WEBVTT 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:15.880 The botch is off -road. Join us as we talk about 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:17.899 everything from gear reviews to trail stories, 00:00:18.100 --> 00:00:20.359 tank camping to rock landing, and all things 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:24.280 to do with the outdoors. This is going to... 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:29.539 Listen to that crack. This is going to be a wrap 00:00:29.539 --> 00:00:33.979 slash hour -long episode all in one. Another 00:00:33.979 --> 00:00:38.119 busy week here at the botches. I did nothing 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.359 last weekend. except sit on my ass and play games 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:45.460 until like 4 in the morning. And I know Mark 00:00:45.460 --> 00:00:47.880 really didn't do a whole lot last weekend, but 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:50.979 Gavin. No. Gavin's got you guys covered. He had 00:00:50.979 --> 00:00:59.200 a hell of a job. Oh, yeah. So we left Thursday. 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:02.880 I can't even remember. I think it was the morning. 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:09.980 Yeah. And pretty quick into it. I had my eye 00:01:09.980 --> 00:01:15.260 on my CV. I was having some diff fluid leaking 00:01:15.260 --> 00:01:18.459 out and just kind of worried about that, whether 00:01:18.459 --> 00:01:22.000 I'd make it up, make it through. And so we stopped 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.120 a bunch of times on the way up to our first spot, 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:33.700 which was just past the bridge. I'd say, I don't 00:01:33.700 --> 00:01:37.500 know, probably an hour or so off the bridge. 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:40.200 And I went down the wrong path. Google Maps, 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:43.140 of course, is not something that you're supposed 00:01:43.140 --> 00:01:46.439 to follow when you're going to trails. But anyway, 00:01:46.700 --> 00:01:49.760 we stopped over there, and it was really, really 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.939 nice. It was near Big Knob State Forest Campground. 00:01:54.980 --> 00:01:59.760 Not there, but in the area. And we parked up 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.819 there, stayed that first night, and it was absolutely 00:02:03.819 --> 00:02:06.640 gorgeous. Just sandy beaches. The kids got to 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.629 play. uh everybody else kind of got into camp 00:02:10.629 --> 00:02:15.909 oh god probably like eight or nine so they had 00:02:15.909 --> 00:02:22.569 a long trip and talked a bit packed up and started 00:02:22.569 --> 00:02:28.590 heading uh west we did a couple it was a couple 00:02:28.590 --> 00:02:31.990 hundred miles a couple hours went through escanaba 00:02:31.990 --> 00:02:37.759 all the way up to wait wait Did you go through 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:43.479 Escanaba in the moonlight? No. No. I knew what 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:48.400 you were doing there, but no. And then we hit 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.680 a campsite. Wait. Did your Chevy take a shit? 00:02:53.340 --> 00:02:56.300 My Chevy take a shit. Did your Chevy take a shit? 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:02.800 No, it didn't. So, yeah, I guess. Wait. Did anybody's 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.460 Chevy take a shit? I don't think it was a Chevy. 00:03:06.500 --> 00:03:12.379 No. It was a Subie. So, actually, thanks for 00:03:12.379 --> 00:03:17.639 reminding me. While I was there Thursday, I threw 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:22.800 some diff fluid in and only got about half a 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.539 quart of diff fluid in before it started overflowing. 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:31.500 So, whatever. I wasn't leaking too bad. So, that 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:35.319 was really nice. I kept an eye on it, but, yeah, 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:42.400 we went west, and in Austin, one of the guys 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.960 that's with me knows a little bit more, was showing 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.900 me where my front diff breathers were, and we 00:03:49.900 --> 00:03:52.759 noticed the caps that are on there were, like, 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:55.879 pretty, I don't know, how would you say it, pretty 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:58.219 stout. They weren't moving very much. They're 00:03:58.219 --> 00:04:00.699 usually supposed to be pretty. Plugged up? Plugged 00:04:00.699 --> 00:04:04.379 up, thank you. And so we wiggled that a little 00:04:04.379 --> 00:04:08.780 bit and loosened them up. And then we went on 00:04:08.780 --> 00:04:14.680 our big long ride to giving. I'm trying to give 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:18.040 areas, but not like exact areas. Calumet area. 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:25.079 Crystal Falls area. Sorry, not Calumet. And we 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:29.800 stopped at this like absolutely gorgeous. It 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:34.060 was like a lake. and the the whole lake was like 00:04:34.060 --> 00:04:38.699 dark blue like crystal clear bottoms and the 00:04:38.699 --> 00:04:40.480 whole pretty much the whole side of the lake 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:44.439 was rock face so it was really cool really unique 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:49.480 looking and um the unfortunate part was where 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.319 we did camp was super super unlevel so it took 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.620 a while for us to like for everybody to find 00:04:55.620 --> 00:04:58.079 a spot some of them kind of had to park down 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.970 not down the road but like There's just so many 00:05:00.970 --> 00:05:03.750 of us that everybody couldn't find a perfect 00:05:03.750 --> 00:05:08.829 spot. Yeah, but absolutely gorgeous camp spot. 00:05:09.209 --> 00:05:13.850 Really quiet. Chilled there, and then in the 00:05:13.850 --> 00:05:17.529 morning it was threatening to rain, and thankfully 00:05:17.529 --> 00:05:20.689 I got packed up in time. But it did rain, rained 00:05:20.689 --> 00:05:23.870 pretty heavy for a little bit on our trail up 00:05:23.870 --> 00:05:28.060 north. And on the way out, the trails that we 00:05:28.060 --> 00:05:31.980 took were pretty fun, honestly. They had, like, 00:05:31.980 --> 00:05:33.560 bigger rocks, kind of like what Everett had, 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.199 some of the bigger rocks in the trail. But it 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:41.019 was all, like, that red mud. And that was just 00:05:41.019 --> 00:05:44.379 slippery, dude. I don't know. It's, like, different 00:05:44.379 --> 00:05:47.300 from Michigan, like, lower Michigan mud. I don't 00:05:47.300 --> 00:05:49.000 know if there's just, like, more clay in it or 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:52.360 what. But it was just slippery. Like, every corner 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:56.220 you were going around, we were hitting it. doing 00:05:56.220 --> 00:05:59.180 little fish tails getting around the trails it's 00:05:59.180 --> 00:06:02.040 pretty fun got some red mud everywhere i didn't 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.279 think i'd have red mud up in the up that's my 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:07.699 this is my first time in the west on western 00:06:07.699 --> 00:06:11.939 part of the up so i've never seen like red puddles 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:14.819 red mud red dirt really oh yeah there's quite 00:06:14.819 --> 00:06:17.040 a bit of them yeah yeah i've never seen that 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.300 so that was pretty cool like i was like dude 00:06:19.300 --> 00:06:21.540 it's like feel like we're down in like arkansas 00:06:21.540 --> 00:06:23.600 or something like you know somewhere down there 00:06:24.610 --> 00:06:28.209 um so yeah we went through there stopped and 00:06:28.209 --> 00:06:32.250 got some gas in crystal falls went up through 00:06:32.250 --> 00:06:36.529 iron river it went all the way up to kind of 00:06:36.529 --> 00:06:41.069 the adventure mountain rockland area and that 00:06:41.069 --> 00:06:44.209 was where we did our next night can i interrupt 00:06:44.209 --> 00:06:46.930 and give a squirrel thought real quick what okay 00:06:46.930 --> 00:06:50.449 so i'm on a humvee repair maintenance facebook 00:06:50.449 --> 00:06:54.899 group And a complete squirrel thought it just 00:06:54.899 --> 00:06:57.139 popped up. I got a notification. That's why I 00:06:57.139 --> 00:06:59.639 brought it up. So I used to work for a company 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.579 called Nartron out of Reed city. And we made 00:07:02.579 --> 00:07:04.980 parts for home V's, you know, turn signal switches, 00:07:05.100 --> 00:07:08.720 stuff like that. Someone just posted a smart 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:13.019 start system and the quality check sticker on 00:07:13.019 --> 00:07:20.360 it has my name on it. Nice. Yeah. So that's all. 00:07:20.540 --> 00:07:24.829 It's going to fail. probably another squirrel 00:07:24.829 --> 00:07:26.910 thought but it's still related to the actual 00:07:26.910 --> 00:07:29.250 thing we're talking about your eyes has been 00:07:29.250 --> 00:07:32.769 two years since you me went to the up alex good 00:07:32.769 --> 00:07:37.589 lord it has yeah too long well no we've been 00:07:37.589 --> 00:07:39.930 we've been to the up since then but that's when 00:07:39.930 --> 00:07:43.430 we did that first big trip yep our first big 00:07:43.430 --> 00:07:49.639 one our first botches yearly yeah Yeah, so we 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:53.000 stopped at the Rockland, and so we split camp 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.199 that night. The one camp was right next to this 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:01.100 red clay river in the area, and the other one 00:08:01.100 --> 00:08:07.819 was at an old mining quarry. And so we went to 00:08:07.819 --> 00:08:10.060 the mining quarry, stopped there, found some 00:08:10.060 --> 00:08:13.779 moss set up on that, because as you can imagine, 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.519 in a mining quarry, there's not a lot of tent 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.220 spots. like ground tent spots that aren't just 00:08:18.220 --> 00:08:22.000 filled with like giant rocks, like not giant, 00:08:22.100 --> 00:08:24.740 but you know, three or four inch and makes it 00:08:24.740 --> 00:08:28.860 very uncomfortable. Um, we chit chat a little 00:08:28.860 --> 00:08:31.720 bit cause we got there probably about five or 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.720 so. And we were talking about going to the lake 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:37.759 of the clouds and I was feeling pretty dirty 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.919 grungy. So I proposed that we went to like Michigan 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:45.620 too, or sorry, Lake Superior. and and we were 00:08:45.620 --> 00:08:47.720 like well we could just go tonight screw it so 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:53.659 we went that night um and yeah that was fucking 00:08:53.659 --> 00:08:57.039 beautiful we got there like i would say 10 minutes 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:02.399 before the sun had set sat out there um i'd never 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:04.059 been to lake of the clouds it's been on our list 00:09:04.059 --> 00:09:07.480 for a couple of years so that was super super 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:13.490 cool um the elevation changes were like gnarly 00:09:13.490 --> 00:09:17.629 i didn't really understand you know like driving 00:09:17.629 --> 00:09:20.830 up driving up that last bit to get up to the 00:09:20.830 --> 00:09:23.210 top of that mountain area i was like god damn 00:09:23.210 --> 00:09:28.429 like and then uh we got up there i checked my 00:09:28.429 --> 00:09:30.250 brakes and stuff because i've been worried about 00:09:30.250 --> 00:09:32.710 my back brakes those uh those are pretty much 00:09:32.710 --> 00:09:35.850 at the wear bars um sorry they are at the wear 00:09:35.850 --> 00:09:42.320 bars so we aired back up came down and stopped 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:44.919 at Lake Superior. We all jumped in Lake Superior. 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:49.179 Sienna, my wife, she hates cold weather and cold 00:09:49.179 --> 00:09:51.620 water, and not only was it cold enough to see 00:09:51.620 --> 00:09:56.419 her breath, it was so cold that the lake was 00:09:56.419 --> 00:10:00.500 fogging off of it. It was still that cold, and 00:10:00.500 --> 00:10:03.200 we went up there, and I was kind of chickening 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:04.759 out, to be honest. I was the one that proposed 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:07.539 that we took a dip. and i was like i know it's 00:10:07.539 --> 00:10:09.879 kind of cold and sienna just fucking trudges 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:11.740 through the water and i'm like are you kidding 00:10:11.740 --> 00:10:16.419 me like like you know sienna she's not a cult 00:10:16.419 --> 00:10:19.100 she won't even get into like river water and 00:10:19.100 --> 00:10:23.120 lake superior is frigid and she got in up to 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.600 her waist and just dove in and we like ed steven 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:28.720 looked at like we looked at each other austin 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.440 looked at me and we were like fuck we gotta go 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.850 now Because if Sienna jumps in, like, I'm not 00:10:33.850 --> 00:10:37.909 going to be caught a pussy. So we got in there. 00:10:38.250 --> 00:10:40.570 And, oh, my God, you could see our breath while 00:10:40.570 --> 00:10:43.090 we were in the water. And we jumped in. It was 00:10:43.090 --> 00:10:45.169 super refreshing. Like, it woke everybody up. 00:10:45.230 --> 00:10:49.529 We all felt really, really good. We got in. We 00:10:49.529 --> 00:10:52.110 went underwater. And we got out. And we walked 00:10:52.110 --> 00:10:56.169 back to our trucks and drove home. Well, home. 00:10:56.370 --> 00:11:00.610 Rockland home. and we chilled out by the fire 00:11:00.610 --> 00:11:03.730 the rest of the night and bullshitted along with 00:11:03.730 --> 00:11:07.149 um oh man i gotta hold on i gotta remember his 00:11:07.149 --> 00:11:12.950 name he's worthy of mention here um yeah i love 00:11:12.950 --> 00:11:15.029 to be a up right now i guess it's 50 degrees 00:11:15.029 --> 00:11:18.649 up there while it's 100 down here yeah i think 00:11:18.649 --> 00:11:23.909 his name's david schmitz pretty sure um he does 00:11:23.909 --> 00:11:30.080 a lot of like motorbike uh like travel but he 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:33.419 brought the to the second campsite which you 00:11:33.419 --> 00:11:36.299 have to go down some pretty like everett type 00:11:36.299 --> 00:11:41.659 rocky trails um he brought a fucking like completely 00:11:41.659 --> 00:11:47.759 mint polished up show ready gto like 60s gto 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:53.659 out there and it was fucking you it was beautiful 00:11:53.659 --> 00:11:57.600 dude and we're like what are you doing and he 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.059 came out hung out for a little bit because he 00:12:00.059 --> 00:12:02.759 lives up there and then left later that night 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:06.419 but so we so we were chatting with him you know 00:12:06.419 --> 00:12:09.139 talking to him about his stories like where he 00:12:09.139 --> 00:12:11.500 almost died up there and i don't want to have 00:12:11.500 --> 00:12:14.330 a motorcycle crash and you know it was pretty 00:12:14.330 --> 00:12:16.990 cool i uh i'd never met him so he had some cool 00:12:16.990 --> 00:12:18.490 stories to tell we should probably get him on 00:12:18.490 --> 00:12:20.649 here actually he'd he'd have a lot of really 00:12:20.649 --> 00:12:25.049 cool stories um so then we got up in the morning 00:12:25.049 --> 00:12:30.470 um and that this would be sunday and half of 00:12:30.470 --> 00:12:34.629 the group pretty much went home they did like 00:12:34.629 --> 00:12:37.470 the mining tour in that area i think it was i 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:39.970 can't remember adventure mine they did that tour 00:12:39.970 --> 00:12:45.710 we split off um joe's fast group was gonna go 00:12:45.710 --> 00:12:48.710 after the mine tour and head up to keweenaw we 00:12:48.710 --> 00:12:52.990 split off from joe um honestly because we wanted 00:12:52.990 --> 00:12:55.470 to just like take our time with the kids and 00:12:55.470 --> 00:12:57.509 if we found a spot we liked we wanted to be able 00:12:57.509 --> 00:12:59.309 to stay there for time and not be under like 00:12:59.309 --> 00:13:03.250 any kind of structure for it so we said our goodbyes 00:13:03.250 --> 00:13:05.830 said hey if we see you we see you because we 00:13:05.830 --> 00:13:08.990 were planning on going up there too and we stopped 00:13:08.990 --> 00:13:12.059 at little some little falls here and there we 00:13:12.059 --> 00:13:15.159 swam in lake michigan for a little bit and made 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:19.000 it up to uh you know copper harbor then the cumana 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:22.559 had to stop refill on water and make sure maps 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.159 were downloaded because no service up there on 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:29.340 the way up to copper harbor so yeah there's nothing 00:13:29.340 --> 00:13:34.279 up no it was it was crazy so uh yeah we refilled 00:13:34.819 --> 00:13:37.320 Right at that fort, right before you go into 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.740 the Keweenaw, there's like a fort, a state park. 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.240 It's got like an old Michigami fort kind of thing. 00:13:44.019 --> 00:13:48.419 Yep. And then we went up to High Rock, and holy 00:13:48.419 --> 00:13:52.220 shit, was that a fun trail. Did you guys take 00:13:52.220 --> 00:13:54.559 the right trail and not the trail that my brother 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:56.980 took us on? No, the trail that we went on was 00:13:56.980 --> 00:14:03.669 the right trail. That was so fun. Yeah. I think 00:14:03.669 --> 00:14:07.370 we took, let's see here. So I'm looking right 00:14:07.370 --> 00:14:12.070 at it anyway. Fort Wilkins, by the way, is the 00:14:12.070 --> 00:14:15.990 name of that. We took High Rock Bay Trail. And 00:14:15.990 --> 00:14:20.769 we followed that all the way up to, what trail 00:14:20.769 --> 00:14:24.730 is this? Well, I think it's Rocket Range Trail. 00:14:25.830 --> 00:14:28.870 And then we went straight up. And instead of 00:14:28.870 --> 00:14:30.809 going to the Rocket Range, we went up to just 00:14:30.809 --> 00:14:35.879 the High Rock Bay area. We were gonna do some 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.759 more, but we got there pretty early and we wanted 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.559 to get set up because there were a lot of people 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:45.179 already there. But, dude, it was... It wasn't 00:14:45.179 --> 00:14:48.820 gnarly in the sense that, like, it was hard. 00:14:49.539 --> 00:14:51.700 No. It was gnarly in the sense of, like, the 00:14:51.700 --> 00:14:55.179 ride was fucking horrible. Like, these are, like, 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:58.779 three, four -inch rocks. Just, I mean, the whole 00:14:58.779 --> 00:15:01.399 trail is three or four -inch rocks. And then... 00:15:01.710 --> 00:15:04.710 We had multiple puddles that were three -quarter 00:15:04.710 --> 00:15:09.370 way up our tire, if not over our rim, which were 00:15:09.370 --> 00:15:12.690 fucking sweet. I loved going through those. We 00:15:12.690 --> 00:15:16.149 had that little water crossing. And, you know, 00:15:16.169 --> 00:15:17.950 there was partway through that trail I'm looking, 00:15:18.029 --> 00:15:22.289 and there's like a hybrid Highlander parked to 00:15:22.289 --> 00:15:24.350 the side of the road. I'm like, how the fuck, 00:15:24.409 --> 00:15:26.710 like? I was like, dude, are we on the right trail? 00:15:26.789 --> 00:15:28.289 Because I don't understand how that thing would 00:15:28.289 --> 00:15:29.950 have cleared some of these rocks. They must have 00:15:29.950 --> 00:15:33.730 taken some good lines on that. And then we got 00:15:33.730 --> 00:15:36.269 up there, found our spot. You know, the kid played 00:15:36.269 --> 00:15:39.009 around, had a bunch of fun, you know, picking 00:15:39.009 --> 00:15:42.769 rocks all day. We were going to sit right up 00:15:42.769 --> 00:15:46.210 at that top high rock spot, but it was getting 00:15:46.210 --> 00:15:49.990 kind of like the black flies were fucking horrible 00:15:49.990 --> 00:15:54.139 up there. And so we went down. Like, there's 00:15:54.139 --> 00:15:57.379 a little trail to go down along the beach. And 00:15:57.379 --> 00:16:00.120 we stopped down there. And the mosquitoes were 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:01.679 bad, but they were better than the black flies. 00:16:01.860 --> 00:16:05.879 So that's where we ended up setting up. Got everything 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:10.179 set up. And probably about three hours. Oh, shit, 00:16:10.220 --> 00:16:14.539 I forgot. We stopped at Gay Sands. At Gay. Went 00:16:14.539 --> 00:16:16.779 to the Gay Beach. Did you go to the Gay Bar? 00:16:16.940 --> 00:16:21.559 We passed it and took a picture of it. And Gay 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:26.899 Sands was pretty cool. It's way bigger than you 00:16:26.899 --> 00:16:31.480 would think. Way bigger. When I drove out there, 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:35.059 it was the same kind of opening when you come 00:16:35.059 --> 00:16:39.659 into Silver Lake. It's just all black sand. Super 00:16:39.659 --> 00:16:43.620 gritty. Sucks when it gets in your sandals. We 00:16:43.620 --> 00:16:45.960 were thinking about stopping there, but there's 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:50.539 arsenic in that. The government says they cleaned 00:16:50.539 --> 00:16:52.139 it up, and I don't really trust the government. 00:16:53.259 --> 00:16:56.179 So we were like, yeah, no. So anyway, yeah, so 00:16:56.179 --> 00:16:59.240 we get to Rocket Range. Joe's group comes in 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:01.720 probably three or four hours later. I guess they 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.019 spent, like, two and a half hours bebopping at 00:17:04.019 --> 00:17:08.599 Gay Sands. Which, yeah, I mean, you could. You 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.400 could if you wanted to, like, do the speed thing 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:18.019 and actually bebop. So they did that. And, yeah, 00:17:18.099 --> 00:17:20.980 they said they had a Subaru hydro -locked in. 00:17:22.029 --> 00:17:24.170 one of the puddles on the way up to high rock 00:17:24.170 --> 00:17:27.990 i guess so they uh they tried helping that guy 00:17:27.990 --> 00:17:31.029 out and they came up here it was pretty fun dude 00:17:31.029 --> 00:17:35.029 um oh and we went over a trestle bridge that 00:17:35.029 --> 00:17:40.029 was fucking sweet um it scared the shit out of 00:17:40.029 --> 00:17:42.470 me though like i'm not super like i'm scared 00:17:42.470 --> 00:17:44.309 of heights but only on like ladders and stuff 00:17:44.309 --> 00:17:47.970 but when you're driving on that wooden trestle 00:17:47.970 --> 00:17:49.910 bridge and you can hear it kind of creaking stuff 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:52.799 And then you just look down, and it's like a 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:54.759 couple. It had to have been a couple hundred 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:59.279 feet down. It was nuts. But it was a fun trip, 00:17:59.339 --> 00:18:02.099 dude. We were done from Thursday to Tuesday. 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:07.059 We made the massive trip back Tuesday. Sienna 00:18:07.059 --> 00:18:09.160 actually drove for part of it because I was done. 00:18:10.380 --> 00:18:13.720 I was tired. You just needed more coffee. Well, 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:15.559 I think that's the quietest I've ever been on 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:20.589 the podcast. I was just enthralled in your conversation 00:18:20.589 --> 00:18:25.789 looking at photos of your trip. Yeah, I posted 00:18:25.789 --> 00:18:30.250 a lot. But yeah, so you just needed more coffee 00:18:30.250 --> 00:18:33.470 and you just needed some Monster and some Rockstars 00:18:33.470 --> 00:18:36.109 and you'd been fine. Oh, my Monsters. I was at 00:18:36.109 --> 00:18:38.230 the point where I was like three or four Monsters 00:18:38.230 --> 00:18:40.750 in and I was just crashing no matter what. What 00:18:40.750 --> 00:18:44.529 color were they? My blue ones. Well, there's 00:18:44.529 --> 00:18:46.809 your problem. Yeah, it's the only ones I drank. 00:18:47.089 --> 00:18:49.309 You have to have either a white one or a green 00:18:49.309 --> 00:18:52.369 one. Yeah. The blue ones have left caffeine. 00:18:52.609 --> 00:18:56.069 That's just a known fact. Yeah. That's fair. 00:18:56.250 --> 00:19:01.069 That's fair. Oh, I did get to use our Overlander 00:19:01.069 --> 00:19:04.609 coffee maker, the BrewTrek. I used that every 00:19:04.609 --> 00:19:08.430 day, and it was amazing. Isn't it? Did you take 00:19:08.430 --> 00:19:11.910 your little metal flap out, or did you leave 00:19:11.910 --> 00:19:14.569 yours in? I left it in. I never had an issue. 00:19:15.049 --> 00:19:18.089 I cannot get that fucker to push down when I've 00:19:18.089 --> 00:19:20.470 got that in. And then it does push down, and 00:19:20.470 --> 00:19:23.089 it just starts shooting out the top at me. Yeah, 00:19:23.109 --> 00:19:24.529 I don't know what happened with yours, because 00:19:24.529 --> 00:19:26.450 mine never had an issue. It pushes down super 00:19:26.450 --> 00:19:31.150 easy. I had my little... It might be improved. 00:19:31.650 --> 00:19:33.609 Yeah. What's up? Now I might have the improved 00:19:33.609 --> 00:19:36.130 edition. I said his might be improved. Yeah, 00:19:36.190 --> 00:19:39.170 mine is not easy to push down. Mine is a version 00:19:39.170 --> 00:19:43.099 one. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know. But, yeah, 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:47.119 no, it worked fucking amazing. And I even served 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:49.359 up some coffee to some other campers, and they 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:51.400 really liked it, too. Like I said, I had that 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:54.359 corded grinder, so I was, like, grinding it fresh 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:57.400 every day. It was pretty nice, dude. And that 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.640 grinder was super silent, so that was actually 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.500 really cool. Everything went good. The Brewtrek 00:20:03.500 --> 00:20:06.160 Overlander might be my favorite piece of, like, 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.869 kitchen gear I own. Yeah. Yeah, I will say that 00:20:10.869 --> 00:20:15.569 the tent's starting to get a little small with 00:20:15.569 --> 00:20:18.150 him, the kid. I thought you were going to take 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:24.990 the big pop -up one. The core tent. Yeah, I wasn't 00:20:24.990 --> 00:20:30.829 planning on it. For the take -up and take -down, 00:20:31.009 --> 00:20:33.329 I was thinking the two -person because I can 00:20:33.329 --> 00:20:36.069 do it myself while she's busy with him, and it's 00:20:36.069 --> 00:20:39.359 super fast. by myself like i can get everything 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:41.940 done in like a couple minutes if that i would 00:20:41.940 --> 00:20:44.799 say the quartet i think setting up alone it took 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:47.720 me about like six minutes six or seven minutes 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.180 and and i think i might take that on the next 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:54.740 one um even if it is like you're moving every 00:20:54.740 --> 00:20:59.299 day and like we did okay in this tent like there 00:20:59.299 --> 00:21:02.000 was room we were comfortable we were fine but 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.119 i could see in another couple months that being 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.079 different like when it's a little bigger with 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.819 the core tent it's a quick setup tent yes it's 00:21:09.819 --> 00:21:13.380 a bigger footprint but it sets up like most two 00:21:13.380 --> 00:21:16.700 -person tents do time wise right so it's not 00:21:16.700 --> 00:21:20.059 like you're moving every day yeah the only time 00:21:20.059 --> 00:21:21.720 the big footprint would have been an issue is 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:23.619 the rock quarry because i didn't have enough 00:21:23.619 --> 00:21:26.799 space there for one but otherwise it would have 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.220 been perfectly fine this weekend space wise is 00:21:30.220 --> 00:21:33.039 the issue like it i'd have to figure out something 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:35.700 I'm sure I could stuff it somewhere, but we were 00:21:35.700 --> 00:21:39.700 packed, packed to the brim. But everything, all 00:21:39.700 --> 00:21:44.660 the system I had in place for packing, for cooking, 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:47.180 everything like that, it worked flawlessly. Even 00:21:47.180 --> 00:21:51.019 the pop -up, that worked good once we figured 00:21:51.019 --> 00:21:54.140 it out. We still can't close it one person, but 00:21:54.140 --> 00:21:57.940 with two of us, we can get it. It's fine. It 00:21:57.940 --> 00:21:59.660 only takes us a minute if there's two of us. 00:21:59.980 --> 00:22:04.500 The pop -up what? I'm sorry. The shitter. oh 00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:07.819 yeah dude so i i will say that switching to that 00:22:07.819 --> 00:22:10.980 one that i bought the king's camp i can't go 00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:12.940 back to one of those shitty hard to take down 00:22:12.940 --> 00:22:16.220 ones yeah well and i told sienna about that i 00:22:16.220 --> 00:22:18.119 said you know when this one takes a crap maybe 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:21.259 we'll switch to that um yeah but it was really 00:22:21.259 --> 00:22:22.900 nice because i could just set that out in the 00:22:22.900 --> 00:22:26.500 woods i didn't have to do anything i only uh 00:22:26.500 --> 00:22:29.700 i only had my fold out one on the side of the 00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:34.160 truck out like a day or two like just uh for 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.079 a second like if we had an emergency at camp 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:39.079 like we had to go to the bathroom or something 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:42.619 the star the star player this weekend was a modium 00:22:42.619 --> 00:22:46.359 that was so so good the only time that i really 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:48.359 see the fold out one nice is like when you're 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:50.460 on the side of a trail and have to take a shit 00:22:50.460 --> 00:22:55.119 yeah it was that um it's actually kind of nice 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:58.079 for like like if you have to change like to go 00:22:58.079 --> 00:22:59.579 to the beach or something like that and you're 00:22:59.579 --> 00:23:02.440 at the beach it'd be nice for that Yeah, that 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.759 was nice. We stopped at a roadside park and went 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:08.200 to the beach, took like an hour off of driving 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.039 just to get him out. Because he was, I mean, 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:14.900 it was nine hours of driving, of just drive time, 00:23:15.019 --> 00:23:17.940 not like stopping, nothing else, just nine hours 00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:21.480 on Google Maps. So he was done. I'm thinking 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:23.579 about getting one of those side ones when I get 00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:28.009 my roof rack. It'd be nice, like, when we take 00:23:28.009 --> 00:23:29.670 the swag somewhere, right? Because you're not 00:23:29.670 --> 00:23:31.710 changing in the swag. Like, it's way too small 00:23:31.710 --> 00:23:34.029 for that. Yeah, it's tight for that. Yep. So 00:23:34.029 --> 00:23:36.670 it'd be nice to have something like that that 00:23:36.670 --> 00:23:39.109 I could just, you know, pop up real quick and 00:23:39.109 --> 00:23:41.970 just change and stuff like that. Couldn't you 00:23:41.970 --> 00:23:44.890 do that in the shower part of your shitter? I 00:23:44.890 --> 00:23:47.349 only have a single, a one. Oh, yeah, I forgot. 00:23:47.410 --> 00:23:49.730 You don't have the dual. You have the. I thought 00:23:49.730 --> 00:23:52.390 I meant to buy the dual and somehow ended up 00:23:52.390 --> 00:23:56.430 buying the single. Yeah. Oh, we also stopped 00:23:56.430 --> 00:24:02.349 at, I think it was Agate Falls. That was fucking 00:24:02.349 --> 00:24:04.630 just beautiful, dude. That was amazing. Those 00:24:04.630 --> 00:24:09.970 pictures are up, too. That was one of my favorite 00:24:09.970 --> 00:24:13.670 falls we've ever been to. Tobacco Falls, we stopped 00:24:13.670 --> 00:24:15.670 there. That's where we sat and played and kind 00:24:15.670 --> 00:24:18.349 of swam around a little bit. That's just on a 00:24:18.349 --> 00:24:22.769 roadside park. on the coast so that wasn't really 00:24:22.769 --> 00:24:24.910 it wasn't hard to get to they're actually not 00:24:24.910 --> 00:24:27.769 big but they were fun to walk up and down the 00:24:27.769 --> 00:24:32.130 lake was warm kid loved it so also to answer 00:24:32.130 --> 00:24:35.450 your question that is a chunk of copper yeah 00:24:35.450 --> 00:24:39.890 i figured um i by the color you know we found 00:24:39.890 --> 00:24:41.450 that at high rock bay we found a lot of cool 00:24:41.450 --> 00:24:44.890 rocks at high rock bay obviously i think that 00:24:44.890 --> 00:24:48.349 whole that whole that whole beach is just rock 00:24:48.349 --> 00:24:52.940 it's awesome it's a pain to walk in like barefoot 00:24:52.940 --> 00:24:55.960 but there's a lot of fun to go through the water 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:58.319 and stuff around there because the first part 00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:01.119 of the beach is just like like i don't know like 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:04.859 the first five feet of like the water beach part 00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:07.799 like when you get into the water is rock just 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.059 like the rock shelf kind of thing so it was cool 00:25:10.059 --> 00:25:14.180 yeah overall like my my biggest concern which 00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:17.410 was diff that kind of healed itself when we opened 00:25:17.410 --> 00:25:19.390 the breathers and i stopped leaking death fluid 00:25:19.390 --> 00:25:23.150 so that was the biggest concern breaks were the 00:25:23.150 --> 00:25:26.450 second and honestly i kind of just was like whatever 00:25:26.450 --> 00:25:30.009 thankfully austin was nice enough because we 00:25:30.009 --> 00:25:33.349 were gonna change them saturday night on the 00:25:33.349 --> 00:25:36.990 trail uh well on the trail at camp but we were 00:25:36.990 --> 00:25:41.130 so unlevel and the ground is super soft i was 00:25:41.130 --> 00:25:43.480 like i don't want to risk you know anything slipping 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:45.920 it's not worth it the brakes will be fine you 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:49.619 know so it was a lot of fun i did get dubbed 00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:54.400 officially a botches member yeah because because 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:58.819 i was doing uh camp repairs or working on my 00:25:58.819 --> 00:26:05.500 truck at camp. Listen. I got back. I'm wiping 00:26:05.500 --> 00:26:07.940 my hands, getting the diff fluid off of it. And 00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:09.500 Jill's like, I think, yeah, you're officially 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:11.440 botches because you're working on your truck 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.000 at camp. I'm like, damn, yeah, you're right, 00:26:14.059 --> 00:26:16.740 too. Just because we have class. I don't associate 00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:20.500 with those nerds. I'm not a part of those nerds. 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:22.859 You are, though. I said it was just maintenance. 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.859 It doesn't count. It does. No. No, it was fun. 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.839 I had no official breakdowns. I did tell a couple 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:32.859 people not to go to High Rock. Like, we stopped 00:26:32.859 --> 00:26:37.640 and I aired up. And there was like a brand new 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:44.339 Cadillac SUV. You know, stock SUV. Just some 00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:47.160 old timers in it. We saw a minivan go through 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.660 there last time we were there. It's worse than 00:26:49.660 --> 00:26:53.069 it was two years ago. I can believe it. I was 00:26:53.069 --> 00:26:56.490 just talking to people about that, and Joe even 00:26:56.490 --> 00:26:58.470 said that it was worse. Like, the puddles are 00:26:58.470 --> 00:27:02.509 deeper. The rocks seem to be, like, worse. We 00:27:02.509 --> 00:27:05.109 saw some washout when we went. Yeah, there's 00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:08.109 some washout. It was pretty fun. But, like, I 00:27:08.109 --> 00:27:10.390 looked at that vehicle, and I'm like, dude, like, 00:27:10.430 --> 00:27:13.430 your clearance is nothing. Like, you will hit 00:27:13.430 --> 00:27:15.230 the first rock sitting in the middle of the trail. 00:27:15.789 --> 00:27:18.309 And I told him that. I'm like, I don't recommend 00:27:18.309 --> 00:27:22.519 you guys doing that. no it's beautiful but it's 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:24.420 not that beautiful that it's worth wrecking your 00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:27.400 car like no and they're like well we appreciate 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:29.460 it thank you and they turned around i was like 00:27:29.460 --> 00:27:32.640 i was like okay good deed done because it was 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.039 it wasn't worth it like no i'm not saying high 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:39.579 rock bay isn't beautiful it is but i don't think 00:27:39.579 --> 00:27:41.720 that's like honestly a lake of the clouds is 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.900 as far as destination goes lake of the clouds 00:27:44.900 --> 00:27:48.420 is more beautiful camp spots it was cool but 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:51.940 I don't know. I like sandy beach camp spots, 00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:56.279 too. I mean, that's pretty much like telling 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:58.400 people not to go to Marblehead because we know 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.380 the water crossings are bad depending on which 00:28:00.380 --> 00:28:03.019 way you go. Yeah, yeah. And there was only one 00:28:03.019 --> 00:28:06.519 way from that point. I didn't see the branch 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.240 trail that was there. I did see some, I guess, 00:28:09.339 --> 00:28:15.259 but there's one. The one we were on. Yeah, that's 00:28:15.259 --> 00:28:18.339 the one we hit. Alan took us down that one. The 00:28:18.339 --> 00:28:24.640 north point to the rocket range? No, that's High 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.839 Rock Bay. We took High Rock Bay. Oh, okay. I 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:31.579 see where you are. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fun coastline 00:28:31.579 --> 00:28:34.099 to go across. But that was a down and back, right? 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:35.900 You didn't actually get to rocket range from 00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:39.480 there. No, 100%. It looked like it used to, but 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.660 I think it got turned to a private land or something 00:28:41.660 --> 00:28:43.759 at one point. Yeah, there is some private land 00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:45.680 there. I was just wondering because it doesn't 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.509 look like it connects. So that's why I didn't 00:28:48.509 --> 00:28:53.950 end up going down there. Yeah. I guess we saw 00:28:53.950 --> 00:28:57.890 a soggy bottom trail, which was blue. And I actually 00:28:57.890 --> 00:29:01.410 had some guys that weren't as experienced, I 00:29:01.410 --> 00:29:04.890 guess, behind me. And so I didn't want to take 00:29:04.890 --> 00:29:09.150 them down anything too crazy. Or I probably would 00:29:09.150 --> 00:29:12.569 have went. I don't know. We didn't do soggy bottoms. 00:29:12.670 --> 00:29:14.829 We were starting to make our way to soggy bottoms, 00:29:14.910 --> 00:29:17.319 and we decided to go back. I was like, dude, 00:29:17.460 --> 00:29:20.920 if the regular trail is this bad, I was like, 00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:22.799 I don't know if I want to attempt soggy bottom 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.559 trail. Because I think Horseshoe became rocky 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.519 in some parts. Horseshoe was rocky the whole 00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:35.269 way. That one was... I had my stock Tacoma high, 00:29:35.349 --> 00:29:37.670 so I was like, I don't want a chance of going 00:29:37.670 --> 00:29:42.150 down these right now. It was rocky the whole 00:29:42.150 --> 00:29:44.809 way. I was down to 30 PSI and it was rocking 00:29:44.809 --> 00:29:50.410 our world still. It looks like they're going 00:29:50.410 --> 00:29:56.990 to do some plowing on it, dude. There was a sign 00:29:56.990 --> 00:30:02.150 up there saying it was going to be closed. I 00:30:02.150 --> 00:30:04.230 forget what it was, September or something like 00:30:04.230 --> 00:30:08.769 that. Yeah. September 8th to the 12th, it'll 00:30:08.769 --> 00:30:12.549 be under construction by the Q &A ATV and snowmobile 00:30:12.549 --> 00:30:16.049 clubs. So, safe to say that's going to get... 00:30:16.049 --> 00:30:18.170 Yeah. Safe to say that's going to get... Snowmobile. 00:30:18.930 --> 00:30:21.369 Yeah, it's going to get pretty well done. Yeah. 00:30:21.569 --> 00:30:24.009 So, I'm assuming they're just going to take a 00:30:24.009 --> 00:30:25.670 dozer down it and straighten everything out. 00:30:25.849 --> 00:30:31.569 I hear that they're going to... fix that water 00:30:31.569 --> 00:30:35.710 crossing so yeah it's gonna get marvel headed 00:30:35.710 --> 00:30:40.210 definitely yeah so the thing is though i can 00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:44.210 see them doing it because snowmobile is a major 00:30:44.210 --> 00:30:48.589 market for them when winter comes yeah and it's 00:30:48.589 --> 00:30:50.829 the reason why no one wants you to be off -roading 00:30:50.829 --> 00:30:54.710 up there right during the winter time yeah it's 00:30:54.710 --> 00:30:58.210 it's a major market up there but it's just like 00:30:58.210 --> 00:31:01.400 uh But I could see how they would get more tourism 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:05.640 if they, you know, made that trail a little easier 00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.400 to work on, to little drive on. Because there 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.980 were three cars that turned around after I talked 00:31:10.980 --> 00:31:13.240 to that one. They kind of overheard me, and they 00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.859 turned around. Three more cars that would have 00:31:15.859 --> 00:31:17.279 been to High Rock. But, hey, I mean, they still 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.799 went to the area. Like, I remember going to Copper 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:21.640 Harbor as a kid, and I thought Copper Harbor 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:25.380 was, like, super cool. I went through Copper 00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:28.730 Harbor. a couple days ago and i was like this 00:31:28.730 --> 00:31:30.809 is kind of underwhelming this isn't what i quite 00:31:30.809 --> 00:31:34.089 remembered although the switchbacks to get up 00:31:34.089 --> 00:31:37.890 there were pretty cool sienna was like there's 00:31:37.890 --> 00:31:41.369 a bunch of like curves and dips and stuff it's 00:31:41.369 --> 00:31:43.750 like 45 throughout the switchbacks to get up 00:31:43.750 --> 00:31:46.630 to copper harbor and sienna was just like she 00:31:46.630 --> 00:31:48.349 doesn't get car sick but she was like i just 00:31:48.349 --> 00:31:50.769 don't like this road dude it's left it's right 00:31:50.769 --> 00:31:55.549 the dips up and down my little truck was like 00:31:56.299 --> 00:32:00.200 screaming i was like you good buddy like barry 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.220 was barry was having the time of his life mark 00:32:03.220 --> 00:32:06.140 do you remember that like stock minivan that 00:32:06.140 --> 00:32:09.920 we found on the uh high rock metro yeah that's 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:15.920 why i told him jesus there was a uh there was 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.240 a car broke down looked like it snapped it's 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:23.880 uh i want to say like hub or axle or whatever 00:32:24.889 --> 00:32:27.869 Did we see a Buick LeSabre there, too? I think 00:32:27.869 --> 00:32:31.589 so. It was an Acura from Illinois, and it was 00:32:31.589 --> 00:32:35.250 still on the High Rock Road, but it was before 00:32:35.250 --> 00:32:39.069 it got to all the deeper water. Yeah. And that 00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:40.730 was sitting on the side of the road on our way 00:32:40.730 --> 00:32:44.670 back. It looked like the wheel just fell off. 00:32:45.369 --> 00:32:48.730 That's what it looked like. Typical Rust Belt 00:32:48.730 --> 00:32:52.920 things. Well, yeah. Yeah, that or that freaking 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.059 rattled their wheel off, but snap something going 00:32:56.059 --> 00:32:59.900 too fast. A lot of these people, like, if you 00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:01.839 pick the right lines, you can get through just 00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:05.319 about anything. But a lot of these people that 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:08.019 don't know any better, I would say city goers, 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.539 you know what I mean? Like, never had the experience. 00:33:11.019 --> 00:33:15.140 Tourists. Yeah. Never had experience with, like, 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.940 going off -road and making good judgment calls. 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.480 Because, like, that Subaru that, like, hydro 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.730 -locked. apparently he said he had water going 00:33:23.730 --> 00:33:28.750 up past the hood and that only happens especially 00:33:28.750 --> 00:33:31.109 on those puddles there if you're going way too 00:33:31.109 --> 00:33:34.890 fucking fast through it yeah so like i like i 00:33:34.890 --> 00:33:37.630 could see how it would get above maybe his grill 00:33:37.630 --> 00:33:39.910 or something because it was an outback i could 00:33:39.910 --> 00:33:42.529 see it would be deeper for that guy but it would 00:33:42.529 --> 00:33:44.789 not be going over his hood unless he was fucking 00:33:44.789 --> 00:33:49.029 bombing that puddle so But even then, I bombed 00:33:49.029 --> 00:33:51.289 puddles and it got over my hood. You're a lot 00:33:51.289 --> 00:33:55.890 taller than a freaking Forester. Yeah. Dude, 00:33:56.190 --> 00:33:59.269 they got deep. On my wheels, they were up to 00:33:59.269 --> 00:34:04.349 the tops of the wheels. I mean, for an Outback 00:34:04.349 --> 00:34:06.589 with significantly smaller wheels and clearance, 00:34:06.789 --> 00:34:10.429 I mean. And like I said, he was bombing them. 00:34:10.449 --> 00:34:12.949 You could tell by how he was dressed that he 00:34:12.949 --> 00:34:15.159 did not know what he was doing. I guess when 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.059 you said puddle, I was thinking, like, actual 00:34:17.059 --> 00:34:19.099 puddle, and he was, like, drowning his car from 00:34:19.099 --> 00:34:21.579 puddle splash on the hood. No, these were, like, 00:34:21.659 --> 00:34:25.360 they're called puddles, but they're, like, did 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:29.360 you see the video of me going through the one? 00:34:30.059 --> 00:34:35.039 Yeah. It was like that, but it was deeper, and 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:36.920 I just didn't feel like, and there was a bunch 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.250 of, like, bigger rocks in it. So I didn't feel 00:34:39.250 --> 00:34:41.789 like backing up. Because what I was doing was 00:34:41.789 --> 00:34:43.750 I was driving through it, dropping Sienna off, 00:34:43.869 --> 00:34:46.469 backing up through it, and then coming back through 00:34:46.469 --> 00:34:51.170 it for the video. And I just had to get a couple 00:34:51.170 --> 00:34:54.269 of shots. Because I had very little to no video 00:34:54.269 --> 00:34:56.230 of me. And I realized that as we were leaving. 00:34:56.349 --> 00:34:58.710 And I was like, damn it, dude. So watching that 00:34:58.710 --> 00:35:01.929 video, he'd have to be flying to hydrolock his 00:35:01.929 --> 00:35:04.739 car in that. Well, like I said, it was. much 00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:06.519 deeper in the other way which are you looking 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.960 at the one where it was the puddle or the uh 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.079 or me going through the actual water crossing 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.000 puddle going through for sure puddle like that 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:20.239 that is a puddle literally basic puddle i didn't 00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:21.800 even know you did a water crossing where's that 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.179 video at yeah that's just a creek it wasn't like 00:35:25.179 --> 00:35:31.159 a real one but it was the puddle was deeper yeah 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.920 yeah so But, yeah, I mean, and that wasn't, like, 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.260 a deep one. Like, there were deeper ones that 00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:41.360 were, like, 15, 20 foot long that you had to 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.139 drive through. And while it was an absolute blast, 00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.460 I didn't have to engage four -wheel drive this 00:35:46.460 --> 00:35:51.460 whole weekend, unfortunately. That was a bummer. 00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:55.539 If that tells you how wheeling in Michigan goes. 00:35:56.380 --> 00:35:58.900 Yeah, I mean, that was also the trails. Like, 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.880 the trails that they planned weren't hard trails. 00:36:02.460 --> 00:36:07.159 But on Onyx, they show that they're trails, but 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.739 they were more forest service roads. I got you. 00:36:10.059 --> 00:36:15.900 Oh, that's Michigan in general for us. So partway 00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:20.000 through it, we kind of split off because we were 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:24.380 in the slow group. And we split off. Austin Winters, 00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:28.219 who's a really knowledgeable guy when it comes 00:36:28.219 --> 00:36:31.969 to that stuff, wheeling around anyway. me him 00:36:31.969 --> 00:36:37.070 and ed and steven yen my the other fj uh we all 00:36:37.070 --> 00:36:40.829 we all dubbed ourselves or i dubbed ourselves 00:36:40.829 --> 00:36:45.150 a scout group so if there was a trail that we 00:36:45.150 --> 00:36:47.769 weren't sure about or we had stopped for like 00:36:47.769 --> 00:36:49.570 they were like do you want to go see a dam and 00:36:49.570 --> 00:36:53.179 i'm like it's a dam like But there were three 00:36:53.179 --> 00:36:55.119 other trails. I was like, let's go check out 00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.099 these trails. So we went bombing down the trails 00:36:57.099 --> 00:37:00.039 down there. And we found some cool stuff that 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.579 way. While they were walking around, we went 00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:07.239 and bombed down some trails. Austin and I took 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.559 a split to one of the trails, to Little Falls, 00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.000 I think is what it was called. And we bombed 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.320 down it just ourselves. And it was really cool. 00:37:16.579 --> 00:37:19.820 We had to cut some trees down. couldn't find 00:37:19.820 --> 00:37:22.460 the falls even though we were like right on top 00:37:22.460 --> 00:37:24.699 of them so we turned around and met back up with 00:37:24.699 --> 00:37:29.440 the group but and then at rockland the actual 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.460 camp spot there was a trail going through it 00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:35.380 that had some really nice deep water in it like 00:37:35.380 --> 00:37:39.039 it was up to the top of our wheels and we were 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.880 like oh this is sweet but we were also just got 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:44.480 to camp and we were like i don't know how much 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.489 we want a chance going down this so we turned 00:37:47.489 --> 00:37:51.269 around but it was it was cool like wheeling wise 00:37:51.269 --> 00:37:56.489 it wasn't what like even like i don't know there 00:37:56.489 --> 00:37:58.369 wasn't anything really hard high rock bay was 00:37:58.369 --> 00:38:02.170 the hardest um and i did kind of want to do the 00:38:02.170 --> 00:38:04.829 trail with joe because that actually had some 00:38:04.829 --> 00:38:08.949 more technical stuff on it but um we stayed like 00:38:08.949 --> 00:38:14.110 a whole nother day after they left so i was like 00:38:14.110 --> 00:38:16.369 yeah i'm just I'm not going to take that with 00:38:16.369 --> 00:38:21.869 those guys either because we left together. It 00:38:21.869 --> 00:38:25.289 was cool. I mean, 10 out of 10 would do it again. 00:38:26.429 --> 00:38:28.849 And I definitely want to get a house in Houghton. 00:38:28.929 --> 00:38:30.630 I don't know if you guys have ever driven through 00:38:30.630 --> 00:38:35.050 Houghton, but that city is gorgeous, dude. Houghton's 00:38:35.050 --> 00:38:39.829 cool. Damn near impossible to live in, but it's 00:38:39.829 --> 00:38:43.409 cool. I was like, oh. There's a hardware store. 00:38:43.489 --> 00:38:46.849 I could get a job there. There's a Dollar General. 00:38:47.030 --> 00:38:51.289 I could get a job there. To live there, you almost 00:38:51.289 --> 00:38:55.630 have to have some rich guy money just like out 00:38:55.630 --> 00:38:58.469 of the blue. There's some cheap houses. It's 00:38:58.469 --> 00:39:00.309 just where you're going to make the money is 00:39:00.309 --> 00:39:02.789 the issue. Yeah, where you're going to make the 00:39:02.789 --> 00:39:06.289 money and it's high cost of living. Yep. Oh, 00:39:06.690 --> 00:39:09.869 dude. You know what was fucking crazy? Is gas 00:39:09.869 --> 00:39:12.289 down here is more expensive than gas up there. 00:39:12.369 --> 00:39:16.530 We hit $2 .85 up there. I came down here, it's 00:39:16.530 --> 00:39:20.170 fucking $3 .40. Depends on where you're at. I've 00:39:20.170 --> 00:39:23.989 seen $2 .80. It does, but up there, we barely 00:39:23.989 --> 00:39:27.289 saw anything over $3 .00. I was like, dude, is 00:39:27.289 --> 00:39:30.510 it because you're closer to Canada or what? Why 00:39:30.510 --> 00:39:33.489 is it cheaper up here where it's harder to get 00:39:33.489 --> 00:39:36.090 to? Sometimes it's more expensive up there. It 00:39:36.090 --> 00:39:38.829 just depends, I guess. Yeah, yeah, because we 00:39:38.829 --> 00:39:43.489 did good on our gas budget because of that. There's 00:39:43.489 --> 00:39:45.670 a Canadian gas station in Sault Ste. Marie that 00:39:45.670 --> 00:39:49.389 was cheaper than our actual gas station. Yeah, 00:39:49.389 --> 00:39:53.349 it's crazy. By like 10 cents. Yeah, we saved 00:39:53.349 --> 00:39:58.190 a bunch of money. So, yeah, all in all, good. 00:40:00.070 --> 00:40:01.829 Didn't really have anything that didn't work 00:40:01.829 --> 00:40:03.869 out well for us, like as far as equipment goes, 00:40:04.070 --> 00:40:07.750 so everything performed well. It was pretty smooth. 00:40:07.869 --> 00:40:11.409 We got everything pretty. I will say that I wanted 00:40:11.409 --> 00:40:14.849 a rooftop tent more this week than I have before. 00:40:16.110 --> 00:40:19.769 Um, just because of like a lot of the places 00:40:19.769 --> 00:40:21.889 that we were at were super uneven and rocky. 00:40:22.030 --> 00:40:29.030 Yeah. And like, and I had two seats, even with 00:40:29.030 --> 00:40:31.230 them in compression sacks, just two seats, like 00:40:31.230 --> 00:40:35.010 pillows, sleeping bags, extra blanket for the 00:40:35.010 --> 00:40:38.260 kid. they were just filled up with like bedding 00:40:38.260 --> 00:40:39.780 and it was like dude i just want to be able to 00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:42.980 like i could delete a seat if i didn't need like 00:40:42.980 --> 00:40:46.059 it was just such a pain in the ass i mean all 00:40:46.059 --> 00:40:49.559 if you really think about it like how warm was 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.679 it at night it was pretty warm at night it it 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.719 was pretty cool the first couple nights and then 00:40:56.719 --> 00:41:02.119 like are we talking like low 60s 50s and 40s 00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.619 to 50s the first couple nights okay that's a 00:41:04.619 --> 00:41:08.409 little cooler But it did get into, like, I would 00:41:08.409 --> 00:41:12.630 say 50s the last couple nights. And then that 00:41:12.630 --> 00:41:17.929 one, like, we barely used a rain fly this weekend. 00:41:18.190 --> 00:41:22.409 And if we did, it was just in case. But we didn't 00:41:22.409 --> 00:41:25.349 have anything heavy enough to warrant anything. 00:41:25.489 --> 00:41:27.349 We were already packed up by the time the heavy 00:41:27.349 --> 00:41:31.550 stuff came. But it was fucking gorgeous, though. 00:41:32.980 --> 00:41:35.099 especially summertime one of the ways you can 00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:37.199 really save space on betting is just getting 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.340 like one of those uh zip up sheets like what 00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:44.840 i put in the swag yeah yeah yeah i i would like 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.940 to i i like having the 20s because especially 00:41:47.940 --> 00:41:50.219 up there in the up like you'd never know right 00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:52.699 like day by day it could be something different 00:41:52.699 --> 00:41:58.239 so like that was that was like dude one day it 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:01.480 was like 60 something The next day, you were 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.719 in, like, the 40s, and you could see your breath. 00:42:04.820 --> 00:42:08.199 And it was like, holy fuck. I think when we were 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.300 on Drummond, that's all you slept with, Mark, 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.320 right? Was that zip -up sheet? Yep, zip -up sheet, 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.139 and then we had the rainfall, because we knew 00:42:15.139 --> 00:42:18.099 that rain was going to hit, so. Even then, it 00:42:18.099 --> 00:42:21.559 wasn't that, it didn't drop too bad. Yeah, like, 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.500 our setup time and stuff wasn't crazy. Like, 00:42:24.500 --> 00:42:26.860 it wasn't anything too bad, but it was just like, 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.880 even then. People were still in their rooftop 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.320 tents were still set up quicker than us. Yeah. 00:42:32.380 --> 00:42:34.599 Just because, like, we had, I think it's the 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.880 kid, to be honest. Yeah. Like, a lot of it, it 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:41.099 goes down to, like, one person setting up, one 00:42:41.099 --> 00:42:42.960 person kind of watching the kid, and that extends 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.480 our time. Right. So, like, that's part of it, 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.699 too. Like, I just have to, like, get used to 00:42:48.699 --> 00:42:50.780 that. But, like, Ed and Rebecca, they had their 00:42:50.780 --> 00:42:53.219 kid. Dude, they were set up way before us. It 00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:57.230 was like. Were they set up or were they at the 00:42:57.230 --> 00:42:59.469 halfway set up point? Because they have to inflate 00:42:59.469 --> 00:43:03.150 a mattress. Oh, they were set up. Jesus, it takes 00:43:03.150 --> 00:43:07.530 you way too long to get set up. I don't know. 00:43:07.570 --> 00:43:10.429 I don't think it does. We were under 30 minutes, 00:43:10.630 --> 00:43:13.610 but it doesn't take them long either. They pop 00:43:13.610 --> 00:43:15.489 it up, they turn the mattress on, and they get 00:43:15.489 --> 00:43:19.070 out. That's it. That's still not set up. They 00:43:19.070 --> 00:43:21.849 still got to put their bedding in. Their bedding's 00:43:21.849 --> 00:43:24.329 in there. No, their bedding can't fit in their 00:43:24.329 --> 00:43:30.170 tent. They add their bedding there. I was pretty 00:43:30.170 --> 00:43:31.750 sure I was just talking to them. They said they 00:43:31.750 --> 00:43:35.769 had it in there. Remember when I made that comment 00:43:35.769 --> 00:43:38.329 about rooftop tents not having, most people aren't 00:43:38.329 --> 00:43:41.269 putting their bedding in anyway? It was specifically 00:43:41.269 --> 00:43:44.050 Ed and Rebecca I was talking about. Because the 00:43:44.050 --> 00:43:45.769 way their tent folds up, they can't put their 00:43:45.769 --> 00:43:49.440 bedding in it. Huh. Because I thought they said 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.860 they had their stuff in there. Because I didn't 00:43:51.860 --> 00:43:54.059 watch them throw anything in there. Yeah, no, 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:55.739 they always have to throw their sleeping bag 00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:57.199 in there. I think they changed their mattress, 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.719 though, so that might have been why. Maybe. Yeah. 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:06.659 I know it was just way quicker. Like, they were 00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:08.739 done and already set up. They were getting stuff 00:44:08.739 --> 00:44:12.820 out for food, and I was like, sound beach. But, 00:44:12.940 --> 00:44:15.340 you know, the every night part, maybe they downsized 00:44:15.340 --> 00:44:18.699 a little bit. Could be, yeah. there were a couple 00:44:18.699 --> 00:44:20.219 nights where i didn't grab everything out either 00:44:20.219 --> 00:44:22.179 like i didn't set the table up till we stayed 00:44:22.179 --> 00:44:25.380 at high rock bay which was we stayed there that 00:44:25.380 --> 00:44:30.219 whole day uh monday yeah whole day monday so 00:44:30.219 --> 00:44:33.480 then i ended up setting that up but uh otherwise 00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.760 the table stayed in the back of the truck if 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.260 we needed to the table for anything i didn't 00:44:38.260 --> 00:44:41.119 i just used the fridge which was perfect the 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.659 fold down table in the back of the truck or we 00:44:43.659 --> 00:44:45.719 just ate with our plates on our laps of the camp 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.679 chairs it was nice yeah i i mean when i'm doing 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.480 that style of trip i'd prefer not to get anything 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.559 out of the truck like yeah the least is possible 00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:58.440 yep like you try to minimize try to minimize 00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.780 it and then you know after i'm done cooking and 00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:02.280 stuff i clean everything and put it right back 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.579 in yep that way in the morning all i have to 00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:07.480 do is pretty much pack the tent and the bedding 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.260 up so the bedding is rolling that up rolling 00:45:12.260 --> 00:45:15.730 up the air mattresses getting those put in the 00:45:15.730 --> 00:45:20.570 seat that was more of a pain but it was just 00:45:20.570 --> 00:45:23.010 like i kept looking at it i'm just like this 00:45:23.010 --> 00:45:24.949 would be so much quicker like it's like you've 00:45:24.949 --> 00:45:27.510 been reminded like i'm like so much quicker if 00:45:27.510 --> 00:45:30.710 i just able to put this in in the fucking tent 00:45:30.710 --> 00:45:34.610 and just fold it up and go just kept being reminded 00:45:34.610 --> 00:45:38.030 of that everybody um how fucking derrick just 00:45:38.030 --> 00:45:42.940 won a fridge too like He just won an Ice Co. 00:45:43.139 --> 00:45:46.940 $1 ,000 fridge on a giveaway. He's been getting 00:45:46.940 --> 00:45:49.280 lucky with those giveaways lately. I started 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.460 doing them too. It's because he sits there, doesn't 00:45:52.460 --> 00:45:54.739 really do anything for work. He just sits on 00:45:54.739 --> 00:45:58.059 Instagram commenting our name into the fucking 00:45:58.059 --> 00:46:03.460 thing over and over. I probably get 30 -ish messages 00:46:03.460 --> 00:46:07.119 a day from Derek about giveaways, dude. It works. 00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:11.179 What can I say, dude? That fridge. I think it's 00:46:11.179 --> 00:46:14.199 the, it's the ice co APL 55 or something. It's 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.679 a 55 liter fridge. It's a thousand dollar fridge. 00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:23.400 Like mother fucker. Nice fridge. So he's won 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:25.199 a couple of things. Like you won those nacho 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.480 lights. Those things are like fucking expensive 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:35.019 and he's power station. Like, you know what? 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.880 If I can't beat them, join them. If it gets me 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.519 a... I was looking for rooftop tent giveaways 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.900 to enter in. I was like, I'm going to get one 00:46:44.900 --> 00:46:48.480 of those. Every one of those. Oh, and otherwise, 00:46:48.619 --> 00:46:52.000 for anybody into the rooftop tent world like 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.380 I am, RoofNest rebranded and their tents are 00:46:54.380 --> 00:46:59.800 fucking beautiful looking. They did? Yeah. They're 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.179 all black and have a gold RF on them now. But 00:47:04.179 --> 00:47:06.940 they used to be, like, black and orange. Yeah. 00:47:07.420 --> 00:47:10.199 I thought more gray than black. Yeah, and they 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.179 looked very similar to some of the cheap, like, 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.199 Temu tent kind of things. So they rebranded their 00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.500 tents, I think, because of that. They looked 00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:21.340 a lot like the Roof Sparrows or whatever the 00:47:21.340 --> 00:47:25.119 other off -brand Roof Nest ones are. So now they 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.519 look pretty sick. Sparrows were the name of some 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.820 of them. Oh, yeah, you're right. The models. 00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:33.179 Yeah, you're right. Sparrow was one of them. 00:47:34.149 --> 00:47:37.389 I can't remember the name, but yeah, their rebrand 00:47:37.389 --> 00:47:40.849 is pretty cool. Yeah, I see that. They make it 00:47:40.849 --> 00:47:44.969 look a lot fancier now, man. You know, I never 00:47:44.969 --> 00:47:47.329 got an email back from 23 -0. What the heck? 00:47:50.449 --> 00:47:55.409 Did we ever get anything back from that brand 00:47:55.409 --> 00:47:57.630 we were talking about? The Michigan brand for 00:47:57.630 --> 00:47:59.929 the kinetic? Not the kinetic rope, but our winch 00:47:59.929 --> 00:48:04.150 ropes? No, I never heard back from them. You're 00:48:04.150 --> 00:48:08.590 talking about Crawler Off -Road, I think. Crawler 00:48:08.590 --> 00:48:10.610 Off -Road, yeah. I just saw a post from them, 00:48:10.650 --> 00:48:12.070 too, and it reminded me earlier. I was like, 00:48:12.070 --> 00:48:13.469 I don't know if I've ever heard anything back 00:48:13.469 --> 00:48:19.530 from them. Yeah, I never heard from them. We'll 00:48:19.530 --> 00:48:23.789 have to get back. But, yeah, I'm glad your trip 00:48:23.789 --> 00:48:26.489 went well, man. Keweenaw's probably one of my 00:48:26.489 --> 00:48:29.150 favorite places in Michigan. Also, holy crap, 00:48:29.230 --> 00:48:33.889 my eyes are really blue today. I'll take your 00:48:33.889 --> 00:48:37.789 word on that. I was definitely patting down Barry, 00:48:38.010 --> 00:48:39.789 because I always pat him on the top of the steering 00:48:39.789 --> 00:48:41.929 wheel. I'm like, good job, buddy. Thanks for 00:48:41.929 --> 00:48:46.849 not leaving us stranded. As I'm looking at our 00:48:46.849 --> 00:48:50.590 1 ,300 -mile mark, as we're pulling in, I'm like, 00:48:50.690 --> 00:48:53.210 thanks, buddy. Thanks for doing that for us. 00:48:54.409 --> 00:48:56.789 You didn't have to. I might be abusing you a 00:48:56.789 --> 00:48:58.769 bit by not keeping up on your maintenance like 00:48:58.769 --> 00:49:02.559 I should. Thanks for not fighting me with it 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:03.900 and, like, leaving me out in the middle of the 00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:08.599 road or somewhere. Oh, Jesus. What? I also see 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:10.719 they jacked their prices, too. Oh, they sure 00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.219 did. It's worth it, man. The rebrand. It's beautiful. 00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:19.579 Oh, my God. $4 ,000? What company was that? Roof 00:49:19.579 --> 00:49:22.420 Nest. Yeah, but a lot of these companies, like 00:49:22.420 --> 00:49:25.840 Roof Nest, even that 4x4 Colorado one that I 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:27.719 look at, because one of their tents on Roof Nest 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.329 looks pretty similar. Okay, so they still have 00:49:31.329 --> 00:49:33.389 some of the old models, which is like $1 ,000. 00:49:34.369 --> 00:49:39.670 The Metal Lurk. Yeah. But all their new ones 00:49:39.670 --> 00:49:43.670 are like over $3 ,000. But they give like $1 00:49:43.670 --> 00:49:46.349 ,000 off discounts at times, so it's kind of 00:49:46.349 --> 00:49:48.789 nice. Brings them back to like an actual normal 00:49:48.789 --> 00:49:53.469 price. Like my tent right now that I'm looking 00:49:53.469 --> 00:49:58.900 at, it's like $4 ,000. But they did a little 00:49:58.900 --> 00:50:01.539 over $1 ,000 off of it, so it brings it back 00:50:01.539 --> 00:50:06.860 down to $3 ,000. Jesus Christ. I thought the 00:50:06.860 --> 00:50:09.760 $600 I spent on my swag was a lot of money for 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.260 a tent. I couldn't imagine spending that much 00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:15.119 on a tent. I mean, it's a good amount for a ground 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.380 tent, for sure. Yeah. I mean, it's, but you got 00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:21.579 a lot of good, like, you got good quality out 00:50:21.579 --> 00:50:23.860 of it. Like, it's a good tent. Yeah, it's a great 00:50:23.860 --> 00:50:27.900 tent. It'll last you for years. I just, I couldn't 00:50:27.900 --> 00:50:30.000 imagine spending that kind of money on a tent. 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:32.579 Even a, you know, even a rooftop tent. That just, 00:50:32.699 --> 00:50:36.139 it blows my mind how much this crap costs. I 00:50:36.139 --> 00:50:38.179 couldn't imagine doing it for, like, one weekend 00:50:38.179 --> 00:50:41.000 of the summer. Right. Like, you have to have 00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.500 some disposable income for that. But, like, if 00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:45.300 you're trying to get out every weekend and you're 00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:47.360 trying to do it as much as you possibly can, 00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.300 maybe even bring it into winter camping, like, 00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:53.219 that's where I can see it. And there's value 00:50:53.219 --> 00:50:57.860 in storage, too, for me. So, like, and a lot, 00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.980 like, that roof nest, I can't remember if that 00:50:59.980 --> 00:51:02.179 was the one that they upgraded their material 00:51:02.179 --> 00:51:06.739 to, to, like, ripstop, Oxford, canvas, or whatever. 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:11.269 Hey, that's what mine is. Yeah. They're bringing 00:51:11.269 --> 00:51:13.309 up the quality of some of these tents. Some of 00:51:13.309 --> 00:51:16.090 these brands are getting better about it, so 00:51:16.090 --> 00:51:20.070 making sure they last longer. I just couldn't 00:51:20.070 --> 00:51:23.130 imagine losing storage like that just for a tent 00:51:23.130 --> 00:51:25.250 because you could throw any tent on the ground. 00:51:25.630 --> 00:51:29.289 I don't know. It's just hard for me. Yeah. It's 00:51:29.289 --> 00:51:31.550 a hard sell. Bigger thing, too. Bigger thing 00:51:31.550 --> 00:51:35.010 for us, though, is that $4 ,000 to a tent on 00:51:35.010 --> 00:51:37.349 a roof can go to the suspension upgrades. Hell 00:51:37.349 --> 00:51:40.519 yeah. Yeah, and for your guys' type of wheeling, 00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:43.760 that makes a ton of sense, yeah. And, like, for 00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:48.380 me, like, the amount of spots that we went to 00:51:48.380 --> 00:51:52.280 this weekend, I would say out of, like, the four 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:55.460 or five spots that we went to, three or four 00:51:55.460 --> 00:51:59.880 of them were super uneven to where tent campers 00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:01.719 were the ones having hard times finding spots. 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:05.019 And everybody in a rooftop were like, oh, yeah, 00:52:05.059 --> 00:52:09.119 we'll just go here. No big deal. Really, as long 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:12.159 as you have a decent enough tent with a decent 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:16.179 enough pad. Even ground, meh. Rocks don't really 00:52:16.179 --> 00:52:19.679 matter. I don't know. I don't know. The rocks 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.579 were large, but yes, I agree. I mean, when we 00:52:23.579 --> 00:52:26.579 were in Kentucky, dude, I was sitting on three 00:52:26.579 --> 00:52:29.360 to four inch boulders, like big brown rocks. 00:52:29.900 --> 00:52:32.340 That's what I had my tent set up on. I would 00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:34.739 definitely not choose to do that unless I had 00:52:34.739 --> 00:52:38.039 to, but I understand. you just couldn't feel 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.159 it. The pad is good enough that you don't feel 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:46.159 it. That's what I'm saying. If you have the right 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:49.500 ground tent, rooftop tent's a hard sell for me. 00:52:49.539 --> 00:52:53.199 It's a lot of freaking money. I don't know. I 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:58.739 look at it as it's just money. It enhances my 00:52:58.739 --> 00:53:01.860 quality of living when I'm out there. I was listening 00:53:01.860 --> 00:53:07.010 to... outskirts overland earlier and he was talking 00:53:07.010 --> 00:53:09.590 about building a new mattress for his tent his 00:53:09.590 --> 00:53:11.969 uh rooftop or yeah whatever you want to call 00:53:11.969 --> 00:53:14.690 it whatever his on the off the ground tent is 00:53:14.690 --> 00:53:18.909 and uh i kind of want to take that i think i'm 00:53:18.909 --> 00:53:21.190 going to build the pad up in the swag a little 00:53:21.190 --> 00:53:24.909 bit not because i need to but because it'd be 00:53:24.909 --> 00:53:26.909 kind of nice to have just that little bit extra 00:53:26.909 --> 00:53:31.070 cushion yeah yeah i will say that my sleeping 00:53:31.070 --> 00:53:34.530 pads have done We did camp on some uneven ground 00:53:34.530 --> 00:53:36.829 and stuff, and we made it work and everything. 00:53:36.969 --> 00:53:40.610 The pads this weekend are my favorite pads that 00:53:40.610 --> 00:53:45.170 I've ever, ever used. The amount of comfort we 00:53:45.170 --> 00:53:48.489 get off of a pad that's like two to three inches 00:53:48.489 --> 00:53:53.210 is crazy. And I deflate mine a little bit so 00:53:53.210 --> 00:53:55.809 that I can roll, sit on my side and stuff and 00:53:55.809 --> 00:53:59.949 still be comfortable. Crazy what a good sleeping 00:53:59.949 --> 00:54:03.269 setup can do for you. Yeah. Not only at night, 00:54:03.309 --> 00:54:05.429 but the next day because you're recharged from 00:54:05.429 --> 00:54:08.030 it. I know. When you get shitty sleep, it makes 00:54:08.030 --> 00:54:10.329 everything shittier the next day. Going from 00:54:10.329 --> 00:54:13.489 inflatable pads to the three -inch high -density 00:54:13.489 --> 00:54:18.230 foam, it's hard when I have to sleep on my inflatable 00:54:18.230 --> 00:54:22.349 pad again. I was more comfortable on my pad than 00:54:22.349 --> 00:54:25.110 I was my bed when I got home last night. No, 00:54:25.150 --> 00:54:29.550 it just... Fuck, dude. And my pad is inflatable, 00:54:29.710 --> 00:54:33.809 but I think that, I don't know, I just really 00:54:33.809 --> 00:54:37.250 like that style of sleep that I get from it. 00:54:38.050 --> 00:54:41.869 And it does depend on how you sleep and what 00:54:41.869 --> 00:54:44.070 your preference is, too, as far as do you like 00:54:44.070 --> 00:54:49.650 firmer or softer. I like firmer. And I like a 00:54:49.650 --> 00:54:52.789 little bit of soft on it. I let the air out of 00:54:52.789 --> 00:54:56.409 mine so that I can have a little bit of give. 00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.360 So, like, if I sit on my pad, if I just sit on 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.579 it, my butt will touch the ground. When I lay 00:55:04.579 --> 00:55:07.820 down, everything gets distributed evenly and 00:55:07.820 --> 00:55:11.480 nothing touches. So that's kind of how I like 00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:15.000 it. So it worked really well for us. I slept 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:18.119 like a freaking baby every night. Like, quality 00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.159 of sleep was just so much better. It's probably 00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:26.389 the fresh air. Yeah, especially. It was at this 00:55:26.389 --> 00:55:29.809 point that my computer decided that it needed 00:55:29.809 --> 00:55:34.829 to crash and have the GPU ramp up to 100%. And 00:55:34.829 --> 00:55:37.630 I could talk to the guys, but apparently Audacity 00:55:37.630 --> 00:55:40.269 wasn't still recording. I ended up having to 00:55:40.269 --> 00:55:43.309 reboot and I lost everything beyond this point. 00:55:44.250 --> 00:55:46.150 But I mean, it doesn't go that much farther. 00:55:46.269 --> 00:55:49.510 So sorry about that. And I'm working on figuring 00:55:49.510 --> 00:55:51.929 out why it does that. But we're getting there. 00:55:52.510 --> 00:55:56.670 So I hope y 'all have a good one and I'll catch 00:55:56.670 --> 00:55:58.590 you later. The guys will tell you that in a little 00:55:58.590 --> 00:56:01.150 bit after you hear them rambling, but catch you 00:56:01.150 --> 00:56:11.030 guys later. It's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the, 00:56:11.050 --> 00:56:13.909 the air quality, when you get up to the UP, you 00:56:13.909 --> 00:56:18.050 can smell the difference almost. I hear a lot 00:56:18.050 --> 00:56:20.909 of noises. Yeah. I hear a lot of background noises 00:56:20.909 --> 00:56:29.559 all suddenly. Well, you're still there. Yeah. 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:47.239 Yeah. Yeah, I hear a lot of background noise. 00:56:47.300 --> 00:57:07.409 I'm assuming it's coming from you. Later.