Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk
about everything from gear reviews to trail stories,
tent camping to rock landing, and all things
to do with the outdoors. I think we're going
to roast Gavin's FJ in a little while, but first
we want to introduce a new segment. So all of
our Overland Off -Road podcast friends do a voicemail
segment where listeners call in to the number
that... They give and then they leave a voicemail
and then they play it on the episode. We respond
to it. So I've reached out to a couple of our
friends to get some voicemails for us to play
here today. But in the future, we'll leave a
phone number, which is 231 -335 -7415. If you
call that number, you can leave a voicemail.
Anything you want, podcast related. Truck related,
I don't give a damn. Just don't be corny. Games.
Games. I don't care. I really don't care. Whatever.
The Snail Trail guys, they've got people calling
for each other and trying to set up trips, but
they're broken up by like three months because
they're so far behind on voicemails. The first
one we've got here is from Bob Smith in Oregon.
Benji, we know it's you because it gives us your
color ID, so we know it's from Midwest Adventure
Outfitters. Bob Smith. But let's see what our
good friend Bob Smith has for us today. If I
can find Google Voice for you. Hopefully we'll
get some from our favorite listeners like Chibs
McDunkin and people like that. Yeah. All right,
here we go. I'll play some Bob Smith voicemail
for you. Yo, this is Bob Smith from Oregon. Oh,
that didn't work. One second. This is going to
be a learning experience, guys. Okay, ready?
Yo, this is Bob Smith from Oregon. I just wanted
to call in and tell you guys what a fantastic
job you're doing, and I'm a weekly listener.
And even on the days you don't have podcasts,
I'm still listening. Keep up the good work. And,
yeah, keep on trucking. Dude, Benji's a fucking
hoot. Yeah. He's great. Man, I've been seeing
Benji a lot more. Not because I'm stalking him
or anything, but I have a sweet spot for Benji
and Baker, and they're together a little bit
more, and I'm seeing them in videos. And it's
funny because, like, I don't know Benji. Like,
I've never met Benji. He shook his hand. But,
like, I feel like I kind of know him. So I'm
like, that's my friend Benji. So, like, when
we're watching YouTube and my father -in -law
is watching all the Overland videos with me,
and he's like. And he critiques all the Overlanders,
too. He's like, this guy just kind of sounds
like a pussy. I'm not going to name which Overlander
because he's not well -known, but he backs away
from easy things. And his dad's just like, he's
kind of a pussy. But then any time we get on
to a Baker Overland that features Benji, or even
Benji's got a cool video of, too, I'll be like,
look, look. I said, there's Benji. I know that
guy. And, like, it's not that I like friends'
friends, but it's like I'm acquaintance. I kind
of know them. Like, we've talked. We've done
the interview. I was like, so it's exciting every
time. And, of course, Benji's rig is really cool.
So it's really cool to see him travel along.
And, of course, Baker's, like, super cool. So
I'm always saying, like, hey, I kind of know
Baker. I kind of know that guy, too. I don't,
but. I can describe Benji in two words. Tall.
goofy literally he could he kind of looks like
goofy from no like disney yeah no tall and goofy
yeah he's he's a cool dude though i i love yeah
i love watching these shows and seeing these
people that i'm acquainted with that i know of
or that i have spoken with before i like seeing
these guys uh talk it's kind of like uh tyler
with independence overland like i've talked to
him in private message a couple times it's just
cool to like it's weird like you ever like it's
cool to meet your heroes and then see them like
those guys are kind of like the heroes of the
scene like they do the things that i want to
do and they have the things that i would like
to have eventually so it is in that kind of sense
and i bet you gavin you ready for this There
are people that think the same thing about us
because they only see the good side. Yeah. I
think that's why our podcast is cool, too, because
we're not so structured to have like, what would
you call that? Like a script. We're not like
scripted. We talk about what we want. Is anyone
scripted? I think there's guidelines, you know
what I mean? And people don't have ADHD. So like
they stick to the guidelines. I don't know. Snail
trail. Always off topic. Yeah. They have ADHD.
Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. I think, I think
the best podcast talkers are typically the people
that have high functioning ADHD. Yeah. So I think
that's why it works out so well. Yeah, I don't
know, because, like, Snail Trail's like that.
Newfound is like that. Benji's all over the fucking
place, dude. Yeah. Oh, while we're on this topic,
before we play the next voicemail, I just want
to say a real sad, regrettable moment. Charlie
has quit doing Outskirts Overland and quit paying
for hosting because he is not happy with the
direction that Overlanding Space is going. Yeah.
I agree with him. but I'm not ready to quit our
podcast because I love you guys. Yeah. I think
I agree to points, but I don't agree with where
our country is going, but I still love our country.
You know what I mean? So like, I don't think
that I would necessarily quit the podcasting
for that. Let me, let me correct that real quick.
It isn't that he's not happy with where overlanding
is going. He's not happy with what he had to
do to be successful in the overland. media it
may it went against what he holds valuable um
that makes more sense it wasn't overlanding as
a whole i i said that incorrectly i knew how
i meant it i don't mean to mix up charlie's words
because he's a fantastic person yeah um but it's
sad because charlie's someone who he's done this
for so long he's probably done this longer than
think of a youtuber think of a podcast or charlie's
done it longer um and it's sad to lose an easy
access to the knowledge that that man holds because
he knows a lot about this this hobby um but yeah
you know times change yeah trees die new ones
emerge um yep you know it's the way of the world
and you know it's like your friends like you
know sometimes uh sometimes i pass early and
then you meet new friends and it's just it is
what it is and i can't say i don't um i don't
understand it like because i do in a way like
i think we all kind of get it like there have
been times where we're just tired too we're like
like this the whole the whole podcasting and
everything around it is very like minimal reward
um medium to high effort um if we if we keep
at it like we get nothing out of this like yeah
in fact we may be in yeah it cost me like 30
bucks a month for this damn thing yeah um and
it's 30 bucks a month for me too on my other
podcast which i stopped paying um but anyway
uh so you know it's we pay for that you know
when we do our group things like rigs and coffee
uh but cords of kef obviously not rigs of coffee
but when we do that we have to pay in for the
the food and supplies and stuff and um you know
we don't we don't get any kickback and that can
be hard in times where we're already strapped
for cash And especially in times where we're
busy, like Alex does a good job. Like we switched
to Tuesdays for recording because he's got stuff
going on Wednesdays now. And it's just like,
we get, we got to make it work where we can.
And sometimes the stress isn't worth it. Like,
um, some of the other guys that I noticed that,
you know, I, I kept up to date with their, um,
recordings and stuff. And I hadn't, um, hadn't
really checked on him much lately. Just been
like, checking out other podcasters but average
overlanders um those guys stopped too i don't
know i don't know what uh what happened but it
just uh you know i talked to them a little bit
they said they just kind of you know the the
podcasting thing is it's a lot and it's it's
not one of those things that is easy to keep
going especially when you do it as long as some
of us have done and others have done Yeah. I
guess that's a good point to say that episode
100 will air on January 1st. No, I think I'm
going to air episode 100 on December 31st, and
then episode 101 on January 1st. Which will be
the start of our new season. Our third season,
yep. Third season. So that's, yeah, 101 episodes.
and uh we're still going we still bullshit we
still got plenty to talk about and we still have
plenty of plans to keep going so we don't plan
on going anywhere and uh episode 100 is already
recorded and it's a banger so i've been holding
on to this episode for like two rainy two months
i've been holding on to this episode so some
of the information's a little out of date but
it's a freaking banger Yeah. It's going to be
exciting. It's cool to see that we've been...
It's cool to see the connections we've made in
the... Now, we've only been doing this for a
year. This is the second year. So... Yeah, you're
in November. This will be our second year. Yeah.
So it's cool to see the connections we've made
in such a short time. And, you know, we don't
make monetarily. We don't make it much at all.
We're in a negative. But we make a lot of cool
connections with really cool people. Like, we've
long -time followers of Benji, but we were able
to connect through this podcast with Benji, with...
Jimmy and Tyler. Jimmy and Tyler. Yep. Cindy
Pope. You know, there's a lot that we got pretty
early on, actually, that... we were able to connect
with and you know we've tried connecting with
some of the other other bigger names in here
but uh you know these guys get pretty busy and
i'm sure their requests are through the roof
so um well on that note let's move on to our
second voicemail we have three of them by the
way yeah so here's number two this is from jimmy
snail trail what up botches off road How is it
going? Welcome to the land of voicemails. This
is Jimmy Jett from Snail Trail 4x4 and I hope
you guys are all doing well out there and hopefully
staying warm during these cold months. Hey, I
was just calling in because I saw and heard you
guys had a voicemail show so I figured, or a
segment I guess, I figured I would call and say
hi. Plus, you know, maybe I'm going to start
doing the Alex where I'll call in weekly and
just do my promotions about the Snail Trail 4x4
podcast and stuff like that. But I do have a
question for you guys. I was curious. So a while
ago we talked with Alex about, I think it's called
Drumming Island, Drum Something Island, and some
land use. I'm curious if there's an update on
that. So, yeah, let me know. All right. You guys
have a wonderful one, and don't forget. Keep
crawling. Love that. Oh, man. This... It's a
good one, because we did. We talked about it,
you know, when the whole Marblehead thing was
going on. Well, I think we've kind of updated
a little as it went on. We've basically lost
the land use war in Drummond Island. Yeah. The
Drummond Island Tourism Association, DITA, has...
basically taken over the Drummond Island Off
-Road Club and neutered them. They just do what
they want. They're headed by a guy who rents
side -by -sides, and he wants to make the trails
more accessible for side -by -sides so that they
can make more money. I don't understand. I don't
know if they're paying the DNR, the regional
DNR guy off. I don't know. I don't know how...
Public land can be taken and turned into a, almost
a solo use trail at that point. It kills me because
so, you know, Drummond Island is like the pinnacle
of off -roading in Michigan. We don't have a
lot. So when we're seeing something that actually
matters get destroyed like that, it fucking kills
me, dude. If you want every type of off -roading,
I mean, really, Drummond Island's probably one
of the best spots for that in the Michigan area,
like tri -state area. Well, not every type, because
Drummond Island, you get mud and rock. Yeah,
I mean, like, you can get just about every terrain.
Like, in most parts of Michigan, you either get
mud or you get rock. Or mud or sand. We don't
have a lot of rock. We don't have a lot of rock.
So mud, sand, rock. It's the three, the Holy
Trinity. It's not common. Wait, what about water?
I guess that would be paired with mud, right?
Can't have mud without water. I guess, yeah.
But... Yeah, it's... You know, it really... It
pains me to see Roman Island turn into what it
is. It just... It was such a beautiful, special
place. And you've still got places to rock crawl.
I mean, you've still got Moose Nemesis, which
is still probably the most challenging obstacle
on the entire island. I broke a tie rod there.
I turtled. Mark turtled. I broke a tie rod trying
to pull Mark off of his turtle. I have not gone.
Every time the drumming part comes up, it's like...
I'm out of money or I'm already somewhere else.
So it's one of those kind of things. It's like
beginning of the year for the most part when
sometimes that pops up. So it's like beginning
of the summer, I should say, not beginning of
the year, beginning of the summer where everyone's
like getting off of school and stuff. We'll plan
a botches Drummond Island trip in like September
or October. Yeah, I think we're in talks with
other people. joining up for that one if i'm
correct uh probably like early september would
be preferred uh it gives us a little bit of the
fall colors um doing it in the middle of summer
absolutely fucking sucks because it's a cloud
of bugs the entire time yeah yeah i wouldn't
mind doing drum and cooler yeah cooler weather
yeah only uh only downside is when you get stuck
you have to go into the cold mud But other than
that, it's better than the mosquitoes. Yeah.
The mosquitoes were so bad. We went in July.
That was, oh, my God. Like, we had to bug bomb
our canopy because it just collected bugs. Yeah.
Thankfully, I haven't hit any spots this year
where bugs were, like, so bad that I was like,
I need to leave. Or I want to leave. Kentucky?
Kentucky and Drummond Island were the only two
we had this year that were rough. I want to do
Kentucky a different... If we do it this coming
year, different month. Doing it in June was...
And with a lot less people. I wouldn't want to
do that as an MSD trip. Actually, I'm kind of
at the point of... Out -of -state trips, I wouldn't
want to do with, like, MST because I want to
see more and do more. I don't necessarily want
to socialize on those trips. So keeping those
groups small would be better. And it's not saying
that MST trips are bad. What Derek and Yamber
do to put on a great, you know, trip, they put
a lot of fucking work into that. And the trips
are great. um just if i'm taking the time out
of my day to go to a different state i want to
do i want it to be less structured and a lot
more yeah i mean done i've i've run across that
too to where like i'm starting to get the experience
to where i feel comfortable going out of groups
and exploring and and doing that so i mean i've
done that a little bit this year too so we did
the west up exploration trip with mst um we've
done a couple couple of trips with them and it's
just to the point to where like okay yep i kind
of have the idea um okay this is what you guys
gonna do and it's not like they make you feel
guilty or anything like they don't they're like
hey if you want to do your own thing go ahead
like so but the problem the problem with leatherwood
was there were so many people and we only had
like a handful of trails that really wanted to
get done and everyone wanted those same handful
so you were running into these massive groups
that were trail clogs. They might be doing the
trail backwards and not able to get through it.
That did happen. I do plan. I would really, really,
really like to go to Kentucky and do the Daniel
Boone Kentucky Byway. So I'd love to do the Ozarks
in that area. And I would like to. I think. I'd
love to do Land Between the Lakes. Be intriguing
to go to. I would love to do Land Between the
Lakes. Oh. Tennessee? Tennessee and Kentucky
is literally the border between Tennessee and
Kentucky. I have to look that up. Yep. And it
is, oh, it's fucking pretty. And I also like
to do the... Especially after hearing some stories
about it. I'd also like to do the, what is it,
the flat tops in, like, what is it, South Dakota,
North Dakota, wherever they're. That's where
my baby turkeys that are coming at 3 a .m. are
coming from. So I'd like to go do that, too,
because that's kind of closer. It's west. I've
never been farther west than Wisconsin, so it
would be a really cool trip. It's not super far.
I don't know if we'd go through the bottom of
Michigan or the top. Maybe the top just to go
through it. We did top to bottom. Yeah, that
makes sense. Where are you going exactly? I'd
like to go to the... Wisconsin. North Dakota.
Oh, you said go through Wisconsin. I thought
you were saying you wanted to drive Wisconsin.
I'm like, well, we did north and south, but I
see what you're saying now. I think south underneath
Wisconsin is quicker than heading northward.
I've always... I don't know. I'd have to look.
I think from Grand Rapids, I think it's longer,
but I can't remember. It's not much. Because
it's almost 10 hours just straight to the peninsula,
the Keenewa Peninsula. I said it wrong, I know.
We're so far off from our voicemail. We should
play the last one real quick. This one is from
Benji, but it's the same caller as our friend
Bob Smith. So take that as you will. I'm not
saying that Bob Smith is Benji, but I'm definitely
saying that. There we go. Hey, guys. Benji here
with Midwest Venture Outfitters slash Newfound
Overland. Hopefully you guys are doing well and
staying warm. Just wanted to call and test out
this voicemail. Pretty cool segment. Hopefully
you guys do some good stuff with it and have
fun. Keep up the good work. Keep all the shows
coming. Keep all the good content coming. And,
yeah, we'll see you on the flip -flop. Hopefully
we can make it up your guys' way. Hopefully this
summer. I don't want to say we're going to, but
you know how things get. We'd like to. That's
what I'll say. So guys, have a killer day. And,
yeah, keep them up. See you later, guys. That
is what I'm waiting for. I'm waiting for a Baker
Overland featuring Benji featuring whoever else
gets to go. I am praying for that. I commented
on Baker Overland's one of his newest videos
or Facebook posts, and I'm like, please come
to Michigan. Please. I would love to spend some
time with Caleb up here. I think that he would
really enjoy a lot of what the UPS to offer.
It's not the Ozarks, but that's part of exploration.
It's a whole. Yeah. And you know what? I, I wonder
if, and if Benji, if you're listening and Baker,
if you, if you happen to listen, I can't remember
his name from Ozark overland adventures. I watch
them all the time. I don't remember why I can't
remember his name right now, but he did a. He
did some trails and stuff in the UP, and he might
be a good person to talk to as far as if you
wanted to organize something. It might be cool
to have him come back or check some of the things
out that he might have missed. As native Michiganders,
he did miss a couple of things. He did hit the
basics in the Keweenaw area, like Gay Beach and
stuff. But it would just be cool. It'd just be
cool to get some guys out here. I don't think
Michigan gets as much publicity as it should.
Now, it's not like crazy hard stuff here, but,
you know, from Paradise. That's the guy with
purple and blue hair, right? I'm, like, trying
to remember. Fuck, what is his name? And I watch
his shit all the time. By the way, Tyler, if
he ever hears this, his new trail hunter is fucking
sick. oh he he he took the box off and has had
a whole custom uh like cab put on and it's so
nice it's beautiful i do have a soft spot for
the blue fj but i could definitely see where
you're at with that thing that's cool do you
guys uh you you obviously follow flex rocks and
rollovers uh even if i think they're a little
I don't know. I don't love some of what they
do on trail, but, you know, that's not here or
there. For the most part, it's a great channel.
They just released 24 Hell and Back, 35s or less.
Oh, okay. So I have been meaning to watch that,
and I'm really excited to watch it, because usually,
you know, their trucks are, like, huge horsepower,
massive tires, and... They're trying to get away
from that. Yeah. I know, I can't remember the
main guy there. He's got that, like, what is
it, 79, 70 -something Jeep? Jeepster? Yeah, probably.
And the red one? Yeah, it's a Jeepster. I do
like that, and it sounds great. Yeah, dude. It
was really cool seeing him do the Overland version
of that, trying to rock land. That was really
cool. Dude, I was so here for it. Uh, they did
that what Rubicon and, um, Oh, Jimmy and Tyler
are going to be so mad at me that I can't remember
the name of that trail. We just watched it too.
I know. But yeah, the, the trails that they did
were fucking sick. Um, yeah, I, I like rock landing.
I like doing the harder shit. Well, being able
to camp. Yeah. So much better. Yeah. I, I mean,
I, I personally am not as big as a fan, but I
love watching other people do it. Um, I just,
to me, like I said, I don't get the, I just don't
get the pleasure from the stress from that. I
would rather go through like hellacious snow
storms or rain storms and have like stuff like
that happen. Um, but I don't want to like destroy
my shit. We don't destroy your shit. You got
to be better than that. I run with you. My shit
gets destroyed now. Cause you're not better than
that. You're in. So it's the, the fact is I'm
trying to do things that you do easily with the
truck. That's just not, not made for that right
now. Yeah. I, I definitely beat on the forerunner
doing stuff. I shouldn't have. before i built
it but now that it's where it's at there's a
lot of things that are just like yeah i can roll
over that and then i'm watching i watch gavin
it's like oh god maybe i should have warned him
i mean i get over most of it still so like i
there's nothing that he's hit that i've attempted
and not gotten through this year i i'm smart
to know like uh skitter hill and stuff i'm smart
to know my boundary Like, I don't want major
body damage. I'm not going to do this. Could
I do it? Maybe if I didn't give a shit about
my truck. You're not going to get major body
damage from skid rail. You just might lose a
man. Yeah, and the whole side of my truck will
be dented in. Listen, that truck has been on
its passenger side a few times now, and there
are no dents from it. I'm pretty sure you kicked
those out. no i've never had a dent on the passenger
side now the driver's side that has dents from
side by sides hitting it there's a dent on the
back tailgate that i really don't know where
the hell it came from but it came from me but
it's like it's got to be a tree because it's
perfectly vertical and it's higher on the tailgate
so i had to have backed into a tree but when
yeah i don't know man it's i would assume ever
I was very tree when it comes to turning around
certain points. So I started noticing it after
that endeavor with the XJ in, uh, New Ego. So
I'm wondering if I backed into a tree during
that whole fiasco fight with someone from an
XJ. No, I got, I got bored one day and someone
had posted on New Ego County trail riders and
they're like, Hey, I'm going to go wheeling.
I'm like, yo, dude, I was down. Was that a younger
kid? Or the older guy. I don't know. It wasn't
the older dude. It was some guy with dreadlocks.
But anyways, so we go out. Everyone else flaked
on us. It was just the two of us. And a third
-gen 4Runner and an XJ should not go wheeling
alone together. By the way, I'm going to interject
for just a second. It's Matt. Matt McClellan.
Sorry, Matt. from Ozark Overland. I really do
watch all your stuff, despite the fact that I
couldn't remember your name. Please forgive me.
But yeah, so me and this XJ, we like, we're just
hitting things way harder than we should have
been. No bars held. I bet a lower control arm,
an upper control arm, and a knuckle. He bet,
or no, he lost, he lost for low. and the ability
to come out of four high uh and i also apparently
backed into a tree that's uh trying to keep up
or trying to i don't know man i i hate to say
it because trying to keep up with cheap xj activities
always lands you in problem oh he was behind
me he was trying to keep up good Take that, you
silly XJ. But, you know, when I don't have someone
to say, hey, dude, don't be an idiot, apparently
I get way runnier than I need to. Yeah, I'm sure
that's a thing. See, that's why the safety inspector
has to come along. I did drive the truck home
that day, though. I think at this point, even
if I can't come to some of the wheeling trips,
I need to be in the vehicle. Someone needs to
start getting content, goddammit. We need it.
We need someone who can, because I never remember.
Not that my wife is bad, but, like, my wife does
not want to jump out of the truck every 30 seconds
to get us going up a trail to go do this, go
do that, and we have a kid. It's like, next time
we do a trail that maybe I just can't drive it
to, you pick me up. And I do some filming like
we got to get some content down and like poker
run. I have to get some. And I don't know, I
got to get some content for poker run, man. We
need content of my forerunner doing stuff, because
for whatever reason, there's videos of Gavin's
truck that I've taken. There's videos of Mark's
truck that Gavin took. But there's so much less
of the forerunner doing stuff. I've taken a lot
of videos of you doing stuff. But you go with
me like a quarter of the time I go home. It's
because you don't tell me until after you get
back. And I find out about it on the next podcast.
So you were like, yeah, me and Mark went out.
And I was like, you know what? Fuck you guys.
We usually talk about it in the botches group
chat. I don't think so. That's the best part.
yeah and when you when you talk about it it's
like too late you know it's like i was like where's
the planning like oh there's none we'll literally
be like dude and then i offer a wheel like that's
how it works okay let's go snow wheel and he's
like no like dude i had something going on no
i think you i think mark uh well did you guys
end up even coming friday did they end up showing
up The Friday I came, last Friday. Yeah. Didn't
you say you were working on the black truck?
We were supposed to. We ended up cleaning the
shed and then fixing Mark's brakes. Oh, I did
get front brakes. How are those? Brakes are good.
Good. Although we had an incident backing out.
Alan failed to remind me that I had to reapply
brake pressure, so I shifted into gear and this
truck ran away from me for a brief second. I
was like, I got no brakes. You didn't hit anything,
thank God. No. Dude, I was sick Saturday. You
were sick Friday. You got me sick then. No, maybe,
because I ended up being sick Saturday and Sunday.
No, I think mine's more food poisoning because
I was puking. shitting my head out for hours
on end. I hate that. Well, I ended up not going
to the concert. Sorry. With that image, we're
at 30 minutes. You didn't go to the concert either?
No. I got sick before the concert. Wait. Yeah.
So what did we eat Saturday? Didn't he bring
you food Friday? I ate the leftover burritos
from the night before for Friday. Dude, what
if it was the fucking burritos? Beyond that,
it was fries and McChicken. Had to have been
the burritos. But I'm still wondering if it's
what my mom bought leftovers from a gathering.
It was like a cheek, like a pig cheek meat. I
don't remember how it was called. Oh, you mean
cow cheek? Seasoned. That's like a typical Mexican.
Yes. It was very seasoned. Say pork cheek is
a lot more typical in Mexican cuisine. I think
it's pork cheek. Depends on where you're at in
Mexico, but pork cheek. I think I might have
overdid it with the pork. Sometimes it's the
grease in it. So when I started eating like Mexican
food, traditional Mexican food, there's a shit
ton of grease in those compared to like what
I was eating typically. I cannot pronounce this
word. Carolina? Yes. Carolina? Yeah. That. Yeah.
Carolina de Corserto. It's really common. I'm
not a Spanish, I was going to say. I'm not one
of those. You sound close to what it's supposed
to be. Yeah, so I only know that because I lived
right next to the Sonoran. country in mexico
called sonora um and it was a really common meal
in there uh then if you go more like southwestern
mexico then it becomes more common to have like
uh beef cheek which i don't remember what that's
called is it like no lingua is the tongue i'm
trying to remember which tongue is good too uh
Mahilo? Mahilo? Wait. Mahia. Mahia de res. No,
it was definitely the pork cheek. Yeah, so Mahia
de res is the pork or beef cheek. It's usually
barbacoa. We all know what barbacoa is. So good.
Yep. If you don't have that, you can always make
barbacoa with, like, roast. Which is what I typically
do because cheek is not usually the easiest thing
to find. Oh, dude, it's so easy. You live in
Grant, dude. I don't shop at the Mexican store
much. Or jeans. You can go to jeans. I don't
go to jeans either. I've been to jeans. Actually,
you can go to Meijer in Fremont. We've looked
because Santa's grandma cooks a lot of that.
You go to the butcher. You go to the butcher
and you say, I want cheek. And then he will get
you cheek. Because they have an actual butcher
at the bunker in Fremont. Yeah, because they've
had issues getting oxtail, too. Because they've
asked us to go look for oxtail. That is a lot
harder. That's a lot harder. That sounds very
special to you. That would be the Mexican store
in Grant. Yeah, and she couldn't find any because
she was going to make caldo. And she wanted oxtail.
Or if you go... If you go talk to the Amish at
the Amish store, they also might be able to.
I don't want that much. I'm not. I'm not. I don't
really like prefer things you have to work at
like chicken wings with bones. It's like or or
even ribs with bones. If they don't fall off,
I don't want to eat them like a corn cob. There's
more bone than there is meat. I I'm not about
it. I only like chicken with bone. I only like
chicken with bones because it's generally a darker
meat if there's a bone right there, and I like
dark meat on chicken. I like white meat. I like
juicy white meat, man. You are a white man, so
that is pretty typical. I'm Mexican, man. You
would like the spot with less flavor. It's only
got less flavor if you don't know how to cook,
brother. Brother. In general, white meat has
less flavor than dark meat. That's... No, that's
accurate. This is one of those. Because. It just
tastes different. You can cook them. It's like.
You can cook them the same. Yeah, it does taste
different. It's bland. So is dark meat. It all
tastes the same. And it gives you a headache.
Because it's so greasy. No, it doesn't. Oh, my
God. Greasy. Anyways. What got us on this topic?
Benji. It was all Benji's fault. No. No, Benji
wasn't. No, me being sick. Oh, yeah. Mark being
sick. Wow. Speaking of, we smoked. You're my
kid just fucking like running down the hallway
screaming. We did. We did. I don't think the
listeners will. Let's hope not. But we had five
turkeys that we smoked three of them for like
10 hours. And then one person. Cooked one in
the oven. The other person cooked them in their
oven. And, yes, big difference. If you eat turkey,
smoke them. They're so good. Or deep fry. Deep
fry is mmm. No. And if you're going to smoke
them, do it trash can style because it's so much
better. Have you ever had trash can turkey? No.
Usually if it's in the trash can, I leave it
there. So you buy a new trash can. You buy a
new trash can. You start a fire. Get your fire
going. You put the turkey on a spick or something
in the middle of the trash can. Put the trash
can over top. Surround it with coals. It gives
it this nice, deep, smoky flavor. And it cooks
it to perfection. You can't reach that level
without it being in. Yeah, like, a smoker can't
get it there. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to get
that, like, metallic flavor. I feel like Alex
needs to do it one time. It doesn't touch the
trash can. Yeah, but you don't think, like, burning
the sides of the trash can with coal doesn't
put any kind of... It's like... Listen, dude.
Like burning a paint can. Trash can turkey's
phenomenal. No, you don't do it in, like, you
don't do it in a painted... Trash can. Or you
just do one like a galvanized, like a coated
with chemicals trash can. Yeah, don't do that
either. Find me a steel uncoated trash can. Dude.
Okay, my grandpa's got one. We use it every year
for trash can turkeys. Yeah, from the 60s. And
then you have to worry about rust. Probably.
And the lead that they went into it. But no,
trash can turkey is phenomenal. It's the best
way to cook a turkey when you're not near a power
source. Yes, like a smoker. But if you don't,
bury your turkey in the ground. It's the best.
Yeah, that also works. But anyways, on to roasting.
That's why I took so long and I kept switching
the topic because there is really nothing. There's
nothing here for a segment. So I really wanted
to take as much time as I could. All right. Gavin,
your FJ is a mess. There's so much stuff everywhere.
Yeah. Wow. What was I supposed to do? Fight back?
Oh. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, at least my radio works.
Hey. If I hadn't fixed mine, that'd be a good
idea. I don't know that you have. Every time
I get in your car, something's going on. Something
that doesn't work. Your door latch breaks. And
then you lock yourself out of the truck for a
second, so you have to pull your door latch out
to unlock the truck. It's always something. That's
not an issue. Yeah, exactly. At least my door
latches work. Gavin, your tires are small. They
are small. But you know what? It's just a temporary
thing. I actually want to get wider tires now
that you mentioned that. I just want the profile
and more tread. But, yes, they are small. 33
is tiny. But when someone sells me their rims,
I will get wider tires, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah.
We'll see if that happens. Cause I fell in love.
Oh my God. See, this is why we, this is why you
don't deal with your friends, especially ones
that change their mind every day, three times
a day. Well, I found out that it wasn't the rims
I didn't like anymore. It was the tires. Do you
have like glorified street tires on right now?
Don't you? I would say they're a little more
than that. They're closer to like an AT3. Yeah,
compared to your mud ones, they kind of look
like street boys. City slicks. That's all terrains
versus mud terrain. They're fucking great, to
be honest. I agree, too. I was happy to see you
go to an all terrain versus the mud. I was like,
finally, the dark side. Oh, dude, next time I'm
going back to mud terrains. Alex doesn't like
to have the efficiency. He wants to struggle.
He likes the pain. So he tries to put himself
into those situations. He's like, I'm getting
too much traction on this road. How can I make
it worse? It hasn't been that much better. Like,
it has, obviously. I'm doing like 65 on icy roads
now. Versus the 35. Hey, 35 and sliding, boy.
It is fun. Gavin, your FJ's color is really ugly.
Yeah, it is. I want to wrap it, but it's also
grown on me, too. I don't mind berry color. It
would look so sick in a dark gray matte wrap
or maybe an OD green matte wrap. OD green, man.
Such a gross color. I would take a dark forest
green like Duncan's. I would take that and some
bronze wheels. That look. Yeah, I would take
that for sure. Otherwise, I don't know. I think
I'm just going to keep the berry, do some topo
on it, black out the top, put some bronze wheels
on there. Call it a day until the next time I
can afford wrap and do something fun. Or if Onyx
wants to pay me, they can put a wrap on there.
I'll run around with Onyx stamped on the side
of my truck if they pay for a wrap. Just to help
give me some protection, man. I'll do it with
fucking Wonder Bread. I'll fucking Wonder Bread
up my car like Ricky Bobby. If they pay for the
wrap, you got it, Wonder Bread. Coming right
up. we should we should design like a sick botches
off road wrap for one of the shows wonder bread
theme that would be really cool with the white
with the polka dots i i don't hate that idea
actually we're not like we need like we need
a champion truck you know like i thought that
was supposed to be your truck one of the truck
build for 2027 Oh, fuck, dude. That shit just
keeps getting pushed back. We got so much shit
going on. This is what I'm talking about, folks.
He's like, I got plans for you. You watch. This
is what I'm going to do. This is what I'm going
to do. And I'm like, uh -huh. Uh -huh. We'll
see. Oh, dude, I do it slow. I do it slow because
I'm broke as fuck. But no, you're right. The
Holy Grail would be really sick with the botches
off. I feel like it has to, though. That is the
truck. The Holy Grail. I mean, you have to do
it with that one. yeah i i was going to just
keep it clean but now i kind of want to do a
botches off road wrap like i was gonna do i was
gonna do no stickers like just it would be cool
to do a matte black with a dark green forest
top of lines and then botches 2023 right there
on the door sides would be really cool that'd
be pretty sick yeah yeah all right well I need
money to work on the Holy grail. Cause I really
want to know. Yeah. I mean, the frames, the problem
is the problem is that the, the rear axles like
five grand for the, just the suspension, not
including axle. Um, I did find a set of axles
for $500. So I'll be getting on that soon. Um,
they're super duty axles. 373 gearing i'll probably
up it to like 480 or 488 um oh yeah nothing crazy
that reminds me um since you're talking about
ford and axles somehow i got all the way over
back to the youtube content creators um so what's
his name is it dirt king snow king dirt lifestyle
right I love watching Dirt Lifestyle. This guy
does some rock landing. He does that shit, and
he does it in IFS. And right now, he's working
on a van build. It's so fun to fucking watch.
So I'm not usually into builds. I did watch the...
What was the off -road wrecker? The Banana. I
can't remember what it's called. Oh, Matt's Off
-Road. I watched it. The world's largest off
-road record. I know that it is, but it's a really,
really cool build to watch. It's been up for
debate for a while now. But I've been watching
this one with Dirt Lifestyle doing his fucking,
what is it? Yeah, he's swapping a fucking Cummins
six -speed manual into his van. He's putting
it on like 42s. It's just really cool. And he
did a facelift with an ambulance on the front
of the van just to give it a little bit cooler
look, more modern. It's just cool. And then watching
him snowwheel, sick. He just went to, I think,
Iceland and went snowwheeling in Iceland. And
that was fucking sick, like seeing the other
rigs that were out there. There was actually
a couple of Jeeps out there. He was riding a
Jeep that I think had a swapped 350. And then
there was another Jeep in there. It's just cool,
man. He's just got a really cool channel, too.
He's got that different kind of content. Like,
if you like rock landing and stuff, he's much
more into that. And he's got a really sick Tacoma
on. Long travel and portals. Yeah, it is sick.
I think it is literally the most built IFS. Yeah.
Oh, for sure. Not to mention his old -ass Land
Rover that just floats on snow. Really cool to
watch. And he did have a Land Cruiser, or a Land
Rover, and I don't think he has it anymore. But
I am looking forward to him getting a Delica.
I think he got rid of some of those. He wants
a Delica so bad, and I would love to see him
build one out. That would be so cool. I wonder
if it's like me and MR2s. I'm just not allowed
to own one. He went on a trail ride with a guy
with a Delica, and that did. a lot better than
i thought it would don't watch that one um and
he was talking it up like he's like i i want
one it's gonna happen and i'm like cool dude
i i want an mr2 so bad but every time that i
go to buy one like i bought one one time beautiful
had 30 000 miles on it 86 five speed and it was
in a barn that caught fire and burnt to the ground
yeah so i saw I saw the car once. I gotta go
back. He's got a lot of cool build videos. I'd
be interested to look back at his... He has one
from two years ago, Unstoppable Land Cruiser
80 Rock Crawler. Love to see that. Look at that
stuff. He's very knowledgeable about the off
-road aspects. He knows mechanically what he's
doing. And he does a lot of his own work. He
does his own fabs and stuff like that. He makes
his own bumper. he's full -on rebuilt that front
end oh yeah it's too he's i think he ran to like
caribou or a moose with it so he had to rebuild
the whole it's really cool and i just honestly
his videography too is like top notch for someone
who does all this other stuff too he's got really
good videography and watching him snow wheel
with that truck and the sound is just it gets
me going like I was watching his videos before
I went and saw Alex, and I was like, come on,
Alex, let's go snowwheeling. Like, I want to
go. It is. He's one of those creators, like a
couple of my other favorite ones that I've already
mentioned, that just they inspire me to want
to get out and go. Okay, fine, Gavin. You want
to go snowwheeling? What are you doing Saturday?
Right now, I don't know. Nothing, probably. Let's
go to Rocks and Valleys and do some snowwheeling.
Two hours away? No. It's like an hour. I thought
Rocks and Valleys was two hours. Rocks and Valleys
is our closest park. Big Park, yes. I was about
to say St. John's. Oh, it's an hour 35. What
was I thinking of that was like two hours away?
So from my house. From my house, Rocks and Valleys
is about an hour and a half. Hour 35 for me.
St. John's is about the same distance, actually.
I'd like to go wheeling on, like, trails, trails,
though. Dude, have you been to Rocks and Valleys?
It's not that I, like, I don't know. How do I
explain it, guys? Help me out. Put a voicemail
on there. Like, I don't like the idea of the
off -road park. I get that they're not with,
you know, that they're not exactly just an off
-road park, that there are trails. But, like,
I want to go and explore, like, trails 30, 40
minutes away, like, just regular old trails.
I want to see what's out there. I want to break.
I want to go on places that other people haven't
been. As someone who shares that sentiment, chances
to go to some of these parks in the snow are
worth taking. Rocks and valleys, honestly, it's
a great time. It's worth going to. I am not one
to generally want to go to a park. There's two
parks that I found that I like. Rocks and valleys
and Leatherwood. Leatherwood, I can't even call
a park because... There's more land in Leatherwood,
almost as much land in Leatherwood as there is
in our part of the nation. Yeah, I was going
to say, that's like a nature preserve for off
-roading. That's kind of what I see. Like, you
have to stay on the trails, but otherwise, it's
like, what is it, like 60 ,000 plus acres? 55
,000 acres. Yeah, 55 ,000. Connected to state
forests. It's basically a nature preserve. I
mean, a lot of these trails, everything other
than these trails is... Pretty much, you know,
left as is. So it's really cool. I would definitely,
I don't know, man. I will talk to her about it
and see what our money situation is for gas.
But that's kind of the biggest issue is the time
and gas. Otherwise. Mark, are you going to do
some rocks and valleys on Saturday? No. Why not?
What the fuck? I'm tight on budget, like really
bad this week. Bro, let's go to Rocks and Valleys
on Saturday. He can ride with you. Yeah, he can
ride with me. Maybe I'll ride with you. I have
to see what's working, but maybe I'll ride and
I can take some video. I don't know. I'll think
about it. I have to see what I got going on because
I know I got bills paid. Like, you're looking
at, what, a $40 gas tank fill up and $20 entrance
fee. $60? Dude, I got you. That's $40, like,
one way. He definitely gets more than... For
me, it's probably going to be for an hour and
a half drive. Dude, it's 100 miles. You get better
than 100 miles to a tank. Yeah, I'll have to
fill up, though, either way after. So it's still
going to be 80 -some bucks. Like, when I go there
and then when I get back and then I have to fill
up for the rest of the week, that's where it
is. Like, looking at that. Like, to get there,
yeah, not an issue, 40 bucks. It's to get back
and then still have gas and money for the rest
of the week. Because then we have to buy stuff
while we're there, food and whatnot. What do
you have to buy while you're there? Why? Because.
my wife and son eat oh just pack that's what
i'm saying i still have to buy food i don't have
food in the house friday is when we stock it's
like a pack of tortillas some ham and some cheese
and some mayonnaise and bam yeah you're talking
to higher maintenance co -workers here you've
you've literally got no you know what i'll cover
lunch for that i'll talk to sienna about it Because
I have five boxes or five unopened boxes of MREs.
That might be down for that. I'm going to try
and come, whether it's in my vehicle or just
ride along with you, so I could take video, which
would not be a bad idea either. But I'd like
to come. Let me see where. I don't remember if
she works this Saturday or not. That's the biggest
issue, is her work schedule's been getting really
fucky. Like, she's gotta do one all day again
Wednesday. Like, she has to do one once or twice
a week, and it's been changing. I don't know.
We'll see. We at least need two trucks to go.
because we need content and this is a good chance
to get fun well one one truck and one guy to
take video of you doing all the shit too so i
mean really you just need two people or you know
i mean no you need a second truck because we
need content from more than one vehicle and if
one breaks we're gonna want a way to get around
yeah that's what it is i want i want to get I
want to get rowdy. I'll talk to Sienna. Like,
it's not my... Wait, do we need flags? Oh, I
have to find my flag. Technically, Alex has two
sets of flags. Okay, if you do, I might be better
off, too, because... I have a Rocks and Valley
flag and a... Never enough. Never enough flag.
I'll have to look. I think my flags are sitting
in the yard somewhere. Well, it's like I took
them off because everyone was like, why are you
leaving your flag post on all the time? I'm like,
I don't know. So I finally took it off when I
put the winch bumper on. I just kind of threw
them to the side and forgot about them. I absolutely
hate flags, but they're a necessary evil for
Michigan off -road parks. No other off -road
parks. Michigan off -road parks. Too many crazy
peoples. I mean, you don't need it for St. John's.
That park is the size of a postage stamp. You
can see what everyone's doing at any given moment.
I would really like to go... What we don't have
a lot of is night wheeling. I would like to do
some night wheel camera footage stuff. It's so
much harder, though. We'd almost have to do,
like, twilight night wheeling, like, before the
sun sets. I get it, but it would still be fun.
Okay, Mark, would you be more inclined if we
didn't go to Rocks and Valleys and we did some
New Eggo County wheeling? I'd be more inclined.
Gavin, would you be more inclined to do some
New Eggo County wheeling? I mean, yeah, you know
that already. Like, I just... Okay. We could
go break some laws. Just kidding, guys. We're
not going to break the laws. Never mind. I was
very curious. I'm not going to continue with
it on. Oh, fair conversation. I'm not going to
continue with that here. Just go rob a bank so
we can get some money. God damn it. Now our podcast
is on a watch list. No, let's plan that. Saturday,
let's plan on doing, like, Saturday evening wheeling.
My kid is going crazy. Leave it like two in the
afternoon. Go out. Wheel to like six. I'm down.
Yeah. I'm down. I'm down. I will. Maybe we'll
make it to Skitter Hill. Yeah. Honestly, I'd
just like to drive on some snow, some powder.
Like, I'd love if we got a good snow. Oh, we're
supposed to get a lot. I'm hoping. Is it snowing
right now? I don't know. I'm not near a window.
Yeah, me either. I'm not looking forward to going
and pushing snow in a blizzard. It's going to
be fucking terrible. Yeah, let me know if there's
snow out there. You live in the open area. You'll
be able to get a good weather indication. yeah
dude let's do it saturday at two let's meet up
at pink's and go do some sounds good we made
plans guys pulled us to it and uh hopefully you'll
see some content on both of our instagrams if
um a lot of the times like we went wheeling on
ever here a month or two ago and it was just
so fun going out and getting out with the guys
a little bit that we filmed pretty much nothing
and i realized dude and i realized that after
that was the last time and i realized that after
we got back i was like nobody got me going through
that fucking spot again like i got redemption
mark got redemption nobody got us going through
it i'm like how did nobody have a phone and then
i'm like because we were all just having fun
but like but that hurt me too because like all
of a sudden i had nothing for like the next month
did i Did I have 35s on yet for that trip? No,
I was still on 33s. Yeah. And I just kind of
rolled through that spot. We should hit it again.
But we are also at our hour mark. Yep, sure are.
Catch you guys later.