00:13:03.950 the front, one on the back, pulled it sideways. 00:13:04.570 --> 00:13:07.529 Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I think the biggest 00:13:07.529 --> 00:13:10.210 thing with that was just, it would just him, 00:13:11.029 --> 00:13:13.070 the way that he was set up, Alex was already 00:13:13.070 --> 00:13:15.870 moving and that car wasn't even, it didn't even 00:13:15.870 --> 00:13:19.049 go up a, well, you'd probably say it hadn't even 00:13:19.049 --> 00:13:21.389 moved two feet yet. No, I started, I started 00:13:21.389 --> 00:13:24.870 moving almost immediately. Yeah. So I was just 00:13:24.870 --> 00:13:26.970 enough to keep it from falling farther into the 00:13:26.970 --> 00:13:29.289 tree. That was about it. Yeah. So we would have 00:13:29.289 --> 00:13:31.250 had to like counter anchor onto a tree behind 00:13:31.250 --> 00:13:34.570 us. And then it would have got a lot more technical, 00:13:34.570 --> 00:13:37.970 but other than that though, it, uh, it went really 00:13:37.970 --> 00:13:42.289 well. Um, I am sure she is very happy that, uh, 00:13:42.429 --> 00:13:44.809 and shout out, like I said, we won't name the 00:13:44.809 --> 00:13:48.190 tow truck company because of Maybe we don't want 00:13:48.190 --> 00:13:50.529 to get anyone in trouble just in case but shout 00:13:50.529 --> 00:13:54.970 out to Shannon Because he came out there and 00:13:54.970 --> 00:13:58.190 the tow truck company did it for free Yep, and 00:13:58.190 --> 00:14:00.250 that's a big one dude people people don't do 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:03.629 that He did he took our number because I guess 00:14:03.629 --> 00:14:05.509 he gets a lot of off -road recovery jobs that 00:14:05.509 --> 00:14:09.470 he just can't do so Yeah, so we might be starting 00:14:09.470 --> 00:14:13.250 up an LLC here soon here botches recovery botches 00:14:13.250 --> 00:14:15.769 recovered clinic Just enough that we can get 00:14:15.769 --> 00:14:17.309 insurance. That's all I care about. I don't want 00:14:17.309 --> 00:14:19.070 to make money off it. I just want to be able 00:14:19.070 --> 00:14:22.090 to hold insurance that if something goes wrong 00:14:22.090 --> 00:14:24.570 and we get sued, we have something to fall on. 00:14:24.929 --> 00:14:27.009 Yeah. And so that was the other big thing, too, 00:14:27.029 --> 00:14:28.830 because once in the beginning when he told us 00:14:28.830 --> 00:14:31.250 that, I'm sorry, when the lady told us that he 00:14:31.250 --> 00:14:33.929 was coming, we kind of hands -offed it for a 00:14:33.929 --> 00:14:35.429 second because we're like, okay, if he's going 00:14:35.429 --> 00:14:38.370 to do it, he's got insurance. We're going to 00:14:38.370 --> 00:14:41.009 let him do his thing. And if he needs help, we 00:14:41.009 --> 00:14:44.049 can help him. Otherwise, we weren't there. You 00:14:44.049 --> 00:14:47.870 know what I mean? So with that one, that was 00:14:47.870 --> 00:14:50.309 one of those that you would be glad to have insurance 00:14:50.309 --> 00:14:55.730 for. Because I shit you not, her driver's side 00:14:55.730 --> 00:14:59.429 door was in the tree. She was not open. It all 00:14:59.429 --> 00:15:01.809 caved in. And I should have took pictures of 00:15:01.809 --> 00:15:04.990 that. I'll probably put some pictures up, and 00:15:04.990 --> 00:15:06.990 I'll send them into our group chat for just the 00:15:06.990 --> 00:15:09.110 show notes, the chapter. Maybe we'll throw a 00:15:09.110 --> 00:15:11.070 couple chapters in here just for the pictures. 00:15:12.539 --> 00:15:16.539 But yeah, no, somehow her airbags didn't go off. 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.539 Maybe her airbags didn't work. It was a shitty 00:15:19.539 --> 00:15:25.259 Acadia. But honestly, her car. Equinox, yeah, 00:15:25.259 --> 00:15:29.820 sure. Same thing. Same thing. So I mean, but 00:15:29.820 --> 00:15:32.399 her glass didn't break. She didn't have airbags 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:34.399 go off. She must have not been moving very fast 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.879 at all and just kind of slid, which was her saving 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:40.039 grace. Because I think if she was going 15, 20 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:41.500 mile an hour, it would have been a lot worse. 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:43.460 she would have been down there at the bottom 00:15:43.460 --> 00:15:46.860 of the creek. And then at that point, that might 00:15:46.860 --> 00:15:48.799 have been easier for us to recover her, but she 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.559 probably wouldn't be driving it the next day. 00:15:51.259 --> 00:15:55.799 And as it was, as we saw it, as shit boxes go, 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:58.460 you could probably drive that the next day. I 00:15:58.460 --> 00:16:00.240 don't know. Yeah, it definitely could have been 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:01.960 driven again. I mean, it would have made a lot 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.440 of noise. What was that? What's the pillar? Was 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.019 it the B pillar or whatever? The one that the 00:16:06.019 --> 00:16:08.279 door's on? Yeah, it was the B pillar that was 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:10.799 crushed. Yeah, that was crushed in pretty good. 00:16:10.899 --> 00:16:13.080 So there was definitely a little gap from the 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:16.000 driver's door getting closed, but it opened and 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:20.120 closed. So you might have a little ventilation 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:23.539 issue going on. But I will say I was impressed 00:16:23.539 --> 00:16:25.899 crawling under there. Usually those equinoxes 00:16:25.899 --> 00:16:28.419 are pretty rotted out. That one was pretty clean. 00:16:29.220 --> 00:16:32.419 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, shout out to Alex 00:16:32.419 --> 00:16:34.600 for doing the dirty work. I did some filming. 00:16:35.400 --> 00:16:37.679 And because he is more experienced, I let him 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:39.779 take lead on it because I didn't know exactly. 00:16:41.299 --> 00:16:43.360 Now, kind of as I was talking to them, I kind 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:47.179 of got a better idea. My original idea was maybe 00:16:47.179 --> 00:16:49.799 just the wheels to help try to pull it out. They 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.340 went for the control arms, which is a lot sturdier, 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.919 obviously, which I knew, too, but I just didn't 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.159 know where else to hook it to other than that. 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.639 So, you know, and even control arms, I hate hooking 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.400 the control arms, but. on an Equinox like that, 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.160 there's nothing to hook to. Yeah, and that's 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.900 the problem with those types of cars, city cars. 00:17:10.460 --> 00:17:13.380 We actually, what we ended up using in the back, 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.299 because that's the worst spot's the back. There's 00:17:15.299 --> 00:17:22.240 nothing to hook to. Shannon had this strap that 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.819 he had made that had a hook to hook onto points 00:17:25.819 --> 00:17:29.319 on the frame. And then he hooked that, ran it 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:31.140 to the back, and then I hooked the winch to that. 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.150 Yeah. So that worked really well. Yep. And then, 00:17:35.150 --> 00:17:39.049 of course, when I went to help pull out, I did 00:17:39.049 --> 00:17:42.529 hook up to the wheel just to help kind of slide 00:17:42.529 --> 00:17:45.869 it out. Because the way that he was pulling it, 00:17:46.329 --> 00:17:48.589 it just would have kept kind of pushing down 00:17:48.589 --> 00:17:51.589 into the ditch. So we needed to have a way to 00:17:51.589 --> 00:17:54.089 get it out onto the road and have a force to 00:17:54.089 --> 00:17:57.130 keep it from sliding down. So honestly, it worked 00:17:57.130 --> 00:17:59.269 really well for the three of us being there. 00:17:59.450 --> 00:18:03.940 That was best case scenario. I'm sure he'll have 00:18:03.940 --> 00:18:06.079 a nice little story to tell, too, when he talks 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:10.579 to his other drivers. So I'm sure we'll be getting 00:18:10.579 --> 00:18:13.299 some calls in the middle of the night now. Yeah, 00:18:13.500 --> 00:18:16.019 that'll be our luck. Well, and that's why I got 00:18:16.019 --> 00:18:18.799 a hold of... I had Alex take the number, because 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.160 my phone's usually on silent most of the time. 00:18:23.460 --> 00:18:25.259 Maybe I'll have to start putting the ringer on 00:18:25.259 --> 00:18:29.210 now just for Alex, but... Were we going to get 00:18:29.210 --> 00:18:31.269 calls in the middle of the night? I would say 00:18:31.269 --> 00:18:32.710 that if I'm getting up at three in the morning 00:18:32.710 --> 00:18:35.849 to pull someone out of a small ditch, then gas 00:18:35.849 --> 00:18:39.170 money would be nice. It was nice that we did 00:18:39.170 --> 00:18:42.309 it free for the old lady. We didn't even go and 00:18:42.309 --> 00:18:45.549 talk to her after. So we left the tow truck driver. 00:18:45.730 --> 00:18:49.309 We told him she was only 100 yards down the road. 00:18:50.269 --> 00:18:52.690 So which is really nice for him, too, because 00:18:52.690 --> 00:18:55.240 he doesn't have to drive it anywhere. Just up 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:57.460 the road a little and turns out he turned around 00:18:57.460 --> 00:19:01.220 in her driveway. Anyway, so it was perfect so 00:19:01.220 --> 00:19:03.920 we loved him to go drop it off and take care 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.680 of it and which a matter of fact while I'm While 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:09.299 I'm talking here. I'm gonna message the daughter 00:19:09.299 --> 00:19:11.480 just in case and let her know that we already 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:18.960 messenger Oh, did you good? Sweet So that that 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.599 was our little fun for the night and then on 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:22.579 our way, you know and then I had some weird clicking 00:19:22.579 --> 00:19:26.970 going on and I don't know what that was, but 00:19:26.970 --> 00:19:29.490 it was kind of scary because I've never had that 00:19:29.490 --> 00:19:34.029 click for. But I was pulling a heavy car in four 00:19:34.029 --> 00:19:39.490 low. Heavy -ish. Heavy. Anything you're pulling 00:19:39.490 --> 00:19:43.369 up a hill like that I feel like is heavier. So 00:19:43.369 --> 00:19:47.390 that's like the second time that I've done something 00:19:47.390 --> 00:19:50.240 pretty heavy like that. I'm just like... After 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.259 that, you're, of course, I'm looking for sounds. 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:53.839 You know, it's like the last thing you want is 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.539 like your diff to go or like snap a CV or something, 00:19:57.619 --> 00:19:59.339 which I wouldn't have snapped a CV. I would have 00:19:59.339 --> 00:20:02.779 broke loose before that, but it just, um, just 00:20:02.779 --> 00:20:05.519 one of those things. And then, you know, we were 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.940 good. We, uh, we took off, said goodbye to Shannon. 00:20:09.019 --> 00:20:11.680 You know, it was, he was, like I said, he was 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:13.700 probably the coolest truck driver I've ever met. 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:18.119 Cool dude. My cousin's a tow truck driver. He's 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:20.900 a pretty cool tow truck driver, so. Yeah, coolest 00:20:20.900 --> 00:20:25.380 tow truck driver I've ever met. And so he told 00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:28.220 us, hey, if you guys need any help, give me a 00:20:28.220 --> 00:20:31.400 call. That's a good card to bank. We might need 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:34.240 that someday, especially with our shit boxes. 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:36.440 There might be a day where we're just like, hey, 00:20:36.500 --> 00:20:41.019 can you flat tow us five miles home? So yeah, 00:20:41.019 --> 00:20:44.099 that was really cool of him. We got out of there. 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:47.579 Started driving home and you know, we're we're 00:20:47.579 --> 00:20:51.119 team flashing everyone who's flashing us You 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.539 know, we got it. We got like a Bronco or something 00:20:53.539 --> 00:20:55.460 that flashed me and I couldn't get it fast enough 00:20:55.460 --> 00:20:59.880 So Alex gives him the Sun and yeah We did that 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:01.900 a little bit and then the there was an oncoming 00:21:01.900 --> 00:21:05.160 car. What was that again? The oncoming car. I 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:08.660 don't even know it maybe an honor either Yeah, 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.660 but it was driving and it got about window to 00:21:11.660 --> 00:21:14.799 window with me on coming. They got you know, 00:21:15.140 --> 00:21:17.099 that amount of distance from me, and all of a 00:21:17.099 --> 00:21:19.500 sudden I hear a smack, and I'm like, motherfucker. 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:22.500 This thing, from where I was at, I just watched 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:24.619 this thing take flight. Like, it went a good 00:21:24.619 --> 00:21:27.740 two to three feet in the air. Yeah. So I radio 00:21:27.740 --> 00:21:30.059 back at Alex, I'm like, what the fuck was that, 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:32.319 dude? It sounded like he just hit me, but he 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.599 didn't hit me. And Alex goes, dude, I think he 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:37.500 just hit a fucking dead deer in the road, because 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:39.420 he just jumped that fucking cone. There was, 00:21:39.539 --> 00:21:42.900 when I went by, like, that spot, there was this... 00:21:42.430 --> 00:21:44.769 Dead deer had been hit recently, but it wasn't 00:21:44.769 --> 00:21:47.549 like he had hit it, right? Yeah, like it was 00:21:47.549 --> 00:21:50.890 really dead, but he hit that head on it just 00:21:50.890 --> 00:21:53.769 Took flight. Oh, dude. Yeah, anyone slow down 00:21:53.769 --> 00:21:56.470 kept going see and that's what happened to me 00:21:56.470 --> 00:21:59.269 with my Subaru Baja I jumped it just like that 00:21:59.269 --> 00:22:02.809 and And dude that was scary and then the cool 00:22:02.809 --> 00:22:05.069 thing with the Subaru is I had no actual damage 00:22:05.069 --> 00:22:07.950 I just had a hair all the way down my undercarriage, 00:22:07.950 --> 00:22:11.670 but he hit he broke plastic for sure. So here 00:22:11.670 --> 00:22:15.279 that I did that back when I had my little Buick 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.299 Roadmaster wagon. We were driving in Big Rapids, 00:22:18.740 --> 00:22:21.079 and along Big Rapids, they've got like the shoulders 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:24.180 got a cement curb on it, right? And it goes down 00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:26.400 for each entrance. Well, I was middle of winter, 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.579 and I thought that I was in the lane, but I'd 00:22:28.579 --> 00:22:31.400 ended up on that section where there are all 00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:34.000 those dips. And I hit one of those at like 40 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:36.880 miles an hour and put the whole Roadmaster up 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:41.759 on two wheels. Oh, yeah. No damage. The car was 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:45.220 fine. Yeah. Yeah, you get lucky sometimes. I 00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:47.700 got lucky with the Subaru, but I'm pretty sure 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:53.380 that was one of the Xs out of the three strikes 00:22:53.380 --> 00:22:55.200 that fucked my training cooler line, because 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:57.819 I jumped that. I didn't have any battery straps 00:22:57.819 --> 00:23:00.059 holding down the battery. I'm assuming that's 00:23:00.059 --> 00:23:02.440 one of the things that did the nice kink in my 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:06.559 transcooler line. And eventually, I started it 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:08.579 up and it sprung a leak probably a couple months 00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:11.059 later. which is fine. I went to AutoZone, grabbed 00:23:11.059 --> 00:23:16.059 some hose, got a pipe saw, cut the trainy cooler 00:23:16.059 --> 00:23:19.559 line through the rubber hose on it, put two hose 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:21.180 clamps on either side, threw the battery back 00:23:21.180 --> 00:23:24.740 on top, and I was good to go. Yeah, that was 00:23:24.740 --> 00:23:27.279 a fun recovery, man. That was fun. Like I said, 00:23:27.339 --> 00:23:30.960 a lot of the times we get called out, and by 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.799 the time Bach's recovery responds and gets there, 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:36.950 we have a quick response time. We do. You can 00:23:36.950 --> 00:23:39.609 hear, by the time we're done talking, our pants, 00:23:39.690 --> 00:23:42.430 you can hear our belts getting put on. Like, 00:23:44.309 --> 00:23:46.210 yeah, Alex calls me up and he's like, you want 00:23:46.210 --> 00:23:47.849 to go? And I'm like, ah, fuck it. I ain't doing 00:23:47.849 --> 00:23:50.269 nothing else. Let's go. So that time you called 00:23:50.269 --> 00:23:53.990 me at like two in the morning and we weren't 00:23:53.990 --> 00:23:55.829 even off the phone yet. You're like, so do you 00:23:55.829 --> 00:23:57.309 want to do this? I'm like, dude, I'm already 00:23:57.309 --> 00:24:00.990 in the car. Yeah. Yeah. And then we ended up 00:24:00.990 --> 00:24:03.329 meeting at the wrong spot. Like he, I thought 00:24:03.329 --> 00:24:06.640 he used the old name for lep inks. Yeah, plums. 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:10.940 Plums. And I thought he meant jeans. So I'm sitting 00:24:10.940 --> 00:24:13.599 at jeans waiting for him. He's sitting at Lepping's 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:16.599 waiting for me. And then I call him and tell 00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:18.839 him, like, hey, she canceled. And he goes, well, 00:24:18.859 --> 00:24:21.660 where the fuck were you? And he's like, I've 00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:23.480 been here. He goes, no, you weren't. And I'm 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:26.319 like, the fuck? And then we finally sorted that 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.799 out like a day later. Well, you didn't even fucking 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:31.980 show up, and I'm like, I was here. I've been 00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:34.619 here, motherfucker. I've been here like 15 minutes. 00:24:34.859 --> 00:24:37.619 I'm like, I've been here, motherfucker. Yeah, 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:42.299 we had a coordination issue there. But hey, we 00:24:42.299 --> 00:24:45.200 responded. That's all that matters. So it's good, 00:24:45.380 --> 00:24:48.279 though. We got things figured out now. We don't 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:50.779 screw that up. Most of the time, it's in White 00:24:50.779 --> 00:24:52.619 Cloud. I don't know what White Cloud's issue 00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:54.819 is. But most of the time, everything's in White 00:24:54.819 --> 00:24:58.859 Cloud. Math. Yeah, meth. So now we just meet 00:24:58.859 --> 00:25:02.339 at Leppings, which I don't know why we ever do, 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.259 because every time we go to meet at Leppings, 00:25:04.779 --> 00:25:07.059 by the time we both get into town, we're both 00:25:07.059 --> 00:25:08.559 hitting the light at about the same time. We 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:10.759 always call an audible and go to Westco, because 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:13.859 we need to fill up. Dude, every time. I don't 00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:16.259 know why we just don't meet at Westco. Well, 00:25:16.259 --> 00:25:18.740 we'll make Westco the new default then. Yeah, 00:25:18.740 --> 00:25:21.160 that's our default meetup for Bach's recovery. 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.880 So yeah, we might have to start a business up 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:27.519 here. I have a feeling it's only gonna get more 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:30.539 busy. I'm not really looking to, like, make money 00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:32.900 off this. I just want to have insurance in case 00:25:32.900 --> 00:25:35.819 something happens. Yeah, I mean, and depending 00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:38.380 on how bad insurance is, it would be nice to 00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:42.259 have all of us on it anyway. But, like, I guess, 00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:45.440 you know, with my situation too, a little bit 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.420 of extra money to pay for recovery equipment, 00:25:47.619 --> 00:25:50.079 that would be about all I would want. Pay for 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.220 gas, pay for recovery equipment. So whatever 00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:55.779 people want to pay us is what I'm usually gonna 00:25:55.779 --> 00:25:58.960 be cool with. And even, I wouldn't even be too 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:00.900 worried about, I wouldn't be too worried about 00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:03.059 gas even, just enough to pay for the insurance 00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:05.940 and some equipment, I'm happy. Yeah, the only 00:26:05.940 --> 00:26:08.759 thing for me is gas is what gets me, literally 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.759 is what gets me out there. Right, right. So if 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.880 they're like, hey, we'll pay your gas, I'm like, 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.119 ah, good, because that's all I literally have, 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.059 and that's for something else. So usually... 00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.519 That's when I'm okay with someone paying for 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.579 it. So, but yeah, no, it was good. I felt really 00:26:26.579 --> 00:26:28.420 good about helping the old lady. I'm glad that 00:26:28.420 --> 00:26:32.480 we could all get it done. Um, so yeah, that was, 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:35.279 that was pretty cool. I think, I think, uh, looking 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.859 back on that now, Alex, things that you wish 00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:42.380 we had for that recovery that we didn't. What 00:26:42.380 --> 00:26:44.980 were you, what do you think? I wish we had different, 00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:47.619 uh, fair, well, not necessarily fair leads, but 00:26:47.619 --> 00:26:51.609 different hooks on our winches. Um, I gotta change 00:26:51.609 --> 00:26:56.230 that stupid, whatever, 555 fab or whatever it's 00:26:56.230 --> 00:26:59.650 called. I gotta change that thing. It was like 00:26:59.650 --> 00:27:03.130 the go -to three years ago, and they're annoying 00:27:03.130 --> 00:27:08.130 as hell. Basically, the problem is I have to 00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:12.690 use a D -ring for almost anything. Right. And 00:27:12.690 --> 00:27:15.809 that just, that really limits what I can and 00:27:15.809 --> 00:27:18.630 can't do. I'd rather get a small soft shackle 00:27:18.630 --> 00:27:20.519 through there, can you? Yeah, and I'm technically 00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.279 not supposed to, because it's not set up for 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.740 a soft shackle. Yeah, I know. I just did, because 00:27:24.740 --> 00:27:28.240 I forgot my D ring. Right. Yeah, and I had a 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.140 couple, but they're probably frozen on there. 00:27:30.619 --> 00:27:35.799 And for my end, actually, my end is really nice 00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:39.019 for just about everything else. But I don't really 00:27:39.019 --> 00:27:42.619 ever use my winch in snow. And we just got done 00:27:42.619 --> 00:27:46.670 with a major melt and then refreeze. So everything 00:27:46.670 --> 00:27:50.589 was frozen, including my line across that was, 00:27:50.690 --> 00:27:53.230 um, it's kind of just looped onto the fair lead, 00:27:53.250 --> 00:27:56.109 but it was frozen onto it. And it was so frozen 00:27:56.109 --> 00:27:57.890 that we couldn't even get it off by, you know, 00:27:57.970 --> 00:27:59.849 with hand. We only, like I said, we only tried 00:27:59.849 --> 00:28:03.269 for like two minutes max. And then we were like, 00:28:03.329 --> 00:28:05.450 fuck it. Let's move on to something else. So 00:28:05.450 --> 00:28:08.470 I do think if I kept my heat gun in the truck, 00:28:08.630 --> 00:28:10.609 that probably would have helped a lot. Cause 00:28:10.609 --> 00:28:12.769 then we could just hit it real quick and off 00:28:12.769 --> 00:28:16.250 it would go. Yeah. I think knowing that, knowing 00:28:16.250 --> 00:28:18.950 what I know now, I have those D -rings in the 00:28:18.950 --> 00:28:22.049 front. Maybe I just take my winch line, pull 00:28:22.049 --> 00:28:25.849 it out about six, whatever inches I need to make 00:28:25.849 --> 00:28:29.349 a small droop to get in the D -ring. And in the 00:28:29.349 --> 00:28:31.970 winter, I just hang it from the D -ring. So I 00:28:31.970 --> 00:28:33.970 have that little bit extra there. Because if 00:28:33.970 --> 00:28:38.109 I need to, me and Alex, we're going to try, obviously, 00:28:38.210 --> 00:28:39.690 to do the recoveries together. It's always better 00:28:39.690 --> 00:28:44.029 two versus one. So, if the case that it freezes 00:28:44.029 --> 00:28:46.009 like that, I could just hook up to him and back 00:28:46.009 --> 00:28:48.690 up with the winch on free spool, and we'll get 00:28:48.690 --> 00:28:52.950 that bitch unfrozen, but... Yeah, synthetic line 00:28:52.950 --> 00:28:55.670 is really great. I don't like it in the winter. 00:28:56.670 --> 00:28:59.250 Yeah, I mean, it is. When you get all the water 00:28:59.250 --> 00:29:01.109 soaked into the fibers and everything freezes 00:29:01.109 --> 00:29:02.789 together like an ice block, yeah, that could 00:29:02.789 --> 00:29:05.750 be tough. I guess that's why they want them a 00:29:05.750 --> 00:29:07.869 little bit more weatherproofed and covered, right? 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.319 but yeah I don't cover mine so mine is even worse 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.500 than yours actually mine is a lot more covered 00:29:14.500 --> 00:29:18.079 than because it's a hidden winch bumper so I 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.880 do have a lot more protection um around it so 00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:23.880 I guess I do have that going for it but it still 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.019 gets it gets you know moisture and water up in 00:29:26.019 --> 00:29:28.880 it whereas mine just following cars mine just 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.039 hangs off the front of the truck yeah yeah you 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.119 just and I gave you a cover for that too yeah 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.470 I broke it What the fuck yeah, I didn't last 00:29:37.470 --> 00:29:41.529 very long damn it I Had someone I had someone 00:29:41.529 --> 00:29:44.910 else give me a cover too. I and I had the same 00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:48.190 problem. They just Once it gets cold out they 00:29:48.190 --> 00:29:51.329 crack Yeah, and then fall apart and it's like 00:29:51.329 --> 00:29:53.670 What's the point in having a cover if I can't 00:29:53.670 --> 00:29:55.369 even keep it on the truck without it breaking 00:29:55.369 --> 00:29:59.609 when I need it, right? so other than that recovery 00:29:59.609 --> 00:30:02.309 equipment wise it's made me realize that like 00:30:02.589 --> 00:30:05.089 I didn't have blocks of tackle, which just would 00:30:05.089 --> 00:30:07.069 have been nice to have. We didn't need it for 00:30:07.069 --> 00:30:12.589 this one. I know Shannon used it on his just 00:30:12.589 --> 00:30:17.269 to help with the angle. But it would have been 00:30:17.269 --> 00:30:20.829 nice for us to have. We could have hooked to 00:30:20.829 --> 00:30:24.369 a tree across the road and positioned our vehicles 00:30:24.369 --> 00:30:28.150 in maybe a little bit better advantageous position. 00:30:28.569 --> 00:30:32.519 And that might have been the better idea. Once 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.059 you get doing it over that amount of distance, 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:38.180 that gets to be too complicated. Oh, I mean, 00:30:38.180 --> 00:30:41.039 I agree. I just mean as far as the amount of 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:42.779 weight that was pulling our cars, that would 00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:45.500 have helped with that, I imagine. And then we 00:30:45.500 --> 00:30:47.859 could have anchored our cars together on the 00:30:47.859 --> 00:30:51.059 other end if we really wanted to. But yeah, I 00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:54.140 mean, block and tackle in general, that would 00:30:54.140 --> 00:30:57.880 have been nice to have just for any other recoveries. 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:01.509 If we find something that's more Uh, complicated 00:31:01.509 --> 00:31:04.410 than this, it would be, it would be good to have 00:31:04.410 --> 00:31:07.069 to help get different angles, uh, for recovery. 00:31:07.289 --> 00:31:09.890 But, and then the other thing was, uh, which 00:31:09.890 --> 00:31:14.190 we didn't need, but a tree saver. Um, I've been, 00:31:14.230 --> 00:31:15.769 I've been thinking about it for a long time, 00:31:15.769 --> 00:31:19.029 uh, that I need one and I know I do. I have like 00:31:19.029 --> 00:31:23.589 a 30 foot, four inch strap, but I don't have 00:31:23.589 --> 00:31:27.710 any like tree savers. So, um, I already have 00:31:27.710 --> 00:31:29.789 some in my car. I'm just going to order some. 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:32.720 Get next time I get money don't get something 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.099 like some crawler off -road or so I say get some 00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:38.420 from crawler don't We need to try and start getting 00:31:38.420 --> 00:31:41.700 away from these cheaper companies like me only 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:44.559 Mst guys don't come at me. Me only is kind of 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.059 a junk product I'm sorry. They've worked great 00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:51.779 for us so far their lines just they don't handle 00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:55.039 UV very well And we don't know what's in them 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.000 whereas crawler. I can tell you where they're 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.849 made and what's in them. Yeah So I mean I haven't 00:32:00.849 --> 00:32:02.849 like I said like he said already. I haven't had 00:32:02.849 --> 00:32:07.650 any issues with me only So I can't really say 00:32:07.650 --> 00:32:12.269 that it's a bad product per se There there are 00:32:12.269 --> 00:32:15.289 just better products out there And it's just 00:32:15.289 --> 00:32:17.970 not the worst one of not the best either exactly 00:32:17.970 --> 00:32:20.829 and one of the things I I would have a hard time 00:32:20.829 --> 00:32:23.609 You know all my me only stuff was given to me 00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:27.299 I have a hard time with cheap recovery gear, 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.839 because that can get dangerous really fast. Yeah. 00:32:32.180 --> 00:32:34.720 Very good tree saver, 30 bucks. Yeah, the one 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.960 from Crawler, the 3 by 8 foot. Yep. Crawler's 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:44.559 got good stuff, man. I've got nothing bad to 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:49.859 say about it. Versa Shackle, 716 by 32 for $64 00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:54.299 .99. That's a lot, actually. Is that a tree saver 00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:57.240 shackle, or is that just a... No, that's just 00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.019 a long... Long soft shackle. That's just a long 00:33:00.019 --> 00:33:05.279 soft shackle. My lord. Yep, that is a very long 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:09.519 soft shackle. Yeah, 32 inches. Is that the only 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:13.180 soft shackle they've got? I'm looking. Oh, they 00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:16.660 have a soft shackle area. It's only got one in 00:33:16.660 --> 00:33:20.180 it. I swear they had other ones. They must be 00:33:20.180 --> 00:33:24.970 low on stock or something. So you think outer 00:33:24.970 --> 00:33:29.150 recovery cure gets Wow, what did I recovery gear 00:33:29.150 --> 00:33:34.589 kits? Nothing. Yeah, they're low on quality or 00:33:34.589 --> 00:33:40.150 low on quality. Well, I'm assuming. Yeah, I think 00:33:40.150 --> 00:33:44.109 I will. I'll look at some of their stuff, too. 00:33:44.470 --> 00:33:47.809 Really got gatekeeper off road. Easy switch to 00:33:47.809 --> 00:33:52.259 refunction. I do pods. All right. So Yeah, I 00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:55.019 mean, other than that, um, everything went well. 00:33:55.200 --> 00:34:02.519 I just want to. Wicked winch line. Monster rigging. 00:34:03.259 --> 00:34:05.420 If you go to monster rigging, they've actually 00:34:05.420 --> 00:34:08.400 got some smaller soft shackles. Yeah, those are 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.820 small. Those are about the size of the ones we've 00:34:11.820 --> 00:34:15.079 got now. Are they? They look smaller. Yeah. Three, 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.059 eight by 10 inch. It's about the same. And they 00:34:19.059 --> 00:34:21.099 are made from plasma rope, which is the highest 00:34:21.099 --> 00:34:24.019 strength synthetic rope available. Stronger and 00:34:24.019 --> 00:34:28.500 safer than steel shackles, yep. And which one 00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:31.639 is this? What size are these? Oh, you can choose 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.380 your size. Yeah. 40 bucks for a 3 -eighths by 00:34:35.380 --> 00:34:37.920 10 -inch though. Holy moly. Dude, that's good 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.380 quality. Yeah. I mean, I can't say that I disagree. 00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:45.519 I'm just saying, holy fuck. Like, it sucks, but. 00:34:47.369 --> 00:34:49.550 You're gonna pay for quality, you know? We don't 00:34:49.550 --> 00:34:51.769 want to be back in a situation where shit's breaking 00:34:51.769 --> 00:34:56.210 on us. Yeah. So, those are all 60 bucks for a 00:34:56.210 --> 00:34:59.449 516th by 10. So, yeah, it's an investment, that's 00:34:59.449 --> 00:35:00.809 for sure. And that's what I'm saying, is that, 00:35:00.809 --> 00:35:03.489 like, it would be nice to have the money to pay 00:35:03.489 --> 00:35:07.329 for more of this. So, like, a 3 .8s would do 00:35:07.329 --> 00:35:10.150 the equivalent to what my Meole one supposedly 00:35:10.150 --> 00:35:13.769 does. The 3 .8s by 10, which is 4 to 3 ,500. 00:35:15.070 --> 00:35:18.929 And... With the recoveries that we do, I would 00:35:18.929 --> 00:35:22.510 just be more comfortable with a larger one like 00:35:22.510 --> 00:35:25.809 that. Might not be needed, but I just would be 00:35:25.809 --> 00:35:28.789 more comfortable with using a soft shackle with 00:35:28.789 --> 00:35:31.750 that much of a break on it. So. Yeah. I just, 00:35:31.769 --> 00:35:34.150 for me, it's just, I want something safe. I don't 00:35:34.150 --> 00:35:37.570 want to be limping along, hoping not to die every 00:35:37.570 --> 00:35:39.929 time we use something. Yeah. I mean, I don't 00:35:39.929 --> 00:35:44.369 think, I don't mistrust Mealy like that. I just. 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:50.260 they do fade quite quickly. I mean, my kinetic 00:35:50.260 --> 00:35:53.760 rope from Mealy's great. But, you know, it's 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.940 just one of those where, like, it's an MST thing. 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:01.320 Like, they're cool. But, you know, in the future, 00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:05.880 we might want to get our own partnership, maybe, 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.260 per se. We might want to work with someone else. 00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:11.880 And if we can get with a Michigan -based company, 00:36:12.219 --> 00:36:16.300 which Crawler Off -Road is, I believe right you're 00:36:16.300 --> 00:36:19.059 looking yeah, they're out of Highland Yeah, so 00:36:19.059 --> 00:36:22.159 we can get to get with one of those. I you know 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:27.460 obviously we'd prefer that so Yeah, so what do 00:36:27.460 --> 00:36:30.559 you think anything else? Oh? No, I think we killed 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:32.920 it. It's not quite an hour, but I'll roll with 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.639 it Yeah, I mean other than other than what we 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.760 already spoke of the tree saver which we need 00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:44.989 to get and some really nice quality shackle, 00:36:45.150 --> 00:36:49.710 or not shackles, but, well, pulleys, whatever, 00:36:49.989 --> 00:36:54.010 block and tackle. Anything else that would help 00:36:54.010 --> 00:36:58.630 us. You know what? Orange cones. Some kind of 00:36:58.630 --> 00:37:02.550 roadblock. Because while we had really nice flashers, 00:37:02.710 --> 00:37:05.130 everybody liked our flashers, the sheriff, tow 00:37:05.130 --> 00:37:10.099 truck driver. That was funny. We had our... What 00:37:10.099 --> 00:37:13.699 company makes that? Lightning, mass ting, shine 00:37:13.699 --> 00:37:18.199 ting. Oh, mic tuning. Mic tuning. See, it was 00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:21.699 something ting. It was something Chinese. But 00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:23.719 those are really good switch panels. We've had 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.719 no issues with them. We programmed them to have 00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.920 our chaser lights and some of our auxiliary lights 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.699 flash for caution. because there was a hill pretty 00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:38.420 close to us. So oncoming cars, from what the 00:37:38.420 --> 00:37:41.000 owner was telling us, tend to fly down that hill. 00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:43.420 So we had those on so everybody could see us 00:37:43.420 --> 00:37:47.380 and that worked out really well. But some cones 00:37:47.380 --> 00:37:51.619 to create a safe distance would be really nice 00:37:51.619 --> 00:37:54.920 too. Maybe we could find some collapsible ones 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:58.119 or something. I'd like some that don't take up 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.380 much or any space really. Or like the triangles. 00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:05.639 triangles would work, too, like the emergency 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:09.179 triangles. So that was good. We had plenty of 00:38:09.179 --> 00:38:12.940 lighting between our two trucks. That whole scene 00:38:12.940 --> 00:38:17.239 was lit like it was fucking daytime. So we were 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:20.579 good there. Our winches were good. We just have 00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:23.920 to make some adjustments for winter. So I'm going 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.139 to have to make that small loop for mine just 00:38:26.139 --> 00:38:28.920 so I have something. And I'm going to do that 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.800 before we do our poker run in January. That way 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.800 we have that all set up and ready because I have 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.579 a feeling someone's gonna need to get winched. 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.840 Someone. Say, why are you looking at me through 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.820 the camera, man? Yeah, because I'm gonna make 00:38:43.820 --> 00:38:46.219 sure you remember your fucking GPS this time 00:38:46.219 --> 00:38:49.119 and you're gonna lead. Well... Because last time 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.539 I led... That's because I wasn't even in my truck 00:38:52.539 --> 00:38:56.219 and I had nowhere to even put a GPS. Yeah, so 00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:58.869 this time he's gonna be in his truck. And he's 00:38:58.869 --> 00:39:02.449 going to have the GPS, which, honestly, we know 00:39:02.449 --> 00:39:05.650 the course pretty decently already. We did it 00:39:05.650 --> 00:39:07.889 a couple months back. So we're already pretty 00:39:07.889 --> 00:39:09.630 familiar with how to get to everything, which 00:39:09.630 --> 00:39:13.789 is even better. I might say that gives us a leg 00:39:13.789 --> 00:39:16.510 up as far as time goes, as long as nothing happens. 00:39:16.909 --> 00:39:21.090 Yeah, I do. If a freeze like this. I do Everett 00:39:21.090 --> 00:39:25.449 runs pretty often, so. Yeah. The freeze like 00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:29.800 this that just happened. I don't love that. Yeah. 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.440 Because when that freezes over all those ice 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.679 puddles, all those giant chunks of ice, the roads 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:41.039 last year were slick as fuck. We were drifting 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:45.199 around corners at times. So, you know, I'd love 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.079 to do poker run in the winter on some fresh powder. 00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.860 That would be absolutely sick, but it doesn't 00:39:50.860 --> 00:39:52.820 look like we're gonna get that. Yeah, we don't 00:39:52.820 --> 00:39:56.860 get that lucky. No, it does look like it's gonna 00:39:56.860 --> 00:39:59.920 be a green winner from what Alex is saying Which 00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:02.780 means that by January, it'll probably fucking 00:40:02.780 --> 00:40:04.940 freeze up and we'll be on a sheet of glass again. 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.260 So That's unfortunate. Thankfully. We probably 00:40:09.260 --> 00:40:11.199 won't be the first group to each of these unless 00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.340 we volunteer in the mornings But I don't think 00:40:13.340 --> 00:40:15.639 we're going to because of how far we are away 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:19.980 Yeah, cuz we're a little over an hour away and 00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:22.780 it already takes us a good Bit of time to get 00:40:22.780 --> 00:40:25.500 up and get everyone ready the kids and I was 00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:27.880 thinking about volunteering But the amount of 00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.800 time it takes to get Jasper ready, and if I do 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.599 that I have to do it with someone else I don't 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:35.400 want to go and do that whole thing alone. It'll 00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.739 take me more time to do it by the time the actual 00:40:38.739 --> 00:40:42.239 things start so yeah, I have to work beforehand, 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.480 so it's hard for me to Get up there because it's 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.639 already an early event Yeah, what does it start 00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:51.719 at like 11? Yeah, something like that. I haven't 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:54.460 even looked. It's just like, it's a couple weeks 00:40:54.460 --> 00:40:58.219 away. I'm more like, tomorrow, today's Saturday 00:40:58.219 --> 00:41:03.059 or Friday? Today's still Friday. Okay. Tomorrow 00:41:03.059 --> 00:41:06.260 we have a Christmas party. Sunday we have a birthday 00:41:06.260 --> 00:41:10.840 party with my sister. So this weekend, I don't 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.440 even have time to do anything. So by then, it's 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.880 gonna be Christmas. Then after Christmas, it's 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.780 gonna be... Who knows? We're gonna have all sorts 00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:22.780 of shit go down after the refreeze on Christmas. 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.800 Yeah. It's gonna be rough. Yeah, we can call 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.139 it here. Sorry you guys didn't get a long episode. 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.360 Everything's out of whack, man. This whole week 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:39.000 has just been fucking hell, so... Yeah, you'll 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.719 probably hear the rap episode first. For sure. 00:41:43.699 --> 00:41:48.230 That way you know what our week was like. So, 00:41:48.329 --> 00:41:50.349 our week's all been crazy. We've had some crazy 00:41:50.349 --> 00:41:53.510 stuff happen. Everyone's feeling it. Probably 00:41:53.510 --> 00:41:57.429 get the wrap on Monday. This on Tuesday. The 00:41:57.429 --> 00:42:03.829 next wrap on Thursday. Yeah. It'll be good. It'll 00:42:03.829 --> 00:42:06.849 be good. Thanks, everybody, for joining Botch's 00:42:06.849 --> 00:42:11.210 recovery episode. As we get more weird recoveries 00:42:11.210 --> 00:42:13.369 like this, we'll update you. We'll do another. 00:42:13.389 --> 00:42:16.170 This could be a segment if they're crazy enough. 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.960 We'll keep it to 30 minutes though. So catch 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:21.019 you guys later. See you later.