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Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk

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about everything from gear reviews to trail stories,

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tent camping to rock landing, and all things

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to do with the outdoors. This is take two. We

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actually had a really good intro, but my mic

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was doing goofy stuff and turning volume up and

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down willy -nilly. So hopefully I sound okay,

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listeners. If not, well, blame the machine. But

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it is just... Me, I'm Alex, and Mark, that's

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the other goofy -sounding guy you hear there.

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Just the two of us today. Gavin's off doing Gavin

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life stuff, I guess. Uh -huh. Yeah, life just

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be lifin', man. Like, when we started the podcast,

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I think all of us had a little more free time

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than we have now. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like

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when, when we started, I didn't even have a kid

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like, and I didn't like, I didn't like have my

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own kid. Right. I didn't have a, a kid that I

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could work up to. No, I started with a three

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-year -old. Yep. Just here. You start at three.

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You don't get anywhere. You don't get the beginning

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stage. You just get three. Fuck man. Yeah. Things

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have, things are way different now than when

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we started the podcast. Yeah. You know, and,

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I didn't mean to set us up with a good topic,

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but this is a good topic, man. How do you keep

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off -roading when life be life? Oh, man. Yeah,

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especially since we did not do a lot of off -roading

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this year like we were originally planning. We

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really didn't. So we've been building out our

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vehicles because we just had so many issues that

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we've had with the vehicles last year. So we

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were like, ah, let's work on them. And then it

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just became more and more work as we worked on

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them. Yeah. And spoiler alert, the 4Runner is

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ticking. I noticed that in the McDonald's drive

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-thru today. I'm hoping it's like last time and

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a spark plug decided to get loose because for

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whatever reason, this 4Runner likes to loosen

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its spark plugs. I forgot about that. Yeah, so

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I'm hoping that's what's going on. But what do

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you do? But yeah, I mean, the best advice I can

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give to keep off -roading when your life be lifin'

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is you just have to make it a priority. In a

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year, let's say you get out three times. That's

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three times you got out. Yeah. I mean, there's

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no shame in taking time off. No, and I know not

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everyone has trails nearby, so it's kind of hard

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just to get away on a quick weekend like we can

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do for the most part. Farm. Fucking farm. Yeah.

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But, I mean, we planned our... trips around our

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work schedule usually we do it where we take

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one or two days at the end of the week go through

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the weekend and may or may not take a monday

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off just to recoup i never get that luxury i

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know you don't recoup day i know you don't every

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day is a work day for alex i don't even get weekends

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man this is fucking bullshit yeah Oh, and there's

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some completely off topic, but it's something

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weighing heavy on me. Some really scary news.

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There were over a dozen birds found dead at the

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Muskegon County Waste Management Plant. Oh. No,

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Water Treatment Plant. Oh. Phone's ringing. BRB.

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Phone is definitely ringing. I guess I got to

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figure out what to do here. on the topic of building

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out stuff i i know i think i've said it before

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but it is still i can't believe how much of a

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difference my truck has been since getting rid

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of the old bumper on the rear that thing was

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heavy and i have gotten so many more compliments

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for this truck than i have previously last year

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i'm still weird to think about it that way but

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Definitely a very unique truck now. Also on that

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note, we haven't, I don't think we've discussed

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it on here, but I have joined Alex in the sticker

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bomb. My right fender is sticker bombed. Pretty

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good. Oh, there's Alex coming back. Yeah, I'm

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totally going to cut that, like, however long.

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I kind of did a filler, so, but you can get rid

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of it. So, yeah, I got. I'll leave your filler

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then. Can you hear me in the background? Probably.

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I heard you in the background. Yeah. Okay, so

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somewhere in here, you listeners will come back

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into the story, but there were over a dozen birds

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found dead at the Muskegon County Water Treatment

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Facility. Generally, when we have over a dozen

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dead birds found, that is considered, it's usually

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an AI situation. avian influenza or bird flu,

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whatever you want to call it. Yeah. That's all

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fine and dandy, except it's the first time this

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year that that has happened in Michigan. And

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it happens to be less than 10 miles from my house.

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Oh, that plan. Gotcha. So I have, I am in the

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danger zone right now of avian influenza. And

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honestly, okay. Obviously I don't want, I don't

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want bird flu, right? But if I'm going to get

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bird flu on the farm, I need it to be, like,

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right now. Yeah. I only have one flock. I haven't

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added any more. My entire farm is empty. So if

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I'm going to get it, now is the absolute best

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possible time for me to get it. Yeah. And I always

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would rather my farm get it than the other nine

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farms in my company. Yeah. Because they're all

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within a mile or so of each other. So if any

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of them get it. Everybody has it. And obviously

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I want to see my company do well. So I would

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rather my tiny little farm that's off on its

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own get hit than one of the big farms. Because

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all the other farms have 100 ,000 plus birds.

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Yeah. I have 40 ,000 when I'm full. Right now

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I've got 8 ,300. So, yeah, it's a scary life

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piece. It's getting really hard to farm turkeys,

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man. Like, because, you know, we had the MG thing

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earlier this year, so we had to empty out the

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farm. We killed two flocks? I think we killed

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two flocks. Yeah, I think you said you killed

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two. So, I mean, that's a lot of loss, man. And

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then to have this AI thing ever -present just

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hovering over us, like, the amount of stuff that

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we have to do to keep birds healthy now is just...

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It's ridiculous. Yeah. I had an audit. Yeah.

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We're recording a day late because of my audit,

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guys. I had an audit on Wednesday about my biosecurity

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practices, and I passed with flying colors. Now,

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that being said, there's only so much you can

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do for biosecurity. So at what point? at what

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point is it not worth farming turkeys anymore

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is what i'm getting at here you know like at

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what point is it not financially viable yeah

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i was about to say at what point is it not financially

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viable like you said and when we hit that point

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what happens do we lose turkey as a food option

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do we have to start importing it from other countries

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where they don't give a damn so now you've got

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sick birds all the time like it's This shit's

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scary, man. And it's not just us. I think it's

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North or South Dakota has nine farms with AI

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right now. Oh, jeez. I'm assuming those are way

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bigger than what you guys' pump out. Yeah, they've

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already had multiple cases since September of

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2025. So, I mean, that's happening quick over

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there. Yeah. It doesn't tell me how big they

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are, so that's inconvenient. And the thing I

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really don't understand is we don't hear about

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small farms getting it, right? We don't hear

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about Joe Smoe, who's got 50 chickens in his

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backyard, getting AI. How many of those farms

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are actually sick and just getting wiped out

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and nobody knows, you know? It's just scary times.

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And a lot of this... Right now, let me take my

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official hat off and put on my opinion hat. Wow,

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this became a turkey talk show. I'm so sorry,

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guys. We didn't have a great topic today. I haven't

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been wheeling much because of turkeys, so turkeys

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are what I'm thinking of. Honestly, this avian

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influenza outbreak increase that we're seeing

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now, or even it spreading to cows, all of that,

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it started when countries like Mexico, the UK,

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they started to give vaccines for avian influenza

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to their birds. And it seems like every time

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that we add a vaccine of some kind, it just creates

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a mutation. And it gets worse for us. We can't

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ever get ahead. It just mutates and becomes something

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else. Yeah. I'm not a bioscientist. I'm not a

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chemist. Wait, that's not even the right group

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here. I'm not someone who has any degree in this

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or knows anything. I just can look at what we

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do with our birds and see that the vaccine we

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use this year, the following year, we need a

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whole different vaccine because it's now mutated.

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And how often can we chase a mutation before

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it just becomes something we can't treat? Yeah.

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And I'm kind of worried that that's where we're

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at with AI and we make it stronger every time

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we vaccinate for it. Of course, the birds that

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spread it are what? Geese. Where do geese go?

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Canada to Mexico. Yep. So they're getting it

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in Mexico with this new strain and then bringing

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it up here and everything we've ever done to

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treat it doesn't work. Yep. I just, it worries

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me, man. I don't think we've got an epidemic

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on the rise or anything. I mean, it doesn't get

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to people, but. Yeah. We just might have an issue

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of food shortage. Yeah, and maybe that's all

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in the plan. I mean, we all know I'm a government

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skeptic. I always joke that they're going by

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with fogger machines and fogging my birds with

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MG. That's how they got sick. You are very suspicious.

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He's like, you see this farmer over here who's

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working his ass off every day? Let's make his

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life harder. No. Oh, no, man. I just... Sorry

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to do ten -ish minutes of turkey talk. We should

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start a turkey talk radio. That would be fucking

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sick, dude. Maybe we could get my boss to be

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a sponsor and we could have the Walcott's official

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Turkey Talk Radio. I wonder how many episodes

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we'll get of that one. One a year. One a year.

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What's your yearly quota now this year? Yeah,

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no, life's just been lifin', man. I know you've

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had a lot of shit going on. We haven't even done

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working weekends every weekend. No, we have not.

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Mark's like, fuck this guy. Yeah, because the

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last one we actually majorly did was Labor Day.

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I'm trying to think, what have I done to my 4Runner

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that we haven't talked about? Oh, my Rock Lights.

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Your Rock Lights. You just put those on this

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weekend. Yeah, I got some Switchback. Yeah, yeah.

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I did some switchback rock lights, so they switch

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between amber and white. And it's a true amber.

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Like, it's pretty. Yep. I think they were, like,

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$70. I swear I added a mile and a half of wire

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to my truck, dude. Like, oh, my God. I mean,

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to be fair, I did have a lot of wire that I cut

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off because I had to cut them off and put them

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in the holes I drilled. Yeah. But, no, I mean,

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I'm impressed with them. The big thing I wanted

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was I wanted switchbacks because I want amber

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so I look cool in the Instagram reels. But I

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wanted white so that when I break something on

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the truck, I can just turn a rock light on and

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be able to see whatever I'm working on without

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having to hold a light or a headlamp or any of

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that shit. Yeah, and I think it would help us

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at working at night on the vehicle instead of

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having, oh, we need a flashlight over here. No,

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we need it over here. You can get at least. 20

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of the truck lit up you can work on other areas

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without a flashlight yeah everything top down

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man i mean i've got two two leds per wheel well

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two on the front and two on the rear the two

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on the front and two on the rear they're not

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helpful at all but i got a 12 pack and had to

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have somewhere to put them so yeah that's where

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they ended up so now we need to put a light underneath

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your hood I do have some ideas on that. I'm thinking

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about running some type of waterproof USB -C

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or something. I want to do a USB -C mag light

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with a battery on it that I can magnet under

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the hood so I can see just by lifting the hood,

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but then I can just pull it off real quick and

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use it when I need it. That's actually not a

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bad idea. I just saw a product like that. I just

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don't remember where I saw it at. That's kind

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of what I've been thinking. And less wires to

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run. Yeah. And we can move underneath the truck

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if we needed more lighting somewhere. Yeah. So

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I had a, back in high school, I had an 88 Chevy

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pickup, C1500. And it had a light under the hood

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with a long cord. that would reach all the way

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to the back of the truck so if you had to like

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change a tire you could just grab the the light

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from the engine bay pull it around and it had

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like a little ratchet system so like i want that

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but wireless yeah um yeah so i mean forerunner

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lighting's coming along i don't have a whole

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lot to do the forerunner now um Like I said,

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it's ticking. I think it's just probably a spark

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plug. It just needs tightened. Yep. I also have

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a sinking suspicion that my lower control arm

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bushings are bad. Oh. Which I'm not surprised.

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They're white line bushings, but they were in

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the lower control arm when we took it off the

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crawler. Okay, I was about to say, we didn't

00:16:04.950 --> 00:16:06.809
replace the lower ones. We only did the uppers,

00:16:06.809 --> 00:16:10.690
right? Yep. And I tested the uppers. They seem

00:16:10.690 --> 00:16:15.120
fine. Because I recently had to do wheel bearings.

00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.419
Yeah. But I didn't test the lowers at that time.

00:16:18.500 --> 00:16:24.519
So next situation would be that. Just maintenance,

00:16:24.659 --> 00:16:26.159
man. I still have that hole in my frame that

00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:27.700
your brother needs to patch before wintertime.

00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:34.379
Uh -huh. Oh, since we pretty much chopped the

00:16:34.379 --> 00:16:38.019
inner fender well, I just need to get the bracket

00:16:38.019 --> 00:16:40.620
relocated from C4. It's like 200 -something.

00:16:42.059 --> 00:16:48.860
For what? The cab mount relocate. Oh, cool. So

00:16:48.860 --> 00:16:51.860
I can fit bigger tires. That's convenient. Because

00:16:51.860 --> 00:16:54.100
originally I was looking at a kit that had the

00:16:54.100 --> 00:16:59.019
inner, pretty much you lift the fender liner

00:16:59.019 --> 00:17:01.860
up a little bit to match for the bigger tires.

00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:05.940
Yeah, that's the other thing I put off getting

00:17:05.940 --> 00:17:09.200
35s and just bought a 33 to replace my dry rotted

00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:15.809
one. Same tire, just it's used even with a little

00:17:15.809 --> 00:17:17.690
bit of wear, so it's similar to the ones I have

00:17:17.690 --> 00:17:24.349
on there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, 4Runner's doing

00:17:24.349 --> 00:17:29.150
4Runner things. I still need to get some 2x4s

00:17:29.150 --> 00:17:34.349
and redo my table slide just to make it prettier.

00:17:34.630 --> 00:17:38.190
Yeah. I think I might throw some carpet over

00:17:38.190 --> 00:17:41.759
that at some point. actually you're running carpet

00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.160
um do you still want that rubber latch that i

00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:49.960
got for mine since i have that spare yeah like

00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:54.099
i do but at the same time mine doesn't move no

00:17:54.099 --> 00:17:56.160
i'm about saying you have a door to block it

00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.700
from moving so yeah so i'm not overly worried

00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:02.180
about it we'll see what happens when we go wheeling

00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:04.819
and maybe it bounces out and hits the door and

00:18:04.819 --> 00:18:09.849
drives me nuts But don't throw the latch away.

00:18:09.950 --> 00:18:11.809
We might have a use for it. Yeah, no, I don't

00:18:11.809 --> 00:18:13.529
plan on throwing it away, especially if I had

00:18:13.529 --> 00:18:16.190
something happen to mine I got a spare one to

00:18:16.190 --> 00:18:22.390
swap it out with. Duncan's been working on that

00:18:22.390 --> 00:18:25.750
roof rack project. I'm probably going to end

00:18:25.750 --> 00:18:29.309
up doing a roof rack pretty soon. Okay. Because

00:18:29.309 --> 00:18:31.769
I would like to be able to throw the swag on

00:18:31.769 --> 00:18:34.470
something. Because right now I put the swag up

00:18:34.470 --> 00:18:37.559
there. and yeah i can strap it down in two spots

00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:39.660
but it just kind of sits on the roof of my truck

00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:42.880
it does and floats it doesn't have a solid mount

00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.180
all the way across it does not have a solid mount

00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:51.019
at all yeah i uh i still think the swag's the

00:18:51.019 --> 00:18:55.480
way to go man um i mean i like having something

00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:58.660
that packs down smaller is very nice don't don't

00:18:58.660 --> 00:19:03.900
get it twisted no um but Overall, I mean, I like,

00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.259
I just unroll my tent, and there's somewhere

00:19:06.259 --> 00:19:08.339
for all three of us to sleep. Like, it's fucking

00:19:08.339 --> 00:19:12.440
killer. Yeah. For your situation, if you didn't

00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:16.599
have camp solo, it works for you. Yeah, and if

00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:19.819
I, like I said, I want to look for some type

00:19:19.819 --> 00:19:22.039
of cargo box for the roof to put it in, because

00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.019
that way I can protect it a little. Yeah. But,

00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:30.019
I mean, overall, it just works. Uh, the dog did

00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:32.640
have his first accident in the dog swag because

00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:35.759
neither I nor Kaylin remembered he had to go

00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.720
outside when we got home today. Oh no. Yeah.

00:19:38.980 --> 00:19:43.160
So he pissed and shit all over in there. But

00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:46.259
with that bathtub, it was super easy to clean

00:19:46.259 --> 00:19:48.079
up. Like we just took the shit out, wiped it

00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:52.920
down. Boom. It was done. Nice. So 23, zero. Still

00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:54.700
makes good product, even if their chair sucks.

00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:58.779
Oh, dude, I got to ship that out. What's the

00:19:58.779 --> 00:20:03.720
date today? I believe the 18th. I got to ship

00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:06.920
that out, like, tomorrow. I think I've got until

00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:19.539
the 23rd. Let me check that. Yeah, like. I think

00:20:19.539 --> 00:20:22.240
you heard that conversation. It's just how they

00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:24.240
made that base. It should be spread out like

00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:29.599
your team. Yeah. Like the chair itself, the material

00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:31.980
way better than the team. Oh, a hundred percent.

00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.160
And even the frame itself, it's so solid and

00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:39.279
well built. Yup. And then it's just the tippiest

00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:44.119
damn chair you've ever sat in. Just needs a different

00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.720
layout. Everything else is fine. Just a different

00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:54.450
layout. I really want, they've got these, I typed

00:20:54.450 --> 00:20:57.509
in 23 -0 and it showed me everything but 23 -0.

00:21:01.589 --> 00:21:05.250
They've got this other one I really like. It's

00:21:05.250 --> 00:21:09.329
like a bungee folding chair, basically. But the

00:21:09.329 --> 00:21:12.750
problem is, it's too freaking big for the 4Runner.

00:21:12.809 --> 00:21:19.279
Yeah. It's what I always run into. So, eventually,

00:21:19.420 --> 00:21:21.460
I'll get another chair and solve it. But right

00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:24.099
now, I'm just rocking my little Timu chairs.

00:21:24.579 --> 00:21:26.839
Yep. They work for you. That's all that matters.

00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:30.720
Yeah. I wish that someone made a more comfortable

00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.700
small pack -up chair. That would be killer. Yeah.

00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:37.400
Because, again, Forerunner does not have much

00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:43.619
space at all. Nope. Yeah, I mean, I haven't even

00:21:43.619 --> 00:21:46.880
bought gear, man. I've been... Man, I think this

00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:49.519
is the most non -off -roady I've been in a long

00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:54.160
time. I've been working on merch. Go check out

00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:58.079
our merch store. Oh, yeah. I added t -shirts

00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:01.779
today. I don't even know what's on the public

00:22:01.779 --> 00:22:07.299
store. I'm actually working on a hockey jersey.

00:22:12.840 --> 00:22:14.960
Okay, yeah, the only thing I've added is a T

00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:16.940
-shirt, but I misspelled it, so it's a T -shire.

00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:21.819
T -shire. Originally, I was going to say the

00:22:21.819 --> 00:22:23.779
hockey jerseys for yearly. I'm like, wait a minute,

00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:26.039
this is a long sleeve. It's going to suck during

00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:30.119
the summertime. No, but if we did the year that...

00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:35.299
Man, let's not talk about yearly shirts. We can't

00:22:35.299 --> 00:22:37.140
talk too much. Yeah, I know. We can't talk too

00:22:37.140 --> 00:22:39.819
much. Unless you think we can do the hockey.

00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:43.660
I think we can. We just have to have two that

00:22:43.660 --> 00:22:46.319
year. One for winter and one for summer. Oh,

00:22:46.500 --> 00:22:54.279
okay. I can see that. Yeah, I think it would

00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.960
work. Yeah, so right now our public store is

00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:00.559
pretty small. We've got a t -shirt, the license

00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:02.940
plate, the flag, the Hawaiian shirt, a hoodie,

00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:08.299
and then a bunch of small stuff. Yep. I mean,

00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:10.839
it's worth checking out, man. We're adding new

00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:15.940
stuff pretty regularly. We've got... I don't

00:23:15.940 --> 00:23:19.740
even know if I have the botches internal pulled

00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:25.440
up. Yeah, we've got a trucker hat, which is a

00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:28.200
Richardson 112, because I know a lot of people

00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.480
think that's important that that's what it is,

00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:34.660
but we got one of those that's currently on the

00:23:34.660 --> 00:23:37.569
docket to get tested. I like that maroon and

00:23:37.569 --> 00:23:41.190
gold. I do, too. Gavin had a really good point

00:23:41.190 --> 00:23:45.150
about making the logo gold. I think Shane rocked

00:23:45.150 --> 00:23:50.630
that a lot in his rig. It matches Shane's truck.

00:23:50.849 --> 00:23:54.890
It does. Yeah, I haven't decided if I want the

00:23:54.890 --> 00:23:57.789
army green one or the maroon one, but they're

00:23:57.789 --> 00:24:03.210
both fucking sick, dude. And then I think...

00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.720
We've got a denim jacket on the internal, and

00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.380
I really need to order one because I need a coat

00:24:09.380 --> 00:24:13.940
anyway. But that's quickly going to be $100.

00:24:14.619 --> 00:24:20.259
Yeah. I think that's really all we've got that's

00:24:20.259 --> 00:24:23.839
going to become customer -facing, though. Maybe

00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:25.720
if someone ever orders the underwear and makes

00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:32.980
sure it's comfortable. Maybe I'll order those

00:24:32.980 --> 00:24:37.359
too. I'm kind of tired of the idea of bomber

00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:40.319
jackets. I just haven't decided the theme style.

00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:44.720
I was thinking like NASCAR racing almost. Yeah,

00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.859
bombers would be sick. It's just anything that's

00:24:47.859 --> 00:24:50.900
expensive like that, I'm scared because I almost

00:24:50.900 --> 00:24:53.759
don't want to order it to test it. Yeah. And

00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:56.480
then sizing is a lot. It's kind of hard because

00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:00.099
a lot of that only goes up to 2XL. Well, we're

00:25:00.099 --> 00:25:04.789
all big guys. Yeah. Except Shane. Shane's, you

00:25:04.789 --> 00:25:09.089
know, a bean, but... Uh -huh. For the most part,

00:25:09.150 --> 00:25:11.289
all of us botches, we're pretty good -sized people.

00:25:11.849 --> 00:25:18.410
Yeah, we are. But yeah, merch store's cool. Go

00:25:18.410 --> 00:25:21.650
check out the merch store. Mm -hmm. Has anything

00:25:21.650 --> 00:25:23.930
new even happened in the off -road space? I feel

00:25:23.930 --> 00:25:26.529
like it's kind of been like a dead area lately.

00:25:27.109 --> 00:25:30.640
Uh... I guess you want to deal with King of the

00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:33.000
Hammers and their flight space because the Marines

00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.599
are trying to expand their testing grounds. Dude,

00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:41.799
that shit's fucking crazy. And if you think about

00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:43.640
it, right, so the Marines are trying to take

00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:46.000
over the airspace, only the airspace, right?

00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:47.740
Yeah, it's just the airspace. And you're like,

00:25:47.779 --> 00:25:52.799
it's like, ah, big deal, right? Like, we do stuff

00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:57.960
on the ground. Well, let's say... I don't know.

00:25:58.019 --> 00:26:01.519
Jim, Jim Buffett, right? He's out bombing around

00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.000
in his Ranger and he rolls his Ranger and gets

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.700
pinned. We can't call a helicopter in to rescue

00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:11.900
him now. Nope. Like it's not just, it's not just

00:26:11.900 --> 00:26:17.400
a filming situation or no, uh, it's fully. It's

00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.039
a safety problem to take away the airspace. Yeah,

00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:22.700
both safety and you got your small airfields

00:26:22.700 --> 00:26:24.680
around that area are going to get affected by

00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.380
it. Even, I think, commercially is being affected.

00:26:28.579 --> 00:26:31.559
Yeah, I... The Marines have been trying to take

00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.819
over the King of the Hammers area for quite a

00:26:34.819 --> 00:26:37.059
while, dude. Like, Johnson Valley is always under

00:26:37.059 --> 00:26:43.630
attack. Yep. But... I know for a long time they

00:26:43.630 --> 00:26:45.190
had, like, some kind of working relationship

00:26:45.190 --> 00:26:47.849
with the Marines, and it just, it feels out of

00:26:47.849 --> 00:26:50.890
the blue for them to be pulling this crap like

00:26:50.890 --> 00:26:53.809
this. Well, yeah, and, like, if I understood

00:26:53.809 --> 00:26:56.190
right, they only train, like, 20 % of the year

00:26:56.190 --> 00:27:03.410
out for that area. Yeah. So it's not worth trying

00:27:03.410 --> 00:27:06.450
to shut down the whole airspace just for 20 %

00:27:06.450 --> 00:27:16.910
of the year. Oh. What? GME radios are officially

00:27:16.910 --> 00:27:21.630
launched in the U .S. Oh. Is that the Australian

00:27:21.630 --> 00:27:25.069
ones? Yeah, that's the Australian GMRS radios

00:27:25.069 --> 00:27:30.250
that are, like, step above Midland, like, way

00:27:30.250 --> 00:27:33.450
above Midland. That's kind of cool. But they

00:27:33.450 --> 00:27:39.009
show upgrades? Yeah, because they even... So

00:27:39.009 --> 00:27:41.390
the cool thing about GME is they're like our

00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:44.390
Midland MXTs where the box can be mounted anywhere.

00:27:44.690 --> 00:27:47.430
Yeah. It's the same setup. The only problem is

00:27:47.430 --> 00:27:49.809
I don't think it uses a cat five cable. Oh, it

00:27:49.809 --> 00:27:55.230
does. It totally uses a cat five cable. So we

00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:57.710
can literally put the box anywhere and then just

00:27:57.710 --> 00:28:01.890
run a cord for the mic like that. All right.

00:28:03.150 --> 00:28:09.309
I bet they're expensive. Probably. Very likely,

00:28:09.430 --> 00:28:12.890
hence the reason why we still have the T -75s.

00:28:14.269 --> 00:28:20.869
Yeah, the MXC 275s. Yeah, 275s, yeah. Yeah, I'm

00:28:20.869 --> 00:28:23.289
just scrolling off -road news to see if there's

00:28:23.289 --> 00:28:26.130
anything, like, worth talking about. I'm trying

00:28:26.130 --> 00:28:28.529
to think if there's anything else. Like, I'm

00:28:28.529 --> 00:28:30.589
telling you, dude, it's been kind of a dead space

00:28:30.589 --> 00:28:36.890
lately. Yeah. Oh, shit. Nest out just, or nest

00:28:36.890 --> 00:28:39.289
out. You remember those really cool flashlight

00:28:39.289 --> 00:28:42.089
battery banks I showed you a while ago? Yes.

00:28:42.650 --> 00:28:45.609
I think I know what you're talking about. That

00:28:45.609 --> 00:28:48.289
brand just came out with a new power bank that's

00:28:48.289 --> 00:28:50.769
way better than any of the other ones I've seen.

00:28:51.049 --> 00:28:57.089
Oh. Not that... I'm pulling it up right now.

00:28:57.890 --> 00:29:01.309
Not that I have any real interest... Oh, it's

00:29:01.309 --> 00:29:07.750
not official yet. It's just been announced. These

00:29:07.750 --> 00:29:14.750
assholes. Yeah, this sucks, man. I want to sit

00:29:14.750 --> 00:29:17.509
here and tell everyone all the cool new off -road

00:29:17.509 --> 00:29:23.509
news, but there ain't none. It's that time of

00:29:23.509 --> 00:29:27.910
year, you know? We get into that dead time. And

00:29:27.910 --> 00:29:29.670
it's not really dead time. People are going to

00:29:29.670 --> 00:29:33.589
events. Overland of America just happened. Yeah,

00:29:33.670 --> 00:29:39.740
we had Core. yep core but it just it's not the

00:29:39.740 --> 00:29:41.779
stuff that we get to go do because we're broke

00:29:41.779 --> 00:29:47.339
bitches and can't get time off work so yeah that's

00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:50.460
more over that's way more overland than off -road

00:29:50.460 --> 00:30:01.660
i'd say but it counts it does yeah i uh i got

00:30:01.660 --> 00:30:06.990
a couple so i put in With 23 .0 to be a brand

00:30:06.990 --> 00:30:10.329
ambassador. Uh -huh. Because I was talking to

00:30:10.329 --> 00:30:13.430
a guy who said I should, one of the 23 .0 guys.

00:30:13.730 --> 00:30:18.529
Yeah. And they only accept you if you have, like,

00:30:18.569 --> 00:30:23.630
5 ,000 followers on Instagram. Oh. So go like

00:30:23.630 --> 00:30:27.150
me on Instagram, guys. I'd appreciate it. And

00:30:27.150 --> 00:30:30.130
Alex needs to start posting more Reels of Daily

00:30:30.130 --> 00:30:37.009
now. That is why I'm trying to buy a new phone.

00:30:37.930 --> 00:30:40.549
Because as much as I love my flip phone, it's

00:30:40.549 --> 00:30:44.190
time to step away from it, I think. We should

00:30:44.190 --> 00:30:46.630
wheel every weekend, even if it may or may not

00:30:46.630 --> 00:30:49.569
be the same area. Just to get different footage.

00:30:50.809 --> 00:30:53.950
Yeah. I think we're going to go Friday, right?

00:30:54.730 --> 00:30:58.509
Yep. Go do a little bit Friday night. I don't

00:30:58.509 --> 00:31:00.569
know about being recording or anything, but...

00:31:03.879 --> 00:31:07.720
Get out and talk about it. It's all stuff we've

00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.559
done. That's the problem. And it's also nighttime.

00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:12.819
It's kind of hard to record nighttime footage

00:31:12.819 --> 00:31:16.079
half the time. We just got to get better gear.

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:21.000
Yeah. But, you know, wherever you're at right

00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.759
now, it just changed your sound so much. Oh,

00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.960
I just leaned back, so that's probably why. No,

00:31:27.019 --> 00:31:33.240
it sounded good. Oh. Yeah, we really should.

00:31:33.299 --> 00:31:35.359
I want to look at some cameras, but I don't want

00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.900
to get GoPros because they hate me, apparently.

00:31:39.339 --> 00:31:45.440
And I break them. Yeah, who breaks GoPros? Not

00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.380
like they get dropped from planes or anything.

00:31:50.660 --> 00:31:54.059
I'm looking to see if there's a lot on eBay of

00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:59.759
just a bunch of GoPros someone's selling. There's

00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:03.220
a lot of 10 that are all for repair, and they're

00:32:03.220 --> 00:32:05.680
all Hero 8 Blacks like mine, and they all look

00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.160
like they have the same problem mine does. So

00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:15.180
that's cool. Sounds like they also have an issue

00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:18.940
with customer service. They do, dude. That's

00:32:18.940 --> 00:32:22.519
why I'm not the biggest fan. Like, GoPro 10 years

00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:27.500
ago was great. Yeah. GoPro today, eh. They're

00:32:27.500 --> 00:32:37.039
eh. Yeah. I don't know. We'll get something around.

00:32:37.099 --> 00:32:38.799
I do want to start doing some more stuff with

00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:45.460
YouTube, so. Yeah. Make some better videos than

00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:50.839
the crappy one I put out already. Oh, I need

00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:54.319
to do that still. Since you did it. The walk

00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.539
around? Yeah, the walk around. It's so hard.

00:33:00.220 --> 00:33:05.109
Like. The recording is fine. Yeah. I wouldn't

00:33:05.109 --> 00:33:06.950
necessarily do it here because I have a lot of

00:33:06.950 --> 00:33:12.009
road noise, and you do at home as well. We could

00:33:12.009 --> 00:33:16.609
probably get away with the backside of my dad's

00:33:16.609 --> 00:33:20.950
field. Mm -hmm. Probably do some recording back

00:33:20.950 --> 00:33:23.890
there. Yeah, we could always go out to our cords

00:33:23.890 --> 00:33:27.710
and calf area we did. That would work as well.

00:33:28.990 --> 00:33:31.529
Mixed point would not be a terrible option. Yeah,

00:33:31.609 --> 00:33:35.329
I'm trying to remember the name of it. Quartz

00:33:35.329 --> 00:33:37.250
and calf was great, man. I can't wait until we

00:33:37.250 --> 00:33:41.670
do another one of those. Yeah. I wish we had

00:33:41.670 --> 00:33:44.349
time to run up to the spot we're talking about

00:33:44.349 --> 00:33:49.289
for a couple weeks from now. Yeah, yeah. Because

00:33:49.289 --> 00:33:52.250
we need to get that coordinate out soon. Yep,

00:33:52.289 --> 00:33:59.309
we sure do. Advertise it, apparently, too. Yeah.

00:34:01.930 --> 00:34:04.009
That way no one thinks that we're leaving them

00:34:04.009 --> 00:34:11.309
out of the loop. Yeah. Oh, man. The drama that

00:34:11.309 --> 00:34:13.590
goes on in off -roading, dude. It's fucking ridiculous.

00:34:15.789 --> 00:34:18.289
Like, we're just a bunch of people trying to

00:34:18.289 --> 00:34:20.030
get out in the woods. Why does there have to

00:34:20.030 --> 00:34:24.590
be drama surrounding that? Yeah. There's no point

00:34:24.590 --> 00:34:33.250
of it. What do I got marked here? Oh, hey. From

00:34:33.250 --> 00:34:38.550
42625, I have a coordinate or a waypoint that

00:34:38.550 --> 00:34:41.750
says tire, pick up later. We never picked it

00:34:41.750 --> 00:34:46.289
up later. I forgot about that. I feel like there's

00:34:46.289 --> 00:34:48.909
another one or two for that route, too, that

00:34:48.909 --> 00:34:50.230
we saw when you took off from the bathroom. Hey,

00:34:50.349 --> 00:34:54.289
at least we marked the trash. At least we marked

00:34:54.289 --> 00:34:56.969
the trash, even if we didn't pick the trash up.

00:34:57.150 --> 00:35:02.469
Yep. God, we're terrible people. To be fair,

00:35:02.590 --> 00:35:06.090
you were in a rush to get to a bathroom. Probably.

00:35:06.190 --> 00:35:09.849
That sounds pretty accurate. And then I was leading

00:35:09.849 --> 00:35:11.789
the group training, remember how to get back

00:35:11.789 --> 00:35:17.409
to camp. Oh, yeah, because that's the one where

00:35:17.409 --> 00:35:19.710
I just, like, floored it. Yes, you're just like,

00:35:19.829 --> 00:35:22.090
God. I'm like, oh, they definitely need to go

00:35:22.090 --> 00:35:28.730
to the bathroom. Yeah. Huh. Looks like there's

00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:33.329
a new trail up in Everett. Oh? It's called Westside

00:35:33.329 --> 00:35:39.210
Everett. It's by Ups and Downs. Hmm. Yeah, we

00:35:39.210 --> 00:35:44.110
have definitely never been here before. Intriguing.

00:35:44.750 --> 00:35:46.670
Sounds like we do need to get up there then.

00:35:46.710 --> 00:35:51.469
Check that out as well. Maybe we have. This mud

00:35:51.469 --> 00:35:55.710
hole looks familiar. Oh. Oh, this is the one

00:35:55.710 --> 00:36:00.480
with the vagina trail. Oh. Yeah, we've been there

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:07.340
before. Yeah. No longer has a placard. Yeah,

00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:09.199
no longer has a placard. Someone stole that.

00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:11.599
Stole it and they're like, oh, this is profanity.

00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:15.900
Get out of here. Yeah, Everett's pretty great,

00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.340
man. For something that's semi -local that just

00:36:19.340 --> 00:36:22.440
has good stuff. Yeah. You can't do much better

00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.050
than that. I'd like to get a little farther north,

00:36:25.150 --> 00:36:27.289
but there's still stuff down here in Manistee

00:36:27.289 --> 00:36:30.789
we haven't seen. I know. We were talking to our

00:36:30.789 --> 00:36:33.989
coworker about we talked about going to Grayling,

00:36:34.030 --> 00:36:36.110
but we just have not gotten a chance to get up

00:36:36.110 --> 00:36:39.869
that way. Yeah, and Grayling's fine and all.

00:36:39.949 --> 00:36:41.949
I've wheeled a bit up in Grayling. It's just

00:36:41.949 --> 00:36:47.190
sand and, like, that's it. It's just sand. Yeah.

00:36:48.110 --> 00:36:50.429
It's nothing we don't get down here, so it's

00:36:50.429 --> 00:36:52.510
hard for me to be like, yo, we have to do this.

00:36:55.409 --> 00:36:57.389
I've heard there's quite some gnarly hill climbs,

00:36:57.469 --> 00:36:59.110
though, but other than that, that's about it.

00:37:00.690 --> 00:37:06.849
Yeah, we got those in Nuevo County. I know. There's

00:37:06.849 --> 00:37:10.969
definitely a lot. I guess when my coworkers were

00:37:10.969 --> 00:37:13.230
up there, the army was trying to get a low boy

00:37:13.230 --> 00:37:15.869
up the one sand hill that runs across the pipeline.

00:37:19.110 --> 00:37:21.449
Like, yeah, I don't think that would be climbing

00:37:21.449 --> 00:37:28.710
that hill anytime soon. All right, dude. What

00:37:28.710 --> 00:37:30.489
do you think? We're at 40 minutes. You think

00:37:30.489 --> 00:37:33.670
that's good enough to call it? There's just not

00:37:33.670 --> 00:37:36.510
much to talk about. Yeah, I think we about ran

00:37:36.510 --> 00:37:39.880
this dry. And I don't want the listeners to just

00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:41.940
have to sit and listen to us talk about fucking

00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:44.780
nothing. We can talk about that weird -ass room

00:37:44.780 --> 00:37:50.679
you're in, though. Oh. Yeah, the... The wannabe

00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.280
desert room? Yeah, the wannabe desert room is

00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:56.980
the best way to describe it. Like, it is the

00:37:56.980 --> 00:37:59.500
weird... Someone painted these red mountains

00:37:59.500 --> 00:38:02.119
all the way around this room. Like, it's weird.

00:38:02.739 --> 00:38:05.719
And the lines are not even rock -looking. It

00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:12.349
just looks like, um... Heartbeat monitors. Yeah.

00:38:13.869 --> 00:38:16.429
What's that white thing to your left? Is that

00:38:16.429 --> 00:38:18.210
a projector screen? That's a projector screen.

00:38:18.449 --> 00:38:23.510
Cody was using it for his projector. Damn, Cody.

00:38:23.670 --> 00:38:29.289
That's been there for a minute. Yes. I could

00:38:29.289 --> 00:38:32.610
use that often. That's why it's a good spot for

00:38:32.610 --> 00:38:34.349
you to record. It also, for whatever reason,

00:38:34.409 --> 00:38:39.039
sounds the best. Yeah. I know it's... Plywood

00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.940
wall, cement floor. I think it's just spaced

00:38:42.940 --> 00:38:45.599
just enough and doesn't have cement walls all

00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:50.059
the way around, so it's not really echoey. I

00:38:50.059 --> 00:38:51.800
get a little bit of echo, but nothing crazy.

00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.900
No, but compared to the small room I was in where

00:38:55.900 --> 00:38:57.760
I had a cement wall right in front of me, and

00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.000
that was a small one. That room sucks. Yeah.

00:39:03.179 --> 00:39:06.519
All right, man. I will catch you later. I'll

00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.110
catch the listeners later. Thanks for listening

00:39:09.110 --> 00:39:12.090
to us talk about literally nothing to do with

00:39:12.090 --> 00:39:16.809
off -road. And someday we will get out and be

00:39:16.809 --> 00:39:19.510
big boys again and do stuff and then we can talk

00:39:19.510 --> 00:39:24.130
about it. Yep. So, I will catch you guys later.

00:39:24.409 --> 00:39:24.889
Later.
