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to do with the outdoors. This is a wrap. We're
back on the wrap train, doing wraps all the time.
I love to wrap my wraps. There's a chicken salad
wrap that my uncle used to make that I really
need to get the recipe for. Sorry. I mean, it's
on topic, but off topic. It's on topic, man,
because now I'm thinking about snack wraps, and
I might need to drive over to McDonald's. Dude,
they are not what they used to be. They're not,
but I still like them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No,
it had chicken. I think it was mayo -based. It
had a little bit of chicken, a little bit of
ranch. And it had cut apples, and I thought the
apples and blueberries in it would be really
gross. Oh, my God, they had a whole different,
like, level of flavor you just reminded me because
i need it i i used to like live off of it so
um there's such a it's a good like trail snack
if sienna and by the way i'm gonna complain here
before we actually get into the wrap sienna doesn't
like wraps so it really sucks because that's
like what i prefer they're so easy to make having
to make sandwiches all the time i'm not big on
bread dude That's what we eat when we're camping.
That's our lunch food is wraps. Yeah. Yeah, dude.
I would be fine with four bags of tortillas or
something. I'd eat my peanut butter sandwiches
on my, because I used to roll up peanut butter
tortillas. I love peanut butter rollies. Yeah,
there you go. Dude, and for trail stuff, dude,
peanut butter jelly rollies, as the kids say,
that shit slaps. You could even do like cheese
roll -ups where you put some cheese on, roll
it up, wrap it in tinfoil, throw it in the coals.
Cheesy rolls. Yeah, cheesy roll -ups are the
shit too. You can't beat them. Like tortilla.
I'm not even hungry when we're talking about
this. Are we that fat? No. But it's good for,
it gives some people some ideas for trail snacks.
Yum. Our main trail snack, I mean, we always
do a big bag of trail mix in each truck. Yeah,
I remember you saying that. Cars, it has to be
cars. Yep. But then we always have wraps, at
least in a cooler, so we can make them on the
fly real quick. Yeah, our trail slash road snack
is always like big sunflower seeds. Me and Sienna
will just eat that while we're driving and stuff
or on the trail. But yeah, so I had a revelation
today. We don't have any mayonnaise at home.
and I went to go make tuna salad. Guess what?
Thousand Island Dressing makes a fucking amazing
tuna salad base instead of mayo. I might have
to try that. Oh, dude, it's already got a little
bit of relish kind of stuff in it. It's already
got all the flavoring and all that. Dude, it
was perfect. I didn't really have to add anything.
All I did was add cracked pepper and hot sauce
because I'm a hot sauce bitch. It was so good.
That's another thing we've done for trails. Well,
not trail snacks, but like lunches. Yeah. Is
we'll get a rotisserie chicken from Sam's Club
because they're $5. So we'll get like two or
three of those. And then we bring it home and
we shred them and make chicken salad. And then
just put it in the cooler. Do you remember the
COVID guy? The rotisserie chicken cooler? covid
guy that went around okay so there was this guy
who would buy like go to costco or sam's club
and he was a fucking like nut dude so he had
a barcode t -shirt on and the barcode t -shirt
that was the barcode for the rotisserie chickens
at the sam's club or costco and he didn't want
anybody touching his chicken because he didn't
want covid on them so he brought he bought three
rotisserie chickens to the line And there's video
of this. He's like, scan my shirt. And they're
like, huh? And they go to reach for the rotisserie.
Don't fucking touch the chicken. He's like, scan
my shirt. This is the rotisserie chicken. He
goes, I don't want anyone touching my chicken.
Like, it was just so funny. And he looks like,
he kind of looked kind of like that old dude
off of It's Always Sunny. Oh, my God. You know
what I mean? He just gave me that same kind of
impression. That's like. But it was really funny.
So rotisserie chicken also gives me a headache
when I eat it. So I have to eat it cold. Really?
For some reason, when it's hot, I don't know
if it's the grease or preservatives or how it's
cooked, it gives me a headache. KFC chicken does
the same thing. But when I eat it cold, it doesn't.
I don't know why. Yeah. But yeah, Sam's Club
rotisserie chicken makes the best chicken salad.
Yeah. Very good. The Jeans and Meyer ones, not
only are they twice the cost of the Sam's Club,
they're never as good. And Costco's is all right,
but it's not as good as Sam's Club. Speaking
of chicken, so there's also this trend going
around. Have you ever heard of Dave's Hot Chicken?
It's a chicken fast food restaurant or whatever.
They have massive fucking chicken breasts. And
they have all different hot chicken flavors,
and they have one called the Reaper Chicken,
where it's just dry coated in Carolina Reaper
powder. Carolina Reapers. Yes, dude. It's dark,
dark red. And they make you sign a waiver on
the receipt because it's that bad. Dude, I went
on a trend of watching people try this. Not only
does a chicken look perfectly cooked and juicy
every time they bite it, And you could hear the
crunch, which just always makes me hungry when
you hear that crunch. Dude, within 30 seconds,
they're just fucking sweating and crying. And
I'm like, I want to try it once. It's $9 for
one. Like, I'm eating that whole fucking chicken
breast for $9. God damn it. Just once. Like,
dude, I'll be dead probably. Like, because it
kills you twice. Well. Yeah. Well, now that we're
seven minutes into our wrap that's supposed to
be about weekend recaps and plans, what'd you
do last weekend? What'd I do last weekend? I
don't know. I'm trying to remember. I won a giveaway.
That happened last weekend. Yeah, two of them.
I won two giveaways. I won a giveaway through
Nobsight. I call them Novacite, but I don't think
they have an I after an OV, so I think it's Novacite.
I just think it's Novacite. Yeah, I always call
it Novacite. But anyway, I won a giveaway for
them, so I have some little triangle pods, and
we now have an idea of how we're going to set
them up on the rig. That's what I'm going to
do, what we talked about earlier. Yeah. I think
that's going to be pretty good. You're going
to buy like four more sets of them and do the
up, down, up, down thing across your grill? Yeah.
Well, I'm not going to buy the NoveSite ones,
but the Temu ones are exactly the same, at least
judging by the profile picture since they have
NoveSite in the background. Yeah. And they're
$45 for a set of two. That's not bad. No. So
I'm going to buy two sets of those, and that'll
be six. I don't think I'm going to need eight
because that's three inch. So I'll have to measure
my grill because I'm just going to center it
right in the middle of my grill is take that
little Toyota part out. That's sitting there
and that it'll just be lights there. And I think
that'll look really cool. It's recessed and I'm
going to have the two on either side on the far
ends pointed out a little bit. So I'll have the
four in the middle. I might have those angled
up or down a little bit just to help with coverage.
But I'll have the other two pointing out to help
push out. And then I'll connect them all together
because I won't need, you know what I mean, I'm
not going to need that much articulation. So
I'm just going to splice all of them together
on that. And then me and you are going to spend
some time hooking up all the function on that.
Well, why are the two different functions on
a box, on my panel? But, yeah. It's going to
be really cool, though. It'll look cool. It will
be. It'll be different. Oh, come on. I think
you'll like it when it's all said and done. You'll
have so many Doritos on the front of your truck,
dude. You've already got two Doritos. I'll probably
move those if I do that. I mean, that only makes
sense, right? I mean, because at that point,
it's overkill. I don't know. Although all those
will be amber. So maybe having the white pods
up front might be nice. It'd be kind of cool
if you could offset them so that you have like
an amber one, a white one, an amber one, a white
one, an amber one or something. I'll have to
check because I think that they also have a white.
I was going to say, because then you could have
the option to do white or the option to do amber,
which, in my opinion, is pretty killer, because
sometimes the amber light just doesn't cut it
when you need to see something. Yeah, well, my
headlights do really good, too. And then I'm
going to get that last fit that gets like a 40
-ish single LED far. And I'm going to do that
up top on that cutout where the Prinsu goes.
I think that's the one I... That might be the
one I have on the back of the truck. Is that
a 40 -inch? I'm looking right now. I want to
say yours is like a 20 -something, I think. It
might be a 24 -inch. I'm assuming it's a 24.
So 40 is noticeably wider. My dogs are being
absolutely fucking ridiculous right now. That's
okay. Oh, it's 22 -inch. Yeah, so if anyone hears
a bunch of clicking and knocking, it's my dogs
being dogs. It happens. But, yeah, so I won that,
and then I won a pedestal fan, which just so
happens to be the same fan I'm using now, same
brand. Ogre. Yep, Ogre. So I'm going to donate
my old Ogre fan, old as in it's less than a month
old, to Alex, and I'm going to use that pedestal
one because a lot of the times we camp in a smaller
tent. That ogre -y is really good at just, like,
I used it for two, three days straight when we
were out camping. So it was really good for that.
I'm really excited. I don't know. I'm really
excited to hang that in the swag at my feet,
just pointed at me, pulling cold air in all the
time. Dude, will that be in contact with the
window? Like, to be able to pull in? yeah it
should uh dude i think it might be basically
ac i don't point oh i'm so i'm dude i'm excited
even if i close even when i close the side doors
right the two big ones it'll be like a tunnel
effect where it's just blowing cold air over
me it's gonna be sick that's sick i'm so dude
i'm so stoked yeah i i uh yeah So is that all
you did last weekend? Yeah, but I will include
yesterday's fun because it's close, and it's
good to talk about on the wrap. So, you know,
my father -in -law, his car broke down, so he's
been borrowing my wife's car, and she's been
borrowing my FJ, and since I work from home now,
I don't really need it. Well, she was picking
up my kid yesterday. and all of a sudden she
pulls into the daycare parking lot, and the Christmas
tree lights turn on on the FJ, and she starts
getting this loud, constant beep from the dash.
And she calls me, and I'm like, I have no idea.
And she's like, yeah, okay, I think you're out
of brake fluid. And I'm like, well, that means
we have a leak somewhere. So she popped the hood,
looked in there, and she's like, oh, yeah, that's
fucking dry. There's no brake fluid in there
whatsoever. And I'm like. Well, check the lines
by the wheels. Maybe I snagged something when
I was trailing the other day. And she just went
around the corner of the truck, looked at the
driver's side of the rear, and there's just a
puddle sitting around the tire. And she's like,
found it. That was a big puddle. That was a big
puddle. So I've been meaning to change my brake
pads out, and I went to... Do them either Sunday
or Monday, but because she's been borrowing the
truck, I haven't really had the time to do it
or the chance to do it, plus the rain. And they
went out. We lost a pad somewhere, and the caliper
was pretty much just dragging against the rotor
and overextended the piston, and it leaked all
the way out the piston seal. I'm assuming that's
what it was. Yep. And, yeah, it leaked all my
brake fluid out the piston seal. So I called
Alex, said, hey it's an emergency i need your
help and he goes i'll grab my tools and that
was he fucking came over picked me up and uh
we went to daycare backed it up into a um you
know another parking spot i had to go grab a
another caliper because my caliper was fucking
toast i mean done There was barely anything left
of the one side of it. It had been sitting on
that rotor for a while. So my rotors are toast
on that one. My caliper was toast. We replaced
the caliper, put new pads on it, and I'll have
to get another caliper, another set of pads,
and two rotors to make everything right. And
I'm probably going to do that Friday or Saturday
and try to get that done before I go. depending
on how much, you know, our allotment, like I
told you, but, um, but yeah, so that was really
fun. That was a fun way to end my night last
night. Um, I had shit to do and he had shit to
do, but life happens and, and he was there. So,
so it's really cool. We, we did all that fun
stuff. And then I came back and edited yesterday.
I guess it'll be Tuesdays or. Wednesday's episode
for you guys but I edited Wednesday's episode
and got that out on time even though it's supposed
to be out on Tuesday but whatever yeah that was
fun man yeah we got to hang out a little bit
too we don't hang out a ton despite being seven
minutes away from each other but yeah I think
that was since doing the long travel I think
that might be my first time on the expressway
I don't remember going on the expressway with
long travel yeah I mean it did good I mean, no
problems. So 4Runner is now expressway travel
rated. I even did 75. Yeah, dude. And it wasn't
terrifying. No. I mean, honestly, his steering
wheel is a lot more solid than mine when I go
on 75. Mine gets a small vibration, and I just
thought it was from the tires, but I'm assuming
it's not now, judging by yours. So I might have
to address that at some point. Because it goes
away. It's a certain range of speed. It'll get
a little rattly, but not a lot. That might be
your ECG. Well, you replace it with an ECGS bushing.
It's your... Oh, you know what? I look retarded.
It's your... Needle bearing? It's a little needle
bearing, but I can't remember the name. Is it
the needle bearing for the CV? Yeah. Joe was
telling me that, too. And I've got the tool to
change it. Well, Duncan bought it, but we have
the tool to change it. Right. So when I do that,
I'll just redo the seal and the needle bearing.
I don't think I'll need new CVs. Well, I might
buy new CVs just because we're doing it all anyway.
Yeah, I also need to order new CVs. Not because
mine are bad, but because... all of my spare
cvs are for forerunners and now i need tundra
cvs so i have no spares yeah and yours won't
fit mine we were talking about damn it yep so
rock auto 45 bucks i don't know what they are
but yeah i think it's like it's like a hundred
to buy a set off ebay which is probably what
i'll do yeah so yeah that's fun i'm not buying
them from autozone even though i get a good discount
they're way too expensive although the issue
Well, the good thing about buying them from AutoZone
is I always get the warranty. So if they ever
go out, I'll always have a replacement for free.
It's like you have to buy it once and you won't
need to buy it again, basically. But you also
have to be close to an AutoZone when it breaks.
Right. Or you have to have a way to get to one.
And they have to have it. Right. I like O 'Reilly's
for the same reason. I do a lot of O 'Reilly's
stuff just because then there's an O 'Reilly's
everywhere. Right. I mean, AutoZones. I just
take the part. AutoZones are everywhere. And
also, my wife is a store manager at AutoZones,
so it does help. She's got a little bit of push
-pull. She knows how the system works, so it
helps with getting returns and stuff. But what
about you? What did you do this weekend? yeah
this weekend was great i got out of work early
because i still have no turkeys so i went up
north to my grandpa's for the first time in five
years and hung out with a bunch of horse people
it was dude it's crazy thinking about the ranch
like when because i grew up going to the ranch
right and it was just a family thing and now
there's like like there are 60 some trucks and
trailers there this weekend like it was crazy
right um But it was fun. My dogs are absolute
assholes, and they want to meet every dog, so
they were annoying as hell the entire weekend.
Because when we did our camping trip two weekends
ago, Wrangler's hips got really sore from being
crowded in the swag. So what I did was I set
up the canopy and then put the swag in the canopy
and then also put my cot in there, and that worked
out great because there was plenty of space for
everyone to sleep. The dogs had their own space.
Yeah, it just worked out really well. But after
doing that, I realized it's just time to get
Wrangler's own space. So I ordered a 23 -0 woof
den, which is pretty much just my swag, but scaled
down for dogs. So cool. It's so cool, dude. And
it's funny because you can double it for the
kid if he ever needs it and you don't have the
dogs. I actually... For Christmas, I plan on
getting him a single -person swag, but I want
to get him a full -size one. That way he can
have it from now until he's an adult. Yeah, and
they don't really, you know, they last forever,
so. Yeah. It's not like you're going to, it's
not like it's a bad investment doing it. Yeah,
the worst you'd have to do is maybe put a new
mattress in it at some point, you know, and that's
not hard. No. But, yeah, I'm really excited about
this Woof Den. It's $130, so it's not like it.
you know it's super crazy expensive i mean i
guess for a dog yeah it's kind of crazy it's
a little bit but uh we're gonna use it as his
crate here at the house too because his crate
i built his crate for another dog back in like
2017 and she destroyed this thing so he's just
been chilling in a crate that if he really wanted
out he just has to push the door and it'll open
but he's a good dog and doesn't care so he likes
that crate though It's his little home. He does.
That's the only thing I feel afraid of is, like,
dogs that get really attached to that kind of
thing. Right. Well, I'm going to do it slow.
So I'm going to move his bedding into the woof
den. And then after a while, he'll start to get
used to going in there. And then I'll take his
crate out after that. Because my goal is to get
him used to the woof den at home with all his
stuff in it. So then when it's time to go camping,
I just, you know. Roll it up and basically his
house just comes with us. Hell yeah, dude. Yeah,
it's such a cool fucking tent. I'd look for like
a liner for the mattress. That way you can wash
that. You don't have to wash the whole thing
constantly. There's no mattress in it right now.
So we're going to start with just putting the
bedding that's in his crate in there. And it's
got a bathtub. I mean, it's not like a cheaply
made thing. It's made like a tent. But I also,
after this weekend, the kid kept stealing my
chair because he didn't want his little chair.
He wanted a big chair. So I ordered a 23 -0 trail
compact chair. I'm at a point where I've kind
of realized 23 -0 makes stuff that I can trust.
So I've kind of just been buying their stuff
lately. Sponsor us. They should. Yeah, they should
sponsor us. Hashtag. I do have an application
in right now, so hopefully that gets approved
because I'd love cheaper 23 .0 gear. I have an
application. I know the site. They said they
would be honored to work with me. Excuse me.
Man, sorry. That snuck up on me. Yeah, they said
they'd be honored to work with me, and they're
like, let's get back. We'll get back to you after
we look at your socials. I'm like, don't look
at my socials. I'm really excited for this chair,
though, because it's four pounds, and it folds
down to like six by ten or something like that.
Yeah. Which has kind of been the standard for
chair sizes for me, just because the Forerunner
has no freaking space. Mm -hmm. So having something
small like that's kind of crucial. Yeah. I'll
be getting the Novosight ones. 45 % because they're
cool, and 55 % because they actually have a good
weight rating. They have a full head, like full
back on it that you can put your head on, and
I believe they recline a little bit too. The
23 .0 doesn't recline, but that's specifically
why I went with it is it's got the part for my
head. Yeah, I want, dude, because when I fall
asleep in those chairs, which I will fall asleep,
that's the point. is i want to be able to rest
my head dude i'll do this whole like chicken
head thing yeah my head's just bobbing all over
the place i can't sleep like alan where he just
kind of hangs his head down just can't start
snoring away mid -conversation yeah the fuck
like you sleep too good Yeah, this is the most
I've ever spent on a camp chair, so it better
be fucking good. You know, I'm slowly, slowly
getting Alex's tax thing, and it's just fabulous.
Well, no, you're not, because the stuff I'm buying,
you would never have bought. I would have. Oh.
Yeah, I mean, like the swag, absolutely. Had
I honestly known about them. Yeah. I, yeah, that's,
I mean, I just, so like, I'm, especially if I
was solo, if I was solo, the swag, a hundred
percent, it, no competition. The, the two person,
like the smaller two person swags, they would
fit in the truck. Like they're not as big as
mine. Mine's insane. Well, isn't yours a two?
Mine's the biggest two you can buy. And that's
probably what I'd still do because with the kid.
Yeah. Even on your footprint, yours is just a
bit wider than mine. I'll have to do a measurement
on that. But even then, we're like stacked up.
We can't sleep flat arm to arm with each other.
It's just not working. Yeah, I'm sending a link
right now for the one I'm getting Jackson. Oh,
no, that's not what I want to send. Go back.
This one is... i mean it's a small two -person
right like mine is uh 1550 this is a 900 but
it's still considered a two -person right um
but this like if i was solo dude and i i would
have bought this over my light fighter had i
known they existed well i didn't buy the light
fighter but like it's just it's perfect it's
the perfect size for one person and you can put
them on cots like So the Dual 900 is 85 -inch
by 43 -inch by 33 -inch. The Dual 1100 is the
same. So what's the difference? I don't remember,
but there is a difference. Let's see. Measurements,
feature specs. They've got to have one of those
little comparison charts, I'm sure. Scrolling.
Oh. Karua. Karua Kala. Temperature regulating
inner camping tent. Oh, it's an interior tent.
Oh. Anyway. The other brand that I've been seeing
that I am kind of interested in, they're called
like Kakadu or something like that. Kakadu, huh?
Yeah. K -A -K -A -D -U. And they've got some
really cool freaking swags. I actually was having
a hard time deciding between their two -person
or the 230 one. Yeah. But I ended up with the
230 because theirs has three pulls, three hoop
pulls instead of two. And I didn't want that
divider where I'd have to climb through a tiny
hole. Oh, okay. Yeah. Same thing with the OVS.
I didn't get the OVS because, one, it looks a
hell of a lot cheaper. It does not look that
well built at all. And then on top of that, it's
got three hoops instead of two. Right. So it's
got that other divider. Yeah, I generally think
that OVS makes some good stuff, but their swag
looks like shit. It looks bad. It's bad. Right.
I just sent you a tent that looks kind of interesting
called a He -Wolf. Kind of looks kind of like
the Acacia tents we were looking at. That was
kind of cool. Yeah, so these are kind of cool.
They're, like, quick setup ones. I've watched
some reviews on them, and durability on them
isn't great. Right. But, like, the idea behind
it's cool. It's all folded up. You just put it
out and pop the center up, and boom, it's done.
Yeah. It's a he -wolf. Two - to four -person
camping tent. Yeah. If you want to look it up
on Amazon for the listeners. Yeah, it's... I'm
just so fascinated by the tent game. I mean,
there's just so much to see. And ground tents
have gotten insane, dude. So this He -Wolf is
more comparable to your core tent than the Acacia.
There is... A company called like Fantic Outdoor.
Yeah. They make something pretty close to the
Acacia. I've seen the Fantic ones. Yeah. That
one to me is literally just a pop -up deer blind.
I mean, that's what a lot of them are. They're
modded out either deer blinds or like someone
took the pop -up ice shanties and just redesigned
them a little bit. But the same thing, really.
And you know what? I've thought about it a lot,
like clamshell style ice shanties and just pop
-up ice shanties in general. You could definitely
use those. They're insulated well. I mean, they're
pretty, I would imagine they got to be somewhat
rain repellent, you know. So back before we started
doing the whole overland thing, we actually did
a camping trip with my Rhino 180 deer blind as
our tent. And for anyone that doesn't know what
the Rhino 180 is, from the inside, two of the
walls are completely see -through. But from the
outside, you can't see through it. Oh, yeah,
I've seen those. So you'd be in there sleeping
or something, and someone would walk by, and
you'd feel like they were in the tent with you.
Yeah, those are really cool. I like the idea
of those having the, it's like one -way mirror
almost. Like the other side's like camo or whatever.
But the inside you can see completely through.
Really like the idea of that. Even for just like
your typical screens on tents, I would really
like that. Because I'd like to have that open
airflow. Like the first couple days when we were
camping, we didn't even need a rain fly. But
you kind of want the privacy sometimes if you're
changing in the tent. It'd be nice to have it
be like a one -way screen. Yeah. I just, I don't
get why they don't. Maybe it doesn't promote
as good as an airflow because it's thick. Like,
I don't know. It must be like thicker webbing.
We should go into business together and design
this. Be a really cool tent. Exit game. Yeah.
Yeah. Right. No shit. Yeah. We'll put it up on
both of our stores. I bet you it'd sell too.
And if we could do it kind of swag style with
the screen being that way. Sorry, my internet
went bad. Oh. That's okay. Yes, with the screens
like that, that'd be really cool. I'm assuming
that's what you said. Yeah, I said if we could
do it swag style, where it's quick setup with
a mattress in it, and then have that for screens,
oh, it'd be chef's kiss. I think we'd do that.
Do one that's another one that's more pop -up,
like not the core, but the other one that's like
over land -priced. Yeah. Wouldn't like the gazelle,
but I want to do a gazelle with a full rain fly.
Do gazelles not have a full rain fly? I don't
think so. I know I was really impressed. I know
I talk crap about the gazelles, but I was impressed
with, yeah, they don't have a full rain fly.
Chris. uh over the tracks or whatever across
the tracks yeah um so he's got the gazelle the
big one with basically two pop -ups yeah and
when we were in kentucky dude it was fucking
downpouring i mean just dumping buckets of water
on us and i noticed that his windows were open
so i went and closed them and there was almost
no water in that thing i mean it was bone dry
even with the windows wide open yeah Yeah, I
mean, they're decent tents. I think there's just
some quality control issues. That's a lot of
things. It's quality control. Like, when you
get a good gazelle, they're great. Yeah. But
if you hit the lottery, well, the bad lottery,
I guess, and you get a shitty one, it kind of
ruins it, you know? My issue with gazelles is
that they're glorified deer blinds, and they're
that expensive, and they do have a quality control
issue. Yeah. And you know what? I hate to say
it, but a lot of shit nowadays is having quality
control issues. Dude, it's just... That's why
when I find a company that has good quality,
I just stick with it. And you just hope to God
that you're just one of the... Yeah. That you're
not one of the few, you know? Like... Like the
20 through zero thing. They have good quality,
so that's who I'll stick with until they piss
me off, in which case I'll find someone else.
And it's funny because when you ask for recommendations,
it's almost hard to ask anybody ever, ever for
recommendations because their recommendation
is based off of their experience. But for Oxbeam,
this is a great comparison. Oxbeam. Yeah. I love
my Oxbeam pods. They've done really well for
me. I've never had an issue with them. And a
couple of guys from MST are the same way. Alex,
on the other hand, got a faulty set that fucked
up, and then he tried to get a hold of customer
service, and they fucked him over too. Well,
they weren't responsive like they should have
been at least. So it's like, on my hand, yes,
they're great. The customer service I've experienced
was good. Alex, complete opposite. So at what
point? Who do you take? With Oxbeam, I'll tell
you that I was just unlucky. I like Oxbeam. I
think they make decent lights. I just am a little
more leery about purchasing Oxbeam stuff because
of my customer service experience. And everybody
knows customer service can make or break a company.
So not being able, I mean, God, who is it? WeBoost.
When I accidentally fried my fucking WeBoost,
I got a hold of them, let them know the situation
that it fried. And they were like, what's your
address? Told them my address. They're like,
yep, we'll ship you out one. It's on the way.
They got a hold of me within eight hours of me
sending them the message, which is spectacular
for me. That right there sold it as WeBoost being
a great company for me. Well, an expo. Yeah.
You know, I had my expo break and I reached out
to them and it was within a week they'd sent
me a new control box and had the winch working
again. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah,
it really does make it or break it. And if you
remember, because it broke the day before we
recorded, and I made the comment, this will be
the determining factor on if Expo's worth it.
I'll tell you right now, Expo's great. I love
my Expo. Yep, it really is that important. So
to you companies that start, you know, I don't
know, start skimming a little bit when it comes
to customer service, don't. Because a lot of
us are going off of peer recommendations. Yep.
And we're going off of other people's experience
when we're talking about this stuff. Especially
now that Facebook groups are so big and everybody's
going off of everybody else's questions. It's
like, you guys want to make sure your shit's
handled. Your customer service is good. You handle
these complaints. And when I worked at Tractor
Supply, their viewpoint was... was if the customer
has an issue, figure it out. Get them situated
because you have one mad customer that can affect
a thousand customers. Makes one bad post on social
media now and you lose a thousand customers or
it goes viral and all of a sudden a million.
So it only takes one. So at the end of the day,
just figure it out, make sure they're happy.
And you might lose a little money in the short
term, but you're... You're gaining people, you
know, long -term customers and return customers
in the long run. Yeah. Yeah, and if you're not
going to have good customer service, price your
stuff cheap enough that it doesn't matter. Yeah,
that we could just buy a new set because we don't
want to deal with you. I mean, that's really
the skinny of it. Like if it's going to be, I'd
say it's going to be shitty customer service
or you're not going to have it at all. I want
$30 for a 40 inch light bar. Shut up. I would
use, I'd use Bauer as an example, but I've actually
had good customer service with them and their
stuff's cheap. So yeah. Hey dude, look at that.
We're at 37 already. Yeah, look at that. Blew
right past our 30 -minute mark. That's what happens
when you talk about wraps for seven minutes.
Yeah. So, all right, guys. We will catch you
guys later. Catch you on the flip.