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a row mark Nice, too. I think I got it down I'm
not gonna fuck it up for now. I Now first things
first Do you that beautiful crack? Mmm, I think
mark might have me beat All right, Gavin your
turn Gavin's lame. All right, what you drinking?
What you drinking today? Some more of that black
Philip Gotcha black who I? Philip I Have a sprite
it's the hardest thing in my house right now.
Just kidding. There's definitely There's definitely
alcohol here, but like I ain't feeling it. You
didn't want to mix up the mango habanero margarita
mix? No, no, no, I really don't. That's very
bomb, those are non -alcoholic and you have to
mix it. Dang. I had some silk, almond milk, dark
chocolate, and It's really good. It pretty much
just tastes like chocolate milk and that's it.
So doesn't even taste like dark chocolate. It's
really bad for you. Fun fact. What is almond
milk? Well, tell that to the dairy cows. Well,
what? Because anyways, we're lactose intolerant
over here and I am also lactose intolerant. There's
this wonderful thing called lactate. It don't
work. Yeah, oh, yeah, it does not first see him
doesn't she's not using lactate then she's using
that off -brand bullshit She there. They're different
breed these La Desma intolerance I I can show
them the way Her sister, but we'll take lactate.
Oh and it nothing nothing but bad stuff happens
after Well, then she's using the cheap Walmart
bullshit You know dude, I'm telling I'm telling
you I'm telling you might my doctor prescribed
me this Like industrial strength lactate and
that shit is fucking bomb. Well. Yeah, maybe
prescriptions different, but She's just using
like the actual whatever. It's called lactate
Yeah, my minus two. It's just it's different
the stuff you get from like Walmart is junk Anyways
off lactose intolerance cuz it's a very downer
subject. What are we doing? This is a half hour
episode. What do you, what'd you guys do? You
know, it's been, you know that song, the gang
is back in town. I don't think we've podcasted
together in like month and a half, month, somewhere
in there. It sounds about right. Maybe. Like
guys, shit's been going on and it's been going.
Mm -hmm So see Last weekend we put shocks on
the forerunner because we blew him out at Coming
home from Benji's thing So what happens when
you put two gears and two or three heavyset people
in there one vehicle We are we were four larger
people One third -gen forerunner with enough
gear for all of us to camp comfortably not just
camp right because we could have got like a Shitty
tent that was way lighter and all of us could
have camped Camped not currently just camped.
Yep but Now it uh she did it though Was it 1400
miles something like that? Yeah, give or take
Yeah, it was a hike but I got 17 miles to the
gallon can't bitch Yeah, so we we put some put
some Fox shocks on the back and I'll tell you
dude I went oh also I went and did a recovery
guys. That was fun I went and did that recovery
and it was like the day after we put those shocks
on and It just ate everything like I I was just
bombing down trails just absorbing it all and
then all of a sudden I felt Both rear tires slam
into the body of the forerunner and I'm like,
huh? I need bump stops Whoops So it was good.
I got him out and it just took a winch and Soft
shackle and a D ring and boom. He was out of
that hole Mark knows that hole. Well, he's it's
a marks nemesis is a dirty bitch Which one is
is the big one or the one where I thought I had
a clearance and I got caught up on my bumper
The big one he was going the other direction
so he didn't make it through the one that just
drops off gotcha And he's like you should come
from this direction So you're you're coming at
me and you can pull me through and I can finish
the trail and I'm like Dude, if you got stuck
in that first hole, you're gonna get stuck as
soon as I pull you out Yeah, and so I came up
behind him I pulled him out and he's like I just
don't see any other mud holes as I'm looking
at the ledge for the next mud hole I'm like here.
Come here and we walk over there. Sure enough.
There's a big old fucking hole there. Yeah Yeah,
it for anyone doesn't know the trail it's an
easy trail for the most part but at the very
End of it. There's like a 90 degree turn. What
does that look for Gavin? Oh, I might must have
been my internet because you froze. Oh At the
very end of the trail is like a 90 degree turn
and as soon as you turn that turn it's a swamp
Yeah, literally like the trail is inside of a
swamp. It's not just we're saying a mud hole.
No, it's no it's a swamp is literally a How do
I want to say this? Enough land to drive across
but enough to flood over like constantly. Yeah
so Yeah, but he was right in there. I got him
out Followed him out. It was fun The overhead
lights on the forerunner do me absolutely no
good compared to my fog lights and Like I've
been playing with it if I point them down just
just over the hood. Yeah. The spotlight part
reaches as far as my light bar. Gotcha. So, it
does me no good. They're super cool though. Oh,
yeah. They look sick. Mm hmm. They have absolutely
no purpose but they look sick. I mean, I imagine
they'd help a little more if you could get the
reflection off your roof or your hood a little
bit, right? I I don't even know. I I don't know
that it's even Hey, they're just If I had different
lights would probably be better just yeah, remember
I only paid 70 bucks for these four lights. Yeah
Yeah, that's fair point They're just not bright
and it's just how it goes you win some you lose
some So I think most people just mount those
to their bumpers. They don't really put above
the vehicle Oh, no, those ones are definitely
above your vehicle lights. That's how they're
sold Like, they're specific. I say those, they're
specifically overhead lighting. Huh. Gotcha.
Um, what else did you guys do? Anything else
fun? Oh, we went, we went wheeling with, uh,
beyond the mitten. The, uh, skitter Hill revenge
trip that we never made it to skitter Hills.
So now we need a skitter Hill revenge, revenge
trip. Why'd you never make it there? So we got
on the flexi ditch trail and every single tree
was laying across the trail. Yep. So we're just
slowly knocking the trees up and out of the way.
Probably get like five feet and then there's
another tree that had to get knocked up and over.
I wish you guys would have reminded me I would
have been there. I completely forgot. I was like
I knew that like the day or two before I'm like
Alex probably asked me if I'm going at least
or something. Then I did it. Yeah, I did like
the day before then I the day of Don't even nothing,
but I was also in and out of it. I'm coming out
of some sickness, so Still a little clogged up
here, but I'm coming out of it. I haven't really
been doing a whole lot though Yeah, not really
I took everything out of the truck plugged in
my fridge in the house, so I have a spare fridge
and That's about it really I haven't seen his
dad's car broke down You know What is it three
weeks after he got a new engine put into it so?
She's been borrowing my truck getting all the
joy rides out of it, and I've just been sitting
without no car No way to go wheeling Yeah Okay,
Lenny got sick I won't she has epilepsy and had
a seizure so she can't drive for six months So
I get my car during the week again It sucks that
she can't drive and you know, I got a bus or
around but at the same time I get my car during
the week again. Yeah You have to find the upsides
yeah for sure Yeah, no, it's I got my diesel
heater today the second one Yeah, well this one
is like a not a permanent in place one. It's
no it's portable It's weird like so I I'm looking
at it and it's got it's in It's in an enclosure
and then on the bottom. It's got the two ports
like a normal diesel heater But I can't figure
out where the intake hose is supposed to run
to I Kind of figure out the exhaust hose, but
even that's kind of confusing. Hmm. So I got
to I got to play with it, but say just turn it
on. It's nice instructions. It's nice. I mean,
it's feels like quality. Did you read the manual
or you just not say, ah, fuck it. No. So I couldn't
figure it out. So I read the manual. The manual
is like you just to connect the hoses. And I'm
like. Where where do they go after that no picture
examples? No It's dude. It's bad is one of the
manual is one of the like holes smaller than
the other one Well, no, I know which hole is
which I know which one's exhausted which one's
intake The problem is that the enclosure only
has one hole cut out which is for the exhaust
because it comes with a 90 degree elbow So so
where's the intake go? Maybe it's just in that
enclosure But but then there's no filter I gotta
figure it out. I'll play with it some more. Yeah,
it's just it's just weird. I need pictures weird.
Oh Yeah, you'll get literally like as I turned
on the room for us to do this and then there
was a knock on the door like I've had Five minutes
to look at this thing. Oh, I have good news I'm
getting a Leatherman whoo From who my wife. It's
oh years promised I I broke the other one that
I've had After you know three years it's finally
broken and She hasn't she's she's been telling
me all this year hasn't actually been three years,
but she's gonna get me a new one And they just
released one It's pretty nice, and it's got large
Oh Yeah, that one looks pretty sick, and she's
getting she customized it and she's all oh yeah,
I mean I I wanted to have the clip for the the
pocket clip So she got me the pocket clip got
it in bronze because she knows what I like Got
top Oh on the knife part which was cool, and
I think she did some other stuff on there And
she got it in the black. So I am excited about
that. So on that on that topic, so Roxanne, I
love them, but they just released the stupidest
fucking tool. It's a sick, a six in one foldable
barbecue multi tool. OK, yeah, so it's got a
spatula. It's got some kind of fork thingy. And
like, you know, it's a multi -tool, but like,
barbecue? I'll send you the link. This thing
is fucking... No, it's big. Like, it's a normal
-sized multi -tool. Or no, it's big. I'll send
the link. We'll put it in the show notes. Whatever.
Dude, this thing is stupid. You see those every
once in a while. Like, Tractor Supply's got one.
It's a hammer. But then, on the end... and then
it's a swiss like army knife on the handle of
the hammer and i'm like that's junk like roxon's
had one of those for a while and i'm like guys
come on like and it looks like it's a pretty
it's not your typical like hammer swiss army
knife bullshit one but it's still pretty dumb
right all right let's see roxon tool let's oh
jesus Just the way you said oh Jesus like as
it loaded at least it doubles as a tong Yeah,
like it is nice. It's just it's kind of dumb
But so they have two of them in this one picture.
They have one with a knife and then they have
tongs. Oh They slide apart yeah, yeah, yeah interesting
like Might be knowing rocks on quality is top
tier, but I'm interested. I'm interested to see
for $32. It can't be that good Dude Looking at
the rest of their stuff like their quality is
usually pretty spot -on right right right I mean
And there's only one way to find out right? Watch
it to actually be really good. Yeah, I mean it's
30 bucks shit talking it and you could consolidate
your tools for cooking at camp. I mean, you got
a decent sized knife for a look of it. Yeah,
it does. I really I like their their three in
one folding cutlery set, too. But for eighteen
dollars a person, it's a hard sell. Oh, yeah.
There's their hammer multi tool. Yeah, it's fucking
stupid anybody who makes those it's like this
is a gimmick that you give to your like Great
-grandson for Christmas that you have no idea
what he likes and if I remember right? That's
not even one of the modular ones that yeah, that's
that one's not modular But like you're looking
at it, and it's definitely better quality than
the average like hammer built ones But at the
same time it's like guys. This is really dumb
the two -in -one cutlery set the knife and fork
It's kind of funny. It's intriguing because they
look like a pocket knife, but it's like a fork.
I actually really like them. That's one of the
tools they've got that I want, but I don't want
to spend the money on. I mean, the price is not
bad. It's not. OK, so they had the barbecue,
just the spatula and the fork by itself too.
Yeah, they do. That's not as funny as the other
one Yeah, it's very odd But hey Okay, that's
a deal I guess What so they have the original
one that's separate and then they have the new
one and then a knife Fork and spoon for their
barbecue and cut reset. Oh, yeah, 65 44 They
have come out with some cool stuff though. Like
they just got a wire stripper implement for the
multi -tool So I'm probably gonna pick that up
They have an office key house key and master
lock key blank so you can put a key on your multi
-tool But I want them to come out with a Toyota
key so I can put my Toyota key on my Multi -tool,
right? Yeah Mean they're an interesting company
for sure and the price is very good obviously
for yeah, whatever they're offering so Honestly,
this would be one of those things where? The
cyber Monday bestseller $18 for a three -in -one
cutlery set I'd be interested if I had $18. I'd
buy that now just to review it Yeah, I I really
like rocks on I'm more interested in their modular
multi tools obviously yeah, but Think that they've
made some really cool stuff other than that,
right? Mm -hmm I like the flex system the phantom
systems interesting, but It's not It's not worth
it to me because it doesn't it's just not as
modular. It's still modular. Just not as good.
Yes. Yeah but Yeah, so off multi tools cuz that's
a topic I can be on forever because they're the
greatest thing God ever gave us Not wrong not
wrong Yeah, so it's trying to think of other
stuff that's been going on Really there's not
it seems like a lot, but there's not oh We do
winter camping. Oh, yeah, we camped outside all
night In the snow and my tent is still drying
from it It's actually dry. I just haven't put
it away yet. Oh, yeah That's uh, I mean Other
than that you were warm though, right? Yeah.
No, I stayed plenty warm in there Yeah, except
for when his bedding was frozen for the second
night. Yeah, so My dumbass I put the non wool
blanket on the top The first night so then my
breath got the the top blanket all wet And I
think it was fleece. I don't remember. I got
it all wet and then it froze into like a solid
plank. Hmm So I also forgot to open the vents
on the swag so I it was like a worst -case scenario
for the blanket. Oh, yeah Let's see, yeah our
our tents stayed fairly Ventilated like I said,
we had a little moisture up at the top but other
than that there's nothing They have those two
big permanent events on them, which help a lot.
Yeah. And then the pass through hole, depending
on how the layer sits, usually is open, because
I had two open ones and I had to block it off
with a pillow or my hoodies because like, oh,
I got cold air right in my face. Yeah, that that
that winter kit for that is pretty sick. Oh,
yeah. Man I'm pretty sure we're kind of wrapping
it up. I think I think we're not doing anything
else I was I had a feeling before But at this
point we don't have the diesel heater yet We
already took this stuff out of the truck. So
I think camping wise we're probably done for
the for the year until spring and Then we're
pretty much just yard camping anyways. Yeah,
and then after I'd like to get a diesel heater
here a little bit after Christmas because I'd
like to do something in January Dude that one
I just got for I think I paid a hundred not I
didn't pay a hundred bucks It was like 85 you
have to link it to that. Oh It's not that cheap
anymore Well, it was a Black Friday sale still
I want to know which one you're using because
I want you to put it through the ringer for me
I can send it to you. I think it's like only
like 105 like it's still cheap I'd like to get
that also because we do lose power around here
and Throw that in our living room where we have
a pull -out bed and a fireplace and run the exhaust
out and I could have heat in the house if our
power went out so Yeah, it's I mean, it's really
a good -looking unit And this one has the app
control so you can use your phone, but it also
comes with an extension So you can run the thermostat
in the house and have it turn off at certain
temps. Oh, that's nice Yeah, that's how That's
how I've got the one in the mule set up too so
that it's always Not ridiculously hot. Yeah No,
that's cool. I We're kind of getting to the point
to where like everyone's getting these snow storms
and it's a matter of time before we get hit too
and We start losing power whether it's just an
ice storm or whatever So what are you talking
about? We were getting hit with snow storms.
Well, I mean we were but what did we get probably
eight inches? 10 14 hmm. Yeah It was a blast
Driving through that's for sure So we got 14
inches in a matter of two days. Yeah, and up
by Houghton Calumet. They got 30 30 something
Yeah, they got hammered up there. They got hammered
and I was so jealous. Oh They got they have there's
pictures of it. They're walkways downtown They
have piles on either side away from the buildings
that are just as tall as the people are That's
pretty dope. Did you see what happened to Lake
Erie there, Gavin? Erie? No. Yeah. Dude, Erie
disappeared. Really? Yeah. Under snow? Wingus
was good enough that it pushed like 20 miles
worth of water away from the shoreline. Holy
shit. I didn't know that. I never heard about
it. That's cool. Mother Nature, man. I just saw
another video of... One of the famous spots up
there a Lake Superior or the beaches Where it
hits the I can't remember what it's called, but
we're Lake Superior hits like the rocks I don't
know. It's somewhere up on the coast and Man
is is a violent. That's gorgeous though. I Want
to move up there so bad move up by CJ. I think
CJ is the one up there CJ and Who's the other
guy that drives the GTO really cool dude, I can't
remember his name but There's a couple cool dudes
that live up there. It'd be really cool to Really
cool to stay up there and gets do some powder
wheeling man. That's some that's a deep ass snow
Yeah, you kind of After a certain time you can't
really go wheeling anymore because then you're
it's all snowmobile. Yeah. Yeah, I know I was
just seeing that too It's cool seeing Mackinac
Island, their actual roads for tourists and wagons
and stuff. Certain parts in the winter. I don't
remember when the dates are, but they open those
up for snowmobiles. That's pretty cool. I rode
out to Mackinac Island one year. Went across
the ice, went to the island, hung out at the
bar, turned around, went back across the ice,
came home. It's cool, dude. I mean, it's so cool
to be able to do that. Technically, you could
do that to Beaver Island, too, but it's like
35 miles. Yeah. It's long. It really isn't bad.
It's just a matter of the ice being solid enough
for that far. Yeah, it's a solid. And the one
year I remember it froze over, there were like
big ice, like mountains and shit like that. Lots
of stuff to hit. Well, yeah, we had the frozen
waves. Dude, I hope we get those again this year.
Those are so fucking cool. Yeah, the ice caves.
That was, what, 2014? Ice caves are sweet. Yeah,
I think it was, yeah, 2014 or 15. 14, I was on
my last year's school, and we went out to the
ice caves off of Beaver Island. And it's like,
dude, that is so cool. It's like... 13 14 inches
of ice and 14 like dark blue and they make these
giant caves just the way they get frozen out.
It's just so we had We had those on like Michigan
and 14 mm -hmm 14 was the last year. I was home.
Oh Yeah, okay Yeah, it's cool stuff dude, I I
love winter I I have to actually get into some
warmer gloves and socks Because my feet just
I was out talking to Alex today I went over to
this house so he could look at my truck a little
bit and Just that couple minutes I was out there
talking to him It was like my feet were starting
to freeze over And that is it was not long. It
was like we were out there for five minutes chatting
So I will send you the absolute best bang for
your buck winter glove you'll ever buy Is it
the military? Yeah, I was gonna say oh Hey, look
at that The army flier gloves, that's what that's
like all I wear they're phenomenal, dude Let's
see, okay Yeah, I'll have to try some cuz I have
some now and they do well, but once they get
wet it's They like they don't they don't grip
at all. They're like the They're like the rubber
coated ones with the fleece inside. I wanted
to get some heated ones, but really my feet are
the issue. Feaky cold so very quick. I've got
some heated insoles in my TMU cart, but I'm scared
to buy them because I don't want my feet to catch
fire. Right. No, I was just talking to see in
his dad because he said he found a heated vest
and it was $17 and I'm like, dude, you're going
to blow up. I was like, that's an incendiary
device just waiting to happen. But no, if you
I mean, if you're looking for like. They have
these in sizes other than medium, they don't.
The other thing that's really good is the M 65
trigger trigger finger mittens. Those are more
like extreme cold weather But for an extreme
cold weather glove you can pick them up for like
20 bucks like they're really good Yeah, I'm gonna
have to look into these cuz I need a set of I
just I don't know what size I am I think I'm
like a large Extra large I'm in between them.
I can never find one. That's like perfect You
could always try mine on and then we'll have
to figure out what size it is Yeah, let's do
that. Yeah, and here's the extreme cold weather
ones. I can only find them on Amazon right now
for $44, but still for a really cold weather
glove, that's not bad. What the fuck? Or mitten.
These are mitten. These are goofy as hell. That's
funny. They look so goofy looking. I've got a
set of them somewhere. That's funny. Yeah, man
cold weathers are coming it just drove I was
on the way back to Leo seeing his dad getting
his loaner car finally they get they had one
for him, and it's a fucking Malibu front -wheel
drive and He came into the driveway and shoveled
snow and I was like shit, so he spent probably
a good thirty minutes shoveling the entry way
out and i spent a good thirty minutes driving
up and down the driveway compacting it uh...
which the kid had a blast he was like go go go
he's he's having a blast he loves it when we
go driving alex drove the truck for a little
bit the kid passed right out as soon as he drove
and as soon as we parked we put it in park and
not even a second later the kid woke up But he
doesn't wake up angry. He wakes up happy. Yeah
Yeah, that's that's a that's a 50 -50 right there
sometimes But I think he was just concerned like
he looked over at you, and he's like you're not
my dad I I'm two for two I got in and he had
just woken up mm -hmm And he was happy as could
be and then he went to sleep, and he woke up
happy as could be so yeah I mean he really likes
trail driving. I've been telling him all day.
I've been talking him up saying hey We're going
to go out of drive. We're going to go do some
trails and then just so happens Leo got that
called so we end up driving anyway. Um, and then
I had to go finish dinner and do this. So we
didn't end up taking any trails, but hopefully
we could maybe do something this weekend. Sunday.
Yeah. If anybody's available, dude, I got to
work all fucking weekend. Well, damn it. I'm
going to the try spirit. Trans that your orchestra.
Yeah. Yes. Thank you. Oh, I didn't even know
rands. I was like, yeah Yeah, I was trying to
say and like I'm not gonna say it right at all
Whoa, do you guys notice that when you move?
Yeah, I knew about that Yeah, like if anybody
saw our videos right now, everybody's going back
and forth in their seat trying to get the camera
to move. Yeah, the camera centers on your face.
That's freaking wild. Anyways, that's about our
30 minutes now that we're being goofy and boring.
So we will catch you guys later. Later.