WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:18.350 Chord 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Welcome to Botches 00:00:18.350 --> 00:00:20.429 Off -Road. Join us as we talk about everything 00:00:20.429 --> 00:00:22.949 from gear reviews to trail stories, tent camping 00:00:22.949 --> 00:00:25.289 to rock landing, and all things to do with the 00:00:25.289 --> 00:00:28.010 outdoors. Today is going to be more of a trail 00:00:28.010 --> 00:00:32.710 stories kind of episode, I guess. Me and Mark 00:00:32.710 --> 00:00:35.130 went up to Drummond Island for our buddy John's 00:00:35.130 --> 00:00:38.109 bachelor party, which, if you don't have friends 00:00:38.109 --> 00:00:40.250 that want to go wheeling for their bachelor party, 00:00:40.369 --> 00:00:43.969 you've got the wrong friends. So, just let that 00:00:43.969 --> 00:00:49.859 one simmer a little bit. So we loaded up the 00:00:49.859 --> 00:00:54.640 trucks pretty much the week before. Got the swag 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.719 on the roof and the canopy and the bathroom. 00:00:57.859 --> 00:00:59.380 Because I bought a bathroom, guys. It's great. 00:01:00.579 --> 00:01:05.879 Yeah, so we had all that loaded up. Had all the 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:07.920 packouts in the back of the two trucks. We didn't 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:11.799 bring the trailer, which was a mistake. But we 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.159 didn't bring the trailer this time. No, it was 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.780 a mistake. No. One thing we should have packed, 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:22.280 we didn't pack. Where would we have put it? Put 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:25.659 it in my truck. You were pretty much out of space, 00:01:25.780 --> 00:01:28.019 man. No, I wasn't. I had space in the back seat. 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:32.579 Your back seat was pretty full, too. Yeah, after 00:01:32.579 --> 00:01:34.700 everyone threw dirty clothes and bought stuff 00:01:34.700 --> 00:01:39.019 that wasn't meant to be bought. Your back seat 00:01:39.019 --> 00:01:43.379 was pretty full. Going up, all I had was the 00:01:43.379 --> 00:01:45.420 top of the kitchen and the half pack that had 00:01:45.420 --> 00:01:50.200 our clothes in it. Well, either way, we should 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:51.739 have brought the trailer because it would have 00:01:51.739 --> 00:01:55.579 freed up at least two more locations for stuff 00:01:55.579 --> 00:01:59.540 to go. Pack out stuff. Like what? Whether Mark 00:01:59.540 --> 00:02:01.299 agrees or not, we really should have brought 00:02:01.299 --> 00:02:04.439 the trailer. We just needed the one item that 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.540 you said we didn't need. Okay, you're right. 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:09.479 We needed the one item, and the most efficient 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:12.439 way to haul the one item was the trailer. Mark 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:16.479 is wrong if he disagrees with me. The packout 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.099 goes and would have gone underneath the kitchen 00:02:18.099 --> 00:02:21.699 and would have been sat in the backseat. I don't 00:02:21.699 --> 00:02:25.479 think they would have fit. Welder. Oh, yeah, 00:02:25.580 --> 00:02:29.500 okay. Well, why did you need a welder? We're 00:02:29.500 --> 00:02:34.289 not there yet. Ooh. This is precursor. Whether 00:02:34.289 --> 00:02:36.590 Mark agrees with me or not, he's wrong. We should 00:02:36.590 --> 00:02:38.270 have brought the trailer. It would have been 00:02:38.270 --> 00:02:40.610 less work on my truck. It would have freed up 00:02:40.610 --> 00:02:44.270 open spots for packout stuff. And just overall. 00:02:44.569 --> 00:02:47.889 Cost more to get across the bridge. By like $2. 00:02:48.389 --> 00:02:51.250 It would probably cost more on the ferry. By 00:02:51.250 --> 00:02:54.629 $2. It would have been worth it. It would have 00:02:54.629 --> 00:02:57.270 been just extra maintenance and stuff just in 00:02:57.270 --> 00:02:59.930 case something happened to that. Nothing would 00:02:59.930 --> 00:03:01.449 have happened to that. I'm just fucking around 00:03:01.449 --> 00:03:05.639 now. Yeah, no, he's wrong. Can we fit all the 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:09.960 pack outs? Eh, not really. But, and Mark's truck 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.199 was full, whether he agrees with me or not. I 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:13.759 should have taken a picture when they got here 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:15.560 because it looked like a flat table across the 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:19.080 back. Well, the back was, yeah, but I was saying 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.900 the back seat was. I'm talking about the back 00:03:21.900 --> 00:03:23.680 seat. You had so much stuff shoved in there. 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.379 Always more room, man. Okay, if you count my 00:03:27.379 --> 00:03:31.530 brother's pointless. dive equipment that he did 00:03:31.530 --> 00:03:35.229 not need to bring i stand by what i said because 00:03:35.229 --> 00:03:38.210 he was with you and that took up space i always 00:03:38.210 --> 00:03:40.409 wish i carried my dive equipment and i never 00:03:40.409 --> 00:03:43.169 remember to take it and so better to bring it 00:03:43.169 --> 00:03:48.210 yeah so yeah so we brought the uh we got up there 00:03:48.210 --> 00:03:52.770 got up there fine um i mean very uneventful the 00:03:52.770 --> 00:03:55.150 bridge was beautiful uh when we went across it 00:03:55.150 --> 00:03:58.349 the first time feels weird driving up there not 00:03:58.349 --> 00:04:01.689 in the dark this time right no rain it wasn't 00:04:01.689 --> 00:04:03.830 dark like it was just it was a beautiful drive 00:04:03.830 --> 00:04:08.270 um got on the ferry got to camp we got it to 00:04:08.270 --> 00:04:12.909 camp at like what like seven yeah and we had 00:04:12.909 --> 00:04:16.389 all of camp set up and we were sitting by the 00:04:16.389 --> 00:04:18.970 fire like the fire was started and then i looked 00:04:18.970 --> 00:04:20.750 at my watch i'm like oh guys we got here only 00:04:20.750 --> 00:04:24.850 45 minutes ago like it was flawless four tents 00:04:24.850 --> 00:04:29.379 four tents a canopy and a bathroom And the truck's 00:04:29.379 --> 00:04:32.560 unloaded in 45 minutes. Yep, that's good setup 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:40.939 time. So then we got drunk Friday night. We were 00:04:40.939 --> 00:04:43.120 going to go wheeling to Marblehead and then started 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.480 drinking, so that kind of went out the window 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.000 pretty quick. We had soju. I don't know if anyone 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:53.860 knows what soju is. It's a Korean liquor that 00:04:53.860 --> 00:04:57.439 has... literally no flavor so you can mix it 00:04:57.439 --> 00:04:59.800 with anything you want whatever you mix it with 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:05.079 that's what it tastes like um we did uh hawaiian 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:07.879 fruit punch the green hawaiian fruit punch we 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:10.620 bought a gallon of that and we put almost a fifth 00:05:10.620 --> 00:05:17.180 of um soju in a gallon of hawaiian fruit punch 00:05:17.180 --> 00:05:21.100 like it was a lot of soju for what we had yeah 00:05:21.100 --> 00:05:25.269 oh john put some in his peaches so soju peaches 00:05:25.269 --> 00:05:28.189 are really good pears yeah pears you're right 00:05:28.189 --> 00:05:35.370 soju pears are very good um so yeah we we got 00:05:35.370 --> 00:05:38.730 pretty drunk on friday and then as we're getting 00:05:38.730 --> 00:05:41.189 ready to go to bed some yahoos down the trail 00:05:41.189 --> 00:05:43.810 started setting off fucking fireworks dude like 00:05:44.939 --> 00:05:48.019 At random times of the night, too. Until like 00:05:48.019 --> 00:05:50.519 three in the morning. Like, it was nonstop fireworks 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:54.160 going off. And one side of me wants to be mad 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:55.800 because that's not what I went out there to hear, 00:05:55.899 --> 00:06:00.199 right? But at the same time, they were out in 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:01.779 the middle of nowhere. We were the only other 00:06:01.779 --> 00:06:04.680 people around. Yeah. They did their due diligence 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.399 to get out and away from people to do, you know, 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.620 be rowdy. So I really can't be mad at them for 00:06:10.620 --> 00:06:17.069 being rowdy. It just sucked for us. Yeah. So 00:06:17.069 --> 00:06:21.850 then we, uh, yeah, we went to sleep at like three 00:06:21.850 --> 00:06:23.430 in the morning. We got up pretty early. It was 00:06:23.430 --> 00:06:28.810 like eight, um, made some breakfast. We went 00:06:28.810 --> 00:06:34.069 to Marblehead first, right? Yes. So then we headed 00:06:34.069 --> 00:06:36.990 out to Marblehead and let me tell you like the 00:06:36.990 --> 00:06:40.649 trail itself, even with what the bulldozing and 00:06:40.649 --> 00:06:43.759 exploding that they did to it. It's fine. You 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.420 know, it's not as challenging as it used to be, 00:06:46.459 --> 00:06:49.759 but it's still fine. It's fun. The problem is 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.800 not there anymore at all. Pretty much. They are. 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.139 So you've got, I'm talking about going. Oh yeah. 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:01.500 Yeah. They're pretty much all destroyed. Yeah. 00:07:01.579 --> 00:07:03.920 But all that's fine. You could forget about that. 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:07.240 The problem was the big piles of rubble on either 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:10.339 side of the trail all the way down. Yeah. Like 00:07:10.339 --> 00:07:13.120 they did. No effort to make it look good. No 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:15.759 effort to take the rocks out. They just put big 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:21.060 piles of rubble everywhere. That ruins the look 00:07:21.060 --> 00:07:23.740 of the Marblehead Trail. Yeah, nothing snaps 00:07:23.740 --> 00:07:26.100 you out of that experience like seeing piles 00:07:26.100 --> 00:07:28.740 of rubble from what they destroyed. Exactly. 00:07:29.180 --> 00:07:32.180 Then you get out to the actual steps at Marblehead. 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:37.800 The whole right line, the middle line, if you 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:42.000 will, fucking gone. So your options are Prius 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:48.939 level hard, stock XJ level hard, and basically 00:07:48.939 --> 00:07:52.860 impossible if you don't have 40s. Yeah. There's 00:07:52.860 --> 00:07:59.779 no in between. No. And, of course, big piles 00:07:59.779 --> 00:08:02.379 of rubble all the way around it. It looked, oh, 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:06.250 God, does it look terrible. Yes. And that's really 00:08:06.250 --> 00:08:09.569 it. I don't care that they blew up the obstacles, 00:08:10.490 --> 00:08:13.209 really. My issue is that they just piled the 00:08:13.209 --> 00:08:21.149 rubble everywhere and made it look bad. Why not 00:08:21.149 --> 00:08:24.089 take that and move it into some of the places 00:08:24.089 --> 00:08:28.509 that tend to flood really often? I mean, if you 00:08:28.509 --> 00:08:31.149 have high water areas that tend to swallow things 00:08:31.149 --> 00:08:34.799 quite a bit, you have a lot of rock. Yeah, no. 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.779 They bought gravel for that and then graded it 00:08:37.779 --> 00:08:41.120 all. Anywhere that's deep water, they're grading 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:42.860 it, draining it, and filling it with gravel. 00:08:43.940 --> 00:08:45.980 They're ruining Drummond Island. That's all there 00:08:45.980 --> 00:08:52.200 is to it. Oh, 100%. Yeah, so. What is there to 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.659 see other than the trails? I mean, is there any 00:08:55.659 --> 00:08:59.500 other kind of tourist type thing? Oh, yeah. Drummond 00:08:59.500 --> 00:09:03.139 Island is absolutely beautiful. you've got uh 00:09:03.139 --> 00:09:07.080 fossil ledge you've got shale beach you've got 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.059 like it is a beautiful place so but they're basically 00:09:11.059 --> 00:09:14.220 just trying to take the wheeling aspect of it 00:09:14.220 --> 00:09:16.100 the hard wheeling aspect out of it and make it 00:09:16.100 --> 00:09:20.620 a tourist like yeah yeah yeah pretty much yeah 00:09:20.620 --> 00:09:25.940 um so yeah we we played around a marblehead for 00:09:25.940 --> 00:09:28.379 a little while uh me and mark both made it up 00:09:29.289 --> 00:09:32.289 I made it. Did you go down that line or no? Did 00:09:32.289 --> 00:09:35.850 you just go up it? I just went up. Okay. I saw 00:09:35.850 --> 00:09:38.370 a joke video about going up that, down that same 00:09:38.370 --> 00:09:44.549 line. Yeah. So we, uh, we played on there a little 00:09:44.549 --> 00:09:49.070 bit and then did we go back to, no, we went to 00:09:49.070 --> 00:09:51.610 the store after that. We went to the store. Yep. 00:09:52.009 --> 00:09:54.809 But we took Connor's whole route to the store. 00:09:55.690 --> 00:10:01.360 Yes. No, we did Conner's Hole later when we were 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.159 headed out to go to Fossil Ledge. So we went 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.039 down to the little country store because we were 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:11.139 pretty much out of Mountain Dew. And I think 00:10:11.139 --> 00:10:12.740 that was all we really needed. And we wanted 00:10:12.740 --> 00:10:17.259 to get lunch there. Yeah. So we got some pasties 00:10:17.259 --> 00:10:22.919 and we got some Coke and Sprite because that's 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:24.460 all they had. And they only had it in singles. 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.299 They didn't have 12 packs. The only 12 -pack 00:10:27.299 --> 00:10:30.299 they had was diet and then diet caffeine -free. 00:10:30.740 --> 00:10:34.159 Yeah. And then they had Dr. Pepper Blackberry 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:36.460 in a 12 -pack. Oh, I forgot about those. Yeah, 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:40.360 they had two of those. That shit is amazing. 00:10:41.899 --> 00:10:45.740 Dr. Pepper Blackberry is so good. So good. I 00:10:45.740 --> 00:10:51.279 was sick of cherry. Wait. Before you guys continue, 00:10:51.740 --> 00:10:57.259 do you guys, how do you, you say pasties? Not 00:10:57.259 --> 00:11:01.179 pasties? Pasties or pasties. Or not pasties. 00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:06.960 They're not pasties. No? No, not pasties. Hmm. 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:09.600 Never heard them say pasties before. I've always 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.320 called them pasties. That's what my family's 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:15.120 always called them. No, they're pasties or pasties, 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:18.659 but not pasties. Have you, like, do you know, 00:11:18.659 --> 00:11:20.879 like, the... Pasties sounds like a pastry. Well, 00:11:20.980 --> 00:11:22.779 pasties are also what you put over your nipples. 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:27.320 That's why they're not pasties. Did you guys 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:31.220 hear the history about where they came from and 00:11:31.220 --> 00:11:35.659 why they were such a thing? Yeah. I heard a little 00:11:35.659 --> 00:11:38.580 bit about it when I went to the... What is that 00:11:38.580 --> 00:11:43.179 one place up in the UP? Muldoon's. Muldoon's 00:11:43.179 --> 00:11:47.570 is one of the famous pasty places. Yeah. And 00:11:47.570 --> 00:11:50.590 they were talking about how like miners would 00:11:50.590 --> 00:11:53.029 hold the rind part of it and eat everything up 00:11:53.029 --> 00:11:55.710 to the rind and then throw the rind away to the 00:11:55.710 --> 00:11:58.950 mine ghost and goblins. But it was also like 00:11:58.950 --> 00:12:01.789 a safety thing to get like arsenic because they 00:12:01.789 --> 00:12:04.269 were working in all that coal and shit like that. 00:12:04.389 --> 00:12:07.110 So they had arsenic all over their hands. So 00:12:07.110 --> 00:12:09.009 instead of ingesting it, they would throw away 00:12:09.009 --> 00:12:11.450 that crust part that they would hold on to. I 00:12:11.450 --> 00:12:14.809 thought that was really, really cool. My stepdad's 00:12:14.809 --> 00:12:18.279 family were miners up there. So we've been eating 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:20.179 pasties since they got married, which is like 00:12:20.179 --> 00:12:23.679 2008. Well, I had them before that, but like 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:26.139 after that, every family get together. That was 00:12:26.139 --> 00:12:29.480 our dinner. They're really good. Yeah. And his 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:32.019 mom would like go on about all the history and 00:12:32.019 --> 00:12:34.700 why it's such an important food to know about 00:12:34.700 --> 00:12:37.460 and how that's what her mom always made for her 00:12:37.460 --> 00:12:40.179 dad before he went into the mines. And that's 00:12:40.179 --> 00:12:44.500 so cool. We had it with like beef gravy and dude. 00:12:44.620 --> 00:12:48.879 Yeah. So. It's good with gravy, and it depends. 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:52.240 So if they use fresh rutabaga, it's better without 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:55.360 gravy. If they use frozen rutabaga, it's better 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:58.120 with gravy. I don't know what Muldoon's does. 00:12:58.500 --> 00:13:00.960 That was the only place. It was just on the list. 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:02.379 We were like, we have to stop here. Everybody 00:13:02.379 --> 00:13:05.879 says. And they had, like, chicken or beef gravy, 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.879 and we were like, definitely beef. And, yeah, 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.259 they were always beef before. Like, you know, 00:13:12.259 --> 00:13:14.000 historically, they were always beef. But chicken 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:17.129 ones are good, too. Yeah. Oh, they're delicious. 00:13:17.669 --> 00:13:20.970 Yeah, it's great food, dude. Actually, in Tucson, 00:13:21.309 --> 00:13:25.789 there is a restaurant. It's like a little pop 00:13:25.789 --> 00:13:29.490 -up restaurant, and it's pasties, and it's from 00:13:29.490 --> 00:13:32.769 a couple that moved down there from Grand Rapids. 00:13:32.850 --> 00:13:39.070 It was just so wild, dude. Middle of Tucson, 00:13:39.409 --> 00:13:41.629 Arizona, and there's just this random pasty. 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.539 restaurant it had like a bar a pasty bar where 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:48.080 you went and sat at the bar and then they brought 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:51.179 you food to it and it was open air it was really 00:13:51.179 --> 00:13:54.940 cool um one of those foods that when you go into 00:13:54.940 --> 00:13:56.899 the up it's like you have to get it yeah it's 00:13:56.899 --> 00:14:01.279 like that but here here we can go get a pasty 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.480 for like 10 bucks like jeans has them for like 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.659 six bucks always and they're fantastic i never 00:14:06.659 --> 00:14:11.399 knew yeah no dude um but down there it was like 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.379 35 the pasty and they were smaller than what 00:14:14.379 --> 00:14:17.740 we're used to here like they were profiting off 00:14:17.740 --> 00:14:21.519 this shit sounds like we have a have a job to 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:24.539 do no it's like it's like one of the two top 00:14:24.539 --> 00:14:26.480 like food items you get when you're in the up 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:29.139 one's like for sure and fudge yeah the other 00:14:29.139 --> 00:14:31.559 one's no i don't like for me it's island fudge 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:34.149 but For me, it's the other way around. Pasties 00:14:34.149 --> 00:14:36.669 and then Mackinac Island fudge. Okay, I'm sorry. 00:14:36.730 --> 00:14:38.769 There's three main things that you're supposed 00:14:38.769 --> 00:14:41.490 to get if you ever visit the UP. This is Mackinac 00:14:41.490 --> 00:14:44.809 Island fudge. You're supposed to get it. Pasties 00:14:44.809 --> 00:14:48.350 and then stop at one of the smoked fish places. 00:14:48.350 --> 00:14:51.590 Oh, yes. For sure. Oh, God, dude. It's so good. 00:14:51.610 --> 00:14:54.649 And if you're visiting either Detroit or Grand 00:14:54.649 --> 00:14:59.509 Rapids, you get Coney dogs. Yeah, true. I haven't 00:14:59.509 --> 00:15:01.549 had one of the Detroit -style pizzas, but I want 00:15:01.549 --> 00:15:04.970 to try one. Dude, so actually, Domino's, back 00:15:04.970 --> 00:15:07.029 in the day, they don't anymore. They did a Detroit 00:15:07.029 --> 00:15:10.230 -style pizza with bacon -wrapped crust. Oh, my 00:15:10.230 --> 00:15:15.190 God, dude. That was... Jets does that, too, the 00:15:15.190 --> 00:15:19.370 Detroit -style. With bacon crust? Well, not with 00:15:19.370 --> 00:15:22.210 bacon crust. I just know they do that, too. Yeah, 00:15:22.250 --> 00:15:24.929 no, the one that Domino's used to have, dude, 00:15:24.970 --> 00:15:28.289 it was absolutely fire. Does anybody remember... 00:15:28.649 --> 00:15:32.090 pre -glow -up, like, Domino's. Like, do you remember 00:15:32.090 --> 00:15:34.830 how their pizza tasted like absolute dog trash 00:15:34.830 --> 00:15:38.090 cardboard? Like, before they changed everything? 00:15:38.570 --> 00:15:42.710 I've always liked Domino's. Before they changed, 00:15:42.730 --> 00:15:46.750 like, they changed everything. The whole brand, 00:15:46.990 --> 00:15:49.929 the flavor, the crust went from being just this 00:15:49.929 --> 00:15:53.509 dry, floury crust to, like, being fucking seasoned 00:15:53.509 --> 00:15:56.840 with, like, little butter on there. It went from 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:58.740 a night and day, like, went from, like, one of 00:15:58.740 --> 00:16:01.960 my worst pizza places to, like, one of my favorite 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:07.799 pizza, like, fast pizza places. Actually, Domino's 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:09.600 is a Detroit company originally. I don't know 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.000 if you knew that. No, I didn't. Oh, no, it's 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:16.919 Ypsilanti, but still. Yeah. But, yeah, so the 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.299 guy that started it, they used the exact same 00:16:19.299 --> 00:16:22.919 recipe today that they used back then. Yeah. 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.059 The only difference is they make the crust thicker. 00:16:28.379 --> 00:16:33.179 I look, I'm not the one to call bullshit, but 00:16:33.179 --> 00:16:36.759 I remember this is like, this is what do they 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:40.899 call those? A net and Yahoo. 2012. Oh yeah. And 00:16:40.899 --> 00:16:46.340 Yahoo. No, you mean Mandela. Yeah. So you're, 00:16:46.340 --> 00:16:49.159 you're thinking about 2012 when they redid or 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.879 did the big rebranding. Yeah. Cause so yeah. 00:16:53.820 --> 00:16:56.480 pretty garbage tasting to like buttery fucking 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:02.580 crust. So I always preferred the Domino's sandwiches, 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:06.859 right? Because of that. In 2012, they got a quote 00:17:06.859 --> 00:17:15.380 unquote new recipe. Oh. Uh oh. We lost them? 00:17:16.059 --> 00:17:18.920 Yeah, it could be the internet. We're actually, 00:17:19.019 --> 00:17:21.299 right now, for anybody who's listening, we are 00:17:21.299 --> 00:17:25.980 going through some thunderstorms. uh so his internet 00:17:25.980 --> 00:17:28.819 probably went out hopefully his master's still 00:17:28.819 --> 00:17:34.180 going but um but in you know in 2012 like you 00:17:34.180 --> 00:17:36.779 was saying uh they didn't really change a whole 00:17:36.779 --> 00:17:40.839 lot at dominoes no i swear to god i swear i remember 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.920 because my stepdad was a big dominoes guy and 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.660 we get it and i was like like i would never eat 00:17:46.660 --> 00:17:49.470 the crust And then after, I swear, after they 00:17:49.470 --> 00:17:51.910 rebranded, they started doing a butter garlic 00:17:51.910 --> 00:17:55.250 crust instead. Dude, I was finishing off everybody 00:17:55.250 --> 00:17:58.710 else's crust. I was like, dude, this is gourmet 00:17:58.710 --> 00:18:04.809 pizza. It's crazy. Well, anyway, back off the 00:18:04.809 --> 00:18:08.410 pizza. And because I did already do that episode 00:18:08.410 --> 00:18:11.630 in the UP, I'm not going to go over any of the 00:18:11.630 --> 00:18:15.309 other foods. So, okay, where did you stop? You 00:18:15.309 --> 00:18:18.599 guys went to the store to get... sodas and stuff 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:26.740 yeah and then what we go back connor's hole after 00:18:26.740 --> 00:18:31.960 you said yeah they're after yeah i was trying 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:33.960 to remember i feel like we went back to camp 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:39.440 for a little bit though oh well you guys had 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:41.740 i mean up till now you guys had no issues though 00:18:41.740 --> 00:18:45.319 no overheating no nothing like that no no problems 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:49.759 at all okay so pretty much everything that everything 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:52.099 that happened down in kentucky you were good 00:18:52.099 --> 00:18:55.299 with so far yes yeah okay my overheating got 00:18:55.299 --> 00:18:59.019 fixed where was that was that the new radiator 00:18:59.019 --> 00:19:02.700 or was that okay it was a radiator yeah and you 00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:05.279 said the old one was plugged up though like yeah 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:11.220 it had a bunch of gunk and stuff well let's just 00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:15.490 keep I guess. Yeah. Even though his master's 00:19:15.490 --> 00:19:22.750 gone, so. Yeah. Let's see here. I feel like we 00:19:22.750 --> 00:19:25.369 went back to camp for a little bit because I 00:19:25.369 --> 00:19:28.730 think it was still raining. Yeah, we went back 00:19:28.730 --> 00:19:31.589 to camp and we chilled out for like an hour or 00:19:31.589 --> 00:19:33.589 so trying to wait for the rain to die down because 00:19:33.589 --> 00:19:35.849 we wanted to go to the fossil ledge and swim. 00:19:38.009 --> 00:19:41.579 So we're waiting for the rain to die down. That 00:19:41.579 --> 00:19:47.480 died down. We went out. I think we did Connor's 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:55.619 Hole first. Yeah. Did you... Is Fossil Ledge 00:19:55.619 --> 00:19:58.299 legitimately how it says? Like there's a bunch 00:19:58.299 --> 00:20:01.799 of fossils in it? Or is it just kind of like 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:07.220 the name? It's kind of like... There is some 00:20:07.220 --> 00:20:09.200 fossils. It's kind of... I wouldn't say, like, 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:14.019 potassi -style fossil, but, like, has, like, 00:20:14.019 --> 00:20:16.660 shells and stuff in it. Yeah, like the Charlevoix 00:20:16.660 --> 00:20:20.039 Stone. Yeah. Because, like, I'm, like, not a 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:22.960 big rock guy. Like, I'm not – I don't go on trips 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:25.960 just for the rocks. But if I'm there where there 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:28.299 are, like, fossils and rocks and stuff, I'm always 00:20:28.299 --> 00:20:31.839 checking them out. Like, when last year when 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:33.680 we were up at, like, Two -Hearted, that whole 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:36.500 coast up there, that rocky coast up by, like, 00:20:36.500 --> 00:20:41.140 Lake Superior. That's all, like, that's all, 00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:44.019 like, agates and stuff like that up there. Hey, 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.920 welcome back, Alex. Yeah. We're still recording. 00:20:54.339 --> 00:21:01.599 I was going to say, you could, yeah. Yeah. No. 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.140 I'm hearing the thunder crack, but. They have, 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:06.390 like. A lot of the fossils that coral in it, 00:21:06.450 --> 00:21:09.369 I have a giant one I got to show you. Yeah. When 00:21:09.369 --> 00:21:13.349 we swam there last year, I dove for it. It was 00:21:13.349 --> 00:21:17.190 a big old rock of fossils in it. Yeah. I'd definitely 00:21:17.190 --> 00:21:19.130 be bringing my swim gear for that. That's probably 00:21:19.130 --> 00:21:21.849 the only reason, though, is to find that stuff. 00:21:22.410 --> 00:21:24.890 Like I said, I like the rocks. When we go up 00:21:24.890 --> 00:21:28.309 here tomorrow, which is Thursday for anybody 00:21:28.309 --> 00:21:30.630 who's listening, whatever, Tuesday or whatever. 00:21:32.190 --> 00:21:33.769 We're going to, we're going to, we're going to 00:21:33.769 --> 00:21:35.730 do some rock hounding up there. I always bring 00:21:35.730 --> 00:21:39.470 back a good, about a pound or so of rocks to, 00:21:39.509 --> 00:21:42.049 to bring back. So we got a couple of vacations 00:21:42.049 --> 00:21:45.109 worth here. Okay. Around sitting in water. I'm 00:21:45.109 --> 00:21:48.250 officially back now. That sucks. I don't know 00:21:48.250 --> 00:21:52.230 how I'm going to line all this up at all, but. 00:21:53.490 --> 00:21:57.609 Dude, my whole, everything went down. My power 00:21:57.609 --> 00:22:01.670 went out. Oh. It's all right. We'll match up. 00:22:01.690 --> 00:22:03.349 We kept talking without you like nothing ever 00:22:03.349 --> 00:22:05.569 happened. We were just going to do the rest of 00:22:05.569 --> 00:22:07.869 the episode without you. Yeah, no, my power fucking 00:22:07.869 --> 00:22:11.529 went out, dude. That was wild. I was kind of 00:22:11.529 --> 00:22:16.569 concerned. It's quite dark. I was going to say, 00:22:16.609 --> 00:22:18.690 Alex, we went back to camp for a little bit, 00:22:18.769 --> 00:22:22.769 right? Yeah, we went back and took a nap. Yeah. 00:22:22.809 --> 00:22:25.289 Because it was raining pretty good. Yeah, we 00:22:25.289 --> 00:22:30.700 were waiting for the rain to die off. And how 00:22:30.700 --> 00:22:32.359 long did that take? Because I know you guys have 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:37.640 bad luck with rain at Drummond. It just rained, 00:22:37.700 --> 00:22:41.640 like, morning and then noon. Sometime after noon, 00:22:41.859 --> 00:22:44.380 it finally died off. Like, around 1, I like to 00:22:44.380 --> 00:22:48.200 say. Yeah, like, around 1 it died off. So we 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.279 went back to camp, took a nap, and then went 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:55.259 back out at, like, 435. Something like that. 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.940 Yeah. I think it was a little sooner than that. 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:07.250 Was it? I don't know. That was around 6, buddy. 00:23:12.609 --> 00:23:16.269 I know it was around 6 because I looked at the 00:23:16.269 --> 00:23:20.190 clock right as it happened and said, fuck, all 00:23:20.190 --> 00:23:22.230 the places on the island are probably closed 00:23:22.230 --> 00:23:28.769 now. So, yeah, so we went out. Back out, we went 00:23:28.769 --> 00:23:30.789 through Connor's Hole and took that route out 00:23:30.789 --> 00:23:37.410 towards Fossil Ledge. I really wanted to do Walker 00:23:37.410 --> 00:23:39.650 Trail, so we did Walker Trail and then brought 00:23:39.650 --> 00:23:43.369 that over to where Moose Nemesis is. They kind 00:23:43.369 --> 00:23:45.529 of fucked up Moose Nemesis a little bit. They 00:23:45.529 --> 00:23:48.549 dropped some boulders on the harder line and 00:23:48.549 --> 00:23:52.569 basically... Go ahead. I don't know how much 00:23:52.569 --> 00:23:55.470 of them doing it. I feel like someone moved a 00:23:55.470 --> 00:23:59.180 rock with a whip. When I say them, I mean them 00:23:59.180 --> 00:24:02.380 as in people other than us. Okay, I thought you 00:24:02.380 --> 00:24:04.099 were referring to the DNR because I didn't know 00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:06.460 the DNR touched it. Somebody fucked up Moose 00:24:06.460 --> 00:24:08.960 Nemesis and dropped a couple boulders right in 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:12.880 the middle of the hard path. And it basically 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:15.400 made it impossible for anything with a longer 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:18.700 wheelbase than a two -door side -by -side, pretty 00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:24.720 much. So, that sucked. I wonder if it was one 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:29.019 of the... the guys from the island because like 00:24:29.019 --> 00:24:31.619 i've seen i've seen like residents and stuff 00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:35.480 yeah uh you know not not like residents of drummond 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:37.880 but like in around but you know you go on a trails 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.240 enough you'll see people put fences on on state 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:44.720 land and i don't know i don't know if they would 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.500 have because they only blocked one of the three 00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:50.299 lines but either way it was blocked uh not really 00:24:50.299 --> 00:24:52.680 blocked you could still try it there just was 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.180 like no there was no line that would get it up 00:24:56.180 --> 00:24:59.660 yeah there was not a good light anymore because 00:24:59.660 --> 00:25:02.079 i think it blocked off the line i was trying 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:05.680 to do yes it did for sure that's why i told you 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:09.619 that line wasn't possible anymore um yeah so 00:25:09.619 --> 00:25:15.940 i went up the second to hardest line um and then 00:25:15.940 --> 00:25:18.319 was getting ready to go up the line that Mark 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.859 just Rambo'd into and Mark, Mark got turtled 00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:26.680 hard, dude. Like could not move pretty bad. So 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:31.140 I tried to, I came back down, uh, Moose nemesis 00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:34.640 down the bypass was going to pull up behind him. 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:39.640 And all I heard was snap and I couldn't turn 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:49.559 anymore. So I knew that it was my, uh, Oh, Hey, 00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:52.740 I'm getting spot. I just got a message from Joe 00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:55.819 Karen about my member spotlight for beyond the 00:25:55.819 --> 00:26:02.420 mitten. That's kind of cool. So I, I, yeah, I 00:26:02.420 --> 00:26:05.700 fucked, I broke my tie rod, my big beefy tie 00:26:05.700 --> 00:26:08.039 rod. At least there's steel. Like we could weld 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.839 on it. We just didn't have a welder with us. 00:26:11.420 --> 00:26:16.470 So we, Kind of tried to fuck with it a little 00:26:16.470 --> 00:26:18.329 bit. I sent Mark and Alan back because we took 00:26:18.329 --> 00:26:22.150 all the tools out. Like, we're within 15 minutes 00:26:22.150 --> 00:26:24.190 of anywhere on the island. Why should we carry 00:26:24.190 --> 00:26:28.269 our tools with us, really? So I sent them to 00:26:28.269 --> 00:26:33.569 get the tools. And also help hunt down a welder. 00:26:34.109 --> 00:26:37.829 Yeah, and hunt down a welder, which sadly they 00:26:37.829 --> 00:26:40.009 did not find. Well, they kind of found a welder. 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.339 They didn't find, there was nobody on the island 00:26:43.339 --> 00:26:45.559 with a welding shop open. Everybody was closed 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:50.240 because of what time it was. So we, the people 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.980 that were shooting off fireworks did have a welder. 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:56.359 So we got the tie rod off. We ran over to them, 00:26:56.500 --> 00:26:58.740 asked them if they could weld it together. And 00:26:58.740 --> 00:27:02.819 their welder was like a big 220 Miller, right? 00:27:02.900 --> 00:27:06.059 That needs like a beefy generator. And they pull 00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:08.900 out a 4k generator, a little Honda 4k generator. 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.279 and could not get it to hold a fucking arc or 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.880 burn hot enough so they welded it back together 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:17.640 and we were hoping just to get it off the trail 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:19.359 and maybe have my dad come up with the trailer 00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:25.279 uh so we get it we're starting to put it in and 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.640 it just snaps off again so then we got You know, 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.839 we closed up the truck. We shut all the doors, 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:35.380 didn't lock it because my locks don't work. Took 00:27:35.380 --> 00:27:38.119 the coolers. Yeah, took the coolers and I disconnected 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:41.019 my battery and took my key. That way someone 00:27:41.019 --> 00:27:43.119 would really have to want to take it if they 00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:46.539 were going to take it. Then we took the tie rod 00:27:46.539 --> 00:27:49.200 and we're in the truck. And at this point, the 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.119 plan was that someone was going to drive all 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.660 the way back down to Grant, weld it together 00:27:53.660 --> 00:27:56.720 and then drive all the way back at, you know, 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.869 middle of the night. Yeah. It's a five -hour 00:27:59.869 --> 00:28:02.569 drive, so 10 hours round trip plus welding time. 00:28:02.789 --> 00:28:07.430 Would have fucking sucked. So we, on our way 00:28:07.430 --> 00:28:09.190 back, I'm like, you know what? Where's the nearest 00:28:09.190 --> 00:28:12.890 harbor freight? Because we could just go buy 00:28:12.890 --> 00:28:16.730 a welder, the same one we've got, weld it together 00:28:16.730 --> 00:28:21.869 at the gas station or something, and then return 00:28:21.869 --> 00:28:24.230 the welder next weekend when we're done with 00:28:24.230 --> 00:28:28.700 it. So, the nearest Harbor Freight was in Sault 00:28:28.700 --> 00:28:30.940 Ste. Marie, which was about 60 -ish miles away. 00:28:32.019 --> 00:28:35.859 So, we got back to camp, got anything that me 00:28:35.859 --> 00:28:37.680 and John would need out of the truck, and then 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:42.799 sent Mark and Alan to go get a welder. I wasn't 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.559 expecting them to weld it on the way back, but 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.259 they stopped it in O 'Reilly's, which was genius. 00:28:50.939 --> 00:28:53.440 And O 'Reilly's let them use an outlet to get 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:55.079 it welded back together. And they reinforced 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:59.420 it and beefed it up a little bit. And then they 00:28:59.420 --> 00:29:03.940 drove back. You guys got back. Oh, so then me 00:29:03.940 --> 00:29:05.759 and John are sitting there. We've got most of 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:07.660 camp tore down. Like we left the shitter up. 00:29:08.059 --> 00:29:12.220 We had one tent left and we had our chairs and 00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:14.960 that was it. Right. And we're sitting there and 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.299 market texted us and said, he's on the way back. 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.319 And it'd been like five hours. And we're like, 00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:23.319 not since then. It was like two hours after I 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.240 said that. Cause you sent that. Okay. Three hours. 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.119 Cause you sent that at 11. You got back at like 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:37.000 almost three. Yeah. So they, uh, yeah. So we're 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.339 like, man, where the fuck are these jokers? Like 00:29:39.339 --> 00:29:43.359 this has taken way too fucking long. Um, and 00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.529 then. As we're getting ready to start walking 00:29:46.529 --> 00:29:49.450 to the road to hitchhike to the gas station where 00:29:49.450 --> 00:29:52.349 we had service, they pull in with both trucks. 00:29:52.750 --> 00:29:55.170 So they stopped and put the tie rod together 00:29:55.170 --> 00:30:01.170 and grabbed my truck. So then we loaded up all 00:30:01.170 --> 00:30:05.650 the stuff from camp and headed back. And we made 00:30:05.650 --> 00:30:11.359 it. I did a quick alignment, of course. We made 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.640 it almost all the way to Big Rapids. Just about 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:20.799 to Big Rapids. Because I didn't have any... What 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:24.839 am I missing? We had to stop because we were 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:28.700 missing something. What were we missing? Your 00:30:28.700 --> 00:30:33.339 nut. Oh, yeah, you're right. So before we got 00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:35.460 off the island, I noticed that my truck felt 00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:39.450 weird. So I pulled over and I figured out the 00:30:39.450 --> 00:30:41.589 entire chain of events that started this whole 00:30:41.589 --> 00:30:45.210 problem. So my passenger side, the tie rod nut 00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:47.930 had backed off, which then allowed the rack and 00:30:47.930 --> 00:30:50.829 pinion to oversteer, which caused the tie rod 00:30:50.829 --> 00:30:55.890 to break as I was turning right there. So the 00:30:55.890 --> 00:30:58.690 whole time my passenger side was missing the 00:30:58.690 --> 00:31:01.809 nut that held the tie rod on. So then we limped 00:31:01.809 --> 00:31:03.730 it, you know, I kind of forced the bolt back 00:31:03.730 --> 00:31:07.119 in place and we drove it from just about our 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:12.160 campsite to Johnny's Barbecue. Did I get it right? 00:31:12.579 --> 00:31:16.400 Everyone go to Johnny's Barbecue. The man and 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:18.700 his wife that run that place are absolute fucking 00:31:18.700 --> 00:31:23.599 saints. So we get to Johnny's Barbecue and I'm 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:25.000 just like, hey, do you know anyone who's just 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.900 got like a bucket of bolts and nuts that I could 00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:30.900 sort through? And he's like, here, let's go look 00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:35.069 through mine. And we found the exact... nut that 00:31:35.069 --> 00:31:38.829 i needed for my bolt and i was able to put my 00:31:38.829 --> 00:31:41.009 tie rod back together we bought some barbecue 00:31:41.009 --> 00:31:44.009 of course because they're saints and it was delicious 00:31:44.009 --> 00:31:48.789 um i got brisket and mac or uh smoked mac and 00:31:48.789 --> 00:31:52.569 cheese with brisket oh it was so good yeah that 00:31:52.569 --> 00:31:57.130 so quesadilla is really good too yeah so then 00:31:57.130 --> 00:32:00.450 we uh You know, we get going again. We get out 00:32:00.450 --> 00:32:02.789 to the ferry. And this time, we made it almost 00:32:02.789 --> 00:32:07.009 all the way to Big Rapids. We'd stop. I'd check 00:32:07.009 --> 00:32:09.190 the front tie rods. We'd get back in. We'd go. 00:32:09.230 --> 00:32:13.809 Everything was nice and tight in the front. Then 00:32:13.809 --> 00:32:17.970 I heard that over. I didn't hear it here. I heard 00:32:17.970 --> 00:32:22.230 it over your, yeah, thunder is a booming. So. 00:32:23.180 --> 00:32:25.779 We get almost to Big Rapids and I start hearing 00:32:25.779 --> 00:32:28.019 this funny sound and I'm like turning the radio 00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:30.740 down to listen to it. And then Mark goes over 00:32:30.740 --> 00:32:33.140 the radio. Hey, there's sparks coming from under 00:32:33.140 --> 00:32:38.460 your truck. And I'm like, fuck, man. So I pull 00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:41.519 over. I pull over and we get looking. And one 00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.640 of my upper links, the bolts had backed out of 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.839 it. Mind you, none of the problems I had were 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:49.740 like actual truck breakage. They were all hardware 00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:53.279 just backing off. The only truck breakage was 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.359 the tie rod on the trail, which was caused after 00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.599 that. And the tie rod was caused by a bolt backing 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:04.740 off. Like I forgot about that. So we, uh, yeah, 00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.740 God, it was such a mess. So we pull over and 00:33:07.740 --> 00:33:10.099 I've got an upper link on my rear axle. That's 00:33:10.099 --> 00:33:12.779 off. And it's like the Heim joint is missing 00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:15.859 the spacers and everything. Like it's bad. Um, 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.119 and then I go to put it back in and the Heim 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.259 joint itself is all fucked up from hitting the 00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:23.099 drive shaft. Actually, I don't think it was hitting 00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:25.240 the driveshaft. I think it was hitting the old 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:29.720 gas tank. The gas tank skid plate rotted out, 00:33:29.779 --> 00:33:31.880 so there was a strap hanging there, and that 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.319 was hitting the driveshaft, which was vibrating 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.720 against the link, which dented the heim joint 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:41.559 just enough that it couldn't rotate. Yeah. So... 00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:44.039 The strap on the driveshaft is what was causing 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:49.380 the sparks. Yep. So then I... I got some smaller 00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:51.619 bolts, not the right ones. Cause mind you, I'm 00:33:51.619 --> 00:33:54.019 missing the right bolt at this point. And I just 00:33:54.019 --> 00:33:56.400 kind of pieced my link together enough to do 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.799 the hour drive home. Um, I called my dad for 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.160 a trailer and then canceled it like immediately. 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.200 Uh, so yeah, I got all that piece back together 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.099 and then it was uneventful the rest of the way 00:34:09.099 --> 00:34:14.639 home. But the moral of my story is make sure 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:18.690 all your bolts are tight. You know, And then 00:34:18.690 --> 00:34:22.429 the next part of that story is don't reuse hardware. 00:34:22.710 --> 00:34:25.769 I know it just seems so easy to just reuse hardware. 00:34:26.250 --> 00:34:28.969 Every time that we reuse hardware, we get fucking 00:34:28.969 --> 00:34:33.210 burnt at some point. So if you're doing a major 00:34:33.210 --> 00:34:37.329 build. Torque hardware to spec. Oh, there's no 00:34:37.329 --> 00:34:39.789 spec on these. No, there's no spec for this custom 00:34:39.789 --> 00:34:43.610 stuff, no. Oh, yeah, it's all custom. So. Oh, 00:34:43.630 --> 00:34:46.860 good doggo. So yeah, and it was uggadugged. All 00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:49.219 of it was uggadugged and torqued to like 110 00:34:49.219 --> 00:34:51.599 at the beginning, but obviously it loosened over 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:56.400 time. So the moral of the story is to get new 00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.559 hardware and nylox are lifesavers. So use nylox. 00:35:00.820 --> 00:35:04.460 That's it. I actually went and picked up all 00:35:04.460 --> 00:35:08.739 new bolts and nylox and washers. So my whole 00:35:08.739 --> 00:35:10.519 rear end this weekend, I'm going to go through 00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.019 it and replace all the bolts with nylox or nuts 00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:16.380 with nylox. reconnect everything. I've got new 00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:18.300 Heim joints that were supposed to be here today, 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.219 but now look like they'll be here tomorrow. Um, 00:35:21.500 --> 00:35:26.679 yeah, it, it's a mess, dude. Bolts need to stay 00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.659 in. That's, that's all there is to it. Um, yeah. 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.659 Yeah. So my ass end after this weekend, my ass 00:35:33.659 --> 00:35:36.539 end will all be done and fixed with nylox. And 00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:39.280 then I'm going to, the front has some different 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.760 size bolts. The back is all the same size, but 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:43.519 the front has a couple of different sized ones. 00:35:44.230 --> 00:35:46.750 So I'm going to pull those out and go get new 00:35:46.750 --> 00:35:50.929 ones. My cousin's going to make me some new tie 00:35:50.929 --> 00:35:54.610 rods. I'm hoping, I'd like to see them milled. 00:35:54.610 --> 00:35:59.469 I'd rather have milled ones than welded. So we'll 00:35:59.469 --> 00:36:02.329 see about that. But I don't necessarily want 00:36:02.329 --> 00:36:04.909 to do billet because if I do billet, then I can't 00:36:04.909 --> 00:36:08.969 weld it on the trail. Which comes to the next 00:36:08.969 --> 00:36:10.929 thing that would have saved our ass is if we 00:36:10.929 --> 00:36:16.039 had a carnage welder. Yeah. what can't you weld 00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:19.800 with like a couple of cables on a battery and 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:25.260 and uh you'd have to have a stick and like you 00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:28.880 can it's just not very efficient but if you pick 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.900 up a carnage welder carnage welders uh flux core 00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:35.400 welder that you know it just runs wire right 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.539 through it it's got a battery on board it does 00:36:37.539 --> 00:36:42.440 16 minutes of uh arc time um They're phenomenal. 00:36:42.739 --> 00:36:44.579 I mean, they're $1 ,000, but they're phenomenal. 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:49.440 Yeah. And we've been tossing around getting one 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.980 for a while, and this trip just kind of solidified 00:36:51.980 --> 00:36:55.119 we need to invest in a carnage welder. Yeah. 00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:59.300 I'm going to reach out. Like flux core welders, 00:36:59.340 --> 00:37:02.719 huh? I don't love flux core welders, but for 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:05.019 trailside, flux core is kind of the way to go. 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:11.329 I mean, they're cheaper, but. it there's less 00:37:11.329 --> 00:37:14.230 that you got to think about but i think i'm gonna 00:37:14.230 --> 00:37:16.889 reach out to i can't remember the guy's name 00:37:16.889 --> 00:37:19.449 that owns carnage i'm gonna see if he can build 00:37:19.449 --> 00:37:22.090 us one that's inside a pack out because then 00:37:22.090 --> 00:37:27.730 it can just click into our stack um yeah that'd 00:37:27.730 --> 00:37:31.389 be dope i think so too so can you hook it up 00:37:31.389 --> 00:37:33.530 to like the battery or how do you how are you 00:37:33.530 --> 00:37:35.869 gonna run it so they have a battery on board 00:37:35.869 --> 00:37:38.829 yeah it's got one on board and then it's also 00:37:38.829 --> 00:37:41.929 got If that battery dies and you need more time, 00:37:42.070 --> 00:37:46.010 you can hook up two car batteries to it. And 00:37:46.010 --> 00:37:49.050 you have two. Yeah, yeah. Well, I have one, but 00:37:49.050 --> 00:37:53.809 I will have two. It also has, so there's a charger, 00:37:53.989 --> 00:37:57.250 Anderson connector charger, where it just plugs 00:37:57.250 --> 00:37:59.090 into the battery and charges while you're driving. 00:37:59.690 --> 00:38:02.750 So in all honesty, your Carnage should always 00:38:02.750 --> 00:38:07.539 be charged and ready to go. Yeah, I think it's 00:38:07.539 --> 00:38:10.400 a bang solid thing to invest in. It sucks because 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:15.559 it's expensive, but in this situation, there's 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.320 been a few situations that would have saved our 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:24.059 ass. Yeah. And if we want to start pushing out 00:38:24.059 --> 00:38:26.340 west and doing some harder shit, and if we're 00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:27.900 going to be doing that, we really got to have 00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:30.760 some kind of backup plan in case something goes 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.519 wrong. Yeah, we don't always want to have the 00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:37.070 trailer with us either. Right. Right, that's 00:38:37.070 --> 00:38:41.110 more of a base camp thing. Yep. This trip, the 00:38:41.110 --> 00:38:44.050 trailer would have been fucking awesome to have 00:38:44.050 --> 00:38:48.489 brought, but most situations, like let's say 00:38:48.489 --> 00:38:50.929 we're doing the Overland thing and we're hitting 00:38:50.929 --> 00:38:54.329 like 10 different spots in 10 days, right? We 00:38:54.329 --> 00:38:56.349 don't want the fucking trailer for that. No. 00:38:58.090 --> 00:39:00.530 It's only nice if you're going somewhere, you 00:39:00.530 --> 00:39:04.639 can just drop it off. This weekend was supposed 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:06.880 to be just a quick run to drumming and come back. 00:39:07.059 --> 00:39:09.619 So we really weren't planning on needing it, 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:14.679 but it's probably better for not planning on 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.420 needing something. You know what I mean? And 00:39:16.420 --> 00:39:18.360 once we get a generator on there, it'll be even 00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.159 more useful because then we'll be able to run 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:25.719 the welder off it. It just, what? It started 00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.400 out as a generator, so I'm just laughing because 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.820 it's how ironic. You take the generator off it, 00:39:31.820 --> 00:39:33.639 put a bunch of stuff on it, and then we need 00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.920 a generator. You're right. The trailer was originally 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.659 a generator. Fuck. I'm just like, oh, dude, that's 00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:46.179 just hilarious. I have no storage space. And 00:39:46.179 --> 00:39:48.480 it wouldn't generate power, even though it was 00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:53.280 a 15K generator. You're right, it is funny. It's 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:56.159 just funny, though. It's like ironic. Yeah, it 00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.500 is. One of them little Honda ones to put on there, 00:39:59.539 --> 00:40:01.639 huh? Well, no, because they can't run generators. 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.659 That's what the guys were trying to use to weld 00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:06.440 it together the first time. Oh, welders, yeah. 00:40:06.940 --> 00:40:11.199 So we'll get something figured out. Predator. 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:16.260 It probably will be a Predator. No, in all honesty, 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.820 it'll probably be a Predator just because they're 00:40:19.820 --> 00:40:25.400 cheaper. Yeah, 100%. And you know what? Our generator 00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:32.380 gets ran maybe twice a year. I also, I was watching 00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:34.880 videos today and I learned how to clean beads 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:39.840 with a farm jack. So we could have done that 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.619 at Kentucky when them guys had a bunch of shit 00:40:42.619 --> 00:40:47.250 in their beads. Oh, okay. What? Oh. I thought 00:40:47.250 --> 00:40:49.989 you meant weld beads. I know. That's what I thought. 00:40:50.030 --> 00:40:51.989 I was like, you're just going to smack it on 00:40:51.989 --> 00:40:55.110 the weld. Like that seems technically you're 00:40:55.110 --> 00:40:57.889 supposed to grind off all the access. Yeah. Like 00:40:57.889 --> 00:41:04.170 that. Yeah. So Drummond was fun. I mean, before 00:41:04.170 --> 00:41:06.670 bolt started backing out, the forerunner performed 00:41:06.670 --> 00:41:12.170 phenomenal. Yeah. I actually, so we were running 00:41:12.170 --> 00:41:15.949 down the main road there towards our camp empty. 00:41:17.139 --> 00:41:20.300 And I hit like 40 and I'm like, man, and I was 00:41:20.300 --> 00:41:23.019 like 50. I was like, man, I better not go faster. 00:41:23.179 --> 00:41:26.199 I don't want to lose Mark. And I look in the 00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:30.280 back and it's just a big cloud of dust. But I 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:34.019 easily, you know, judging by how it felt zooming 00:41:34.019 --> 00:41:35.980 down that road, I easily could have been doing 00:41:35.980 --> 00:41:40.739 65, 70 without a problem. The, the long travel 00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:44.480 is a whole different world in comfort and suspension 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:47.639 and even on road, dude, it's so much more planted. 00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:49.780 The truck doesn't walk around at all. I mean, 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:55.380 it's, it's a solid upgrade. Yeah. Definitely 00:41:55.380 --> 00:41:58.639 better this year than last year at Drummond. 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.440 For sure. Oh yeah. Yeah. I was just looking at 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:06.139 upper control arms for mine. You know, just thinking. 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.219 Thinking about the future. Because eventually 00:42:08.219 --> 00:42:10.119 those will need to be changed, too. Looking at... 00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.579 I think Freedom Off -Road's got uniball ones 00:42:12.579 --> 00:42:17.659 for, like, $530. They're uniballed, and I think 00:42:17.659 --> 00:42:21.039 they said it's gusseted. Dude. That's for the 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:24.119 pair of them. Dude, you could do two -inch long 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:28.840 travel for, like, three grand. Ugh. Yeah, that's 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.219 a lot right now. But, yes. I mean, two -inch. 00:42:32.539 --> 00:42:36.119 Isn't that, like... I want to go like three at 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:41.820 least, right? Mine's 3 .5. I feel like if I'm 00:42:41.820 --> 00:42:43.599 going to do it, I might as well do like three 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.079 because I want to be able to clear. If I do long 00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.380 travel, I feel like I need to be at least 35 00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:56.599 to 40 on tires. I'd say 33 to 35. I was going 00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.119 to say, I'm at 33 already. I think long travel 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.400 with 33s would be best just because then you 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:05.219 don't have to grind anything out. What long travel 00:43:05.219 --> 00:43:09.619 gives you is more comfort than clearance. You 00:43:09.619 --> 00:43:13.380 almost, I mean, I can clear 35s now, but I really 00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:17.219 could before. So, I mean, it doesn't really benefit 00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:19.920 me there a whole lot. Yeah, I mean, there are 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.239 people that are clearing 35s on just a couple 00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:26.519 inch lift that they have on their FJs. Oh, lift 00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:31.119 doesn't make you clear tires. Well, I don't, 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.429 it must be the offset. But I just meant more 00:43:34.429 --> 00:43:37.929 like they're not doing long travel. They could 00:43:37.929 --> 00:43:41.889 still clear it. So, yeah, long travel isn't going 00:43:41.889 --> 00:43:44.929 to help you really clear it either. So lift doesn't 00:43:44.929 --> 00:43:47.190 help you. I mean, it does, right? So if you lift 00:43:47.190 --> 00:43:50.210 a truck, you can put a bigger tire on until you 00:43:50.210 --> 00:43:53.449 go off -roading. Yeah, I know. And then it starts 00:43:53.449 --> 00:43:57.530 rubbing and stuff. So the best route is to make 00:43:57.530 --> 00:44:00.550 clearance and then set your bump stops properly 00:44:00.550 --> 00:44:05.480 and do all the things. I'd like more ground clearance. 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:11.360 You know what I mean? What would you say? Axle 00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:15.440 to ground clearance? I know taller tires can 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.340 help with that a little bit. It's really the 00:44:17.340 --> 00:44:20.780 only way to fix that. Without going to portals. 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:27.860 Right. Those are like $10 ,000. I just broke 00:44:27.860 --> 00:44:29.920 my thumb drive that I've been playing with for 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:36.829 many, many episodes. Yeah. Oh, oh, has everyone 00:44:36.829 --> 00:44:38.570 been listening to me play with this thumb drive 00:44:38.570 --> 00:44:42.610 for like weeks? Cause no, just now I could hear 00:44:42.610 --> 00:44:44.949 it. Like you fumble around with it. We really 00:44:44.949 --> 00:44:48.650 heard it when you broke it. Yeah. So, I mean, 00:44:48.670 --> 00:44:52.070 I think doing long travel would be beneficial 00:44:52.070 --> 00:44:55.949 for both of you just in the situation of, it 00:44:55.949 --> 00:44:58.210 gives you more flex and it's more comfortable 00:44:58.210 --> 00:45:02.019 to drive. That's it. Yeah, I'm going to have 00:45:02.019 --> 00:45:08.000 to watch that Tinker's video. He does a video 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.300 on whether you should get rid of front sways 00:45:10.300 --> 00:45:13.000 or rear sways. And he's got the whole engineering 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.860 aspect behind it. And he actually argues to get 00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:22.260 rid of front sways. So I want to look at that 00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:24.980 and see about that too. Because I think front 00:45:24.980 --> 00:45:27.820 sway bars, that wouldn't be as bad. I feel like 00:45:27.820 --> 00:45:29.619 that would keep you planted still with the rear. 00:45:31.070 --> 00:45:35.710 or or hear me out remove both sway bars and then 00:45:35.710 --> 00:45:38.369 put long travel on the front and then it feels 00:45:38.369 --> 00:45:42.130 like you only have one taken off yeah yeah i 00:45:42.130 --> 00:45:44.789 don't if it's a video i think it is there's a 00:45:44.789 --> 00:45:47.289 small difference of leaving the rear sway bar 00:45:47.289 --> 00:45:51.409 and not having them on so i mean it's just up 00:45:51.409 --> 00:45:55.239 to you if you want the lean or not i mean i think 00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:58.539 what i'm gonna end up doing just because um when 00:45:58.539 --> 00:46:01.260 i finally get down to it is like a sway bar disconnect 00:46:01.260 --> 00:46:05.440 yeah like and they have the really nice ones 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:09.340 with apex yeah i think they're like 800 though 00:46:09.340 --> 00:46:13.320 so yeah i'll probably get upper control arms 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.900 before i do that so because upper control arms 00:46:16.900 --> 00:46:21.030 are on my list for the next year I am starting 00:46:21.030 --> 00:46:23.409 to rub on those a little bit, which I didn't 00:46:23.409 --> 00:46:26.809 think I would be, but I guess with stock wheels 00:46:26.809 --> 00:46:33.389 and tires. You got stock uppers? Yeah. Okay. 00:46:33.610 --> 00:46:35.989 I see you doing a two -inch one like what I have 00:46:35.989 --> 00:46:44.309 from the name now. No. KDS? Yeah. KPS? I think 00:46:44.309 --> 00:46:48.250 it's KDS. I think it's KP, but I thought I just 00:46:48.250 --> 00:46:54.139 saw them. But yeah, for... Let's see. What is 00:46:54.139 --> 00:46:58.260 it? Total Chaos. Yeah. Freedom Off -Road has 00:46:58.260 --> 00:47:03.440 uniball front uppers that are gusseted. Might 00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:10.019 do those. I think Gavin can run my billet ones 00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:16.679 I have if I remember correctly. Your KDSs? KSP! 00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:24.449 KSP. Something like that. Yeah, so... Go ahead. 00:47:26.489 --> 00:47:28.329 Oh, I was just saying, we were just talking about 00:47:28.329 --> 00:47:32.050 seeing if the CVs that Alex has would fit on 00:47:32.050 --> 00:47:38.809 mine. Oh, my old CVs? CVX, yeah. I doubt it. 00:47:39.469 --> 00:47:42.469 I don't think we did, because me and Alex went 00:47:42.469 --> 00:47:44.869 to... You and me should be sharing the same CVs, 00:47:44.869 --> 00:47:47.769 though. Yeah, I don't know. We were just talking 00:47:47.769 --> 00:47:52.159 about it earlier. I was curious if me and Mark's 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:56.340 CVs now match. Yeah. Now that I'm running longer 00:47:56.340 --> 00:48:02.179 ones. Yeah. What year is your FJ again? 07. 07 00:48:02.179 --> 00:48:11.239 to 12. Researching. Yeah, researching. But yeah, 00:48:11.340 --> 00:48:14.639 so, I mean, to sum it all up, Drummond Island 00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:18.019 was a lot of fun. It did end up becoming a long 00:48:18.019 --> 00:48:20.739 time just because, you know, 4Runner breaky. 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.320 And not even, I can't even blame the 4Runner 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.420 or the work. It was just the freaking hardware, 00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:30.880 dude. But I learned my lesson. Don't reuse hardware. 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:35.960 Yeah, that's what mine is too. I assume that's 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.179 what yours is too. I'm talking about the KSB. 00:48:39.539 --> 00:48:44.500 I am too. Okay. I didn't think the black one. 00:48:46.750 --> 00:48:50.389 The black truck, black foreigner. That one's 00:48:50.389 --> 00:48:55.309 got, that one's got one to two. Mine is two to 00:48:55.309 --> 00:49:03.309 four that we just took off. But yeah. Okay. Thanks 00:49:03.309 --> 00:49:06.730 for listening along with us and hearing us kind 00:49:06.730 --> 00:49:11.929 of drone on about truck parts. We will catch 00:49:11.929 --> 00:49:12.690 you guys later.