WEBVTT 00:00:00.619 --> 00:00:03.839 Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:05.960 about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:08.279 tent camping to rock landing, and all things 00:00:08.279 --> 00:00:12.119 to do with the outdoors. Today, because I botched 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:17.699 our episode we actually did yesterday, I moved 00:00:17.699 --> 00:00:21.500 all our recording equipment for myself from my 00:00:21.500 --> 00:00:23.859 son's room to my room to give him a little bit 00:00:23.859 --> 00:00:28.359 more space. And while recording my copy for Audacity, 00:00:29.019 --> 00:00:32.899 I forgot to reselect my mic as the recording 00:00:32.899 --> 00:00:36.899 device. So when Alex went to go edit this, he 00:00:36.899 --> 00:00:40.000 got about an hour and a half to two hours of 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:45.619 silence coming from me. So that's fun. I screwed 00:00:45.619 --> 00:00:48.820 that up. My bad. We had a really nice interview 00:00:48.820 --> 00:00:53.060 with Brian R. Sweet and his forerunner that he's 00:00:53.060 --> 00:00:56.500 got. And we might have him on later to kind of 00:00:56.500 --> 00:00:58.770 chat a little bit. But yeah, I kind of screwed 00:00:58.770 --> 00:01:01.829 that up. So we were going to wait and do this, 00:01:01.909 --> 00:01:04.730 but I'm going to just do it now. That way we 00:01:04.730 --> 00:01:08.090 have something we can put out, which is the Northology 00:01:08.090 --> 00:01:11.489 magazine. And we're going to talk a little bit 00:01:11.489 --> 00:01:15.250 about the couple articles that they have in here. 00:01:15.290 --> 00:01:16.950 I'm going to read them off to you. That way you 00:01:16.950 --> 00:01:19.730 don't have to read them yourself. And then if 00:01:19.730 --> 00:01:22.930 you want to look at Northology magazine and. 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:27.299 check that out, see what's in there, then you 00:01:27.299 --> 00:01:29.959 are more than welcome. So, the first article 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:33.019 I'm going to read is called Overlanding is the 00:01:33.019 --> 00:01:37.260 American Way, A Homegrown Tradition of Exploration. 00:01:37.659 --> 00:01:42.120 The American Overland Legacy. Long before GPS, 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:44.819 Americans were blazing trails into the unknown. 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:48.319 The term overland itself may have emerged from 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:51.260 these domestic expeditions. Consider Meriwether 00:01:51.260 --> 00:01:55.090 Lewis and William Clark. whose corps of discovery 00:01:55.090 --> 00:01:58.969 departed st louis in eighteen o four on what 00:01:58.969 --> 00:02:01.670 would be called the original american overlanding 00:02:01.670 --> 00:02:04.510 expedition their mission navigate the rivers 00:02:04.510 --> 00:02:09.250 mountains and plains in search of a route to 00:02:09.250 --> 00:02:12.030 the pacific with just grit gear and the guidance 00:02:12.030 --> 00:02:15.490 from indigenous communities decades later the 00:02:15.490 --> 00:02:17.710 overland trail carried thousands of immigrants 00:02:17.710 --> 00:02:20.680 westward these pioneers weren't weekend warriors 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.479 they were travelers seeking new lives beyond 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:26.439 the mississippi traveling by wagon through the 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:29.219 treacherous and untamed terrain the infrastructure 00:02:29.219 --> 00:02:32.280 of today's back roads and byways owes much to 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:35.139 the determined tread of those early overlanders 00:02:35.139 --> 00:02:39.139 the overland trail americans first overland highway 00:02:39.139 --> 00:02:42.039 long before the term overlanding entered the 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:45.199 modern lexicon The Overland Trail served as one 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:48.520 of the earliest and most iconic examples of vehicle 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:52.360 -assisted travel, albeit powered by oxen and 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:54.879 grit instead of diesel and differential locks. 00:02:55.180 --> 00:02:58.460 Running 2 ,000 miles from Missouri to Oregon 00:02:58.460 --> 00:03:03.340 and California, the Overland Trail became a lifeline 00:03:03.340 --> 00:03:06.719 for pioneers, gold seekers, and settlers in the 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.759 mid -1800s. Unlike the earlier Oregon Trail, 00:03:10.020 --> 00:03:13.020 the Oregon, or I'm sorry, the Overland Route, 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:16.219 also known as the South Pass Route, offered a 00:03:16.219 --> 00:03:18.620 slightly more hospitable and efficient corridor 00:03:18.620 --> 00:03:21.319 through Wyoming, avoiding some of the treacherous 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:23.939 river crossings and mountain passes that plagued 00:03:23.939 --> 00:03:26.960 earlier travelers. By the night, ooh, not in 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:32.909 the 1960s, the 1860s, the route gained even greater 00:03:32.909 --> 00:03:35.849 significance when ben holidays overland stage 00:03:35.849 --> 00:03:38.710 company began using it to carry passengers freight 00:03:38.710 --> 00:03:41.289 and u .s mail between missouri and salt lake 00:03:41.289 --> 00:03:43.930 city and eventually all the way to california 00:03:43.930 --> 00:03:47.289 stations replaced every 10 to 15 miles where 00:03:47.289 --> 00:03:49.909 travelers could rest change horses and brace 00:03:49.909 --> 00:03:52.169 for the next leg of the dusty jolting travel 00:03:52.169 --> 00:03:55.830 travel through the railroad would eventually 00:03:55.830 --> 00:04:01.219 render the trail i'm sorry though The railroad 00:04:01.219 --> 00:04:04.460 would eventually render the trail obsolete. The 00:04:04.460 --> 00:04:07.020 legacy of the Overland Trail lives on in the 00:04:07.020 --> 00:04:09.819 very idea of remote land travel through rugged 00:04:09.819 --> 00:04:14.500 terrain. Today's overlanders echo the same values, 00:04:14.699 --> 00:04:17.060 self -reliance, exploration, and willingness 00:04:17.060 --> 00:04:21.160 to head into the unknown. Modern rigs may have 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.959 rooftop tents and a GPS, but the spirit of the 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.019 Overland Trail still rides with every traveler. 00:04:26.379 --> 00:04:30.100 Which brings us to today's overlander. still 00:04:30.100 --> 00:04:32.759 following the frontier so why the gatekeeping 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.500 why imply a traveler who treks the dalton highway 00:04:35.500 --> 00:04:38.399 the mojave road or the boundary waters region 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.240 isn't really overlanding unless they're also 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:44.939 juggling visas and passports and bribing border 00:04:44.939 --> 00:04:49.160 agents to be clear there is a value in international 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:52.060 travel, but American overlanders aren't simply 00:04:52.060 --> 00:04:54.199 stuck in their borders. They are choosing to 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:57.459 explore a continent -sized country with a staggering 00:04:57.459 --> 00:04:59.839 range of terrain, from the alpine trails of the 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:02.959 Rockies to the cigarro -studded routes of the 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.839 Sonoran Desert. From the dense Appalachian Forest, 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:11.259 the windswept Great Plains, there is no shortage 00:05:11.259 --> 00:05:13.379 of challenge, remoteness, and self -reliance 00:05:13.379 --> 00:05:16.600 required. And let's not forget the cultural patchwork 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.019 that makes each region distinct. One can cross 00:05:20.019 --> 00:05:23.160 borders in America simply by crossing county 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.439 lines. A trip from Arizona to Louisiana can feel 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.300 more foreign than a crossing from Spain to Portugal, 00:05:29.459 --> 00:05:35.220 which is definitely true. So that was the article. 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:38.579 And that, yeah, that has a lot of merit to it. 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:42.480 We've been overlanding and traveling from one 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.920 place to another. For very, very long time. I 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.040 mean, since settlers were coming from Europe 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.420 to America, however you want to put it, colonizers 00:05:53.420 --> 00:05:57.800 or whatever. But the want to find something better 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.879 and to do something for yourself to better your 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.740 life has always been there. It's just kind of 00:06:03.740 --> 00:06:08.060 evolved. I mean, for me now, the want for me 00:06:08.060 --> 00:06:11.779 to get out. and experience some peace and tranquility 00:06:11.779 --> 00:06:15.300 and to explore the unknown, or at least the semi 00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:18.120 -unknown, and see the things that are out there 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.899 to see is a driving force for me. I really enjoy 00:06:21.899 --> 00:06:25.439 that, and my family does as well. And it's something 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.920 that's great for the kid. He gets to see what 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.160 there is to see out there. He gets to see a different 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:36.839 side of the technology -driven world. I think 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:40.540 a lot of the kids nowadays don't really get that. 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:43.720 And I think it's only going to get worse. There 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.160 will always be those families that push nature 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.680 and being outside and whatnot. But if you look 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:52.480 at the dependency on electronics nowadays, I 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:55.980 think these newer generations, I think we're 00:06:55.980 --> 00:07:00.500 going to see. and the overlanding world. I think 00:07:00.500 --> 00:07:02.100 we're going to see that drop off a little bit 00:07:02.100 --> 00:07:04.480 because they can get pretty much everything at 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:07.439 their fingertips. They want to see cool things. 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.259 They can watch YouTube. They can do this. They 00:07:10.259 --> 00:07:12.199 can do that. They can play a video game about 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.699 it. I mean, hell, they have a farming simulator 00:07:14.699 --> 00:07:18.699 and lawn mowing simulator, and they even have 00:07:18.699 --> 00:07:22.819 off -road trucking simulators and all that. So 00:07:22.819 --> 00:07:26.430 I think some of that... kind of kills the curiosity 00:07:26.430 --> 00:07:29.970 within the kid to get out there and experience 00:07:29.970 --> 00:07:31.990 it for themselves. I mean, like I said, of course 00:07:31.990 --> 00:07:34.750 you have outliers and some of us that are going 00:07:34.750 --> 00:07:37.629 to raise our kids a little different, but a lot 00:07:37.629 --> 00:07:39.810 of these kids are going to be so focused on technology 00:07:39.810 --> 00:07:42.230 that they're going to miss out on everything 00:07:42.230 --> 00:07:45.029 that this beautiful country and world has to 00:07:45.029 --> 00:07:50.069 offer. So we've been doing it for a while. The 00:07:50.069 --> 00:07:53.660 definition might have changed. The name might 00:07:53.660 --> 00:07:56.279 have changed, but we've been traveling since 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:58.480 the beginning of time. We've always been looking. 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:02.199 So it's just a matter of how we do it. And I 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:06.540 hate to put any kind of definition on overlanding 00:08:06.540 --> 00:08:09.560 because at the end of the day, as long as you're 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:12.079 out there, that's all that matters. So we're 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:15.420 going to take a look at a second article called 00:08:15.420 --> 00:08:20.240 the roadless rule rescission. Now, I didn't know 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:26.079 about this until. I would say last night, I had 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.980 to look up what the roadless rule rescission 00:08:29.980 --> 00:08:38.539 was. And what it was, was a, let me get you an 00:08:38.539 --> 00:08:42.720 actual definition here of kind of what going 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.090 on. So here, via copilot. The U .S. Department 00:08:46.090 --> 00:08:49.789 of Agriculture, the USDA, is rescinding the 2001 00:08:49.789 --> 00:08:54.669 roadless rule, which will unlock 30 % of national 00:08:54.669 --> 00:08:57.490 forest system and allow for common sense forest 00:08:57.490 --> 00:09:01.370 management practices. This decision will remove 00:09:01.370 --> 00:09:04.669 prohibitions on road construction, reconstruction, 00:09:05.070 --> 00:09:10.490 and timber harvest on nearly 59 million acres 00:09:10.490 --> 00:09:14.559 of the national forest system. So... With that 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:18.480 in mind, what this might mean for us as overlanders 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:23.940 and explorers could be pretty good. I mean, as 00:09:23.940 --> 00:09:27.379 long as they don't do something to, I don't know, 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:31.740 mitigate our travel through these areas, what 00:09:31.740 --> 00:09:35.220 it could lead to is more trails. So I'm going 00:09:35.220 --> 00:09:39.879 to read the article for this, and I'll let you 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:41.860 kind of decide, and maybe you guys will have 00:09:41.860 --> 00:09:45.200 some kind of insight on this. So, what does it 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.220 mean for overlanders? The decision of the roadless 00:09:48.220 --> 00:09:50.679 rule, depending on how it's implemented, could 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.340 positively affect overland travel and dispersed 00:09:53.340 --> 00:09:57.139 camping in several key ways, also providing potential 00:09:57.139 --> 00:10:00.019 benefits to forest health and land management. 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:02.700 Benefits for the overland travel and dispersed 00:10:02.700 --> 00:10:06.059 camping would be like expanded access to remote 00:10:06.059 --> 00:10:09.720 areas, lifting the roadless rule allows for limited 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:12.059 road construction and maintenance in previously 00:10:12.059 --> 00:10:15.000 restricted areas, this means overlanders and 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.399 dispersed campers could gain access to more remote 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:19.919 and rugged parts of the national forest increasing 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.820 the opportunities for solitude exploration and 00:10:22.820 --> 00:10:25.860 backcountry adventure the better maintenance 00:10:25.860 --> 00:10:29.659 of existing forest roads forest managers can 00:10:29.659 --> 00:10:32.899 now more easily repair and reopen roads that 00:10:32.899 --> 00:10:35.200 were previously neglected due to rule constraints 00:10:36.190 --> 00:10:38.570 Improved access means safer travel conditions 00:10:38.570 --> 00:10:41.029 and fewer closures due to impassable routes, 00:10:41.230 --> 00:10:44.090 especially following wildfires, landslides, or 00:10:44.090 --> 00:10:47.549 other severe weather. Increased dispersed camping 00:10:47.549 --> 00:10:50.649 opportunities. As more areas become accessible 00:10:50.649 --> 00:10:53.529 by vehicle, dispersed camping options could increase. 00:10:53.789 --> 00:10:56.289 This will reduce overcrowding at traditional 00:10:56.289 --> 00:10:58.970 campsites and help spread out the visitor impact 00:10:58.970 --> 00:11:01.929 across a wider landscape, potentially preserving 00:11:01.929 --> 00:11:05.919 the quality of experience. and improved wildlife 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.419 mitigation. The ability to create or maintain 00:11:09.419 --> 00:11:12.559 roads can aid wildfire prevention and response. 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:16.600 Fire crews can access vulnerable areas more quickly, 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:21.860 and land managers can implement strategic thinning 00:11:21.860 --> 00:11:25.320 and prescribed burns more efficiently. Key components 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:29.399 in reducing catastrophe with the wildfires. And 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:32.039 then there's more effective land stewardship. 00:11:32.539 --> 00:11:39.039 With the increased mobility through forest roads, 00:11:39.259 --> 00:11:42.379 agencies and conservation groups can conduct 00:11:42.379 --> 00:11:44.919 better monitoring, invasive species control, 00:11:45.220 --> 00:11:47.740 and restoration work in the backcountry areas. 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:50.580 This can lead to healthier ecosystems that benefit 00:11:50.580 --> 00:11:53.659 wildlife, watersheds, and long -term recreational 00:11:53.659 --> 00:11:57.320 use. Adaptive Management in a Challenging Environment 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:03.639 As natural changes intensify, beetle infestations 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.039 drought having the flexibility to build and restore 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.779 access roads enables proactive and timely management 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:12.720 interventions while the rescission opens doors 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:15.720 for overlanders and improves forest service capability 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:19.659 it's important access is expanded responsibly 00:12:19.659 --> 00:12:23.919 yes it's important that the access is expanded 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:27.820 responsibly Collaboration between user groups 00:12:27.820 --> 00:12:30.379 and land managers and conservation organizations 00:12:30.379 --> 00:12:34.200 will be critical to ensure that new or reopened 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.919 roads don't compromise sensitive habitats or 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:40.960 lead to overuse. Access versus disposal. The 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:44.100 rescission of the roadless rule and the subtraction 00:12:44.100 --> 00:12:46.639 of public land sale provisions from the land, 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.059 the big beautiful bill, the comprehensive public 00:12:50.059 --> 00:12:54.320 lands legislation, may seem unrelated. but they 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.940 reflect a broader pivot in the federal land policy 00:12:56.940 --> 00:12:59.480 towards the sustainable access and stewardship 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:04.059 not the privatization privatization privatization 00:13:04.059 --> 00:13:07.960 or restriction wrote this role rescission this 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.620 policy rollback allows for a strategic road construction 00:13:10.620 --> 00:13:14.039 and maintenance in designated roadless areas 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:16.919 for overlanders firefighters forest managers 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:19.899 and dispersed campers it allows for the ability 00:13:19.899 --> 00:13:24.320 to reach use and care for public lands that were 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.940 previously inaccessible even for needed restoration 00:13:27.940 --> 00:13:31.559 or emergency access striking the public land 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.559 sales clause the original draft of the big beautiful 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:36.879 bill included language that would have allowed 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.039 the sale and disposal of certain federal lands 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.879 that language was stripped out after the public 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:46.500 outcry ensuring that these lands remain in public 00:13:46.500 --> 00:13:49.919 hands open to the recreation conservation and 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.450 responsible use together these changes Send a 00:13:53.450 --> 00:13:55.629 clear signal. The federal government listened 00:13:55.629 --> 00:13:58.509 to the outcry and is prioritizing keeping the 00:13:58.509 --> 00:14:01.549 public lands public and making them meaningfully 00:14:01.549 --> 00:14:04.629 accessible. Rather than locking up lands behind 00:14:04.629 --> 00:14:06.950 legal barriers or selling them off to the highest 00:14:06.950 --> 00:14:10.429 bidder, these combined policy moves support the 00:14:10.429 --> 00:14:12.990 active engagement, responsible recreation, and 00:14:12.990 --> 00:14:15.649 localized land management, giving adventurers, 00:14:15.789 --> 00:14:18.769 volunteers, and local stakeholders a renewed 00:14:18.769 --> 00:14:21.610 role in how these landscapes are accessed and 00:14:21.610 --> 00:14:25.149 cared for. Is this a win for recreation and conservation? 00:14:26.350 --> 00:14:30.769 From the article, it seems like it's a balancing 00:14:30.769 --> 00:14:33.649 act, which, okay, yeah, it says right here. Do 00:14:33.649 --> 00:14:37.730 environmentalists have, oh, I'm sorry, do environmentalists 00:14:37.730 --> 00:14:40.330 have any legitimate concerns on these topics, 00:14:40.409 --> 00:14:42.809 or is this a win for conservation and recreation? 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.139 The reality is more nuanced than a simple win 00:14:46.139 --> 00:14:49.539 for conservation and recreation. The rescission 00:14:49.539 --> 00:14:51.419 of the roadless rule and the removal of land 00:14:51.419 --> 00:14:54.960 sale provisions had different implications. And 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.320 while some outcomes may benefit overlanders, 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:01.039 the forest management, others may come with tradeoffs. 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.960 What might happen that could be a negative, I 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:10.559 guess, would be habitat fragmentation. Building 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:12.820 new roads, no matter how limited, can fragment 00:15:12.820 --> 00:15:15.759 wildlife corridors and introduce invasive species, 00:15:16.019 --> 00:15:19.399 noise, and pollution into previously undisturbed 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:24.320 ecosystems. Precedent for resource extraction? 00:15:26.299 --> 00:15:30.240 Yes. The original roadless rule was created in 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.500 part to protect forests from logging and mining, 00:15:32.659 --> 00:15:37.169 even if the intent has improved recreation. access 00:15:37.169 --> 00:15:40.450 or fire management the rules rollback could open 00:15:40.450 --> 00:15:42.830 the door to commercial interest in remote public 00:15:42.830 --> 00:15:47.350 lands the loss of ecological preserves roadless 00:15:47.350 --> 00:15:50.370 areas are in some of the are some of the last 00:15:50.370 --> 00:15:52.929 semi -pristine places in the u .s public lands 00:15:52.929 --> 00:15:56.350 converse wow i am really screwing this part up 00:15:56.350 --> 00:15:59.710 conservationists worry that increased access 00:15:59.710 --> 00:16:03.980 could degrade the ecological integrity Subtraction 00:16:03.980 --> 00:16:07.820 of public land sales. Generally seen as a win 00:16:07.820 --> 00:16:11.159 for conservation, most environmental groups and 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.179 reduction advocates supported this move, keeping 00:16:14.179 --> 00:16:18.100 the public lands in public hands and help safeguard 00:16:18.100 --> 00:16:20.980 public access for non -motorized and motorized 00:16:20.980 --> 00:16:25.120 users alike. It helps the habitat protection 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.779 under federal oversight and long -term stewardship 00:16:28.779 --> 00:16:32.539 rather than short -term. So yeah, that was the 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:35.240 the two articles from Northology Adventures, 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.340 July edition anyway, that I'm going to read. 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:40.500 And then I'm just going to go over some of the 00:16:40.500 --> 00:16:45.600 things that are in the magazine itself. So we 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:49.899 do have one of our Michigan guys in here. That 00:16:49.899 --> 00:16:54.399 would be on the rig profile. And that's Mitchell 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:58.799 McPherson in his 2020 Toyota Tacoma. Mitchell 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:01.960 lives in Traverse City. He's a police officer. 00:17:02.379 --> 00:17:09.579 And he has a 3 .5 liter V6. And it's got the 00:17:09.579 --> 00:17:12.400 auto factory rear locker with diff breather. 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:16.079 They asked him why did he choose this vehicle. 00:17:16.259 --> 00:17:19.460 And he said the GX470 is an awesome mix of capability, 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:23.359 reliability, and ruggedness. And space for my 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.599 family of six. So I think that might have gotten 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:31.759 mixed up because I know Mitchell. He doesn't 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:35.319 have a GX470, and he's got a Tacoma, so I'll 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:37.680 have to let her know about that. Suspension. 00:17:38.259 --> 00:17:42.420 He's got Dobinson 2 -3 inch IMS shocks, springs, 00:17:42.740 --> 00:17:47.180 800 -pound rear leaf springs, and Falcon Wildpeak 00:17:47.180 --> 00:17:53.160 AT3s, 285 -75 -16, JBA upper control arms. He's 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.500 got the Backwood Adventure mods. front bumper 00:17:56.500 --> 00:18:00.039 and badlands 12 000 pound winch and so far it's 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.380 been pretty awesome combination the bumper is 00:18:02.380 --> 00:18:04.839 lightweight due to being both aluminum and steel 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:09.940 a mixture his camping setup he's got a lu cab 00:18:09.940 --> 00:18:12.779 canopy camper it's the best setup i've ever had 00:18:12.779 --> 00:18:16.880 he says uh however it is a commitment it has 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.660 a 270 awning and a shower room and the outside 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:21.920 Now on the inside of the camper I have an EcoFlow 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.420 power station, an EcoFlow alternator charger, 00:18:24.619 --> 00:18:26.599 and a deep cycle battery for my diesel heater. 00:18:26.900 --> 00:18:29.359 There is also an Iseco fridge in the back that 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:31.480 keeps me off -grid longer and it makes travel 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:34.500 simple. Other than that, those are the pretty 00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:37.420 major additions. The rest remains pretty simple. 00:18:37.579 --> 00:18:40.339 Blue water jugs, Coleman stove, and everything 00:18:40.339 --> 00:18:43.819 else you need for basic camping. Next on the 00:18:43.819 --> 00:18:46.420 build list will be a high clearance rear bumper. 00:18:46.740 --> 00:18:50.849 Not sure which brand yet. What outdoor activities 00:18:50.849 --> 00:18:52.769 and hobbies does he like? He will occasionally 00:18:52.769 --> 00:18:55.589 take mountain bikes or my dual sport motorcycle. 00:18:55.990 --> 00:18:58.869 Almost always have hiking boots and a swimsuit 00:18:58.869 --> 00:19:01.589 for those beautiful Michigan days. And what does 00:19:01.589 --> 00:19:04.829 overlanding or remote travel mean to you? Vehicle 00:19:04.829 --> 00:19:07.450 -based exploration where you can be self -sufficient. 00:19:07.690 --> 00:19:12.690 That's a good one. So you can see Mitchell's 00:19:12.690 --> 00:19:17.730 social media profile at MMC Thiersen Media. So 00:19:17.730 --> 00:19:23.250 MMC. P -H -E -R -S -O -N Media. I believe that's 00:19:23.250 --> 00:19:25.369 on Instagram. He's got a pretty cool Tacoma. 00:19:25.430 --> 00:19:29.210 He's a very nice guy. And yeah, check him out. 00:19:29.329 --> 00:19:33.509 So what else we got here? We got the usual New 00:19:33.509 --> 00:19:37.650 Holland Overland LLC. It's a West Michigan -based 00:19:37.650 --> 00:19:41.150 adventure vehicle outfitting company. You have 00:19:41.150 --> 00:19:44.109 the Dead Miners, which we probably talked about 00:19:44.109 --> 00:19:48.509 earlier. Dead Miners is super... There's, like, 00:19:48.549 --> 00:19:51.190 a super cool, like, website. They got a bunch 00:19:51.190 --> 00:19:53.549 of, like, handmade stuff, a bunch of cool little, 00:19:53.609 --> 00:19:56.470 like, not knickknacks, but you know what I mean. 00:19:57.450 --> 00:20:01.170 Yeah, they got some articles on this for paddle 00:20:01.170 --> 00:20:05.529 gear. They got, you know, your typical, the radio 00:20:05.529 --> 00:20:10.170 chatter stuff. They try to mix it up, and they 00:20:10.170 --> 00:20:12.730 have these same, a couple of the same guys in 00:20:12.730 --> 00:20:14.970 here because I'm sure they either sponsor it 00:20:14.970 --> 00:20:18.869 or something like that. it's it is still cool 00:20:18.869 --> 00:20:21.950 seeing and like all these links in the magazine 00:20:21.950 --> 00:20:26.089 you can usually click on them and and see kind 00:20:26.089 --> 00:20:28.910 of the website like that's kind of how we discovered 00:20:28.910 --> 00:20:31.250 some of these things on here in the first place 00:20:31.250 --> 00:20:34.450 so uh then they have like pictures of like uh 00:20:34.450 --> 00:20:36.849 people over landing and like where they're going 00:20:36.849 --> 00:20:40.150 and and just pictures of the activity in general 00:20:40.150 --> 00:20:45.549 um yeah i they have all sorts of cool stuff and 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:49.279 Let's see, they have a part about charity and 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.099 stewardship programs that they have that they're 00:20:52.099 --> 00:20:56.900 working with. It looks like Aero, Blue Ribbon, 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:01.619 Idaho State 4x4, Tread Lightly. So they got, 00:21:01.700 --> 00:21:05.000 yeah, a lot of different stuff in there. And 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:07.079 then they have a directory towards the end, which 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:11.039 helps with common navigation, camping gear, the 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.769 Momentum podcast for more expo. They have the 00:21:14.769 --> 00:21:18.789 Northwoods Overland Adventure, which is like 00:21:18.789 --> 00:21:23.569 a community. And they have Overland Radio, Orbis 00:21:23.569 --> 00:21:27.690 Overlanding. They're doing a Crawl for the Cure 00:21:27.690 --> 00:21:31.690 21st anniversary. They've raised over $1 .7 million 00:21:31.690 --> 00:21:36.950 since 2005, which is super, super, super cool. 00:21:37.109 --> 00:21:39.109 And then they have the Rigs and Coffee schedule. 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:44.000 And that is for Midwest 4x4s in Hudsonville, 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:45.680 Michigan, which you can look up on Facebook. 00:21:46.579 --> 00:21:54.359 The next one, I believe, is 7 -27. Then they 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:59.759 have 8 -24, 9 -28, and 10 -26. Those are the 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.579 upcoming dates on that. So, yeah, pretty cool 00:22:02.579 --> 00:22:04.880 stuff. Northology is really cool to kind of get 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:08.839 that, kind of learn about, you know, the local. 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.000 some of the local stuff going on around here 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:15.799 in the, I guess, Midwest. Some people don't consider 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.700 us Midwest, but I kind of lump us in there. So, 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.519 yeah, it's pretty cool. I would check it out 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:26.539 if you guys haven't already. Otherwise, I'm going 00:22:26.539 --> 00:22:29.759 to kind of shift gears here, and we're going 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:33.519 to talk about my plan. So in the wrap, I didn't 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.640 actually put, you know, some of the stuff I had. 00:22:38.109 --> 00:22:40.190 Just got done with spring kids camp a couple 00:22:40.190 --> 00:22:45.349 weeks ago. That was great. You know, you've heard 00:22:45.349 --> 00:22:49.609 about that. And my power steering went out or 00:22:49.609 --> 00:22:53.130 was going out and was eating my belt. So I waited 00:22:53.130 --> 00:22:57.210 for my parts there, got my parts back, and started 00:22:57.210 --> 00:23:00.170 working on that, which was a pain in the ass. 00:23:00.670 --> 00:23:03.349 The new power steering pump that I ordered, which, 00:23:03.410 --> 00:23:06.690 you know, granted, I bought a cheap one off of 00:23:06.690 --> 00:23:10.960 Rock Auto. But the outlets weren't in the exact 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:13.640 same position. So it kind of took some finagling 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:18.099 for me to get the old connections back to where 00:23:18.099 --> 00:23:21.099 they were. So like the hose outlet wasn't exactly 00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:24.660 the same. It was a little more back. There was 00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:29.960 a bolt hole for the harness like to clip onto 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.220 to keep it away from things. And then there was 00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:38.859 a ground wire bolt. Those were both super, super 00:23:38.859 --> 00:23:43.160 hard to get to. And not only that, they were 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:45.420 in different positions. So if you were to hook 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:48.400 it up the correct way, you couldn't really get 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.980 them to hook the same way where the ground cable 00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:58.559 hooks up versus where the clip holder was at. 00:23:59.500 --> 00:24:03.059 So a lot of that was us trying to figure out 00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:04.619 how that would work. And then once I figured 00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:07.670 it out, it was kind of just a holder. and didn't 00:24:07.670 --> 00:24:09.869 really matter and i figured a ground was a ground 00:24:09.869 --> 00:24:12.829 um they were two inches apart and the bolt holes 00:24:12.829 --> 00:24:15.690 were very similar looking we kind of jammed those 00:24:15.690 --> 00:24:20.750 into fit and kind of made it work so uh i refilled 00:24:20.750 --> 00:24:24.849 my power steering um fluid which i also didn't 00:24:24.849 --> 00:24:28.250 know was actually just transmission fluid and 00:24:28.250 --> 00:24:31.970 then we burped the heck out of it which uh was 00:24:31.970 --> 00:24:35.940 you know just turning to full lock on both directions 00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:39.019 about a million times until you got most of the 00:24:39.019 --> 00:24:43.220 air out of the system i put a new belt on i rechecked 00:24:43.220 --> 00:24:44.960 all my pulleys to make sure there wasn't any 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:49.160 wobbling anything like that made sure my tensioner 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.519 was tensioning my belt correctly and then put 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.480 everything back together and so far so good so 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:59.119 it took a little while for the power steering 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:01.819 to clear up a little bit and get back to where 00:25:01.819 --> 00:25:06.910 it was But otherwise, it's been good. So hopefully 00:25:06.910 --> 00:25:11.190 we are ready for the West UP exploration trip 00:25:11.190 --> 00:25:13.230 that we're going to be doing here in about a 00:25:13.230 --> 00:25:16.950 week. And that is going to be starting from my 00:25:16.950 --> 00:25:24.710 house here in Grant area to the West UP. It's 00:25:24.710 --> 00:25:27.009 going to be like Braga, Copper Harbor, that kind 00:25:27.009 --> 00:25:30.329 of area over there. So it looks like it's going 00:25:30.329 --> 00:25:35.250 to be... Probably close to 1 ,200 miles to 1 00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:41.630 ,600 miles through, you know, trails and between, 00:25:41.829 --> 00:25:45.730 I don't know, basic, or not basic, but, you know, 00:25:45.769 --> 00:25:49.710 basic roads between the trails and some other 00:25:49.710 --> 00:25:54.390 stuff. So we're going to, you know, start, either 00:25:54.390 --> 00:25:57.750 leave Wednesday night or Thursday, and then we're 00:25:57.750 --> 00:26:01.750 going to move. up to uh i was gonna be what area 00:26:01.750 --> 00:26:06.750 here um next you know hog island point state 00:26:06.750 --> 00:26:09.250 or you know close to nob and way we're gonna 00:26:09.250 --> 00:26:12.670 camp in nob and way area probably thursday night 00:26:12.670 --> 00:26:15.890 um and then we're gonna do uh like friday we're 00:26:15.890 --> 00:26:20.950 gonna take the big trek um west until we get 00:26:20.950 --> 00:26:24.650 to the you know i think it's ironwood area uh 00:26:24.650 --> 00:26:27.839 gladstone In the UP, and then we're going to 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:31.140 take trails pretty much all the way up to Copper 00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:33.640 Harbor. We're going to try and hit some of these 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:39.599 bigger touristy areas. But, I mean, my wife has 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.680 never been to the West UP. The farthest west 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:48.019 we've been is Lance, or Leance, Lance. So, it's 00:26:48.019 --> 00:26:49.940 going to be really cool for her. We're going 00:26:49.940 --> 00:26:54.559 to see a lot of... A lot of things that we typically 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.420 don't get to see down here in the lower peninsula, 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:00.920 we don't have the massive amounts of rock that 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.099 they have up here. We're more of like sand and 00:27:03.099 --> 00:27:07.079 mud. They're more like rock, sand, and mud, with 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.700 rock being a lot more prevalent. So a lot more 00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:14.299 cliffs, that type of thing, like granite rock 00:27:14.299 --> 00:27:18.680 faces, which is super cool to me. I always love 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:20.599 it when we cross the bridge and almost immediately 00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.859 after we cross the bridge, you start to see like 00:27:23.859 --> 00:27:27.019 these reddish rock faces on the left and right 00:27:27.019 --> 00:27:31.599 side of the highway. And it's like, dude, it's 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:33.299 like you just went into a whole different country. 00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:36.440 I've never been to Colorado, but that would be 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.859 the way that I compare it. It would be like going 00:27:39.859 --> 00:27:44.319 to Colorado because it's just beach, mud. There's 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:48.470 not any rock cliff. kind of things in lower peninsula 00:27:48.470 --> 00:27:52.710 and it's just everywhere up in the upper peninsula 00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:57.210 it's it's how it is and so that also brings like 00:27:57.210 --> 00:28:03.089 uh super cool rock faces and waterfalls and uh 00:28:03.089 --> 00:28:06.609 you know like pictured rocks lakeshore and and 00:28:06.609 --> 00:28:09.230 stuff like that that you don't get to see in 00:28:09.230 --> 00:28:11.849 the lower peninsula so it really genuinely feels 00:28:11.849 --> 00:28:16.779 like a coastal uh state you know with the cliffs 00:28:16.779 --> 00:28:19.319 and the rock face and all that so and then you 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.079 know you're right on lake superior which if you've 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.140 never been it really does get compared to the 00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.859 ocean quite a bit a lot of a lot of people who 00:28:27.859 --> 00:28:30.559 haven't been over here kind of think about that 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.460 and they're like yeah i don't it's it's not but 00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:36.119 if you look at it the way that it acts the way 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:39.359 that it looks it acts and looks a lot like an 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.319 ocean because of how large it is of course it 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:45.119 doesn't it's not salt water And it doesn't have 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:47.200 the same ecosystem and fish and blah, blah, blah. 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:50.339 I think you get the picture, but it's just the 00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:52.339 way that it acts. I mean, if you look at some 00:28:52.339 --> 00:28:54.900 of the statistics behind Lake Superior and how 00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:57.160 big it is, it's one of the biggest inland lakes 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:01.740 in the world. So it's pretty cool. And you get 00:29:01.740 --> 00:29:04.140 out to the coast and just about as far as you 00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:07.339 can see, you can just barely see a tinge of land 00:29:07.339 --> 00:29:11.500 sometimes. And it's cooler up there. It's going 00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:15.859 to be really nice. I'm assuming and am planning 00:29:15.859 --> 00:29:20.960 for colder nights into the 40s, 50s. So that's 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.880 going to be really nice. I love sleeping in that 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.720 weather. It's like perfect for me. My wife is 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.039 a little bit more of a chilly blood, so she would 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.279 rather it be in the early 70s to sleep in. But 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.799 I'm cool with that. 50s is good. Me and my son 00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.039 are cool with that. He's warm -blooded too, so 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.039 we'll have fun with that. But we're going to 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.279 try and see a couple waterfalls. I think Bond 00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.619 Falls is on the way. We're going to go check 00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:51.319 out a mine or two. And we're going to try to 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.339 get up to the Keweenaw Peninsula, which is the 00:29:53.339 --> 00:29:57.140 top, I guess I would call it horn of the UP. 00:29:57.579 --> 00:29:59.559 It's funny, the UP kind of looks like a side 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.480 profile of like a pterodactyl almost. So it would 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.259 be like the top horn of the pterodactyl. So we're 00:30:06.259 --> 00:30:10.319 going to go all the way up to the top. peak of 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.160 it and then we're gonna check out they have like 00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.619 a it's called copper harbor we're probably gonna 00:30:15.619 --> 00:30:17.500 check that out a little bit we're gonna check 00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:23.940 out um the the barraga like keystone cut there's 00:30:23.940 --> 00:30:26.599 a couple like cool little trails around there 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.599 um and then we're gonna probably try to head 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:36.220 down to gay michigan and gay michigan actually 00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:39.849 has a beach that was actually almost i think 00:30:39.849 --> 00:30:42.690 if i remember right it was made completely off 00:30:42.690 --> 00:30:47.589 of waste uh from the mill so it's like a bunch 00:30:47.589 --> 00:30:51.009 of like sand and and waste off of the mill so 00:30:51.009 --> 00:30:55.210 it's like a dark gray um sand color and so we're 00:30:55.210 --> 00:30:58.230 gonna check that out and then we're gonna check 00:30:58.230 --> 00:31:01.609 out the old launch pad uh there was a missile 00:31:01.609 --> 00:31:04.609 launch or a rocket launch pad that was there 00:31:04.609 --> 00:31:10.279 from The 50s back when, what was it? I can't 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.799 remember what it's called. I'm sorry, 50s. 60s 00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.019 when we were doing the, what is it, Stargate, 00:31:17.420 --> 00:31:22.400 Overlord, Overwatch, whatever that was, the race 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.259 was there. But yeah, there's an old rocket launch 00:31:26.259 --> 00:31:28.180 pad over there that we're going to check out. 00:31:29.140 --> 00:31:31.910 Like I said, a couple of... A couple of mines, 00:31:32.230 --> 00:31:35.990 a bunch of waterfalls and sites to see over here. 00:31:36.670 --> 00:31:38.890 I know that we're going to do a mine tour at 00:31:38.890 --> 00:31:41.509 some point. We're going to probably head through 00:31:41.509 --> 00:31:45.329 Houghton, which is a really beautiful area, and 00:31:45.329 --> 00:31:47.329 take the trails around that. And then I'm probably 00:31:47.329 --> 00:31:50.990 going to finish it off by going to the Porcupine 00:31:50.990 --> 00:31:54.730 Mountains. If you've never seen or never been 00:31:54.730 --> 00:31:58.990 to Michigan and you've never got to see or experience... 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:03.000 anything uh like that i would definitely suggest 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.019 going to porcupine mountains um they're one of 00:32:06.019 --> 00:32:09.119 the few mountain ranges in michigan most of them 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:12.460 are in the up i think there's porcupine and then 00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:14.759 there's like mount arvon something like that 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:16.759 there's there's not much and they're not super 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.000 crazy high either but um porcupine mountains 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.779 is unique because it has a lake like in the actual 00:32:24.779 --> 00:32:28.299 mountain area if that makes sense so the lake 00:32:28.299 --> 00:32:32.410 is referred to i think is referred to and or 00:32:32.410 --> 00:32:35.670 named lake of the clouds because it's in the 00:32:35.670 --> 00:32:39.670 mountain system um and and typically on on the 00:32:39.670 --> 00:32:42.829 days it's higher up in elevation so it's you 00:32:42.829 --> 00:32:45.130 know lake in the clouds it's in the mountains 00:32:45.130 --> 00:32:49.049 so one of the one of the few lakes located in 00:32:49.049 --> 00:32:52.950 mountains so it's very very very beautiful um 00:32:52.950 --> 00:32:55.630 and if you do any kind of overlanding or anything 00:32:55.630 --> 00:32:58.299 in michigan it's it's Definitely something that 00:32:58.299 --> 00:33:01.279 you have to check out. If you are in Michigan 00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:05.759 and you're looking for crazy cool places to explore, 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.640 if you're overlanding Michigan in general and 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.460 you're like, where's the cool spots? Where's 00:33:12.460 --> 00:33:16.599 the nature and the cool spots that I want to 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.380 see? I would tell you as someone who lives in 00:33:19.380 --> 00:33:21.859 the Lower Peninsula, the Lower Peninsula is beautiful. 00:33:22.410 --> 00:33:25.369 you have like the sand uh i'm sorry stan lake 00:33:25.369 --> 00:33:30.029 uh you have like the sleeping bear dunes um you 00:33:30.029 --> 00:33:34.190 have um gosh i don't know why i can't think of 00:33:34.190 --> 00:33:37.490 it now but you have like the uh the dunes for 00:33:37.490 --> 00:33:39.829 like you know all the buggies and stuff go on 00:33:39.829 --> 00:33:42.470 too and that's cool like you could drive on it 00:33:42.470 --> 00:33:45.549 in the sand and if you like Bumping around in 00:33:45.549 --> 00:33:48.509 beach sand and stuff like that and getting rowdy 00:33:48.509 --> 00:33:50.569 and stuff. It's cool. I mean, you can't camp 00:33:50.569 --> 00:33:54.289 on it, so that sucks. But as far as, like, overlanding 00:33:54.289 --> 00:33:56.349 stuff goes, other than, you know, the trails 00:33:56.349 --> 00:33:58.309 are beautiful down in lower Michigan. Don't get 00:33:58.309 --> 00:34:01.569 me wrong, but as someone who lives in lower Michigan, 00:34:01.670 --> 00:34:04.910 my advice would be pretty much stick to the upper 00:34:04.910 --> 00:34:09.869 peninsula of Michigan, really. Start down by, 00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:13.429 like, Charlevoix, which is the lower peninsula. 00:34:14.139 --> 00:34:17.639 Um, and I mean, if you do like touristy stuff, 00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:21.800 the West coast of Michigan down the West coast, 00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:24.199 if you follow the roads down there, you get all 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.780 cool little West coast towns that are beautiful 00:34:26.780 --> 00:34:30.340 little areas. But if you, I always try to start 00:34:30.340 --> 00:34:32.440 around Charlevoix cause that's kind of when things 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.929 start to get really like beautiful. Um, and then 00:34:35.929 --> 00:34:39.050 I, I take up Mackinac city is pretty cool. Mackinac 00:34:39.050 --> 00:34:41.510 Island, as far as like tourist attraction goes, 00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:44.769 um, Mackinac Island's like one of the most popular 00:34:44.769 --> 00:34:48.010 tourist attractions in Michigan. And then for 00:34:48.010 --> 00:34:51.389 the off roaders, um, Drummond Island is the most 00:34:51.389 --> 00:34:54.909 popular. So Drummond Island has a, is kind of 00:34:54.909 --> 00:34:57.969 in the, just up in the UP. They have ferries 00:34:57.969 --> 00:35:00.530 that go onto the Island and Drummond Island actually 00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:05.309 has like actual like rock face, like. rock configurations 00:35:05.309 --> 00:35:08.409 that people have been wheeling on for a long 00:35:08.409 --> 00:35:12.889 long time so uh they have a bunch of trails on 00:35:12.889 --> 00:35:15.010 drummond island and it's the hardest stuff that 00:35:15.010 --> 00:35:18.929 you're gonna get in the michigan area um as far 00:35:18.929 --> 00:35:22.550 as like technical rock terrain goes and then 00:35:22.550 --> 00:35:26.769 once you get over into uh you know the up there's 00:35:26.769 --> 00:35:29.030 a bunch of like i'll name some of the touristy 00:35:29.030 --> 00:35:31.699 things like what's the the go -to thing to do 00:35:31.699 --> 00:35:35.199 in the UP and it's like Muldoon's Muldoon's is 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:41.000 like a pasty, uh, like shop and a pasty or pasty. 00:35:41.019 --> 00:35:42.920 That's like one of the Michigan arguments is 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.900 what, how is it said? But, uh, uh, a pasty is 00:35:46.900 --> 00:35:51.400 like this. Um, I would compare it to like shepherd's 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:55.239 pie almost, or like, uh, you know, she got meat 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:58.440 potatoes, like a little gravy type thing in it. 00:35:58.539 --> 00:36:02.400 Um, Oh, Yeah, it comes with gravy, but it's like 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.659 meat, potatoes, and corn. It can have a variety 00:36:07.659 --> 00:36:11.340 of different things in it. And it's wrapped up 00:36:11.340 --> 00:36:17.000 into like a bun, like a bread. This is going 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.699 to sound super stupid, but look it up when I'm 00:36:19.699 --> 00:36:22.599 done telling you. And it was originally created 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:24.780 as like a miner's meal, if I remember right, 00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:30.059 from reading. It has... this big bubble shape 00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:32.019 i guess if you were to make a fist it was about 00:36:32.019 --> 00:36:35.179 the size of your fist and then has a really really 00:36:35.179 --> 00:36:39.619 big crust rind on one side and apparently from 00:36:39.619 --> 00:36:43.559 what i read when i was there um that women used 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.179 to like make this for their husband for minors 00:36:46.179 --> 00:36:51.280 um and they would eat the the pastry all the 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.440 way down to that big crust that crust was really 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.739 really big it's not like a pie crust it's If 00:36:57.739 --> 00:37:01.460 you were to make a O with your hands, the crust 00:37:01.460 --> 00:37:07.099 would be about the same girth as that O. So it's 00:37:07.099 --> 00:37:09.179 really hard trying to explain it over a podcast. 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:14.380 So they would actually eat it from the rind or 00:37:14.380 --> 00:37:18.539 the crust, and then once they ate to that rind, 00:37:18.579 --> 00:37:22.130 they would throw the rind away. Because typically 00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:25.369 the miners up there were working with like arsenic 00:37:25.369 --> 00:37:28.949 or whatever, like poisonous mining material. 00:37:29.409 --> 00:37:33.730 So they had that all over their hands. So that's 00:37:33.730 --> 00:37:36.349 kind of like how they would mitigate that risk. 00:37:37.510 --> 00:37:40.750 Nowadays, obviously, we have some different practices 00:37:40.750 --> 00:37:43.570 and we kind of eat lunches different. But I think 00:37:43.570 --> 00:37:45.949 that's the main type of story with that is that. 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:50.079 that they had this big pastry with almost a handle 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.159 because that was kind of what it was used like. 00:37:52.900 --> 00:37:55.219 And they would eat up until they got to that 00:37:55.219 --> 00:37:57.739 crust made handle. And then they would throw 00:37:57.739 --> 00:38:00.719 that away. That way they weren't poisoning themselves 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.159 with the mining material and byproduct they have 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:06.599 on their hands. So kind of a cool little piece 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.460 of history. So everybody who comes into Michigan. 00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:12.900 Uh, the upper peninsula goes to Mackinac Island 00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:15.800 and gets the famous Mackinac Island fudge. That's 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.880 like, everybody knows about that. And then they 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.719 get pasties. Those are like the two, those are 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.179 the two main foods up there. So, uh, and then, 00:38:25.219 --> 00:38:27.500 so once you do that, you check that off your 00:38:27.500 --> 00:38:31.159 list. Um, most people like going to the Sioux 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:35.340 locks. Um, Sioux St. Marie is the town where 00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:39.019 that's at. So we have a locks from Canada to. 00:38:40.030 --> 00:38:42.869 You know, in Michigan where the freighters will 00:38:42.869 --> 00:38:45.510 pass through to get to different parts of the 00:38:45.510 --> 00:38:49.309 Great Lakes. The Soo Locks is that bridge. Freighters 00:38:49.309 --> 00:38:53.670 will come in through Sault Ste. Marie. It'll 00:38:53.670 --> 00:38:56.909 change the water level. And then they'll come 00:38:56.909 --> 00:38:59.090 out down what I think is called the St. Mary's 00:38:59.090 --> 00:39:04.530 River. And they'll go into Lake Huron. And, you 00:39:04.530 --> 00:39:06.050 know, they kind of go through that Canada there. 00:39:06.349 --> 00:39:09.690 There's also a, I think, a bridge to Canada up 00:39:09.690 --> 00:39:11.610 there around Sault Ste. Marie as well. So if 00:39:11.610 --> 00:39:13.349 you want to get to Canada, you can go through 00:39:13.349 --> 00:39:16.909 Sault Ste. Marie. What else? So one of the biggest 00:39:16.909 --> 00:39:23.349 tourist attractions in the east part of, I mean, 00:39:23.389 --> 00:39:26.570 and this is other than lighthouses, because a 00:39:26.570 --> 00:39:28.230 lot of people when they come up there, they're 00:39:28.230 --> 00:39:30.369 like searching out lighthouses and stuff like 00:39:30.369 --> 00:39:34.050 that. So other than that would be like the waterfalls 00:39:34.050 --> 00:39:37.860 in Upper Peninsula. Those are known for it, and 00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:43.059 the most known waterfall in the UP is Tacuamanon 00:39:43.059 --> 00:39:46.639 Falls. Tacuamanon has an upper and a lower falls. 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.519 They have a whole thing built around it, Tacuamanon 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:56.760 State Forest and that whole thing. And if you've 00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.719 never been there, go there. It's absolutely gorgeous. 00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:04.440 They have lots of cool boardwalks. a hard four 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.920 and a half mile hike from the lower to the upper 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.920 falls and if you like hiking it's absolutely 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:13.659 gorgeous and you would love it and then they 00:40:13.659 --> 00:40:15.699 have usually a shuttle that'll take you back 00:40:15.699 --> 00:40:18.079 down to the lower falls if you don't want to 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:22.239 do the down and back but the taquaman falls it's 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.639 absolutely gorgeous bringing your walking shoes 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:27.340 and it's one of those things that if you go there 00:40:27.340 --> 00:40:30.539 you have to see it it's beautiful um if you're 00:40:30.539 --> 00:40:34.360 over landing I would recommend a campsite at 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.940 the mouth of the Two -Hearted River. So it's 00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:41.880 Two -Hearted, mouth of the Two -Hearted Campground 00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:45.840 or Two -Hearted Campground. It's absolutely beautiful. 00:40:46.139 --> 00:40:50.179 A bunch of rock hounds go there as well as Crisp 00:40:50.179 --> 00:40:53.800 Point Lighthouse. Also really, really beautiful. 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.820 Tons of rock hound stuff there. And then once 00:40:56.820 --> 00:40:59.670 you get into... Like, what else do I want to 00:40:59.670 --> 00:41:01.889 see? You kind of go along the top coast of the 00:41:01.889 --> 00:41:06.630 UP, and you get into, like, Grand Marais. Grand 00:41:06.630 --> 00:41:09.690 Marais is like a little bay area. It's got a 00:41:09.690 --> 00:41:13.230 bunch of cute little shops and gift stuff. It's 00:41:13.230 --> 00:41:15.750 really, really cool, and it's one of the bigger 00:41:15.750 --> 00:41:19.010 towns you will get to. And then if you keep going 00:41:19.010 --> 00:41:21.849 left, you'll pass a bunch of hiking. So if you 00:41:21.849 --> 00:41:25.969 like hiking, the UP is fantastic for that. I 00:41:25.969 --> 00:41:28.559 mean, you have pictured lots. uh rocks which 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:33.719 is uh a little bit more west i believe and pictured 00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.059 rocks is really beautiful you can go and do like 00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:39.800 the pictured rocks tour and that's like super 00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:42.460 popular and they are gorgeous like it's if you've 00:41:42.460 --> 00:41:44.739 never seen them before they're really cool you 00:41:44.739 --> 00:41:47.739 should do it um it is one of the most common 00:41:47.739 --> 00:41:49.739 things in there is like you have the shipwreck 00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:53.659 tour you have whitefish point which has like 00:41:53.659 --> 00:41:56.699 the shipwreck museum You have, like, the pictured 00:41:56.699 --> 00:42:01.059 rock tours. Then you have, like, the mining tours. 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:06.780 So, I mean, northern UP, basically the whole 00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:10.639 thing was off of, like, shipping for logs or 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.260 mining. I mean, it was a big, big mine, a mine 00:42:14.260 --> 00:42:19.159 thing. So as far as, like, the islands go, Isle 00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.900 Royale is, like, one of the best hiking islands 00:42:21.900 --> 00:42:25.139 there is. It's a whole different. A whole different 00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:28.539 ballgame. If you want to do one of the coolest 00:42:28.539 --> 00:42:32.639 and one of the most remote hiking places in the 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.699 surrounding Michigan area, Isle Royale is the 00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:39.980 way to go. Super, super cool. Then you have Grand 00:42:39.980 --> 00:42:46.380 Island. It's not really a bunch there. Cool towns 00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:51.460 like Munising. Let's see. Then you get into Marquette. 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.889 Marquette is a gorgeous town. um that's gonna 00:42:54.889 --> 00:43:00.110 be like your biggest town in the like upper peninsula 00:43:00.110 --> 00:43:04.170 area that i'm i'm talking about um the next biggest 00:43:04.170 --> 00:43:06.650 one is like east so you have like marquette and 00:43:06.650 --> 00:43:09.010 then you have sault ste marie so if you need 00:43:09.010 --> 00:43:11.510 anything really important like a walmart or something 00:43:11.510 --> 00:43:14.869 like that like to get shoes like i did um yeah 00:43:14.869 --> 00:43:17.590 you have those two to choose from so marquette's 00:43:17.590 --> 00:43:20.280 actually I mean, super gorgeous. Like the old 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.039 town part of it is just beautiful. Made mostly 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.940 out of like the, uh, the granite rock from the 00:43:25.940 --> 00:43:29.340 surrounding area. So it's like red, super beautiful. 00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:33.480 Then you get to like Lance and from Marquette 00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.159 to Lance is when things start to go crazy. Like 00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:40.639 the trails get really cool. The waterfalls, I 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:42.980 mean, they're everywhere on the way. Like you 00:43:42.980 --> 00:43:45.179 can look up, you could find waterfalls everywhere. 00:43:46.259 --> 00:43:48.820 Start looking for those. And then once you get 00:43:48.820 --> 00:43:51.960 to like Lance, that's kind of like the, that's 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.119 like where we stopped at last time. And then 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.800 there is all sorts of different things to do, 00:43:57.860 --> 00:43:59.739 like Copper Harbor. I mean, it's called Copper 00:43:59.739 --> 00:44:01.880 Harbor for a reason. They have a bunch of copper 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.219 mines. They have the launch pad up there. They 00:44:04.219 --> 00:44:07.179 have the Keweenaw Peninsula, which is great trails 00:44:07.179 --> 00:44:11.599 and great sites. And there's tons, tons to see. 00:44:11.780 --> 00:44:17.929 There's mining tours. um lots of like gift shops 00:44:17.929 --> 00:44:21.409 and knickknack stuff that you can go uh the beaches 00:44:21.409 --> 00:44:24.269 are super super cool and there's tons of camping 00:44:24.269 --> 00:44:27.070 in the up too so there's like you're between 00:44:27.070 --> 00:44:29.670 camp spots and if you do dispersed camping like 00:44:29.670 --> 00:44:33.849 us there's no shortage of camp area um then you 00:44:33.849 --> 00:44:36.309 get to like uh you know they have the seven hour 00:44:36.309 --> 00:44:39.570 plane crash trail that goes from you know the 00:44:39.570 --> 00:44:42.869 up goes up from the keweenaw to wisconsin which 00:44:42.869 --> 00:44:46.050 i've heard now is quite boring but it's one of 00:44:46.050 --> 00:44:47.590 those things that i'm gonna just check off the 00:44:47.590 --> 00:44:49.889 list someday then you get west back into like 00:44:49.889 --> 00:44:52.630 porcupine mountains and as i kind of said earlier 00:44:52.630 --> 00:44:58.070 so there is tons of stuff to do in the up um 00:44:58.070 --> 00:45:03.429 you really can't do it all in one go like we're 00:45:03.429 --> 00:45:07.829 doing we're doing most of the west side in in 00:45:07.829 --> 00:45:11.110 five days the the big parts in five days and 00:45:11.110 --> 00:45:15.079 that's not enough it really isn't i mean I've 00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.800 done three to four trips and done the east side 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.460 to Lance. I've been to the UP quite a few times 00:45:22.460 --> 00:45:25.699 before, so I know all the other little attractions 00:45:25.699 --> 00:45:30.820 like Kitchetea Kippy and the arch on Mackinac 00:45:30.820 --> 00:45:34.440 Island and Mackinac Island as a whole. So I know 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.199 all the little attractions here and there. They 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:42.719 have an Oswald's, it's a bear sanctuary, stuff 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.079 like that. the mystery spot you know it's one 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.340 of those popular tourist destinations uh the 00:45:49.340 --> 00:45:52.179 youper i forget what it's called the youper store 00:45:52.179 --> 00:45:55.380 i think it is which is like a goofy little uh 00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:57.800 novelty store that's got it's like one of the 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.380 biggest novelty stores in michigan got a bunch 00:46:00.380 --> 00:46:03.239 of knickknacks in there like big tourist hit 00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.980 spot too and so they're like castle rock and 00:46:06.980 --> 00:46:09.150 stuff like that so Yeah, I've seen all that small 00:46:09.150 --> 00:46:11.449 stuff. I've been there. So I can kind of filter 00:46:11.449 --> 00:46:14.650 it out from what Sienna wants. So Sienna's my 00:46:14.650 --> 00:46:19.170 wife, and she's never been anywhere that I haven't 00:46:19.170 --> 00:46:23.230 taken her in the UP. So west of Leonce, she's 00:46:23.230 --> 00:46:26.269 never been to. So super excited to take her on 00:46:26.269 --> 00:46:29.090 this and for her to see all this stuff that she's 00:46:29.090 --> 00:46:32.329 never even seen before. It's like one of my great 00:46:32.329 --> 00:46:36.329 joys in life is to watch her. um experience that 00:46:36.329 --> 00:46:39.130 experience something new and just travel and 00:46:39.130 --> 00:46:42.750 adventure i love watching her um experience that 00:46:42.750 --> 00:46:45.969 so um and of course jasper is going to be there 00:46:45.969 --> 00:46:48.289 too so he's going to be experiencing all this 00:46:48.289 --> 00:46:51.530 stuff for the first time as well so double win 00:46:51.530 --> 00:46:54.829 for me i just have to drive i just gotta drive 00:46:54.829 --> 00:46:57.170 i gotta keep at it it's gonna be a long long 00:46:57.170 --> 00:47:01.110 drive uh we're hoping nothing goes wrong um as 00:47:01.110 --> 00:47:04.119 i think probably everybody does but It's going 00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:08.440 to be really fun. And, you know, I guess this 00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:10.820 kind of turned into, you know, from a Northology 00:47:10.820 --> 00:47:14.519 to really talking about my trip to the UP to 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.500 kind of talking about the UP in general because 00:47:17.500 --> 00:47:21.219 there really is a lot there. I don't think anybody 00:47:21.219 --> 00:47:24.900 really thinks about Michigan like that. Like 00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:28.039 when they think about overlanding, you have the 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:31.320 West Coast, you have the Ozarks, you have... 00:47:31.630 --> 00:47:35.489 like Oklahoma and some of those other spots but 00:47:35.489 --> 00:47:39.150 you don't really think of things like Maine like 00:47:39.150 --> 00:47:40.989 Maine's got some really cool trails on there 00:47:40.989 --> 00:47:43.730 too but yeah it's just it's not it's obviously 00:47:43.730 --> 00:47:46.550 not the same the the sites aren't quite the same 00:47:46.550 --> 00:47:49.250 the mountain ranges like there's crazy cool places 00:47:49.250 --> 00:47:53.269 and like the Carolinas and stuff to go and see 00:47:53.269 --> 00:47:57.250 in Tennessee or the mountain ranges I mean but 00:47:57.739 --> 00:48:01.019 Everybody already knows that. But Michigan kind 00:48:01.019 --> 00:48:04.280 of gets left behind, and it doesn't deserve the 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.880 hate, man. There's some gorgeous things to go 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.139 and see in Michigan. While it isn't the hardest 00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:13.719 and most challenging obstacle -wise, technical 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:18.420 wheeling -wise, for sights, it's on par with 00:48:18.420 --> 00:48:22.099 a lot of other places. People that have never 00:48:22.099 --> 00:48:24.480 been to Michigan, when they see the sights in 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.440 Michigan, they go, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, this 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.619 has some merit. Like, yeah, it's not the redwoods 00:48:30.619 --> 00:48:34.340 of California. It's not like Moab. It's not, 00:48:34.340 --> 00:48:37.659 you know, the Great Plains. But it's its own 00:48:37.659 --> 00:48:41.400 unique ecosystem, the forest, the trees, the 00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:45.260 woods, you know, cedar forests. Just gorgeous, 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:48.599 gorgeous area. And there's not a lot of places 00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.980 that have, you know, like ocean -like beaches 00:48:51.980 --> 00:48:55.579 in one place and then rocky cliff edges. And 00:48:55.579 --> 00:48:59.280 then mud. And then complete inland. It's just 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:04.239 such a diverse area. You know what I mean? It's 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.400 hot. It's cold. Michigan, I mean, known for its 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.380 mood swings and temperatures. I mean, one day 00:49:12.380 --> 00:49:15.880 it's 90 degrees. The nights are, you know, 50. 00:49:16.099 --> 00:49:20.260 The other day it's, you know, 50s and 40s at 00:49:20.260 --> 00:49:24.019 night. Like, it's super different. Michigan is... 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:27.659 very um because of the great lakes the the temperature 00:49:27.659 --> 00:49:29.820 varies quite a bit and in the up you have to 00:49:29.820 --> 00:49:34.300 pack for that too because in lower michigan you 00:49:34.300 --> 00:49:35.920 can pretty much guarantee that you're going to 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.500 get pretty warm weather you're pretty safe to 00:49:38.500 --> 00:49:42.239 not have to pack layers but when you're on that 00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.039 coast of lake superior man things can get chilly 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:48.099 i there was a couple days where i i did wear 00:49:48.099 --> 00:49:51.409 a sweatshirt until just about noon Just because 00:49:51.409 --> 00:49:53.809 there was quite a chill, you know, being, you 00:49:53.809 --> 00:49:57.070 know, 60, around that with the wind blowing everywhere, 00:49:57.409 --> 00:50:01.210 sun's, you know, a little cloudy, you know, stuff 00:50:01.210 --> 00:50:06.690 like that. I mean, crazy. But anyway, I thank 00:50:06.690 --> 00:50:09.510 you guys for listening on this. Me kind of blabber 00:50:09.510 --> 00:50:12.610 about the UP and blabber about Northology Magazine. 00:50:13.969 --> 00:50:16.449 Like I said, this is my bad kind of episode, 00:50:16.630 --> 00:50:21.329 so. I hope you guys enjoyed it. And I'm going 00:50:21.329 --> 00:50:24.030 to sit down and edit the crap out of this and 00:50:24.030 --> 00:50:27.510 get it ready to post. Get some chapter art. Get 00:50:27.510 --> 00:50:30.329 a makeup for my wrongdoings. I'm going to hammer 00:50:30.329 --> 00:50:33.510 down. And I will see you guys on the next one.