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Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk

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about everything from gear reviews to trail stories,

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tank camping to rock landing, and all things

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to do with the outdoors. We have Kurt from Busted

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to Built, and I'll tell you, we have started

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this recording like three times. Today is not

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our day for podcasts. No. Apparently not. Just

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hanging out with the boys. Yeah. Yeah, just hanging

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out with the boys. So how you doing, Kurt? You've

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got, uh... What is that thing? A Tahoe? No. Nope.

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You're right. It is a Tahoe. Yep. 2004 Tahoe.

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Yep. Yep. The weirdest off -road truck you'll

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ever see. Yeah. I guess so far it seems like

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it is. So when I was building it, I didn't think

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it was that weird until you get it out in the

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wild amongst everything else. And yeah, it's

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kind of a, yeah, it sticks out a little bit.

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Yeah. Just a little bit. It pokes up a little

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bit. It's a little taller. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

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It's kind of big. So, but, uh, yeah, I don't

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know. I built that kind of based off of, I had

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a truck before that, that was just a regular

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cab pickup that I just kind of beat on it. I

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took it to Holly Oaks and the mounds and stuff

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like that. And, uh, I eventually kind of broke

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that truck in half. And so that's kind of what

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started the Tahoe. And you could say it being

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kind of overbuilt is that I just never wanted

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to end up back in that scenario. So it's, uh,

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there's a lot of steel on it. Yeah. typical gm

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things you broke it in half yeah yep it uh well

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i'll go back to that truck a little bit the truck

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i was beating on before it was a 92 chevy regular

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cab uh long bed and i had solid axle swap that

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with a 10 bolt chevy front axle Um, they're inherently

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not strong, but I never had an issue with the

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actual drive train part of it, but I actually,

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I sent it off of a jump, not intentionally, but

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my windshield was covered with mud and I just

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didn't see what was coming up. So anyways, I

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went airborne with it and broke the knuckle,

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right? Well, the C right off the axle, like the

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well broke the whole way around the tube and

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the. see come off and just the axle itself was

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what was holding kind of everything together

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but like the whole knuckled flip forward and

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we had to drag it onto a trailer and so that

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was what broke on that truck but um anyways there

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wasn't much left of it by the time that was done

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so that was i had like a year where i didn't

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have anything that i was wheeling with at all

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um And so then I just wanted to build something

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and that's how the Tahoe got started. And I just

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kind of memories the whole while of the things

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that I had snapped on truck one. And so it's

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like, well, I'm going to try to beef this up

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a little bit or beef this up a little bit. And

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so that's kind of what happened with the Tahoe.

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And it wasn't even supposed to be a Tahoe or

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necessarily it wasn't going to be. I just had

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the frame that I started on and the frame I got

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from my brother for nothing. he just had it sitting

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around for a project he was working on that he

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took parts off of. And so I was like, well, that'd

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be the bones I start with. And it was a Chevy

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frame, Oh four Chevy, 2 ,500 HD. And it was a

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six liter. So it just had the engine mounts for

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a gas LS in it already. So that was already set

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up. It's like, well, this is good bones. I'll

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start with that. And, uh, from there just kind

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of through, yeah, the kitchen sink at it. Yeah.

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Uh, so that's, That's a 5 .3 though, right? You

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didn't put a 6 .0 back in it? Nope, it's a 5

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.3. The truck that, yeah, the frame come from

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my brother. He was taking the motor and trans

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for his project. So he's building a square body

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Suburban right now, an 87. And so that'd be pretty

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cool when it's done. But yeah, it's taking him

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a little longer than it took me to do the Tahoe

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if I figure I got the frame. And he had already

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pulled the motor for his project. So he's a little

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behind schedule, but it's, his is coming. It's

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going to be a little cleaner than the Tahoe when

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he's done too. So, um, different, different kind

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of operation, but, uh, yeah, so I got that and,

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uh, I had a half ton Chevy, a 99 that I bought

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just for the engine and trans and everything.

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Um, typical frame rot was broke right in half

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between the cab and the box when I got it, but

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ran like a cherry. And so that was what the motor

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trans came out of for the Tahoe was what, uh,

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was just that. So anyway, so it's got the, so

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it's original motor for a Tahoe. So everybody

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can make sense of that. So everybody asks me

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right away. They're like, is that a five, three?

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It's like, yeah, it's five, three. And so they

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just assume it's the same motor that it came

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with, but it's like four different trucks just

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to make this thing what it is. So, yeah. And

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how much, uh, cause you've got four. ford axles

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right yep yep so what uh what leaf or what springs

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did you use on that uh so the 2500 springs are

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what i used on the rear of that um just the leaf

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springs that would come on the frame and then

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the front springs are actually six inch lift

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springs for an xj um all i can say about it is

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that would be the roughest riding xj if you put

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those springs under it because it carries the

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tahoe pretty good but um yeah yeah when i was

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building it i had um a buddy that gave me a bunch

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of goofy ford parts because his boss put a lift

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on his brand new super duty so he got like the

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old springs and crap so i kind of like mocked

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everything up with these old super duty springs

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or new super duty springs but they were just

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stock so they were way too heavy and they wouldn't

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i couldn't get enough extension out of them to

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droop as much as i wanted and so i figured if

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i went with a really like slinky like spring

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So I got kind of like the longest spring I could

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come up with for a stock application, which was,

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you know, basically a six inch XJ spring. And

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I'm sure you could find more or less, but that

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was kind of what worked. And that gave me the

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right amount of droop and compression and everything

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for the space that I was in. So, and it seems

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to ride okay, but it's not, it's nothing you

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take the whoops at with speed. So, no. So a little

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off -topic here, what is this white turbo truck

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I've been seeing on your page? Oh, yeah, that's

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kind of what started my YouTube thing. During

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COVID, just spare time, everybody had a little

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of that. So that was the project I started on,

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and that started as an 01 2500 HD 6 -liter auto

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truck. four -wheel drive and I went through and

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redid all that and there's a bunch of videos

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on my channel of it but that was when my editing

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skills and my video skills were very very poor

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so I can't even re -watch those videos so I wouldn't

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advise anybody going and re -watching a lot of

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them like you can go back a little ways and there's

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a few videos that are probably okay but a lot

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of them are like you know just poor editing and

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poor video quality but anyway so it's uh the

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proof's out there that i built it but anyways

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it's um it ended up having then i got a different

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truck that i took the body off of so it's an

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o5 half ton two -wheel drive body on an o1 2500

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hd chassis solid actually swapped um and then

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yeah six liter sloppy stage two cam uh turbo

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just ebay turbo kit where you get the log manifold

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and the turbo and So I was just going to ask

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who's turbo, but yeah, no eBay turbo, uh, Chinese

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more than likely, but, uh, uh, what do they call

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them? Wing bang blowers. Oh yeah. There's all

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kinds of names, man. I think I saved a screenshot

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of something like that with a meme with a bunch

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of them that I was looking at now that you brought

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that up. But, um, yeah, so, but anyway, I built

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that truck and, um, I, I tune all my stuff myself

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with HB tuners. And having the cam and the turbo

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at the same time was just two huge variables

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to try to tune it. And I got very discouraged

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with the tuning. And I also put it together with

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a five speed manual originally. So it was six

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liter turbo with a five speed NV4500. And I did

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not like that at all either because that was

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really hard to tune that trying to shift and

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do all that monkeying around with the laptop

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and stuff. so i couldn't really get anywhere

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fast so it went in the back burner um for yeah

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two or three years and so in the meantime yeah

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i broke that first mud truck and then i had also

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built the tahoe since it's this turbo truck's

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even really been driven uh over the winter i

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put automatic transmission in it finally a 4l80

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back in it um and that makes the drivability

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like 100 better and so that's That's really funny

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because most guys I know that tune say it's easier

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to tune a manual than an auto. Yeah. And it may

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be for a guy that actually knows what he's doing.

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I'm just some guy dinking his backyard as far

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as the tuning. I'm pretty good with cars and

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repair, but the performance and stuff like that,

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that is really like a whole nother level of understanding

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that it takes to do that. So a lot of credit

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to the people that do that because it's taken

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me years to tune. the three or four trucks that

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i've got a cam or a turbo on and you know it's

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that's more work than putting the parts in the

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parts takes 30 minutes to slap in there but to

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tune it so where it goes down the highway every

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time i mean that's a totally different story

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so that's where the tahoe is awesome because

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that one i don't care how it really runs when

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it's like necessarily at idle or I'm just kind

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of putzing along and stuff and it can get horrible

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economy you know I can run a 10 to 1 on that

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and I don't really care because I don't I'm not

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keeping track of that or anything you know whatever

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keeps the engine happy and so anyways yeah that

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one's kind of funner because I've gotten kind

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of ignorant with the tuning on that like I've

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got a lot of timing in that and all kinds of

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stuff where it should grenade you know if it

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was a daily driver it would pop but that one's

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a lot more fun because i don't really care about

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it like it's all just used parts and if this

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is really experimental the whole way through

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and right yeah so if i have to eventually replace

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the motor it's just going to get a six liter

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anyways so i'm not i'm not super concerned about

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that but um anyways yeah i don't know now i'm

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rambling i told you guys that you're gonna have

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a hard time opening me up and now i won't shut

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up Dude, this is just what we needed. Okay, okay.

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Good, good. Making a breakthrough then. Yeah,

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I agree with that. I built a couple turbo truck,

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well, a turbo truck and a turbo car. And the

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tuning, man, and even the power stroke, like,

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I couldn't have done that. I had to pay someone

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for that. Yeah. There's just no way. I even had,

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so I had the first generation HP tuner. Okay.

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The one that had the big box on it. Yep. and

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i messed around with it a little bit on my dodge

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and i just i couldn't even make the thing run

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like it was so bad yeah no it's it's an art for

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sure so um kind of luckily for me and i'll give

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my buddy here a shout out to ian he had a daily

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driver that he turboed put a cam in 06 chevy

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and so he went through all this kind of before

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i did with a lot of it as far as running me through

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you know at least this is the equipment you need

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this is how you kind of use it and um and he's

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actually an engine tester for gm um so he actually

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does a lot of the calibration stuff for gm engines

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so he's he's extremely knowledgeable and so i

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learned quite a bit from him and that kind of

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got me in the door and i popped a cam in my first

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truck and then after that you know then i kind

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of got a little more carried away as things went

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on and um Trying to learn a little bit, but I

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think I'm backing off of that a lot more because

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everything's getting more and more complex with

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the tuning and stuff. So I just like sticking

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with the Gen 3 LS stuff and just learning that

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and stick with it. That's the easier ones. I

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never even tried to tune anything. I've tried

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to adjust a carburetor. I fucked that up, so

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I have to stay away from that. Yeah, it'll be...

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I'm supercharging the 4Runner here soon. Oh,

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yeah. And I'm probably going to end up having

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to get that tuned because my wife doesn't want

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me to put a 5 -speed in it. If I could put a

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5 -speed in it, I have a 5 -speed CPU for it.

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Okay. Or PCM. But I don't know. I'll just keep

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working on it because I want the 5 -speed. yep

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yep you're saying that's fun leather go ahead

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leather leatherwood can uh really lock that in

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that i wanted a five speed because that was awful

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in an automatic no you didn't like that oh my

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god it was so bad yeah you say i i really like

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my auto at least off road um and i don't know

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i mean i'm sure it's preference what you prefer

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and what you're more comfortable with i'm definitely

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at the point where i just like to slap that thing

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in gear and i just foot on the brake and foot

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on the gas and that everything else can take

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care of itself but um you know everything in

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michigan i agree with you but like what we were

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doing down there and maybe if i had a heavier

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rig it would have been different or one with

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more power but Having that little tiny V6 in

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there, I definitely needed a 5 -speed to get

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out through a lot of that. Yep. Downhills were

00:14:14.659 --> 00:14:18.399
awful. I'll just put it that way. Sure, sure.

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Yeah, you definitely get a much lower first usually

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in a manual, so for sure. but yeah that's part

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of why i got rid of the manual in the turbo truck

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because that nv4500 has got like a five or six

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to one first gear so it's essentially a four

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speed yeah i mean you don't even use first i

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mean unless you're you know moving a trailer

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around or something but otherwise like it's got

00:14:41.769 --> 00:14:45.090
no business being in there so that's it was just

00:14:45.090 --> 00:14:47.210
kind of like yeah i've already got a four speed

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so i'm getting a four speed yeah whatever yeah

00:14:52.190 --> 00:14:55.960
i uh I had a five -speed power stroke, and I

00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.220
never touched first gear ever. It was always

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second through fifth. Oh, yeah. I'm sure in a

00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.159
power stroke, you could just fire that thing

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off in third, and it'd take right off, too, anyway.

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Oh, yeah. It'd have been perfectly happy with

00:15:07.179 --> 00:15:12.759
third. Yeah. That one made a 400 -ish horsepower.

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It wasn't anything crazy. But then my green automatic,

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that one I made crazy, and I wish it had a five

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-speed because I kept grenading the automatics.

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Yeah. Also didn't help that we had a wrong torque

00:15:28.629 --> 00:15:32.370
converter, was it? Yeah, but that van torque

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converter isn't what ate up the transmission.

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That was just, those junkyard transmissions I

00:15:38.049 --> 00:15:41.269
was pulling just were not up to the task. I still

00:15:41.269 --> 00:15:43.450
can't believe how chewed up that one flywheel

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was. Oh yeah, when it cracked? Yeah, it was like

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perfectly cut circle almost. Yep. you know that's

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very common yep yeah so you do you do a lot of

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stuff here in michigan mostly parks though right

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you don't do a whole lot of wild wheeling uh

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yeah we don't do a whole lot of like trail stuff

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um and not because we're not interested i guess

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but a lot of it you have i mean you really have

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to be camping to enjoy a lot of it and it's not

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really sensible to trailer to the trailhead to

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do a lot of that stuff sometimes either when

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if you go to the park you can kind of do a lot

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of it in a day where um i don't know i don't

00:16:25.500 --> 00:16:28.000
have a family other than my wife right now so

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the camping experience and stuff we've kind of

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lived out ourselves and like you know my dogs

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don't care if they're in a tent or not you know

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so yeah i mean we're we're not really into that

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thing right now and nothing against the people

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that are like i mean i i really appreciate that

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you guys get out there and get to camp and and

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do all that stuff too because i wish like when

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i was a kid that i got to do stuff like that

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that seems super cool so um but yeah right now

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we just kind of do the off -road parks and um

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the tahoe is not really fit for a lot of highway

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stuff or you know even even on some of the trails

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it feels kind of awkward when you're passing

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like mostly dirt bikes and side by sides and

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then i'm rolling by and it's like where'd that

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guy come from you know oh we even with our smaller

00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:17.160
rigs we understand that one it's just how it

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is now yeah Yeah, 100%. So hopefully we're going

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into a little depression here, and some of them

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side -by -sides will go to the wayside. We'll

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see about that. Yeah. Yeah, the scars on my 4Runner

00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:36.640
would be happy to not get friends. I don't know

00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:38.940
what it is about side -by -sides and being attracted

00:17:38.940 --> 00:17:41.720
to my truck. Oh, you had a little trail damage,

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have you? Oh, I've been. Three incidents in one

00:17:44.980 --> 00:17:49.500
day. Yeah. And one day, well, three or four.

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I think four. Well, it doesn't help it was a

00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.720
holiday, so it was like everyone was out that

00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:58.720
day. Yeah, but they all hit my truck, and we

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had four trucks or three trucks out there. Two.

00:18:02.259 --> 00:18:05.539
I think it was just the Jeep and yours. Alan's

00:18:05.539 --> 00:18:07.339
trip. Oh, did you not have the taco yet? No.

00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:13.920
That trip solidified me getting a rig. Oh. Either

00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.490
way, yeah. It sucks. That's scary to think about,

00:18:16.509 --> 00:18:18.829
you know, a rig that size that they're running

00:18:18.829 --> 00:18:20.849
into you to think about, you know, how many dirt

00:18:20.849 --> 00:18:23.329
bikes or ATVs are out there. It's like they're

00:18:23.329 --> 00:18:25.549
never going to see a guy on a dirt bike if they're

00:18:25.549 --> 00:18:28.390
hitting a full -size vehicle, you know, cruising

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around. Well, the first one, he went to pass

00:18:32.289 --> 00:18:34.849
me, and he didn't get over far enough and then

00:18:34.849 --> 00:18:36.789
just scraped the side of my truck. Oh, Jesus.

00:18:38.529 --> 00:18:41.450
The second one, he was coming at us, and he went

00:18:41.450 --> 00:18:43.930
too high up on the side to go around us and then

00:18:43.930 --> 00:18:48.809
tipped over on top of me. Wow. And then the third

00:18:48.809 --> 00:18:51.490
one was coming at us, and I'm talking to the

00:18:51.490 --> 00:18:53.910
guy. I'm like, just be careful going past me.

00:18:53.970 --> 00:18:55.650
I don't want to get hit by another one of you

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today. And as I said that, he goosed it, and

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his back end swung out and hit my truck. Oh,

00:19:00.950 --> 00:19:04.910
wow. Any of them stop to say anything or square

00:19:04.910 --> 00:19:08.730
up with you in any way or not really? Just the

00:19:08.730 --> 00:19:11.109
one that we had to push off my truck. The other

00:19:11.109 --> 00:19:14.990
two kept going. The one that tipped over on me.

00:19:15.130 --> 00:19:16.490
Yeah, I was going to say the first one zipped

00:19:16.490 --> 00:19:20.950
away. He hit me and then just floored it. Hit

00:19:20.950 --> 00:19:25.029
and run. Yeah, the one that tipped on me, he

00:19:25.029 --> 00:19:27.170
stopped because if I moved, he would have rolled

00:19:27.170 --> 00:19:32.589
over. You didn't have a choice. Man, that's nuts.

00:19:33.130 --> 00:19:37.690
Yeah, I mean, I've had one. In the UP, it pushed

00:19:37.690 --> 00:19:39.250
me kind of off the side of the road. He would

00:19:39.250 --> 00:19:41.890
not move over. I was trying to make room and

00:19:41.890 --> 00:19:44.470
go around him, give him a little bit of space.

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And I slid down. It was like a sandy berm, basically.

00:19:48.710 --> 00:19:51.910
Went down about three, four feet down the berm,

00:19:52.109 --> 00:19:54.829
pretty much to the woods. It was pretty much

00:19:54.829 --> 00:20:00.029
down into a ditch. And I'm just like, fuck. Mitch

00:20:00.029 --> 00:20:01.769
was in front of me. He thought he was going to

00:20:01.769 --> 00:20:04.769
have to winch me out. and i just kind of gave

00:20:04.769 --> 00:20:07.549
it some beans and forward and reverse and got

00:20:07.549 --> 00:20:10.450
it out and kind of like started driving up to

00:20:10.450 --> 00:20:12.170
the guy a little bit and i was like yeah you

00:20:12.170 --> 00:20:13.890
know i kind of got out of your way so you could

00:20:13.890 --> 00:20:17.289
go by and he goes oh yeah like yeah and the whole

00:20:17.289 --> 00:20:19.049
fucking time he just sat there the whole time

00:20:19.049 --> 00:20:22.410
he was just standing there and i'm like so like

00:20:22.410 --> 00:20:26.049
that it's like i almost fucked my rig up up in

00:20:26.049 --> 00:20:29.190
the middle of nowhere just because He just didn't

00:20:29.190 --> 00:20:30.450
want to get out of the fucking way. It was just

00:20:30.450 --> 00:20:32.809
some old geezer on a side -by -side, but side

00:20:32.809 --> 00:20:35.890
-by -side is side -by -side. It's really, at

00:20:35.890 --> 00:20:40.950
this point, I don't discriminate. Or you do.

00:20:41.109 --> 00:20:43.809
You discriminate against side -by -sides. Yes,

00:20:43.910 --> 00:20:47.470
all of them. Doesn't matter what age, they all

00:20:47.470 --> 00:20:50.089
get a bad rap in my eyes until they prove otherwise.

00:20:51.150 --> 00:20:54.450
So, Kurt, do you have any future plans for that

00:20:54.450 --> 00:20:58.079
Tahoe? Is that right? Yeah. I'm going to say

00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:02.299
a few things. i would like to put a selectable

00:21:02.299 --> 00:21:04.660
locker in the front right now it's just got a

00:21:04.660 --> 00:21:08.799
lunchbox locker and it does the trick it's actually

00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.740
extremely stout i've broken like multiple hubs

00:21:11.740 --> 00:21:14.660
and shafts with that same locker and not hurt

00:21:14.660 --> 00:21:18.259
it any so it's extremely strong but yeah just

00:21:18.259 --> 00:21:20.079
you might as well have a welded front end at

00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:22.019
that point because you're just i'm just unlocking

00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:24.640
my hubs constantly because otherwise you can't

00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:27.750
turn and all that crap so It'd be nice to have

00:21:27.750 --> 00:21:29.849
a selectable locker up there. The rear right

00:21:29.849 --> 00:21:33.210
now is just limited slip. And I'm working on

00:21:33.210 --> 00:21:36.769
a E locker on that right now. Whether I get,

00:21:36.809 --> 00:21:39.170
I've got a whole nother axle, but the axle is

00:21:39.170 --> 00:21:41.549
way too new for me to just take the locker out

00:21:41.549 --> 00:21:43.630
of. So I'm seeing if I can just put some gears

00:21:43.630 --> 00:21:49.259
in it. It's out of a 19 F three 50. Okay. And

00:21:49.259 --> 00:21:51.920
that one, I just happened to come across by happenstance.

00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:54.980
So we'll see if I can make it work or not. But

00:21:54.980 --> 00:21:57.220
so I got nothing into that, but if not, I want

00:21:57.220 --> 00:22:01.019
to get just a 05 and up e -locker to put in it

00:22:01.019 --> 00:22:03.339
or an 11 and up. I think it is e -locker, whatever

00:22:03.339 --> 00:22:06.980
the year is there, but. and do that route for

00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:09.359
the rear too so the limited slip does really

00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:11.920
really good on it um most people would never

00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:14.200
notice but like watching my videos or anything

00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:16.319
that it doesn't have a locker in the rear but

00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:18.579
when it really gets hung up where it's almost

00:22:18.579 --> 00:22:21.180
lifting the one tire most of the time it'll always

00:22:21.180 --> 00:22:24.819
start just spinning the one so that's you know

00:22:24.819 --> 00:22:27.519
that's kind of just the you know ah man i wish

00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:29.700
i had just a little more so that's where i'm

00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:33.079
at right now um But otherwise, I really enjoy

00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:35.559
it how it is. I don't think I want to put a whole

00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:39.380
lot more into it. It seems like it's doing all

00:22:39.380 --> 00:22:41.420
right, I guess. And I'll probably just keep breaking

00:22:41.420 --> 00:22:43.779
stuff and having to fix it more than worry about

00:22:43.779 --> 00:22:46.640
upgrading or doing a whole lot more to it, I

00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:50.059
think. It's kind of crazy, just the tire difference.

00:22:50.259 --> 00:22:53.059
My first truck only had 35s on it. It was the

00:22:53.059 --> 00:22:55.799
biggest I ever put on it. And like I say, I never

00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:58.119
broke anything with even that 10 bolt in it,

00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.400
which is a 28 spline. So it's... like i say pretty

00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.539
weak and i never broke anything doing wide open

00:23:04.539 --> 00:23:07.559
poles and stupid stuff with that and so my same

00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.039
mentality went into the tahoe like oh this is

00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:13.279
a dana 60 and like i should be able to run 40s

00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:16.220
wide open throttle no problem and like you just

00:23:16.220 --> 00:23:18.660
the second you hit the throttle on that thing

00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:20.960
doing something stupid like it's popping an axle

00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:24.420
it seems like so um having to learn to be more

00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:27.920
reserved driving it or go down in tire size one

00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:30.849
or the other um is probably maybe even in the

00:23:30.849 --> 00:23:35.029
future plans so well are you running uh stock

00:23:35.029 --> 00:23:36.910
shafts in there are you running chromoly so i've

00:23:36.910 --> 00:23:40.750
got uh chromoly outers and stock inners um i

00:23:40.750 --> 00:23:44.309
keep having issues with the outers breaking um

00:23:44.309 --> 00:23:47.869
not a big issue i only just put the chromolys

00:23:47.869 --> 00:23:51.210
in and so far i've only broken one but i feel

00:23:51.210 --> 00:23:53.309
like i'm gonna keep probably breaking them if

00:23:53.309 --> 00:23:56.069
i just keep if i keep abusing it how i am so

00:23:56.069 --> 00:23:59.269
right um but i'm not scared to beat on it either

00:23:59.269 --> 00:24:01.569
just because i have the means to fix it like

00:24:01.569 --> 00:24:03.910
i got my own shop and stuff so it's not like

00:24:03.910 --> 00:24:07.470
a huge deal so i kind of live for that as far

00:24:07.470 --> 00:24:10.950
as like the breaking it a little bit um some

00:24:10.950 --> 00:24:13.029
people are a lot more reserved you know where

00:24:13.029 --> 00:24:15.089
it's their daily or they got a payment on it

00:24:15.089 --> 00:24:17.930
or their you know whatever And, uh, there's,

00:24:17.930 --> 00:24:19.849
there's situations a lot different than mine

00:24:19.849 --> 00:24:22.769
where I'm trailering everywhere. And like, I'm

00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:25.750
almost not satisfied if I load it up, not broken

00:24:25.750 --> 00:24:29.450
some days, like if it comes home in one case,

00:24:29.529 --> 00:24:32.549
the next day I'm asking Megan, can we go here

00:24:32.549 --> 00:24:35.410
tomorrow? And, you know, that's kind of where

00:24:35.410 --> 00:24:38.769
I'm at. So I'm kind of an odd duck in that sense

00:24:38.769 --> 00:24:40.789
that people, you know, a lot of people are like,

00:24:40.789 --> 00:24:43.029
you're going to break it. Don't do that. It's

00:24:43.029 --> 00:24:45.410
like, well, what did I come out here for? So.

00:24:46.120 --> 00:24:48.400
Um, yeah. So hopefully, hopefully that's good

00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.920
entertainment for a lot of people too, but. You're

00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:55.000
a, you're not too that out of a duck though.

00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.140
Cause me and Mark are the same way and we don't

00:24:57.140 --> 00:25:03.819
trailers. I got payments. I, uh, I mean, I was

00:25:03.819 --> 00:25:05.740
a little more reserved in Leatherwood just cause

00:25:05.740 --> 00:25:07.640
I didn't want to call dad and be like, come pick

00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:11.460
me up eight hours away. Right. Right. Yep. Yeah.

00:25:11.539 --> 00:25:14.009
I hear you there. no i was kind of even kind

00:25:14.009 --> 00:25:16.269
of reserved down there because you know once

00:25:16.269 --> 00:25:19.069
we got down there it's like well i i am the biggest

00:25:19.069 --> 00:25:22.710
thing down here so i've got to winch myself basically

00:25:22.710 --> 00:25:26.049
100 feet at a time out of wherever i get stranded

00:25:26.049 --> 00:25:29.970
if that's the worst case scenario um so i was

00:25:29.970 --> 00:25:32.910
kind of kind of reserved but also ended up pushing

00:25:32.910 --> 00:25:35.250
it pretty good just because yeah we ended up

00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:38.230
doing some unseen you know recovery with buddy

00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:42.369
that was having some issues and uh so yeah that

00:25:42.369 --> 00:25:44.230
was kind of cool too just get being able to get

00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:46.650
that content i guess and just see what it could

00:25:46.650 --> 00:25:48.490
do because it would never get to do something

00:25:48.490 --> 00:25:50.490
like that here in michigan you know that was

00:25:50.490 --> 00:25:52.769
kind of for sure i don't want to say it once

00:25:52.769 --> 00:25:56.230
in a lifetime but you know it's um anything could

00:25:56.230 --> 00:25:58.410
happen so i'm glad we did it type of thing so

00:25:58.410 --> 00:26:04.089
yeah i think it would be with skitter yeah i

00:26:04.089 --> 00:26:06.890
i want him to get that thing on skitter we've

00:26:06.890 --> 00:26:09.859
talked about it yeah Yep, I did research a couple

00:26:09.859 --> 00:26:11.940
videos there after you had mentioned it, and

00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:15.019
I'm going to say I think I need to get some flare

00:26:15.019 --> 00:26:17.940
action out on the sides to keep me away from

00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:21.200
some obstacles there, so I'll have to do a little

00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:24.319
work. I feel like as tall as you are, you'd be

00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:28.059
into the side of the... The ground is pretty.

00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:30.460
Yeah. I'll make some whistling diesel 10 inch

00:26:30.460 --> 00:26:35.500
wheel space. Yeah. I was about to say, we have

00:26:35.500 --> 00:26:37.420
a good one with the crawler before it got stripped

00:26:37.420 --> 00:26:41.619
apart. Did you guys see that picture I sent of

00:26:41.619 --> 00:26:44.700
the crawler before it was destroyed? I saw that.

00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:47.500
Oh my God. That thing was sick. That was sick.

00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:49.940
I'll send it. I'll send it to Kurt real quick.

00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:54.759
Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, if I can find it, where

00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:59.000
the hell is it? botches the main chat the crawler

00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.799
that we uh just tore apart that duncan had bought

00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.480
we uh tore it apart cook all the good stuff off

00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.920
and used it and this is a picture of it from

00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:12.059
before yeah randomly the guy who built the crawler

00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:14.160
liked pictures of the forerunner on my instagram

00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:20.319
oh i think it's familiar oh i sent the wrong

00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:26.119
picture whoops yeah enjoy the dick pic Oh, it's

00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:27.960
not a dick pic. It's a conversation with Gavin.

00:27:30.420 --> 00:27:33.740
That looks like a trawler. But yeah. So yeah,

00:27:33.819 --> 00:27:36.299
and this is before it was long traveled in this

00:27:36.299 --> 00:27:39.900
picture. But it was just out of the blue. I'm

00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:41.799
like, who's this Chris Harvey guy? And then I'm

00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:47.339
like, oh shit, I know that truck. Yeah, dig the

00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:53.890
mirrors on it. Yeah. I'm glad it didn't have

00:27:53.890 --> 00:27:59.390
those on it when I came here. Yours is one of

00:27:59.390 --> 00:28:03.730
two anyway. I have bad experience with long mirrors

00:28:03.730 --> 00:28:05.630
sticking off the side of my truck. I rip them

00:28:05.630 --> 00:28:09.970
off all the time. Yeah. It happens. You got a

00:28:09.970 --> 00:28:15.869
nice new one from Benji in Missouri. Yeah. Like

00:28:15.869 --> 00:28:17.789
two weeks later. Got it brand new. He gave it

00:28:17.789 --> 00:28:20.509
to him. Famous Benji. And then he ripped it off.

00:28:20.569 --> 00:28:24.769
Yeah. Not even like two weeks later. Again. Yeah.

00:28:24.950 --> 00:28:29.230
Same spot. Same rut. Skitter Hill's a bitch.

00:28:29.269 --> 00:28:34.750
I'll just leave it at that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:34.769 --> 00:28:37.069
There really isn't much challenging around here.

00:28:37.819 --> 00:28:41.140
Yeah, no. I'd like him to see him go through

00:28:41.140 --> 00:28:43.920
Pine after it's, like, full of water. Oh, Pine's

00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.900
dry right now. Well, it wasn't the other day

00:28:47.900 --> 00:28:51.900
after that thunderstorm. Holy shit. I took some

00:28:51.900 --> 00:28:55.779
bypasses on that one. Yeah, I went out there.

00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.680
That weekend Kaylin was in Nashville, I went

00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.279
out there because I was bored. And I was like,

00:29:03.339 --> 00:29:05.180
I just drove down the middle of Pine without

00:29:05.180 --> 00:29:10.049
getting stuck. having any mud at all i didn't

00:29:10.049 --> 00:29:13.029
even get my truck dirty yeah when it dries up

00:29:13.029 --> 00:29:15.849
it's great uh but that thunderstorm lasted a

00:29:15.849 --> 00:29:19.109
while and then i went out picked the kid up and

00:29:19.109 --> 00:29:21.890
uh we drove around for a little bit just to let

00:29:21.890 --> 00:29:23.630
him fall asleep because he falls asleep when

00:29:23.630 --> 00:29:26.069
we hit the trail um so i was just trying to get

00:29:26.069 --> 00:29:29.430
him to take a nap and yeah dude that thing was

00:29:29.430 --> 00:29:33.470
soaked wasn't deep as it's ever been like you

00:29:33.470 --> 00:29:36.950
know in the spring it's bad but right um But

00:29:36.950 --> 00:29:39.930
it was deep enough that I backed out of it, and

00:29:39.930 --> 00:29:41.529
I was like, yeah, I don't really feel like getting

00:29:41.529 --> 00:29:46.750
out and trying to winch. So that was cool. I

00:29:46.750 --> 00:29:48.269
mean, but that's really the most challenging

00:29:48.269 --> 00:29:51.009
thing around here until you get to the skidder

00:29:51.009 --> 00:29:56.309
area. Yeah. So I used to have that green trail

00:29:56.309 --> 00:29:59.150
right around the corner. Well, we call it a green

00:29:59.150 --> 00:30:01.809
trail, but I guess it's not green per se. It

00:30:01.809 --> 00:30:04.230
is now. Around the corner there in Bridgeton,

00:30:04.289 --> 00:30:06.630
that one that... They graded over. That used

00:30:06.630 --> 00:30:08.970
to be a pretty hard one. Yeah, especially the

00:30:08.970 --> 00:30:11.170
up and down that they logged off because of private

00:30:11.170 --> 00:30:15.549
property. Yep. So, Kurt, do you have any plans

00:30:15.549 --> 00:30:19.769
to do any snow wheeling? More than likely. I'm

00:30:19.769 --> 00:30:24.609
not sure exactly what yet, I guess. But I enjoy

00:30:24.609 --> 00:30:27.930
being out there in the winter a lot. I'm sure

00:30:27.930 --> 00:30:30.309
we'll do something. No real plans for doing anything

00:30:30.309 --> 00:30:33.539
in the winter yet, I guess. We'd like to do some.

00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.000
We also snowmobile a lot in the winter. So if

00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.579
there's substantial snow, we'll do that. But

00:30:39.579 --> 00:30:44.980
trending lately, not a lot of snow. So anyways,

00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:50.640
less and less snowmobiling every year. So we

00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.859
like to get up to the UP for that. But it's just

00:30:53.859 --> 00:30:57.440
such a drive to go and do that sort of thing,

00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.460
I guess. You've really got to like snowmobiling.

00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.589
And we just kind of do it. Cause for a hobby

00:31:03.589 --> 00:31:05.769
and it's, we're not, we're not pounding miles

00:31:05.769 --> 00:31:08.490
between bars. Like a lot of guys are, we're just,

00:31:08.589 --> 00:31:11.630
Oh, we like the scenery and like this fresh snow

00:31:11.630 --> 00:31:14.809
and that. So it's kind of a different thing for

00:31:14.809 --> 00:31:18.430
that. But, um, yeah, I didn't know you guys had

00:31:18.430 --> 00:31:20.769
sleds. What do you got? We both got already cats.

00:31:21.289 --> 00:31:25.930
Um, Oh yeah. Megan's on an Oh nine. I'm on a

00:31:25.930 --> 00:31:28.329
10. So they're a little older, but yeah. So I

00:31:28.329 --> 00:31:31.220
think they're technically Argo now. I can just

00:31:31.220 --> 00:31:33.079
start calling them Argos. I think that's who

00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:38.799
bought them out. I just last year sold, I had

00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:44.339
a 97 Ski -Doo triple. I mean, it was quick. It'd

00:31:44.339 --> 00:31:48.740
do like 9 ,500 -ish. Oh, yeah. But. Nope, the

00:31:48.740 --> 00:31:53.079
old triples got a rep for sure. Dude, I love

00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:55.319
triples, man. Just the sound of it. Oh, yeah.

00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:59.059
It's a totally different sound. So, yeah, I had

00:31:59.059 --> 00:32:01.680
a buddy that had a. had a triple in high school

00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.140
which he had no business having but um anyway

00:32:05.140 --> 00:32:07.680
yeah he ended up with this sled and surprise

00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.319
surprise yeah he totaled it like yeah the first

00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.140
the first winner and um so yeah anyways but yeah

00:32:15.140 --> 00:32:18.099
so we rode that around a little bit but um the

00:32:18.099 --> 00:32:22.000
for our age it was not appropriate at all yeah

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.400
yeah i got a healthy healthy fierce sleds uh

00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.460
i thought you know they're fun Fun to kind of

00:32:30.460 --> 00:32:33.859
rip around a little bit. But long distance, I

00:32:33.859 --> 00:32:36.039
don't know if I could do that. And like I said,

00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:40.220
healthy fear. When I was younger, my dad was

00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:42.779
ripping down. He had a skidoo, and I don't remember

00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:46.859
what it was, but he was ripping down a field,

00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.279
and there was a hole in the field, and it launched

00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.160
him up into a tree. And they found him and the

00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.220
sled in the tree, and he had a broken leg. I

00:32:55.220 --> 00:32:57.240
think he had a bunch of broken ribs, a broken

00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.690
arm. And, yeah, I think after that I was like,

00:33:00.730 --> 00:33:05.470
yeah, I don't like him enough to want to test

00:33:05.470 --> 00:33:10.430
it. Yeah, I did. I did here in Grant all the

00:33:10.430 --> 00:33:13.309
way to Baldwin, wheeled for eight hours with

00:33:13.309 --> 00:33:17.809
my father -in -law, or wheeled, snowmobiled for

00:33:17.809 --> 00:33:20.150
eight hours with my father -in -law, and then

00:33:20.150 --> 00:33:23.089
drove it back to Grant all in one day. Well,

00:33:23.269 --> 00:33:26.220
day and a half. because it was like 26 hours

00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:29.900
of writing that's a day in a row oh dude it was

00:33:29.900 --> 00:33:37.720
so fun oh yeah no we don't do a whole lot of

00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.160
riding anymore so i mean kind of now that we

00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.200
got the Tahoe to looking to use that more and

00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.599
more than anything else. And if it's the dogs,

00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:49.099
so then we got the dogs with us and the heat

00:33:49.099 --> 00:33:51.720
and all that other stuff. So it's a lot of creature

00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.079
comforts compared to being on the snowmobile.

00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.619
So that's way more enjoyable, I think in the,

00:33:57.619 --> 00:34:00.539
in the long run for us, but it's also, yeah,

00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.059
it's like, I keep building these trucks and then

00:34:03.059 --> 00:34:05.789
every time I. build one then Megan's like I can't

00:34:05.789 --> 00:34:08.789
get in this I can't get in this and now now it's

00:34:08.789 --> 00:34:10.829
at the point where like at the end of a wheeling

00:34:10.829 --> 00:34:13.789
day like I am so beat from just getting in and

00:34:13.789 --> 00:34:16.730
out not even doing anything just driving the

00:34:16.730 --> 00:34:19.530
stupid thing is like such a workout that's like

00:34:19.530 --> 00:34:23.050
oh man this is just too much sometimes I feel

00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:27.250
like but um you just need to put some rope ladder

00:34:27.250 --> 00:34:29.070
yeah that's what she tells me all the time I

00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:33.210
just need something just something but Do you

00:34:33.210 --> 00:34:36.690
ever plan on just getting something smaller for

00:34:36.690 --> 00:34:39.530
just some of the medium kind of stuff? Maybe

00:34:39.530 --> 00:34:43.369
just getting a small Tahoe, small lift? GeoTracker.

00:34:43.690 --> 00:34:46.650
Yeah, that would be perfect. Maybe something

00:34:46.650 --> 00:34:49.460
with the family. Um, I'm actually going to do

00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:52.119
a truck up for Megan. So she's just got her own,

00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.739
her own thing. And then she can, um, kind of

00:34:54.739 --> 00:34:56.980
go at her own pace and do whatever she wants

00:34:56.980 --> 00:34:59.179
to do. Cause there's a lot of times where she's

00:34:59.179 --> 00:35:01.360
even uncomfortable riding with me doing some

00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:04.260
of the stuff I'm doing. So I think she'd rather

00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:07.260
have her own rig, um, and then just do that.

00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.699
Um, she kind of has made a lot of friends now.

00:35:09.820 --> 00:35:12.460
I mean, your wife's one of them, um, not, you

00:35:12.460 --> 00:35:14.280
know, and stuff. So she's meeting a lot of people

00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.500
kind of on the scene and, um, She kind of wants

00:35:17.500 --> 00:35:20.420
to get a little more into it, I think. So I've

00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:25.320
got another truck, a 99 Chevy that I put together

00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.219
a long time ago, like 10 years ago now. And then

00:35:28.219 --> 00:35:30.900
when I met Megan, I just retired it because it

00:35:30.900 --> 00:35:33.480
was just a regular cab, two wheel or four wheel

00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.340
drive, but regular cab, short bed, just kind

00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:38.000
of like a little get me around truck or whatever.

00:35:38.179 --> 00:35:41.059
And it wasn't very practical. So I just parked

00:35:41.059 --> 00:35:43.380
it next to the barn. But now I think we're going

00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:46.789
to get that. uh back in action i'm build her

00:35:46.789 --> 00:35:51.269
like a little truggy out of it um oh yeah follow

00:35:51.269 --> 00:35:54.690
me around in or whatever and um do her own thing

00:35:54.690 --> 00:35:56.889
at her own pace and and what have you and then

00:35:56.889 --> 00:35:59.949
we'll have two rigs so that'd be a little nicer

00:35:59.949 --> 00:36:03.349
if um something happens to one of them then can

00:36:03.849 --> 00:36:06.409
recover one but hers i would like to keep more

00:36:06.409 --> 00:36:08.710
street legal so it can just drive wherever it

00:36:08.710 --> 00:36:11.389
needs to go because if i start talking about

00:36:11.389 --> 00:36:14.090
trailer and two rigs everywhere that's like super

00:36:14.090 --> 00:36:19.650
unpractical um it's like it's really like a blessing

00:36:19.650 --> 00:36:22.269
that i even have the equipment i have now to

00:36:22.269 --> 00:36:25.449
do what i do with the tahoe like because i never

00:36:25.449 --> 00:36:27.690
thought i'd have like a the truck that i have

00:36:27.690 --> 00:36:29.409
to be able to pull it around with or anything

00:36:29.409 --> 00:36:32.940
like that That's all kind of just stars aligned.

00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.679
And so now I can do that and get out and hit

00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:38.980
the off -road parks and do all that stuff. And

00:36:38.980 --> 00:36:42.039
it's a lot more peace of mind being able to do

00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:44.440
it, like I say, with the trailer and everything.

00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.820
And we'll say that's a 6 .0, but it is a really

00:36:49.820 --> 00:36:52.880
nice 6 .0. Yeah. Yeah. It's the only nice 6 .0

00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.079
that's out there, I think, because I've seen

00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.300
a lot of them too. And yeah, I got it from my

00:36:58.300 --> 00:37:01.679
buddy that he's a contractor and he got it just

00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.780
locally from a dealership here and come from

00:37:04.780 --> 00:37:07.860
Canada even. So it shouldn't look near as good

00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:11.889
as it does. But yeah, it. must have been just

00:37:11.889 --> 00:37:14.769
used to haul around a fifth wheel for some retiree

00:37:14.769 --> 00:37:17.050
or something and then he got it and used it for

00:37:17.050 --> 00:37:20.150
a couple years and he put on like a hundred thousand

00:37:20.150 --> 00:37:23.210
miles while he owned it in a couple years so

00:37:23.210 --> 00:37:25.610
i had done all the maintenance on it and all

00:37:25.610 --> 00:37:29.250
the repairs and upgrades already so then i already

00:37:29.250 --> 00:37:30.969
knew what i was buying when he put it up for

00:37:30.969 --> 00:37:33.989
sale but nobody went wanted to buy it because

00:37:33.989 --> 00:37:36.849
it was a six liter so no one even no one even

00:37:36.849 --> 00:37:39.110
looked at it no one even showed up to look at

00:37:39.110 --> 00:37:41.530
it or make him an offer or anything and so i

00:37:41.530 --> 00:37:43.849
just ended up buying it from him for i mean what

00:37:43.849 --> 00:37:46.289
i think is pennies on the dollar basically for

00:37:46.289 --> 00:37:49.949
the amount of truck i got so um yeah super cool

00:37:49.949 --> 00:37:53.329
there um yeah if that thing went down then i'd

00:37:53.329 --> 00:38:00.079
probably be doing a lot less off -roading We'll

00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.179
have to plan a trip where you come out and do

00:38:02.179 --> 00:38:05.059
some trail riding with us. Yeah, for sure. Out

00:38:05.059 --> 00:38:07.679
this way. Just because I want to see it do skidder.

00:38:07.699 --> 00:38:10.320
So get what you got to get done. Yeah, I'll have

00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:16.159
to get out of it for sure. For sure. Yeah, skidder's

00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:20.699
height would actually be a disadvantage there.

00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:25.179
But your clearance would be nice. So I guess

00:38:25.179 --> 00:38:27.539
it's kind of a catch -22 there. Right, right.

00:38:28.809 --> 00:38:31.469
yeah i definitely need some side protection of

00:38:31.469 --> 00:38:33.730
some kind some kind of little bump outs or or

00:38:33.730 --> 00:38:38.110
something so i uh holly oaks last year after

00:38:38.110 --> 00:38:40.369
we got a bunch of rain and everything washes

00:38:40.369 --> 00:38:43.190
out there uh really good all the time if you

00:38:43.190 --> 00:38:46.309
get a big rain or anything um i was going up

00:38:46.309 --> 00:38:48.710
this trail that no one else had been up clearly

00:38:48.710 --> 00:38:51.349
since it washed out and had some huge ruts in

00:38:51.349 --> 00:38:53.969
it And I didn't really think much of it, but

00:38:53.969 --> 00:38:56.190
the way my truck dropped into it, I ended up

00:38:56.190 --> 00:38:58.510
coming right over on the driver door and fender

00:38:58.510 --> 00:39:01.949
into the, basically the dirt mound that was like

00:39:01.949 --> 00:39:04.510
the trail was carved into the dirt. And so then

00:39:04.510 --> 00:39:09.070
you got a mound that builds up type thing. So

00:39:09.070 --> 00:39:11.130
that was kind of depressing when I did that,

00:39:11.269 --> 00:39:13.829
but luckily it didn't take too much damage, but

00:39:13.829 --> 00:39:16.170
it was one of those where it's like, oh, I have

00:39:16.170 --> 00:39:18.750
to be more conscious of that next time that I

00:39:18.750 --> 00:39:21.190
can't just do anything because I'm on 40s. I

00:39:21.190 --> 00:39:27.349
actually tip over really easy. Yeah. Yeah, I

00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:32.409
don't know. Yes. Tip it over. Go ahead, Gavin.

00:39:32.650 --> 00:39:35.929
Yeah. I was just asking, do you know how much

00:39:35.929 --> 00:39:38.719
ground clearance you have, really? To the belly

00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:42.659
of the Tahoe is 24 inches with the 40s on it.

00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.079
Everything's flush on the bottom until you get

00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.800
to the rear leaf spring mounts. Those hang down

00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:53.219
a little bit, but it's got quite a bit of ground

00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:58.530
clearance on it as it is. wow yeah you know so

00:39:58.530 --> 00:40:00.989
but uh it's weird because i didn't really build

00:40:00.989 --> 00:40:04.769
it to be a crawler or like a i mean it's not

00:40:04.769 --> 00:40:07.409
an overlander obviously but i hang with you guys

00:40:07.409 --> 00:40:09.230
a little bit just kind of doing the off -road

00:40:09.230 --> 00:40:12.690
stuff and um it was really just built to be the

00:40:12.690 --> 00:40:15.050
next mud truck i mean i literally was building

00:40:15.050 --> 00:40:17.969
it to just beat the living snot out of it and

00:40:17.969 --> 00:40:21.369
then when we took it to holly oaks and just like

00:40:21.369 --> 00:40:23.730
started doing some of the obstacles it's like

00:40:23.730 --> 00:40:26.050
it kind of walks up a lot of this stuff compared

00:40:26.050 --> 00:40:29.190
to some of these other guys like there's really

00:40:29.190 --> 00:40:33.170
nothing to it and is just kind of so i just kind

00:40:33.170 --> 00:40:36.190
of doing doing more of that now i guess and it's

00:40:36.190 --> 00:40:40.030
obviously a lot less i shouldn't say less maintenance

00:40:40.030 --> 00:40:42.699
for me but like The washing part, you know, staying

00:40:42.699 --> 00:40:47.179
out of the mud is nice. But over here, like in

00:40:47.179 --> 00:40:49.360
the thumb of Michigan, there's nothing to do

00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.920
for off -road unless you hit an off -road park.

00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.300
So like the trail isn't even an option unless

00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:58.280
you drive a couple hours. So we just grew up

00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:00.420
mud bogging around here. That's all you do if

00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:03.059
you got a truck and there's fields everywhere.

00:41:03.219 --> 00:41:05.400
I mean, that's all there is around here is farms.

00:41:06.650 --> 00:41:09.289
um kind of everybody gets started at least with

00:41:09.289 --> 00:41:11.750
the mud bogging i feel like over here otherwise

00:41:11.750 --> 00:41:15.030
you've got no reason to have something off -roady

00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:18.869
so um like uh it's probably comical to see some

00:41:18.869 --> 00:41:20.809
of the jeeps that are outfitted driving by you

00:41:20.809 --> 00:41:22.929
guys that don't ever do anything but like over

00:41:22.929 --> 00:41:26.150
here it's like well i literally know you don't

00:41:26.150 --> 00:41:28.650
do anything with that because there's nothing

00:41:28.650 --> 00:41:31.730
to do and you know no one takes their stuff to

00:41:31.730 --> 00:41:33.969
the mounds because that's just where you go to

00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:37.500
ruin nice things basically that's it's hard to

00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:39.860
say that's even an off -road park it's just kind

00:41:39.860 --> 00:41:42.599
of a place where you can go beat your stuff to

00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:47.719
death and uh they don't maintain it yeah around

00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.239
here we've got we've got a lot of like uh very

00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.760
beat cars that people take on trails we had a

00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.039
pretty big mud bog scene for a while but now

00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:03.110
they only do like one mud bog a year so Yeah,

00:42:03.110 --> 00:42:07.889
we had, growing up, my family in Owasso, they

00:42:07.889 --> 00:42:11.230
had a mud bog in their backyard in their property.

00:42:11.710 --> 00:42:15.889
And they would host it probably every six months

00:42:15.889 --> 00:42:20.329
or so. And that was big. People brought big trucks.

00:42:20.389 --> 00:42:23.510
There'd be 30 trucks or so there. Big party,

00:42:23.670 --> 00:42:27.849
basically. And so that was kind of what I knew.

00:42:27.889 --> 00:42:30.510
I know my uncle had a truck that he, it was like

00:42:30.510 --> 00:42:33.880
an old, I want to say it was like a, 86 chevy

00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.719
or something like that uh 85 something like that

00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:40.920
that he had completely gutted it cut the fenders

00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.340
almost clear off um took every accent you could

00:42:45.340 --> 00:42:48.340
off of it he called it squirrel and then put

00:42:48.340 --> 00:42:50.840
the biggest tires that he could find on it and

00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.500
that thing was just such a piece but it did do

00:42:53.500 --> 00:42:57.530
a lot so So, I mean, he would crawl that up,

00:42:57.550 --> 00:43:00.130
you know, stumps in our yard or try to crawl

00:43:00.130 --> 00:43:03.570
it up an actual standing tree and he'd do every

00:43:03.570 --> 00:43:06.829
mud hole he could find. And that thing was just

00:43:06.829 --> 00:43:09.670
such a piece. It was cool though. You know, it's

00:43:09.670 --> 00:43:11.349
kind of fun to have a beat up. Oh, a hundred

00:43:11.349 --> 00:43:13.469
percent. Yeah. Something you just do not care

00:43:13.469 --> 00:43:17.610
about is it's, it's a lot of fun. So, and that's,

00:43:17.610 --> 00:43:19.349
yeah, that's kind of what the Tahoe is a little

00:43:19.349 --> 00:43:21.860
bit. more and more i try to take care of it because

00:43:21.860 --> 00:43:25.460
i kind of realize what it's capable of and like

00:43:25.460 --> 00:43:27.320
if it had just gone out and been a turd right

00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.440
off the bat like i would have been jumping it

00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.800
and bombing it off or whatever but it seems like

00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:34.820
it's gonna hold up pretty good so i'll probably

00:43:34.820 --> 00:43:36.960
just take care of it and let it live in whatever

00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:40.719
natural life it can have from this point on yeah

00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:45.519
right yeah i mean i i should do a little bit

00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.679
more to protect mine so that i can live a little

00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.119
bit better of a life that's on my list but uh

00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:54.199
yeah i really try not to sink mine if i can help

00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.980
it to fuck it up at all uh because you know time

00:43:57.980 --> 00:44:00.940
down for me i don't enjoy working on my vehicles

00:44:00.940 --> 00:44:03.860
and alex knows this i've said that to alex and

00:44:03.860 --> 00:44:07.079
mark before but it's just time down for me is

00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.360
more time doing stuff that i don't want to do

00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.309
which is work on it and money on it At least

00:44:12.309 --> 00:44:15.210
in that way, right? Like, I don't want to spend

00:44:15.210 --> 00:44:16.989
money on repairing it. I want to spend money

00:44:16.989 --> 00:44:19.989
on either upgrading it or buying something I

00:44:19.989 --> 00:44:22.769
want or using that money for a trip or, you know,

00:44:22.769 --> 00:44:26.050
whatever. See, but if I don't break it, how do

00:44:26.050 --> 00:44:28.929
I know what needs upgraded? If it's not broken,

00:44:29.070 --> 00:44:32.590
why would I upgrade it? Things called maintenance.

00:44:33.210 --> 00:44:37.110
You see, but that's how you find what needs upgraded.

00:44:38.010 --> 00:44:42.250
That's also, yeah. That's also how you find out

00:44:42.250 --> 00:44:45.530
how much money you're in debt to. You put yourself

00:44:45.530 --> 00:44:47.949
in debt over upgrading the crap out of them.

00:44:48.090 --> 00:44:50.949
I mean, it's great, and I do want to get, you

00:44:50.949 --> 00:44:53.150
know, if I had Vuku money, I'd get a supercharger

00:44:53.150 --> 00:44:58.210
and portals, but just to say I have them, really.

00:44:58.849 --> 00:45:04.269
But for now, I mean, maybe I'll do 35s next year.

00:45:04.769 --> 00:45:06.829
I know I am going to get some new upper control

00:45:06.829 --> 00:45:13.039
arms. probably next spring and yeah we'll start

00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.199
start working on that a little bit more of the

00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:19.019
suspension the uh the armor on it i got stock

00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:22.679
skids on it now just to help protect it a little

00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.360
bit more so you know the more i do this stuff

00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:28.800
the the more the more possibilities that it's

00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:33.159
not gonna make it and the more experience i get

00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:37.000
the more i push it so just i'll make sure that

00:45:37.420 --> 00:45:40.039
When I do push myself over that, that comfort

00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:41.780
zone that it doesn't get to leave me stranded.

00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:45.440
Just make sure you beef up your knuckle. Yeah.

00:45:47.019 --> 00:45:51.380
Yeah. Um, I'll have to talk to you guys about

00:45:51.380 --> 00:45:53.840
that at some point. Cause it's like when I do

00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:57.119
my uppers, I'll probably look at doing that.

00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.699
It's like what? 60 bucks for the, uh, reinforcements.

00:46:00.699 --> 00:46:02.260
Oh, that's mine. I don't know what yours are.

00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:06.000
Yeah. Ours was just shy. That's what you were

00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.340
talking about. Was that what you were talking

00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:12.059
about, gusting? Yes. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. When Alec

00:46:12.059 --> 00:46:14.099
welded up for you, we just got to get the material,

00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:18.619
which is prefabbed. Yeah. Yeah, I'll have to

00:46:18.619 --> 00:46:21.059
look into it for sure. You just got to make sure

00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:23.280
your knuckles aren't already partially bent.

00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:28.639
They shouldn't be. I know. It shouldn't be, but

00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:32.900
you never know. I don't think I've tried to kill

00:46:32.900 --> 00:46:36.360
it as much as maybe Alex has, but. I am really

00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.800
nice to my truck. I don't know what you're talking

00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.260
about. You spent three quarters of the summer

00:46:41.260 --> 00:46:44.639
upgrading slash fixing things. As long as you

00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:49.760
don't bump a tractor tire like I did. Yeah, that

00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:57.340
was rough. Yeah. And bumping is kind of a misleading

00:46:57.340 --> 00:47:01.760
term. I said I punted. Clearly it was flying.

00:47:03.429 --> 00:47:05.809
Kurt, you go to the dunes a lot too, right? Yeah.

00:47:05.829 --> 00:47:08.829
Yeah. We go to the dunes, uh, pretty frequently.

00:47:09.230 --> 00:47:13.630
Um, just like it over there a lot. So, um, kind

00:47:13.630 --> 00:47:15.809
of here more and more, it's not everybody's cup

00:47:15.809 --> 00:47:18.650
of tea, but, um, again, that's kind of, I think

00:47:18.650 --> 00:47:20.349
it's more of an East side thing. Cause we have

00:47:20.349 --> 00:47:22.530
nothing to do over here. So we already have to

00:47:22.530 --> 00:47:25.739
travel so far. And so I think a lot of people

00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:29.179
here like the dunes a lot. In this area in particular,

00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:33.179
it seems like everyone has a dune toy, which

00:47:33.179 --> 00:47:37.019
is just some old restored whatever it is that

00:47:37.019 --> 00:47:40.760
they trailer over there once a year to tool around

00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:44.219
the dunes and show off. So there's like a big

00:47:44.219 --> 00:47:46.300
dune culture in this area, even though we're

00:47:46.300 --> 00:47:51.099
so far away. It's kind of weird like that. i

00:47:51.099 --> 00:47:53.119
enjoy it over there a lot like i could run those

00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:56.400
hills all day and not get bored um myself at

00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:59.420
least like i just keep finding dumber and dumber

00:47:59.420 --> 00:48:02.219
ways to go up them if i can make it like going

00:48:02.219 --> 00:48:04.340
at speed then i just keep trying to climb it

00:48:04.340 --> 00:48:08.059
slower if i can do this i'll just whatever and

00:48:08.059 --> 00:48:10.179
just keep trying to get stuck or make it challenging

00:48:10.179 --> 00:48:14.219
um yeah and i've been i've been over there with

00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:17.730
a future trucks too i guess like i'm always experimenting

00:48:17.730 --> 00:48:21.289
with dumb crap um i've got a 96 two -wheel drive

00:48:21.289 --> 00:48:24.510
truck with a 5 -3 swap in it that i bought some

00:48:24.510 --> 00:48:27.469
paddles for it and so they're uh they're razor

00:48:27.469 --> 00:48:30.650
paddles but they're 30 inches tall um like an

00:48:30.650 --> 00:48:34.369
8 or 10 paddle and i take that out there quite

00:48:34.369 --> 00:48:37.289
a bit too and just toy around with that um and

00:48:37.289 --> 00:48:40.969
that does pretty good but it's um it's kind of

00:48:40.969 --> 00:48:43.230
frustrating trading to when it gets stuck because

00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:45.269
then it's just like okay now i just have to go

00:48:45.269 --> 00:48:47.869
flag someone down to pull me out i'm that idiot

00:48:47.869 --> 00:48:51.730
in a two -wheel drive right but um yeah but anyway

00:48:51.730 --> 00:48:53.309
yeah i don't know get back to your question we

00:48:53.309 --> 00:48:57.650
go over there a lot um anyways um we used to

00:48:57.650 --> 00:48:59.610
go with my family a lot and they don't really

00:48:59.610 --> 00:49:01.969
go so much anymore we used to like have like

00:49:01.969 --> 00:49:03.969
three or four family trips over there a year

00:49:03.969 --> 00:49:07.429
and we all had um all had sand rails as far as

00:49:07.429 --> 00:49:10.639
like my dad's got a rail Um, and my uncle's got

00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.780
a couple of rails and cousins with rails. So

00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:15.000
we'd always go over there and that was like always

00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.539
a huge hoot. So maybe it's like just trying to

00:49:17.539 --> 00:49:20.539
relive some of those times too. And, uh, but

00:49:20.539 --> 00:49:22.219
I don't know, it brings back a lot of memories,

00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.019
just driving through town there and going through

00:49:24.019 --> 00:49:27.000
the roundabout, all that, just seeing all the

00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.159
people. It's just fun over there. It's just kind

00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:34.579
of a different world in, in years. Yeah, it was

00:49:34.579 --> 00:49:37.659
weird. Uh, it was my first time going last year.

00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:43.039
and i went for that toyota takeover and it was

00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.639
just uh i was still pretty new i was very new

00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.239
on sand like that like dune sand so airing down

00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.860
and passing people that were stuck better than

00:49:53.860 --> 00:49:57.219
me i was uh i was pretty nervous honestly you

00:49:57.219 --> 00:50:00.179
know there was like an old like 85 with like

00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:02.780
it had to have been like six inch lift big ass

00:50:02.780 --> 00:50:05.400
tires and that thing was stuck like 20 feet in

00:50:06.090 --> 00:50:09.650
There was, like, a Lexus stuck 4Runner. And I'm

00:50:09.650 --> 00:50:12.010
like, dude. I was, like, getting sketched out

00:50:12.010 --> 00:50:14.349
because I did not have the experience to feel,

00:50:14.449 --> 00:50:18.010
you know, confident on it. So I'm just keeping

00:50:18.010 --> 00:50:19.989
pace with Ed in front of me. And then we get

00:50:19.989 --> 00:50:22.130
out there and we park. And I'm like, okay, you

00:50:22.130 --> 00:50:24.210
know, I'm not sinking down much. This is cool.

00:50:24.670 --> 00:50:28.530
But it's, like, chaos. It's just, like, no fucking

00:50:28.530 --> 00:50:31.349
rules. We're driving. There are people, like,

00:50:31.389 --> 00:50:35.599
driving right in front of us sideways. You know,

00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:37.440
you got people like crossing in front of you

00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:41.039
as you're trying to get down this area. And I'm

00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:45.260
like, dude, fuck. And then finally to get out,

00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:46.880
Ed's like, yeah, we got to go up this hill to

00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.380
get out. I'm like, what? We got to go up a hill?

00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:53.260
He's like, yeah, we're going up this one to get

00:50:53.260 --> 00:50:56.619
out of here. And I'm like, here we go. And so,

00:50:56.820 --> 00:51:01.420
you know, I put it in four again because I was

00:51:01.420 --> 00:51:04.940
on two for a little bit. i had traction control

00:51:04.940 --> 00:51:08.199
started being dumb so put it back in four and

00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:11.559
just fucking booked it up the hill and kind of

00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:16.119
launched it a little bit uh hit hit a whoopee

00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:18.760
and threw everything in the back around but just

00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:20.820
kept going because i was so fucking scared to

00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:24.780
sink it halfway or something so but it was it

00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:29.519
was fun it isn't my cup of tea um just for more

00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.159
of like i hear a lot of people that are closer

00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:38.679
to the It does havoc to your vehicle. So I really

00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:40.559
don't want to have to deal with that much. And

00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.840
when we were out there, we were cooking. So unless

00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.780
we were down by the beach for most of the day,

00:51:46.820 --> 00:51:50.599
it's just not our thing. We like trees and shit.

00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.780
Oh, yeah, the sun out in the sand is killer.

00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:57.449
Yeah, when it gets beaten out there. Yeah. yeah

00:51:57.449 --> 00:51:59.849
my son was out there we were we were out for

00:51:59.849 --> 00:52:02.590
probably an hour or so and he had a sun hat on

00:52:02.590 --> 00:52:04.349
and he was still getting sunburned already and

00:52:04.349 --> 00:52:09.170
i was like yeah time to go yeah all my all my

00:52:09.170 --> 00:52:12.070
issue with the dunes are solely with silver lake

00:52:12.070 --> 00:52:16.090
because like the dunes in yuma arizona fantastic

00:52:16.090 --> 00:52:19.369
you've got like 40 miles there aren't hundreds

00:52:19.369 --> 00:52:23.530
of people piled up but silver lake there's just

00:52:23.530 --> 00:52:26.920
there's people everywhere oh yeah Yeah, it's

00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.400
just one of those big off -road attractions that's

00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.940
available in Michigan. Yeah, it's the biggest

00:52:31.940 --> 00:52:35.000
party in Michigan every weekend, pretty much.

00:52:35.099 --> 00:52:40.380
I mean, it's a happy place. Is that open in the

00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:44.469
winter? No. I didn't think so. I was like, I've

00:52:44.469 --> 00:52:46.309
never seen anybody's snow wheel out there in

00:52:46.309 --> 00:52:49.610
the winter. Or snowmobile, really. They're open

00:52:49.610 --> 00:52:55.750
April 1st to October 31st. And then from November

00:52:55.750 --> 00:52:59.150
1st to beginning of December, you can ride your

00:52:59.150 --> 00:53:03.050
horses out there. Yep. And then I think that's

00:53:03.050 --> 00:53:05.610
it. I mean, otherwise, I'm sure you can bamboozle

00:53:05.610 --> 00:53:08.070
your snowmobile across the lakeshore and get

00:53:08.070 --> 00:53:11.750
over there. But, yeah, there's no, like, legal

00:53:11.750 --> 00:53:15.510
riding there in the winter or anything. Right.

00:53:15.769 --> 00:53:18.610
Yeah, I sent you pictures of the pre -runner

00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:22.429
I built in Arizona, Kurt. That was my dune toy

00:53:22.429 --> 00:53:28.010
that I built back in the day. It was a nine.

00:53:29.409 --> 00:53:33.010
I want to so bad. But the thing is, if I build

00:53:33.010 --> 00:53:35.050
another one, I don't know that I'd use it because

00:53:35.050 --> 00:53:40.210
I hate all the people on Salt Lake. A lot of

00:53:40.210 --> 00:53:43.530
them are, there's a large mix of side -by -side.

00:53:43.530 --> 00:53:47.269
Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's just tons of carelessness.

00:53:47.710 --> 00:53:49.769
And who knows, maybe that's how Yuma is now.

00:53:49.929 --> 00:53:51.489
Yeah, I remember I was wheeling that in like

00:53:51.489 --> 00:53:54.389
2017 when side -by -sides were way less popular.

00:53:55.190 --> 00:53:59.670
Yeah. Yeah. Now everybody's got one. yeah yeah

00:53:59.670 --> 00:54:01.309
the thing about the dunes is i mean you just

00:54:01.309 --> 00:54:03.809
go wide open out there because there's no obstacles

00:54:03.809 --> 00:54:06.829
until there is and then that's where everybody

00:54:06.829 --> 00:54:10.829
gets in trouble but um you know that's too with

00:54:10.829 --> 00:54:13.489
there being so much traffic out there it gets

00:54:13.489 --> 00:54:16.670
rutted so easily and unless they've got a constant

00:54:16.670 --> 00:54:20.190
wind to keep everything graded nicely like it

00:54:20.190 --> 00:54:22.349
gets kind of miserable out there like when there's

00:54:22.349 --> 00:54:24.969
no wind and it's just like the hottest of dry

00:54:24.969 --> 00:54:28.190
days and like it's just there's nothing fun to

00:54:28.190 --> 00:54:30.409
do out there but the side by side people i mean

00:54:30.409 --> 00:54:33.349
there's no limit to their throttle and how fast

00:54:33.349 --> 00:54:36.389
they can take it no matter how rough it is so

00:54:36.389 --> 00:54:39.730
they live out there all the time but yeah i mean

00:54:39.730 --> 00:54:42.250
it's sometimes it can be pretty miserable and

00:54:42.250 --> 00:54:45.190
yeah it gets super rutted and um That's again

00:54:45.190 --> 00:54:47.710
too, on the, on my bigger tires, it's, that's

00:54:47.710 --> 00:54:50.050
a lot more noticeable going through that type

00:54:50.050 --> 00:54:52.210
of stuff too, where before, like on a smaller

00:54:52.210 --> 00:54:55.230
tire, like you get a lot of the, when you're

00:54:55.230 --> 00:54:58.250
going through there and now that's kind of soaked

00:54:58.250 --> 00:55:01.070
up a lot with the bigger tires. But like you

00:55:01.070 --> 00:55:03.110
were saying, the dunes is super rough on something

00:55:03.110 --> 00:55:05.769
that's not really set up for it. Just all that

00:55:05.769 --> 00:55:08.610
shaking and jerking around all the time. I mean,

00:55:08.610 --> 00:55:11.130
just beats the snot out of stuff, especially

00:55:11.130 --> 00:55:13.550
here from Michigan. That's already kind of decrepit.

00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:16.880
begin with i mean you take it out there in the

00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:20.019
salt or not the salt but the sand and it it doesn't

00:55:20.019 --> 00:55:26.300
do it any favors so yeah no no yeah i uh i went

00:55:26.300 --> 00:55:28.780
out there back in high school in a little cj5

00:55:28.780 --> 00:55:32.179
and it was a terrible experience i mean it was

00:55:32.179 --> 00:55:36.400
just all rough it oh it was awful and then uh

00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:41.000
we went for toyota takeover this year and it

00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.019
having the long travel it was a whole different

00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:45.460
world like i didn't feel any ruts it was just

00:55:45.460 --> 00:55:50.719
smooth yeah so big difference it might have been

00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:52.900
way to vehicle too because that cj5 was like

00:55:52.900 --> 00:55:56.500
maybe 1200 pounds yeah and aren't leafs a little

00:55:56.500 --> 00:55:59.280
worse yeah that kind of thing oh that cj washboard

00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:04.480
that cj5 wasn't on leafs oh no no no that one

00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.840
was i mean if it was stock it would have been

00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.519
right now this one had a i want to say a dauntless

00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.900
v6 in it i don't remember what was in that one

00:56:15.900 --> 00:56:19.920
but yeah i mean it was quick it was loud it was

00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.059
fast it just was so rough because it didn't weigh

00:56:23.059 --> 00:56:31.050
anything yep But that is about our hour. It was

00:56:31.050 --> 00:56:32.889
nice having you out, Kurt. I really appreciate

00:56:32.889 --> 00:56:35.769
you asking me to come on. So, yeah, hopefully

00:56:35.769 --> 00:56:37.929
we can do it again sometime and hook up and wheel

00:56:37.929 --> 00:56:41.969
for sure. We'll get you on next time when you

00:56:41.969 --> 00:56:43.590
get back from Leatherwood because I heard you

00:56:43.590 --> 00:56:45.429
got another one of those coming up. Yeah, I'm

00:56:45.429 --> 00:56:48.110
not the mastermind of that trip. That's the wife,

00:56:48.369 --> 00:56:51.570
I think, is setting that up. But, yeah, we could

00:56:51.570 --> 00:56:53.710
definitely do that. So I think coming up here

00:56:53.710 --> 00:56:57.559
we'll have – I think August is going to be pretty

00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.820
dull, but September, um, be doing, uh, Detroit

00:57:01.820 --> 00:57:04.260
four fest is beginning of September. I think

00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:06.260
everybody on the West side, there's going to

00:57:06.260 --> 00:57:08.599
the dune night ride. Um, and I think there's

00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:10.559
maybe some other event too, or something going

00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.139
on, but so a bunch of things conflicting there,

00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:14.820
but then after that, we're going to try to go

00:57:14.820 --> 00:57:17.599
down to wind rock for the bleep and Jeep fan

00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:21.130
ride. They're having. And so anyways, going to

00:57:21.130 --> 00:57:23.250
go see what that's about. I thought that'd be

00:57:23.250 --> 00:57:25.690
kind of a cool opportunity to go down there and

00:57:25.690 --> 00:57:29.650
just meet them and do some wheeling. So we liked

00:57:29.650 --> 00:57:32.969
Kentucky and wanted to try to do some more out

00:57:32.969 --> 00:57:35.030
-of -state stuff. So anyways, we're going to

00:57:35.030 --> 00:57:40.010
give that a shot too. Are you going to be free

00:57:40.010 --> 00:57:44.559
for our... chords and calf coming up uh no i

00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.460
think i was just looking at i think that's four

00:57:46.460 --> 00:57:48.920
fest too that's are you on the sixth is that

00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:52.619
the or the seventh or oh you know what yeah yeah

00:57:52.619 --> 00:57:55.519
it is same weekend as yeah fest yep so that was

00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.360
yeah no that was the other event then that i

00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:59.920
was looking at so sorry i couldn't remember your

00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:03.800
guys's event right away but oh that's all right

00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:07.090
i don't even remember yeah yeah we We'll have

00:58:07.090 --> 00:58:09.269
another one in October, so you can catch that

00:58:09.269 --> 00:58:12.269
one. That should be good. So we should be maybe

00:58:12.269 --> 00:58:17.010
good for October. Yeah, man, it's been cool having

00:58:17.010 --> 00:58:20.170
you on. I guess I should plug Cords and Calf

00:58:20.170 --> 00:58:22.829
a little bit. So we're doing Cords and Calf September

00:58:22.829 --> 00:58:25.929
6th. I'll put the coordinates in the show notes

00:58:25.929 --> 00:58:27.670
because I'm not just going to read them off to

00:58:27.670 --> 00:58:31.989
you. That's kind of hard and long. Yeah, it's

00:58:31.989 --> 00:58:35.849
a pretty cool spot. Cleaned it up recently, so

00:58:35.849 --> 00:58:43.630
it should be a good time. Yep. So on that note,

00:58:43.670 --> 00:58:47.090
we will catch you guys later. Later. Have a good

00:58:47.090 --> 00:58:47.230
one.