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Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk

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about everything from gear reviews to trail stories,

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tent camping to rock landing, and all things

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to do with the outdoors. I ain't gonna lie, the

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intro's a mouthful. I think I'm gonna shorten

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it down to, welcome to Botches Off -Road. I hate

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you all. Yeah, or just, welcome to Botches Off

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-Road. I think they get it now. We're, what,

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over 100 episodes in. No, we're at, like, you

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know what? That's a good question. What are we

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at? I'll even add the one from last week that

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I was supposed to post today, but I was at the

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hospital all night, so it didn't get done. So

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it'll be done tomorrow. Which other one? No,

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I'll get it. I need time. I'll get there. 68.

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And season two. Guys, season two's almost over.

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When are we done with season two? I don't even

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know that one. What on what? Do we have an episode

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that marks the end of season two, or are you

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just talking January, the new year? January,

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the new year. Oh, okay. I don't remember if we

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talked about that or not. So in season one, we

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had 22 episodes. We have 68, so that's math hard.

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You got it. Give me a second. So 80. Is today

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100 episodes? I don't know. You're the one mapping

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over there. Maybe. I think our 30 -minute episode

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would have been 100 episodes. Oh, no, we're at

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90 episodes. We're at 90. We got 10 episodes

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to go. Would that get us to January? We're at

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91 episodes. Might get us to January. We might.

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Need two episodes a week. Yeah, we're supposed

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to be getting back to 30s in an hour. We are

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pretty much going to hit 100 episodes in January.

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So do we want... Yeah, we'll get back to our

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two episodes a week. We have to do them all month.

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And then I'll release episode 100 on January

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1st. What's that going to be? The interview with...

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I'm upset you didn't take some lavaliers and

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recording and go and interview someone down there

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at Benji's. Could have stole something. Could

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have talked to Baker. Was Baker there? Yeah,

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Baker was there. Oh, God, I hate that I missed

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these. I told him that you were going to be upset

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that you missed him. I told him he's like your

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hero. He is. I know. So, like, in all honesty,

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if you look at the Overland world, and there's

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not a lot of bigger guys that do it, and he.

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He does it very well. He's very good at his videography.

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He's very good with just the way he puts together

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all the episodes. And it's just cool seeing another

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guy out there doing that that represents me in

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that sort of way. Because a lot of them are skinny

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dudes. Gavin's internet sucks. Say what? Oh,

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you froze? Oh, see, that's what I was going to

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say. Like, you guys did that for me earlier.

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But, like, yeah, it's just a lot of the other

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times it's just skinny dudes. And I don't know,

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man. It's not as relatable sometimes. Yeah. And

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so it's just cool to see. Like, I also watch,

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like, bigger hikers. Like, these guys are big

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dudes, but they still hike, and they hike a shit

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ton. And it's just cool. What I think is cool

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is Caleb does it with family and explains how

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he does it with family. That's what I'm all about,

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too. That's my biggest thing is I want to open

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that up for other families. I want to make it

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so it doesn't seem so hard to do. I'm on a couple

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groups. One's camping in Michigan. One of the

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biggest things that they... complain at grape

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about is like camping with kids and how much

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stress it induces and it's like and granted i

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only have one but we started really early he

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got really into it and and tips and tricks along

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the way man i mean like it's good to have other

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people that like push that out there and i've

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been a long time commenter on trying to help

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some of these people especially like um like,

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uh, new parents. That's like the biggest thing.

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I think that's more up my alley because I have

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more experience with that right now. And I know,

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and this is not my words, so don't take it from

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me, like, just like gloating, but, um, and Rebecca,

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they saw us with Jasper, um, you know, in our

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first year. Uh, Jasper pretty much grew up around

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them guys too, while we were camping along with

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all our other camp friends. And, and they were

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like, yeah, no, we could do that. Like they,

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they found out they were pregnant. They're like,

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yep, we can do that same thing. And that's like

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what I, that, that made me kind of proud to hear

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that. Like to, to know that, you know, maybe

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they, not that I didn't directly influence them,

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but they saw that I could. So they were like,

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yeah, we could, we could do that same thing.

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And that's, that's. like what i like to see so

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and that's really cool because now not only has

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everybody in our little groups got to see jasper

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grow up from i think we started with him in the

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groups around six months old seven months old

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and now he just turned two a couple days ago

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which happy birthday to my little buddy four

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days ago he turned two that's why gavin couldn't

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record the day that me and mark were going to

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be able to and then ended up having to record

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alone was because the jazz so yeah happy birthday

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to my little buddy but yeah and that's so two

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years um and now everybody's got to grow up with

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him he knows everybody they're just like distant

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aunts and uncles and and now you know this year

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kai um which is ed and rebecca's son and he's

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doing the same damn thing. They're taking him

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out everywhere. He's having a blast, and it's

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just really cool to watch him grow up in that

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setting. A lot of kids don't get that, and it's

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just cool because, you know, they're going to,

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I mean, Jasper's great, and he's great outside.

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I mean, you keep him cooped up inside in the

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house, and that's where the monster really gets

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crazy, but, you know, he's made for out there.

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Oh, yeah. i know how that goes i got one of those

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too and it's cool see with yours it's the same

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kind of thing and you're learning that on the

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fly too like you you didn't get the you know

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the infant part but you're getting the immediate

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toddler stage and that's kind of hard to to start

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without having the um this sounds weird but like

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the pre -training like with jasper With Jasper,

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we kind of pre -trained him for what we're expecting,

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how to act around fires, et cetera. So now that

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he's in there, he's pretty well accustomed to

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everything. And then you got Jaxie, right? Yep.

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Yeah, Jaxie. Trained completely improperly. That's

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just the best way to put it. It is. It's trained

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completely improperly for the outdoors and what

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to expect. And now he's getting, I think my last

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time we camped around, last time we were outdoors

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together with him, he was doing pretty good.

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So, I mean, he's, he came, he, and I guess all

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boys are going to just flock to it, but it's

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cool. When we were out Friday, you know, usually

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we go on wheeling trips and everyone's kids fucking

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suck, dude. But, like, Friday, Jaxie, he was

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the only kid there. He was fine. He hung out

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in the truck if he didn't want to get out. When

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he did get out, he just went and played in the

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snow. Yeah. He stayed by. Yeah. He was great.

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Kids are not easy by any means. So, I mean. I

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still find his comment. Friday Hill areas. Which

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one? Which one? The sandbox. Oh, yeah. So we

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get done wheeling and we're driving through New

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Wago on our way home. Actually, we're on our

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way to Andreas. Yeah. Because we got Andreas

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as a group. And on the way there, he's like,

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Uncle Alex, can we go back to the big sandbox

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and jump the truck again? That's crazy. I don't

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even – which one was that? Silver Lake. Silver

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Lake. Oh, okay. I'm sitting here thinking, like,

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Everett, where we had all the sand pits and stuff.

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No, I – so I went up Test Hill, and then coming

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down Test Hill, the spot where I was coming down,

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there was, like, a whoop that was hidden, and

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I hit it at, like, probably 60, and I got, you

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know, seven, eight foot of air. Like, it was

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– I was flying. That's cool. I mean, Jasper's

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the same way with just going out on trails. Like,

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to get him to do things around the house, like,

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hey, do you want to go out on the trail? Do you

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want to go on a trail ride? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay, then you have to get your shoes on. Okay.

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He's just that adamant about it. He's so quick,

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too. Yeah. So talking about Friday reminded me

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of another really funny thing. So there's this

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mud pit that we're all kind of skirting around

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and going through. And so it was my turn, and

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I hit it, and all of a sudden my truck just goes,

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bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, and stops

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moving. And I was like, fuck, dude, did I just

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blow up my transmission? No, Mercy's dumbass

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bounced into the shifter and put it in neutral.

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Yeah, usually that's Jasper in the passenger

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seat. He tries to shift it either into four low

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or four high or into neutral. And it's my fault

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I put his. old wooden toy as the shifter but

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uh yeah i don't think it would have mattered

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anyway like he's he knows what they do when i

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tell him he can't play with that he goes to the

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ignition to go turn the truck off like he he

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knows the deal he's he's not stupid like i just

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i dropped in this hole i was going through it

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no problem so i'm just pop pop pop pop pop i'm

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like what the hell then i just put it in drive

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and drove out like it was nothing whereas mark

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just went Skirt. I tried going through a two

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-wheel drive. That was a bad idea. Yeah. Yeah.

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You should have known that. Yeah. Man, I tell

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you what, man. Next time we have another winter

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storm where it just rains cats and dogs out,

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me and Alex, we got to go out and just fucking

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go drive. Yeah. Go drive, go wheel, just go down

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prairie or something. I... i've said this before

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like i like wheeling with both groups right btm

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and mint state tours that it's a very different

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feel in each group so in mint state tours it's

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like you're trying to get through the trail right

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you don't want any slowdowns you don't really

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want anyone get stuck you just kind of want to

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get through it with beyond the mitten it's like

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we're trying to get stuck and the fun times we're

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getting people out of it Like, it was, oh, dude,

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it was a fucking hit. I'm a very particular person

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about this. I like to watch other people get

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stuck. I like to help them get out. But I don't

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like to be the one that's stuck. So I'll take

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the bypass, go around, and then I'll hook the

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strap up to Alex and then pull him out. No problem

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with that. Done that before. A couple times.

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And I enjoy that, and it works. You know, it

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works. You know, I do less damage to my rig.

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I still have a blast. Alex can feel like he can

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do whatever he wants. Not that it matters either

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way. He'll do it whether I'm there or not. But

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winch. It's just nice when there's a solid. And

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the thing is, too, is winches really instill

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that confidence. And it's kind of a false confidence

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because you're really like, well, you know what?

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I got a winch. So if I get stuck, I'll just pull

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myself out. A lot of the times you get fucking

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stuck. And then you're like, well, I guess I'd

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better winch. Like, that's kind of a false confidence.

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And I like that because then you start using

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it. Yeah. That's what it's there for. Yeah, this

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is true. But, like, for me, winches are if you

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get stuck. You're not supposed to get stuck,

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though. Like, that's my thing. No, go get yourself

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stuck. That's half the fun of wheeling. Yeah.

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I think half the fun of wheeling is watching

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you recover. I like watching the recoveries.

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Yeah, but if no one did anything dumb, how would

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there be recoveries? Well, I mean, that's why

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I'm with you guys. Safety officer, remember?

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That's why I have all the recovery gear, and

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I watch you guys get stuck, and we go from there.

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Well, I'm the fun police, the fun officer. And

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not in the sense of I keep you from having fun.

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I do the fun things. I don't know. I think Mark's

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the fun officer. Mark always hits everything

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way harder than everybody else. And I feel like

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Alex is the test. He's the test dummy. He goes

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through it first. Yup. It's possible. Then Mark's

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like, sweet. Let's floor it. So then he floors

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it. And then I'm like, yup. Not after seeing

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those two guys go through it. Maybe I'm not gonna.

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No. To be fair, Mark would be a better test dummy

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because if Mark can get through it, I know I

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can get through it. But if I can get through

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it, we don't know Mark can get through it. I

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think we watch you and we watch the flex. We

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watch how hard it is because a lot of the times

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it's you, me, then Mark. Yeah. Because I try

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to watch Alex a lot to how he wheels and stuff,

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what lines he takes, and not do that so that

00:15:27.809 --> 00:15:30.879
I don't get stuck. So a lot of the times, I'm

00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:34.820
watching that. Because I go wheeling and I'm

00:15:34.820 --> 00:15:37.440
like, I'm in Michigan, okay, everything's easy.

00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.519
What's the hardest way to go? And Gavin's like,

00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:43.399
I just want the easiest way. Yeah, I just want

00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.960
to get through it with the least amount of mechanical

00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:51.580
damage or stress, right? Like, I'll go through

00:15:51.580 --> 00:15:54.980
the same thing, but I won't on purpose take the

00:15:54.980 --> 00:15:58.049
hard line. I'm trying to put the least amount

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of stress on my truck as possible so that I can

00:16:01.230 --> 00:16:03.730
wheel for three years without having to do any

00:16:03.730 --> 00:16:06.929
major repairs. Now that I've wheeled for two

00:16:06.929 --> 00:16:09.250
years, I'm coming up on where I have to start

00:16:09.250 --> 00:16:14.230
doing repairs. Yeah. Hey, repairs are half the

00:16:14.230 --> 00:16:16.570
fun too, dude. Building is fun. I hate it. I

00:16:16.570 --> 00:16:19.529
wish I loved it like you guys. I really do. But

00:16:19.529 --> 00:16:23.039
here's the thing. You break something. You upgrade

00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.120
it so you can't break it the same way again.

00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:27.960
I break something. I can't afford to get the

00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:32.220
cool stuff to upgrade it. And then I also can't

00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:35.200
afford to spend as much on groceries. So that's

00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.679
where that like comes into it. It's not so fun.

00:16:38.700 --> 00:16:43.539
Dude, I will 100 % admit that we have gone two

00:16:43.539 --> 00:16:46.740
weeks living off of ramen noodles and like turkey

00:16:46.740 --> 00:16:49.659
breast to afford truck parts. I wish I could.

00:16:50.009 --> 00:16:52.309
But I am also feeding two other people that don't

00:16:52.309 --> 00:16:56.269
want that. Three. Same. I'm sorry. Because I

00:16:56.269 --> 00:16:59.429
also feed her dad. So I make all the meals. I've

00:16:59.429 --> 00:17:02.710
got two. I've got two. But I just say, we're

00:17:02.710 --> 00:17:04.569
broke this week. And they put up with it. Yeah.

00:17:04.750 --> 00:17:08.410
I probably end up getting eaten for one of those.

00:17:10.170 --> 00:17:12.730
We're doing good, though. We're getting better.

00:17:12.849 --> 00:17:16.549
We're getting better into the money thing. I

00:17:16.549 --> 00:17:18.809
think this winter is going to be mostly focused

00:17:18.809 --> 00:17:21.789
on paying that off, getting the few little extras

00:17:21.789 --> 00:17:24.869
that I want to get, like a diesel heater, and

00:17:24.869 --> 00:17:28.990
then getting the parts, the replacement parts,

00:17:29.230 --> 00:17:33.529
so that I can do everything all at once. You

00:17:33.529 --> 00:17:36.890
know, like ball joints, wheel bearings. Wheel

00:17:36.890 --> 00:17:42.849
bearings. Do you have them? I might have one.

00:17:45.069 --> 00:17:49.250
Brian might have gave me one or two. Well, that's

00:17:49.250 --> 00:17:51.289
good news. He gave you front calipers too, right?

00:17:51.410 --> 00:17:53.150
He gave me front... Well, he gave me calipers.

00:17:53.230 --> 00:17:56.730
I don't remember if they're front or rear. I

00:17:56.730 --> 00:18:02.269
want to say they're rear. But... Gotcha. Still,

00:18:02.309 --> 00:18:05.690
I'll have to look because I think he might have

00:18:05.690 --> 00:18:09.430
gave me a wheel bearing. Interesting, interesting.

00:18:12.220 --> 00:18:14.880
Also, weird topic, but my eyes are kind of blue

00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:19.259
right now. Yeah, you looking up but not looking

00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:24.599
at the camera didn't help. Does that help? Wrong

00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:29.299
camera, but yeah. Really? Middle. Yep, right

00:18:29.299 --> 00:18:32.059
there. That camera, whatever that camera is.

00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.039
I don't know. You have three different cameras

00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:40.369
you were looking at. No, I have two, but. I didn't

00:18:40.369 --> 00:18:44.910
know which one was which. I'm sorry. Okay. I

00:18:44.910 --> 00:18:46.730
should have more of your head than what it does

00:18:46.730 --> 00:18:51.289
in this one. Say what? The one that you were

00:18:51.289 --> 00:18:53.490
looking at. Is that like up top, up top? Yeah,

00:18:53.630 --> 00:18:56.069
that would be on your head more than face. Yeah,

00:18:56.089 --> 00:19:01.009
that's way higher. Yeah, it's not even. I always

00:19:01.009 --> 00:19:03.450
forget which one's the hooked up one. I got two

00:19:03.450 --> 00:19:06.480
of them for Christmas. Putting them on monitors

00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:10.980
is a good place to store the extra water. Oh,

00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:17.259
God. Yeah, I mean, Poker Run, well, that Everett,

00:19:17.259 --> 00:19:21.720
that twisty trail that we did here, it's probably

00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:24.960
been the hardest one that I've had to do. But,

00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:28.440
man, I tell you the difference between last Poker

00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:32.019
Run last year to this year. I mean, granted,

00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.809
there wasn't snow. But between the tires, the

00:19:35.809 --> 00:19:39.750
experience, the slop, it was a whole different

00:19:39.750 --> 00:19:46.230
game. And just think, we're coming up on another

00:19:46.230 --> 00:19:50.329
one. Yeah. I don't know how that's going to...

00:19:50.329 --> 00:19:53.269
I haven't heard anything about that. I'm excited.

00:19:53.430 --> 00:19:57.710
Poker Run was fun. And we're teaming up with

00:19:57.710 --> 00:20:01.420
Busted to Build. Oh, are we? Yeah. Yeah, we're

00:20:01.420 --> 00:20:04.779
forming the B team. Botches Off -Road and Busted

00:20:04.779 --> 00:20:09.140
Built. And she started t -shirts, so. That's

00:20:09.140 --> 00:20:13.720
cool. I didn't know that's why you asked. Yeah,

00:20:13.740 --> 00:20:17.079
that's why I asked for sizes. No, that'll be

00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:21.079
fun. I will hopefully have whatever's going on

00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:24.200
with my truck figured out before then. Like I

00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:26.140
said, Friday I'll probably stop by so we can

00:20:26.140 --> 00:20:30.299
try and just get it pinned down because. I would

00:20:30.299 --> 00:20:33.539
be really, really, I don't know how I feel about

00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:37.079
going back there and doing it again in shittier

00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:41.819
conditions. Man, I don't even want, dude, the

00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:45.420
water right now already is turning me off. Like,

00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:47.740
I don't know if I want to dunk my truck back

00:20:47.740 --> 00:20:51.619
through that shit. Oh, hell yeah. I'm so down.

00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:54.940
Well, it wasn't so bad when we went through it,

00:20:54.980 --> 00:20:57.440
but when me and Mark went through it last year.

00:20:58.299 --> 00:21:00.440
There was some big ass ice chunks. I'm just like

00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.759
waiting for one of those to get like put up into

00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:06.500
my fan or like because we were sinking our fucking

00:21:06.500 --> 00:21:10.259
trucks there for a second. Oh, I drove the black

00:21:10.259 --> 00:21:12.559
truck last. Yeah, dude, you're going to get a

00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:17.400
rerun. Oh, God. And I was like so scared of breaking

00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:22.039
that thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a terrible

00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.539
ride. I remember because you didn't want to keep

00:21:24.539 --> 00:21:27.690
going because you were hurting so bad. Yeah.

00:21:27.730 --> 00:21:30.170
Because I was like, well, fuck it. We made it

00:21:30.170 --> 00:21:31.710
through this, this, and this. Let's keep going.

00:21:31.750 --> 00:21:33.630
And you're like, eh, I think we should stop.

00:21:35.609 --> 00:21:39.190
But that truck is getting the same shocks that

00:21:39.190 --> 00:21:42.329
were on my 4Runner last year, so that problem

00:21:42.329 --> 00:21:45.450
will go away. So we're going to have to replace

00:21:45.450 --> 00:21:50.369
them after, like, 10 miles? Why? Didn't your

00:21:50.369 --> 00:21:56.150
shocks blow out? Oh, no, not those. Okay. Pretty

00:21:56.150 --> 00:21:57.809
sure I was like, didn't we go to like a Riggs

00:21:57.809 --> 00:21:59.710
and Coffey, come back, and they were blown out?

00:22:00.849 --> 00:22:03.990
Yeah. When we got to Riggs and Coffey. Yeah.

00:22:04.309 --> 00:22:07.109
I put new shocks on, got two Riggs and Coffey,

00:22:07.170 --> 00:22:09.789
and they were bad. And then when I tried to send

00:22:09.789 --> 00:22:12.390
them back and get warranty back, the freaking

00:22:12.390 --> 00:22:14.849
hurricane hit and destroyed North Carolina where

00:22:14.849 --> 00:22:20.269
the warehouse was. You've put a lot into your

00:22:20.269 --> 00:22:27.180
truck this year. A lot. Dude. It's insane. Long

00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:32.099
travel, roof rack. There's more. There's more.

00:22:33.779 --> 00:22:39.579
35s. Yep, I did tires, winch, winch bumper, lights,

00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:45.240
you know, the solar panel, switch panel. Oh,

00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:50.799
God, what else? Oh, roof rack also, boxes. Yeah,

00:22:51.740 --> 00:22:56.049
I did a switch panel too. I did two new bumpers,

00:22:56.190 --> 00:23:00.990
skin plate. Switch panel. Log light, switch panel,

00:23:01.190 --> 00:23:03.890
rooftop. Someone got a new radio, didn't they?

00:23:05.029 --> 00:23:07.450
Mark, didn't you get a new radio? Or handheld?

00:23:07.789 --> 00:23:14.630
Or whatever? No. Yeah, you got the. Handheld

00:23:14.630 --> 00:23:17.730
with the turn knobs. Yeah. I was like, someone

00:23:17.730 --> 00:23:22.900
got something. Single den. I did a lot. Yeah,

00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:25.240
they're definitely not the same trucks they were

00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:28.559
a year ago. No, I mean, even like the configuration,

00:23:28.740 --> 00:23:32.279
my configuration for camping, your configuration

00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.160
for camping, everybody's configuration has changed

00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:38.220
quite a bit. Oh, yeah, camping has been a change

00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:41.880
for me and Alex a lot this year. I added the

00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:46.519
swag, the shitter house. I like that you guys

00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.920
are more independent than you were when you started.

00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:53.680
That's about it. Well, no, like, I don't know.

00:23:53.700 --> 00:23:58.500
Like, when I think we first started, it was very,

00:23:58.619 --> 00:24:01.440
like, everybody threw everything and you guys

00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:05.839
shared one tent or one or two tents. And now,

00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:07.759
like, everybody's got a single tent for themselves.

00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:11.180
Like, you guys have, like, your cooking situated

00:24:11.180 --> 00:24:15.980
between. Cooking's the same. It's one kitchen

00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:19.130
for both trips. You have it set up in, like,

00:24:19.190 --> 00:24:22.490
your boxes set up there. He's got his boxes set

00:24:22.490 --> 00:24:24.950
up. Like, I just mean, like, you guys have kind

00:24:24.950 --> 00:24:31.410
of... Yeah, the packout plan finally got implemented.

00:24:31.769 --> 00:24:34.849
Oh, the trailer. And that's... The trailer. You're

00:24:34.849 --> 00:24:37.170
forgetting, like, the biggest one. Like, the

00:24:37.170 --> 00:24:40.250
trailer build and the whole camp trailer build

00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:43.450
for that. I mean, it's been a hell of a year.

00:24:44.990 --> 00:24:47.809
Like... Our stuff is still very much so shared.

00:24:47.970 --> 00:24:49.650
I mean, that was the whole point in Botches was

00:24:49.650 --> 00:24:52.670
we could get out and do stuff and not all of

00:24:52.670 --> 00:24:55.569
us had to buy separate equipment. Because a lot

00:24:55.569 --> 00:25:01.130
of it's more than one person can use. So, like,

00:25:01.190 --> 00:25:03.910
yeah, we haven't really... Tent's about the same.

00:25:03.950 --> 00:25:05.809
Me and Kaylin share a tent. The only difference

00:25:05.809 --> 00:25:08.690
is Alan has his own tent now. Well, I mean, like,

00:25:08.730 --> 00:25:11.910
your tent setup has changed. Like, light fighters

00:25:11.910 --> 00:25:15.680
and your Wagaboo or... Whatever it's called.

00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:17.640
Yeah, swag. Swag. I was just thinking of some

00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.519
Australian name. I couldn't think of it, but

00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:25.000
yeah. Wallop. Wallop, yeah. Wallaboo. Kangaroo

00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:31.420
and wallaby. But yeah, the swag definitely changed

00:25:31.420 --> 00:25:34.200
my camping layout a shit ton. Dog swag. Yeah,

00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.680
I even forgot about that. I've got a kid this

00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:43.660
year. Like, the dog swag is... I always say this.

00:25:43.700 --> 00:25:45.859
At first, you think it's like the dumbest thing

00:25:45.859 --> 00:25:49.000
ever, right? It's just a tent for your dog. But

00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.960
at the same time, that dog, it makes him so much

00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.680
more comfortable at camp. And you too. He's not

00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:01.700
up your ass. He's got his own space that he can

00:26:01.700 --> 00:26:04.660
go to whenever he wants. He gets away from everybody,

00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:07.740
kind of resets, and then he comes back to play.

00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.079
So what's one thing you thought you would be?

00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:13.880
that you would have this year that you didn't

00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:18.960
actually get? Like, because for me, like, I had

00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.019
plans much bigger than what ended up happening

00:26:22.019 --> 00:26:25.500
this year. But, like, so is there anything that,

00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.299
Mark, Alex, anything that you planned that was

00:26:29.299 --> 00:26:32.220
going to happen that was, yep, yep, this next

00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:33.980
year, this is what's going down, and then it

00:26:33.980 --> 00:26:38.200
never did? I'm still riding on my shitty factory

00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.259
seats that are all ripped to shreds. Yep, I remember

00:26:41.259 --> 00:26:44.980
you talking about going to Corbeau. I shouldn't

00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:46.799
even remember that name, but you've said it so

00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:52.640
many times. I'm definitely getting Corbeau seats

00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.420
this winter, though, because I'm sick and tired

00:26:55.420 --> 00:26:57.559
of it. Heated. You going to do a little heated?

00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:01.759
No. A little heated section? Nope, no heated

00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.269
section. So here's the thing. So Corbeau actually

00:27:05.269 --> 00:27:08.269
just came out with a seat I really like. I'll

00:27:08.269 --> 00:27:10.930
send it to the group chat and I guess we'll link

00:27:10.930 --> 00:27:13.769
it in the show notes. The problem is that I'm

00:27:13.769 --> 00:27:15.809
not getting actual Corbeau seats. I'm getting

00:27:15.809 --> 00:27:18.950
seats made in the same factory that aren't labeled

00:27:18.950 --> 00:27:25.730
Corbeau for like a fraction of the cost. Oh,

00:27:25.750 --> 00:27:28.789
fuck. How do I find these things? What about

00:27:28.789 --> 00:27:30.829
you, Mark? Anything that you thought you were

00:27:30.829 --> 00:27:32.430
going to have this year that you were just like,

00:27:32.470 --> 00:27:37.089
shit. Didn't happen, wasn't in the plans. Nothing

00:27:37.089 --> 00:27:39.869
I could think of, in all honesty. That's good.

00:27:39.970 --> 00:27:43.430
That's kind of what you want, right? Yeah. You

00:27:43.430 --> 00:27:45.769
want to be able to achieve everything that you

00:27:45.769 --> 00:27:50.769
were trying for. I mean, you got your bumpers.

00:27:51.670 --> 00:27:55.950
Yeah. You got your roof rack. You got your spare

00:27:55.950 --> 00:27:59.190
tire carrier. You're pretty much everything,

00:27:59.390 --> 00:28:01.609
man. You even got a new exhaust here recently.

00:28:03.300 --> 00:28:07.319
That wasn't planned, but... Yeah, right. So...

00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:12.279
I think the only thing was packout mounts in

00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:16.619
the cab of the truck, but that has changed because

00:28:16.619 --> 00:28:20.500
don't really need that space for packouts quite

00:28:20.500 --> 00:28:25.920
yet. Right. So... Can I not find these seats

00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.900
on their website anymore? That actually makes

00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:32.039
me sad. No more for you. I think the big... I

00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.480
think the biggest surprise this year was getting

00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.220
almost all the camp stuff out and in one system

00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:43.160
pretty much now. Yeah. Yeah. Both cots and chair

00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:46.200
and then the rest of the tent set up. Yeah. I

00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.759
was quite surprised by that one. Yeah, it really

00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.619
does help, too, space -wise. I mean, we really

00:28:51.619 --> 00:28:56.700
made a lot of room by just consolidating. But

00:28:56.700 --> 00:29:00.359
also, like, we don't need... to carry all the

00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.900
chairs inside the truck. I found a place outside

00:29:02.900 --> 00:29:05.960
of the truck for them. And then we picked up

00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:11.819
a few more gadgets, like a stove, fans, stuff

00:29:11.819 --> 00:29:14.599
like that, that kind of help with just camp life

00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:19.380
in general. Okay, so they did a limited run,

00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.079
and they're all sold out. But I sent the video

00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.900
to the group chat. They were sick, dude. Like,

00:29:25.900 --> 00:29:30.109
they were the perfect seats for my 4Runner. I

00:29:30.109 --> 00:29:32.369
think for mine, the only thing that I didn't

00:29:32.369 --> 00:29:36.569
get that I planned on getting this year was a

00:29:36.569 --> 00:29:44.150
diesel heater and a rooftop tent. I got the roof

00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:47.109
rack. I got pretty much everything else. I think

00:29:47.109 --> 00:29:53.470
the rooftop tent was the big one, and the one

00:29:53.470 --> 00:29:56.329
that I had been planning on getting for now a

00:29:56.329 --> 00:30:01.319
year and a half. Surprise, surprise, guys. Big

00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.140
news. You guys probably already heard about it,

00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:07.720
and I probably already mentioned it, but 4x4

00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.039
Colorado is officially going out of business,

00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.539
filed for - Oh, that's the one you were going

00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:16.579
for? Yep, for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. And they

00:30:16.579 --> 00:30:23.259
screwed so many people. They had $421 ,000 in

00:30:23.259 --> 00:30:26.640
assets and $1 .3 million in liabilities at the

00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:32.099
time of filing. Yeah, they screwed so... Like,

00:30:32.099 --> 00:30:34.680
I'm glad you didn't order that tent, dude. I'm

00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.640
so glad you didn't. Yeah, they just got so fucking

00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.039
behind on every... They were just growing so

00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:42.359
fast, they couldn't keep up. Then they started

00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.400
fucking people over. And the thing is, you can

00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.400
go find their tents. They're still made. They're

00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.460
all over Alibaba. I know, I've seen them. Because

00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:55.779
all 4x4 Colorado was was a rebranding. Yep. That's

00:30:55.779 --> 00:30:59.730
all they did. They just rebranded... Which is

00:30:59.730 --> 00:31:04.250
just crazy. I mean, you look at its revenue sharply

00:31:04.250 --> 00:31:07.750
declined, dropping from $3 .6 million the previous

00:31:07.750 --> 00:31:11.710
year to $1 .3 million. And they're not the only

00:31:11.710 --> 00:31:16.390
one, dude. It's like the rooftop game in general

00:31:16.390 --> 00:31:19.829
is collapsing right now. 23 -0 is pulling out

00:31:19.829 --> 00:31:22.130
of the U .S. They haven't announced it, but you

00:31:22.130 --> 00:31:24.950
can see it happening. Yeah, it's just sad. And

00:31:24.950 --> 00:31:28.440
I think half of it is just how hard it is. and

00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.460
how costly it is to get things over here, which

00:31:30.460 --> 00:31:34.279
it is what it is. We all have to kind of live

00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:38.039
with that right now. That and the amount of people

00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.359
going back to ground tents. Yeah, yeah. There

00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:42.339
is a lot of people going back to ground tents.

00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:47.220
If I was to ever – I tried the pop -up style

00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:51.680
tents. They just take too much space. They do.

00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:55.180
Uh, and then us packing it back into our fucking

00:31:55.180 --> 00:31:57.779
bag after using it for two days in the rain,

00:31:57.900 --> 00:32:00.920
me and Alex and Sienna were doing it together

00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.619
because, and we were just all kind of like, yeah,

00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:06.240
this is a fucking pain in the ass. To, to be

00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.660
fair, that was one of like the largest pop -up

00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:10.640
dents you can buy. And it wasn't a good one.

00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.619
And, and so, I mean, I haven't even opened this

00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:16.059
since. It's probably fucking molded right out.

00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.299
But like, like it was soaking wet. There was

00:32:19.299 --> 00:32:21.680
dirt all over it and shit. And I'm just like.

00:32:22.009 --> 00:32:23.910
You know, I can't shake this thing out properly.

00:32:26.009 --> 00:32:28.470
It's all got all the frame inside of it and everything.

00:32:28.529 --> 00:32:31.509
It's like you can't shake it out. You can't flip

00:32:31.509 --> 00:32:33.630
it upside down. You spray it out. You can't.

00:32:33.730 --> 00:32:36.170
You set it up, you wash it, and you put it away.

00:32:36.349 --> 00:32:39.630
And I don't have a hose. Like, I don't have the

00:32:39.630 --> 00:32:43.329
way to, like, spray these out effectively. So

00:32:43.329 --> 00:32:47.150
it's just like it's just not working. And it

00:32:47.150 --> 00:32:49.589
was too big for us. Sienna and I were sleeping

00:32:49.589 --> 00:32:52.740
in it. We're like. This just feels so unnecessary.

00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:57.819
It was. 100%. If you were to get a pop -up tent,

00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:01.539
you don't need that one. If I was to do any pop

00:33:01.539 --> 00:33:05.839
-up tent, it'd be closer to the style of the

00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:11.500
famous ones that everyone's using. Gazelle? Yeah,

00:33:11.539 --> 00:33:14.819
it'd be closer to that style, but it probably

00:33:14.819 --> 00:33:17.559
wouldn't be a Gazelle unless I got a crazy deal

00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:21.859
on them. Something like the Acacia would be really

00:33:21.859 --> 00:33:23.579
good for you guys. I'd like the Acacia too, but

00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:28.359
we really need something that takes space out

00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.319
of the truck, not puts more in. Put it on the

00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.660
roof. I don't want to have to put it on the roof

00:33:34.660 --> 00:33:37.339
while I'm driving through. I don't want to have

00:33:37.339 --> 00:33:40.500
to throw it on the roof every night when we go

00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:44.140
to a different spot. It's not that bad. I don't

00:33:44.140 --> 00:33:47.940
know. Maybe it's not, but I just like... trailing

00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:50.579
all day and then getting it off of the roof and

00:33:50.579 --> 00:33:52.359
throwing it down there and putting it together

00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:54.740
and then packing everything up throwing it back

00:33:54.740 --> 00:33:56.720
on the roof strapping it down it's just like

00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:02.579
you could really if that if that's what you're

00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:04.759
looking for you should really look at like a

00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:11.059
bushman style uh uh awning where you just pull

00:34:11.059 --> 00:34:14.039
the awning out and then throw the bushman's uh

00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.989
enclosure on and then boom you're done You mean

00:34:16.989 --> 00:34:21.730
like a side awning for the truck where you have

00:34:21.730 --> 00:34:25.989
the, like it zips onto the awning part, the roof?

00:34:27.389 --> 00:34:29.989
Yeah, well, some of them, like the 230 one's

00:34:29.989 --> 00:34:32.409
fully enclosed and it just clips on. I've seen

00:34:32.409 --> 00:34:36.789
those. I've definitely tossed that around. I

00:34:36.789 --> 00:34:41.119
don't know. Like, if you did a 90 -degree awning,

00:34:41.219 --> 00:34:42.679
which is the one that just pulls straight out,

00:34:42.699 --> 00:34:44.639
I'll send you a link to one. No, I mean, I know

00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.820
what you're talking about. I get it. It's been

00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:49.940
a thought to actually do that with one of the

00:34:49.940 --> 00:34:56.239
270s. But I just, I don't know. Because the only

00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:00.179
downside to these is the floor. Like, we got

00:35:00.179 --> 00:35:03.900
to figure out a floor situation. No, the Bushman

00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:07.179
hasn't. The one I sent you, it's got everything.

00:35:08.139 --> 00:35:10.400
A full tent that just clips to the outside or

00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:12.280
to your awning, and then boom, it's a tent now.

00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:14.440
Yeah, I'd be interested in looking up reviews

00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:18.500
and setups for this style tent. Gavin's gone

00:35:18.500 --> 00:35:20.260
again, guys. I haven't really looked too much

00:35:20.260 --> 00:35:22.219
into this. You still hear him, but we don't.

00:35:22.780 --> 00:35:26.460
What? Oh, you were gone again. I was announcing

00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:29.139
to the listeners that you were gone, but then

00:35:29.139 --> 00:35:30.719
I remembered that you're recording independently,

00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.519
so they still hear you. Oh, don't worry. I'm

00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:37.340
going to have to flip my... my time before because

00:35:37.340 --> 00:35:39.780
I just pressed record instead of going to a new

00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:43.219
session or 30 minutes. Oh, nice. I'll have to

00:35:43.219 --> 00:35:46.300
clip that. I forgot. I forgot to do the cough

00:35:46.300 --> 00:35:50.360
button. Yeah, dude. Like really a Bushman style

00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.719
for you guys would be really good. Yeah. And

00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:58.559
then get like, you know, get a, a two person

00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:04.539
like queen sized, uh, caught of some kind. Yeah.

00:36:04.659 --> 00:36:09.659
I just, We'll see. We'll see where it takes me.

00:36:09.659 --> 00:36:13.260
That's like, aside from a swag, I'd say that's

00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:17.239
almost the lightest you can go with like overland

00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.559
style camping. Yeah. I mean, and the thing is

00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.679
like right now our tent doesn't take up much,

00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:28.159
much more than what a typical beach towel does.

00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:31.800
Yeah. And it doesn't take you all that long.

00:36:31.820 --> 00:36:35.059
No, it only takes us, I would say probably. two

00:36:35.059 --> 00:36:39.579
minutes at the tops with rain fly and then you

00:36:39.579 --> 00:36:42.159
gotta put your bed in it but yeah yeah which

00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:44.519
we have a good thing going we gotta have a good

00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.219
system like i do you know i help set it to start

00:36:48.219 --> 00:36:51.760
the tent she gets in it with the inflator the

00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.039
kid goes in with her she fills everything up

00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:57.019
gets all the bedding ready while i start breaking

00:36:57.019 --> 00:37:00.380
down camp and getting everything cooked so the

00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:04.860
only The only issue I see with your tent is you've

00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:07.280
got to put the rain fly on separate. So if you're

00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.599
setting up in the rain, everything inside is

00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:10.900
going to fly. Yeah, we've done this a couple

00:37:10.900 --> 00:37:16.739
times now. We'll set up the rain fly first before

00:37:16.739 --> 00:37:19.719
we get the tent even out, and then we just throw

00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:21.659
everything under the rain fly and work under

00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:25.179
the rain fly. So, I mean, obviously everybody,

00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:27.480
like, there's ways to get around it, and, yeah,

00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:31.570
that's an inconvenience. I still want to go the

00:37:31.570 --> 00:37:37.289
rooftop route, but I think if I don't do an Alibaba

00:37:37.289 --> 00:37:40.570
tent, who knows how long. I mean, our sixth person's

00:37:40.570 --> 00:37:45.690
really done us well. That's the one with the

00:37:45.690 --> 00:37:47.010
fly that goes all the way to the ground, right?

00:37:47.010 --> 00:37:48.889
Both of them do, yeah, but it's the blue one,

00:37:48.989 --> 00:37:52.389
the bigger one. Yeah, I like that. I mean, it

00:37:52.389 --> 00:37:57.210
was good for $100. So, yeah, I mean, that one's

00:37:57.210 --> 00:38:00.590
done us well. And, you know, the only thing it

00:38:00.590 --> 00:38:02.989
doesn't do great with is like 40, 50 mile an

00:38:02.989 --> 00:38:06.210
hour winds. It starts to bow pretty good, but

00:38:06.210 --> 00:38:10.329
that's, you know, we had sand stakes on it this

00:38:10.329 --> 00:38:13.670
year when we took it out to Superior, and it

00:38:13.670 --> 00:38:16.889
wasn't as high as winds as last time, but we

00:38:16.889 --> 00:38:18.969
hit probably 30 mile an hour winds, and it was

00:38:18.969 --> 00:38:23.170
bowing in a little. But, I mean, again, for $100,

00:38:23.329 --> 00:38:27.550
and it's a massive tent, so I can't really complain

00:38:27.550 --> 00:38:30.329
too bad about it. next year i think we're going

00:38:30.329 --> 00:38:32.869
to continue along with that until we find a rooftop

00:38:32.869 --> 00:38:36.829
that you know that we really want but otherwise

00:38:36.829 --> 00:38:38.570
we're not i don't think i'm going to push for

00:38:38.570 --> 00:38:41.610
it as hard as i wanted to this year just because

00:38:41.610 --> 00:38:45.030
we're doing okay like we got we have this setup

00:38:45.030 --> 00:38:50.070
pretty well dialed in so i'm not gonna lie i

00:38:50.070 --> 00:38:52.550
wish that i thought of a bushman before i bought

00:38:52.550 --> 00:38:55.780
the swag because I would actually love that.

00:38:55.940 --> 00:38:58.679
I'd be really interested to see setup take down

00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:03.019
and then, like, testing. Because having that

00:39:03.019 --> 00:39:06.280
as a, you know, the other cool thing about that

00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:10.679
would be the hinges, the hinge donning, being

00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:13.360
able to do that, to hinge it up to where it sits

00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.699
on your roof and then pivot it down. I know.

00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.340
It'd be, I mean, it wouldn't work with my current

00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:25.409
roof rack, but. yeah i i don't know i i really

00:39:25.409 --> 00:39:28.550
like the idea of the bushman and if i'm not sleeping

00:39:28.550 --> 00:39:31.349
in it i don't see it as worth it like if it was

00:39:31.349 --> 00:39:34.730
my tent right yeah it'd be perfect but if i'm

00:39:34.730 --> 00:39:37.010
doing it just to have more space it's no longer

00:39:37.010 --> 00:39:39.409
worth it yeah no the only time i could see one

00:39:39.409 --> 00:39:44.119
of those bushman tents being like really effective

00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.559
or worthwhile is in winter camping like having

00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:50.619
just a nice room that you could set up having

00:39:50.619 --> 00:39:52.880
a little diesel heater in there and have two

00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.119
or three guys go in there play some poker drink

00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:58.179
a little bit before you can't go to bed but but

00:39:58.179 --> 00:40:01.059
the downside to that is now if you want to go

00:40:01.059 --> 00:40:03.500
wheeling you've got to tear it down in the snow

00:40:03.500 --> 00:40:06.719
typically yeah or you just get it Or you just

00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.099
get the Viva Canopy we've got and do the same

00:40:09.099 --> 00:40:11.340
thing with more space, and you don't have to

00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:13.320
tear it down to go. Yeah, but our two styles

00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.719
of wheeling, usually when you're wheeling six

00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:19.420
hours a day, you're not packing shit up in the

00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:21.400
middle of the night to go out and do more. Like,

00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:26.519
you're done. Yeah, but winter wheeling, you're

00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.360
not doing that as much. Winter camping, I mean.

00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.559
Because there's, one, not as many places as you

00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.469
can go. There's not. you're limited right so

00:40:36.469 --> 00:40:38.849
you're pretty much doing setup and take down

00:40:38.849 --> 00:40:41.929
when you're done yeah i mean it's not from what

00:40:41.929 --> 00:40:46.070
i've seen a winter camping um and the very little

00:40:46.070 --> 00:40:49.429
i've done of it it was very cut and dry like

00:40:49.429 --> 00:40:53.309
we don't even hang out much like when when i've

00:40:53.309 --> 00:40:55.989
done it and this was years ago before i was even

00:40:55.989 --> 00:40:58.829
doing the overland thing but it was a lot more

00:40:58.829 --> 00:41:01.750
of like build a fire make your food in the fire

00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.099
Once everybody had what they wanted to eat, it

00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:07.559
was pretty much get in your tents and get warm,

00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:11.980
and that was it. That's the boring kind of winter

00:41:11.980 --> 00:41:15.000
camping, though. The fun kind is when you have

00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.639
a nice big 12x12 awning and you get to play cards

00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.019
and stoke the wood stove and have a good time.

00:41:22.300 --> 00:41:23.500
Yeah, I mean, I can definitely see the appeal

00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:28.039
to that. One thing, if we want to talk about

00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.980
what we might get for next year, one thing I

00:41:30.980 --> 00:41:34.059
want to do is I want to get a smudge pot that

00:41:34.059 --> 00:41:37.539
I can break down and seal and then take camping

00:41:37.539 --> 00:41:40.739
with us. Because smudge pots put off enough heat

00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:43.360
that we could have just set a smudge pot, boom,

00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.500
the middle of the campsite, and now all of us

00:41:45.500 --> 00:41:49.360
have a little bit warmer of a tent area. I think

00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:56.250
next year we'll get some Ys, some Y duct. and

00:41:56.250 --> 00:42:01.010
a diesel heater, and I think we're going to start

00:42:01.010 --> 00:42:02.710
with the diesel heater. We're going to start

00:42:02.710 --> 00:42:05.730
in the spring with some snow on the ground and

00:42:05.730 --> 00:42:10.090
see how that works because I want to see how

00:42:10.090 --> 00:42:16.170
insulated we are from the ground. Just a few

00:42:16.170 --> 00:42:19.449
things I want to test before going into, like,

00:42:19.449 --> 00:42:22.610
a new winter camping. Yeah, no, it makes sense.

00:42:23.469 --> 00:42:27.630
I will say that, like, what is it, four or five

00:42:27.630 --> 00:42:30.809
inches that my swag has for a high -density mattress,

00:42:31.170 --> 00:42:35.329
I never got cold from underneath when I was sleeping

00:42:35.329 --> 00:42:38.030
out there. And it was cold that night. I mean,

00:42:38.030 --> 00:42:43.010
it got down to, like, 19, 18. I barely felt cold

00:42:43.010 --> 00:42:44.829
with ours, and then we got, like, four inches

00:42:44.829 --> 00:42:47.570
for our air mattresses. Yeah, I mean, even with

00:42:47.570 --> 00:42:50.230
my air mattress, the R value is only, like, 4

00:42:50.230 --> 00:42:53.409
.5, so it's... it's not for like below freezing

00:42:53.409 --> 00:42:56.989
but it's supposed to be good for like 20 30 degrees

00:42:56.989 --> 00:43:01.829
and up um but honestly even in that 30 degree

00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:06.030
area i haven't been cold on the bottom and and

00:43:06.030 --> 00:43:10.289
my specific uh sleeping bag type doesn't actually

00:43:10.289 --> 00:43:14.530
have like a bottom liner either so um it actually

00:43:14.530 --> 00:43:18.969
combines with the pad It like slips into the

00:43:18.969 --> 00:43:22.030
pad. So there is, there's like a small sheet

00:43:22.030 --> 00:43:26.170
that goes in between the pad and yourself, but

00:43:26.170 --> 00:43:29.150
there's not like a, there's, you're not fully

00:43:29.150 --> 00:43:33.929
closed really. So it's very much so a three season

00:43:33.929 --> 00:43:36.110
sleeping bag, not a four season. Yeah. I don't

00:43:36.110 --> 00:43:39.030
know. I mean, all I'm like in 30 degree weather,

00:43:39.110 --> 00:43:43.010
I'm fine. So I don't know. And anything much

00:43:43.010 --> 00:43:47.679
colder. with a sweatshirt on i think i'd be still

00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.340
okay i don't know that's kind of what i want

00:43:50.340 --> 00:43:53.400
to try out to see because i personally don't

00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.300
have any issues with my sleeping bag um in the

00:43:57.300 --> 00:44:00.280
cold the only thing that i want a diesel heater

00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:05.059
for is for my wife and kid um and it is mildly

00:44:05.059 --> 00:44:08.820
um uncomfortable to breathe ice cold air all

00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:13.960
night um but and i i'm claustrophobic so i don't

00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.869
like having the sleeping bag wrapped around me

00:44:16.869 --> 00:44:21.650
like that i want a diesel heater just for drying

00:44:21.650 --> 00:44:24.329
out the gear just having yeah i mean just having

00:44:24.329 --> 00:44:28.090
everything inside and warm would be nice that's

00:44:28.090 --> 00:44:30.929
i mean yeah uh like getting out and putting on

00:44:30.929 --> 00:44:34.449
your leather boots it's fucking torture every

00:44:34.449 --> 00:44:37.949
morning especially when you're getting out and

00:44:37.949 --> 00:44:43.579
putting them on on the ground like i miss I miss

00:44:43.579 --> 00:44:45.500
my light fighter because getting out and putting

00:44:45.500 --> 00:44:48.019
my boots on in the morning is way easier. Oh

00:44:48.019 --> 00:44:54.019
my gosh, it's Jasper. Yeah, it's really cute.

00:44:54.019 --> 00:45:00.780
Look over there, buddy. Yeah? Oh my gosh. Say

00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:11.130
hi, Jasper. Jasper, you're a little loud. We're

00:45:11.130 --> 00:45:12.469
going to have to turn you down. Jasper, you're

00:45:12.469 --> 00:45:17.869
a little loud. Can you go with Mama? No. Can

00:45:17.869 --> 00:45:26.389
you say hi? Can you say, um, hello? Hello. Say

00:45:26.389 --> 00:45:34.849
hi, Alex. Hello. Hi, Mark. Fuck. Sick. Oh, fuck.

00:45:36.070 --> 00:45:44.260
Sick. Go play with mama. Ready? What was he saying?

00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:48.780
Because it sure sounded like fuck. It sounded

00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:51.699
like fuck and something else. Don't ask me where

00:45:51.699 --> 00:45:56.460
you learned that from, guys. Don't ask me. There

00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:58.780
you go. Man, he was stinky. It's a good thing

00:45:58.780 --> 00:46:01.420
we passed him off. He's got a diaper to change.

00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.800
Yeah, I mean, hey, two years old. Wasn't he cute?

00:46:07.969 --> 00:46:10.710
He'll say yes to anything, and his hair's been

00:46:10.710 --> 00:46:13.449
bothering the shit out of me. It's just like

00:46:13.449 --> 00:46:15.550
because it's way too long in the back, and it

00:46:15.550 --> 00:46:18.510
gets in his eyes, and it bothers him. So I'm

00:46:18.510 --> 00:46:20.309
like, do you want me to cut your hair? And he

00:46:20.309 --> 00:46:25.429
goes, yeah. I said, are you sure? At least it

00:46:25.429 --> 00:46:27.409
wasn't. What kind of haircut do you want? I want

00:46:27.409 --> 00:46:30.150
it to be like Mark's, and Mark was bald at the

00:46:30.150 --> 00:46:35.659
time. No. And he's. He still asks for a haircut

00:46:35.659 --> 00:46:38.579
like Mark's, and I'm like, I can't copy it, sorry.

00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:42.599
He's not bald anymore. It's kind of a bowl cut.

00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.019
And Sienna's sister's like, why would you do

00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:48.880
that? She was so upset. She was like, you have

00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.980
to take him to a salon for the first time. And

00:46:50.980 --> 00:46:53.480
I'm like, dude, he wouldn't even sit still with

00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.760
a show on while I was buzzing his hair. I was

00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:00.760
like, so I only did like, I did about that much

00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.289
off the back of his head. which for listeners

00:47:04.289 --> 00:47:07.170
is about three and a half inches or so off the

00:47:07.170 --> 00:47:08.829
back of his head because he had a mullet going

00:47:08.829 --> 00:47:11.150
on, and he wouldn't stop moving. So it's a little

00:47:11.150 --> 00:47:15.210
uneven, but you know what? It looks a hell of

00:47:15.210 --> 00:47:18.610
a lot better than it did. Why would you take

00:47:18.610 --> 00:47:22.769
him to a salon? Sorry, I was yawning. Why would

00:47:22.769 --> 00:47:25.130
you take him to a salon? Just for his first haircut

00:47:25.130 --> 00:47:28.210
to make it, like, presentable. He's a man. I

00:47:28.210 --> 00:47:31.730
know. He's a man. Listen, I have a really good

00:47:31.730 --> 00:47:35.099
barber. He lives in Croton. His name is Vaughn.

00:47:35.219 --> 00:47:38.159
He does an amazing job. Yeah, I'm sure it's not

00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:41.099
hard with you to do a good job. I just don't

00:47:41.099 --> 00:47:43.659
have hair anymore, so I don't go to him. He's

00:47:43.659 --> 00:47:46.360
like, what do you want? Back when I had hair.

00:47:46.460 --> 00:47:50.119
Take it all off. He's like, I can do that. Back

00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.380
when I had hair, I went and saw Vaughn every

00:47:52.380 --> 00:47:55.920
week, and it was great. I mean, he's doing really

00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.300
good. He looks like a young kid now. After I

00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:04.579
cut his hair, I was like. Oh, shit. He gets up.

00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.199
I go, hey, can you, like, throw your diaper away?

00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:11.780
Yeah. Okay. Gets up, grabs his diaper, opens

00:48:11.780 --> 00:48:15.800
up the child safety locks. He can do that. Yeah.

00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:18.619
Throws it in the garbage, walks out, goes like

00:48:18.619 --> 00:48:21.980
that. He goes, I did it. And I go, you sure did,

00:48:22.059 --> 00:48:25.260
buddy. Dude, it's scary watching him go from

00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:28.840
a baby to, like, able to do stuff. Oh, it gets

00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.730
me teary -eyed sometimes because it's like. It's

00:48:31.730 --> 00:48:35.570
quick, dude. This last year of development, I

00:48:35.570 --> 00:48:38.329
shit you not, this time last year, he could barely

00:48:38.329 --> 00:48:42.050
even walk. And the worst part is we're going

00:48:42.050 --> 00:48:43.949
through, like, the same development stuff right

00:48:43.949 --> 00:48:47.530
now because Jaxie was so stuck. Yeah. But he's

00:48:47.530 --> 00:48:49.909
doing really good, and he's moving quick. Yeah.

00:48:50.150 --> 00:48:53.449
He caught on quick. So it's really good. Like,

00:48:53.510 --> 00:48:58.889
Jasper could say, and that's one, two, three.

00:48:59.090 --> 00:49:02.440
And, like, it's close enough. And, like, he can

00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:06.019
count. Like, he can sing. He can say and articulate

00:49:06.019 --> 00:49:09.639
most what he needs. So, you know, we're getting

00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.840
to a good place with him. He's doing well. Yeah.

00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:15.639
And obviously he loves the computer. Kids are

00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:20.340
great. The other day he set up a video call on

00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:25.139
here, actually, for pretty much all night because

00:49:25.139 --> 00:49:28.579
I didn't notice he did it. And then I got back

00:49:28.579 --> 00:49:30.860
on in the morning. I think I was editing one

00:49:30.860 --> 00:49:33.619
of our episodes, and I'm like, motherfucker.

00:49:33.820 --> 00:49:35.980
It's like eight hours, 20 -some minutes. I'm

00:49:35.980 --> 00:49:40.219
like, shit. I wonder if that's why the server

00:49:40.219 --> 00:49:42.300
crashed. Well, that was like over a week ago.

00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.340
Remember when I mentioned? Yeah, but we haven't

00:49:46.340 --> 00:49:50.340
used it since then. Maybe. I don't know. Blame

00:49:50.340 --> 00:49:53.159
the kid, man. And I don't even know how he does

00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:57.280
it. Oh, yeah, me and Mark used it last week.

00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:59.940
Oh, good. Yeah, it made me feel bad for a second.

00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:01.400
I don't even know how he does it, though. Like,

00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:04.800
the monitor's off. All he can see is the lights

00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:10.699
on the keyboard. And he just... He's sent messages

00:50:10.699 --> 00:50:14.460
before. He's... Alex thought I was trying to,

00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.760
like, put in chords or something. Dude, it was

00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.059
weird. No, it was just him pressing random shit,

00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:28.690
so... Dude, 23 -0. I'm just so disappointed that

00:50:28.690 --> 00:50:31.050
they're basically pulling out of the U .S. I'm

00:50:31.050 --> 00:50:34.409
disappointed in 4x4 Colorado. I've been looking

00:50:34.409 --> 00:50:38.309
at them for, you guys know, since I've started,

00:50:38.429 --> 00:50:44.550
and that's just been such a huge letdown. Just,

00:50:44.570 --> 00:50:48.969
it's like, I don't know, it's like watching your

00:50:48.969 --> 00:50:54.619
heroes fall, man. I've talked so well of them.

00:50:56.159 --> 00:51:04.280
Thankfully, it happened now. I mean, I started

00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.380
to get wary when people said they'd been waiting

00:51:06.380 --> 00:51:08.739
for about a year to get their tents, and that's

00:51:08.739 --> 00:51:13.039
when I started going, ooh, okay, maybe we should

00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:17.380
take a step back and look at them. But I think

00:51:17.380 --> 00:51:23.809
my next tent is Roof Nest. They have a nice rebrand.

00:51:23.809 --> 00:51:26.909
They have pretty good customer service. They

00:51:26.909 --> 00:51:30.389
have a large tent, like what I'm looking for,

00:51:30.449 --> 00:51:35.010
with a hard top, with proper venting. Seems to

00:51:35.010 --> 00:51:40.949
be good construction. And that is a double XL,

00:51:41.309 --> 00:51:46.110
sleeps 4+. We're going for comfort. We're not

00:51:46.110 --> 00:51:50.849
going for off -road ability. Keep that in mind,

00:51:50.889 --> 00:51:58.409
Alex. Comfort. You're camping. If you want comfort,

00:51:58.530 --> 00:52:01.809
get an RV. No. Dude, get an RV. You could get

00:52:01.809 --> 00:52:08.809
a sick four -wheel drive Econoline. No. You're

00:52:08.809 --> 00:52:10.929
shaking your head no, but I know you're thinking

00:52:10.929 --> 00:52:14.610
yeah. I mean, I would love to have a van to fuck

00:52:14.610 --> 00:52:19.639
around in, like a Mitsubishi or something. I

00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:23.460
don't know, man. I'm just not... I just want

00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:28.500
this. This is like, this is the dream. And once

00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:31.659
this dream's all dead and gone, I'll move on

00:52:31.659 --> 00:52:36.639
to something different. But, I mean... 4x4 Econoline.

00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:44.320
I really want like an old 80s series. Yeah, 80s

00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.579
series are sick, dude. I mean... They're like...

00:52:47.949 --> 00:52:50.809
they're like the better forerunner like there

00:52:50.809 --> 00:52:54.170
was a triple locked 80 series on marketplace

00:52:54.170 --> 00:53:02.269
um what a week ago for like 7k and it was running

00:53:02.269 --> 00:53:04.429
driving and i'm just like god that'd be just

00:53:04.429 --> 00:53:08.969
such a good base to start at and i'm just getting

00:53:08.969 --> 00:53:11.329
to the point where like i love my fj don't get

00:53:11.329 --> 00:53:15.429
me wrong but like I would just love to start

00:53:15.429 --> 00:53:22.570
something off that is classy, admirable. We've

00:53:22.570 --> 00:53:26.230
seen the FJs. We've seen the Wranglers, the Gladiators.

00:53:26.969 --> 00:53:29.949
We've seen all the common ones, the 3rd Gens,

00:53:30.050 --> 00:53:34.170
Tacomas. It'd just be really cool to have uncommon

00:53:34.170 --> 00:53:40.449
things again. It's like FJ80s. It'd be really

00:53:40.449 --> 00:53:44.260
cool for a single dude to do an FJ40. It'd be

00:53:44.260 --> 00:53:49.840
really cool to see someone do that. Or, yeah,

00:53:49.900 --> 00:53:53.960
it would. It'd just be cool to get to do some

00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.559
odd vehicles. That's all. What did I send you?

00:53:57.579 --> 00:54:03.679
Was it a Chevy or a Ford? That wagon? It was

00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:07.619
like a little lifted. Dude, that was so long

00:54:07.619 --> 00:54:12.469
ago, I don't remember. I want to see. It sure

00:54:12.469 --> 00:54:16.610
feels like it. I want to see someone build a

00:54:16.610 --> 00:54:19.969
GeoTracker or a Suzuki Samurai. It was a Ford.

00:54:21.030 --> 00:54:26.869
Dude, that was like weeks ago. 1969 Ford Fairlane

00:54:26.869 --> 00:54:33.090
500. It's got a 302 .50 from an 80s Mustang.

00:54:33.170 --> 00:54:37.400
Fresh four -speed automatic transmission. uh

00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:41.019
new rear leaf spring shackles front end suspension

00:54:41.019 --> 00:54:44.800
all rebuilt all new shocks power assist steering

00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:50.159
they want 14 .5 for it which is crazy but is

00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:58.280
it is a sexy wagon man sex i'd really like to

00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:04.369
see someone do a jeep renegade because for a

00:55:04.369 --> 00:55:07.550
Michigan trail bomber, it would be fucking mint.

00:55:08.150 --> 00:55:11.650
It's small. It can go just about anywhere. Just,

00:55:11.690 --> 00:55:14.110
oh, it'd be such a sick little Michigan overland.

00:55:14.130 --> 00:55:18.070
What is it? Yeah. The Jeep Renegade. Yeah, let

00:55:18.070 --> 00:55:20.710
me look this up here. Oh, I know what it is,

00:55:20.730 --> 00:55:22.269
yeah. I don't know why I was thinking. Yeah,

00:55:22.369 --> 00:55:25.909
it's, like, it would be such a sick Michigan

00:55:25.909 --> 00:55:29.969
bomber. Yeah, I mean, I think they're ugly, but

00:55:29.969 --> 00:55:35.739
it would be cool to see. I like them not for

00:55:35.739 --> 00:55:37.860
how they look, but for what they are, right?

00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:41.159
So they're shit. Don't get me wrong. They're

00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:44.960
a shit car. But they're small. They're four -wheel

00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.579
drive. They make decent power for what they are.

00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.780
Like, on paper, they're honestly a really good

00:55:50.780 --> 00:55:53.900
starting platform for a Michigan wheelie. I would

00:55:53.900 --> 00:55:56.719
love to, and this is just since we're talking

00:55:56.719 --> 00:56:01.000
about stupid Jeeps. I would love to get the,

00:56:01.059 --> 00:56:04.719
it's like an 0506. They made a diesel Jeep Liberty.

00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.840
And it was only sold in the US for like two years.

00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:15.460
It's a 2 .8. Yeah. The CRD. CRD? Yeah. Yep. Yep.

00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.860
And two, what is it? 160 horse, 295 feet of torque,

00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:27.469
22 city, 26 highway. So back in 2017, my stepmom

00:56:27.469 --> 00:56:30.230
was looking for a Jeep in Arizona, specifically

00:56:30.230 --> 00:56:35.909
a Liberty. And I had found a CRD with 85 ,000

00:56:35.909 --> 00:56:41.349
miles on it for just under 10 grand. Mark's falling

00:56:41.349 --> 00:56:45.570
asleep. Just under 10 grand. And this thing was

00:56:45.570 --> 00:56:49.429
clean as clean could be, dude. And it drove like

00:56:49.429 --> 00:56:53.119
it was. It felt heavy like a one -ton, but in

00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:56.559
a Liberty package. It was wild. I would also

00:56:56.559 --> 00:57:00.599
like to see someone build up an older Isuzu Rodeo.

00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:03.679
I thought those were such cool -looking trucks.

00:57:04.539 --> 00:57:07.079
You know what else would be a sick, like, just

00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:11.539
trail wheeler? Would be a Montero. Montero would

00:57:11.539 --> 00:57:15.500
be cool all around her, yeah. Mitsubishi Monteros

00:57:15.500 --> 00:57:17.860
were cool. Me and Alex were talking about those.

00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:21.480
uh just about being just a really cool all -around

00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:27.039
rig a couple yeah like like an 01 02 somewhere

00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.500
in there montero on like two inches of lift with

00:57:30.500 --> 00:57:36.159
like i bet you could stuff 33s or 35s i i doubt

00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.579
you can go that high but they come with a lot

00:57:38.579 --> 00:57:40.960
of those features that you'd expect in an overland

00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:45.820
rig like today um and they're just they're sick

00:57:45.820 --> 00:57:49.219
dude like and I liked that generation specifically

00:57:49.219 --> 00:57:51.840
because I liked the Pajero of that generation.

00:57:52.300 --> 00:57:56.780
So it's just a large Pajero then. It'd be cool

00:57:56.780 --> 00:57:59.039
to see someone with an older boxy Pathfinder

00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:05.579
too. Mark, do you remember that Pajero Evo that

00:58:05.579 --> 00:58:10.739
we saw in Detroit? Was it a Pajero? I thought

00:58:10.739 --> 00:58:14.360
it was like two Dwarfen. Yeah, that's a Pajero.

00:58:14.500 --> 00:58:18.679
Okay, yeah. oh my god dude that thing was fucking

00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:24.300
sick yeah 4g 63 four -wheel drive oh my god dude

00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:27.719
i want it if there's one vehicle i could have

00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.559
that i have literally no use to have it'd be

00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.619
a pajero evo like they're like 50 grand for a

00:58:33.619 --> 00:58:37.880
clean one yeah and i would be happy as a b i'd

00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:43.639
never drive it yeah i want like a shit box four

00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:48.380
-wheel drive bravado that i could just bomb Dude,

00:58:48.380 --> 00:58:52.039
do you know the 4Runner was supposed to be a

00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:56.739
91 Bravada with 40 ,000 miles on it on 33s? I

00:58:56.739 --> 00:59:01.280
do. That's why I'm fucking with you. God, did

00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:05.119
I send you pictures of that thing? Yeah. God,

00:59:05.179 --> 00:59:07.539
I wanted that truck so bad. It was so clean.

00:59:07.820 --> 00:59:11.739
That's what I want. I just want something I don't

00:59:11.739 --> 00:59:13.300
have to worry about, and I think that's just

00:59:13.300 --> 00:59:16.539
because I want. To stop worrying about vehicles,

00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:20.579
you know what I mean? I want to hit it big to

00:59:20.579 --> 00:59:22.179
where I can just be like, oh shit, this vehicle

00:59:22.179 --> 00:59:27.019
went out. Let me just switch up. Get my shitbox

00:59:27.019 --> 00:59:32.380
Ineos Grenadier out. Go whip my diesel BMW engine

00:59:32.380 --> 00:59:37.059
around. Dude, the Grenadiers are awesome. Yeah,

00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.170
I was just someone... I won't mention names,

00:59:40.269 --> 00:59:42.510
but someone was just talking about how his friend

00:59:42.510 --> 00:59:44.769
had gotten one and it had already blown the engine

00:59:44.769 --> 00:59:49.909
out on it. And I have to say and think that had

00:59:49.909 --> 00:59:52.110
to have been a one -off because I heard nothing

00:59:52.110 --> 00:59:56.590
but good on those BMW diesels. Dude, and really

00:59:56.590 --> 00:59:58.329
the Grenadier in general, it's got, what, like

00:59:58.329 --> 01:00:02.630
an 80 % reliability rating? And you got to think

01:00:02.630 --> 01:00:05.309
with those ratings, there's people that treat

01:00:05.309 --> 01:00:07.369
their cars like shit and never change the oil.

01:00:08.010 --> 01:00:09.789
And they're the ones that drive the scores down.

01:00:10.070 --> 01:00:16.369
Yeah. No, I would trade my FJ for an Ineos if

01:00:16.369 --> 01:00:20.050
it was a flat trade and I wasn't going to owe

01:00:20.050 --> 01:00:25.349
$55 ,000 on it. I would actually be flat for

01:00:25.349 --> 01:00:28.550
it. I'd straight trade the 4Runner for an Ineos

01:00:28.550 --> 01:00:31.590
in a heartbeat. Yeah, I'd do that. I'd take that

01:00:31.590 --> 01:00:36.739
hit. I'd even throw the trailer in. Yeah. I would

01:00:36.739 --> 01:00:42.500
give every vehicle we had here. Take my 93. Take

01:00:42.500 --> 01:00:47.619
the shitbox Saab. It's not mine, but I'm sure

01:00:47.619 --> 01:00:52.099
Cena's dad wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind taking

01:00:52.099 --> 01:00:55.599
a Mitsubishi Delica. If I said that correctly.

01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:00.059
Yeah, yeah. Is the Delica the van? Yes, that's

01:01:00.059 --> 01:01:03.030
the van. Yep. Yeah, the Delica vans are sick,

01:01:03.110 --> 01:01:06.650
dude. On Story Till Now, there's a guy that joins

01:01:06.650 --> 01:01:11.090
it, and he's got a Delica. Right? I could not

01:01:11.090 --> 01:01:13.369
believe, yeah. I couldn't believe how far he

01:01:13.369 --> 01:01:16.369
got with Wheelie the Crawler. Yeah, that's pretty

01:01:16.369 --> 01:01:21.570
crazy. I want a four -wheel drive, supercharged,

01:01:21.849 --> 01:01:29.570
five -speed Toyota Previa. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the

01:01:29.570 --> 01:01:35.510
same thing. Just Toyota. Yeah, the Previa's fucking

01:01:35.510 --> 01:01:39.269
sick. Are there mid -engine, too? That's crazy.

01:01:40.190 --> 01:01:43.070
Imagine, like, your shit breaking down, and you

01:01:43.070 --> 01:01:45.230
just, like, open it up inside the van and work

01:01:45.230 --> 01:01:49.389
on it with the heater on. Dude, I'm pretty sure

01:01:49.389 --> 01:01:51.309
the Previa's the mid -engine. Let me double -check

01:01:51.309 --> 01:01:53.710
that. I don't know. I don't think it is, but

01:01:53.710 --> 01:01:58.409
I could very be wrong. Yeah, the Previa and the

01:01:58.409 --> 01:02:03.440
Dodge rival. Oh, that reminds me, Dodge Raider.

01:02:04.699 --> 01:02:07.840
Dodge Raider would be a cool... Those are boxy

01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:12.059
little fuckers. Yeah, dude, I really can't believe

01:02:12.059 --> 01:02:14.320
that the Previa's mid -engine. That's fucking

01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:20.139
sick. Oh, sorry. I mean, isn't the most of your

01:02:20.139 --> 01:02:24.360
stub -nosed vans mid -engine? No, their engines

01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:29.420
are... Yeah, they're in the doghouse, but...

01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:32.659
This is mid -engine, like under your feet, behind

01:02:32.659 --> 01:02:37.820
the driver's seat. I don't know. I think Scotty

01:02:37.820 --> 01:02:40.739
is just doing a crazy cool job of his build.

01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:45.179
It's just seeing little wagons like that get

01:02:45.179 --> 01:02:48.320
turned into crawlers going across America. That's

01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:53.099
sick. Are you talking about the... Oh, dude,

01:02:53.219 --> 01:02:55.280
the Eagles, that's been going on. Those things

01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:56.659
are monsters. I know, I know. I'm just saying,

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I think his build is super cool. I love watching

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that. It'd be cool if someone did that with a

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Pinto. So it's not the same, right? Like, you're

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right, it would be, and you can find crawler

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Pintos. But the thing about the Eagle is that

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it's already a four -wheel drive car. I just

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want to see more wagons. The SX4 or the wagon

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of the Eagle are already off -road capable vehicles

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before you build them. It's like the Subaru.

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No, because the Eagle actually has ground clearance.

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They've got like eight or nine inches of ground

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clearance, dude. It's ridiculous. Seven or eight.

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Four. Well, I mean, you throw some Forester struts

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under them, they're about the same. Oh, my God.

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How can I rage bait Alex into quitting today?

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Oh, my God. I fucking hate Subarus, guys. I love

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Subarus. I do. They're a fucking blast. I like

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some Subarus because the Brat is really cool

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and the STI, well, obviously. Older WRXs are

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sick. Bug eyes. I love bug eyes. I love bug eyes.

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What's the really weird one? Like the SCX or

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whatever? The Z? SSX? No. SVX. I love the Subaru

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SVX. I don't know, man. We're at early 2000s

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Subarus. Everybody makes a head gasket. Joke

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about them, but I didn't have to do anything

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with my head gaskets to almost 270 ,000 miles.

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So, I really don't have any complaints with my

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Subaru other than the fucking subframe running

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out before the engine died. Ah, typical Subaru.

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But every car. We're at the hour. Oh, good. So

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I think it's a good place to call it. Mark is

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literally falling asleep on podcast. All right.

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Well, let's call it. And then you guys can tell

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me exactly where I need to clip. All right. Catch

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you guys later. Later.