WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.859 Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk 00:00:02.859 --> 00:00:05.080 about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:07.519 tank camping to rock landing, and all things 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:10.439 to do with the outdoors. Today we have Scotty 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:13.119 Thunderfox. Scotty, you don't have a YouTube 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:15.179 channel or anything, right? You're just Scotty 00:00:15.179 --> 00:00:19.739 Thunderfox on everything? So I do have, like, 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:21.300 Facebook is probably my main thing, but there 00:00:21.300 --> 00:00:26.160 is Thunderfox Garage on YouTube. So there's a 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:29.100 couple of videos on there. We're hoping with 00:00:29.100 --> 00:00:31.739 this upcoming trip, I'm going to make a full 00:00:31.739 --> 00:00:35.939 video series for everything. Yeah, this upcoming 00:00:35.939 --> 00:00:40.780 trip, I'm pretty excited about it. I'm so jealous, 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:43.100 man. I can't even hide it. Oh, the one you're 00:00:43.100 --> 00:00:47.079 going to? Okay. I thought you were saying that 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:48.740 you were going somewhere, too, and I was like, 00:00:48.820 --> 00:00:52.079 I didn't hear about this. I mean... That would 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:55.780 be awesome, but I doubt it'll ever happen. So 00:00:55.780 --> 00:00:57.240 where is this? Because I don't know that I heard 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:03.740 about that. So I made it onto Unreal Adventure 00:01:03.740 --> 00:01:07.719 2025. Oh, yeah. Okay, I did see that. I thought 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.819 it was something like Canada or something. No. 00:01:13.019 --> 00:01:16.760 Yeah, UA has always been my dream. When I started 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:19.159 building the TJ, it was solely because I wanted 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:23.730 to go on UA. That is really cool. That was the 00:01:23.730 --> 00:01:28.290 main purpose of the AMC. Was it? That was what 00:01:28.290 --> 00:01:31.329 I wanted to do, and I knew that there hasn't 00:01:31.329 --> 00:01:34.709 been an AMC on UA, so that's usually how it goes. 00:01:34.750 --> 00:01:38.549 It works out pretty well that way. And so, yeah, 00:01:38.569 --> 00:01:41.569 just the past three years, I want to say, is 00:01:41.569 --> 00:01:43.530 I've just been working to get it to this point. 00:01:43.769 --> 00:01:48.090 I mean, there's been AMCs, just never an Eagle. 00:01:49.650 --> 00:01:53.310 Oh, yeah, especially a two -door. Yeah. No, the 00:01:53.310 --> 00:01:56.769 S6 -4 is sick, man. I just saw another one today 00:01:56.769 --> 00:01:59.750 that looked more like a race car than an off 00:01:59.750 --> 00:02:05.150 -road rig. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I actually tried to 00:02:05.150 --> 00:02:07.629 buy an Eagle when I was 15, and my dad told me 00:02:07.629 --> 00:02:13.750 no. I still hold a grudge about it. So the guy 00:02:13.750 --> 00:02:17.330 that I got mine from actually had like four or 00:02:17.330 --> 00:02:19.969 five of these things. that he got from an estate 00:02:19.969 --> 00:02:23.889 sale. And I picked pretty much the best one that 00:02:23.889 --> 00:02:27.770 was the most solid and brought it home and just 00:02:27.770 --> 00:02:30.949 started tearing things apart and ripping all 00:02:30.949 --> 00:02:35.050 the IFS out in the rear axle. And what was funny 00:02:35.050 --> 00:02:37.569 is the original plan was I was just going to 00:02:37.569 --> 00:02:40.650 buy an XJ and I was going to swap the XJ drivetrain 00:02:40.650 --> 00:02:46.020 into it. Super simple. But my good friend Justin, 00:02:46.300 --> 00:02:50.639 who is LS swap the world kind of guy, was like, 00:02:50.699 --> 00:02:54.039 just do it. Just do it. Just do an LS swap. And 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:58.520 yeah, I do not regret it one bit. Oh, yeah. So 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:00.539 wait, what are you using as like the base frame? 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:05.599 Is that a JKU? It is stock Unibody. Oh, yeah. 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:10.110 Oh. I thought you swapped the frame out, too. 00:03:10.250 --> 00:03:12.430 I thought it was just basically the body on there. 00:03:13.569 --> 00:03:19.210 I'm not a fan of unibody on -frame swaps. I mean, 00:03:19.229 --> 00:03:22.610 they can be done nice, but usually they don't 00:03:22.610 --> 00:03:25.629 look all that nice. So the unibody was decent. 00:03:25.810 --> 00:03:28.610 I just built all my own custom frame stiffeners 00:03:28.610 --> 00:03:32.729 for the entire car. So they're like a two -part 00:03:32.729 --> 00:03:35.150 unibody. They separate in the middle of the car. 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:39.740 And I actually built a connecting subframe to 00:03:39.740 --> 00:03:42.159 connect those two parts to make it stronger. 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.159 It's interesting that AMC did that on the Eagle 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.659 because I worked on a Javelin and it split in 00:03:48.659 --> 00:03:52.539 almost the same spot as an Eagle. I mean, obviously 00:03:52.539 --> 00:03:54.699 not the same because the Javelin is a drastically 00:03:54.699 --> 00:03:58.500 different design. But, you know, it's like almost 00:03:58.500 --> 00:04:00.620 halfway through the doors. Is it the same spot 00:04:00.620 --> 00:04:07.659 on the Eagle? Yep. Yep. Wow. That's crazy. God, 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.219 this thing is beautiful. What's funny is I was 00:04:10.219 --> 00:04:14.620 super close to not ever building an AMC. I was 00:04:14.620 --> 00:04:18.819 actually set to go pick up a Ford Pinto. It was 00:04:18.819 --> 00:04:21.800 already completely stripped. I was like, this 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:25.360 will be perfect. It was supposed to rain and 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:27.139 he didn't want anybody coming to get it in the 00:04:27.139 --> 00:04:31.519 rain to mess up his yard. I came across the guy 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.889 with the AMC Eagles. I was like, I kind of like 00:04:34.889 --> 00:04:38.329 this better than the Pinto. AMCs have always 00:04:38.329 --> 00:04:41.689 been kind of a really cool -looking car brand. 00:04:42.709 --> 00:04:44.910 They haven't really had a bunch of super ugly 00:04:44.910 --> 00:04:49.750 ones or anything. My first car was an AMC, and 00:04:49.750 --> 00:04:53.889 then my third car was an AMC. I have a huge love 00:04:53.889 --> 00:04:57.790 for AMCs. I always just liked the wagon look 00:04:57.790 --> 00:05:01.870 of them. I was just like, I like odd cars. Not 00:05:01.870 --> 00:05:05.790 that AMCs are odd, but they're not, like, the 00:05:05.790 --> 00:05:09.250 generic. AMC came out with the Gremlin. They're 00:05:09.250 --> 00:05:14.129 very odd. Yeah. I mean, the AMC, I forget which 00:05:14.129 --> 00:05:15.850 one it is. It's just kind of like the regular, 00:05:15.889 --> 00:05:21.230 like, muscle car. Probably the Javelin. Javelin, 00:05:21.230 --> 00:05:23.170 probably. Probably the Javelin. I really liked 00:05:23.170 --> 00:05:27.209 how that looked. It was one of my... Yep, yep, 00:05:27.670 --> 00:05:30.709 yep. Yeah, that's one of my favorite. muscle 00:05:30.709 --> 00:05:36.209 cars out there it's just it's just so sexy so 00:05:36.209 --> 00:05:43.329 i would love to build a wagon um i thought it 00:05:43.329 --> 00:05:45.370 would always be kind of cool to take like a wagon 00:05:45.370 --> 00:05:48.610 and build into like a tow rig and to haul the 00:05:48.610 --> 00:05:51.790 sx4 yeah um i think that would be pretty sweet 00:05:51.790 --> 00:05:55.850 of course a wagoneer would look really good pulling 00:05:55.850 --> 00:06:04.410 the sx4 too oh man yeah Or a J truck. Whoa. I'm 00:06:04.410 --> 00:06:07.209 sorry. I'm getting stranded by these javelins 00:06:07.209 --> 00:06:10.250 on here. This is so cool. But like an old international, 00:06:10.490 --> 00:06:14.649 like Restomod. Kind of cool. Oh, yeah. Yep. Love 00:06:14.649 --> 00:06:17.029 the way those internationals, real soft bodies 00:06:17.029 --> 00:06:23.189 on the older ones. I've been seeing a lot more 00:06:23.189 --> 00:06:26.050 internationals out there. Dude, I just saw one. 00:06:26.540 --> 00:06:28.699 That's like basically restored on marketplace. 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:31.279 And I mean, they want like 18 for it, but it's 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:36.019 beautiful. So you've got an LS. What axles do 00:06:36.019 --> 00:06:40.560 you have under that? 05 Super Duty one -ton axles 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:45.139 with 488s. That just seems to be the default 00:06:45.139 --> 00:06:47.220 at this point. Everyone seems to be doing the 00:06:47.220 --> 00:06:51.639 Super Duty axles. Yep. I was fortunate enough, 00:06:51.699 --> 00:06:55.769 the junkyard that's over here by me. He sells 00:06:55.769 --> 00:06:59.230 axles for $150 a piece. So I was able to scoop 00:06:59.230 --> 00:07:04.810 a set of one -ton axles up for $300. Yeah, because 00:07:04.810 --> 00:07:06.750 you're over on the east side of the state, right? 00:07:08.490 --> 00:07:13.329 More southwest. Oh, okay. So you're kind of over 00:07:13.329 --> 00:07:17.610 by us. We're up north of Grand Rapids a little 00:07:17.610 --> 00:07:21.089 bit. Okay. Yep, so that's about an hour and a 00:07:21.089 --> 00:07:25.839 half -ish away probably. We're in the magic capital 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:29.139 of the world. The magic capital? We're in the 00:07:29.139 --> 00:07:33.759 onion capital. Yeah. Interesting. I've never 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:39.199 heard of the magic capital. Yep. Good old colon 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:44.720 Michigan. Colon. That's crazy. So, now you did 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.899 core. Was that last year or two years ago? That 00:07:47.899 --> 00:07:50.800 was last year. I know it was the first year of 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:52.879 core, and I should have paid more attention. 00:07:55.749 --> 00:07:59.490 That looked like a really fun trip, man. Yeah. 00:08:01.170 --> 00:08:04.110 It was probably the biggest trip I've done at 00:08:04.110 --> 00:08:06.769 that time with the car. I mean, I've been to 00:08:06.769 --> 00:08:09.790 Badlands a bunch of times. That's usually about 00:08:09.790 --> 00:08:13.689 the furthest that I really have been. And it 00:08:13.689 --> 00:08:17.430 was really great. The car performed really well 00:08:17.430 --> 00:08:20.490 until the end of the first day where I caught 00:08:20.490 --> 00:08:24.790 the car on fire. Oh, shit. what happened yeah 00:08:24.790 --> 00:08:31.689 um so there was a ravine and i was second in 00:08:31.689 --> 00:08:34.090 line and i was following the leader his name 00:08:34.090 --> 00:08:39.190 is cody and he was in i believe it was a yj uh 00:08:39.190 --> 00:08:41.909 it was an older jeep and i think he was only 00:08:41.909 --> 00:08:47.090 on 35s and so he goes down and he he gets sideways 00:08:47.090 --> 00:08:50.950 because it's it's a really deep ravine and i 00:08:50.950 --> 00:08:53.419 ended up having to use my winch to kind of guiding 00:08:53.419 --> 00:08:58.179 down through it and so i came down and i i almost 00:08:58.179 --> 00:09:00.460 rolled and i throttled out of it and made it 00:09:00.460 --> 00:09:03.039 through but when i did that i came down really 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:06.159 hard and i didn't have a crossbar for my front 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:08.740 shock hoops and they flexed enough that it knocked 00:09:08.740 --> 00:09:11.559 my brake reservoir right off the master cylinder 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.080 so brake fluid went everywhere over my exhaust 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.919 and caught on fire wow it's kind of a shitty 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:22.539 situation all that compiling like there You said 00:09:22.539 --> 00:09:27.419 this was in Core, too? So, not the Core that 00:09:27.419 --> 00:09:29.279 you're thinking of, Core. Yeah, thinking of a 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:33.379 different Core. Yeah, so when you think of Core, 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.000 you think of the Kiwanaw Overland. Yeah, that's 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:42.039 why I was very confused. What does Core C -O 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:47.059 -R -E stand for? Do you know? Complete Off -Road 00:09:47.059 --> 00:09:49.480 Experience. Gotcha. Yeah, that's what it is. 00:09:49.659 --> 00:09:52.639 Yeah. Yeah, I'm thinking I'm like ravines. I'm 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:55.259 like, I don't imagine any cars having issues 00:09:55.259 --> 00:09:59.679 with any ravines in the Q &A. Yeah, Gavin's our 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:04.440 local overlander, so he's very confused. Yeah, 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:07.340 I fit more into the overland side of things. 00:10:08.100 --> 00:10:10.919 I like to wheel. It's just not like I don't want 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.980 to be doing it like 100 % of the time. I do like... 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:17.539 No, I get that. I think what's funny is... I 00:10:17.539 --> 00:10:21.100 did not build the AMC to be an overland vehicle, 00:10:21.500 --> 00:10:24.320 but I'm about to take it on this giant trip where 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:27.440 that's where what I'm going to be doing is overlanding. 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.019 So I'm going to have to do a bunch of modifications 00:10:30.019 --> 00:10:34.919 so I can make room so I can have a fridge, certain 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.720 tools and pack out stuff that I wouldn't normally 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:42.740 take. Overlanding affects your overall weight 00:10:42.740 --> 00:10:45.860 and the way that it's distributed too. that's 00:10:45.860 --> 00:10:47.500 gonna be cool though i'd be really interested 00:10:47.500 --> 00:10:50.940 to see like what you do to make it to make it 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:55.159 work i mean i assume you're tent camping or yep 00:10:55.159 --> 00:11:00.500 um i got one of those um it's like it comes with 00:11:00.500 --> 00:11:02.899 a cot and then the tent is part of the car yeah 00:11:02.899 --> 00:11:06.679 yeah yep yeah so just a little one man like it's 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:11.149 a good size um Those are pretty nice. That's 00:11:11.149 --> 00:11:12.870 why I'm going to be sleeping out. I'll have two 00:11:12.870 --> 00:11:15.009 of those because my co -dog will be with me, 00:11:15.070 --> 00:11:18.470 and he has a similar setup. Then, obviously, 00:11:18.649 --> 00:11:22.769 we'll have a fridge for food, tools, a whole 00:11:22.769 --> 00:11:25.909 bunch of tools. Crawler off -road keeps me up 00:11:25.909 --> 00:11:29.190 with some tool rolls that I can put on my roll 00:11:29.190 --> 00:11:32.860 cage because that's a big thing that is... It's 00:11:32.860 --> 00:11:35.919 a two -door car, but I took out the rear seats. 00:11:36.620 --> 00:11:40.279 I need to make room for all this stuff. Tools 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:45.299 that I got to carry spare parts for that, especially 00:11:45.299 --> 00:11:47.899 being that far away. You got to be prepared for 00:11:47.899 --> 00:11:52.000 pretty much everything. You should tell Crawler 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:53.679 to get a hold of me. I'll give you my email. 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:55.740 I've been trying to get a hold of him for a while. 00:11:55.840 --> 00:12:00.600 Trying. I just want to know where the ropes are 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:06.830 actually made at. okay because i i'm really curious 00:12:06.830 --> 00:12:09.590 if they're you know who they work with to actually 00:12:09.590 --> 00:12:11.389 have them made because i know they design them 00:12:11.389 --> 00:12:13.610 but who actually you know puts them together 00:12:13.610 --> 00:12:18.710 yeah yeah i've got their i've got their winch 00:12:18.710 --> 00:12:21.529 line i've got their tool rolls i've got a bunch 00:12:21.529 --> 00:12:24.529 of their stuff good stuff huh yeah so you've 00:12:24.529 --> 00:12:28.269 got is uh is tyler sponsoring you again too or 00:12:28.269 --> 00:12:33.370 just uh just crawler um nope they so they're 00:12:33.370 --> 00:12:40.149 not really sponsoring me um if you will it's 00:12:40.149 --> 00:12:43.830 more of a like hey we know that you're going 00:12:43.830 --> 00:12:46.929 on this trip yeah and i'm pretty faithful to 00:12:46.929 --> 00:12:50.970 them so just kind of hooked me up a little bit 00:12:50.970 --> 00:12:56.509 thank you yeah yeah very cool yeah i will say 00:12:56.509 --> 00:13:03.090 the sponsors for ua oh yeah yeah yeah that's 00:13:03.090 --> 00:13:06.909 oh man build something so you can make it on 00:13:06.909 --> 00:13:12.809 ua yeah yeah i dude i want on so bad i mean i'm 00:13:12.809 --> 00:13:16.129 not too far off with the forerunner i just uh 00:13:16.129 --> 00:13:20.289 it'd be weird having an ifs rig on ua that's 00:13:20.289 --> 00:13:24.769 for sure yeah um my my second gen forerunner 00:13:24.769 --> 00:13:29.240 um that the motor is currently Tick tocking. 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:35.000 I started building a custom Dana 60 and swapping 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:40.500 the pumpkin to the passenger side. Yep. So it'll 00:13:40.500 --> 00:13:45.100 have one ton axles on it. Sweet. I am really 00:13:45.100 --> 00:13:47.340 excited to see your second gen done. I'm more 00:13:47.340 --> 00:13:51.679 excited to see the TJ, but the second gen, it's 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:55.179 going to be cool. Yeah. That, that one is going 00:13:55.179 --> 00:13:59.419 to be more like overland ish. like designed um 00:13:59.419 --> 00:14:02.139 something i could take the family with because 00:14:02.139 --> 00:14:05.299 between me and my wife we have six kids so i 00:14:05.299 --> 00:14:07.559 need something that uh we can kind of take some 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:12.100 of the kids with some of yeah yeah not all i 00:14:12.100 --> 00:14:15.759 uh i jokingly sent this really cool motor home 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:17.679 to our group chat earlier and i was like guys 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.019 this should be my next overland rig but i think 00:14:20.019 --> 00:14:24.000 scotty needs it more than me i don't know i was 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:27.159 looking at your instagram you had a uh a dodge 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:31.519 with a flatbed on there oh yeah and uh be really 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.639 cool to throw a cab on the back of that uh or 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:38.919 like a cabin and take that out but that's only 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.100 what that's only a two -seater bench isn't it 00:14:41.100 --> 00:14:47.399 yeah yeah then uh before that well i guess it 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:49.100 was like the same time i also had a big giant 00:14:49.100 --> 00:14:51.820 green school bus yeah i was just yeah seeing 00:14:51.820 --> 00:14:53.519 that in the background pictures i didn't know 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:55.299 if that was yours so i didn't say anything but 00:14:55.980 --> 00:14:58.559 That's pretty cool. Yep. Nope. We bought it as 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.940 a full, it was a full complete school bus and 00:15:01.940 --> 00:15:04.759 we removed everything. And then we made a wall 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:07.659 right in the middle of it. And then, so the back 00:15:07.659 --> 00:15:09.940 half was like a toy hauler. Oh yeah. The front 00:15:09.940 --> 00:15:12.940 half was like a camper. Yeah. We were joking 00:15:12.940 --> 00:15:16.220 with Joey Amber from MST to telling him that 00:15:16.220 --> 00:15:19.789 he needs to do that. I actually reached out to 00:15:19.789 --> 00:15:21.889 Scotty to see if he still had it so Joe could 00:15:21.889 --> 00:15:25.029 buy it. That was cool. I was going to say that 00:15:25.029 --> 00:15:28.370 could be your rig to get out there at least. 00:15:29.730 --> 00:15:36.490 Take one of the other ones. Why did you not stick 00:15:36.490 --> 00:15:38.549 with the school bus? Was it just too much to 00:15:38.549 --> 00:15:43.649 plan and use in? So it was kind of having some 00:15:43.649 --> 00:15:48.250 other issues, and it did really good. So I put 00:15:48.250 --> 00:15:51.889 a hitch on the back of it so I can haul two vehicles 00:15:51.889 --> 00:15:56.110 with it, and it didn't care. It had an international 00:15:56.110 --> 00:15:59.149 7 .3, so it did not care what was behind it. 00:15:59.190 --> 00:16:01.870 It would have pulled it. The fuel mileage was 00:16:01.870 --> 00:16:06.370 terrible. It did not get good mileage at all. 00:16:09.029 --> 00:16:11.850 That's what the six, six, three or six, six, 00:16:11.850 --> 00:16:13.470 six. I don't remember what they called that. 00:16:13.509 --> 00:16:15.389 The international version of the seven, three. 00:16:17.610 --> 00:16:21.370 You got me, buddy. But yeah, no, it's a, Oh, 00:16:21.429 --> 00:16:26.669 T four, four E I'm sorry. Yep. And I think that 00:16:26.669 --> 00:16:31.809 was a four 44 or something like that. Yeah. I, 00:16:31.809 --> 00:16:36.389 uh, I built a power stroke. I mean, really close 00:16:36.389 --> 00:16:39.029 to the same thing. And I'll tell you, I got like 00:16:39.029 --> 00:16:40.870 four miles to the gallon in that stupid thing. 00:16:41.029 --> 00:16:46.090 Yeah. That's ridiculous. But mind me. Just going 00:16:46.090 --> 00:16:51.990 to Badlands and back, it was like $300 in fuel 00:16:51.990 --> 00:16:55.429 to get there and back. What is that, like a two, 00:16:55.490 --> 00:16:58.389 three -hour drive for you? Yeah, it's about three 00:16:58.389 --> 00:17:03.429 and a half. Yeah. Oh, the park. Yeah, for us, 00:17:03.429 --> 00:17:05.789 it's like five hours or so, four and a half, 00:17:05.789 --> 00:17:10.160 five hours. yeah but i haven't made it down to 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.880 badlands yet that's on my uh my bucket list if 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:15.759 you will not really a bucket list because it's 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:20.819 achievable but yeah it's um it's a fun park um 00:17:20.819 --> 00:17:24.440 so i'm right down the road like five ten minutes 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:27.859 away from roush off -road which is a pretty like 00:17:27.859 --> 00:17:31.700 beginner park if you will It has some good trails, 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:34.980 some obstacles, but it's a good test if you do 00:17:34.980 --> 00:17:37.880 something new to it. Then Bundy Hill is probably 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:42.099 a half hour, 45 minutes from me. That's a pretty 00:17:42.099 --> 00:17:45.460 good intermediate park if I look at it. And then 00:17:45.460 --> 00:17:49.180 Badlands would probably be the next step up above 00:17:49.180 --> 00:17:53.460 that. It's definitely got a lot of cool. Usually 00:17:53.460 --> 00:17:56.380 we would go there and go straight to the quarry, 00:17:56.380 --> 00:17:59.690 break, and then go home. So now I've gotten the 00:17:59.690 --> 00:18:03.089 habit of going there, going through the actual 00:18:03.089 --> 00:18:05.109 trails and actually seeing the whole entire park. 00:18:05.529 --> 00:18:08.250 And when you do that, you start finding some 00:18:08.250 --> 00:18:11.789 really cool, like, places in that park. And you 00:18:11.789 --> 00:18:15.569 can make a weekend trip out of it for sure. Hell, 00:18:15.569 --> 00:18:18.950 yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Have you ever 00:18:18.950 --> 00:18:22.950 made it up this way for Rocks and Valleys? So 00:18:22.950 --> 00:18:28.309 I've attempted twice to make it there. Not last 00:18:28.309 --> 00:18:30.690 year, I think the year before. It was in the 00:18:30.690 --> 00:18:34.369 wintertime. And I took the school bus and hauled 00:18:34.369 --> 00:18:37.150 my car and my buddy's Jeep all the way up there. 00:18:38.109 --> 00:18:42.789 And I pulled the car off the bus, and it doesn't 00:18:42.789 --> 00:18:47.269 move. Transmission stopped working. So I ended 00:18:47.269 --> 00:18:50.109 up riding with my buddy in his Jeep until he 00:18:50.109 --> 00:18:53.430 broke his driveshaft twice. And then we loaded 00:18:53.430 --> 00:18:58.569 everything up and headed home. And then we went 00:18:58.569 --> 00:19:00.450 to make it up there for the great American crawl. 00:19:01.029 --> 00:19:03.730 And I was probably like 10 minutes away from 00:19:03.730 --> 00:19:06.890 the park and I blew a tire on my trailer. I didn't 00:19:06.890 --> 00:19:08.950 have a spare. So I was like, you know what? No 00:19:08.950 --> 00:19:11.210 big deal. I can drive the car there. We'll deal 00:19:11.210 --> 00:19:14.490 with the tire after the trip. So I unload the 00:19:14.490 --> 00:19:16.690 car and I start driving. My wife is with me. 00:19:16.730 --> 00:19:19.230 So she's driving the truck and all of a sudden 00:19:19.230 --> 00:19:23.769 the car just stops moving, which was like really 00:19:23.769 --> 00:19:26.990 crazy because. I know what caused my problem 00:19:26.990 --> 00:19:29.990 before. And this time it didn't act like it was 00:19:29.990 --> 00:19:32.869 overheating or anything like that. It just stopped 00:19:32.869 --> 00:19:37.069 moving. And I was like, man, like why? And come 00:19:37.069 --> 00:19:40.849 to find out my filter dropped in my pan. And 00:19:40.849 --> 00:19:45.109 so it just wasn't picking up fluid. Dude. So 00:19:45.109 --> 00:19:48.769 I have yet to actually wheel rocks and valleys. 00:19:49.849 --> 00:19:53.910 We'll have to plan a weekend or a day or something 00:19:53.910 --> 00:19:56.710 up at Rocks and Valleys. I'd say about a day. 00:19:56.789 --> 00:19:58.390 You're not going to get much more than a day's 00:19:58.390 --> 00:20:02.890 worth of entertainment out of it. Yeah. But, 00:20:02.890 --> 00:20:06.049 yeah, it's a good time. So the little bit of 00:20:06.049 --> 00:20:08.609 wheeling you did do, how do you compare that 00:20:08.609 --> 00:20:13.269 to, say, Badlands or Bundy even? You know, numerous 00:20:13.269 --> 00:20:17.630 times I've been told that Rocks and Valleys is 00:20:17.630 --> 00:20:24.420 the best park in Michigan. I've only seen the 00:20:24.420 --> 00:20:27.940 park in the snow, and that was a blast. Like, 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:30.400 we were just full sending it through all the 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:35.480 trails. Like, it was fun. So I really don't know 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:37.640 if it's any better than, like, Bundy Hill. If 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:39.920 anything, maybe it's pretty comparable from just 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:43.900 my experience. But for sure, if it's even comparable 00:20:43.900 --> 00:20:47.559 to Bundy Hill, it does not compare to Badlands. 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:53.660 Badlands has a lot harder obstacles and trails 00:20:53.660 --> 00:20:58.019 out there. Badlands still isn't the hardest. 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:01.880 Windrock is obviously way harder than even Badlands. 00:21:02.740 --> 00:21:05.640 If you're looking to really push yourself and 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:09.079 not have to drive extremely far away like Badlands, 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.839 it's a beautiful place. First off, their camping, 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:17.380 how they have everything set up. They have everything 00:21:17.380 --> 00:21:20.240 put together really well there. I don't think 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:23.519 I saw pictures of you there, so I'll ask, but 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:25.779 you weren't at Leatherwood this year with MST, 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:30.519 were you? No. Nope. I think I planned on going, 00:21:30.740 --> 00:21:33.039 but I've just been doing a bunch of changes to 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:36.279 the car. Yeah. And so every time, like, a big 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:37.920 trip, it's like, yeah, I want to do that. Yeah. 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.440 And then I'm like, oh, I think I want to do this, 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.059 and then I end up changing a whole bunch of stuff. 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:47.009 Yeah. That looked sick. you would have been right 00:21:47.009 --> 00:21:49.750 in your element down there that was a blast yeah 00:21:49.750 --> 00:21:52.289 watching the videos and looking at all the photos 00:21:52.289 --> 00:21:57.369 um it's definitely on on the list for sure yeah 00:21:57.369 --> 00:22:00.069 i i want to get a trip down there with less people 00:22:00.069 --> 00:22:01.910 because we just had too many freaking people 00:22:01.910 --> 00:22:06.869 there so yeah i mean it was fun don't get me 00:22:06.869 --> 00:22:08.809 wrong but there's a lot of stuff i want to do 00:22:08.809 --> 00:22:12.029 that we just couldn't get to right right yeah 00:22:12.029 --> 00:22:14.660 oh so what What size tires are you running on 00:22:14.660 --> 00:22:16.640 that right now? Because these look fucking massive. 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:23.980 They are 40s. Oh, damn. Yeah, they almost look 00:22:23.980 --> 00:22:28.400 bigger just in comparison to the car. Originally, 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:33.740 I set the car up for 37s, and then I got a crazy 00:22:33.740 --> 00:22:36.599 deal on these 40s, and so I've just been running 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:44.940 those. This is massive, though. Oh my God. You 00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:47.880 know, when, when you see a 40 inch tire every 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.640 day, it really doesn't look like that big of 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.779 a tire. I can see why like, Oh, I have 37. I 00:22:53.779 --> 00:22:56.160 think I need to go to forties. Yeah. Oh man. 00:22:56.299 --> 00:22:59.059 These forties are looking kind of small. Yeah. 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:04.220 Well, it's like, I forget who it is that there's 00:23:04.220 --> 00:23:07.579 a guy that's got a Wrangler that's on a forties. 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:09.779 I think he was down at Leatherwood. I forget 00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:13.809 his name though. But that thing is massive. I 00:23:13.809 --> 00:23:15.470 didn't really realize it until I... Yeah, TJ? 00:23:15.990 --> 00:23:19.609 Yeah. Oh, TJ has 40s. Yeah. I'm trying to think 00:23:19.609 --> 00:23:24.930 of who was down there with 40s. Oh, it's... He's 00:23:24.930 --> 00:23:28.650 got a JK. Oh, is it a JK? Yeah. I can't remember 00:23:28.650 --> 00:23:31.029 his name. I can't think of his name. But yeah, 00:23:31.130 --> 00:23:32.930 I know what you're talking about. It's black. 00:23:33.269 --> 00:23:36.309 Yeah, yep, yep. I went to Barnbeer's or whatever 00:23:36.309 --> 00:23:39.819 and other Derek's. and it was sitting in the 00:23:39.819 --> 00:23:42.660 garage, and I walked in. I'm like, Jesus Christ. 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:46.500 It's just like a whole different level. Hey, 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:52.359 my little 33s just look like babies. Yeah, the 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.500 biggest I've ever gotten was 37s on my J truck, 00:23:56.619 --> 00:23:59.920 and the 4Runner just needs so much stuff done 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:03.220 to it to fit anything bigger than a 35. You just 00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:07.509 have to cut more. Take your fenders off. oh it's 00:24:07.509 --> 00:24:11.269 not fenders it's it's firewall and inner fender 00:24:11.269 --> 00:24:17.930 and i uh i need to get a set oh my god i need 00:24:17.930 --> 00:24:21.170 to get a set of 30 i need to get a set of 37s 00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:23.069 and test it now that i've got the long travel 00:24:23.069 --> 00:24:30.630 on see how different it is yeah i wonder god 00:24:30.630 --> 00:24:34.470 you'd be pretty fucking slow at 30 yeah you'd 00:24:34.470 --> 00:24:37.140 be really You need to re -gear after that if 00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:39.980 you did that. I need to re -gear when I go to 00:24:39.980 --> 00:24:45.140 35s. Yeah. We'll see, because I'm putting that 00:24:45.140 --> 00:24:47.460 manual in, and that's got a whole different gear 00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:51.259 set than the automatic. So they say not to re 00:24:51.259 --> 00:24:53.660 -gear until after you manual swap, because you 00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:57.420 don't quite know where you want to be yet. With 00:24:57.420 --> 00:25:01.559 my second gen, and it's a manual, I've got, I 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.470 think, 33s on there now. And I could put it in 00:25:05.470 --> 00:25:08.289 four low in first gear, and it'll crawl itself 00:25:08.289 --> 00:25:17.349 up obstacles. Huh. So it might be okay. Yeah, 00:25:17.369 --> 00:25:20.750 that's kind of what I'm looking for. I'm doing 00:25:20.750 --> 00:25:22.430 dual transfer cases, though, because I wouldn't 00:25:22.430 --> 00:25:27.130 be able to drop it in low -low. Low -low. We'll 00:25:27.130 --> 00:25:31.690 see. That's like the three -year plan. My three 00:25:31.690 --> 00:25:36.150 -year plan is just to get to 35s. I mean, I could 00:25:36.150 --> 00:25:38.990 probably do it like straight right now, but. 00:25:40.109 --> 00:25:43.349 When like Toyota guys do like dual transfer cases 00:25:43.349 --> 00:25:46.450 and then they'll throw gears in the axles. And 00:25:46.450 --> 00:25:48.650 I think someone did like the math. It was like 00:25:48.650 --> 00:25:51.789 a thousand to one gear ratio after everything 00:25:51.789 --> 00:25:55.710 is done. That was Tyler and Jimmy when they were 00:25:55.710 --> 00:25:57.910 on total off road. I think they did that, that 00:25:57.910 --> 00:26:02.089 math. Yep. That was what, two years ago, a year 00:26:02.089 --> 00:26:03.650 ago? I don't even remember. That was a long time 00:26:03.650 --> 00:26:10.069 ago. Yeah, it's crazy what you can do with the 00:26:10.069 --> 00:26:12.130 Toyotas, though. Having come from Jeeps my whole 00:26:12.130 --> 00:26:17.529 life, it's a whole different world. Yeah. And 00:26:17.529 --> 00:26:21.109 I'm kind of trying to stick with IFS just to 00:26:21.109 --> 00:26:24.690 experience the best you can do with IFS, but 00:26:24.690 --> 00:26:29.539 man, do I miss having a solid axle. I mean, look 00:26:29.539 --> 00:26:33.200 at Dirt Lifestyle Nate with his Tacoma. That 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:38.579 thing is gorgeous. Yeah. That thing is Girth 00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:44.779 Brooks. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. That's a lot of money 00:26:44.779 --> 00:26:46.660 into that because he's got portals on it, too. 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:55.099 Oh, that thing is. Oh, yeah. I'd be living pretty 00:26:55.099 --> 00:27:00.440 lavishly. but he does some cool stuff on it though 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.140 too i mean he uses it oh yeah right yeah it's 00:27:04.140 --> 00:27:07.039 not just a show pony yeah don't just google girth 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.140 brooks apparently it's a male porn star yeah 00:27:09.140 --> 00:27:12.039 what was your yeah i mean i could have probably 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:19.039 told you that man your algorithm is gonna be 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.259 kicking your ass now for the next couple months 00:27:21.259 --> 00:27:25.930 yeah dude I haven't looked at this truck in a 00:27:25.930 --> 00:27:30.109 long time, but every time I do, oh, my God. Yeah, 00:27:30.130 --> 00:27:33.410 and he just did a bunch of work to it, too. What 00:27:33.410 --> 00:27:37.670 is that, a Tacoma? Yeah, it's a Tacoma. Okay. 00:27:38.230 --> 00:27:39.750 I'm not searching it because I don't want to 00:27:39.750 --> 00:27:42.529 screw up my algorithm. Because now he's got portals 00:27:42.529 --> 00:27:46.210 on it. It looks like long travel and portals. 00:27:46.210 --> 00:27:47.910 So there you go, Gavin. Someone has done it. 00:27:48.109 --> 00:27:53.519 Yeah, I've seen it. I just, oh. yeah don't look 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.039 girth brooks on instagram either son of a bitch 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:01.680 i thought i was safe on instagram nope he's official 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:07.259 oh that's hilarious 26 000 followers are you 00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:10.460 kidding me let me clear that out of my recents 00:28:10.460 --> 00:28:15.099 so yeah you're uh your list of projects you've 00:28:15.099 --> 00:28:21.359 got tj amc yep forerunner then i got uh Yep, 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:25.039 and then I got the kid's Bronco, an 85 Bronco. 00:28:25.940 --> 00:28:30.480 Aren't you doing a JKU, too? Oh, yeah, and I 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:35.200 have a JKU that is currently, I got a long -arm 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:40.039 kit on it, and I did 99 -04 Super Duty axles 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:43.660 on it, too. I thought I remember seeing you were 00:28:43.660 --> 00:28:47.220 messing with a JKU tub not too long ago. Yep, 00:28:47.299 --> 00:28:51.230 a bunch of the body mounts. The guy got it from 00:28:51.230 --> 00:28:53.509 me, just cut them off. So I need to cut them 00:28:53.509 --> 00:28:55.910 out. I'm just going to weld plates in with a 00:28:55.910 --> 00:29:00.750 weld nut on the backside and throw it on. Go 00:29:00.750 --> 00:29:05.309 ahead, Gavin. Oh, that's what I was asking earlier. 00:29:05.410 --> 00:29:08.509 I asked if it was on a JKU chassis because I 00:29:08.509 --> 00:29:10.509 saw the frame sitting there and I thought maybe 00:29:10.509 --> 00:29:12.789 it was a flashback, but I didn't actually read 00:29:12.789 --> 00:29:15.670 the description yet. Although that Bronco 2 is 00:29:15.670 --> 00:29:18.640 really cool. Yeah, that one's going to be for 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.339 the wife. I've already got a 5 .3 for it. I'm 00:29:22.339 --> 00:29:25.160 going to do a 4L80 trans. And if I can get my 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:29.279 hands on an Atlas, that'd be phenomenal. And 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.180 then I'll probably do like roll cage, all that 00:29:31.180 --> 00:29:33.859 stuff. It doesn't have anything inside. So I'm 00:29:33.859 --> 00:29:35.880 going to custom build the dash and center console 00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.400 and then roll cage and all that kind of stuff. 00:29:39.140 --> 00:29:42.759 I kind of want to see the Bronco too, because 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.900 that was before I got the FJ. I was seriously, 00:29:46.940 --> 00:29:50.960 seriously considering buying. There was an Eddie 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.880 Bauer edition Bronco II for sale that was just 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:58.319 mint. And having those 40s sitting next to it 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.019 on your Instagram profile, that thing actually 00:30:01.019 --> 00:30:06.160 looks really cool. I could see the vision behind 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:09.359 it. That would be really cool. I remember. I 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.000 already got axles for that as well. The 40s that 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.200 are on the AMC now are going to go on to their 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.839 Bronco. It still has the stock 2 .8, which I 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.240 got running. So I'm just going to let them run 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.940 that thing until it doesn't run anymore. I've 00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:29.759 got YJ leaf springs that I'm doing front and 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:35.319 rear. So keep it super simple. you know isn't 00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:37.559 going to require a lot of maintenance and something 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.819 they can abuse and it's not going to cost a lot 00:30:39.819 --> 00:30:42.019 of money if i need to fix any kind of parts yeah 00:30:42.019 --> 00:30:45.299 right aside from the windows being somewhat wrapped 00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:48.380 but that was like i was like dude car camping 00:30:48.380 --> 00:30:51.880 in the back of the bronco too like that that 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.980 would be so cool having those giant windows there 00:30:54.980 --> 00:30:58.079 to be looking out of and i just thought that 00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.430 would be the coolest little overlander but Yeah, 00:31:00.470 --> 00:31:03.089 with more than a couple people, you get a family, 00:31:03.150 --> 00:31:04.569 and I was like, yeah, this is not going to work. 00:31:05.650 --> 00:31:08.930 Yeah. Well, and back in the day, like five years 00:31:08.930 --> 00:31:11.210 ago, I'd tell people to get Bronco 2s because 00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:15.710 they were cheap. Now they're not cheap. No. I 00:31:15.710 --> 00:31:21.049 traded a CJ hardtop for that Bronco. Jesus. I 00:31:21.049 --> 00:31:22.609 mean, other than the cutting, it looks pretty 00:31:22.609 --> 00:31:28.240 solid for. Yeah. The floor is. Not as there as 00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:32.680 it should be, but the patina on it is super nice. 00:31:32.980 --> 00:31:35.500 So I'm probably just going to clean it, clear 00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:38.119 coat it once I get everything done, and then 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:44.000 just leave it sit like that. I'm browsing Marketplace 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.759 for the cheapest Bronco II I can find, and you 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.220 can get Broncos for less than you can get Bronco 00:31:49.220 --> 00:31:54.380 IIs now. oh here's the cheapest one i found they 00:31:54.380 --> 00:31:58.279 want three grand for it and it is not pretty 00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:02.559 yeah that's just the eddie bauer one i saw it 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.359 was 11 grand but it was i mean it was completely 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:10.359 there i mean absolutely zero rust anywhere on 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.039 the frame anywhere it it looked like it was a 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:17.000 showroom basically i think it had a a tight like 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.039 a like a light lightened area on the seat and 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:21.960 lightened area where the hand or the arm goes 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.920 on the armrest area on the door but that was 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.579 it it's just crazy to me seeing those cars getting 00:32:28.579 --> 00:32:30.559 that expensive because i i mean i had a buddy 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.160 who bought one for 300 bucks in arizona like 00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:37.599 they just they weren't worth anything older vehicles 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.000 they just turn into more like stock items like 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.119 you have to you can cash them in at the ebb and 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.460 flow of the the vehicle market it's like toyota's 00:32:46.460 --> 00:32:51.160 right now If you had a little parking lot full 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.359 of old Toyotas that were rust -free, you could 00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:02.380 be rolling in the dough now. You should talk 00:33:02.380 --> 00:33:04.359 about your TJ, though. I'm really excited about 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.200 that one. That's going to be so cool, man. Yeah. 00:33:06.779 --> 00:33:12.059 So what's funny is how I came about the TJ. Someone 00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:15.180 reached out to me with a Grand Cherokee. It was 00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:22.650 a ZJ. And it was super clean. And a good friend 00:33:22.650 --> 00:33:25.549 of mine had the TJ, and he traded the TJ for 00:33:25.549 --> 00:33:34.930 my Grand Cherokee, which is crazy. So I was driving 00:33:34.930 --> 00:33:36.750 it, doing a little bit of work on it, had a locker 00:33:36.750 --> 00:33:43.250 in the front, was running 31s or 33s. And then 00:33:43.250 --> 00:33:47.309 he had... did all this wiring for a bunch of 00:33:47.309 --> 00:33:51.630 custom lights that all these Jeep, Jeep people 00:33:51.630 --> 00:33:58.670 do. Yeah. And it caught on fire while I was at 00:33:58.670 --> 00:34:03.109 work. And so, and the engine, cause I had a four 00:34:03.109 --> 00:34:05.369 Oh and it was burning oil. I was going through 00:34:05.369 --> 00:34:10.869 two quarts of oil a week at least. And so I was 00:34:10.869 --> 00:34:13.769 like, you know what, what if I, Just strip it 00:34:13.769 --> 00:34:16.869 completely down and build it into what I want 00:34:16.869 --> 00:34:19.949 it to be. And so that was what I started as. 00:34:20.309 --> 00:34:23.750 And now it's sitting over in the barn waiting 00:34:23.750 --> 00:34:26.429 its turn. But we're going to do, it's going to 00:34:26.429 --> 00:34:30.530 get one ton axles. Maybe do like a nine inch 00:34:30.530 --> 00:34:34.469 and a 44. I think if put together really well, 00:34:34.570 --> 00:34:37.929 they hold up considerably. And it's going to 00:34:37.929 --> 00:34:39.389 be super light. There's not a whole bunch of 00:34:39.389 --> 00:34:42.719 weight there. But, yeah, we're going to do a 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.900 boosted Honda K24 engine, and then we're going 00:34:46.900 --> 00:34:49.980 to do an adapter plate to a GM transmission and 00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:54.539 transfer case. That's crazy. Do you know which 00:34:54.539 --> 00:34:56.079 transmission you're going to run behind it or 00:34:56.079 --> 00:35:04.699 just GM in general? I'd like to do a 4L80, but 00:35:04.699 --> 00:35:08.409 personally. Especially because it was supposed 00:35:08.409 --> 00:35:11.050 to be for the wife, and she doesn't want a manual. 00:35:12.250 --> 00:35:14.889 But now I'm building her the JK, so now I can 00:35:14.889 --> 00:35:18.809 build the TJ for me. And I would absolutely love 00:35:18.809 --> 00:35:22.349 for it to be a manual, especially having the 00:35:22.349 --> 00:35:24.250 turbo and everything like that and be able to 00:35:24.250 --> 00:35:29.489 two -step it and shoot. Yeah, so we're kind of 00:35:29.489 --> 00:35:32.309 cruising five -speed options, six -speed options 00:35:32.309 --> 00:35:39.039 for that. yeah yeah and really with it being 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:42.159 a k series you don't need a whole lot i mean 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:43.960 obviously you don't want to just throw any transmission 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.440 in there but it doesn't need anything super strong 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:49.199 because you're gonna boost it to what like 400 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:53.300 horsepower um so i know with stock internals 00:35:53.300 --> 00:35:57.300 and a good turbo setup and tuned uh they push 00:35:57.300 --> 00:36:01.099 700 easy right um so i'd like to get it in around 00:36:01.099 --> 00:36:05.380 like six 600 is where i'd like to see it i think 00:36:05.869 --> 00:36:09.449 Cause when I had a civic side that was boosted 00:36:09.449 --> 00:36:11.909 and that made, it was only like 10 pounds of 00:36:11.909 --> 00:36:14.449 boost, but it made like 380 horsepower. Yeah. 00:36:15.030 --> 00:36:19.210 Like all stock internals, some Chinese wind bang 00:36:19.210 --> 00:36:23.070 blower on there. I'll probably stick with like 00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:26.610 37 on it. I don't think it'll need anything crazy. 00:36:26.730 --> 00:36:29.250 I want to keep it low. Kind of how I did the 00:36:29.250 --> 00:36:31.469 AMC. I want to keep it low. Cause a lot of the 00:36:31.469 --> 00:36:35.280 TJ guys. when they go to like bigger tires they 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.539 just get super tall and yep they look cool don't 00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:43.159 get me wrong but it's i just like to have that 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:45.500 lower center of gravity for off -roading and 00:36:45.500 --> 00:36:49.099 stuff like that yeah when i i uh when i built 00:36:49.099 --> 00:36:51.559 mine my goal was to keep that low center of gravity 00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.219 because wheeling in arizona man that gets scary 00:36:54.219 --> 00:36:56.219 when you're on those steep inclines and you're 00:36:56.219 --> 00:37:00.340 on your side basically So, I mean, I only did, 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.820 the biggest tire I put on there was a 33. I never 00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:06.300 got any bigger before I blew it up. But take 00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:09.320 the fenders off. You can just, you know, just 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.420 taking the fenders off, you can put the wheels 00:37:11.420 --> 00:37:14.400 all the way up over the hood on those TJs. Yeah. 00:37:14.860 --> 00:37:17.800 I mean, there are crazy amounts of flex on those 00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:24.699 things. Yep. Yeah, I'm really excited for that. 00:37:25.130 --> 00:37:33.130 My two biggest loves, boosted K20s and TJs. I 00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:36.730 originally was going to chop it in half and do 00:37:36.730 --> 00:37:39.869 like a brute conversion on it. Have like a little 00:37:39.869 --> 00:37:43.090 truck bed in the back, which I still might do. 00:37:43.269 --> 00:37:46.650 I won't know until I get to it. I usually do 00:37:46.650 --> 00:37:52.010 whatever kind of comes into my lap, like the 00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:54.780 axles and stuff like that. I do what usually 00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:57.820 comes to me first and then kind of just play 00:37:57.820 --> 00:38:03.860 it by ear that way. Yeah, we've got a long, long 00:38:03.860 --> 00:38:06.019 -term project going right now that's going to 00:38:06.019 --> 00:38:10.780 be a YJ body on a 4Runner frame with a Toyota 00:38:10.780 --> 00:38:13.199 engine. I mean, Toyota everywhere except for 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:17.039 the YJ body. And originally the plan was to just 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.320 cut the frame behind the rear axle so it fit 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.340 the YJ. But we've been discussing turning it 00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:25.239 into a brute because we'll have that little bit 00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:30.420 of extra frame there. Yeah. So we'll see. Either 00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:32.500 way, that's going to be a really cool one. Then 00:38:32.500 --> 00:38:36.739 to have all Toyota suspension stuff on it. I 00:38:36.739 --> 00:38:39.539 know. The point is to piss off the Jeep guys. 00:38:39.980 --> 00:38:42.059 Oh, yeah. You'll do great. There's a company 00:38:42.059 --> 00:38:46.440 out there that makes IFS conversions for the 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:51.019 JK. They're super expensive. I was like, man, 00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:56.579 just to be different? Right. What do they use 00:38:56.579 --> 00:39:01.039 it for? Baja kind of shit? Isn't that the only 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:06.880 thing IFS does a little better than solid? Probably. 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.880 A lot of people go to the IFS because they do 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:16.510 ride fairly nice. Other than that, it's not something 00:39:16.510 --> 00:39:18.730 i would like yeah let me ifs swap this to go 00:39:18.730 --> 00:39:22.110 hit the trails like right yeah it's more like 00:39:22.110 --> 00:39:25.269 a like a trophy truck kind of thing yeah i would 00:39:25.269 --> 00:39:29.150 imagine i uh i saw i saw a jk with twin ibeam 00:39:29.150 --> 00:39:32.389 on youtube the other day and i just it's just 00:39:32.389 --> 00:39:36.510 wild to me yeah because i i remember having to 00:39:36.510 --> 00:39:39.769 rebuild my twin ibeam on my f -250 all the time 00:39:39.769 --> 00:39:42.289 and now people are putting them on their jeeps 00:39:42.289 --> 00:39:45.730 it's just yeah Like, this is the best thing ever. 00:39:46.369 --> 00:39:50.349 Yeah. And I'm like, man, back in the mid -2000s, 00:39:50.349 --> 00:39:55.070 we were rebuilding those all the time. I don't 00:39:55.070 --> 00:39:57.010 even know what I -beam is. Hold on, let me educate 00:39:57.010 --> 00:40:06.309 myself. Twin I -beam? Yeah, let me do that. Searching. 00:40:07.690 --> 00:40:11.949 Just look up a 97 F -250, or front end, that'll 00:40:11.949 --> 00:40:16.260 give you an idea. Oh, okay, yeah. It's like, 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.000 I don't know the names of them, but I kind of 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:22.880 like, I know what they look like. Yeah. Twin, 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:25.719 twin I beam is good for go fast jump applications 00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.340 pretty much. Right. I'll have to share the one 00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:31.800 guy. It looked like he had two different. It's 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.820 like, it looked like two different, um, like 00:40:34.820 --> 00:40:39.559 just axles on his Yoda. Uh, it looked kind of 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:41.820 like an I beam, but it started in the middle 00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:45.099 and came out. It was like a, you know what I'm 00:40:45.099 --> 00:40:48.340 saying? I don't really know how to explain it. 00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:52.099 I'm not very good with words. That's what the 00:40:52.099 --> 00:40:57.139 Bronco 2 came with. Oh, yeah. Those would have 00:40:57.139 --> 00:41:05.800 had the, yeah. I think all F -150s, the Bronco, 00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:08.719 well, the Bronco had them too, right? Those weren't 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:14.199 solid axle. Right. And then. So F -150s, Broncos, 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.559 Bronco IIs, F -250s. I mean, pretty much everything 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:19.980 in the Ford lineup until you got to one tons. 00:41:20.980 --> 00:41:27.460 Yep. I don't think Chevy or Dodge ever even messed 00:41:27.460 --> 00:41:29.179 with twin I -beam. I think it was only Ford. 00:41:32.860 --> 00:41:35.079 Yeah, not that I can think of off the top of 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.139 my head. Because Chevy always had their weird 00:41:38.139 --> 00:41:41.820 IFS with the crazy long control or trailing arms. 00:41:42.820 --> 00:41:49.179 Yeah. Dodge for the most part was solid axle. 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:56.199 Yeah. Yeah, we had an F -250 growing up, but 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.059 for the most part it was Jeeps, and Jeeps are 00:41:58.059 --> 00:42:01.920 always solid axles. Right. At least in my situation. 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.800 I guess there are newer ones that are IFS. Yeah. 00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:09.559 Or IRS, because the Trailhawks are IFS and IRS. 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.860 Yep. and they don't flex at all. They look like 00:42:14.860 --> 00:42:16.960 a board just tipping side to side on the trail. 00:42:20.980 --> 00:42:24.860 But, yeah, we're hitting about 45 minutes. I 00:42:24.860 --> 00:42:26.380 think it's a good time to call it. I got a lot 00:42:26.380 --> 00:42:30.820 to do this weekend. Yeah. Thanks for coming on, 00:42:30.900 --> 00:42:35.159 Scotty. Yeah. I can't wait to see the UA video 00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.500 this year. It's cool having someone. I mean, 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:39.480 I know we've never met in person, but we talk 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.250 online every once in a while. Oh, yeah. it's 00:42:42.250 --> 00:42:44.309 cool having someone I, you know, quote unquote, 00:42:44.429 --> 00:42:49.190 no being in there. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's I'm 00:42:49.190 --> 00:42:50.670 really looking forward to the trip. Like I said, 00:42:50.710 --> 00:42:54.349 if you, cause I'm gonna start posting videos 00:42:54.349 --> 00:42:57.989 on the car here soon on that, on my Thunder Fox 00:42:57.989 --> 00:43:01.789 garage. I've got Thunder Fox garage, Facebook, 00:43:01.829 --> 00:43:05.449 Instagram, and YouTube. I'm going to post everything. 00:43:06.460 --> 00:43:08.599 I'm going to record my trip on the way out there, 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:10.860 the whole entire trip. I'm going to try to do 00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:12.840 the best I can to get some actual good footage 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.460 of it. It's something I'm going to want to look 00:43:15.460 --> 00:43:20.920 back on years from now, I'm sure. They always 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.139 do a good time putting out good videos too, so 00:43:23.139 --> 00:43:26.019 it'll be cool to see your take on how things 00:43:26.019 --> 00:43:29.019 go and their takes. Now that they've separated 00:43:29.019 --> 00:43:32.320 from Motor Trend, they have a lot more freedom. 00:43:32.989 --> 00:43:35.849 to do that kind of stuff and so that's that's 00:43:35.849 --> 00:43:38.190 been their main focus is getting as much content 00:43:38.190 --> 00:43:41.030 out for these trips as they as they ever did 00:43:41.030 --> 00:43:45.469 in the past yeah that and that motor trend that 00:43:45.469 --> 00:43:50.590 motor trend collapse is kind of wild yep but 00:43:50.590 --> 00:43:53.969 at least we uh still have all the cool personalities 00:43:53.969 --> 00:43:56.550 even if they're not with motor trend oh right 00:43:56.550 --> 00:43:58.489 yeah at least i'm glad that they didn't just 00:43:58.489 --> 00:44:01.949 when they ended everything else ended and um 00:44:02.349 --> 00:44:05.670 Just to add a little bit to this trip, without 00:44:05.670 --> 00:44:11.989 spoiling too much, my trip isn't going to just 00:44:11.989 --> 00:44:22.909 end on UA. Okay. So there will be more trip details 00:44:22.909 --> 00:44:28.329 after that. All right. That sounds interesting. 00:44:28.730 --> 00:44:34.679 Yeah. It's like a little spoiler here. Yeah. 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:41.079 So yeah, we'll definitely watch a Thunder Fox 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:45.719 garage on all the socials. Scotty does some really 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.920 cool stuff. So yeah, we'll thank you. We'll catch 00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:49.599 you guys later.