WEBVTT 00:00:02.199 --> 00:00:05.059 Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk 00:00:05.059 --> 00:00:07.459 about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, 00:00:07.620 --> 00:00:10.179 tent camping to rock landing, and all things 00:00:10.179 --> 00:00:13.759 to do with the outdoors. The world has ended. 00:00:14.140 --> 00:00:17.660 Everything is ending. Everything. Nothing exists. 00:00:17.859 --> 00:00:20.679 Everyone is dead. How are you surviving? Well, 00:00:20.699 --> 00:00:24.800 everyone's dead, so we're not. You know, we need 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:27.199 some more content. Yeah, we need some more content. 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:29.899 I find that funny. Because I found three different 00:00:29.899 --> 00:00:32.020 meme videos talking about the rapture happening. 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:36.619 Oh, yeah, the rapture happened. I forgot. I hope 00:00:36.619 --> 00:00:40.439 you guys had fun getting raptured. I'm currently 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:45.200 doing this from heaven. That makes a lot of us. 00:00:45.380 --> 00:00:48.979 Everyone turned into zombies. You're not a zombie. 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:55.399 How are you surviving? Getting on my knees. For 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:57.420 the zombies? Yeah, tiring them out one at a time. 00:00:58.929 --> 00:01:01.950 Oh, God. How many dicks are going to fall off 00:01:01.950 --> 00:01:05.109 in your face? If I do it right, all of them. 00:01:06.090 --> 00:01:10.090 Oh, God. I mean, doesn't that kind of stop it 00:01:10.090 --> 00:01:14.189 from happening? It's not like I have to pick 00:01:14.189 --> 00:01:17.609 them up off the floor. Come on. We're not monsters 00:01:17.609 --> 00:01:25.150 here. We're not doing five -second rule. So, 00:01:25.150 --> 00:01:28.540 no. let's say the world the zombies have happened 00:01:28.540 --> 00:01:32.540 right let's start with vehicles what are you 00:01:32.540 --> 00:01:33.980 going to do with the vehicle are you keeping 00:01:33.980 --> 00:01:35.780 your current vehicle would you move on to something 00:01:35.780 --> 00:01:40.739 else i guess i would keep my current vehicle 00:01:40.739 --> 00:01:44.459 long as it can last and not degrade fast on me 00:01:44.459 --> 00:01:48.200 from dealing with stuff yeah i would i would 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.159 keep the fj it's already pretty much outfitted 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:55.040 uh you know I can kind of pull into the woods 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.879 in the middle of nowhere, camp out of it, live 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:02.120 out of it. And at that point, a rooftop tent 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.719 is a necessity as far as having a place to sleep. 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:10.360 I would say a rooftop tent is literally killing 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.060 yourself. I don't think so. Wait, what zombies 00:02:13.060 --> 00:02:14.759 are we going by? Because, like, DayZ zombies, 00:02:14.939 --> 00:02:17.740 like, we're all fucked. But, like, I always think 00:02:17.740 --> 00:02:19.900 of the Walking Dead zombies and they can't climb 00:02:19.900 --> 00:02:24.389 on top of cars. Yeah, they can. I don't know. 00:02:24.409 --> 00:02:27.129 Every walking dead zombie I've ever seen are 00:02:27.129 --> 00:02:29.729 just like on the side of police cars. They climb. 00:02:30.909 --> 00:02:33.330 Yeah, but imagine if there's a swarm. Now you've 00:02:33.330 --> 00:02:35.449 got them climbing on each other into your car. 00:02:35.530 --> 00:02:36.669 You're going to rip right through the tent. I 00:02:36.669 --> 00:02:40.930 will hear them before the swarm gets there. And 00:02:40.930 --> 00:02:43.550 then you're going to get out, put your tent down, 00:02:43.650 --> 00:02:45.490 and get in the truck to leave? No, rooftop tent 00:02:45.490 --> 00:02:48.110 is literal suicide. I'm mopping them, motherfuckers. 00:02:48.409 --> 00:02:50.389 And then I'm getting in my truck and running. 00:02:51.409 --> 00:02:55.050 But I also have an elevated. I have the higher 00:02:55.050 --> 00:03:00.050 ground. I have the higher ground. I will just, 00:03:00.210 --> 00:03:02.729 I'll mink him. I'll have a sword. I'll have something 00:03:02.729 --> 00:03:05.830 physical so I'm not wasting rounds and not drawing 00:03:05.830 --> 00:03:09.930 attention. A spear is my go -to. I will have 00:03:09.930 --> 00:03:13.770 a nice long spear that will go where my shovel 00:03:13.770 --> 00:03:17.430 attachment was. It'll just, you know, mount right 00:03:17.430 --> 00:03:20.939 to the side of the fucking truck. And, yep, I'll 00:03:20.939 --> 00:03:23.180 just sit there and just stick them in the head. 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.659 Yeah, so I'm ditching the 4Runner. I got to think, 00:03:28.740 --> 00:03:34.599 like, Alex is going to say, like, a Camry. No. 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:39.340 Though, though, like a 2014 Camry, it's new enough 00:03:39.340 --> 00:03:42.400 it doesn't have issues as often. It gets decent 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.000 fuel mileage so you can go longer on a tank. 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:49.830 And. Parts for them are literally on every block. 00:03:50.729 --> 00:03:53.689 Hands down, best choice. But no, it's not. I 00:03:53.689 --> 00:03:56.210 think, I'm sorry, before I lose my thought, though, 00:03:56.270 --> 00:04:02.229 let me say this. I would take any SUV, because 00:04:02.229 --> 00:04:06.449 of storage, that has a sunroof. So I have an 00:04:06.449 --> 00:04:10.750 escape, just in case I crash, something happens, 00:04:10.830 --> 00:04:13.919 I have a way to get out. Don't smile like you 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.180 don't think I'm big. Like, I know I'm big. If 00:04:16.180 --> 00:04:18.139 we're surviving, I'd be able to fit through one 00:04:18.139 --> 00:04:21.620 of those. I'd lose the weight. That's not why 00:04:21.620 --> 00:04:23.379 I'm smiling. I'm just thinking you're on the 00:04:23.379 --> 00:04:25.040 rooftop, too. You're not going to be able to 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.120 get through the sunroof with that. Well, that's 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.399 why I said I'm recanting. I'm just thinking you're 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:34.500 missing the low -hanging fruit here. Because, 00:04:34.579 --> 00:04:38.120 I'm sorry, but Grayling isn't that far, and there 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.319 are some very nice Humvees up there that I know 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.839 for a fact. Will run for a very long time. Might 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.199 even have a gun mounted to the roof. I don't 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:49.779 know. Maybe I'll just get an electric vehicle. 00:04:51.819 --> 00:04:55.279 And Gavin's dead. I don't know. So, like, in 00:04:55.279 --> 00:05:00.300 all honesty, zombie apocalypse. Yeah, but you 00:05:00.300 --> 00:05:02.759 can mainly pump gas. The power grid can go down, 00:05:02.819 --> 00:05:05.180 too, and then you're definitely screwed. Right. 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.319 So you got an electric vehicle, and, like, we... 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:09.680 When moving, the electric vehicle is probably 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.620 the better choice because it makes virtually 00:05:11.620 --> 00:05:16.040 no sound except for tires. Yeah. But you're not 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:17.540 going to have anywhere to charge that motherfucker. 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.699 You're going to have to run a generator. What 00:05:19.699 --> 00:05:24.620 if I used and accrued, like let's say I just 00:05:24.620 --> 00:05:27.699 pick a Rivian and let's put this into like I 00:05:27.699 --> 00:05:30.339 have a home base or the back of the Rivian, the 00:05:30.339 --> 00:05:33.300 box of it is filled with solar panels that I 00:05:33.300 --> 00:05:36.910 could pull out. It won't work. Why not? I mean, 00:05:36.930 --> 00:05:40.110 it'd be like a trickle charge, effectively. Yeah, 00:05:40.110 --> 00:05:43.769 so the original Tesla had solar panels, and they 00:05:43.769 --> 00:05:47.930 ended up ditching them because in four or five 00:05:47.930 --> 00:05:50.829 days, they couldn't even get a mile off of a 00:05:50.829 --> 00:05:54.050 solar panel charge. Solar panels are the least 00:05:54.050 --> 00:05:56.709 efficient way to make electricity. Although I 00:05:56.709 --> 00:05:58.829 do think a motorcycle would probably be the best 00:05:58.829 --> 00:06:00.810 overall. It would really stretch things out. 00:06:00.910 --> 00:06:03.129 You just really lose that protection, though. 00:06:03.970 --> 00:06:08.439 Maybe a side -by -side? With armor? No, I really... 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:11.019 Because it can go anywhere off -road. Something 00:06:11.019 --> 00:06:14.540 like a Humvee, maybe a little bigger, maybe go 00:06:14.540 --> 00:06:17.560 up to, like, I don't know, an MRAP. Aren't those 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.279 notoriously, like, unreliable, though, Hummers? 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.339 Humvees? Yeah. No. No, they just are not creature 00:06:25.339 --> 00:06:28.699 comfort at all. Well, I've always heard from... 00:06:28.699 --> 00:06:31.240 They get beat the snot out of. Right, I feel 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:32.560 like I've even heard from you, like, they're 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:34.980 not... They're not reliable. People are always 00:06:34.980 --> 00:06:37.660 fixing them. Maybe that's because they're not 00:06:37.660 --> 00:06:41.540 maintained, but you fuck up your Hummer tire, 00:06:41.740 --> 00:06:46.100 you have to go back to base. The problem is if 00:06:46.100 --> 00:06:48.180 you have the smallest issue with a Humvee, it 00:06:48.180 --> 00:06:51.540 gets redlined and has to be fixed. So let's say 00:06:51.540 --> 00:06:54.769 it's got a super minor power steering leak. that 00:06:54.769 --> 00:06:57.069 Humvee is now redlined and has to go and get 00:06:57.069 --> 00:06:59.850 fixed because they're overly maintained. So the 00:06:59.850 --> 00:07:03.110 smallest little problems. I've seen Humvees get 00:07:03.110 --> 00:07:05.230 deadlined because there was a small piece of 00:07:05.230 --> 00:07:10.910 fiberglass cracked off the hood. If I'm going 00:07:10.910 --> 00:07:14.209 off of my family's not alive anymore because 00:07:14.209 --> 00:07:20.029 they're weak and slow, I made them slower than 00:07:20.029 --> 00:07:24.220 me so that I could get away. If I was going off 00:07:24.220 --> 00:07:27.019 of that, I would probably just transfer vehicles. 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.519 Honestly, I think I'd pack light enough because 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:34.240 I don't have to maybe take a couple pack -out 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:38.079 boxes and then transfer the pack -out boxes to 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:40.459 the new vehicle and then just keep going and 00:07:40.459 --> 00:07:44.560 then transfer as I do. I would literally aim 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:48.259 for a Humvee and just use that to go north because 00:07:48.259 --> 00:07:50.379 zombies freeze in the snow because they don't 00:07:50.379 --> 00:07:55.000 create body heat. If you can get somewhere like 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:02.120 Mackinac Island, my thought process here. Benefits 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:04.060 to Mackinac Island, once you clean off the island, 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:05.560 because obviously there's going to be zombies 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.040 on the island. Hopefully the apocalypse hits 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.060 in wintertime when there's less zombies on the 00:08:10.060 --> 00:08:13.319 island. Do they, though? Like in the winter, 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:20.079 they still had zombies. Like in Walking Dead. 00:08:21.350 --> 00:08:24.170 Yeah, but it was pretty unrealistic. Almost every 00:08:24.170 --> 00:08:26.310 other depiction of zombies has them freezing 00:08:26.310 --> 00:08:28.709 in the cold. I guess it really depends, because 00:08:28.709 --> 00:08:31.089 if it's more of a rabies of the brain, they can 00:08:31.089 --> 00:08:33.669 still produce body heat. I mean, if we're thinking 00:08:33.669 --> 00:08:36.669 the next COVID vaccine that came out was the 00:08:36.669 --> 00:08:40.370 one that did it, you know what I mean? I mean, 00:08:40.490 --> 00:08:43.750 The Walking Dead itself is pretty unbelievable, 00:08:43.909 --> 00:08:49.629 but an advanced rabies, which would be scarier. 00:08:53.009 --> 00:08:55.570 my survivability would decrease quite a bit. 00:08:55.629 --> 00:08:57.250 But then they'd be able to run over the ice to 00:08:57.250 --> 00:09:00.129 the island. Not that they'd be focused on that. 00:09:01.049 --> 00:09:03.649 Advanced rabies would put you more in the category 00:09:03.649 --> 00:09:08.309 of the movie The Crazies and less in the category 00:09:08.309 --> 00:09:12.009 of zombies. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's... I don't 00:09:12.009 --> 00:09:13.629 know. Because at the same time, when you have 00:09:13.629 --> 00:09:16.710 brain rot and bone decay and stuff like that... 00:09:18.640 --> 00:09:20.419 Essentially, you could just wait that out as 00:09:20.419 --> 00:09:23.759 well. The longer you wait, the longer you stay 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.620 secluded away from everything, the better your 00:09:26.620 --> 00:09:31.840 chances of them just dying off. Yep. So something 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:39.240 with a lot of acreage, like a UP to me is not 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.159 population dense and is close enough. I think 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.460 my main issue with doing an island was supply. 00:09:47.259 --> 00:09:50.240 Like, you could do deer, absolutely. That's why 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.919 Mackinac Island's such a good choice, because 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.200 it's only a mile from mainland. So you get up 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.299 there, you live off what's on the island already, 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.440 and then winter comes, you go on mainland when 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:04.220 all the zombies are frozen, and you collect supplies 00:10:04.220 --> 00:10:07.700 and then come back. Yes, if zombies freeze in 00:10:07.700 --> 00:10:13.340 the winter, that's a major game changer. So almost... 00:10:13.659 --> 00:10:15.980 Almost every historical depiction of zombies 00:10:15.980 --> 00:10:18.360 before The Walking Dead depicted them freezing. 00:10:19.539 --> 00:10:23.860 The book, World War Z, not the movie because 00:10:23.860 --> 00:10:27.399 the movie's fucking hot fucking garbage. The 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:31.500 movie's scary. The movie's fucking stupid, dude. 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.460 It's not scary. It's not funny. It's just bad. 00:10:36.019 --> 00:10:38.700 It's scary from the aspect that if there were 00:10:38.700 --> 00:10:44.580 a zombie. uh apocalypse of those type that would 00:10:44.580 --> 00:10:48.320 be scary because they are fucking fast they feel 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:53.139 no pain they i mean it would not be hard to get 00:10:53.139 --> 00:10:55.419 overwhelmed you would not be able to outrun them 00:10:55.419 --> 00:10:59.679 because they have no um you know sense of pain 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.200 or tired so like that's what so scare the fuck 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:07.590 out of me which is true in the book so the movie 00:11:07.590 --> 00:11:11.269 was very loosely based off the book the original 00:11:11.269 --> 00:11:13.710 manuscript for the movie which when they were 00:11:13.710 --> 00:11:15.450 coming out with the movie i was really excited 00:11:15.450 --> 00:11:18.029 about was almost ripped directly out of the book 00:11:18.029 --> 00:11:20.350 because the book is written in a way where it 00:11:20.350 --> 00:11:24.529 could itself be the script for the movie yeah 00:11:24.529 --> 00:11:28.919 um right Because it's an interviewer going around 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:30.980 and interviewing people that survived the zombie 00:11:30.980 --> 00:11:34.399 war. So you could do... All the parts with the 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.799 interviewer could be straight out of the book. 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:38.879 Because it's all back and forth conversation. 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:42.700 There's very little narration. So you could have 00:11:42.700 --> 00:11:44.740 that pulled directly out of it. And then when 00:11:44.740 --> 00:11:47.340 he starts talking to someone, have him do flashbacks 00:11:47.340 --> 00:11:49.720 to depict the zombie part. It would have been 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.799 an amazing movie. But Brad Pitt didn't like it 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:54.679 because it didn't have enough Brad Pitt, so he 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.879 fired the guy and hired someone else to write 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:02.460 it. That's fair. Yeah. So, okay, so we're going 00:12:02.460 --> 00:12:05.059 off of zombies freeze in the winter. Do they 00:12:05.059 --> 00:12:07.559 awaken in the summer? Do they thaw out like bears? 00:12:08.019 --> 00:12:10.559 Yep. Okay. Yep, because they don't actually, 00:12:10.779 --> 00:12:14.779 they're not actually alive, so they don't die 00:12:14.779 --> 00:12:18.179 in the cold. Yeah. Well, then can't they just 00:12:18.179 --> 00:12:21.860 go underwater? And like walk to the island. That 00:12:21.860 --> 00:12:26.179 happens in the movie as well. So, or in the book, 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:30.919 not the movie, I'm sorry. And that is a problem. 00:12:31.100 --> 00:12:33.940 But once they get underwater, the pressure is 00:12:33.940 --> 00:12:37.139 too much for them to ascend. Assuming that they, 00:12:37.299 --> 00:12:40.639 that the, I don't know, like they would just 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:44.440 walk, wouldn't they? Yeah, but after a while, 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:46.399 the pressure gets to be too much and they can't 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:52.379 ascend the bank on the other side. Then you've 00:12:52.379 --> 00:12:54.879 got to send people down with old -school diving 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.440 equipment, the old copper stuff, to start cleaning 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.220 out the ocean floors. That was in the book, too. 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.039 Yeah, because wouldn't they just poison the ocean 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:08.899 by being in it? Yeah, so you've got to clean 00:13:08.899 --> 00:13:12.899 it out, yep. Okay, all right, so we've established 00:13:12.899 --> 00:13:15.179 the type of zombie, I guess. They freeze during 00:13:15.179 --> 00:13:19.240 winter. They would have difficulty traversing 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:24.899 large depths of water. So an island isn't horrible. 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:27.679 I just, like, when I think of Mackinac Island, 00:13:27.820 --> 00:13:30.159 and I know we said that, like, if we are completely 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:34.080 the only survivors and it's not just, because, 00:13:34.139 --> 00:13:36.419 like, an island like that would naturally be 00:13:36.419 --> 00:13:40.940 secluded from that kind of thing. They would 00:13:40.940 --> 00:13:44.600 stop running boats. Not Mackinac, though, because 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:48.340 there's so many visitors. So by the time that 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:50.759 the virus has been found, I guarantee you it 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:55.220 would have spread. Then wouldn't Drummond Island 00:13:55.220 --> 00:13:59.620 be a better option? Okay. Isle Royale would be 00:13:59.620 --> 00:14:03.179 nice, too. The reason that Mackinac is the better 00:14:03.179 --> 00:14:05.940 option is that Mackinac Island has a fort with 00:14:05.940 --> 00:14:09.139 lookout towers on it. So in the winter or... 00:14:09.389 --> 00:14:12.289 not necessarily winter, but warmer winter days 00:14:12.289 --> 00:14:14.870 when zombies do thaw out, you have the ability 00:14:14.870 --> 00:14:17.990 to look farther across the lakes and see if there's 00:14:17.990 --> 00:14:20.409 anything coming. And it gives you the ability 00:14:20.409 --> 00:14:23.710 to keep lookout for other people coming across 00:14:23.710 --> 00:14:29.899 the water. True, true. And there's cannons. That 00:14:29.899 --> 00:14:33.960 may or may not work. I mean, I was going to say, 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.399 what stops a cannon from not working? No fuse? 00:14:36.700 --> 00:14:39.700 Like, you just load it full of silverware? I 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:44.100 don't know. Structurally. You never know until 00:14:44.100 --> 00:14:47.899 you find out, I guess. At least one. At least 00:14:47.899 --> 00:14:50.379 one. I know they do it in Michelin Mackinac, 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.879 too, but... Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, I guess 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.399 an island would be cool. I think if there was 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:02.080 a chance... Because to me, with COVID, once that 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:07.139 finally got out, I think there would be a higher 00:15:07.139 --> 00:15:10.080 chance of survivors on islands like that that 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.039 could just shut the boats down. That was my aspect. 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.480 It was like, you come to that island, dude, you're 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:19.139 already outnumbered by survivors. So that was 00:15:19.139 --> 00:15:22.379 kind of my... But yeah, I mean, if you are literally 00:15:22.379 --> 00:15:26.240 the only ones alive by some weird grace, then... 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.419 Yeah, Island would be great for that. Island 00:15:29.419 --> 00:15:33.279 already has an established, you know, plenty 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:38.639 of horses, plenty of buildings and food for, 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:43.059 I think, a summer. Maybe medicine. I'm sure they 00:15:43.059 --> 00:15:48.279 have a pharmacy, stuff like that. I think my 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.480 original thought was to find a large amount of 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.279 acreage in the UP. backed up against national 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:02.399 forest and you know start out there that being 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.340 extremely spread out i could you know the the 00:16:06.340 --> 00:16:09.419 roads and the population density is really low 00:16:09.419 --> 00:16:13.039 anyway so part of the issue with being on mainland 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:16.100 even the up is there are larger cities in the 00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:19.679 up yeah and when those zombies run out of food 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:21.740 in those locations they're going to start migrating 00:16:21.740 --> 00:16:25.289 to where there's food and that means that those 00:16:25.289 --> 00:16:28.230 larger cities will have mass migration going 00:16:28.230 --> 00:16:33.110 right past you. Well, would they? Because technically, 00:16:33.169 --> 00:16:35.409 Wisconsin would be a whole lot easier to get 00:16:35.409 --> 00:16:39.929 to. And the highest... Where are you going in 00:16:39.929 --> 00:16:42.789 the UP? Because you've got Sault Ste. Marie sitting 00:16:42.789 --> 00:16:46.730 on the East Coast. That's pretty sketch, dude. 00:16:46.850 --> 00:16:48.809 I don't know. I don't know exactly where. Maybe 00:16:48.809 --> 00:16:53.289 Keweenaw? I mean, Keweenaw wouldn't be a terrible 00:16:53.289 --> 00:16:55.610 option. Because that was what we kind of talked 00:16:55.610 --> 00:16:57.769 about. No, and you have the buffer of the bridge. 00:16:58.169 --> 00:17:00.429 Exactly. And all you have to do is raise that 00:17:00.429 --> 00:17:05.670 up. Take a boat across. It wouldn't be a big 00:17:05.670 --> 00:17:10.329 boat. And that is a canal, so it would be too 00:17:10.329 --> 00:17:12.509 deep for a zombie to get through at most points. 00:17:13.569 --> 00:17:17.769 Most. Not all. Keweenaw wouldn't be a terrible 00:17:17.769 --> 00:17:23.160 option. most of the up though i'd be pretty if 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.000 you're trying to hunker down and stay in one 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:27.339 spot long term i'd be pretty sketched out by 00:17:27.339 --> 00:17:30.019 it yeah i mean island island would be nice it's 00:17:30.019 --> 00:17:32.400 i'm thinking more of like the boating across 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:37.220 and stuff but jet boats exist of course then 00:17:37.220 --> 00:17:40.059 comes that option why not just go get a boat 00:17:40.059 --> 00:17:43.640 uh you live on a boat and you can hit mainland's 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:47.700 up come back out on the boat that's true There 00:17:47.700 --> 00:17:51.799 are some large boats out there. Zombie apocalypse 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.039 happens. How many tankers do we have here in 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:56.799 the state of Michigan? Yeah, that's true. I'm 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.059 not even talking necessarily ocean. Like, you 00:18:00.059 --> 00:18:02.380 could live just in Lake Michigan probably your 00:18:02.380 --> 00:18:05.220 entire lifetime sitting on one of them tankers. 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.680 Honestly, if you dock a freighter out about 30 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.380 feet off of main, you know, not 30 feet off of 00:18:11.380 --> 00:18:12.799 main shore, because you know what I mean, but, 00:18:12.819 --> 00:18:16.279 like, if you dock it out 50. however long it 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:18.819 takes so that it can float freely anchor it down 00:18:18.819 --> 00:18:22.460 and have a boat to go back and forth you can 00:18:22.460 --> 00:18:26.039 use that whole entire freighter yeah exactly 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.759 yeah then just have a vehicle or something at 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:31.880 the drop point that you can use to go back and 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:35.420 forth a boat there or just find one yeah exactly 00:18:35.420 --> 00:18:38.859 i mean for the first what probably five years 00:18:38.859 --> 00:18:41.200 you're gonna have no issue just finding a vehicle 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.299 and taking it yeah yeah Then after that five 00:18:45.299 --> 00:18:47.960 years, fuel starts to be gone. Parts have started 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.180 to dry rot out. Then we're using bicycles. I 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:54.740 don't know. I'd be like the homesteader in me 00:18:54.740 --> 00:19:00.680 thinks that a horse is the way to go. But they 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:07.400 spook. The equine or the cowboy in me, let's 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:10.480 say, tells me that I know a horse isn't the option. 00:19:10.859 --> 00:19:14.430 Yeah. I mean, they spook easy, too. Not just 00:19:14.430 --> 00:19:16.230 because they spook, but now you've got a whole 00:19:16.230 --> 00:19:18.289 other life that you have to take care of and 00:19:18.289 --> 00:19:21.049 maintain. Well, grass isn't going to be super 00:19:21.049 --> 00:19:23.049 hard to find, and I know there's a lot of medication 00:19:23.049 --> 00:19:26.269 and veterinary stuff you have to look into as 00:19:26.269 --> 00:19:29.470 far as keeping them alive. I'm not worried about 00:19:29.470 --> 00:19:31.990 medication or grass. I'm worried about the fact 00:19:31.990 --> 00:19:34.369 that if a zombie bites that horse, that horse 00:19:34.369 --> 00:19:36.849 is going down, and now you're down with the horse. 00:19:36.910 --> 00:19:39.609 Yeah, that is something I have thought about, 00:19:39.750 --> 00:19:45.220 but I don't know. With horses, you'd have to 00:19:45.220 --> 00:19:49.180 have the ability to farrier their feet, and it'd 00:19:49.180 --> 00:19:50.740 have to be you, because you're not going to pay 00:19:50.740 --> 00:19:52.700 a farrier to come to this zombie apocalypse. 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.200 Horses just wouldn't work long -term. Maybe the 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.099 first couple of weeks you'd be okay with a horse, 00:20:03.220 --> 00:20:08.519 or first couple of months. I don't know. But 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:10.960 as soon as their feet get too long, you're not 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:12.000 going to be able to ride them, because they're 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.279 just going to go lame. While they naturally had 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:20.519 to have been able to treat themselves, I mean, 00:20:20.539 --> 00:20:23.599 there are wild horses. Have you ever seen the 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:25.559 hooves of a wild horse? You can't ride a wild 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.900 horse because their hooves are so bad. They can 00:20:29.900 --> 00:20:32.460 only handle their own weight. No, I haven't seen 00:20:32.460 --> 00:20:35.240 a wild horse, but I'm just trying to think of, 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:37.839 like, I thought that people said that they naturally 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.640 wore down their hooves. They do out west, kind 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:44.759 of. I would assume not to the extent of having 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:49.960 a rider on their back, though. I wonder how the 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:53.900 natives did it, then. They farriered them. They 00:20:53.900 --> 00:20:58.220 cut their feet. Yeah, like with what? They just 00:20:58.220 --> 00:20:59.640 sit there with a rock? Whatever tools they had. 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:02.759 You gotta think, we brought horses over here. 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:05.380 Horses aren't natural to the United States. No, 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:11.329 well, the Spain did. Either way. But what I'm 00:21:11.329 --> 00:21:14.069 saying is, like, Spain did. They had plenty of 00:21:14.069 --> 00:21:16.890 time. Like, Native Americans had them for a long 00:21:16.890 --> 00:21:19.650 enough time before they had iron. I mean, they 00:21:19.650 --> 00:21:22.630 didn't have iron tools for ferrying. There was 00:21:22.630 --> 00:21:27.970 a gap between Spain invading and us coming. I 00:21:27.970 --> 00:21:30.410 don't think the Indians. Natives had iron tools 00:21:30.410 --> 00:21:33.349 for a long time. They were smelting their own 00:21:33.349 --> 00:21:37.279 iron? They were just trading them around. I mean, 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:39.859 there were some that smelted them, too. I don't 00:21:39.859 --> 00:21:41.599 know. That's what I'm saying. We didn't bring 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:47.640 iron tools to Native Americans. And they already 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:51.559 had them? Well, yeah, because the Aztecs had 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:58.200 them. The Mayans had them. So they would trade 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:01.480 up the coast. The actual knowledge had been traded. 00:22:01.619 --> 00:22:03.460 I mean, I'm not saying they're as good as the 00:22:03.460 --> 00:22:07.299 iron tools we had. But even so, you can cut a 00:22:07.299 --> 00:22:12.059 horse's hoof with a sharp rock. I'm thinking 00:22:12.059 --> 00:22:14.859 of it like there's a gap between where the Spain 00:22:14.859 --> 00:22:18.240 came and invaded. There's obviously going to 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:20.859 be some kind of separation between the Great 00:22:20.859 --> 00:22:26.180 Plains natives and the natives from South Mexico 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:31.079 area. But as far as historically speaking, I 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.819 haven't seen dug -up evidence of iron tools. 00:22:34.750 --> 00:22:36.490 Like, if they would do that, why didn't they 00:22:36.490 --> 00:22:41.109 make axes iron or their small arrowheads iron? 00:22:41.109 --> 00:22:44.250 Maybe they weren't. Well, some of those were 00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:48.170 iron. Some, yeah, later. The other thing is the 00:22:48.170 --> 00:22:51.230 iron tools corrode and disappear faster than 00:22:51.230 --> 00:22:54.430 stone tools. So even if they did, a lot of that's 00:22:54.430 --> 00:22:58.430 been rusted away and disintegrated by now. I 00:22:58.430 --> 00:23:05.329 don't know. But I looked it up. Just for you. 00:23:07.089 --> 00:23:17.609 Seems weird. Because when I took, like, I've 00:23:17.609 --> 00:23:21.430 taken and I've done flintknapping with Native 00:23:21.430 --> 00:23:24.710 Americans. I used to do a class, like I used 00:23:24.710 --> 00:23:27.509 to teach a class on the reserve up in Traverse 00:23:27.509 --> 00:23:32.609 City. And historically speaking, they never mentioned. 00:23:34.220 --> 00:23:37.099 having metal tools for this kind of stuff. I 00:23:37.099 --> 00:23:40.500 could imagine them chipping away at it at a rock. 00:23:40.619 --> 00:23:43.900 I mean, if you soak a hoof in water, it's softer. 00:23:45.380 --> 00:23:47.759 It's just a curiosity. I'm not saying anyone's 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:49.559 right or wrong here. It's just one of those things 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:53.680 where, like, my whole perception would be changed 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:57.200 if they somehow had access to iron tools but 00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:59.880 did not change any of their weaponry to iron. 00:23:59.880 --> 00:24:02.339 I was going to say, that might be regional beasts, 00:24:02.420 --> 00:24:05.259 too. regional base as well because some of them 00:24:05.259 --> 00:24:08.119 probably didn't get as much as the shoreline 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:13.740 from like the sea lines or the shores so pre 00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:18.339 -european uh iron generally came from meteorite 00:24:18.339 --> 00:24:23.259 iron um there are sources in new york uh northern 00:24:23.259 --> 00:24:29.069 michigan and parts of illinois um They also would 00:24:29.069 --> 00:24:31.329 get them from Asian shipwrecks along the Pacific 00:24:31.329 --> 00:24:35.869 coast, which obviously not ours. Yeah. And they 00:24:35.869 --> 00:24:39.049 also would trade coming down from the Bering 00:24:39.049 --> 00:24:45.029 Strait. Yeah. They did not develop the technology, 00:24:45.250 --> 00:24:47.490 but they did have iron tools that they had traded. 00:24:47.670 --> 00:24:51.230 Yeah. So that's very much regional based. Yeah, 00:24:51.329 --> 00:24:57.630 regional. By the 19th century. The West, mostly. 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:02.160 Yeah. By the 19th century, the Navajo, which 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:03.859 is who I've been thinking about this whole time, 00:25:03.940 --> 00:25:07.420 had incorporated techniques that they got from 00:25:07.420 --> 00:25:11.940 the Mexican techniques and Spanish techniques. 00:25:12.380 --> 00:25:17.339 Yeah. So it is more on region, like your central 00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:21.920 who didn't have trade, or at least they didn't 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:27.630 have a coastal trade. Right. might not have had 00:25:27.630 --> 00:25:31.029 that kind of technology. So Michigan probably 00:25:31.029 --> 00:25:33.750 would have not seen any of it for the most part. 00:25:34.109 --> 00:25:36.509 Well, they did have natural iron deposits in 00:25:36.509 --> 00:25:38.589 Michigan too, so I wonder if... Here's a really 00:25:38.589 --> 00:25:41.890 fun tidbit though. Native Americans were the 00:25:41.890 --> 00:25:45.349 first to mine and work copper in Lake Superior 00:25:45.349 --> 00:25:49.829 and Keweenaw Peninsula. Between 5000 BC and something 00:25:49.829 --> 00:25:53.529 else. I can believe that because there's a major... 00:25:55.690 --> 00:25:57.430 I can't think of the one up there, but there's 00:25:57.430 --> 00:26:01.210 like a god that was based off the copper. And 00:26:01.210 --> 00:26:05.450 they used copper to produce tools such as arrowheads, 00:26:05.710 --> 00:26:11.750 knives, farrier equipment. I don't know. That's 00:26:11.750 --> 00:26:16.930 not in there. I'm just saying maybe. So, I mean, 00:26:16.950 --> 00:26:18.750 they had ways. They had to farrier the horse's 00:26:18.750 --> 00:26:21.910 feet because a horse doesn't naturally. keep 00:26:21.910 --> 00:26:24.670 its feet in a spot where it can be ridden or 00:26:24.670 --> 00:26:28.470 worked. They just keep them in a spot where they're 00:26:28.470 --> 00:26:35.069 comfortable. So also it says they walked around 00:26:35.069 --> 00:26:37.609 freely with shorter or longer hooves, depending 00:26:37.609 --> 00:26:41.730 on how far they traveled in a day. So with normal 00:26:41.730 --> 00:26:46.769 travel and normal riding, long riding, they would 00:26:46.769 --> 00:26:49.730 naturally wear down their hooves. For long distance, 00:26:49.829 --> 00:26:52.869 they would have multiple horses to allow actual 00:26:52.869 --> 00:26:56.289 time on the horse's feet to get worn down on 00:26:56.289 --> 00:26:59.390 its own. Yeah, because here it says on here that 00:26:59.390 --> 00:27:06.609 they would use, they would rotate horses, and 00:27:06.609 --> 00:27:10.309 through the distances they traveled, they naturally 00:27:10.309 --> 00:27:15.589 wore down the hooves as well. Who's your source? 00:27:16.049 --> 00:27:21.140 Great American. the great american adventures 00:27:21.140 --> 00:27:27.519 um i'm looking at native american horse education 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:36.059 foundation and cowell usa and americanheritage 00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:51.170 .com has stuff that i've told you We're going 00:27:51.170 --> 00:27:55.549 to keep moving. Horses are fun. Yes. I just realized 00:27:55.549 --> 00:27:58.230 as I went to go search up more, I was like, oh, 00:27:58.289 --> 00:28:00.849 we're missing the point here. So yes, horses 00:28:00.849 --> 00:28:03.890 obviously would not, unless you were traveling 00:28:03.890 --> 00:28:07.710 very long distances consistently and rotating 00:28:07.710 --> 00:28:10.329 them. And had multiple horses. Right. Because 00:28:10.329 --> 00:28:13.190 like ferrying isn't super hard, but there is 00:28:13.190 --> 00:28:17.250 a lot of like, not nuance, but like technique 00:28:17.250 --> 00:28:20.519 to it. Dude, ferrying's hard. You've got to be 00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:23.539 so careful because an improper farrier job will 00:28:23.539 --> 00:28:25.680 leave that horse completely lame and unusable. 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:27.839 I don't know. Our farrier taught me how to do 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:32.039 it. Obviously, I don't know everything of a farrier 00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.460 that's been doing it for 40 years, but the basics 00:28:34.460 --> 00:28:40.400 of clipping. But anyway. Clipping or digging? 00:28:40.819 --> 00:28:42.880 Unless you're talking about goats, you're not 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.380 doing a whole lot of clipping. Yeah, he was... 00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:47.740 That's like a very minor part. He was clipping 00:28:47.740 --> 00:28:52.119 the horseshoes, sanding the edges down for shoes, 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.660 and then digging out the inside with the curve 00:28:55.660 --> 00:28:57.619 knife. Horseshoes are a whole different thing. 00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:00.740 Well, wouldn't you shoe them if you had the technology? 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.059 I would rather not to shoe them. Shoeing a horse 00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:09.720 makes them more prone to lameness. Then why does 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.630 every... You only shoe... You only shoe a horse 00:29:12.630 --> 00:29:14.869 if it actually requires being shooed. If they've 00:29:14.869 --> 00:29:17.289 got a foot that's fucked up or something, that's 00:29:17.289 --> 00:29:19.029 when you would shoe. I mean, every horse gets 00:29:19.029 --> 00:29:26.089 shooed for shows. No, not at all. I mean, my 00:29:26.089 --> 00:29:28.450 grandma did horse shows in reigning, and every 00:29:28.450 --> 00:29:32.230 one of them was shooed. Unless you're doing European 00:29:32.230 --> 00:29:37.130 style. No, they were all Western reigning. They 00:29:37.130 --> 00:29:40.470 did shoes on all of them. And she did competition. 00:29:40.910 --> 00:29:44.329 Yeah, we never shoe for Western. Almost never. 00:29:44.390 --> 00:29:46.430 I'm not going to say never, but you rarely shoe 00:29:46.430 --> 00:29:49.630 for Western. Yeah, we had professional horse 00:29:49.630 --> 00:29:51.890 trainer there. I mean, we boarded 50 horses. 00:29:51.910 --> 00:29:53.970 They all got shooed. The ones that did reining, 00:29:54.069 --> 00:29:56.650 the Western style, just about all of them. Yeah, 00:29:56.670 --> 00:30:00.089 no, shooing is like, if they need it, shoe them. 00:30:00.130 --> 00:30:04.990 Yeah, but, yeah, we, I mean, we board, I think 00:30:04.990 --> 00:30:08.069 he said we're up to 70 this year. and we've got 00:30:08.069 --> 00:30:13.309 i mean same thing we got a couple trainers it's 00:30:13.309 --> 00:30:16.130 weird how uh different people do it because i 00:30:16.130 --> 00:30:19.250 mean it was like that my whole life when i was 00:30:19.250 --> 00:30:23.910 there yeah but yeah horses are cool there's a 00:30:23.910 --> 00:30:26.390 lot you can do with a horse but they're not good 00:30:26.390 --> 00:30:33.029 for zombies no no maybe a donkey because those 00:30:33.029 --> 00:30:36.319 bitches can kick I'll have a couple of those 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:41.920 as guard horses. Mule. Mule has a good bite and 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:46.119 a good kick. And you can ride. I have plenty 00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:47.619 of dogs. You can ride a donkey. I'd have like 00:30:47.619 --> 00:30:52.279 a dog. They can hear really well. Hey, I got 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.559 healers. That's like your typical apocalypse 00:30:55.559 --> 00:31:01.329 dog. I don't know. I feel like they'd nip at 00:31:01.329 --> 00:31:03.809 the side of the ankles of the zombies too much. 00:31:04.029 --> 00:31:07.210 They'd end up just getting infected. No, the 00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:09.829 Mad Max dog is a healer. I've never seen Mad 00:31:09.829 --> 00:31:14.269 Max. Oh, my God. It just seemed goofy. That was 00:31:14.269 --> 00:31:18.349 the joke. Oh, I did play the Mad Max video game. 00:31:18.430 --> 00:31:22.029 That was pretty cool. Yeah, you look like the 00:31:22.029 --> 00:31:24.369 Mad Max dog, but you're being loud and need to 00:31:24.369 --> 00:31:27.200 go somewhere else. German Shepherd. Will Smith's 00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.759 zombie German Shepherd. That was sad. Was it 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.420 a German Shepherd or a Malinois? No, it was a 00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:39.779 German Shepherd. It was not no Malinois. 100 00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:53.700 % a German Shepherd. They say it's either a German 00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:56.720 Shepherd or a Malinaw. Her name's Abby. It's 00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.160 definitely a German Shepherd. You can tell. I 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.019 think it's a German Shepherd. This one says it's 00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:06.279 a German Shepherd. Dude, this AI bullshit is 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.359 so annoying because it'll give you answers that 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:10.660 just come out of fucking nowhere. Oh, my God. 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.940 People believe them. They think it's 100 % accurate, 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.029 too. Like, I said that, right? And then I'm scrolling 00:32:17.029 --> 00:32:19.589 down, and now every listing says it's a German 00:32:19.589 --> 00:32:21.769 Shepherd, which I agreed. It looked like a German 00:32:21.769 --> 00:32:26.549 Shepherd. But I asked, is it a German Shepherd 00:32:26.549 --> 00:32:29.549 or a Malinois? Or however you pronounce that 00:32:29.549 --> 00:32:33.329 word. And it told me that we don't know whether 00:32:33.329 --> 00:32:35.970 it was a German Shepherd or a Malinois. We definitely 00:32:35.970 --> 00:32:40.549 know. I'm sure Abby knows. Yeah, I scrolled down, 00:32:40.650 --> 00:32:43.049 and they all say German Shepherd. I'm sure Abby 00:32:43.049 --> 00:32:46.529 doesn't have any kind of identity crisis. I think 00:32:46.529 --> 00:32:51.069 she knows what she is. Wow. Back in 2022, she 00:32:51.069 --> 00:32:54.609 turned 15. I wonder if she's still around. That 00:32:54.609 --> 00:32:56.990 was such a sad movie when that happened. I hate 00:32:56.990 --> 00:33:02.950 dogs dying in movies. What's up, Mark? It says 00:33:02.950 --> 00:33:08.750 17 for her. Oh, so she's still alive? In 2022. 00:33:09.609 --> 00:33:12.819 Yeah, there ain't no way she's fucking... 19. 00:33:12.819 --> 00:33:16.259 2022, it told me she turned 15. The one I found, 00:33:16.299 --> 00:33:20.200 it says 17. No, mine's on Facebook. I'm on Reddit. 00:33:21.019 --> 00:33:26.019 I'm on a Facebook post. Man, all of this poor... 00:33:26.019 --> 00:33:32.420 And this is what media does to people. One will 00:33:32.420 --> 00:33:34.299 tell you one thing, the other will tell you a 00:33:34.299 --> 00:33:36.519 whole different. This is why we don't listen 00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.740 to media. And then you're shooting up ice facilities. 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.099 Okay, completely off topic, but this is something 00:33:45.099 --> 00:33:48.579 weighing on me. Okay, real quick. Let's finish 00:33:48.579 --> 00:33:50.759 up the dog thing. I think it is a German Shepherd, 00:33:50.859 --> 00:33:53.539 just how young she was. She looked like a metal 00:33:53.539 --> 00:33:58.920 wall for the tightness. Gotcha. So why is it 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.279 that all of these shooters, these leftist shooters, 00:34:02.380 --> 00:34:05.559 are inscribing on their bullets? All these phrases. 00:34:05.740 --> 00:34:08.079 Are they actually doing it? Like, I believe that 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.119 these people are fucking crazy, and I believe 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.800 that there are people shooting stuff up. But 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.800 do we really want to take that the evidence they're 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.679 finding is all this stuff inscribed on casings? 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:24.199 Well, I think this person in particular saw the 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.199 Charlie thing and was like, I'm going to do that. 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.619 Could be. Because you don't see it before. You 00:34:30.619 --> 00:34:32.320 did see it with the guy that did the health care 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.500 thing, I believe, right? Didn't he have something 00:34:35.500 --> 00:34:39.019 on it? I don't know. Or maybe it was in his memoir 00:34:39.019 --> 00:34:41.780 or something. I thought he did some kind of inscription 00:34:41.780 --> 00:34:45.639 on his shells. And I'm assuming they're not talking 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.340 about the bullets. They're talking about the 00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:50.940 casings. Yeah, it's the casings. So the bullets 00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:53.860 would give main orders to the hedge market. No, 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:55.880 that might be where it comes from. Because the 00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.019 guy who killed the... ceo of united healthcare 00:35:00.019 --> 00:35:03.219 he had the words deny defend oppose written on 00:35:03.219 --> 00:35:06.960 his case yeah that's what it was yeah so so i 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.719 think that's something that people saw and were 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.360 like oh you know let's i mean this is a message 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:18.079 now whether i believe that they are of their 00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:19.820 own free will or not i think they're of their 00:35:19.820 --> 00:35:22.199 own free will but i think that they were manipulated 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:26.780 oh definitely fbi is all over this or cia one 00:35:26.780 --> 00:35:30.019 of the two I don't know if it's even FBI or CIA 00:35:30.019 --> 00:35:36.039 as much as it is another country infiltrating 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:39.039 some of these extremist Reddit groups and 4chan 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:44.059 groups and manipulating people into this. I agree 00:35:44.059 --> 00:35:46.360 with that, but at the same time, I trust the 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.019 FBI so little since they manipulated those three 00:35:50.019 --> 00:35:53.139 guys into trying to kidnap the governor. I mean, 00:35:53.139 --> 00:35:58.139 that was 100 % entrapment. Yeah. I mean, I don't 00:35:58.139 --> 00:36:00.900 trust our government, but I don't trust other 00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:05.179 governments more. Because there was those. You 00:36:05.179 --> 00:36:06.639 remember those three guys that were trying to 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:10.519 kidnap Governor Whitmer? No. Oh, this is like 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.900 2018, 19, somewhere in there. I don't even remember. 00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:16.099 Maybe 2020. It was 2020. Faintly. During COVID. 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:21.539 Faintly. So. The FBI had told them that they 00:36:21.539 --> 00:36:23.280 should abduct the governor, that they wanted 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.519 them to, and then the FBI arrested them for trying 00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:30.400 to kidnap the governor. Well. So all of them 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.920 got off because they actually had proof of being 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.800 told to do it. Yeah. Also, just because someone 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:39.460 tells you to jump off the bridge doesn't mean 00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:44.090 you need to. Like, it's like. I'm not going to 00:36:44.090 --> 00:36:45.590 get into that argument. A different argument. 00:36:45.769 --> 00:36:49.929 No, I agree with you. But most of these guys 00:36:49.929 --> 00:36:52.929 were ex -service members. And when you get told 00:36:52.929 --> 00:36:55.110 by higher -ups in our government to do something, 00:36:55.309 --> 00:36:57.730 there's usually a reason. So you think you're 00:36:57.730 --> 00:36:59.809 being a patriot by doing it. Well, that's the 00:36:59.809 --> 00:37:03.289 thing. It's brainwashing. Yeah, they were 100 00:37:03.289 --> 00:37:06.469 % trapped. I mean, the CIA, our government has 00:37:06.469 --> 00:37:10.110 had a history of trying to brainwash and manipulate 00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:13.960 and see what they can get away with. You know, 00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:16.860 I definitely think that they were sleeper cells 00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:23.219 or just cells. And this is my opinion from Israel, 00:37:23.420 --> 00:37:28.059 because Israel, there's a lot, if you look into 00:37:28.059 --> 00:37:31.800 it, of how much like they're the only country 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:37.139 that can lobby our government legally. Without 00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:39.579 any without any forums, without anything like 00:37:39.579 --> 00:37:42.780 that, like they can. throw millions of dollars 00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:46.559 at government officials with no repercussions 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:51.940 because I think it was JFK. JFK started getting 00:37:51.940 --> 00:37:57.139 them, was asking them to sign, I can't remember 00:37:57.139 --> 00:37:59.000 what bill it is, but every other country had 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.300 already signed it. He was trying to get them 00:38:02.300 --> 00:38:04.019 to do it. They said they would. He goes, hey, 00:38:04.099 --> 00:38:05.699 you know, why have you done it? Why have you 00:38:05.699 --> 00:38:07.739 done it? Why have you done it? And then all of 00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:09.630 a sudden he got assassinated. And they were the 00:38:09.630 --> 00:38:12.030 only country left out. And since then, they have 00:38:12.030 --> 00:38:17.929 been the only country left out. And to me, not 00:38:17.929 --> 00:38:20.530 saying that they did it, but I'm saying that 00:38:20.530 --> 00:38:24.409 they might have. So you guys know how my eyes 00:38:24.409 --> 00:38:26.349 change color, right? They're really blue today. 00:38:26.409 --> 00:38:28.230 And I'm just now noticing it because I'm looking 00:38:28.230 --> 00:38:32.110 at myself in the camera. The FBI's got me on 00:38:32.110 --> 00:38:34.590 a watch list now. Just so everybody knows, I'm 00:38:34.590 --> 00:38:39.980 not suicidal. I am a very safe driver. And I 00:38:39.980 --> 00:38:45.820 don't plan on doing anything. As a driver, I 00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:50.099 give him a C -. Bologna. Never gotten in a crash 00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:55.019 in my whole life. I've been in two. Well, three. 00:38:55.420 --> 00:38:57.679 But two of them were caused by drunk drivers. 00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:00.639 And I wasn't the drunk driver. That's what they 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:05.280 all say. Neither of these times was I drunk driving. 00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:07.659 Yeah, the points on your license say otherwise. 00:39:08.619 --> 00:39:10.219 Moving on. I have no points on my license. Yeah, 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:11.940 I don't either. I'm just trying to fuck with 00:39:11.940 --> 00:39:14.960 you. I have had points on my license for driving 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.079 fast back in my street racing days. I've never 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.199 even gotten a ticket. Okay, I've gotten one ticket. 00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:23.900 I have gotten one ticket. I was 18 delivering 00:39:23.900 --> 00:39:27.340 pizzas. I didn't fill out the meter. I got the 00:39:27.340 --> 00:39:29.599 ticket for it. Even though they technically... 00:39:30.190 --> 00:39:32.650 Leave pizza drivers alone because they're usually 00:39:32.650 --> 00:39:35.090 not in that spot for more than, like, 10 minutes. 00:39:36.610 --> 00:39:40.789 So that was bullshit. I have even had my license 00:39:40.789 --> 00:39:45.469 suspended. But that's because I failed to show 00:39:45.469 --> 00:39:47.449 up in court for a ticket I didn't know I had 00:39:47.449 --> 00:39:50.010 in a state that I didn't live in. Yeah, I had 00:39:50.010 --> 00:39:51.710 a bench warrant for mine because I didn't know. 00:39:52.050 --> 00:39:54.130 Like, I got the ticket, put it in my glove box, 00:39:54.289 --> 00:39:56.809 and then I ended up selling the Suburban. Completely 00:39:56.809 --> 00:39:58.730 forgot about the ticket. And then, like, years 00:39:58.730 --> 00:40:01.119 later. My mom's like, there are people knocking 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.039 on my door looking for you. There's a warrant 00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:05.739 for your arrest. I'm like, what? So I went online, 00:40:05.860 --> 00:40:09.119 paid it, and that's been that. But that was probably 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:15.800 10 years ago. Blown. Mine was about, since I've 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.800 been home in Michigan, I have not had a ticket. 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.900 Yeah. But when I lived in Arizona, it was like. 00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:26.280 At least one a month, dude. It was fucking terrible. 00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:28.780 But there's, like, quadruple the police force 00:40:28.780 --> 00:40:31.440 down there, and they can be driving anything. 00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:35.059 Like, the one that sticks out the most is when 00:40:35.059 --> 00:40:36.960 we were driving through Tucson, and there was 00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:41.199 a yellow, the new Mustang, not the new Mustang, 00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:45.699 the, like, 2018, 2017 Mustang body style. There 00:40:45.699 --> 00:40:49.340 was a yellow Mustang, and that thing was, he'd 00:40:49.340 --> 00:40:51.559 pull fucking everyone over, dude. He'd pull up 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.980 next to a car. Act like he was going to race 00:40:53.980 --> 00:40:57.000 and then pull you over right there. Yeah. Yeah, 00:40:57.019 --> 00:41:00.739 you do have the choice. I don't know. All right, 00:41:00.820 --> 00:41:07.380 so to recap, 9 -11, JFK assassination, and the 00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.000 Charlie Kirk assassination, and the ISIS assassination 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:14.599 were all orchestrated by Israel. There is a long 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:19.719 line of history there that you can look into, 00:41:19.900 --> 00:41:23.449 but I won't. I'm not going into that. But that's 00:41:23.449 --> 00:41:28.389 my theory. Well, JFK, we have documents. We did 00:41:28.389 --> 00:41:33.309 it. Yeah, documents. We have proven that the 00:41:33.309 --> 00:41:37.110 CIA killed JFK. That's a known fact at this point. 00:41:37.230 --> 00:41:42.050 Yeah, is it though? Yeah. That doesn't need to 00:41:42.050 --> 00:41:44.690 be a conspiracy anymore. Well, I'm just saying, 00:41:44.869 --> 00:41:49.510 who was controlling the CIA at that time? and 00:41:49.510 --> 00:41:53.429 who was controlling them. So, like, I'm thinking 00:41:53.429 --> 00:41:58.750 parents. It's like on 9 -11, the guys that hijacked 00:41:58.750 --> 00:42:02.090 the plane, it has been confirmed that they had 00:42:02.090 --> 00:42:08.010 Israeli accents and not accents from the place 00:42:08.010 --> 00:42:12.449 that they were supposedly from. There were insurance 00:42:12.449 --> 00:42:15.210 claims or insurance put on the towers. There 00:42:15.210 --> 00:42:20.230 was a lot of, like, evidence. Israeli accents 00:42:20.230 --> 00:42:27.610 and Iraqi accents are almost identical. And there 00:42:27.610 --> 00:42:30.909 was a speech analysis done on it on the recording 00:42:30.909 --> 00:42:34.369 saying that it was Israeli. They're like the 00:42:34.369 --> 00:42:38.210 same. Well, maybe to us, but maybe not to a professional. 00:42:40.190 --> 00:42:42.510 They're pretty freaking close to you. But anyways, 00:42:42.730 --> 00:42:45.989 side point. We all know that we never landed 00:42:45.989 --> 00:42:49.329 on the moon. We actually landed on Neptune because 00:42:49.329 --> 00:42:52.429 the moon doesn't exist. It's a hologram projected 00:42:52.429 --> 00:42:58.809 by the Russians. Okay, that's out there. That's 00:42:58.809 --> 00:43:03.789 almost as bad as Earth is flat theory. I saw 00:43:03.789 --> 00:43:06.989 a reel, a guy talking about his conspiracy, and 00:43:06.989 --> 00:43:10.940 he's like, He's saying, you know how we've been 00:43:10.940 --> 00:43:12.559 getting better and better at solving Rubik's 00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.380 cubes and we can solve it and closer and closer 00:43:15.380 --> 00:43:20.440 to zero seconds. Well, soon we're going to be 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:22.260 doing it in negative seconds. And that's how 00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:24.119 you're going to be able to travel back in time. 00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:28.260 And Hasbro wants to travel back in time to get 00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:30.579 all the first run Rubik's cubes so they could 00:43:30.579 --> 00:43:32.940 just double their profits by reselling old stock. 00:43:33.690 --> 00:43:35.849 And then the world is going to get filled with 00:43:35.849 --> 00:43:38.130 Rubik's Cubes, and we're all going to die of 00:43:38.130 --> 00:43:42.630 Rubik's Cubes. Rubik's Cubics? That's going to 00:43:42.630 --> 00:43:45.590 be the name of it. Rubik's Cubics. Well, okay. 00:43:45.829 --> 00:43:48.230 So if you guys want to do more research into 00:43:48.230 --> 00:43:50.889 the Israeli thing and why I think that, there's 00:43:50.889 --> 00:43:54.670 like a big thing behind the Jewish being behind 00:43:54.670 --> 00:43:59.250 all of the major conflicts of the world as more 00:43:59.250 --> 00:44:02.170 of the perpetrators. There's like a super big 00:44:02.170 --> 00:44:05.969 wormhole about this. And things start to track 00:44:05.969 --> 00:44:08.949 the more you look into it. But anyway, because 00:44:08.949 --> 00:44:12.449 they caused the zombie apocalypse. You go down 00:44:12.449 --> 00:44:14.469 any wormhole and things start to make tracks. 00:44:14.650 --> 00:44:19.110 I am not by any means an Israeli sympathizer. 00:44:19.210 --> 00:44:22.030 I'm not at all. I think that modern day Israel 00:44:22.030 --> 00:44:25.969 is kind of an evil place by using the name of 00:44:25.969 --> 00:44:29.269 historical Israel to get away with doing stuff 00:44:29.269 --> 00:44:31.750 by saying they're the. holy land they're not 00:44:31.750 --> 00:44:33.590 even a real place like they're not even google 00:44:33.590 --> 00:44:38.510 maps israel is very much so a real place but 00:44:38.510 --> 00:44:40.889 no i don't mean like it's not real i'm just saying 00:44:40.889 --> 00:44:44.250 like it's not an established like they established 00:44:44.250 --> 00:44:49.650 it what in the 40 20s but that was them getting 00:44:49.650 --> 00:44:54.289 their uh their their sovereign sovereignty sovereign 00:44:54.289 --> 00:44:58.360 land back or whatever Personally, I think the 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.800 modern -day government of Israel is so far from 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.920 the actual chosen people of God that it's not 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:11.719 by any means what it originally was. Yeah, it's 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:16.400 not. But that being said, I'm by no means against 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.900 Israel or for Israel. I think that Israel has 00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:22.420 done a lot of very evil things, but I don't think 00:45:22.420 --> 00:45:24.960 that they're behind every major war that's happened. 00:45:25.389 --> 00:45:28.510 It just doesn't line up. But you go down any 00:45:28.510 --> 00:45:30.849 rabbit hole, and someone will put together some 00:45:30.849 --> 00:45:33.250 string hole theory, and then, boom, now you believe 00:45:33.250 --> 00:45:36.090 it. Well, I don't know, man. It's got a lot of 00:45:36.090 --> 00:45:39.110 evidence to back it up. It's not like they're 00:45:39.110 --> 00:45:42.889 just saying it. There's, like, actual, like, 00:45:42.909 --> 00:45:46.309 documents. There's, like, actual trackable evidence. 00:45:46.309 --> 00:45:48.730 I mean, I can make evidence, too. Well, if you 00:45:48.730 --> 00:45:50.769 want to go down that route, we could have, they 00:45:50.769 --> 00:45:53.429 could have, CIA, I don't know, CIA could have 00:45:53.429 --> 00:45:56.380 bullshitted. I mean. that documents are so old 00:45:56.380 --> 00:45:57.800 by the time they got released they could have 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.780 been already doctored i think it's all everything's 00:46:01.780 --> 00:46:04.900 bullshit we live in a fog nothing is real i don't 00:46:04.900 --> 00:46:07.920 i don't um it's a fascination for me to go through 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.900 these but i don't my life isn't revolving around 00:46:10.900 --> 00:46:14.260 it because in the grand scheme of things it doesn't 00:46:14.260 --> 00:46:17.599 really matter like mine did for a long time i 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:20.960 loved researching that topic yeah like i i think 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:22.940 it's fascinating but like at the grand scheme 00:46:22.940 --> 00:46:25.980 of things any of these conspiracies that have 00:46:25.980 --> 00:46:28.139 happened in the past they're not affecting my 00:46:28.139 --> 00:46:30.280 life well they might be affecting my life i just 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.219 don't know it but i don't know anyway here and 00:46:34.219 --> 00:46:37.599 there israel israel is what caused the zombie 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.360 apocalypse so anywho we're back in the zombie 00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:44.239 apocalypse now after 20 minutes of 15 minutes 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:49.909 of horse uh talk and then 15 minutes of conspiracy 00:46:49.909 --> 00:46:53.789 talk we're back into the zombie apocalypse we've 00:46:53.789 --> 00:46:57.670 alex has chose a humvee i've chose any vehicle 00:46:57.670 --> 00:47:01.070 i can get behind after my fj dies mark you said 00:47:01.070 --> 00:47:02.750 you were going to stay with your own vehicle 00:47:02.750 --> 00:47:07.250 for until it dies yep yeah so now we're moving 00:47:07.250 --> 00:47:12.889 on to we can only um we can only use what we 00:47:12.889 --> 00:47:16.389 can carry weapon wise you're allowed to have 00:47:16.389 --> 00:47:22.059 one long arm I'm sorry, two long arms and one 00:47:22.059 --> 00:47:29.159 sidearm and one weapon of melee. Top of your 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:34.599 head. I am going to forego the melee because 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:39.179 I don't need to carry that. I just need to carry... 00:47:39.420 --> 00:47:42.579 a good shotgun, specifically a shotgun rifles 00:47:42.579 --> 00:47:45.079 in a zombie apocalypse are less useful because 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:47.559 you have to be dead on accurate. Whereas with 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:49.840 a shotgun with buckshot in it, you can damage 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.800 the brain a lot easier. Um, so I'm gonna go with 00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:56.340 a good shotgun, preferably something bullpup 00:47:56.340 --> 00:47:59.280 to make it easier to throw around. Uh, and then 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.000 if I run out of ammo, I will use the back of 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:08.460 my shotgun as a melee weapon. What about you, 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:16.090 Mark? I kind of agree with the shotgun. But at 00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:19.889 the same time, not necessarily for killing zombies, 00:48:20.030 --> 00:48:25.349 I would have a bow on me for hunting. Yep. That's 00:48:25.349 --> 00:48:30.210 fair. I mean, that is pretty... It's a reusable 00:48:30.210 --> 00:48:34.389 ammo, mostly. Yeah. Plenty of it around. It's 00:48:34.389 --> 00:48:37.269 quiet. Quiet. Very quiet. Well, that, too. Hunting 00:48:37.269 --> 00:48:41.429 would be quiet for hunting. I think. Not trick 00:48:41.429 --> 00:48:45.440 zombies. I think I would have a shorter -barreled 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.860 semi -automatic shotgun. Not bullpup, but that's 00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:53.539 more just because I'm more comfortable with shooting 00:48:53.539 --> 00:49:01.000 the typical style shotgun. And then I would probably 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:08.420 run an AR for mid -range only, just for the potential. 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.480 Other person I might run across. Or deer. Anything 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:19.539 I need to hunt. And then. I would still. Like. 00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:22.679 I would still have some kind of spear. Spear. 00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.920 I think spear is kind of your best go around. 00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.719 For keeping your reach long. Keeping it quiet. 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:35.099 So I'd probably stick with the spear. For a melee 00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:40.420 weapon. If I had to. I mean, even a really sharp 00:49:40.420 --> 00:49:46.579 rebar rod would be good enough. A really pointy 00:49:46.579 --> 00:49:50.179 stick. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, they 00:49:50.179 --> 00:49:54.800 would be easy to come by. If I had to leave it 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:57.239 in something, like leave it in a head, if it 00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.539 got jammed somewhere, I could move on. It's not 00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:02.219 like it's going to be hard to find. They're easy 00:50:02.219 --> 00:50:05.460 to pull back out. They're not barbed or nothing. 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:09.139 And they give you that long reach that if you're 00:50:09.139 --> 00:50:12.219 kind of in a place where you kind of pinned up, 00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:17.000 let's say, the top of a car or something like 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.719 that, they give you that extra reach so you don't 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.320 kind of endanger yourself without having to use 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.460 ammo. So we all have our weapons. We all have 00:50:27.460 --> 00:50:32.019 where we would go. Are you traveling in a group 00:50:32.019 --> 00:50:38.360 or are you traveling solo? For long term. Not 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:43.039 short -term. Group of four to five vehicles with 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:48.500 a max of ten people. Yeah, I would agree. Same. 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.239 I mean, you have the argument like more mouths 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:57.800 to feed, but if I'm trying to establish a long 00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:03.900 -term position, let's say we're all going to 00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:06.960 Mackinac Island, the three of us are... immediate 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.880 family and a couple of other friends that we 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.460 know, like Duncan, Shane. Let's just say that's 00:51:12.460 --> 00:51:16.960 our group. We have a pretty good wide range of 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:21.820 knowledge, which is good. We have some knowledge 00:51:21.820 --> 00:51:25.719 on welding, which we will be able to weld. We 00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.139 have some basic carpentry knowledge amongst all 00:51:28.139 --> 00:51:36.840 of us. Got a few vets. Say that again? Vets? 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:41.719 Veterans? Oh, yes. Military experiences? Veterinarians. 00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.820 Yeah. I thought you meant like veterinarians. 00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:48.159 I didn't clarify that. No. But, yeah, like I 00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:51.179 think there is an argument with like more mouths 00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:53.820 to feed, which means it would be a little harder, 00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:57.420 but I think the knowledge and the security you 00:51:57.420 --> 00:52:01.739 get from that larger group of people, because, 00:52:01.739 --> 00:52:05.769 I mean, you can't watch a wall 24 -7. You have 00:52:05.769 --> 00:52:09.989 to sleep. Yep. It makes better sense to have 00:52:09.989 --> 00:52:16.409 10 people have rotations of two people. Yep. 00:52:16.469 --> 00:52:20.090 Watching the wall, rotating off, sleeping, having 00:52:20.090 --> 00:52:23.409 a rotation of two people, watching the wall, 00:52:23.710 --> 00:52:27.630 guarding perimeter, doing perimeter walks. And 00:52:27.630 --> 00:52:31.110 I would say 10 people is probably your sweet 00:52:31.110 --> 00:52:33.710 spot, depending on the size of the place you're 00:52:33.710 --> 00:52:37.840 trying to. uh live in but i think i think mac 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.500 man mackinac island's really big too though that's 00:52:42.500 --> 00:52:45.500 what makes it so perfect the fort the fort would 00:52:45.500 --> 00:52:47.980 be the best place obviously because you don't 00:52:47.980 --> 00:52:52.019 have to there's not a lot you have to do to get 00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:58.679 it ready right so you know two people one uh 00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:02.550 you know one on each corner of the wall walking 00:53:02.550 --> 00:53:05.429 it i mean i'd prefer probably them together just 00:53:05.429 --> 00:53:09.349 in case but really really once you've got the 00:53:09.349 --> 00:53:11.369 island cleaned off though there's not going to 00:53:11.369 --> 00:53:14.510 be a whole lot coming on the island no yeah not 00:53:14.510 --> 00:53:16.610 if they're freezing in the winter and they can't 00:53:16.610 --> 00:53:19.610 make it really i would i would say like most 00:53:19.610 --> 00:53:24.570 of them won't make it eventually and the water 00:53:24.570 --> 00:53:27.539 is going to help hide where you're at So that'll 00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:29.599 make them less likely to want to come to the 00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.880 island. Yeah. They're going to be more likely 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:36.199 to want to travel south. I mean, you know, down 00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:43.260 large cities and stuff. Yep. Yeah. Yep. I mean, 00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:46.159 fun, fun facts. Gavin, every time you hit your 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:50.739 vape, we hear a quick. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I 00:53:50.739 --> 00:53:53.889 wish you would have said that way earlier. Well, 00:53:53.969 --> 00:53:56.010 it took me a while to put together where the 00:53:56.010 --> 00:53:57.670 sound was coming from. Hit it again real quick. 00:54:02.630 --> 00:54:04.969 Yeah, every time you hit it, your microphone... 00:54:04.969 --> 00:54:08.670 It's like an electronic noise, not... Great. 00:54:08.789 --> 00:54:12.670 Not the vape sound. It's like interference. We'll 00:54:12.670 --> 00:54:15.030 see if it... Yeah, yeah, it's kind of what it 00:54:15.030 --> 00:54:17.230 sounds like. It's really kind of weird. Great. 00:54:17.429 --> 00:54:20.130 Sorry about that, guys. Hopefully we can clean 00:54:20.130 --> 00:54:23.030 that out of there. I haven't had to worry about 00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:27.610 that much. Okay, so yeah, we're on the island, 00:54:27.750 --> 00:54:31.349 10 of us. Yeah, that's a pretty solid plan, now 00:54:31.349 --> 00:54:36.250 we know. Now we have our bug out plan. This is 00:54:36.250 --> 00:54:40.150 Editor Alex coming at you in the future from 00:54:40.150 --> 00:54:44.889 this episode, so we're like a week later. I'm 00:54:44.889 --> 00:54:47.469 doing the editing, and for whatever reason, the 00:54:47.469 --> 00:54:50.070 last four minutes got cut off of this episode. 00:54:52.010 --> 00:54:55.769 We just don't have it. I actually, I have mine 00:54:55.769 --> 00:55:00.769 and Mark's, but Gavin's is distorted and broken. 00:55:01.329 --> 00:55:04.429 So, you know, pretty much all we said in the 00:55:04.429 --> 00:55:07.469 last five minutes was a bunch of bullshit about, 00:55:07.530 --> 00:55:11.550 I don't even know, something about zombies and 00:55:11.550 --> 00:55:14.869 something else about zombies. And then, you know, 00:55:14.889 --> 00:55:17.710 it was over. So on that note, we'll catch you 00:55:17.710 --> 00:55:18.030 guys later.