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to do with the outdoors. The world has ended.
Everything is ending. Everything. Nothing exists.
Everyone is dead. How are you surviving? Well,
everyone's dead, so we're not. You know, we need
some more content. Yeah, we need some more content.
I find that funny. Because I found three different
meme videos talking about the rapture happening.
Oh, yeah, the rapture happened. I forgot. I hope
you guys had fun getting raptured. I'm currently
doing this from heaven. That makes a lot of us.
Everyone turned into zombies. You're not a zombie.
How are you surviving? Getting on my knees. For
the zombies? Yeah, tiring them out one at a time.
Oh, God. How many dicks are going to fall off
in your face? If I do it right, all of them.
Oh, God. I mean, doesn't that kind of stop it
from happening? It's not like I have to pick
them up off the floor. Come on. We're not monsters
here. We're not doing five -second rule. So,
no. let's say the world the zombies have happened
right let's start with vehicles what are you
going to do with the vehicle are you keeping
your current vehicle would you move on to something
else i guess i would keep my current vehicle
long as it can last and not degrade fast on me
from dealing with stuff yeah i would i would
keep the fj it's already pretty much outfitted
uh you know I can kind of pull into the woods
in the middle of nowhere, camp out of it, live
out of it. And at that point, a rooftop tent
is a necessity as far as having a place to sleep.
I would say a rooftop tent is literally killing
yourself. I don't think so. Wait, what zombies
are we going by? Because, like, DayZ zombies,
like, we're all fucked. But, like, I always think
of the Walking Dead zombies and they can't climb
on top of cars. Yeah, they can. I don't know.
Every walking dead zombie I've ever seen are
just like on the side of police cars. They climb.
Yeah, but imagine if there's a swarm. Now you've
got them climbing on each other into your car.
You're going to rip right through the tent. I
will hear them before the swarm gets there. And
then you're going to get out, put your tent down,
and get in the truck to leave? No, rooftop tent
is literal suicide. I'm mopping them, motherfuckers.
And then I'm getting in my truck and running.
But I also have an elevated. I have the higher
ground. I have the higher ground. I will just,
I'll mink him. I'll have a sword. I'll have something
physical so I'm not wasting rounds and not drawing
attention. A spear is my go -to. I will have
a nice long spear that will go where my shovel
attachment was. It'll just, you know, mount right
to the side of the fucking truck. And, yep, I'll
just sit there and just stick them in the head.
Yeah, so I'm ditching the 4Runner. I got to think,
like, Alex is going to say, like, a Camry. No.
Though, though, like a 2014 Camry, it's new enough
it doesn't have issues as often. It gets decent
fuel mileage so you can go longer on a tank.
And. Parts for them are literally on every block.
Hands down, best choice. But no, it's not. I
think, I'm sorry, before I lose my thought, though,
let me say this. I would take any SUV, because
of storage, that has a sunroof. So I have an
escape, just in case I crash, something happens,
I have a way to get out. Don't smile like you
don't think I'm big. Like, I know I'm big. If
we're surviving, I'd be able to fit through one
of those. I'd lose the weight. That's not why
I'm smiling. I'm just thinking you're on the
rooftop, too. You're not going to be able to
get through the sunroof with that. Well, that's
why I said I'm recanting. I'm just thinking you're
missing the low -hanging fruit here. Because,
I'm sorry, but Grayling isn't that far, and there
are some very nice Humvees up there that I know
for a fact. Will run for a very long time. Might
even have a gun mounted to the roof. I don't
know. Maybe I'll just get an electric vehicle.
And Gavin's dead. I don't know. So, like, in
all honesty, zombie apocalypse. Yeah, but you
can mainly pump gas. The power grid can go down,
too, and then you're definitely screwed. Right.
So you got an electric vehicle, and, like, we...
When moving, the electric vehicle is probably
the better choice because it makes virtually
no sound except for tires. Yeah. But you're not
going to have anywhere to charge that motherfucker.
You're going to have to run a generator. What
if I used and accrued, like let's say I just
pick a Rivian and let's put this into like I
have a home base or the back of the Rivian, the
box of it is filled with solar panels that I
could pull out. It won't work. Why not? I mean,
it'd be like a trickle charge, effectively. Yeah,
so the original Tesla had solar panels, and they
ended up ditching them because in four or five
days, they couldn't even get a mile off of a
solar panel charge. Solar panels are the least
efficient way to make electricity. Although I
do think a motorcycle would probably be the best
overall. It would really stretch things out.
You just really lose that protection, though.
Maybe a side -by -side? With armor? No, I really...
Because it can go anywhere off -road. Something
like a Humvee, maybe a little bigger, maybe go
up to, like, I don't know, an MRAP. Aren't those
notoriously, like, unreliable, though, Hummers?
Humvees? Yeah. No. No, they just are not creature
comfort at all. Well, I've always heard from...
They get beat the snot out of. Right, I feel
like I've even heard from you, like, they're
not... They're not reliable. People are always
fixing them. Maybe that's because they're not
maintained, but you fuck up your Hummer tire,
you have to go back to base. The problem is if
you have the smallest issue with a Humvee, it
gets redlined and has to be fixed. So let's say
it's got a super minor power steering leak. that
Humvee is now redlined and has to go and get
fixed because they're overly maintained. So the
smallest little problems. I've seen Humvees get
deadlined because there was a small piece of
fiberglass cracked off the hood. If I'm going
off of my family's not alive anymore because
they're weak and slow, I made them slower than
me so that I could get away. If I was going off
of that, I would probably just transfer vehicles.
Honestly, I think I'd pack light enough because
I don't have to maybe take a couple pack -out
boxes and then transfer the pack -out boxes to
the new vehicle and then just keep going and
then transfer as I do. I would literally aim
for a Humvee and just use that to go north because
zombies freeze in the snow because they don't
create body heat. If you can get somewhere like
Mackinac Island, my thought process here. Benefits
to Mackinac Island, once you clean off the island,
because obviously there's going to be zombies
on the island. Hopefully the apocalypse hits
in wintertime when there's less zombies on the
island. Do they, though? Like in the winter,
they still had zombies. Like in Walking Dead.
Yeah, but it was pretty unrealistic. Almost every
other depiction of zombies has them freezing
in the cold. I guess it really depends, because
if it's more of a rabies of the brain, they can
still produce body heat. I mean, if we're thinking
the next COVID vaccine that came out was the
one that did it, you know what I mean? I mean,
The Walking Dead itself is pretty unbelievable,
but an advanced rabies, which would be scarier.
my survivability would decrease quite a bit.
But then they'd be able to run over the ice to
the island. Not that they'd be focused on that.
Advanced rabies would put you more in the category
of the movie The Crazies and less in the category
of zombies. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's... I don't
know. Because at the same time, when you have
brain rot and bone decay and stuff like that...
Essentially, you could just wait that out as
well. The longer you wait, the longer you stay
secluded away from everything, the better your
chances of them just dying off. Yep. So something
with a lot of acreage, like a UP to me is not
population dense and is close enough. I think
my main issue with doing an island was supply.
Like, you could do deer, absolutely. That's why
Mackinac Island's such a good choice, because
it's only a mile from mainland. So you get up
there, you live off what's on the island already,
and then winter comes, you go on mainland when
all the zombies are frozen, and you collect supplies
and then come back. Yes, if zombies freeze in
the winter, that's a major game changer. So almost...
Almost every historical depiction of zombies
before The Walking Dead depicted them freezing.
The book, World War Z, not the movie because
the movie's fucking hot fucking garbage. The
movie's scary. The movie's fucking stupid, dude.
It's not scary. It's not funny. It's just bad.
It's scary from the aspect that if there were
a zombie. uh apocalypse of those type that would
be scary because they are fucking fast they feel
no pain they i mean it would not be hard to get
overwhelmed you would not be able to outrun them
because they have no um you know sense of pain
or tired so like that's what so scare the fuck
out of me which is true in the book so the movie
was very loosely based off the book the original
manuscript for the movie which when they were
coming out with the movie i was really excited
about was almost ripped directly out of the book
because the book is written in a way where it
could itself be the script for the movie yeah
um right Because it's an interviewer going around
and interviewing people that survived the zombie
war. So you could do... All the parts with the
interviewer could be straight out of the book.
Because it's all back and forth conversation.
There's very little narration. So you could have
that pulled directly out of it. And then when
he starts talking to someone, have him do flashbacks
to depict the zombie part. It would have been
an amazing movie. But Brad Pitt didn't like it
because it didn't have enough Brad Pitt, so he
fired the guy and hired someone else to write
it. That's fair. Yeah. So, okay, so we're going
off of zombies freeze in the winter. Do they
awaken in the summer? Do they thaw out like bears?
Yep. Okay. Yep, because they don't actually,
they're not actually alive, so they don't die
in the cold. Yeah. Well, then can't they just
go underwater? And like walk to the island. That
happens in the movie as well. So, or in the book,
not the movie, I'm sorry. And that is a problem.
But once they get underwater, the pressure is
too much for them to ascend. Assuming that they,
that the, I don't know, like they would just
walk, wouldn't they? Yeah, but after a while,
the pressure gets to be too much and they can't
ascend the bank on the other side. Then you've
got to send people down with old -school diving
equipment, the old copper stuff, to start cleaning
out the ocean floors. That was in the book, too.
Yeah, because wouldn't they just poison the ocean
by being in it? Yeah, so you've got to clean
it out, yep. Okay, all right, so we've established
the type of zombie, I guess. They freeze during
winter. They would have difficulty traversing
large depths of water. So an island isn't horrible.
I just, like, when I think of Mackinac Island,
and I know we said that, like, if we are completely
the only survivors and it's not just, because,
like, an island like that would naturally be
secluded from that kind of thing. They would
stop running boats. Not Mackinac, though, because
there's so many visitors. So by the time that
the virus has been found, I guarantee you it
would have spread. Then wouldn't Drummond Island
be a better option? Okay. Isle Royale would be
nice, too. The reason that Mackinac is the better
option is that Mackinac Island has a fort with
lookout towers on it. So in the winter or...
not necessarily winter, but warmer winter days
when zombies do thaw out, you have the ability
to look farther across the lakes and see if there's
anything coming. And it gives you the ability
to keep lookout for other people coming across
the water. True, true. And there's cannons. That
may or may not work. I mean, I was going to say,
what stops a cannon from not working? No fuse?
Like, you just load it full of silverware? I
don't know. Structurally. You never know until
you find out, I guess. At least one. At least
one. I know they do it in Michelin Mackinac,
too, but... Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, I guess
an island would be cool. I think if there was
a chance... Because to me, with COVID, once that
finally got out, I think there would be a higher
chance of survivors on islands like that that
could just shut the boats down. That was my aspect.
It was like, you come to that island, dude, you're
already outnumbered by survivors. So that was
kind of my... But yeah, I mean, if you are literally
the only ones alive by some weird grace, then...
Yeah, Island would be great for that. Island
already has an established, you know, plenty
of horses, plenty of buildings and food for,
I think, a summer. Maybe medicine. I'm sure they
have a pharmacy, stuff like that. I think my
original thought was to find a large amount of
acreage in the UP. backed up against national
forest and you know start out there that being
extremely spread out i could you know the the
roads and the population density is really low
anyway so part of the issue with being on mainland
even the up is there are larger cities in the
up yeah and when those zombies run out of food
in those locations they're going to start migrating
to where there's food and that means that those
larger cities will have mass migration going
right past you. Well, would they? Because technically,
Wisconsin would be a whole lot easier to get
to. And the highest... Where are you going in
the UP? Because you've got Sault Ste. Marie sitting
on the East Coast. That's pretty sketch, dude.
I don't know. I don't know exactly where. Maybe
Keweenaw? I mean, Keweenaw wouldn't be a terrible
option. Because that was what we kind of talked
about. No, and you have the buffer of the bridge.
Exactly. And all you have to do is raise that
up. Take a boat across. It wouldn't be a big
boat. And that is a canal, so it would be too
deep for a zombie to get through at most points.
Most. Not all. Keweenaw wouldn't be a terrible
option. most of the up though i'd be pretty if
you're trying to hunker down and stay in one
spot long term i'd be pretty sketched out by
it yeah i mean island island would be nice it's
i'm thinking more of like the boating across
and stuff but jet boats exist of course then
comes that option why not just go get a boat
uh you live on a boat and you can hit mainland's
up come back out on the boat that's true There
are some large boats out there. Zombie apocalypse
happens. How many tankers do we have here in
the state of Michigan? Yeah, that's true. I'm
not even talking necessarily ocean. Like, you
could live just in Lake Michigan probably your
entire lifetime sitting on one of them tankers.
Honestly, if you dock a freighter out about 30
feet off of main, you know, not 30 feet off of
main shore, because you know what I mean, but,
like, if you dock it out 50. however long it
takes so that it can float freely anchor it down
and have a boat to go back and forth you can
use that whole entire freighter yeah exactly
yeah then just have a vehicle or something at
the drop point that you can use to go back and
forth a boat there or just find one yeah exactly
i mean for the first what probably five years
you're gonna have no issue just finding a vehicle
and taking it yeah yeah Then after that five
years, fuel starts to be gone. Parts have started
to dry rot out. Then we're using bicycles. I
don't know. I'd be like the homesteader in me
thinks that a horse is the way to go. But they
spook. The equine or the cowboy in me, let's
say, tells me that I know a horse isn't the option.
Yeah. I mean, they spook easy, too. Not just
because they spook, but now you've got a whole
other life that you have to take care of and
maintain. Well, grass isn't going to be super
hard to find, and I know there's a lot of medication
and veterinary stuff you have to look into as
far as keeping them alive. I'm not worried about
medication or grass. I'm worried about the fact
that if a zombie bites that horse, that horse
is going down, and now you're down with the horse.
Yeah, that is something I have thought about,
but I don't know. With horses, you'd have to
have the ability to farrier their feet, and it'd
have to be you, because you're not going to pay
a farrier to come to this zombie apocalypse.
Horses just wouldn't work long -term. Maybe the
first couple of weeks you'd be okay with a horse,
or first couple of months. I don't know. But
as soon as their feet get too long, you're not
going to be able to ride them, because they're
just going to go lame. While they naturally had
to have been able to treat themselves, I mean,
there are wild horses. Have you ever seen the
hooves of a wild horse? You can't ride a wild
horse because their hooves are so bad. They can
only handle their own weight. No, I haven't seen
a wild horse, but I'm just trying to think of,
like, I thought that people said that they naturally
wore down their hooves. They do out west, kind
of. I would assume not to the extent of having
a rider on their back, though. I wonder how the
natives did it, then. They farriered them. They
cut their feet. Yeah, like with what? They just
sit there with a rock? Whatever tools they had.
You gotta think, we brought horses over here.
Horses aren't natural to the United States. No,
well, the Spain did. Either way. But what I'm
saying is, like, Spain did. They had plenty of
time. Like, Native Americans had them for a long
enough time before they had iron. I mean, they
didn't have iron tools for ferrying. There was
a gap between Spain invading and us coming. I
don't think the Indians. Natives had iron tools
for a long time. They were smelting their own
iron? They were just trading them around. I mean,
there were some that smelted them, too. I don't
know. That's what I'm saying. We didn't bring
iron tools to Native Americans. And they already
had them? Well, yeah, because the Aztecs had
them. The Mayans had them. So they would trade
up the coast. The actual knowledge had been traded.
I mean, I'm not saying they're as good as the
iron tools we had. But even so, you can cut a
horse's hoof with a sharp rock. I'm thinking
of it like there's a gap between where the Spain
came and invaded. There's obviously going to
be some kind of separation between the Great
Plains natives and the natives from South Mexico
area. But as far as historically speaking, I
haven't seen dug -up evidence of iron tools.
Like, if they would do that, why didn't they
make axes iron or their small arrowheads iron?
Maybe they weren't. Well, some of those were
iron. Some, yeah, later. The other thing is the
iron tools corrode and disappear faster than
stone tools. So even if they did, a lot of that's
been rusted away and disintegrated by now. I
don't know. But I looked it up. Just for you.
Seems weird. Because when I took, like, I've
taken and I've done flintknapping with Native
Americans. I used to do a class, like I used
to teach a class on the reserve up in Traverse
City. And historically speaking, they never mentioned.
having metal tools for this kind of stuff. I
could imagine them chipping away at it at a rock.
I mean, if you soak a hoof in water, it's softer.
It's just a curiosity. I'm not saying anyone's
right or wrong here. It's just one of those things
where, like, my whole perception would be changed
if they somehow had access to iron tools but
did not change any of their weaponry to iron.
I was going to say, that might be regional beasts,
too. regional base as well because some of them
probably didn't get as much as the shoreline
from like the sea lines or the shores so pre
-european uh iron generally came from meteorite
iron um there are sources in new york uh northern
michigan and parts of illinois um They also would
get them from Asian shipwrecks along the Pacific
coast, which obviously not ours. Yeah. And they
also would trade coming down from the Bering
Strait. Yeah. They did not develop the technology,
but they did have iron tools that they had traded.
Yeah. So that's very much regional based. Yeah,
regional. By the 19th century. The West, mostly.
Yeah. By the 19th century, the Navajo, which
is who I've been thinking about this whole time,
had incorporated techniques that they got from
the Mexican techniques and Spanish techniques.
Yeah. So it is more on region, like your central
who didn't have trade, or at least they didn't
have a coastal trade. Right. might not have had
that kind of technology. So Michigan probably
would have not seen any of it for the most part.
Well, they did have natural iron deposits in
Michigan too, so I wonder if... Here's a really
fun tidbit though. Native Americans were the
first to mine and work copper in Lake Superior
and Keweenaw Peninsula. Between 5000 BC and something
else. I can believe that because there's a major...
I can't think of the one up there, but there's
like a god that was based off the copper. And
they used copper to produce tools such as arrowheads,
knives, farrier equipment. I don't know. That's
not in there. I'm just saying maybe. So, I mean,
they had ways. They had to farrier the horse's
feet because a horse doesn't naturally. keep
its feet in a spot where it can be ridden or
worked. They just keep them in a spot where they're
comfortable. So also it says they walked around
freely with shorter or longer hooves, depending
on how far they traveled in a day. So with normal
travel and normal riding, long riding, they would
naturally wear down their hooves. For long distance,
they would have multiple horses to allow actual
time on the horse's feet to get worn down on
its own. Yeah, because here it says on here that
they would use, they would rotate horses, and
through the distances they traveled, they naturally
wore down the hooves as well. Who's your source?
Great American. the great american adventures
um i'm looking at native american horse education
foundation and cowell usa and americanheritage
.com has stuff that i've told you We're going
to keep moving. Horses are fun. Yes. I just realized
as I went to go search up more, I was like, oh,
we're missing the point here. So yes, horses
obviously would not, unless you were traveling
very long distances consistently and rotating
them. And had multiple horses. Right. Because
like ferrying isn't super hard, but there is
a lot of like, not nuance, but like technique
to it. Dude, ferrying's hard. You've got to be
so careful because an improper farrier job will
leave that horse completely lame and unusable.
I don't know. Our farrier taught me how to do
it. Obviously, I don't know everything of a farrier
that's been doing it for 40 years, but the basics
of clipping. But anyway. Clipping or digging?
Unless you're talking about goats, you're not
doing a whole lot of clipping. Yeah, he was...
That's like a very minor part. He was clipping
the horseshoes, sanding the edges down for shoes,
and then digging out the inside with the curve
knife. Horseshoes are a whole different thing.
Well, wouldn't you shoe them if you had the technology?
I would rather not to shoe them. Shoeing a horse
makes them more prone to lameness. Then why does
every... You only shoe... You only shoe a horse
if it actually requires being shooed. If they've
got a foot that's fucked up or something, that's
when you would shoe. I mean, every horse gets
shooed for shows. No, not at all. I mean, my
grandma did horse shows in reigning, and every
one of them was shooed. Unless you're doing European
style. No, they were all Western reigning. They
did shoes on all of them. And she did competition.
Yeah, we never shoe for Western. Almost never.
I'm not going to say never, but you rarely shoe
for Western. Yeah, we had professional horse
trainer there. I mean, we boarded 50 horses.
They all got shooed. The ones that did reining,
the Western style, just about all of them. Yeah,
no, shooing is like, if they need it, shoe them.
Yeah, but, yeah, we, I mean, we board, I think
he said we're up to 70 this year. and we've got
i mean same thing we got a couple trainers it's
weird how uh different people do it because i
mean it was like that my whole life when i was
there yeah but yeah horses are cool there's a
lot you can do with a horse but they're not good
for zombies no no maybe a donkey because those
bitches can kick I'll have a couple of those
as guard horses. Mule. Mule has a good bite and
a good kick. And you can ride. I have plenty
of dogs. You can ride a donkey. I'd have like
a dog. They can hear really well. Hey, I got
healers. That's like your typical apocalypse
dog. I don't know. I feel like they'd nip at
the side of the ankles of the zombies too much.
They'd end up just getting infected. No, the
Mad Max dog is a healer. I've never seen Mad
Max. Oh, my God. It just seemed goofy. That was
the joke. Oh, I did play the Mad Max video game.
That was pretty cool. Yeah, you look like the
Mad Max dog, but you're being loud and need to
go somewhere else. German Shepherd. Will Smith's
zombie German Shepherd. That was sad. Was it
a German Shepherd or a Malinois? No, it was a
German Shepherd. It was not no Malinois. 100
% a German Shepherd. They say it's either a German
Shepherd or a Malinaw. Her name's Abby. It's
definitely a German Shepherd. You can tell. I
think it's a German Shepherd. This one says it's
a German Shepherd. Dude, this AI bullshit is
so annoying because it'll give you answers that
just come out of fucking nowhere. Oh, my God.
People believe them. They think it's 100 % accurate,
too. Like, I said that, right? And then I'm scrolling
down, and now every listing says it's a German
Shepherd, which I agreed. It looked like a German
Shepherd. But I asked, is it a German Shepherd
or a Malinois? Or however you pronounce that
word. And it told me that we don't know whether
it was a German Shepherd or a Malinois. We definitely
know. I'm sure Abby knows. Yeah, I scrolled down,
and they all say German Shepherd. I'm sure Abby
doesn't have any kind of identity crisis. I think
she knows what she is. Wow. Back in 2022, she
turned 15. I wonder if she's still around. That
was such a sad movie when that happened. I hate
dogs dying in movies. What's up, Mark? It says
17 for her. Oh, so she's still alive? In 2022.
Yeah, there ain't no way she's fucking... 19.
2022, it told me she turned 15. The one I found,
it says 17. No, mine's on Facebook. I'm on Reddit.
I'm on a Facebook post. Man, all of this poor...
And this is what media does to people. One will
tell you one thing, the other will tell you a
whole different. This is why we don't listen
to media. And then you're shooting up ice facilities.
Okay, completely off topic, but this is something
weighing on me. Okay, real quick. Let's finish
up the dog thing. I think it is a German Shepherd,
just how young she was. She looked like a metal
wall for the tightness. Gotcha. So why is it
that all of these shooters, these leftist shooters,
are inscribing on their bullets? All these phrases.
Are they actually doing it? Like, I believe that
these people are fucking crazy, and I believe
that there are people shooting stuff up. But
do we really want to take that the evidence they're
finding is all this stuff inscribed on casings?
Well, I think this person in particular saw the
Charlie thing and was like, I'm going to do that.
Could be. Because you don't see it before. You
did see it with the guy that did the health care
thing, I believe, right? Didn't he have something
on it? I don't know. Or maybe it was in his memoir
or something. I thought he did some kind of inscription
on his shells. And I'm assuming they're not talking
about the bullets. They're talking about the
casings. Yeah, it's the casings. So the bullets
would give main orders to the hedge market. No,
that might be where it comes from. Because the
guy who killed the... ceo of united healthcare
he had the words deny defend oppose written on
his case yeah that's what it was yeah so so i
think that's something that people saw and were
like oh you know let's i mean this is a message
now whether i believe that they are of their
own free will or not i think they're of their
own free will but i think that they were manipulated
oh definitely fbi is all over this or cia one
of the two I don't know if it's even FBI or CIA
as much as it is another country infiltrating
some of these extremist Reddit groups and 4chan
groups and manipulating people into this. I agree
with that, but at the same time, I trust the
FBI so little since they manipulated those three
guys into trying to kidnap the governor. I mean,
that was 100 % entrapment. Yeah. I mean, I don't
trust our government, but I don't trust other
governments more. Because there was those. You
remember those three guys that were trying to
kidnap Governor Whitmer? No. Oh, this is like
2018, 19, somewhere in there. I don't even remember.
Maybe 2020. It was 2020. Faintly. During COVID.
Faintly. So. The FBI had told them that they
should abduct the governor, that they wanted
them to, and then the FBI arrested them for trying
to kidnap the governor. Well. So all of them
got off because they actually had proof of being
told to do it. Yeah. Also, just because someone
tells you to jump off the bridge doesn't mean
you need to. Like, it's like. I'm not going to
get into that argument. A different argument.
No, I agree with you. But most of these guys
were ex -service members. And when you get told
by higher -ups in our government to do something,
there's usually a reason. So you think you're
being a patriot by doing it. Well, that's the
thing. It's brainwashing. Yeah, they were 100
% trapped. I mean, the CIA, our government has
had a history of trying to brainwash and manipulate
and see what they can get away with. You know,
I definitely think that they were sleeper cells
or just cells. And this is my opinion from Israel,
because Israel, there's a lot, if you look into
it, of how much like they're the only country
that can lobby our government legally. Without
any without any forums, without anything like
that, like they can. throw millions of dollars
at government officials with no repercussions
because I think it was JFK. JFK started getting
them, was asking them to sign, I can't remember
what bill it is, but every other country had
already signed it. He was trying to get them
to do it. They said they would. He goes, hey,
you know, why have you done it? Why have you
done it? Why have you done it? And then all of
a sudden he got assassinated. And they were the
only country left out. And since then, they have
been the only country left out. And to me, not
saying that they did it, but I'm saying that
they might have. So you guys know how my eyes
change color, right? They're really blue today.
And I'm just now noticing it because I'm looking
at myself in the camera. The FBI's got me on
a watch list now. Just so everybody knows, I'm
not suicidal. I am a very safe driver. And I
don't plan on doing anything. As a driver, I
give him a C -. Bologna. Never gotten in a crash
in my whole life. I've been in two. Well, three.
But two of them were caused by drunk drivers.
And I wasn't the drunk driver. That's what they
all say. Neither of these times was I drunk driving.
Yeah, the points on your license say otherwise.
Moving on. I have no points on my license. Yeah,
I don't either. I'm just trying to fuck with
you. I have had points on my license for driving
fast back in my street racing days. I've never
even gotten a ticket. Okay, I've gotten one ticket.
I have gotten one ticket. I was 18 delivering
pizzas. I didn't fill out the meter. I got the
ticket for it. Even though they technically...
Leave pizza drivers alone because they're usually
not in that spot for more than, like, 10 minutes.
So that was bullshit. I have even had my license
suspended. But that's because I failed to show
up in court for a ticket I didn't know I had
in a state that I didn't live in. Yeah, I had
a bench warrant for mine because I didn't know.
Like, I got the ticket, put it in my glove box,
and then I ended up selling the Suburban. Completely
forgot about the ticket. And then, like, years
later. My mom's like, there are people knocking
on my door looking for you. There's a warrant
for your arrest. I'm like, what? So I went online,
paid it, and that's been that. But that was probably
10 years ago. Blown. Mine was about, since I've
been home in Michigan, I have not had a ticket.
Yeah. But when I lived in Arizona, it was like.
At least one a month, dude. It was fucking terrible.
But there's, like, quadruple the police force
down there, and they can be driving anything.
Like, the one that sticks out the most is when
we were driving through Tucson, and there was
a yellow, the new Mustang, not the new Mustang,
the, like, 2018, 2017 Mustang body style. There
was a yellow Mustang, and that thing was, he'd
pull fucking everyone over, dude. He'd pull up
next to a car. Act like he was going to race
and then pull you over right there. Yeah. Yeah,
you do have the choice. I don't know. All right,
so to recap, 9 -11, JFK assassination, and the
Charlie Kirk assassination, and the ISIS assassination
were all orchestrated by Israel. There is a long
line of history there that you can look into,
but I won't. I'm not going into that. But that's
my theory. Well, JFK, we have documents. We did
it. Yeah, documents. We have proven that the
CIA killed JFK. That's a known fact at this point.
Yeah, is it though? Yeah. That doesn't need to
be a conspiracy anymore. Well, I'm just saying,
who was controlling the CIA at that time? and
who was controlling them. So, like, I'm thinking
parents. It's like on 9 -11, the guys that hijacked
the plane, it has been confirmed that they had
Israeli accents and not accents from the place
that they were supposedly from. There were insurance
claims or insurance put on the towers. There
was a lot of, like, evidence. Israeli accents
and Iraqi accents are almost identical. And there
was a speech analysis done on it on the recording
saying that it was Israeli. They're like the
same. Well, maybe to us, but maybe not to a professional.
They're pretty freaking close to you. But anyways,
side point. We all know that we never landed
on the moon. We actually landed on Neptune because
the moon doesn't exist. It's a hologram projected
by the Russians. Okay, that's out there. That's
almost as bad as Earth is flat theory. I saw
a reel, a guy talking about his conspiracy, and
he's like, He's saying, you know how we've been
getting better and better at solving Rubik's
cubes and we can solve it and closer and closer
to zero seconds. Well, soon we're going to be
doing it in negative seconds. And that's how
you're going to be able to travel back in time.
And Hasbro wants to travel back in time to get
all the first run Rubik's cubes so they could
just double their profits by reselling old stock.
And then the world is going to get filled with
Rubik's Cubes, and we're all going to die of
Rubik's Cubes. Rubik's Cubics? That's going to
be the name of it. Rubik's Cubics. Well, okay.
So if you guys want to do more research into
the Israeli thing and why I think that, there's
like a big thing behind the Jewish being behind
all of the major conflicts of the world as more
of the perpetrators. There's like a super big
wormhole about this. And things start to track
the more you look into it. But anyway, because
they caused the zombie apocalypse. You go down
any wormhole and things start to make tracks.
I am not by any means an Israeli sympathizer.
I'm not at all. I think that modern day Israel
is kind of an evil place by using the name of
historical Israel to get away with doing stuff
by saying they're the. holy land they're not
even a real place like they're not even google
maps israel is very much so a real place but
no i don't mean like it's not real i'm just saying
like it's not an established like they established
it what in the 40 20s but that was them getting
their uh their their sovereign sovereignty sovereign
land back or whatever Personally, I think the
modern -day government of Israel is so far from
the actual chosen people of God that it's not
by any means what it originally was. Yeah, it's
not. But that being said, I'm by no means against
Israel or for Israel. I think that Israel has
done a lot of very evil things, but I don't think
that they're behind every major war that's happened.
It just doesn't line up. But you go down any
rabbit hole, and someone will put together some
string hole theory, and then, boom, now you believe
it. Well, I don't know, man. It's got a lot of
evidence to back it up. It's not like they're
just saying it. There's, like, actual, like,
documents. There's, like, actual trackable evidence.
I mean, I can make evidence, too. Well, if you
want to go down that route, we could have, they
could have, CIA, I don't know, CIA could have
bullshitted. I mean. that documents are so old
by the time they got released they could have
been already doctored i think it's all everything's
bullshit we live in a fog nothing is real i don't
i don't um it's a fascination for me to go through
these but i don't my life isn't revolving around
it because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't
really matter like mine did for a long time i
loved researching that topic yeah like i i think
it's fascinating but like at the grand scheme
of things any of these conspiracies that have
happened in the past they're not affecting my
life well they might be affecting my life i just
don't know it but i don't know anyway here and
there israel israel is what caused the zombie
apocalypse so anywho we're back in the zombie
apocalypse now after 20 minutes of 15 minutes
of horse uh talk and then 15 minutes of conspiracy
talk we're back into the zombie apocalypse we've
alex has chose a humvee i've chose any vehicle
i can get behind after my fj dies mark you said
you were going to stay with your own vehicle
for until it dies yep yeah so now we're moving
on to we can only um we can only use what we
can carry weapon wise you're allowed to have
one long arm I'm sorry, two long arms and one
sidearm and one weapon of melee. Top of your
head. I am going to forego the melee because
I don't need to carry that. I just need to carry...
a good shotgun, specifically a shotgun rifles
in a zombie apocalypse are less useful because
you have to be dead on accurate. Whereas with
a shotgun with buckshot in it, you can damage
the brain a lot easier. Um, so I'm gonna go with
a good shotgun, preferably something bullpup
to make it easier to throw around. Uh, and then
if I run out of ammo, I will use the back of
my shotgun as a melee weapon. What about you,
Mark? I kind of agree with the shotgun. But at
the same time, not necessarily for killing zombies,
I would have a bow on me for hunting. Yep. That's
fair. I mean, that is pretty... It's a reusable
ammo, mostly. Yeah. Plenty of it around. It's
quiet. Quiet. Very quiet. Well, that, too. Hunting
would be quiet for hunting. I think. Not trick
zombies. I think I would have a shorter -barreled
semi -automatic shotgun. Not bullpup, but that's
more just because I'm more comfortable with shooting
the typical style shotgun. And then I would probably
run an AR for mid -range only, just for the potential.
Other person I might run across. Or deer. Anything
I need to hunt. And then. I would still. Like.
I would still have some kind of spear. Spear.
I think spear is kind of your best go around.
For keeping your reach long. Keeping it quiet.
So I'd probably stick with the spear. For a melee
weapon. If I had to. I mean, even a really sharp
rebar rod would be good enough. A really pointy
stick. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, they
would be easy to come by. If I had to leave it
in something, like leave it in a head, if it
got jammed somewhere, I could move on. It's not
like it's going to be hard to find. They're easy
to pull back out. They're not barbed or nothing.
And they give you that long reach that if you're
kind of in a place where you kind of pinned up,
let's say, the top of a car or something like
that, they give you that extra reach so you don't
kind of endanger yourself without having to use
ammo. So we all have our weapons. We all have
where we would go. Are you traveling in a group
or are you traveling solo? For long term. Not
short -term. Group of four to five vehicles with
a max of ten people. Yeah, I would agree. Same.
I mean, you have the argument like more mouths
to feed, but if I'm trying to establish a long
-term position, let's say we're all going to
Mackinac Island, the three of us are... immediate
family and a couple of other friends that we
know, like Duncan, Shane. Let's just say that's
our group. We have a pretty good wide range of
knowledge, which is good. We have some knowledge
on welding, which we will be able to weld. We
have some basic carpentry knowledge amongst all
of us. Got a few vets. Say that again? Vets?
Veterans? Oh, yes. Military experiences? Veterinarians.
Yeah. I thought you meant like veterinarians.
I didn't clarify that. No. But, yeah, like I
think there is an argument with like more mouths
to feed, which means it would be a little harder,
but I think the knowledge and the security you
get from that larger group of people, because,
I mean, you can't watch a wall 24 -7. You have
to sleep. Yep. It makes better sense to have
10 people have rotations of two people. Yep.
Watching the wall, rotating off, sleeping, having
a rotation of two people, watching the wall,
guarding perimeter, doing perimeter walks. And
I would say 10 people is probably your sweet
spot, depending on the size of the place you're
trying to. uh live in but i think i think mac
man mackinac island's really big too though that's
what makes it so perfect the fort the fort would
be the best place obviously because you don't
have to there's not a lot you have to do to get
it ready right so you know two people one uh
you know one on each corner of the wall walking
it i mean i'd prefer probably them together just
in case but really really once you've got the
island cleaned off though there's not going to
be a whole lot coming on the island no yeah not
if they're freezing in the winter and they can't
make it really i would i would say like most
of them won't make it eventually and the water
is going to help hide where you're at So that'll
make them less likely to want to come to the
island. Yeah. They're going to be more likely
to want to travel south. I mean, you know, down
large cities and stuff. Yep. Yeah. Yep. I mean,
fun, fun facts. Gavin, every time you hit your
vape, we hear a quick. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I
wish you would have said that way earlier. Well,
it took me a while to put together where the
sound was coming from. Hit it again real quick.
Yeah, every time you hit it, your microphone...
It's like an electronic noise, not... Great.
Not the vape sound. It's like interference. We'll
see if it... Yeah, yeah, it's kind of what it
sounds like. It's really kind of weird. Great.
Sorry about that, guys. Hopefully we can clean
that out of there. I haven't had to worry about
that much. Okay, so yeah, we're on the island,
10 of us. Yeah, that's a pretty solid plan, now
we know. Now we have our bug out plan. This is
Editor Alex coming at you in the future from
this episode, so we're like a week later. I'm
doing the editing, and for whatever reason, the
last four minutes got cut off of this episode.
We just don't have it. I actually, I have mine
and Mark's, but Gavin's is distorted and broken.
So, you know, pretty much all we said in the
last five minutes was a bunch of bullshit about,
I don't even know, something about zombies and
something else about zombies. And then, you know,
it was over. So on that note, we'll catch you
guys later.