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to do with the outdoors. All right. Today, I'd

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say it's special, but you hear from Tyler every

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week, or you should be. If not, go listen to

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Snail Trail. Yep. It's not worth it. Don't do

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it. Oh, it's totally worth it. We got Tyler from

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Morphlate over here. He's going to be answering

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some of our inflation deflation questions. Probably

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radios too, because we don't have Gavin or Jimmy

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to stop us. We're going to go wild. So yeah,

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I've been seeing a lot of people say that the

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all top compressor or the, what's that one that

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Gavin bought that I hate? Thor. Thor's lightning.

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Yep. But they're the same as your Morphlate compressor.

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I know that's not true, but we need you to need

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you to set the story straight here. Yeah. Um,

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so God, where do we begin? The, the all top is

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actually made at a different factory. Um, I know

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what factory it is. Um, I, the, the interesting

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thing about the all top is that the, uh learning

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algorithm that drives our automatic inflation

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and deflation in the psi pro compressor as well

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as our air hubs that algorithm um i had a direct

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hand in developing and figuring out you know

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how often do the pressure checks um whether it

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needs to keep going or not how to figure out

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the airflow of whatever air system it's using

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so you can use uh shop air a power tank a twin

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arb a more flat and all top at a by air a harbor

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freight cigarette lighter compressor it doesn't

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care what air source you use it kind of learns

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as it goes so i had a direct hand in building

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that algorithm and and getting it nailed down

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to work appropriately and then the algorithm

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is getting patented so that learning algorithm

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is getting patented in China as well as in the

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United States. And so the all top compressor

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is made at a different factory and they reverse

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engineered the algorithm, quote unquote. And

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I haven't got my hands on one of their PSI Pro

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compressors, quote unquote, to see if they really

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nailed the algorithm or how it actually works

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because. as far as i know we're the first ones

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to develop that learning algorithm there's a

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couple other ways to do automatic inflation and

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from i like to call brute force hacking so you

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can use solenoids to open and close solenoids

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very rapidly essentially once every half second

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and every time the solenoid closes a pressure

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sensor takes a reading of the pressure in the

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system And if you're there at your target pressure,

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it stops. It doesn't reopen the solenoid. If

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it is not there yet, then it reopens the solenoid

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for half a second. Let's air in, close the solenoid,

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does another pressure check. So it does that

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very rapidly for a very long time. And the downside

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to that is it's really noisy because solenoids

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opening and closing every half a second for the

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length of your air uptime is very noisy. airflow

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time, time that the air is going into the tires

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is only half of what it could be. So your overall

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time doubles. So that's one way to do it. The

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other way to do it is to limit the valve in which

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the airflow goes through so that the valve bottlenecks

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your whole system so that it is the lowest airflow

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possible. That way you can run a mathematical

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formula off of that known airflow. Which is really,

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really slow. That's actually how the ARB links

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system works. And so it just, it takes a really

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long time. I mean, you're looking at 45 minutes,

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40 to 45 minutes to inflate and deflate. And

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by limiting that valve, you're also creating

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an intentional bottleneck in your air system,

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which means that. the compressor, if it puts

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out way more airflow than that bottleneck, you're

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just backlogging your compressor with pressure

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and creating a higher working pressure on the

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compressor, which generates a lot more heat,

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makes gaskets and seals fail, pulls more power

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from the motors, which puts stress on your wiring

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and all your electrical components on that circuit.

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So those are the two ways that inflation and

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automatic inflation has been done. historically

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and then we created that learning algorithm or

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we helped create that learning algorithm um so

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i don't know exactly how all top is doing it

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i don't know exactly what algorithm they're using

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um but they figured it out and um they are making

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a a better priced compressor a better price point

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compressor um but as far as i know they're still

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using the old gen 1 components so When we first

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brought compressors to the market for Morphlate,

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they were pretty much identical to the Nappa

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MaxiTrack, the very first version of Nappa MaxiTrack

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compressor. They're made at the exact same factory.

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And I'm honestly not sure who got to market first,

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us or Nappa. But what happened was that compressor

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was a white labeled model. So the factory owns

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the design for it. And it had no pressure cutoff

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switches. It had the thermal cutoff sensor was

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kind of iffy in it. It had relays instead of

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a board that helps control everything. And so

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what a lot of people ended up doing was they

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bought the NAPA compressor and changed a bunch

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of stuff on it. So they added the pressure cutoff

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switches and you have the NAPA MaxiTrack Facebook

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pages that come out for modifying those compressors.

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Dirt Lifestyle Nate. did an awesome video on

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modding some of those compressors. And so what

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I did was when we both released that compressor,

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Napa, obviously a much bigger company, they bought

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way, way more than I did. So we ran out of stock

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really quickly while they maintained the stock.

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So they kind of got credit for being first to

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market, quote unquote, with that design, that

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white labeled compressor. I realized as soon

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as we got the compressors that. They were decent,

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but there was a lot of upgrades that could be

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done to make them way better, including all those

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mods that people were doing to the Nappa Maxi

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Track compressors. So I went back to the drawing

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board and I worked with the engineering team

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at the factory to implement a bunch of those

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changes. So the pressure cutoff switches, and

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we did an 80 -120 instead of what is standard

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in a lot of compressors. 90 to 100 on and 150

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off and so we decided that you know we're really

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focusing on the off -road space we want to make

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a product that works awesome for off -roading

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so we limited the pressure cutoff switch to turn

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off the compressor at 125 so that people are

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not inadvertently hooking up their compressors

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to their ARB lockers and immediately blowing

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out the seals in their lockers Which has always

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kind of fascinated me because that's what ARB

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sets their compressors to, 150 cutoff. And they

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recommend running that straight into the locker

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solenoids for their lockers, which blows seals.

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Lockers are low pressure actuation things. So

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you don't want to hit them with more than really

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like 100 PSI. You're going more than 100 PSI,

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you're risking blowing seals in your lockers.

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So we wanted to limit it pretty lower, but we

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wanted to also be able to do RV tires, which

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is 110 PSI. So we picked 125 as our cutoff. We

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added in a solid state board rather than a series

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of relays and then re -released that compressor.

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And that was our quote unquote, our Gen 1 compressor.

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We did that one for about a year, year and a

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half before I started realizing that. It's a

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good compressor, but it gets hot. It generates

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a ton of airflow. So the name of the game with

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any compressor that is a piston -driven compressor,

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screw compressors are a little bit different,

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but piston -driven compressors, kind of like

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your vehicle, generate a lot of heat because

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you're compressing air and that generates heat,

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just a lot of heat. If you think about it, a

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diesel engine is able to ignite. fuel without

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any spark, any flame source at all because they're

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just compressing. That's how hot air gets under

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extreme compression. So with compressors, they

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generate a lot of heat and the name of the game

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is keeping them cool. The cooler you can keep

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a compressor, the longer it's going to last,

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the more efficient it's going to run, the longer

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duty cycles you can run it on, the more vehicles

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you can air up, the more tires you can air up,

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etc. So you can just use it for way more uses.

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the more you can improve the heat dissipation

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of the compressors. So we realized that about

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a year, year and a half into this compressor

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venture. And so I started figuring, you know,

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dissecting the entire compressor and seeing what

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components we could make out of different materials

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in the compressors in order to have really good

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heat dissipation, but also keeping prices reasonable.

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So like titanium, awesome heat dissipation material

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but it's super fucking expensive so you can't

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you can't make compressors out of titanium so

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we wanted to use something else we wanted to

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stick with aluminum aluminum dissipates heat

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great it's two and a half three times something

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like that better than steel on heat dissipation

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being able to draw heat away and dissipate it

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in open air and so we did a bunch of different

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things to the internals of the compressors in

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order to help manage and mitigate heat so the

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first thing that we did was um if you look at

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i'm showing you guys here on the camera this

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is a heat sink off of one of the gen 1 compressors

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now you guys can't tell this very well but this

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is actually a plastic heat sink so if you think

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it would work It doesn't work at all. Plastic

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insulates. It does not sink heat off. So if you

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look at our current heat sink, I don't know if

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I can do this side by side and hold the microphone.

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So you see how the plastic one has a lot more

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fins on it than the aluminum one? The aluminum

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one we designed and essentially... From everything

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that I've been able to research and compressors

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I've been able to buy that look like our compressors,

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if somebody is running this heat sink with a

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bunch of extra fins on it, chances are it's a

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plastic heat sink on those compressors out in

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the market right now. It's that Gen 1 white labeled

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compressor that the factory still sells to anybody

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that asks. You can call up the factory and say,

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hey. I want to make some compressors. I want

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a compressor. I just want it to be purple and

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have my logo on it. And that's white labeling,

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right? So they own the product and then they

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will put whatever color and logo that you want

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on it and sell it to you. And that's the version

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that this comes with is a plastic ABS heatsink,

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which just insulates your cylinders, retains

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heat, and slowly cooks your compressor to death,

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really. But one of the interesting things about

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plastic heat sinks is that they don't really

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get hot because they're insulating your cylinders.

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And so a lot of people will do temperature checks

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on these heat sinks from the compressors and

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be like, the compressors barely don't really

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run hot. You can put it back in the bag because

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the heat sinks and the components of the compressor

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are not hot to the touch. they're not going to

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melt the bag. So they think that the compressor

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then is running very cool. And in actuality,

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what's happening is it's just insulating and

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cooking your compressor's internals rather than

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letting that heat get to the exterior of the

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compressor and dissipate. So check your compressors.

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If you have one of these heat sinks with a ton

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of fins on it compared to one of these guys,

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chances are it's probably a plastic heat sink.

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So you don't want plastic heat sinks on things

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that get hot. So that was the first big thing

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we noticed. I was like, those are absolutely

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useless. You just can't run a compressor with

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plastic heat sinks. So the name of the game is

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keeping them cool and letting them dissipate

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heat. So the other next thing that we noticed

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on the heat sink itself, if you look, let's see

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if I can do this with one hand. if you look on

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this side i'm going to show you guys on the camera

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that i'll have to make sure to get pictures from

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you so we can put them in the show notes oh cool

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yeah so this heat sink this is the the metal

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cylinder and there is the the cylinder of the

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compressor you have a piston that goes up and

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down in here um it's typically oriented this

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way when it's running yep but That piston goes

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up and down the same way an engine piston does,

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and it creates air pressure through a series

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of open and input and output valves. So this

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is kind of like the side view, right? And if

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you look at the heat sink, it's only contacting

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that cylinder in four spots. 12, 6, 3, and 9,

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right? Yep, yep. So not only is it plastic, it's

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retaining heat, but you have a bunch of these

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air gaps in the corners here. where it's also

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retaining heat in there. The heat is not really

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going to the heat sink and dissipating to open

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air. So we completely redesigned the heat sink

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as well. Oh, that's much better. To be a perfect

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fit on the cylinder here. So you have a 360 degree

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contact of the cylinder to the heat sink. So

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that was the next big change we did to help with

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heat dissipation. And the cylinder here is aluminum.

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This is you guys can't tell in the video there,

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but it is very lightweight compared to this mild

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steel, carbon steel one. So having the aluminum

00:15:40.889 --> 00:15:43.710
cylinder as opposed to the carbon steel, you

00:15:43.710 --> 00:15:47.409
get two and a half, three times more better heat

00:15:47.409 --> 00:15:52.450
dissipation than the carbon steel one. So having

00:15:52.450 --> 00:15:55.580
the aluminum cylinder. um combined with an aluminum

00:15:55.580 --> 00:15:58.799
heat sink that has proper contact with the cylinder

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you're just able to help get that heat out of

00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.720
the compressor and dissipate it to open air way

00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.580
better than anything else out there that has

00:16:07.580 --> 00:16:12.620
any one of these three components set up this

00:16:12.620 --> 00:16:15.500
way a carbon steel cylinder a heat sink that

00:16:15.500 --> 00:16:17.980
only contacts in four spots or a plastic heat

00:16:17.980 --> 00:16:22.019
sink so That was the big thing we did on the

00:16:22.019 --> 00:16:24.000
internals to help with heat dissipation. We also

00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.399
changed the material of the piston rings that

00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.379
seal the piston to the internal of the cylinder

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so that the material is a much better wear resistance,

00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:38.120
abrasion resistance, and heat resistance. In

00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:39.580
essence, so it's just going to last you a lot

00:16:39.580 --> 00:16:41.919
longer before that piston ring ever looks at

00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.019
failing. And so far, ever since we did that,

00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.500
we have not ever had a single piston ring fail,

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which has been... pretty cool to see that that

00:16:51.330 --> 00:16:55.809
that design change worked um so along with those

00:16:55.809 --> 00:16:58.549
that's kind of the big internal stuff um the

00:16:58.549 --> 00:17:00.889
external stuff which you can tell right away

00:17:00.889 --> 00:17:03.830
when looking at our compressors compared to everybody

00:17:03.830 --> 00:17:07.269
else's um we have a stainless steel hose output

00:17:07.269 --> 00:17:10.970
hose on our compressor um we did that for a couple

00:17:10.970 --> 00:17:16.039
of reasons um one Every other compressor comes

00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:19.759
with pretty much a black rubber hose, and it's

00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.339
pretty much a pure rubber hose. So what happens

00:17:23.339 --> 00:17:28.779
to rubber over time? Dry ruts. Yeah, it breaks

00:17:28.779 --> 00:17:32.799
down. It gets hard. It hardens. It does not do

00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:37.500
well with a lot of heat cycles going through

00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:40.319
it. It's also very susceptible to UV degradation.

00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:44.849
Yep. And so over time, as those black rubber

00:17:44.849 --> 00:17:48.430
hoses kind of start disintegrating, degrading,

00:17:48.450 --> 00:17:51.910
getting really stiff and hard, they're just going

00:17:51.910 --> 00:17:54.250
to start cracking and failing on you, especially

00:17:54.250 --> 00:17:57.269
when they start getting stiff or hard disintegrating.

00:17:57.269 --> 00:17:59.589
And then you're kind of coiling them in these

00:17:59.589 --> 00:18:01.990
tight little packs to get back into the compressor

00:18:01.990 --> 00:18:05.450
bag and then get thrown around in the back of

00:18:05.450 --> 00:18:09.390
an off -road vehicle. Those hoses, we had...

00:18:10.190 --> 00:18:13.410
After about two years, we started seeing failures

00:18:13.410 --> 00:18:17.369
in those black rubber hoses. So that was number

00:18:17.369 --> 00:18:20.029
one. We wanted to increase the durability and

00:18:20.029 --> 00:18:22.990
the lifespan of these output hoses for people.

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Number two is that stainless steel hose acts

00:18:27.509 --> 00:18:32.630
as another heat sink to the compressor. So in

00:18:32.630 --> 00:18:34.210
between the two cylinders of the compressor,

00:18:34.390 --> 00:18:37.299
there's a... aluminum manifold that goes between

00:18:37.299 --> 00:18:39.819
them that hides underneath the black cover with

00:18:39.819 --> 00:18:44.839
the user controls and the control board. That

00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.660
stainless steel hose is the outlet of that manifold.

00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:50.619
So the aluminum manifold is now drawing heat

00:18:50.619 --> 00:18:54.380
off of the heat sinks as well. And then the stainless

00:18:54.380 --> 00:18:56.420
steel hose is drawing heat off of that aluminum

00:18:56.420 --> 00:18:59.859
manifold. That stainless steel hose drops 100

00:18:59.859 --> 00:19:04.460
degrees Fahrenheit from the manifold. to the

00:19:04.460 --> 00:19:07.579
coupler and so there's a couple of things going

00:19:07.579 --> 00:19:10.680
on that for the user when that happens one is

00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:13.000
you're getting really good heat dissipation off

00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:14.740
of the compressor so better heat dissipation

00:19:14.740 --> 00:19:19.319
longer lasting compressor number two is that

00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.940
coupler when you go to disconnect it after airing

00:19:22.940 --> 00:19:26.460
up your vehicle is not going to be quite as hot

00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:30.390
as every other coupler on the market that ends

00:19:30.390 --> 00:19:34.210
up right next to or on attached directly to a

00:19:34.210 --> 00:19:37.990
compressor. So compressors can output upwards

00:19:37.990 --> 00:19:42.990
of 200 to 250 degree temperatures. A twin ARB

00:19:42.990 --> 00:19:46.109
in an engine bade definitely hits that 250 degree

00:19:46.109 --> 00:19:49.009
temperature mark. Other ones that are more open

00:19:49.009 --> 00:19:52.369
air, not in an engine bay, they'll average around

00:19:52.369 --> 00:19:58.500
200 to 220 degrees Fahrenheit. Our couplers on

00:19:58.500 --> 00:20:01.759
that output of the hose don't really ever get

00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:06.460
above 150. So 150 ends up being pretty much the

00:20:06.460 --> 00:20:09.539
max. And they typically run around 120 to 150,

00:20:09.819 --> 00:20:11.619
which is still hot. You don't want to touch that

00:20:11.619 --> 00:20:15.059
directly with your hands. But it's way better

00:20:15.059 --> 00:20:17.779
than having a 250 degree temperature coupler

00:20:17.779 --> 00:20:20.740
that you're having to touch through gloves or

00:20:20.740 --> 00:20:24.019
with your shirt or something else. So that stainless

00:20:24.019 --> 00:20:27.569
steel hose. does actually quite a bit for the

00:20:27.569 --> 00:20:32.210
compressor as a heat sink and the user as your

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usability and then the last feature we added

00:20:36.049 --> 00:20:40.690
to the gen 2 compressors was our purge valve

00:20:40.690 --> 00:20:46.250
so we have a manual purge purge valve on the

00:20:46.250 --> 00:20:50.990
back side of all of our compressors what that

00:20:50.990 --> 00:20:53.430
does for you the way the reason why we originally

00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.799
put it in and installed it was so that we could

00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:59.880
release the pressure from the compressor so that

00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:03.880
you're not storing the compressor with 125 psi

00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:08.700
internal internally to the compressor if you

00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:11.200
do that you end up putting a lot of stress 125

00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.900
pounds per square inch on your piston rings on

00:21:14.900 --> 00:21:18.779
your valves on your seals any sealant and thread

00:21:18.779 --> 00:21:21.240
whatever is in the compressor all the way out

00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.900
to your coupler So being able to purge that when

00:21:25.900 --> 00:21:30.720
you're done, that 125 PSI does go a long way

00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:34.019
to helping a compressor last longer as well.

00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:39.970
One thing we didn't realize. that it does that

00:21:39.970 --> 00:21:43.490
we quickly figured out because we do a lot of

00:21:43.490 --> 00:21:46.829
off -roading here at higher elevations in California.

00:21:47.109 --> 00:21:50.130
So we can go anywhere from 6 ,000 to about 8

00:21:50.130 --> 00:21:52.950
,000 feet, 8 ,500 at the very top end in the

00:21:52.950 --> 00:21:56.970
Sierras here. And we realized that the purge

00:21:56.970 --> 00:22:01.809
valve allows us to calibrate all of our digital

00:22:01.809 --> 00:22:04.730
sensors and the digital gauges built into all

00:22:04.730 --> 00:22:08.019
of our compressors. So if you can calibrate your

00:22:08.019 --> 00:22:09.779
compressor and your digital gauges, your digital

00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:13.980
sensors to atmospheric pressure, that gets you

00:22:13.980 --> 00:22:17.880
to be able to put precise and accurate pressures

00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:20.039
into your tires according to whatever you're

00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.599
looking to do. We never really marketed that,

00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:25.539
but it was just kind of like one of those things

00:22:25.539 --> 00:22:28.160
like, oh, sweet. That's awesome. We can do that.

00:22:28.819 --> 00:22:32.430
And then. About a year and a half, almost two

00:22:32.430 --> 00:22:36.450
years after we were running the Gen 2 compressor,

00:22:36.750 --> 00:22:39.049
which has all those upgrades we just talked about,

00:22:39.549 --> 00:22:44.589
some of our competitors started marketing that

00:22:44.589 --> 00:22:48.589
they're the first ones to do a digital calibration

00:22:48.589 --> 00:22:53.869
for elevation to their compressors. And I was

00:22:53.869 --> 00:22:57.069
like... um we've been doing that for like a year

00:22:57.069 --> 00:22:58.930
and a half two years before you guys started

00:22:58.930 --> 00:23:01.589
implementing those so we just haven't really

00:23:01.589 --> 00:23:04.890
been marketing it um so we were able to kind

00:23:04.890 --> 00:23:06.930
of call them on it and they're they're still

00:23:06.930 --> 00:23:12.390
they're still going with their marketing so um

00:23:12.390 --> 00:23:15.710
but yeah those are the main differences of the

00:23:15.710 --> 00:23:18.509
compressors it was unfortunate that when we went

00:23:18.509 --> 00:23:20.529
through kind of the redesign on the internals

00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.839
we didn't take the time to redesign the entire

00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:29.960
compressor because that is our biggest, I don't

00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:31.400
want to say downfall. It's our biggest struggle

00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:34.720
point. It looks to ever the average consumer,

00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.700
like we have the same compressor as everybody

00:23:37.700 --> 00:23:41.400
else on the market. And really when you start

00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.359
digging into it, we don't, we've done a lot of

00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.039
upgrades on the internals. We have contracts

00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.819
from the factories that state that they won't

00:23:49.819 --> 00:23:55.710
make. our spec sheet for other companies. And

00:23:55.710 --> 00:23:58.450
so far they've held true to it. You do see some

00:23:58.450 --> 00:24:01.890
of the features showing up on other compressors

00:24:01.890 --> 00:24:04.690
in the market. Some compressors have picked up

00:24:04.690 --> 00:24:07.670
the aluminum heat sinks. I haven't taken them

00:24:07.670 --> 00:24:09.529
apart to see if they're properly shaped to the

00:24:09.529 --> 00:24:14.650
cylinder yet. I have. I have. Oh, yeah. We built

00:24:14.650 --> 00:24:19.130
an all -top. It has the same, you know, it's

00:24:19.130 --> 00:24:21.829
got the metal manifold like that. Okay. It does

00:24:21.829 --> 00:24:25.690
not go all the way around the cylinder like that.

00:24:25.829 --> 00:24:27.970
Yeah. It's only got the four contact points.

00:24:28.289 --> 00:24:32.309
Yep. The big thing I noticed when I was taking

00:24:32.309 --> 00:24:35.170
apart that all top, and you didn't touch on this,

00:24:35.230 --> 00:24:37.430
they've got these tiny little reeds that are

00:24:37.430 --> 00:24:41.230
the valves. And every single one of those little

00:24:41.230 --> 00:24:45.609
reeds was bending under normal operating system.

00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.700
I plumbed mine into a tank, but before I plumbed

00:24:49.700 --> 00:24:51.880
it into a tank, they were already bending, so

00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.019
we had to flip them over to re -strengthen them.

00:24:54.839 --> 00:25:01.660
But the all -top, we had three of them fail that

00:25:01.660 --> 00:25:04.579
we built. All three of them were kicking out

00:25:04.579 --> 00:25:11.099
the screws that hold those valves on. It would

00:25:11.099 --> 00:25:12.819
kick them out and send them through the piston.

00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:18.529
Oh, geez. Yeah. Wow. And that goes to quality

00:25:18.529 --> 00:25:24.549
control, right? Everybody should know that in

00:25:24.549 --> 00:25:27.309
dealing with China, their number one priority

00:25:27.309 --> 00:25:30.690
is just increasing their bottom line profit as

00:25:30.690 --> 00:25:33.309
much as possible. So if they can find ways to

00:25:33.309 --> 00:25:37.079
cut corners on quality, they will. if you don't

00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.420
have it specifically and explicitly marked out

00:25:40.420 --> 00:25:42.900
in your spec sheet as to what you want them building

00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:45.759
and how you want them building it um they will

00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:49.240
totally skip the corner if they can um and so

00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:53.619
like Having a torque value for those screws or

00:25:53.619 --> 00:25:57.680
having a call out to use a thread sealant of

00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:01.140
some sort on those screws is something that we

00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:04.259
had to do because we had one of our factories

00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.339
before. Mess with those and we had the same issue.

00:26:08.420 --> 00:26:12.779
So the quality control is another thing that

00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:15.519
you really, really have to do in manufacturing.

00:26:16.910 --> 00:26:19.589
The Chinese manufacturers and factories, they

00:26:19.589 --> 00:26:21.970
will follow whatever you want, but you have to

00:26:21.970 --> 00:26:26.470
be very explicit about what you want. And so

00:26:26.470 --> 00:26:30.210
we've had to get our factory to set up a full

00:26:30.210 --> 00:26:34.150
separate quality control process for our compressors

00:26:34.150 --> 00:26:37.390
and our specs than what they do for everybody

00:26:37.390 --> 00:26:39.769
else. We have our own quality control line at

00:26:39.769 --> 00:26:42.769
the factory that we pay a little bit more for.

00:26:43.029 --> 00:26:45.849
But when we do that, it comes down to we don't

00:26:45.849 --> 00:26:48.769
have those simple little failures, like having

00:26:48.769 --> 00:26:51.009
the reed valve screws fall out and chew up your

00:26:51.009 --> 00:26:55.250
cylinders. And we also, not only that, but we

00:26:55.250 --> 00:26:59.029
also go through every single unit at our warehouse

00:26:59.029 --> 00:27:02.089
in Sacramento, California, before shipping it

00:27:02.089 --> 00:27:05.369
out to people. And so we'll catch tiny little

00:27:05.369 --> 00:27:08.549
things like blemishes, scratches on the unit.

00:27:08.950 --> 00:27:11.849
We'll catch a leaky coupler on the output hose.

00:27:12.809 --> 00:27:15.130
We'll catch, you know, one of the downsides of

00:27:15.130 --> 00:27:17.970
doing stainless steel braided hoses is the stainless

00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:21.670
steel braid will come out in certain parts and

00:27:21.670 --> 00:27:23.990
create little pokies. So we catch those, swap

00:27:23.990 --> 00:27:29.569
the hoses out for people. So doing a dual 100

00:27:29.569 --> 00:27:34.430
% quality control process has allowed us to really

00:27:34.430 --> 00:27:37.869
stand behind the compressors and start doing

00:27:37.869 --> 00:27:41.599
a lifetime warranty. on all of our compressors

00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.279
we found that doing all those upgrades to the

00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.619
internals and really making the compressors dissipate

00:27:48.619 --> 00:27:52.000
heat better than anything else um that we weren't

00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.160
really getting warranties back anymore with the

00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.519
gen 2 compressors it was pretty cool our warranty

00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:01.519
rate is under half a percent um so we were like

00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.259
you know what i want to put my money where my

00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:06.880
mouth is and let's just put a lifetime warranty

00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:11.500
on it so Doing everything that we do allows us

00:28:11.500 --> 00:28:14.519
to really stand behind everything with confidence

00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:19.160
that when somebody buys something from us, they

00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.940
shouldn't have issues with it. It should last

00:28:21.940 --> 00:28:24.559
them a very, very long time. Is it going to last

00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:27.660
forever? We're not sure yet. We haven't been

00:28:27.660 --> 00:28:30.160
in business for 10, 15, 20 years to be able to

00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.619
see how long these compressors are really going

00:28:32.619 --> 00:28:35.660
to last. But the Gen 2 compressors, we've been

00:28:35.660 --> 00:28:38.940
able to triple the duty cycle. from the gen ones

00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:42.660
so the gen ones running four tires at a time

00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:46.440
you're looking at about 15 to 20 minutes on and

00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:50.900
10 to 15 minutes off so roughly a 50 duty cycle

00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:56.220
um and with how much air these compressors put

00:28:56.220 --> 00:28:59.519
out 15 to 20 minutes on doing four tires at a

00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.200
time that you're really looking at like three

00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.039
to four vehicles you can get aired up before

00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:08.460
you're hitting thermal cutoffs And now with our

00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:12.240
Gen 2 upgrades, we can run these things 45 minutes

00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:16.759
doing four tires at a time before they hit a

00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:18.799
thermal cutoff. And the thermal cutoff is the

00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.339
internal temperature around 230, 235 degree Fahrenheit.

00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:27.900
That's when the thermal cutoff kicks in. So we've,

00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:29.839
and we actually, when we were doing the duty

00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.140
cycle tests, we just called the test because

00:29:32.140 --> 00:29:34.579
we got to 45 minutes and it wasn't cutting off.

00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.339
So we're like. who's going to try and run this

00:29:37.339 --> 00:29:42.200
for 45 minutes straight airing up? I mean, you

00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.920
can get, what is that? Eight, nine vehicles done

00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:49.180
in 45 minutes, something like that. So we just

00:29:49.180 --> 00:29:51.140
called the test at 45 minutes and called it good

00:29:51.140 --> 00:29:55.279
there. But what we do every year is we love doing

00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:59.480
events where we get to set up kind of inflation

00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:04.519
and deflation stations. And so Jeepers Jamboree,

00:30:04.619 --> 00:30:06.440
we're lucky enough to be right next to the Rubicon

00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.720
up here in California. And we have good relationships

00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.160
with all the organizations that run the Rubicon,

00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.319
including Jeepers Jamboree. So at the end of

00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:20.380
Jeepers Jamboree on Sunday, when everybody's

00:30:20.380 --> 00:30:24.099
coming out of the trail, we go and set up inflation

00:30:24.099 --> 00:30:27.299
stations in Tahoma at the Tahoma staging area.

00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:32.740
And we air up. over 500 vehicles in a half a

00:30:32.740 --> 00:30:38.299
day using eight compressors. That's crazy. So,

00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:41.599
um, it's, it's just, it's, and every time we

00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.420
go and do that event, I'm always sitting back

00:30:44.420 --> 00:30:46.900
and wondering when we're going to have a compressor

00:30:46.900 --> 00:30:51.000
fail doing 500 vehicles and they never do. We've

00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.619
been using the same compressors, I think for

00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:56.329
three years in a row now, um, to do. that event

00:30:56.329 --> 00:30:59.910
plus more throughout the year. So it just goes

00:30:59.910 --> 00:31:02.450
to show that when you really look and do the

00:31:02.450 --> 00:31:06.450
research and build something that's specifically

00:31:06.450 --> 00:31:09.630
designed to handle what you're trying to do,

00:31:09.789 --> 00:31:14.789
you can make a pretty damn good product. And

00:31:14.789 --> 00:31:16.970
as long as you do the quality controls on your

00:31:16.970 --> 00:31:20.650
end to make sure that the customer gets what

00:31:20.650 --> 00:31:24.589
you made and what you intended, it's a pretty

00:31:24.589 --> 00:31:29.960
cool thing. Yeah, and now you've taken even farther.

00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:35.400
You've got the hub, which I'm starting to see

00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:40.640
clones of, by the way. Oh, yeah. Which I just

00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.519
sent one to the chat there on Jitsi. I think

00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.720
that's crazy because the hub is such a unique

00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.599
piece already to then copy it and make it worse

00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:52.539
and sell it. It's almost the same price, too.

00:31:53.140 --> 00:31:56.309
Yeah. Yours is what, like 250 or something like

00:31:56.309 --> 00:32:00.890
that? Yeah, 250. And the clones are right there

00:32:00.890 --> 00:32:04.869
at the $249 .99 mark. Yeah, so there's a funny

00:32:04.869 --> 00:32:08.369
story about that. I'm not going to name any brands.

00:32:08.650 --> 00:32:11.970
I'll let the consumers and the listeners try

00:32:11.970 --> 00:32:16.450
and figure out which ones they are. But when

00:32:16.450 --> 00:32:21.650
we were the first ones to... really be working

00:32:21.650 --> 00:32:25.690
on the air hub project with the factory um and

00:32:25.690 --> 00:32:27.430
this is the same factory that makes the same

00:32:27.430 --> 00:32:29.390
compressors for everybody else it's a really

00:32:29.390 --> 00:32:32.289
cool factory they do a bunch of solar and technology

00:32:32.289 --> 00:32:37.250
stuff as well as air compressors um and so they

00:32:37.250 --> 00:32:40.410
were able to combine technologies which is something

00:32:40.410 --> 00:32:43.200
that i've always been interested in And so we

00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.880
immediately hit it off, me and the owner of the

00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.359
factory, when we were trying to develop the PSI

00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:54.019
Pro algorithm. And then our idea was to create

00:32:54.019 --> 00:32:56.519
a deflation algorithm because deflation algorithms

00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.480
have never existed. And that's not really something

00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:03.819
that you can do really well other than by the

00:33:03.819 --> 00:33:05.859
brute force methods. Right. And it's not just

00:33:05.859 --> 00:33:08.380
as easy as reversing the inflation algorithm.

00:33:10.059 --> 00:33:12.539
So we worked with him after we'd got the inflation

00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:14.759
algorithm done and perfected. We'd worked with

00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.420
him on the deflation algorithm as well to work

00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:22.299
all of that into one unit. And then we were able

00:33:22.299 --> 00:33:25.960
to tell him, hey, this unit's pretty good. It

00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.859
needs to be done this way, though, in order to

00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:31.299
survive off -roading atmospheres, off -roading

00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:35.089
environments. It needs to be. No bigger than

00:33:35.089 --> 00:33:38.849
this. Our outputs and inputs have to be oriented

00:33:38.849 --> 00:33:42.890
in these configurations. You should make it out

00:33:42.890 --> 00:33:46.569
of this material. And so we went through all

00:33:46.569 --> 00:33:49.849
those steps with them. Went through two or three

00:33:49.849 --> 00:33:55.650
different alpha tests of samples before we landed

00:33:55.650 --> 00:34:00.710
on our air hub that we have today. Unfortunately,

00:34:00.710 --> 00:34:03.549
once we landed on that air hub, we sent it to

00:34:03.549 --> 00:34:08.269
production. And one of our competitors happened

00:34:08.269 --> 00:34:12.050
to be visiting the factory while our air hub

00:34:12.050 --> 00:34:16.949
was on production line. The owner and the engineering

00:34:16.949 --> 00:34:19.809
team of the factory grabbed one of our air hubs

00:34:19.809 --> 00:34:23.929
off of our production line, handed it to our

00:34:23.929 --> 00:34:26.619
competitor. and said this is what we're making

00:34:26.619 --> 00:34:29.219
for more fleet and this take this as an engineering

00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:33.480
sample we can't make it for you but we own the

00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.460
rights to the technology that drives what it

00:34:36.460 --> 00:34:40.059
does um and so we have our own design with our

00:34:40.059 --> 00:34:42.199
own spec sheet and everything they technically

00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:48.000
own the technology um and so yeah they they said

00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.239
here's what we can do we can build you your own

00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.420
air hub but this one's more flights take it home

00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:55.719
play around with it and test it see what it does

00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.760
and then we can make one for you our competitor

00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:03.699
immediately took that home and put it on instagram

00:35:03.699 --> 00:35:06.219
while we were going through our teaser campaign

00:35:06.219 --> 00:35:09.820
to launch the air hub like we were just about

00:35:09.820 --> 00:35:13.139
to start the teaser campaign of something new

00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:16.889
and big is coming um This thing that revolutionized

00:35:16.889 --> 00:35:19.309
the off -road industry, how people view airing

00:35:19.309 --> 00:35:22.349
up and airing down tires. But we hadn't given

00:35:22.349 --> 00:35:26.329
any pictures of what it was, any idea of size

00:35:26.329 --> 00:35:29.710
or what this thing was. And then all of a sudden,

00:35:29.730 --> 00:35:33.170
our competitor shows up with our air hub on Instagram

00:35:33.170 --> 00:35:37.730
saying, look, this is our, I almost called it

00:35:37.730 --> 00:35:39.489
by its name, what they call it. This is our air

00:35:39.489 --> 00:35:42.929
hub. um we designed this we came out with it

00:35:42.929 --> 00:35:46.110
we're launching it pre -orders up now and i was

00:35:46.110 --> 00:35:50.889
like are you fucking kidding me what the hell

00:35:50.889 --> 00:35:53.309
and so i'm starting to look into this and i got

00:35:53.309 --> 00:35:56.309
in touch with the factory i was like yo why do

00:35:56.309 --> 00:35:59.469
they have one of our air hubs like this is and

00:35:59.469 --> 00:36:01.170
they're they're saying that they that this is

00:36:01.170 --> 00:36:03.130
theirs that they made it he goes no no no no

00:36:03.130 --> 00:36:06.030
and he explained what happened during their visit

00:36:06.030 --> 00:36:08.289
and i was like well that's not what they're saying

00:36:08.289 --> 00:36:11.400
what they're telling everybody So somebody is

00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:15.260
wrong here. And if you are going against our

00:36:15.260 --> 00:36:17.579
contracts and selling our product to somebody

00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:20.960
else, that's going to be a very big deal. And

00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.760
I'm going to have to get lawyers involved and

00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.099
all this other stuff. And he goes, no, no, no.

00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.340
And he sent me the emails back and forth between

00:36:29.340 --> 00:36:32.360
him and my competitor stating what had happened

00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:35.920
and that it was stated. This is an engineering

00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.010
sample, blah, blah. And I was like. First off,

00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:41.630
shame on you for giving him our product as an

00:36:41.630 --> 00:36:45.949
engineering sample. But B, shame on them for

00:36:45.949 --> 00:36:48.829
going against everything you said and trying

00:36:48.829 --> 00:36:51.429
to state that it's their thing. They had a picture

00:36:51.429 --> 00:36:53.989
of it on their website that they were collecting

00:36:53.989 --> 00:36:58.829
pre -orders from. And so I had to get my lawyers

00:36:58.829 --> 00:37:01.889
involved with them there. And that was even after

00:37:01.889 --> 00:37:05.690
we had a design patent submitted in the United

00:37:05.690 --> 00:37:09.460
States and processing. And so one of the big

00:37:09.460 --> 00:37:13.119
issues with patent law is that you can't go after

00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:17.059
somebody until the patent is confirmed, right?

00:37:17.139 --> 00:37:19.960
It's been approved. So just because it's a processing

00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.960
does not mean you get to go after somebody, which

00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:24.980
is unfortunate because the processing can take

00:37:24.980 --> 00:37:30.519
two to three years sometimes. And so we went

00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.699
after them and sent the lawyers, we sent them

00:37:32.699 --> 00:37:35.710
cease and desist letters. and said you guys need

00:37:35.710 --> 00:37:38.409
to send that back to us you can't have it and

00:37:38.409 --> 00:37:40.730
they didn't send it back to us what they ended

00:37:40.730 --> 00:37:43.550
up doing to get around the cease and desist letters

00:37:43.550 --> 00:37:49.309
was they built an aluminum box and put our air

00:37:49.309 --> 00:37:52.389
hub in the box and then continued taking it out

00:37:52.389 --> 00:37:55.510
to shows and events um and i have pictures of

00:37:55.510 --> 00:37:59.949
it all too um so yeah it's it was it was just

00:37:59.949 --> 00:38:03.780
one of those things where you start you start

00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:06.239
looking at and paying close attention to what

00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:07.900
companies are doing in the off -road industry.

00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:10.380
And you start seeing which ones are actually

00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:12.920
doing their research, actually doing the work

00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:17.940
to make stuff and be a part of the off -road

00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:20.099
community. And then you start seeing which ones

00:38:20.099 --> 00:38:22.340
are just there to make a quick profit and move

00:38:22.340 --> 00:38:28.940
on. And so, yeah, just all the listeners out

00:38:28.940 --> 00:38:30.800
there, keep your eyes open and pay attention

00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:36.059
to the specifics and details. yeah you're uh

00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:39.099
that's crazy man just the fact that they can

00:38:39.099 --> 00:38:41.179
just copy it like that and just do whatever with

00:38:41.179 --> 00:38:44.320
it yep yeah and it was it was one of those things

00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.099
where you know a couple years ago i had a another

00:38:48.099 --> 00:38:52.780
company um asked to purchase more flight acquire

00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:55.099
more flight and i was like i'm not ready to sell

00:38:55.099 --> 00:38:57.260
out but i'm going to draw this out and see where

00:38:57.260 --> 00:39:00.900
this goes um and their reasoning the way they

00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:04.150
approached it was Hey, you need to let us buy

00:39:04.150 --> 00:39:08.150
you or you don't have any intellectual property,

00:39:08.369 --> 00:39:12.190
intellectual protection. So no patents, no trademarks,

00:39:12.329 --> 00:39:14.690
et cetera. So we're just going to come into your

00:39:14.690 --> 00:39:16.969
market, take it over and kick you out anyways.

00:39:17.650 --> 00:39:20.690
So let us buy you or else. And I kind of strung

00:39:20.690 --> 00:39:23.789
them along for about six months. And then finally

00:39:23.789 --> 00:39:25.730
came up with some excuse. Hey, this isn't fair

00:39:25.730 --> 00:39:27.570
to you guys. I'm sorry. We just got to cut this.

00:39:28.969 --> 00:39:32.360
But it taught me a lot that. they were right.

00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.280
I didn't have patents. I was being naive in thinking

00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:41.519
that people would stick to, if they develop something,

00:39:41.780 --> 00:39:44.360
then they would want to be pushing it and selling

00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:47.679
it, not let's rip off other people's products

00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:52.960
and go to market with it to try and kick them

00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.010
out of the market and take over. I thought that

00:39:56.010 --> 00:39:57.550
the off -road industry was a little bit better

00:39:57.550 --> 00:39:59.389
than that. But there's definitely players in

00:39:59.389 --> 00:40:02.230
the off -road industry that behave that way.

00:40:03.469 --> 00:40:07.250
And I'm learning who those players are. So since

00:40:07.250 --> 00:40:09.750
then, I've put a lot of effort into learning

00:40:09.750 --> 00:40:12.829
patent law, trademark law, intellectual property

00:40:12.829 --> 00:40:15.769
protections, and putting those things in place

00:40:15.769 --> 00:40:19.510
in order to protect the future of this company,

00:40:19.630 --> 00:40:23.789
all the employees, jobs. all to ultimately all

00:40:23.789 --> 00:40:25.989
of our customers too because if we go out of

00:40:25.989 --> 00:40:28.929
business because we lost our spot in the market

00:40:28.929 --> 00:40:31.809
then customers don't get those forever warranties

00:40:31.809 --> 00:40:33.210
anymore those lifetime warranties they don't

00:40:33.210 --> 00:40:35.550
get the customer service they don't get to see

00:40:35.550 --> 00:40:37.449
their money that they spend at more flight go

00:40:37.449 --> 00:40:41.150
back into their trails nationwide um with our

00:40:41.150 --> 00:40:45.010
trail donation programs so um i had to learn

00:40:45.010 --> 00:40:48.340
that was that was a tough uh uh lesson to learn

00:40:48.340 --> 00:40:52.239
but um two years into that one um i think we've

00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.079
got a lot of really good things in place to really

00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.920
protect um the future of the company and the

00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.400
stuff that we do come out with design and r &d

00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:04.300
and a release to the public so which you've got

00:41:04.300 --> 00:41:06.980
new stuff coming that you should tease us or

00:41:06.980 --> 00:41:08.460
no you shouldn't tease us you should just tell

00:41:08.460 --> 00:41:11.820
us what it is yeah we're getting ready um here

00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:14.650
i think it's going to be about two to three weeks.

00:41:14.750 --> 00:41:16.489
It really depends on the government shutdown

00:41:16.489 --> 00:41:20.809
right now. Customs and imports are just getting

00:41:20.809 --> 00:41:23.230
extremely backed up. They're running skeleton

00:41:23.230 --> 00:41:28.190
crews in customs and CBP. So things are just

00:41:28.190 --> 00:41:31.090
taking a really, really long time to get processed

00:41:31.090 --> 00:41:37.429
through customs. So I'm hoping... I could wait

00:41:37.429 --> 00:41:39.750
and release this if you want to just tell us

00:41:39.750 --> 00:41:44.050
what it is. Maybe I'll tell you off air once

00:41:44.050 --> 00:41:46.889
we're done recording. But it is going to be new

00:41:46.889 --> 00:41:51.349
hose kits. I will drop that one. I'll tell you

00:41:51.349 --> 00:41:52.809
guys what it is. I'm not going to tell you exactly

00:41:52.809 --> 00:41:56.429
what we're doing to them yet. But it's going

00:41:56.429 --> 00:42:00.449
to be we're revamping all of our hose kits across

00:42:00.449 --> 00:42:04.110
the board. We found a new way to make hoses,

00:42:04.110 --> 00:42:10.610
which is pretty rad and works awesome. for uh

00:42:10.610 --> 00:42:13.769
what we do in the off -road space and the environments

00:42:13.769 --> 00:42:16.829
we're in um with these four tire air hoses systems

00:42:16.829 --> 00:42:21.429
yeah that's that's really exciting yeah because

00:42:21.429 --> 00:42:23.650
you're because you use a different rubber than

00:42:23.650 --> 00:42:26.429
most people do or at least a different material

00:42:26.429 --> 00:42:30.190
i don't know it's exactly rubber yep um the the

00:42:30.190 --> 00:42:32.809
two that i've seen that are really good are your

00:42:32.809 --> 00:42:36.289
hoses are really good and then apex designs I

00:42:36.289 --> 00:42:38.230
don't know if you know who they are. Their hoses

00:42:38.230 --> 00:42:41.710
are really good as well. Yep. Yep. But yours,

00:42:41.849 --> 00:42:44.489
theirs are a little different and you got to

00:42:44.489 --> 00:42:47.409
cut them and make them fit to your size. They're

00:42:47.409 --> 00:42:50.510
four -way inflation. I'm eh, whatever. But the

00:42:50.510 --> 00:42:52.409
rest of what you can do with their stuff is cool.

00:42:52.570 --> 00:42:55.530
Yours is just a one -stop shop. Everything works.

00:42:55.989 --> 00:42:59.269
It's set up. You're like the apple of a... air

00:42:59.269 --> 00:43:03.809
inflation yeah no it's definitely um we make

00:43:03.809 --> 00:43:06.849
we we like to think of making an ecosystem of

00:43:06.849 --> 00:43:09.909
air inflation stuff right and deflation and so

00:43:09.909 --> 00:43:12.670
we don't we like to make it very modular so that

00:43:12.670 --> 00:43:15.769
people if they don't have 600 bucks to spend

00:43:15.769 --> 00:43:18.570
all at once you can just buy the hose kit and

00:43:18.570 --> 00:43:20.429
start off with the four tire hose kit running

00:43:20.429 --> 00:43:24.530
four tires off of any air compressor will make

00:43:24.530 --> 00:43:27.929
your air compressor be happier. It distributes

00:43:27.929 --> 00:43:31.590
the airflow and makes it so that you're running

00:43:31.590 --> 00:43:33.550
your air compressors efficiently. You're not

00:43:33.550 --> 00:43:37.030
getting backlogs of air pressure on your compressors,

00:43:37.050 --> 00:43:39.969
which helps them run cooler, makes them last

00:43:39.969 --> 00:43:41.829
longer. You don't blow out gaskets and seals.

00:43:42.070 --> 00:43:46.190
You don't pull more power and melt wiring harnesses.

00:43:46.250 --> 00:43:49.269
So anytime you get the chance to run four times,

00:43:49.389 --> 00:43:51.170
it does a lot of really cool things for your

00:43:51.170 --> 00:43:54.619
compressor. And then once your compressor, if

00:43:54.619 --> 00:43:57.639
it ever does finally die, if it doesn't, then

00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.679
you can get an air hub. And the cool thing about

00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:01.519
the air hub is because of the way the learning

00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.300
algorithms work, they're universal. You can put

00:44:05.300 --> 00:44:07.539
them on any air source and it makes any air source

00:44:07.539 --> 00:44:10.760
into an automated air source. So you can take

00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:15.119
your twin ARB and hook up our hoses with the

00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.480
air hub. And now your twin ARB is a completely

00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.489
automated ARB. And then in the future, if you

00:44:22.489 --> 00:44:25.349
have an engine -mounted ARB, it's going to melt

00:44:25.349 --> 00:44:29.849
itself eventually. And so replace that with one

00:44:29.849 --> 00:44:31.510
of our compressors down the road. You'll get

00:44:31.510 --> 00:44:36.869
more airflow, 50 % less air inflation time, and

00:44:36.869 --> 00:44:40.150
it's all automated. So it's kind of like a stepping

00:44:40.150 --> 00:44:43.769
stone ecosystem where you can start with one

00:44:43.769 --> 00:44:45.969
thing, and then as time goes on, upgrade your

00:44:45.969 --> 00:44:48.880
other components as you go. do it all at once,

00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.059
you know, whatever you like to do. Um, and so

00:44:51.059 --> 00:44:53.860
we try and I try and make things universal as

00:44:53.860 --> 00:44:57.940
well as, um, modular, um, our two things that

00:44:57.940 --> 00:45:00.239
are design elements. When you look at all of

00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.579
our products, um, something that we do. So, yeah.

00:45:06.699 --> 00:45:10.179
So, uh, you remember back, this would be back

00:45:10.179 --> 00:45:12.679
before you started Morphlate. Everyone was converting

00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.739
their AC compressors into air compressors. Do

00:45:15.739 --> 00:45:20.010
you remember that? Oh yeah. Yep. How much, because

00:45:20.010 --> 00:45:22.110
I'm thinking about doing something like that,

00:45:22.150 --> 00:45:25.610
but how much better is an electric pump CFM compared

00:45:25.610 --> 00:45:28.929
to the engine -mounted AC compressors? Yeah,

00:45:28.989 --> 00:45:32.010
good question. So a belt -driven engine -mounted

00:45:32.010 --> 00:45:38.510
compressor pushes about 12, 12 .5 CFM, which

00:45:38.510 --> 00:45:41.190
is pretty good. It beats our 10 .6 compressors.

00:45:41.190 --> 00:45:45.409
Our 10 .6 are 10 .6 CFM. So the thing to think

00:45:45.409 --> 00:45:50.360
about, though. is that your four tires are bottlenecked

00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:53.800
at your valve stems. The valve stems are going

00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:59.179
to be the smallest part of an air system on tires,

00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:03.360
off -road tires at least. So those valve stems,

00:46:03.579 --> 00:46:05.920
there's a Schrader valve. So it's a tiny little

00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.860
valve that sits inside your valve stem. What

00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:13.199
actuates that valve is a spring -loaded pin.

00:46:15.070 --> 00:46:18.670
that goes through the orifice of the valve so

00:46:18.670 --> 00:46:23.690
that orifice is only about 1 16th of an inch

00:46:23.690 --> 00:46:27.690
inner inside diameter with a pin going down the

00:46:27.690 --> 00:46:30.550
center of it so like you're looking at less than

00:46:30.550 --> 00:46:34.329
1 16th of an inch of an air orifice to get air

00:46:34.329 --> 00:46:38.690
through that limits your airflow to about 2 cfm

00:46:38.690 --> 00:46:42.380
per tire It's a little less at lower pressures,

00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:44.320
a little higher at higher pressures. So around

00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:46.820
30, 20 to 30 PSI, which is where a lot of off

00:46:46.820 --> 00:46:50.539
-road tires sit at, you're looking at about 2

00:46:50.539 --> 00:46:55.320
CFM. So really your max capacity of inflating

00:46:55.320 --> 00:47:00.000
four tires at a time is about 8 CFM. Again, a

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.900
little more higher pressures, a little less at

00:47:01.900 --> 00:47:06.179
lower pressures. So the other thing to think

00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:10.139
about is that compressors. As the working pressure

00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:17.239
increases, your airflow decreases. So our 10

00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.960
-6 compressor, I should just pull this up real

00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:21.960
quick because I'm giving you guys the accurate

00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:26.280
information, the data, because I'm a fun data

00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:33.000
nerd. I love numbers and analysis. And then along

00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:36.980
with that Schrader valve, most chucks only open

00:47:36.980 --> 00:47:40.670
it like 50%. so that's even less yep i mean if

00:47:40.670 --> 00:47:42.949
you like apex has their high flow chuck which

00:47:42.949 --> 00:47:46.849
opens it like i think it's like 89 90 up to nine

00:47:46.849 --> 00:47:48.690
depending on the schrader valve they'll do up

00:47:48.690 --> 00:47:52.170
to like 98 i think yep i think because with their

00:47:52.170 --> 00:47:56.429
rpv i think it's 98 open um yeah but yeah so

00:47:56.429 --> 00:47:58.289
even then you're getting less airflow through

00:47:58.289 --> 00:48:00.079
there than what the schrader valve potentially

00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.199
could be doing anyway. Yeah, for sure. And, um,

00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.280
there's a couple of great videos. Apex has done

00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.280
a couple of good videos about valve core engagement.

00:48:07.619 --> 00:48:10.539
Um, we did some really good ones. They are in

00:48:10.539 --> 00:48:14.000
our, um, story highlights on our Instagram. So

00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.840
if you scroll right, go to our Instagram, look

00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.179
right above our, uh, wall or our post wall, um,

00:48:20.300 --> 00:48:23.019
are the highlight sections. Um, there's a section

00:48:23.019 --> 00:48:24.800
with technique. I think it's called technical

00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:31.769
data. Um, And in that is videos of how well our

00:48:31.769 --> 00:48:35.070
air chucks engage valve cores compared to every

00:48:35.070 --> 00:48:37.949
other air chuck on the market. And I think our

00:48:37.949 --> 00:48:42.309
air chucks beat Apex's air chucks on valve core

00:48:42.309 --> 00:48:44.489
engagement, which is pretty cool. We actually

00:48:44.489 --> 00:48:47.030
designed our air chucks. I went down a really

00:48:47.030 --> 00:48:49.510
deep rabbit hole one time on air chucks. Air

00:48:49.510 --> 00:48:51.750
chucks are notoriously really, really shitty

00:48:51.750 --> 00:48:54.809
in this world. I'm amazed as to how bad they

00:48:54.809 --> 00:48:59.760
are. for something that's so basic of an air

00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:04.699
valve opener. And so I went down a deep dive

00:49:04.699 --> 00:49:07.059
to improve, make the best air chuck that I could

00:49:07.059 --> 00:49:10.760
possibly find. And that was the ones we use today.

00:49:10.980 --> 00:49:15.059
And we specifically came to that and realized

00:49:15.059 --> 00:49:16.940
that we needed to make an air chuck ourselves

00:49:16.940 --> 00:49:22.300
because of Apex's rapid valves, the RPVs, because

00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:25.909
they are a very short valve step. They're slightly

00:49:25.909 --> 00:49:29.389
shorter than what a valve stem should be. They

00:49:29.389 --> 00:49:33.170
should be a half an inch of threads and a neck

00:49:33.170 --> 00:49:36.650
in order to get air chucks to engage. And Apex

00:49:36.650 --> 00:49:40.929
is like 0 .45 of an inch long, which means they're

00:49:40.929 --> 00:49:42.949
really short. And a lot of air chucks have a

00:49:42.949 --> 00:49:46.530
lot of difficulties engaging onto RPVs. And so

00:49:46.530 --> 00:49:49.230
we specifically went to the drawing board and

00:49:49.230 --> 00:49:50.750
designed our own air chucks so that we could

00:49:50.750 --> 00:49:54.099
make something. that engaged and got full engagement

00:49:54.099 --> 00:49:59.239
to an rpv which is a lot of fun um that's i might

00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.719
have to look at yours because if yours are beating

00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:06.980
there i use rp we use rpvs both um yeah so if

00:50:06.980 --> 00:50:08.880
yours are beating them i might be interested

00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.059
yeah go see if you can find it see if you can

00:50:11.059 --> 00:50:12.800
find here i'll see if i can pull it up real quick

00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:20.739
uh instagram yeah i think like both of you guys

00:50:20.739 --> 00:50:24.500
make amazing stuff yeah i i the rpv is really

00:50:24.500 --> 00:50:27.099
what drew me to apex if you came out with a valve

00:50:27.099 --> 00:50:30.239
stem let me know that'd be really uh funny you

00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:31.699
mentioned that i don't know if we're going to

00:50:31.699 --> 00:50:34.780
come out with a valve stem per se but um we are

00:50:34.780 --> 00:50:40.980
starting to work with um colby valves to create

00:50:40.980 --> 00:50:45.019
our own valve stem replacement um so i've thought

00:50:45.019 --> 00:50:47.079
about coming out with something similar to an

00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:53.159
rpv but um apex has a valve stem um and then

00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.119
power tank has their monster valves right and

00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.219
both of them make an awesome product and i'm

00:50:58.219 --> 00:51:01.820
really not in business not here in this industry

00:51:01.820 --> 00:51:05.800
to copy products and rip stuff off if a company

00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:09.340
makes a good product and i'm like i don't really

00:51:09.340 --> 00:51:12.699
have any ideas to make it better or to make it

00:51:12.699 --> 00:51:14.920
different have a different feature to it or something

00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:19.079
um Then I'm going to let that company make that

00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.980
product. I'm going to support them. So that RPV,

00:51:22.099 --> 00:51:24.960
awesome product. The only downside is that it's

00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:27.300
a little longer. And so if you do a lot of rock

00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:30.699
crawling, you have a higher potential to shear

00:51:30.699 --> 00:51:34.860
it off. Especially since they're not flexible.

00:51:35.059 --> 00:51:37.639
Exactly, right? I'm definitely, anybody who does

00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.360
off -roading, in my opinion, you should always

00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:43.010
have rubber valve stems. um just because it's

00:51:43.010 --> 00:51:44.530
gonna be a matter of time before you rip one

00:51:44.530 --> 00:51:46.889
out um and rubber will take that abuse a little

00:51:46.889 --> 00:51:51.250
bit better um but other other than that the rpvs

00:51:51.250 --> 00:51:54.010
are fantastic the downside to monster valves

00:51:54.010 --> 00:51:57.789
is that it's only the 3 8 diameter valve you

00:51:57.789 --> 00:52:01.070
don't have a two -in -one combo for inflation

00:52:01.070 --> 00:52:05.250
as a regular valve stem the way rpv does so the

00:52:05.250 --> 00:52:10.250
rpv is let air out very quick But there's still

00:52:10.250 --> 00:52:13.369
a basic regular Schrader valve to let air in,

00:52:13.590 --> 00:52:16.070
which means they're still on the input side.

00:52:16.269 --> 00:52:21.289
They are limited to about 2 CFM. So there's that.

00:52:21.449 --> 00:52:25.469
But if you look at that Instagram, I put the

00:52:25.469 --> 00:52:28.510
Instagram post down in the chat. You can pull

00:52:28.510 --> 00:52:29.949
that up and take a look at it later if you're

00:52:29.949 --> 00:52:33.429
interested in how our air chucks compare to the

00:52:33.429 --> 00:52:40.800
Apex's air chucks. Okay. yeah i uh i bought their

00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:42.719
high when they first came out with the high flow

00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.380
and i had nothing but problems i still have issues

00:52:45.380 --> 00:52:50.980
oh no so yeah um they the other thing that they

00:52:50.980 --> 00:52:54.000
do is that they're a big thing with air chucks

00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.760
in my opinion that's a really bad thing to put

00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:02.239
in air chucks is um default engaged teeth that

00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:05.519
grab onto your valve stems um anytime you have

00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:10.099
a default engaged teeth that means that inevitably

00:53:10.099 --> 00:53:13.039
at some point you're going to be rubbing those

00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:16.119
teeth along your valve stem threads while you're

00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:18.219
putting on and taking off the air chuck which

00:53:18.219 --> 00:53:20.840
means there's planned obsolescence you're either

00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:23.360
wearing down the teeth or you're going to be

00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:25.519
wearing down your valve stem threads and it's

00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:27.380
typically going to be the valve stem threads

00:53:27.380 --> 00:53:30.260
because a lot of times the teeth in air chucks

00:53:30.260 --> 00:53:32.320
are going to be made out of tool steel which

00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.309
is a lot more hard of a material than brass or

00:53:36.309 --> 00:53:38.469
aluminum which is what your valve stem threads

00:53:38.469 --> 00:53:42.289
are typically made out of so by wearing out your

00:53:42.289 --> 00:53:45.230
valve stem threads you're gonna be end up replacing

00:53:45.230 --> 00:53:48.329
those rpvs you're gonna replace your valve stems

00:53:48.329 --> 00:53:50.369
on your vehicle and if you have tpms sensors

00:53:50.369 --> 00:53:55.369
that's a 70 to 70 to 80 replacement um because

00:53:55.369 --> 00:53:57.769
you have to reprogram new tpms when you put them

00:53:57.769 --> 00:54:01.690
in as well so um one of the big things i wanted

00:54:01.690 --> 00:54:05.019
when i when i went down originally started the

00:54:05.019 --> 00:54:09.739
four tire hose kits back in 2016, 17, when I

00:54:09.739 --> 00:54:12.480
was trying to put these together, um, was I wanted

00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:16.039
default disengaged teeth so that there was no

00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.159
planned ops lessons. We're not ripping up people's

00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:22.659
valve stems. Um, and, uh, that's one of the things

00:54:22.659 --> 00:54:25.320
that we continue to this day with our proprietary

00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.139
air chucks are more fleet air chucks now with

00:54:27.139 --> 00:54:31.800
the locking collars. So, yeah, I love that. That's

00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:36.690
way better. all right you got me convinced i'm

00:54:36.690 --> 00:54:41.170
buying some air chucks they're awesome man they're

00:54:41.170 --> 00:54:44.130
full engagement of a valve core on pretty much

00:54:44.130 --> 00:54:46.090
100 i don't think you can get a valve core to

00:54:46.090 --> 00:54:49.610
open any further than our air chucks do um and

00:54:49.610 --> 00:54:52.969
default disengaged teeth um the locking collar

00:54:52.969 --> 00:54:56.929
uh actuates the teeth in the direction you're

00:54:56.929 --> 00:54:59.809
pushing on the air chuck or pulling it off which

00:54:59.809 --> 00:55:02.269
is opposite of a lot of air couplers a lot of

00:55:02.269 --> 00:55:04.469
air couplers you're trying to push the two fittings

00:55:04.469 --> 00:55:08.469
together while pulling a collar backwards. So

00:55:08.469 --> 00:55:12.269
it's two different actions trying to do this.

00:55:13.909 --> 00:55:15.789
The other really cool thing about our air chucks

00:55:15.789 --> 00:55:19.110
is if you look really closely at the teeth from

00:55:19.110 --> 00:55:21.489
the profile view of the air chuck, you'll see

00:55:21.489 --> 00:55:23.489
that the teeth are offset from each other. They're

00:55:23.489 --> 00:55:27.650
at different planes of elevation. Those offset

00:55:27.650 --> 00:55:32.460
teeth are the exact thread. pit not the thread

00:55:32.460 --> 00:55:35.179
pitch but yeah the thread pitch how many inches

00:55:35.179 --> 00:55:39.000
how many threads per inch um a valve stem thread

00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:42.559
is on the exterior of your valve stems so our

00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:48.920
teeth are perfectly designed to engage in the

00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:53.880
valleys of your valve stem threads um so that

00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.260
you don't accidentally get a tooth binding up

00:55:56.260 --> 00:55:59.960
on the peaks of your valve stem threads and destroying

00:55:59.960 --> 00:56:05.210
your threads so another little small feature

00:56:05.210 --> 00:56:07.469
that we never really talk about people and it's

00:56:07.469 --> 00:56:10.170
too small a feature to really notice but if you

00:56:10.170 --> 00:56:12.309
have some of our air chucks you can kind of turn

00:56:12.309 --> 00:56:14.070
them to the side so you can see where the teeth

00:56:14.070 --> 00:56:17.449
go into the air chuck body and then rotate the

00:56:17.449 --> 00:56:20.170
air chuck and you'll see that offset levels of

00:56:20.170 --> 00:56:23.869
the teeth that offset level is specifically designed

00:56:23.869 --> 00:56:26.710
so that the teeth go into the valleys of the

00:56:26.710 --> 00:56:32.230
threads all three teeth at the same time so got

00:56:32.230 --> 00:56:40.570
your attention but yeah i guess uh real quick

00:56:40.570 --> 00:56:42.190
because i just found out my mom's on her way

00:56:42.190 --> 00:56:45.090
um i got one more i got one more question okay

00:56:45.090 --> 00:56:49.429
and now i forgot it sidetrack on the air trucks

00:56:49.429 --> 00:56:54.590
yeah no um yeah man but your your air trucks

00:56:54.590 --> 00:56:56.190
are incredible if i remember that question i'll

00:56:56.190 --> 00:56:57.849
text you and ask you because now it's going to

00:56:57.849 --> 00:57:03.730
bug me for sure um Yeah. I was going to try and

00:57:03.730 --> 00:57:07.190
get into radio stuff, but we really, I knew you

00:57:07.190 --> 00:57:10.349
could talk, but you had so much knowledge for

00:57:10.349 --> 00:57:14.409
us. Once you start getting me going on engineering

00:57:14.409 --> 00:57:17.670
stuff and physics and R and D stuff that we've

00:57:17.670 --> 00:57:20.570
already done and released, dude, I can go forever.

00:57:20.750 --> 00:57:25.309
I love, I love the little details. I love. perfecting

00:57:25.309 --> 00:57:28.170
something right looking at something and constantly

00:57:28.170 --> 00:57:30.309
trying to figure out how to make it better how

00:57:30.309 --> 00:57:33.289
to do it better um how to make it better for

00:57:33.289 --> 00:57:36.190
customers how to make it longer lasting etc so

00:57:36.190 --> 00:57:39.969
um i'm always nerding out and always re -evaluating

00:57:39.969 --> 00:57:43.949
all of our products um such as our side valves

00:57:43.949 --> 00:57:45.590
like our side valves and our couplers right now

00:57:45.590 --> 00:57:49.150
are a great example um we started with a quarter

00:57:49.150 --> 00:57:52.329
inch industrial couplers and then we moved to

00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:56.940
um a steel universal coupler and the main reason

00:57:56.940 --> 00:57:58.659
for going to that universal coupler was to get

00:57:58.659 --> 00:58:01.940
the push to connect feature of it um industrial

00:58:01.940 --> 00:58:04.019
couplers you have to pull that collar back like

00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:05.320
we talked about while you're putting the two

00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.639
fittings together universal you can just push

00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:12.719
the two fittings together um and so then we went

00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.500
to all aluminum couplers again to help with heat

00:58:15.500 --> 00:58:18.219
dissipation on our couplers and the heat spots

00:58:18.219 --> 00:58:22.239
that people are using and touching and now we

00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.599
are just now that's one of the things we are

00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:26.380
getting ready to launch at the same time as our

00:58:26.380 --> 00:58:30.219
hose kits the new hose kits is silicone injected

00:58:30.219 --> 00:58:34.579
couplers so the collars the locking collars on

00:58:34.579 --> 00:58:36.599
our couplers are all going to start coming out

00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:41.119
with silicone for heat insulation so now You

00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.159
don't have to worry about getting your hand burnt

00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.000
or wearing gloves or getting your t -shirt in

00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.340
order to disconnect any of our couplers anymore.

00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:50.920
We already made that move on our slide valves

00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:54.679
about six months ago. And now we're currently,

00:58:54.780 --> 00:58:57.500
we had to go through and make new molds for all

00:58:57.500 --> 00:58:59.699
of our couplers because we're also going to be

00:58:59.699 --> 00:59:01.639
launching Nitto couplers, which is something

00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:05.460
I have right here in front of me. So these couplers

00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:08.579
are that fitting that comes on the Nappa MaxiTrack

00:59:08.579 --> 00:59:13.800
compressor. um or um any of the just white labeled

00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:15.460
compressors that people are not putting their

00:59:15.460 --> 00:59:17.940
own spec call outs on so it's called a nitto

00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:21.960
q japanese nitto q fitting it's a standard fitting

00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:25.059
in asia and australian markets but in the united

00:59:25.059 --> 00:59:27.739
states this fitting doesn't exist you cannot

00:59:27.739 --> 00:59:29.679
get these fittings in the united states it's

00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:33.199
really fucking annoying um and so i finally got

00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:35.599
done with struggling trying to find these fittings

00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.719
and i'm making them myself and we're going to

00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:39.920
be supplying them in the united states But we

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:43.539
had to make a push -to -connect coupler to go

00:59:43.539 --> 00:59:47.679
with them. And then we put off that project because

00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:50.199
we started doing silicone injection on all the

00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:54.900
collars. So those are all coming in here end

00:59:54.900 --> 00:59:56.820
of October, beginning of November with the new

00:59:56.820 --> 00:59:59.920
hose kits. So we'll have all those Nitto Q fittings

00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:04.420
available for people if they want to have a direct

01:00:04.420 --> 01:00:07.719
adapter for their white -labeled compressors

01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:10.030
out there. Anything that's using that Nitto fitting.

01:00:10.869 --> 01:00:13.150
And then all of our couplers and slide valves

01:00:13.150 --> 01:00:15.130
are all now going to be silicone injected sleeves,

01:00:15.349 --> 01:00:17.530
which helps with heat insulation. People don't

01:00:17.530 --> 01:00:22.929
get burned anymore. Yep. Yeah, my wife has a

01:00:22.929 --> 01:00:25.409
nice, beautiful tattoo on one of her arms where

01:00:25.409 --> 01:00:27.869
she bumped up against my Viar compressor. Yeah,

01:00:27.869 --> 01:00:33.969
geez. Yep. So things get hot. Yeah, they do.

01:00:34.409 --> 01:00:40.340
Yeah. But. I think that is everything. Yeah.

01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.980
It's just, it's always fun to talk to you either

01:00:44.980 --> 01:00:48.219
online or in person. Well, I guess this is still

01:00:48.219 --> 01:00:50.719
online, but either way, it's always fun talking

01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:54.739
to you. So it was good having you on man. And

01:00:54.739 --> 01:01:00.820
we'll catch you guys later. See you later. Record.

01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:11.389
One, two, three, four. Five. Six. Seven. Eight.

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Nine. Ten. All right. Now, I probably should

01:01:16.309 --> 01:01:18.489
pull up the intro so I don't make it all messed

01:01:18.489 --> 01:01:22.789
up again. So usually on Wednesdays, I have some

01:01:22.789 --> 01:01:29.909
of this pulled up already. All right. Stupid

01:01:29.909 --> 01:01:40.750
RSS. I wanted to sign in, not sign up. Welcome

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01:01:45.670 --> 01:01:48.070
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to do with the outdoors. All right, today, I'd

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say it's special, but you hear from Tyler every

01:01:54.349 --> 01:01:56.750
week, or you should be. If not, go listen to

01:01:56.750 --> 01:02:00.590
Snail Trail. Yep. It's not worth it. Don't do

01:02:00.590 --> 01:02:06.139
it. Oh, it's totally worth it. We got Tyler from

01:02:06.139 --> 01:02:08.159
Morphlate over here. He's going to be answering

01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:12.719
some of our inflation deflation questions. Probably

01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.559
radios too, because we don't have Gavin or Jimmy

01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:21.880
to stop us. We're going to go wild. So yeah,

01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.679
I've been seeing a lot of people say that the

01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:28.019
all top compressor or the, what's that one that

01:02:28.019 --> 01:02:30.980
Gavin bought that I hate? Thor. Thor's lightning.

01:02:31.579 --> 01:02:34.260
Yep. But they're the same as your Morphlate compressor.

01:02:35.179 --> 01:02:40.579
I know that's not true, but we need you to need

01:02:40.579 --> 01:02:44.639
you to set the story straight here. Yeah. Um,

01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.960
so God, where do we begin? The, the all top is

01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:51.940
actually made at a different factory. Um, I know

01:02:51.940 --> 01:02:55.880
what factory it is. Um, I, the, the interesting

01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:59.849
thing about the all top is that the, uh learning

01:02:59.849 --> 01:03:03.789
algorithm that drives our automatic inflation

01:03:03.789 --> 01:03:06.969
and deflation in the psi pro compressor as well

01:03:06.969 --> 01:03:10.869
as our air hubs that algorithm um i had a direct

01:03:10.869 --> 01:03:14.150
hand in developing and figuring out you know

01:03:14.150 --> 01:03:17.050
how often do the pressure checks whether it needs

01:03:17.050 --> 01:03:20.630
to keep going or not how to figure out the airflow

01:03:20.630 --> 01:03:23.750
of whatever air system it's using so you can

01:03:23.750 --> 01:03:28.820
use uh shop air a power tank a twin arb a more

01:03:28.820 --> 01:03:31.619
flat and all top at a viair a harbor freight

01:03:31.619 --> 01:03:33.639
cigarette lighter compressor it doesn't care

01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:36.840
what air source you use it kind of learns as

01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:41.340
it goes so i had a direct hand in building that

01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:44.599
algorithm and and getting it nailed down to work

01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:48.739
appropriately and then the algorithm is getting

01:03:48.739 --> 01:03:52.659
patented so that learning algorithm is getting

01:03:52.659 --> 01:03:55.780
patented in China as well as in the United States.

01:03:56.179 --> 01:03:59.340
And so the all top compressor is made at a different

01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:03.840
factory and they reverse engineered the algorithm,

01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.199
quote unquote. And I haven't got my hands on

01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:08.239
one of their PSI Pro compressors, quote unquote,

01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:12.440
to see if they really nailed the algorithm or

01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:17.050
how it actually works because. as far as i know

01:04:17.050 --> 01:04:20.110
we're the first ones to develop that learning

01:04:20.110 --> 01:04:22.989
algorithm there's a couple other ways to do automatic

01:04:22.989 --> 01:04:27.230
inflation and from i like to call brute force

01:04:27.230 --> 01:04:31.289
hacking so you can use solenoids to open and

01:04:31.289 --> 01:04:33.630
close solenoids very rapidly essentially once

01:04:33.630 --> 01:04:36.190
every half second and every time the solenoid

01:04:36.190 --> 01:04:39.409
closes a pressure sensor takes a reading of the

01:04:39.409 --> 01:04:43.010
pressure in the system And if you're there at

01:04:43.010 --> 01:04:45.269
your target pressure, it stops. It doesn't reopen

01:04:45.269 --> 01:04:49.110
the solenoid. If it is not there yet, then it

01:04:49.110 --> 01:04:51.610
reopens the solenoid for half a second. Let's

01:04:51.610 --> 01:04:53.570
air in, close the solenoid, does another pressure

01:04:53.570 --> 01:04:58.110
check. So it does that very rapidly for a very

01:04:58.110 --> 01:05:01.210
long time. And the downside to that is it's really

01:05:01.210 --> 01:05:04.090
noisy because solenoids opening and closing every

01:05:04.090 --> 01:05:07.010
half a second for the length of your air uptime

01:05:07.010 --> 01:05:11.780
is very noisy. airflow time, time that the air

01:05:11.780 --> 01:05:13.780
is going into the tires is only half of what

01:05:13.780 --> 01:05:17.679
it could be. So your overall time doubles. So

01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:19.239
that's one way to do it. The other way to do

01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:22.539
it is to limit the valve in which the airflow

01:05:22.539 --> 01:05:25.340
goes through so that the valve bottlenecks your

01:05:25.340 --> 01:05:28.760
whole system so that it is the lowest airflow

01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:31.179
possible. That way you can run a mathematical

01:05:31.179 --> 01:05:36.760
formula off of that known airflow. Which is really,

01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:39.280
really slow. That's actually how the ARB links

01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:43.800
system works. And so it just, it takes a really

01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.199
long time. I mean, you're looking at 45 minutes,

01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:51.840
40 to 45 minutes to inflate and deflate. And

01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:55.320
by limiting that valve, you're also creating

01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:57.320
an intentional bottleneck in your air system,

01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:01.750
which means that. the compressor, if it puts

01:06:01.750 --> 01:06:04.530
out way more airflow than that bottleneck, you're

01:06:04.530 --> 01:06:07.190
just backlogging your compressor with pressure

01:06:07.190 --> 01:06:09.849
and creating a higher working pressure on the

01:06:09.849 --> 01:06:12.010
compressor, which generates a lot more heat,

01:06:12.170 --> 01:06:16.030
makes gaskets and seals fail, pulls more power

01:06:16.030 --> 01:06:18.750
from the motors, which puts stress on your wiring

01:06:18.750 --> 01:06:21.150
and all your electrical components on that circuit.

01:06:21.550 --> 01:06:25.489
So those are the two ways that inflation and

01:06:25.489 --> 01:06:28.740
automatic inflation has been done. historically

01:06:28.740 --> 01:06:31.780
and then we created that learning algorithm or

01:06:31.780 --> 01:06:34.000
we helped create that learning algorithm um so

01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.420
i don't know exactly how altop is doing it i

01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:38.219
don't know exactly what algorithm they're using

01:06:38.219 --> 01:06:42.920
um but they figured it out and um they are making

01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:47.380
a a better priced compressor a better price point

01:06:47.380 --> 01:06:52.199
compressor um but as far as i know they're still

01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:58.309
using the old gen 1 components so When we first

01:06:58.309 --> 01:07:01.010
brought compressors to the market for Morphlate,

01:07:01.190 --> 01:07:05.429
they were pretty much identical to the Nappa

01:07:05.429 --> 01:07:08.909
MaxiTrack, the very first version of Nappa MaxiTrack

01:07:08.909 --> 01:07:11.429
compressor. They're made at the exact same factory.

01:07:11.889 --> 01:07:15.469
And I'm honestly not sure who got to market first,

01:07:15.690 --> 01:07:20.530
us or Nappa. But what happened was that compressor

01:07:20.530 --> 01:07:24.769
was a white labeled model. So the factory owns

01:07:24.769 --> 01:07:28.449
the design for it. And it had no pressure cutoff

01:07:28.449 --> 01:07:32.349
switches. It had the thermal cutoff sensor was

01:07:32.349 --> 01:07:36.750
kind of iffy in it. It had relays instead of

01:07:36.750 --> 01:07:40.789
a board that helps control everything. And so

01:07:40.789 --> 01:07:42.389
what a lot of people ended up doing was they

01:07:42.389 --> 01:07:46.269
bought the Nappa compressor and changed a bunch

01:07:46.269 --> 01:07:48.670
of stuff on it. So they added the pressure cutoff

01:07:48.670 --> 01:07:50.849
switches and you have the Nappa MaxiTrack Facebook

01:07:50.849 --> 01:07:53.929
pages that come out for modifying those compressors.

01:07:54.389 --> 01:07:57.699
Dirt Lifestyle Nate. did an awesome video on

01:07:57.699 --> 01:08:01.199
modding some of those compressors. And so what

01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.219
I did was when we both released that compressor,

01:08:04.420 --> 01:08:07.260
Napa, obviously a much bigger company, they bought

01:08:07.260 --> 01:08:11.500
way, way more than I did. So we ran out of stock

01:08:11.500 --> 01:08:14.079
really quickly while they maintained the stock.

01:08:14.380 --> 01:08:17.460
So they kind of got credit for being first to

01:08:17.460 --> 01:08:19.739
market, quote unquote, with that design, that

01:08:19.739 --> 01:08:23.119
white labeled compressor. I realized as soon

01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:26.380
as we got the compressors that. They were decent,

01:08:26.579 --> 01:08:29.159
but there was a lot of upgrades that could be

01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:32.699
done to make them way better, including all those

01:08:32.699 --> 01:08:35.539
mods that people were doing to the Nappa MaxiTrack

01:08:35.539 --> 01:08:38.960
compressors. So I went back to the drawing board

01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:40.779
and I worked with the engineering team at the

01:08:40.779 --> 01:08:44.340
factory to implement a bunch of those changes.

01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:47.979
So the pressure cutoff switches, and we did an

01:08:47.979 --> 01:08:52.680
80 -120 instead of what is standard in a lot

01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:58.970
of compressors. 90 to 100 on and 150 off and

01:08:58.970 --> 01:09:02.489
so we decided that you know we're really focusing

01:09:02.489 --> 01:09:04.649
on the off -road space we want to make a product

01:09:04.649 --> 01:09:08.170
that works awesome for off -roading so we limited

01:09:08.170 --> 01:09:11.149
the pressure cutoff switch to turn off the compressor

01:09:11.149 --> 01:09:15.810
at 125 so that people are not inadvertently hooking

01:09:15.810 --> 01:09:19.550
up their compressors to their ARB lockers and

01:09:19.550 --> 01:09:22.149
immediately blowing out the seals in their lockers

01:09:22.819 --> 01:09:24.960
Which has always kind of fascinated me because

01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:27.560
that's what ARB sets their compressors to, 150

01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:32.180
cutoff. And they recommend running that straight

01:09:32.180 --> 01:09:35.260
into the locker solenoids for their lockers,

01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:39.319
which blows seals. Lockers are low pressure actuation

01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.500
things. So you don't want to hit them with more

01:09:42.500 --> 01:09:44.739
than really like 100 PSI. You're going more than

01:09:44.739 --> 01:09:47.260
100 PSI, you're risking blowing seals in your

01:09:47.260 --> 01:09:50.529
lockers. So we wanted to limit it pretty lower,

01:09:50.569 --> 01:09:52.430
but we wanted to also be able to do RV tires,

01:09:52.670 --> 01:09:56.729
which is 110 PSI. So we picked 125 as our cutoff.

01:09:57.689 --> 01:10:01.770
We added in a solid state board rather than a

01:10:01.770 --> 01:10:06.789
series of relays and then re -released that compressor.

01:10:07.010 --> 01:10:09.369
And that was our quote unquote, our gen one compressor.

01:10:10.310 --> 01:10:13.050
We did that one for about a year, year and a

01:10:13.050 --> 01:10:16.270
half before I started realizing that. It's a

01:10:16.270 --> 01:10:18.369
good compressor, but it gets hot. It generates

01:10:18.369 --> 01:10:24.189
a ton of airflow. So the name of the game with

01:10:24.189 --> 01:10:27.029
any compressor that is a piston -driven compressor,

01:10:27.229 --> 01:10:29.270
screw compressors are a little bit different,

01:10:29.390 --> 01:10:31.649
but piston -driven compressors, kind of like

01:10:31.649 --> 01:10:35.569
your vehicle, generate a lot of heat because

01:10:35.569 --> 01:10:39.029
you're compressing air and that generates heat,

01:10:39.250 --> 01:10:42.310
just a lot of heat. If you think about it, a

01:10:42.310 --> 01:10:46.510
diesel engine is able to ignite. fuel without

01:10:46.510 --> 01:10:49.010
any spark, any flame source at all because they're

01:10:49.010 --> 01:10:52.090
just compressing. That's how hot air gets under

01:10:52.090 --> 01:10:55.789
extreme compression. So with compressors, they

01:10:55.789 --> 01:10:57.409
generate a lot of heat and the name of the game

01:10:57.409 --> 01:10:59.869
is keeping them cool. The cooler you can keep

01:10:59.869 --> 01:11:02.489
a compressor, the longer it's going to last,

01:11:02.529 --> 01:11:05.149
the more efficient it's going to run, the longer

01:11:05.149 --> 01:11:08.550
duty cycles you can run it on, the more vehicles

01:11:08.550 --> 01:11:10.069
you can air up, the more tires you can air up,

01:11:10.090 --> 01:11:13.970
etc. So you can just use it for way more uses.

01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:16.619
the more you can improve the heat dissipation

01:11:16.619 --> 01:11:20.420
of the compressors. So we realized that about

01:11:20.420 --> 01:11:22.399
a year, year and a half into this compressor

01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:25.840
venture. And so I started figuring, you know,

01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:29.079
dissecting the entire compressor and seeing what

01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:32.720
components we could make out of different materials

01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:38.220
in the compressors in order to have really good

01:11:38.220 --> 01:11:41.960
heat dissipation, but also keeping prices reasonable.

01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:45.789
So like titanium. awesome heat dissipation material

01:11:45.789 --> 01:11:49.130
but it's super fucking expensive so you can't

01:11:49.130 --> 01:11:51.630
you can't make compressors out of titanium so

01:11:51.630 --> 01:11:53.050
we wanted to use something else we wanted to

01:11:53.050 --> 01:11:55.949
stick with aluminum aluminum dissipates heat

01:11:55.949 --> 01:11:59.189
great it's two and a half three times something

01:11:59.189 --> 01:12:02.010
like that better than steel on heat dissipation

01:12:02.010 --> 01:12:04.869
being able to draw heat away and dissipate it

01:12:04.869 --> 01:12:08.069
in open air and so we did a bunch of different

01:12:08.069 --> 01:12:10.930
things to the internals of the compressors in

01:12:10.930 --> 01:12:16.989
order to help manage and mitigate heat so the

01:12:16.989 --> 01:12:21.710
first thing that we did was um if you look at

01:12:21.710 --> 01:12:24.229
i'm showing you guys here on the camera this

01:12:24.229 --> 01:12:28.689
is a heat sink off of one of the gen 1 compressors

01:12:28.689 --> 01:12:32.390
yeah you guys can't tell this very well but this

01:12:32.390 --> 01:12:37.149
is actually a plastic heat sink so if you think

01:12:37.149 --> 01:12:40.640
it would work It doesn't work at all. Plastic

01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:45.819
insulates. It does not sink heat off. So if you

01:12:45.819 --> 01:12:49.000
look at our current heat sink, I don't know if

01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:50.479
I can do this side by side and hold the microphone.

01:12:51.140 --> 01:12:56.460
So you see how the plastic one has a lot more

01:12:56.460 --> 01:13:00.199
fins on it than the aluminum one? The aluminum

01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:06.539
one we designed and essentially... From everything

01:13:06.539 --> 01:13:09.000
that I've been able to research and compressors

01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:11.479
I've been able to buy that look like our compressors,

01:13:11.539 --> 01:13:16.359
if somebody is running this heat sink with a

01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:20.460
bunch of extra fins on it, chances are it's a

01:13:20.460 --> 01:13:23.039
plastic heat sink on those compressors out in

01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:26.319
the market right now. It's that Gen 1 white labeled

01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:28.560
compressor that the factory still sells to anybody

01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:31.460
that asks. You can call up the factory and say,

01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:34.119
hey. I want to make some compressors. I want

01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:37.359
a compressor. I just want it to be purple and

01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:40.579
have my logo on it. And that's white labeling,

01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:43.020
right? So they own the product and then they

01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:45.340
will put whatever color and logo that you want

01:13:45.340 --> 01:13:48.680
on it and sell it to you. And that's the version

01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:52.800
that this comes with is a plastic ABS heatsink,

01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:55.920
which just insulates your cylinders, retains

01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:59.399
heat, and slowly cooks your compressor to death,

01:13:59.420 --> 01:14:03.159
really. But one of the interesting things about

01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:06.079
plastic heat sinks is that they don't really

01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:08.619
get hot because they're insulating your cylinders.

01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:13.380
And so a lot of people will do temperature checks

01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:16.960
on these heat sinks from the compressors and

01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:18.960
be like, the compressors barely don't really

01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:22.479
run hot. You can put it back in the bag because

01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:25.100
the heat sinks and the components of the compressor

01:14:25.100 --> 01:14:29.449
are not hot to the touch. they're not going to

01:14:29.449 --> 01:14:31.789
melt the bag. So they think that the compressor

01:14:31.789 --> 01:14:35.850
then is running very cool. And in actuality,

01:14:35.850 --> 01:14:38.750
what's happening is it's just insulating and

01:14:38.750 --> 01:14:42.149
cooking your compressor's internals rather than

01:14:42.149 --> 01:14:44.430
letting that heat get to the exterior of the

01:14:44.430 --> 01:14:50.189
compressor and dissipate. So check your compressors.

01:14:50.210 --> 01:14:52.909
If you have one of these heat sinks with a ton

01:14:52.909 --> 01:14:56.409
of fins on it compared to one of these guys,

01:14:58.010 --> 01:15:00.430
chances are it's probably a plastic heat sink.

01:15:00.649 --> 01:15:04.989
So you don't want plastic heat sinks on things

01:15:04.989 --> 01:15:07.149
that get hot. So that was the first big thing

01:15:07.149 --> 01:15:08.649
we noticed. I was like, those are absolutely

01:15:08.649 --> 01:15:12.409
useless. You just can't run a compressor with

01:15:12.409 --> 01:15:15.029
plastic heat sinks. So the name of the game is

01:15:15.029 --> 01:15:17.170
keeping them cool and letting them dissipate

01:15:17.170 --> 01:15:19.750
heat. So the other next thing that we noticed

01:15:19.750 --> 01:15:23.170
on the heat sink itself, if you look, let's see

01:15:23.170 --> 01:15:26.289
if I can do this with one hand. if you look on

01:15:26.289 --> 01:15:29.430
this side i'm going to show you guys on the camera

01:15:29.430 --> 01:15:34.789
that i'll have to make sure to get pictures from

01:15:34.789 --> 01:15:37.050
you so we can put them in the show notes oh cool

01:15:37.050 --> 01:15:39.869
yeah so this heat sink this is the the metal

01:15:39.869 --> 01:15:42.289
cylinder and there is the the cylinder of the

01:15:42.289 --> 01:15:44.189
compressor you have a piston that goes up and

01:15:44.189 --> 01:15:47.229
down in here um it's typically oriented this

01:15:47.229 --> 01:15:50.590
way when it's running yep but That piston goes

01:15:50.590 --> 01:15:53.229
up and down the same way an engine piston does,

01:15:53.369 --> 01:15:55.689
and it creates air pressure through a series

01:15:55.689 --> 01:15:59.930
of open and input and output valves. So this

01:15:59.930 --> 01:16:02.369
is kind of like the side view, right? And if

01:16:02.369 --> 01:16:04.350
you look at the heat sink, it's only contacting

01:16:04.350 --> 01:16:09.789
that cylinder in four spots. 12, 6, 3, and 9,

01:16:09.890 --> 01:16:14.409
right? Yep, yep. So not only is it plastic, it's

01:16:14.409 --> 01:16:16.189
retaining heat, but you have a bunch of these

01:16:16.189 --> 01:16:20.079
air gaps in the corners here. where it's also

01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:22.680
retaining heat in there. The heat is not really

01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:26.500
going to the heat sink and dissipating to open

01:16:26.500 --> 01:16:30.800
air. So we completely redesigned the heat sink

01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:37.359
as well. Oh, that's much better. To be a perfect

01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:42.899
fit on the cylinder here. So you have a 360 degree

01:16:42.899 --> 01:16:47.949
contact of the cylinder to the heat sink. So

01:16:47.949 --> 01:16:50.470
that was the next big change we did to help with

01:16:50.470 --> 01:16:55.069
heat dissipation. And the cylinder here is aluminum.

01:16:55.289 --> 01:16:57.529
You guys can't tell in the video there, but it

01:16:57.529 --> 01:16:59.729
is very lightweight compared to this mild steel,

01:16:59.930 --> 01:17:05.250
carbon steel one. So having the aluminum cylinder

01:17:05.250 --> 01:17:08.470
as opposed to the carbon steel, you get two and

01:17:08.470 --> 01:17:11.529
a half, three times more better heat dissipation

01:17:11.529 --> 01:17:16.250
than the carbon steel one. So having the aluminum

01:17:16.250 --> 01:17:19.600
cylinder. um combined with an aluminum heat sink

01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.119
that has proper contact with the cylinder you're

01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:25.840
just able to help get that heat out of the compressor

01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.979
and dissipate it to open air way better than

01:17:28.979 --> 01:17:33.100
anything else out there that has any one of these

01:17:33.100 --> 01:17:37.239
three components set up this way a carbon steel

01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:39.880
cylinder a heat sink that only contacts in four

01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:44.520
spots or a plastic heat sink so That was the

01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:46.359
big thing we did on the internals to help with

01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:48.619
heat dissipation. We also changed the material

01:17:48.619 --> 01:17:52.800
of the piston rings that seal the piston to the

01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:56.479
internal of the cylinder so that the material

01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:59.380
is a much better wear resistance, abrasion resistance,

01:17:59.739 --> 01:18:02.260
and heat resistance. In essence, so it's just

01:18:02.260 --> 01:18:04.520
going to last you a lot longer before that piston

01:18:04.520 --> 01:18:07.699
ring ever looks at failing. And so far, ever

01:18:07.699 --> 01:18:10.079
since we did that, we have not ever had a single

01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:13.510
piston ring fail, which has been... pretty cool

01:18:13.510 --> 01:18:17.529
to see that that that design change worked um

01:18:17.529 --> 01:18:20.510
so along with those that's kind of the big internal

01:18:20.510 --> 01:18:23.670
stuff um the external stuff which you can tell

01:18:23.670 --> 01:18:26.869
right away when looking at our compressors compared

01:18:26.869 --> 01:18:29.529
to everybody else's um we have a stainless steel

01:18:29.529 --> 01:18:33.829
hose output hose on our compressor um we did

01:18:33.829 --> 01:18:38.789
that for a couple of reasons um one Every other

01:18:38.789 --> 01:18:41.189
compressor comes with pretty much a black rubber

01:18:41.189 --> 01:18:45.109
hose, and it's pretty much a pure rubber hose.

01:18:45.409 --> 01:18:49.289
So what happens to rubber over time? Dry ruts.

01:18:50.130 --> 01:18:54.270
Yeah, it breaks down. It gets hard. It hardens.

01:18:54.449 --> 01:18:58.850
It does not do well with a lot of heat cycles

01:18:58.850 --> 01:19:02.149
going through it. It's also very susceptible

01:19:02.149 --> 01:19:07.439
to UV degradation. Yep. And so over time, as

01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:10.979
those black rubber hoses kind of start disintegrating,

01:19:11.020 --> 01:19:15.100
degrading, getting really stiff and hard, they're

01:19:15.100 --> 01:19:17.079
just going to start cracking and failing on you,

01:19:17.140 --> 01:19:20.079
especially when they start getting stiff or hard

01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:22.300
disintegrating. And then you're kind of coiling

01:19:22.300 --> 01:19:24.640
them in these tight little packs to get back

01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:28.340
into the compressor bag and then get thrown around

01:19:28.340 --> 01:19:32.020
in the back of an off -road vehicle. Those hoses,

01:19:32.020 --> 01:19:36.220
we had... After about two years, we started seeing

01:19:36.220 --> 01:19:40.300
failures in those black rubber hoses. So that

01:19:40.300 --> 01:19:42.520
was number one. We wanted to increase the durability

01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:46.439
and the lifespan of these output hoses for people.

01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:50.960
Number two is that stainless steel hose acts

01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:56.079
as another heat sink to the compressor. So in

01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:57.659
between the two cylinders of the compressor,

01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:00.760
there's a... aluminum manifold that goes between

01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:03.279
them that hides underneath the black cover with

01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:08.300
the user controls and the control board. That

01:20:08.300 --> 01:20:11.119
stainless steel hose is the outlet of that manifold.

01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:14.060
So the aluminum manifold is now drawing heat

01:20:14.060 --> 01:20:17.840
off of the heat sinks as well. And then the stainless

01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:19.880
steel hose is drawing heat off of that aluminum

01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:23.439
manifold. That stainless steel hose drops 100

01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:27.899
degrees Fahrenheit from the manifold. to the

01:20:27.899 --> 01:20:31.020
coupler and so there's a couple of things going

01:20:31.020 --> 01:20:34.140
on that for the user when that happens one is

01:20:34.140 --> 01:20:36.460
you're getting really good heat dissipation off

01:20:36.460 --> 01:20:38.199
of the compressor so better heat dissipation

01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:42.779
longer lasting compressor number two is that

01:20:42.779 --> 01:20:46.399
coupler when you go to disconnect it after airing

01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:49.939
up your vehicle is not going to be quite as hot

01:20:49.939 --> 01:20:53.840
as every other coupler on the market that ends

01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:57.659
up right next to or on attached directly to a

01:20:57.659 --> 01:21:01.439
compressor. So compressors can output upwards

01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:06.420
of 200 to 250 degree temperatures. A twin ARB

01:21:06.420 --> 01:21:09.560
in an engine bade definitely hits that 250 degree

01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:12.460
temperature mark. Other ones that are more open

01:21:12.460 --> 01:21:15.819
air, not in an engine bay, they'll average around

01:21:15.819 --> 01:21:21.949
200 to 220 degrees Fahrenheit. Our couplers on

01:21:21.949 --> 01:21:25.210
that output of the hose don't really ever get

01:21:25.210 --> 01:21:29.909
above 150. So 150 ends up being pretty much the

01:21:29.909 --> 01:21:32.989
max. And they typically run around 120 to 150,

01:21:33.250 --> 01:21:35.069
which is still hot. You don't want to touch that

01:21:35.069 --> 01:21:38.510
directly with your hands. But it's way better

01:21:38.510 --> 01:21:41.229
than having a 250 degree temperature coupler

01:21:41.229 --> 01:21:44.189
that you're having to touch through gloves or

01:21:44.189 --> 01:21:47.449
with your shirt or something else. So that stainless

01:21:47.449 --> 01:21:51.029
steel hose. does actually quite a bit for the

01:21:51.029 --> 01:21:55.649
compressor as a heat sink and the user as your

01:21:55.649 --> 01:21:59.489
usability and then the last feature we added

01:21:59.489 --> 01:22:04.109
to the gen 2 compressors was our purge valve

01:22:04.109 --> 01:22:09.689
so we have a manual purge purge valve on the

01:22:09.689 --> 01:22:14.449
back side of all of our compressors what that

01:22:14.449 --> 01:22:17.829
does for you the reason why we originally put

01:22:17.829 --> 01:22:20.630
it in and installed it was so that we could release

01:22:20.630 --> 01:22:23.510
the pressure from the compressor so that you're

01:22:23.510 --> 01:22:28.789
not storing the compressor with 125 psi internally

01:22:28.789 --> 01:22:33.430
to the compressor. If you do that, you end up

01:22:33.430 --> 01:22:35.970
putting a lot of stress, 125 pounds per square

01:22:35.970 --> 01:22:39.829
inch on your piston rings, on your valves, on

01:22:39.829 --> 01:22:43.149
your seals, any sealant and thread, whatever's

01:22:43.149 --> 01:22:45.390
in the compressor all the way out to your coupler.

01:22:47.020 --> 01:22:49.800
So being able to purge that when you're done,

01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:55.659
that 125 PSI does go a long way to helping a

01:22:55.659 --> 01:22:59.619
compressor last longer as well. One thing we

01:22:59.619 --> 01:23:04.369
didn't realize. that it does that we quickly

01:23:04.369 --> 01:23:07.409
figured out because we do a lot of off -roading

01:23:07.409 --> 01:23:11.369
here at higher elevations in California. So we

01:23:11.369 --> 01:23:14.250
can go anywhere from 6 ,000 to about 8 ,000 feet,

01:23:14.310 --> 01:23:16.949
8 ,500 at the very top end in the Sierras here.

01:23:17.489 --> 01:23:22.550
And we realized that the purge valve allows us

01:23:22.550 --> 01:23:26.329
to calibrate all of our digital sensors and the

01:23:26.329 --> 01:23:30.140
digital gauges into all of our compressors. So

01:23:30.140 --> 01:23:32.140
if you can calibrate your compressor and your

01:23:32.140 --> 01:23:34.680
digital gauges, your digital sensors to atmospheric

01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:40.060
pressure, that gets you to be able to put precise

01:23:40.060 --> 01:23:42.779
and accurate pressures into your tires according

01:23:42.779 --> 01:23:46.319
to whatever you're looking to do. We never really

01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:48.600
marketed that, but it was just kind of like one

01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:50.979
of those things like, oh, sweet. That's awesome.

01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:54.880
We can do that. And then. About a year and a

01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:58.640
half, almost two years after we were running

01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:01.720
the Gen 2 compressor, which has all those upgrades

01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:04.699
we just talked about, some of our competitors

01:24:04.699 --> 01:24:09.100
started marketing that they're the first ones

01:24:09.100 --> 01:24:15.939
to do a digital calibration for elevation to

01:24:15.939 --> 01:24:19.220
their compressors. And I was like... um we've

01:24:19.220 --> 01:24:21.039
been doing that for like a year and a half two

01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:23.180
years before you guys started implementing those

01:24:23.180 --> 01:24:26.380
so we just haven't really been marketing it um

01:24:26.380 --> 01:24:29.539
so we were able to kind of call them on it and

01:24:29.539 --> 01:24:32.239
they're they're still they're still going with

01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:37.800
their marketing so um but yeah those are the

01:24:37.800 --> 01:24:40.960
main differences of the compressors it was unfortunate

01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:42.960
that when we went through kind of the redesign

01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:47.569
on the internals we didn't take the time to redesign

01:24:47.569 --> 01:24:52.350
the entire compressor because that is our biggest,

01:24:52.590 --> 01:24:54.550
I don't want to say downfall. It's our biggest

01:24:54.550 --> 01:24:57.689
struggle point. It looks to ever the average

01:24:57.689 --> 01:25:00.930
consumer, like we have the same compressor as

01:25:00.930 --> 01:25:04.489
everybody else on the market. And really when

01:25:04.489 --> 01:25:07.250
you start digging into it, we don't, we've done

01:25:07.250 --> 01:25:10.470
a lot of upgrades on the internals. We have contracts

01:25:10.470 --> 01:25:13.270
from the factories that state that they won't

01:25:13.270 --> 01:25:18.510
make. our our spec sheet for other companies

01:25:18.510 --> 01:25:21.350
and so far they've held held true to it you do

01:25:21.350 --> 01:25:24.810
see some of the features showing up on other

01:25:24.810 --> 01:25:27.569
compressors in the market um some compressors

01:25:27.569 --> 01:25:30.770
have picked up the aluminum heat sinks i haven't

01:25:30.770 --> 01:25:32.770
taken them apart to see if they're properly shaped

01:25:32.770 --> 01:25:38.609
to the cylinder yet i have oh yeah we built we

01:25:38.609 --> 01:25:42.449
built an all -top um it has the same you know

01:25:42.449 --> 01:25:45.079
it's got the metal manifold like that Okay. It

01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:48.819
does not go all the way around the cylinder like

01:25:48.819 --> 01:25:51.420
that. Yeah. It's only got the four contact points.

01:25:51.739 --> 01:25:55.739
Yep. The big thing I noticed when I was taking

01:25:55.739 --> 01:25:58.619
apart that all top, and you didn't touch on this,

01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:00.859
they've got these tiny little reeds that are

01:26:00.859 --> 01:26:04.680
the valves. And every single one of those little

01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:09.060
reeds was bending under normal operating system.

01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:13.119
I plumbed mine into a tank, but before I plumbed

01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:15.319
it into a tank, they were already bending, so

01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:17.460
we had to flip them over to re -strengthen them.

01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:25.100
But the all -top, we had three of them fail that

01:26:25.100 --> 01:26:28.039
we built. All three of them were kicking out

01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:34.539
the screws that hold those valves on. It would

01:26:34.539 --> 01:26:36.260
kick them out and send them through the piston.

01:26:36.460 --> 01:26:41.989
Oh, geez. Yeah. Wow. And that goes to quality

01:26:41.989 --> 01:26:48.010
control, right? Everybody should know that in

01:26:48.010 --> 01:26:50.770
dealing with China, their number one priority

01:26:50.770 --> 01:26:54.149
is just increasing their bottom line profit as

01:26:54.149 --> 01:26:56.770
much as possible. So if they can find ways to

01:26:56.770 --> 01:27:00.539
cut corners on quality, they will. if you don't

01:27:00.539 --> 01:27:03.880
have it specifically and explicitly marked out

01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:06.319
in your spec sheet as to what you want them building

01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:09.220
and how you want them building it um they will

01:27:09.220 --> 01:27:12.699
totally skip the corner if they can um and so

01:27:12.699 --> 01:27:17.100
like having a torque value for those screws or

01:27:17.100 --> 01:27:21.159
having a call out to use a thread sealant of

01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:24.600
some sort on those screws is something that we

01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:27.699
had to do because We had one of our factories

01:27:27.699 --> 01:27:30.800
before. Mess with those and we had the same issue.

01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:36.220
So the quality control is another thing that

01:27:36.220 --> 01:27:39.060
you really, really have to do in manufacturing.

01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:43.039
The Chinese manufacturers and factories, they

01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:45.420
will follow whatever you want, but you have to

01:27:45.420 --> 01:27:49.930
be very explicit about what you want. And so

01:27:49.930 --> 01:27:53.649
we've had to get our factory to set up a full

01:27:53.649 --> 01:27:57.630
separate quality control process for our compressors

01:27:57.630 --> 01:28:00.850
and our specs than what they do for everybody

01:28:00.850 --> 01:28:03.210
else. We have our own quality control line at

01:28:03.210 --> 01:28:06.229
the factory that we pay a little bit more for.

01:28:06.489 --> 01:28:09.310
But when we do that, it comes down to we don't

01:28:09.310 --> 01:28:12.250
have those simple little failures like having

01:28:12.250 --> 01:28:14.449
the reed valve screws fall out and chew up your

01:28:14.449 --> 01:28:18.689
cylinders. And we also not only that, but we

01:28:18.689 --> 01:28:22.470
also go through every single unit at our warehouse

01:28:22.470 --> 01:28:25.550
in Sacramento, California, before shipping it

01:28:25.550 --> 01:28:28.829
out to people. And so we'll catch tiny little

01:28:28.829 --> 01:28:31.970
things like blemishes, scratches on the unit.

01:28:32.350 --> 01:28:35.329
We'll catch a leaky coupler on the output hose.

01:28:36.310 --> 01:28:38.569
We'll catch, you know, one of the downsides of

01:28:38.569 --> 01:28:41.430
doing stainless steel braided hoses is the stainless

01:28:41.430 --> 01:28:44.939
steel. a braid will come out in certain parts

01:28:44.939 --> 01:28:47.439
and create little pokies so we catch those swap

01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:51.819
the hoses out for people um so the be doing a

01:28:51.819 --> 01:28:56.159
dual 100 quality control process has allowed

01:28:56.159 --> 01:29:00.539
us to really stand behind the compressors and

01:29:00.539 --> 01:29:04.520
start doing a lifetime warranty on all of our

01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:08.439
compressors we found that doing all those upgrades

01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:11.539
to the internals and really making the compressors

01:29:11.539 --> 01:29:14.979
dissipate heat better than anything else um that

01:29:14.979 --> 01:29:17.060
we weren't really getting warranties back anymore

01:29:17.060 --> 01:29:19.319
with the gen 2 compressors it was pretty cool

01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:22.979
our warranty rate is under half a percent um

01:29:22.979 --> 01:29:27.239
so we were like you know what i want to put my

01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:29.720
money where my mouth is and let's just put a

01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:33.579
lifetime warranty on it so doing everything that

01:29:33.579 --> 01:29:37.260
we do allows us to really stand behind everything

01:29:37.260 --> 01:29:40.140
with confidence that when somebody buys something

01:29:40.140 --> 01:29:44.000
from us, they shouldn't have issues with it.

01:29:44.060 --> 01:29:47.500
It should last them a very, very long time. Is

01:29:47.500 --> 01:29:50.600
it going to last forever? We're not sure yet.

01:29:50.619 --> 01:29:52.899
We haven't been in business for 10, 15, 20 years

01:29:52.899 --> 01:29:55.520
to be able to see how long these compressors

01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:58.600
are really going to last. But the Gen 2 compressors,

01:29:58.619 --> 01:30:01.779
we've been able to triple the duty cycle from

01:30:01.779 --> 01:30:05.510
the Gen 1s. So the Gen 1s running four tires

01:30:05.510 --> 01:30:08.829
at a time, you're looking at about 15 to 20 minutes

01:30:08.829 --> 01:30:13.390
on and 10 to 15 minutes off. So roughly a 50

01:30:13.390 --> 01:30:19.470
% duty cycle. And with how much air these compressors

01:30:19.470 --> 01:30:22.689
put out, 15 to 20 minutes on doing four tires

01:30:22.689 --> 01:30:24.989
at a time, that you're really looking at like

01:30:24.989 --> 01:30:28.449
three to four vehicles you can get aired up before

01:30:28.449 --> 01:30:31.899
you're hitting thermal cutoffs. Now... With our

01:30:31.899 --> 01:30:35.699
Gen 2 upgrades, we can run these things 45 minutes.

01:30:36.579 --> 01:30:40.100
Wow. Doing four tires at a time before they hit

01:30:40.100 --> 01:30:42.260
a thermal cutoff. And the thermal cutoff is the

01:30:42.260 --> 01:30:45.779
internal temperature around 230, 235 degree Fahrenheit.

01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:51.340
That's when the thermal cutoff kicks in. So we've,

01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:53.279
and we actually, when we were doing the duty

01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:55.600
cycle tests, we just called the test because

01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:58.039
we got to 45 minutes and it wasn't cutting off.

01:30:58.180 --> 01:31:00.789
So we're like. who's going to try and run this

01:31:00.789 --> 01:31:05.649
for 45 minutes straight airing up? I mean, you

01:31:05.649 --> 01:31:08.369
can get, what is that? Eight, nine vehicles done

01:31:08.369 --> 01:31:12.630
in 45 minutes, something like that. So we just

01:31:12.630 --> 01:31:14.590
called the test at 45 minutes and called it good

01:31:14.590 --> 01:31:18.729
there. But what we do every year is we love doing

01:31:18.729 --> 01:31:22.930
events where we get to set up kind of inflation

01:31:22.930 --> 01:31:27.979
and deflation stations. And so Jeepers Jamboree,

01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:29.899
we're lucky enough to be right next to the Rubicon

01:31:29.899 --> 01:31:33.159
up here in California. And we have good relationships

01:31:33.159 --> 01:31:35.619
with all the organizations that run the Rubicon,

01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:38.779
including Jeepers Jamboree. So at the end of

01:31:38.779 --> 01:31:43.840
Jeepers Jamboree on Sunday, when everybody's

01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:47.539
coming out of the trail, we go and set up inflation

01:31:47.539 --> 01:31:50.739
stations in Tahoma, the Tahoma staging area.

01:31:51.180 --> 01:31:56.199
And we air up. over 500 vehicles in a half a

01:31:56.199 --> 01:32:01.779
day using eight compressors. That's crazy. So,

01:32:01.779 --> 01:32:05.060
um, it's, it's just, it's, and every time we

01:32:05.060 --> 01:32:07.880
go and do that event, I'm always sitting back

01:32:07.880 --> 01:32:10.359
and wondering when we're going to have a compressor

01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:14.460
fail doing 500 vehicles and they never do. We've

01:32:14.460 --> 01:32:16.079
been using the same compressors, I think for

01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:19.779
three years in a row now, um, to do. that event

01:32:19.779 --> 01:32:23.359
plus more throughout the year. So it just goes

01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:25.899
to show that when you really look and do the

01:32:25.899 --> 01:32:29.880
research and build something that's specifically

01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:33.079
designed to handle what you're trying to do,

01:32:33.220 --> 01:32:38.239
you can make a pretty damn good product. And

01:32:38.239 --> 01:32:40.399
as long as you do the quality controls on your

01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:44.100
end to make sure that the customer gets what

01:32:44.100 --> 01:32:48.020
you made and what you intended, it's a pretty

01:32:48.020 --> 01:32:53.409
cool thing. Yeah, and now you've taken even farther.

01:32:53.529 --> 01:32:58.850
You've got the hub, which I'm starting to see

01:32:58.850 --> 01:33:04.069
clones of, by the way. Oh, yeah. Which I just

01:33:04.069 --> 01:33:07.970
sent one to the chat there on Jitsi. I think

01:33:07.970 --> 01:33:11.149
that's crazy because the hub is such a unique

01:33:11.149 --> 01:33:14.029
piece already to then copy it and make it worse

01:33:14.029 --> 01:33:15.989
and sell it. It's almost the same price, too.

01:33:16.590 --> 01:33:19.739
Yeah. Yours is what, like $250 or something like

01:33:19.739 --> 01:33:24.340
that? Yeah, $250. And the clones are right there

01:33:24.340 --> 01:33:28.300
at the $249 .99 mark. Yeah. So there's a funny

01:33:28.300 --> 01:33:31.840
story about that. I'm not going to name any brands.

01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:35.420
I'll let the consumers and the listeners try

01:33:35.420 --> 01:33:39.899
and figure out which ones they are. But when

01:33:39.899 --> 01:33:45.090
we were the first ones to... really be working

01:33:45.090 --> 01:33:49.130
on the air hub project with the factory um and

01:33:49.130 --> 01:33:50.890
this is the same factory that makes the same

01:33:50.890 --> 01:33:52.829
compressors for everybody else it's a really

01:33:52.829 --> 01:33:55.729
cool factory they do a bunch of solar and technology

01:33:55.729 --> 01:34:00.729
stuff as well as air compressors um and so they

01:34:00.729 --> 01:34:03.869
were able to combine technologies which is something

01:34:03.869 --> 01:34:06.640
that i've always been interested in And so we

01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:08.340
immediately hit it off, me and the owner of the

01:34:08.340 --> 01:34:11.819
factory, when we were trying to develop the PSI

01:34:11.819 --> 01:34:17.479
Pro algorithm. And then our idea was to create

01:34:17.479 --> 01:34:19.979
a deflation algorithm because deflation algorithms

01:34:19.979 --> 01:34:22.939
have never existed. And that's not really something

01:34:22.939 --> 01:34:27.279
that you can do really well other than by the

01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:29.319
brute force methods. Right. And it's not just

01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:31.840
as easy as reversing the inflation algorithm.

01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:36.000
So we worked with him after we'd got the inflation

01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:38.220
algorithm done and perfected. We'd worked with

01:34:38.220 --> 01:34:41.880
him on the deflation algorithm as well to work

01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:45.760
all of that into one unit. And then we were able

01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:49.420
to tell him, hey, this unit's pretty good. It

01:34:49.420 --> 01:34:52.319
needs to be done this way, though, in order to

01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:54.760
survive off -roading atmospheres, off -roading

01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:58.520
environments. It needs to be. No bigger than

01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:02.300
this. Our outputs and inputs have to be oriented

01:35:02.300 --> 01:35:06.340
in these configurations. You should make it out

01:35:06.340 --> 01:35:10.020
of this material. And so we went through all

01:35:10.020 --> 01:35:13.300
those steps with them. Went through two or three

01:35:13.300 --> 01:35:19.079
different alpha tests of samples before we landed

01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:24.169
on our air hub that we have today. Unfortunately,

01:35:24.169 --> 01:35:27.010
once we landed on that air hub, we sent it to

01:35:27.010 --> 01:35:31.710
production. And one of our competitors happened

01:35:31.710 --> 01:35:35.510
to be visiting the factory while our air hub

01:35:35.510 --> 01:35:40.409
was on production line. The owner and the engineering

01:35:40.409 --> 01:35:43.289
team of the factory grabbed one of our air hubs

01:35:43.289 --> 01:35:47.390
off of our production line, handed it to our

01:35:47.390 --> 01:35:50.079
competitor. and said this is what we're making

01:35:50.079 --> 01:35:52.680
for more fleet and this take this as an engineering

01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:56.939
sample we can't make it for you but we own the

01:35:56.939 --> 01:35:59.920
rights to the technology that drives what it

01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:03.520
does um and so we have our own design with our

01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:05.659
own spec sheet and everything they technically

01:36:05.659 --> 01:36:11.460
own the technology um and so yeah they they said

01:36:11.460 --> 01:36:13.720
here's what we can do we can build you your own

01:36:13.720 --> 01:36:16.880
air hub but this one's more flights take it home

01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:19.180
play around with it and test it see what it does

01:36:19.180 --> 01:36:23.220
and then we can make one for you our competitor

01:36:23.220 --> 01:36:27.159
immediately took that home and put it on instagram

01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:29.680
while we were going through our teaser campaign

01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:33.279
to launch the air hub like we were just about

01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:36.600
to start the teaser campaign of something new

01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:40.369
and big is coming um this thing that revolutionized

01:36:40.369 --> 01:36:42.770
the off -road industry, how people view airing

01:36:42.770 --> 01:36:45.810
up and airing down tires. But we hadn't given

01:36:45.810 --> 01:36:49.810
any pictures of what it was, any idea of size

01:36:49.810 --> 01:36:53.149
or what this thing was. And then all of a sudden

01:36:53.149 --> 01:36:56.630
our competitor shows up with our air hub on Instagram

01:36:56.630 --> 01:37:01.050
saying, look at, this is our, I almost called

01:37:01.050 --> 01:37:02.750
it by its name, what they call it. This is our

01:37:02.750 --> 01:37:06.220
air hub. um we designed this we came out with

01:37:06.220 --> 01:37:09.359
it we're launching it pre -orders up now and

01:37:09.359 --> 01:37:13.899
i was like are you fucking kidding me what the

01:37:13.899 --> 01:37:16.539
hell and so i'm starting to look into this and

01:37:16.539 --> 01:37:18.739
i got in touch with the factory i was like yo

01:37:18.739 --> 01:37:21.760
why do they have one of our air hubs like this

01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:24.279
is and they're they're saying that they that

01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:26.260
this is theirs that they made it he goes no no

01:37:26.260 --> 01:37:29.079
no no and he explained what happened during their

01:37:29.079 --> 01:37:31.439
visit and i was like well that's not what they're

01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:34.699
saying what they're telling everybody So somebody

01:37:34.699 --> 01:37:38.720
is wrong here. And if you are going against our

01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:41.039
contracts and selling our product to somebody

01:37:41.039 --> 01:37:44.420
else, that's going to be a very big deal. And

01:37:44.420 --> 01:37:47.220
I'm going to have to get lawyers involved and

01:37:47.220 --> 01:37:49.560
all this other stuff. And he goes, no, no, no.

01:37:49.619 --> 01:37:52.819
And he sent me the emails back and forth between

01:37:52.819 --> 01:37:55.819
him and my competitor stating what had happened

01:37:55.819 --> 01:37:59.380
and that it was stated this is an engineering

01:37:59.380 --> 01:38:01.470
sample, blah, blah. And I was like. First off,

01:38:01.489 --> 01:38:05.090
shame on you for giving him our product as an

01:38:05.090 --> 01:38:09.430
engineering sample. But B, shame on them for

01:38:09.430 --> 01:38:12.289
going against everything you said and trying

01:38:12.289 --> 01:38:14.890
to state that it's their thing. They had a picture

01:38:14.890 --> 01:38:17.489
of it on their website that they were collecting

01:38:17.489 --> 01:38:22.270
pre -orders from. And so I had to get my lawyers

01:38:22.270 --> 01:38:25.329
involved with them there. And that was even after

01:38:25.329 --> 01:38:29.130
we had a design patent submitted in the United

01:38:29.130 --> 01:38:32.920
States and processing. And so one of the big

01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:36.560
issues with patent law is that you can't go after

01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:40.520
somebody until the patent is confirmed, right?

01:38:40.579 --> 01:38:43.420
It's been approved. So just because it's a processing

01:38:43.420 --> 01:38:46.420
does not mean you get to go after somebody, which

01:38:46.420 --> 01:38:48.420
is unfortunate because the processing can take

01:38:48.420 --> 01:38:53.979
two to three years sometimes. And so we went

01:38:53.979 --> 01:38:56.159
after them and sent the lawyers. We sent them

01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:59.159
cease and desist letters. and said you guys need

01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:01.859
to send that back to us you can't have it and

01:39:01.859 --> 01:39:04.180
they didn't send it back to us what they ended

01:39:04.180 --> 01:39:07.000
up doing to get around the cease and desist letters

01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:12.760
was they built an aluminum box and put our air

01:39:12.760 --> 01:39:15.840
hub in the box and then continued taking it out

01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:18.960
to shows and events um and i have pictures of

01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:23.399
it all too um so yeah it's it was it was just

01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:27.220
one of those things where you start you start

01:39:27.220 --> 01:39:29.699
looking at and paying close attention to what

01:39:29.699 --> 01:39:31.380
companies are doing in the off -road industry.

01:39:31.560 --> 01:39:33.840
And you start seeing which ones are actually

01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:36.380
doing their research, actually doing the work

01:39:36.380 --> 01:39:41.399
to make stuff and be a part of the off -road

01:39:41.399 --> 01:39:43.560
community. And then you start seeing which ones

01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:45.800
are just there to make a quick profit and move

01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:52.399
on. And so, yeah, just all the listeners out

01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:54.260
there, keep your eyes open and pay attention

01:39:54.260 --> 01:39:59.500
to the specifics and details. yeah you're uh

01:39:59.500 --> 01:40:02.560
that's crazy man just the fact that they can

01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:04.640
just copy it like that and just do whatever with

01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:07.779
it yep yeah and it was it was one of those things

01:40:07.779 --> 01:40:11.539
where you know a couple years ago i had a another

01:40:11.539 --> 01:40:16.220
company um asked to purchase more flight acquire

01:40:16.220 --> 01:40:18.560
more flight and i was like i'm not ready to sell

01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:20.699
out but i'm going to draw this out and see where

01:40:20.699 --> 01:40:24.359
this goes um and their reasoning the way they

01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:27.609
approached it was hey, you need to let us buy

01:40:27.609 --> 01:40:31.590
you or you don't have any intellectual property,

01:40:31.869 --> 01:40:35.649
intellectual protection. So no patents, no trademarks,

01:40:35.789 --> 01:40:38.149
et cetera. So we're just going to come into your

01:40:38.149 --> 01:40:40.449
market, take it over and kick you out anyways.

01:40:41.109 --> 01:40:44.149
So let us buy you or else. And I kind of strung

01:40:44.149 --> 01:40:47.229
them along for about six months. And then finally

01:40:47.229 --> 01:40:49.170
came up with some excuse. Hey, this isn't fair

01:40:49.170 --> 01:40:51.050
to you guys. I'm sorry. We just got to cut this.

01:40:52.409 --> 01:40:55.819
But it taught me a lot that they were right.

01:40:55.899 --> 01:40:59.739
I didn't have patents. I was being naive in thinking

01:40:59.739 --> 01:41:04.979
that people would stick to, if they develop something,

01:41:05.239 --> 01:41:07.819
then they would want to be pushing it and selling

01:41:07.819 --> 01:41:11.140
it, not let's rip off other people's products

01:41:11.140 --> 01:41:16.420
and go to market with it to try and kick them

01:41:16.420 --> 01:41:19.460
out of the market and take over. I thought that

01:41:19.460 --> 01:41:20.979
the off -road industry was a little bit better

01:41:20.979 --> 01:41:22.840
than that. But there's definitely players in

01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:25.680
the off -road industry that behave that way.

01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:30.680
And I'm learning who those players are. So since

01:41:30.680 --> 01:41:33.199
then, I've put a lot of effort into learning

01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:36.300
patent law, trademark law, intellectual property

01:41:36.300 --> 01:41:39.220
protections, and putting those things in place

01:41:39.220 --> 01:41:42.939
in order to protect the future of this company,

01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:47.229
all the employees, jobs. all to ultimately all

01:41:47.229 --> 01:41:49.449
of our customers too because if we go out of

01:41:49.449 --> 01:41:52.390
business because we lost our spot in the market

01:41:52.390 --> 01:41:55.250
then customers don't get those forever warranties

01:41:55.250 --> 01:41:56.649
anymore those lifetime warranties they don't

01:41:56.649 --> 01:41:59.029
get the customer service they don't get to see

01:41:59.029 --> 01:42:00.909
their money that they spend at more flight go

01:42:00.909 --> 01:42:04.609
back into their trails nationwide um with our

01:42:04.609 --> 01:42:08.470
trail donation programs so um i had to learn

01:42:08.470 --> 01:42:11.779
that was that was a tough uh uh lesson to learn

01:42:11.779 --> 01:42:15.720
but um two years into that one um i think we've

01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:17.520
got a lot of really good things in place to really

01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:20.380
protect um the future of the company and the

01:42:20.380 --> 01:42:22.859
stuff that we do come out with design and r &d

01:42:22.859 --> 01:42:27.760
and a release to the public so which you've got

01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:30.420
new stuff coming that you should tease us or

01:42:30.420 --> 01:42:31.920
no you shouldn't tease us you should just tell

01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:35.699
us what it is we're getting ready um here i think

01:42:35.699 --> 01:42:38.319
it's going to be about two to three weeks. It

01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:40.220
really depends on the government shutdown right

01:42:40.220 --> 01:42:44.899
now. Customs and imports are just getting extremely

01:42:44.899 --> 01:42:47.720
backed up. They're running skeleton crews in

01:42:47.720 --> 01:42:52.100
customs and CBP. So things are just taking a

01:42:52.100 --> 01:42:55.119
really, really long time to get processed through

01:42:55.119 --> 01:43:01.539
customs. So I'm hoping... I could wait and release

01:43:01.539 --> 01:43:03.899
this if you want to just tell us what it is.

01:43:06.010 --> 01:43:07.770
um maybe i'll tell you off air once we're done

01:43:07.770 --> 01:43:10.850
recording but it is going to be new hose kits

01:43:10.850 --> 01:43:15.189
i will drop that one i will tell you guys what

01:43:15.189 --> 01:43:16.649
it is i'm not going to tell you exactly what

01:43:16.649 --> 01:43:19.850
we're doing to them yet um okay but it's going

01:43:19.850 --> 01:43:23.270
to be we're revamping all of our hose kits across

01:43:23.270 --> 01:43:28.930
the board we found a new way to make hoses which

01:43:28.930 --> 01:43:34.590
is pretty rad and works cool awesome for uh what

01:43:34.590 --> 01:43:37.229
we do in the off -road space and the environments

01:43:37.229 --> 01:43:40.289
we're in um with these four tire air hoses systems

01:43:40.289 --> 01:43:44.890
yeah that's that's really exciting yeah because

01:43:44.890 --> 01:43:47.109
you're because you use a different rubber than

01:43:47.109 --> 01:43:49.869
most people do or at least a different material

01:43:49.869 --> 01:43:53.649
i don't know it's exactly rubber yep um the the

01:43:53.649 --> 01:43:56.270
two that i've seen that are really good are your

01:43:56.270 --> 01:43:59.750
hoses are really good and then apex designs I

01:43:59.750 --> 01:44:01.289
don't know if you know who they are. Yep. Their

01:44:01.289 --> 01:44:04.909
hoses are really good as well. Yep. Yep. But

01:44:04.909 --> 01:44:07.689
yours, theirs are a little different and you

01:44:07.689 --> 01:44:10.029
got to cut them and make them fit to your size.

01:44:10.510 --> 01:44:12.890
They're for way inflation. I'm eh, whatever.

01:44:13.430 --> 01:44:15.449
But the rest of what you can do with their stuff

01:44:15.449 --> 01:44:18.430
is cool. Yours is just a one -stop shop. Everything

01:44:18.430 --> 01:44:21.760
works. it's set up you're like the apple of uh

01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:27.260
air inflation yeah no it's definitely um we make

01:44:27.260 --> 01:44:30.319
we we like to think of making an ecosystem of

01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:33.359
air inflation stuff right and deflation and so

01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:36.119
we don't we like to make it very modular so that

01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:39.220
people if they don't have 600 bucks to spend

01:44:39.220 --> 01:44:42.039
all at once you can just buy the hose kit and

01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:43.899
start off with the four tire hose kit running

01:44:43.899 --> 01:44:47.960
four tires off of any air compressor will make

01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:51.380
your air compressor be happier it distributes

01:44:51.380 --> 01:44:55.039
the airflow and makes it so that you're running

01:44:55.039 --> 01:44:57.239
your air compressors efficiently you're not getting

01:44:57.239 --> 01:45:00.439
backlogs of air pressure on your compressors

01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.800
which helps them run cooler makes them last longer

01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.100
you don't blow out gaskets and seals you don't

01:45:06.100 --> 01:45:09.840
pull more power and melt wiring harnesses so

01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:12.739
anytime you get the chance to run four times

01:45:12.739 --> 01:45:14.619
it does a lot of really cool things for your

01:45:14.619 --> 01:45:18.100
compressor And then once your compressor, if

01:45:18.100 --> 01:45:21.100
it ever does finally die, if it doesn't, then

01:45:21.100 --> 01:45:23.140
you can get an air hub. And the cool thing about

01:45:23.140 --> 01:45:24.979
the air hub is because of the way the learning

01:45:24.979 --> 01:45:28.760
algorithms work, they're universal. You can put

01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:31.000
them on any air source and it makes any air source

01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:34.199
into an automated air source. So you can take

01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:38.579
your twin ARB and hook up our hoses with the

01:45:38.579 --> 01:45:40.939
air hub. And now your twin ARB is a completely

01:45:40.939 --> 01:45:45.949
automated ARB. And then in the future, if you

01:45:45.949 --> 01:45:48.810
have an engine -mounted ARB, it's going to melt

01:45:48.810 --> 01:45:53.289
itself eventually. And so replace that with one

01:45:53.289 --> 01:45:54.949
of our compressors down the road. You'll get

01:45:54.949 --> 01:46:00.329
more airflow, 50 % less air inflation time, and

01:46:00.329 --> 01:46:03.590
it's all automated. So it's kind of like a stepping

01:46:03.590 --> 01:46:07.229
stone ecosystem where you can start with one

01:46:07.229 --> 01:46:09.409
thing, and then as time goes on, upgrade your

01:46:09.409 --> 01:46:12.359
other components as you go. do it all at once,

01:46:12.420 --> 01:46:14.520
you know, whatever you like to do. Um, and so

01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:17.380
we try and I try and make things universal as

01:46:17.380 --> 01:46:21.380
well as, um, modular, um, our two things that

01:46:21.380 --> 01:46:23.699
are design elements. When you look at all of

01:46:23.699 --> 01:46:28.039
our products, um, something that we do. So, yeah.

01:46:30.140 --> 01:46:33.640
So, uh, you remember back, this would be back

01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:36.140
before you started Morphlate. Everyone was converting

01:46:36.140 --> 01:46:39.180
their AC compressors into air compressors. Do

01:46:39.180 --> 01:46:43.470
you remember that? Oh yeah. Yep. How much, because

01:46:43.470 --> 01:46:45.569
I'm thinking about doing something like that,

01:46:45.609 --> 01:46:49.069
but how much better is an electric pump CFM compared

01:46:49.069 --> 01:46:52.409
to the engine -mounted AC compressors? Yeah,

01:46:52.449 --> 01:46:55.470
good question. So a belt -driven engine -mounted

01:46:55.470 --> 01:47:01.949
compressor pushes about 12, 12 .5 CFM, which

01:47:01.949 --> 01:47:04.649
is pretty good. It beats our 10 .6 compressors.

01:47:04.649 --> 01:47:08.869
Our 10 .6 are 10 .6 CFM. So the thing to think

01:47:08.869 --> 01:47:13.800
about, though. is that your four tires are bottlenecked

01:47:13.800 --> 01:47:17.260
at your valve stems. The valve stems are going

01:47:17.260 --> 01:47:22.640
to be the smallest part of an air system on tires,

01:47:22.819 --> 01:47:26.819
off -road tires at least. So those valve stems,

01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:29.359
there's a Schrader valve. So it's a tiny little

01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:33.300
valve that sits inside your valve stem. What

01:47:33.300 --> 01:47:36.659
actuates that valve is a spring -loaded pin.

01:47:38.520 --> 01:47:42.119
that goes through the orifice of the valve so

01:47:42.119 --> 01:47:47.140
that orifice is only about 1 16th of an inch

01:47:47.140 --> 01:47:51.140
inner inside diameter with a pin going down the

01:47:51.140 --> 01:47:53.979
center of it so like you're looking at less than

01:47:53.979 --> 01:47:57.779
1 16th of an inch of an air orifice to get air

01:47:57.779 --> 01:48:02.140
through that limits your airflow to about 2 cfm

01:48:02.140 --> 01:48:05.840
per tire It's a little less at lower pressures,

01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:07.779
a little higher at higher pressures. So around

01:48:07.779 --> 01:48:10.260
30, 20 to 30 PSI, which is where a lot of off

01:48:10.260 --> 01:48:13.979
-road tires sit at, you're looking at about 2

01:48:13.979 --> 01:48:18.760
CFM. So really your max capacity of inflating

01:48:18.760 --> 01:48:23.460
four tires at a time is about 8 CFM. Again, a

01:48:23.460 --> 01:48:25.359
little more higher pressures, a little less at

01:48:25.359 --> 01:48:29.619
lower pressures. So the other thing to think

01:48:29.619 --> 01:48:33.590
about is that compressors. As the working pressure

01:48:33.590 --> 01:48:40.689
increases, your airflow decreases. So our 10

01:48:40.689 --> 01:48:43.390
-6 compressor, I should just pull this up real

01:48:43.390 --> 01:48:46.109
quick so I'm giving you guys the accurate information,

01:48:46.250 --> 01:48:50.529
the data, because I'm a fun data nerd. I love

01:48:50.529 --> 01:48:56.909
numbers and analysis. And then along with that

01:48:56.909 --> 01:49:00.750
Schrader valve, most chucks only open it like

01:49:00.750 --> 01:49:04.270
50%. So that's even less. Yep. I mean, if you,

01:49:04.289 --> 01:49:06.710
like, Apex has their high flow chuck, which opens

01:49:06.710 --> 01:49:10.430
it, I think it's like 89, 90%. Yep. Up to, depending

01:49:10.430 --> 01:49:12.409
on the Schrader valve, they'll do up to like

01:49:12.409 --> 01:49:15.630
98, I think. Yep. I think, because with their

01:49:15.630 --> 01:49:19.890
RPV, I think it's 98 % open. Yep. But yeah, so

01:49:19.890 --> 01:49:21.750
even then, you're getting less airflow through

01:49:21.750 --> 01:49:23.539
there than what the Schrader valve. potentially

01:49:23.539 --> 01:49:26.659
could be doing anyway. Yeah, for sure. And, um,

01:49:26.739 --> 01:49:28.739
there's a couple of great videos. Apex has done

01:49:28.739 --> 01:49:30.739
a couple of good videos about valve core engagement.

01:49:31.100 --> 01:49:34.000
Um, we did some really good ones. They are in

01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:37.439
our, um, story highlights on our Instagram. So

01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:39.300
if you scroll right, go to our Instagram, look

01:49:39.300 --> 01:49:43.640
right above our, uh, wall or our post wall, um,

01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:46.479
are the highlight sections. Um, there's a section

01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:48.260
with technique. I think it's called technical

01:49:48.260 --> 01:49:55.210
data. Um, And in that is videos of how well our

01:49:55.210 --> 01:49:58.529
air chucks engage valve cores compared to every

01:49:58.529 --> 01:50:01.409
other air chuck on the market. And I think our

01:50:01.409 --> 01:50:05.810
air chucks beat Apex's air chucks on valve core

01:50:05.810 --> 01:50:07.949
engagement, which is pretty cool. We actually

01:50:07.949 --> 01:50:10.489
designed our air chucks. I went down a really

01:50:10.489 --> 01:50:12.970
deep rabbit hole one time on air chucks. Air

01:50:12.970 --> 01:50:15.189
chucks are notoriously really, really shitty

01:50:15.189 --> 01:50:18.270
in this world. I'm amazed as to how bad they

01:50:18.270 --> 01:50:23.239
are. for something that's so basic of an air

01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:28.140
valve opener. And so I went down a deep dive

01:50:28.140 --> 01:50:30.520
to improve, make the best air chuck that I could

01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:34.220
possibly find. And that was the ones we use today.

01:50:34.420 --> 01:50:38.520
And we specifically came to that and realized

01:50:38.520 --> 01:50:40.399
that we needed to make an air chuck ourselves

01:50:40.399 --> 01:50:45.760
because of Apex's rapid valves, the RPVs, because

01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:49.369
they are a very short valve stem. They're slightly

01:50:49.369 --> 01:50:52.850
shorter than what a valve stem should be. They

01:50:52.850 --> 01:50:56.630
should be a half an inch of threads and a neck

01:50:56.630 --> 01:51:00.109
in order to get air chucks to engage. And Apex

01:51:00.109 --> 01:51:04.369
is like 0 .45 of an inch long, which means they're

01:51:04.369 --> 01:51:06.409
really short. And a lot of air chucks have a

01:51:06.409 --> 01:51:09.989
lot of difficulties engaging onto RPVs. And so

01:51:09.989 --> 01:51:12.689
we specifically went to the drawing board and

01:51:12.689 --> 01:51:14.210
designed our own air chucks so that we could

01:51:14.210 --> 01:51:17.550
make something. that engaged and got full engagement

01:51:17.550 --> 01:51:22.689
to an rpv which is a lot of fun um that's i might

01:51:22.689 --> 01:51:25.170
have to look at yours because if yours are beating

01:51:25.170 --> 01:51:30.430
there i use rp we use rpvs both um yeah so if

01:51:30.430 --> 01:51:32.350
yours are beating them i might be interested

01:51:32.350 --> 01:51:34.510
yeah go see if you can find it see if you can

01:51:34.510 --> 01:51:36.250
find here i'll see if i can pull it up real quick

01:51:36.250 --> 01:51:44.199
uh instagram yeah i think like both of you guys

01:51:44.199 --> 01:51:47.960
make amazing stuff yeah i i the rpv is really

01:51:47.960 --> 01:51:50.560
what drew me to apex if you came out with a valve

01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:53.699
stem let me know that'd be really uh funny you

01:51:53.699 --> 01:51:55.159
mentioned that i don't know if we're going to

01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:58.239
come out with a valve stem per se but um we are

01:51:58.239 --> 01:52:04.439
starting to work with um colby valves to create

01:52:04.439 --> 01:52:08.479
our own valve stem replacement um so i've thought

01:52:08.479 --> 01:52:10.539
about coming out with something similar to an

01:52:10.539 --> 01:52:16.619
rpv but um apex has a valve stem um and then

01:52:16.619 --> 01:52:19.600
power tank has their monster valves right and

01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:21.680
both of them make an awesome product and i'm

01:52:21.680 --> 01:52:25.260
really not in business not here in this industry

01:52:25.260 --> 01:52:29.260
to copy products and rip stuff off if a company

01:52:29.260 --> 01:52:32.800
makes a good product and i'm like i don't really

01:52:32.800 --> 01:52:36.159
have any ideas to make it better or to make it

01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:38.380
different have a different feature to it or something

01:52:38.380 --> 01:52:42.539
um then I'm going to let that company make that

01:52:42.539 --> 01:52:45.439
product. I'm going to support them. So that RPV,

01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:48.420
awesome product. The only downside is that it's

01:52:48.420 --> 01:52:50.760
a little longer. And so if you do a lot of rock

01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:54.140
crawling, you have a higher potential to shear

01:52:54.140 --> 01:52:58.319
it off. Especially since they're not flexible.

01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:01.100
Exactly, right? I'm definitely, anybody who does

01:53:01.100 --> 01:53:03.800
off -roading, in my opinion, you should always

01:53:03.800 --> 01:53:06.470
have rubber valve stems. um just because it's

01:53:06.470 --> 01:53:07.989
gonna be a matter of time before you rip one

01:53:07.989 --> 01:53:10.350
out um and rubber will take that abuse a little

01:53:10.350 --> 01:53:14.710
bit better um but other other than that the rpvs

01:53:14.710 --> 01:53:17.449
are fantastic the downside to monster valves

01:53:17.449 --> 01:53:21.250
is that it's only the 3 8 diameter valve you

01:53:21.250 --> 01:53:25.050
don't have a 2 -in -1 combo for inflation as

01:53:25.050 --> 01:53:28.689
a regular valve stem the way rpv does so the

01:53:28.689 --> 01:53:33.710
rpv is let air out very quick But there's still

01:53:33.710 --> 01:53:36.810
a basic regular Schrader valve to let air in,

01:53:37.029 --> 01:53:39.529
which means they're still on the input side.

01:53:39.710 --> 01:53:44.750
They are limited to about 2 CFM. So there's that.

01:53:44.909 --> 01:53:49.430
But if you look at the Instagram, I put the Instagram

01:53:49.430 --> 01:53:52.390
post down in the chat. You can pull that up and

01:53:52.390 --> 01:53:53.609
take a look at it later if you're interested

01:53:53.609 --> 01:53:58.609
in how our air trucks compare to the Apex's air

01:53:58.609 --> 01:54:04.779
trucks. Okay. yeah i uh i bought their high when

01:54:04.779 --> 01:54:06.979
they first came out with the high flow and i

01:54:06.979 --> 01:54:08.840
had nothing but problems i still have issues

01:54:08.840 --> 01:54:14.439
oh no so yeah um they the other thing that they

01:54:14.439 --> 01:54:17.460
do is that they're a big thing with air chucks

01:54:17.460 --> 01:54:20.220
in my opinion that's a really bad thing to put

01:54:20.220 --> 01:54:25.699
in air chucks is um default engaged teeth that

01:54:25.699 --> 01:54:28.939
grab onto your valve stems um anytime you have

01:54:28.939 --> 01:54:33.550
a default engaged teeth that means that inevitably

01:54:33.550 --> 01:54:36.489
at some point you're going to be rubbing those

01:54:36.489 --> 01:54:39.569
teeth along your valve stem threads while you're

01:54:39.569 --> 01:54:41.670
putting on and taking off the air chuck which

01:54:41.670 --> 01:54:44.270
means there's planned obsolescence you're either

01:54:44.270 --> 01:54:46.810
wearing down the teeth or you're going to be

01:54:46.810 --> 01:54:48.970
wearing down your valve stem threads and it's

01:54:48.970 --> 01:54:50.829
typically going to be the valve stem threads

01:54:50.829 --> 01:54:53.689
because a lot of times the teeth in air chucks

01:54:53.689 --> 01:54:55.770
are going to be made out of tool steel which

01:54:55.770 --> 01:54:59.770
is a lot more hard of a material than brass or

01:54:59.770 --> 01:55:01.930
aluminum which is what your valve stem threads

01:55:01.930 --> 01:55:05.750
are typically made out of so by wearing out your

01:55:05.750 --> 01:55:08.689
valve stem threads you're gonna be end up replacing

01:55:08.689 --> 01:55:11.789
those rpvs you're gonna replace your valve stems

01:55:11.789 --> 01:55:13.829
on your vehicle and if you have tpms sensors

01:55:13.829 --> 01:55:18.390
that's a 70 to 70 to 80 dollar replacement um

01:55:18.390 --> 01:55:20.989
because you have to reprogram new tpms when you

01:55:20.989 --> 01:55:24.649
put them in as well so um one of the big things

01:55:24.649 --> 01:55:27.729
i wanted when i when i went down originally started

01:55:28.329 --> 01:55:33.069
the four tire hose kits back in 2016, 17, when

01:55:33.069 --> 01:55:35.689
I was trying to put these together, um, was I

01:55:35.689 --> 01:55:39.010
wanted default disengaged teeth so that there

01:55:39.010 --> 01:55:41.050
was no planned ops lessons. We're not ripping

01:55:41.050 --> 01:55:45.470
up people's valve stems. Um, and, uh, that's

01:55:45.470 --> 01:55:47.529
one of the things that we continue to this day

01:55:47.529 --> 01:55:49.869
with our proprietary air chucks are more fleet

01:55:49.869 --> 01:55:51.810
air chucks now with the locking collars. So,

01:55:51.829 --> 01:55:59.109
yeah, I love that. That's way better. All right,

01:55:59.130 --> 01:56:00.989
you got me convinced I'm buying some air chucks.

01:56:03.329 --> 01:56:05.850
They're awesome, man. They're full engagement

01:56:05.850 --> 01:56:08.470
of a valve core on pretty much 100%. I don't

01:56:08.470 --> 01:56:10.210
think you can get a valve core to open any further

01:56:10.210 --> 01:56:14.329
than our air chucks do. And default disengaged

01:56:14.329 --> 01:56:19.350
teeth. The locking collar actuates the teeth

01:56:19.350 --> 01:56:21.609
in the direction you're pushing on the air chuck

01:56:21.609 --> 01:56:24.289
or pulling it off, which is opposite of a lot

01:56:24.289 --> 01:56:26.409
of air couplers. A lot of air couplers, you're

01:56:26.409 --> 01:56:28.630
trying to... push the two fittings together while

01:56:28.630 --> 01:56:32.470
pulling a collar backwards. So it's two different

01:56:32.470 --> 01:56:38.390
actions trying to do this. The other really cool

01:56:38.390 --> 01:56:40.029
thing about our air chucks is if you look really

01:56:40.029 --> 01:56:43.569
closely at the teeth from the profile view of

01:56:43.569 --> 01:56:45.710
the air chuck, you'll see that the teeth are

01:56:45.710 --> 01:56:47.390
offset from each other. They're at different

01:56:47.390 --> 01:56:52.390
planes of elevation. Those offset teeth are the

01:56:52.390 --> 01:56:56.840
exact thread. pit not the thread pitch but yeah

01:56:56.840 --> 01:56:59.439
the thread pitch how many inches how many threads

01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:04.439
per inch um a valve stem thread is on the exterior

01:57:04.439 --> 01:57:07.760
of your valve stems so our teeth are perfectly

01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:14.680
designed to engage in the valleys of your valve

01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:18.180
stem threads um so that you don't accidentally

01:57:18.180 --> 01:57:22.100
get a tooth binding up on the peaks of your valve

01:57:22.100 --> 01:57:27.600
stem threads and destroying your threads so another

01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:29.979
little small feature that we never really talk

01:57:29.979 --> 01:57:31.859
about people and it's too small a feature to

01:57:31.859 --> 01:57:34.460
really notice but if you have some of our air

01:57:34.460 --> 01:57:36.380
chucks you can kind of turn them to the side

01:57:36.380 --> 01:57:38.659
so you can see where the teeth go into the air

01:57:38.659 --> 01:57:41.560
chuck body and then rotate the air chuck and

01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:44.960
you'll see that offset levels of the teeth that

01:57:44.960 --> 01:57:48.060
offset level is specifically designed so that

01:57:48.060 --> 01:57:50.500
the teeth go into the valleys of the threads

01:57:50.500 --> 01:57:55.939
all three teeth at the same time so got your

01:57:55.939 --> 01:58:04.220
attention but yeah i guess uh real quick because

01:58:04.220 --> 01:58:06.739
i just found out my mom's on her way um i got

01:58:06.739 --> 01:58:09.520
one more i got one more question okay and now

01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:14.680
i forgot it sidetrack on the air trucks yeah

01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:18.500
no um yeah man but your your air trucks are incredible

01:58:18.500 --> 01:58:20.100
if i remember that question i'll text you and

01:58:20.100 --> 01:58:22.119
ask you because now it's going to bug me for

01:58:22.119 --> 01:58:27.439
sure um Yeah, I was going to try and get into

01:58:27.439 --> 01:58:30.819
radio stuff, but we really. I knew you could

01:58:30.819 --> 01:58:34.939
talk, but you had so much knowledge for us. Once

01:58:34.939 --> 01:58:38.399
you start getting me going on engineering stuff

01:58:38.399 --> 01:58:41.319
and physics and R &D stuff that we've already

01:58:41.319 --> 01:58:44.359
done and released, dude, I can go forever. I

01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:48.770
love I love the little details. I love. perfecting

01:58:48.770 --> 01:58:51.569
something, right? Looking at something and constantly

01:58:51.569 --> 01:58:53.770
trying to figure out how to make it better, how

01:58:53.770 --> 01:58:57.130
to do it better, how to make it better for customers,

01:58:57.289 --> 01:58:59.649
how to make it longer lasting, et cetera. So

01:58:59.649 --> 01:59:03.369
I'm always nerding out and always reevaluating

01:59:03.369 --> 01:59:07.409
all of our products, such as our side valves.

01:59:07.470 --> 01:59:09.050
Like our side valves and our couplers right now

01:59:09.050 --> 01:59:12.590
are a great example. We started with a quarter

01:59:12.590 --> 01:59:15.789
inch industrial couplers, and then we moved to

01:59:16.569 --> 01:59:20.390
um a steel universal coupler and the main reason

01:59:20.390 --> 01:59:22.109
for going to that universal coupler was to get

01:59:22.109 --> 01:59:25.350
the push to connect feature of it um industrial

01:59:25.350 --> 01:59:27.470
couplers you have to pull that collar back like

01:59:27.470 --> 01:59:28.770
we talked about while you're putting the two

01:59:28.770 --> 01:59:32.090
fittings together universal you can just push

01:59:32.090 --> 01:59:36.149
the two fittings together um and so then we went

01:59:36.149 --> 01:59:38.949
to all aluminum couplers again to help with heat

01:59:38.949 --> 01:59:41.670
dissipation on our couplers and the heat spots

01:59:41.670 --> 01:59:45.670
that people are using and touching and now we

01:59:45.670 --> 01:59:48.050
are just now that's one of the things we are

01:59:48.050 --> 01:59:49.829
getting ready to launch at the same time as our

01:59:49.829 --> 01:59:53.670
hose kits the new hose kits is silicone injected

01:59:53.670 --> 01:59:58.010
couplers so the collars the locking collars on

01:59:58.010 --> 02:00:00.050
our couplers are all going to start coming out

02:00:00.050 --> 02:00:04.579
with silicone for heat insulation so now You

02:00:04.579 --> 02:00:06.619
don't have to worry about getting your hand burnt

02:00:06.619 --> 02:00:09.420
or wearing gloves or getting your t -shirt in

02:00:09.420 --> 02:00:11.800
order to disconnect any of our couplers anymore.

02:00:12.060 --> 02:00:14.399
We already made that move on our slide valves

02:00:14.399 --> 02:00:18.140
about six months ago. And now we're currently,

02:00:18.239 --> 02:00:20.960
we had to go through and make new molds for all

02:00:20.960 --> 02:00:23.140
of our couplers because we're also going to be

02:00:23.140 --> 02:00:25.079
launching Nitto couplers, which is something

02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:28.939
I have right here in front of me. So these couplers

02:00:28.939 --> 02:00:32.039
are that fitting that comes on the Nappa MaxiTrack

02:00:32.039 --> 02:00:37.260
compressor. um or um any of the just white labeled

02:00:37.260 --> 02:00:38.920
compressors that people are not putting their

02:00:38.920 --> 02:00:41.399
own spec call outs on so it's called a nitto

02:00:41.399 --> 02:00:45.420
q japanese nitto q fitting it's a standard fitting

02:00:45.420 --> 02:00:48.520
in asia and australian markets but in the united

02:00:48.520 --> 02:00:51.199
states this fitting doesn't exist you cannot

02:00:51.199 --> 02:00:53.140
get these fittings in the united states it's

02:00:53.140 --> 02:00:56.640
really fucking annoying um and so i finally got

02:00:56.640 --> 02:00:59.079
done with struggling trying to find these fittings

02:00:59.079 --> 02:01:01.199
and i'm making them myself and we're going to

02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:03.369
be supplying them in the united states But we

02:01:03.369 --> 02:01:07.189
had to make a push to connect coupler to go with

02:01:07.189 --> 02:01:11.130
them. And then we put off that project because

02:01:11.130 --> 02:01:13.649
we started doing silicone injection on all the

02:01:13.649 --> 02:01:18.350
collars. So those are all coming in here end

02:01:18.350 --> 02:01:20.270
of October, beginning of November with the new

02:01:20.270 --> 02:01:23.369
hose kits. So we'll have all those Nitto Q fittings

02:01:23.369 --> 02:01:27.869
available for people if they want to have a direct

02:01:27.869 --> 02:01:31.350
adapter for their white labeled compressors out

02:01:31.350 --> 02:01:33.479
there. Anything that's using that Nitto fitting.

02:01:34.319 --> 02:01:36.600
And then all of our couplers and slide valves

02:01:36.600 --> 02:01:38.579
are all now going to be silicone injected sleeves,

02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:40.960
which helps with heat insulation. People don't

02:01:40.960 --> 02:01:46.359
get burned anymore. Yep. Yeah, my wife has a

02:01:46.359 --> 02:01:48.840
nice, beautiful tattoo on one of her arms where

02:01:48.840 --> 02:01:51.319
she bumped up against my Viar compressor. Yeah,

02:01:51.319 --> 02:01:57.420
geez. Yep. So things get hot. Yeah, they do.

02:01:57.859 --> 02:02:03.739
Yeah. But. I think that is everything. Yeah.

02:02:05.739 --> 02:02:08.439
It's just, it's always fun to talk to you either

02:02:08.439 --> 02:02:11.680
online or in Bert. Well, I guess this is still

02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:14.159
online, but either way, it's always fun talking

02:02:14.159 --> 02:02:18.319
to you. So it was good having you on man. And

02:02:18.319 --> 02:02:21.319
we'll catch you guys later. Later.