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finished product. It's great. I'm sure you guys
loved it. Not my fault. Yeah, my fault. 100 %
my fault. No, this chaotic. I did think it was
odd, but I was like, well, maybe he's just going
to fix that when he actually publishes it. No,
it's just the chaotic last couple weekends of
helping a buddy build a vehicle out just before
Leatherwood. Right down to the wire. I still
don't have a working rear locker, guys. You don't
need it. You'll be fine. I'm sure you'll be fine.
I don't have any. I've seen some of the stuff.
Okay. Okay. You're right. You're right. You have
a winch, right? That is usually a front and rear
locker. Speaking of my winch, I need to tell
you guys something. I went to correct my winch
line a little bit yesterday, and I let my winch
out, and then I hit the button to bring it in,
and it went click. And that was it. Oh, boy.
So I sat there just spamming the in button, and
then suddenly it started to spool in. Oh. So
say, did you have a bad preschool? No, no. I
think it's dying. So you're saying don't get
expo. Mark my words. Or leave expo. No. What
I'm saying is don't try to pull a FedEx truck
out from the ditch or from your house. I forgot
about that. No, I would say. With a winch that
is not even close to rated for it. Yeah, I was
going to say, I would check your duty times.
And you probably shouldn't pull tractors out
of mud pits with them. Yeah. So, like, I'm not
nice to my winch, guys. It's a tool. I use it
almost daily. So I'm assuming you don't really
pay attention to your duty cycle or anything.
What's a duty cycle? Okay. This guy. So now.
I'm sure it's like 10 minutes. We're probably
fine. Oh, boy. It's probably like one minute.
45 seconds. And I've definitely winched longer
than that. Yep. Haven't we all? Actually, I haven't
yet, but... It might be time for me to look at...
Maybe I'll get a hold of X -Bowl and be like,
yo, my winch is barely a year old and I broke
it. Do it. You did get one of the cheaper options.
I wonder if they have a warranty. Oh, shit. When
did I buy that thing? I don't know. It's got
a one -year warranty on it. Huh. I'm not sure.
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you got it after
drumming, but I could be wrong. Did our synthetic
rope guys, did they ever get a hold of us? I'll
check one second. I'm trying to figure out how
long ago I bought my winch. Aye, aye, Captain.
So bear with me, guys. I'm sure this is very
exhilarating content. While we're waiting, I'm
on the hunt for some silverware. I don't have
it. If anybody knows any, I want sturdy, maybe
steel, titanium, long silverware, but can be
compact. I know that sounds like that's a lot,
but I want it to be able to slide out or flip
out to be longer for dehydrated meals. And then
I also want it to be small enough and compact
enough to fit in my organizational boxes. So
I've seen a couple of them. There's the MagSafe
ones that are like got the magnets on them. Pretty
cool, but we'll see. That's like the last part
of my dining part. I have all the cooking stuff,
the plates. Now I just kind of need the silverware
part, and I'll figure that out when I get there.
All right, guys. So I am one month away from
my warranty window. Like it closes in a month.
I thought you got it after, Drummond. So I have
contacted Expo. And we will see if I get a new
winch. And this will be the Titan Factor if you
suggest X -Bow now. I still, yeah, yeah. If they
don't cover it, then probably won't recommend
them. What was I looking up? Uh, silverware?
Synthetic winch rope? Oh, winch rope. I have
not heard back from them. Okay. So they are very
slow on responses, apparently. I just want to
let you know that my responses might be crappy,
and my internet might go out at any minute. Why
are your responses crappy? Like choppy. Oh. You
sound fine. Okay. Well, when you were just talking
earlier, it was like you were putting your, like
talking through a fan. It was like. That could
be my internet too. This is my downloads 352
and uploads 228. So that's much better than mine.
Mine was like 40s before. I think I was having
issues earlier because when I was talking to
him earlier before he hopped on it, every once
in a while it was just audio and no video. Oh,
gotcha. Yep. Well, that makes me feel a little
bit better then. Yeah. I applied with Jetboil.
Yeah, mine... By the way. My internet is like
24 down. Yo. And like 10 up. So when it comes
to silverware, Gavin, I'm going to let you in
on a little tidbit, a secret, if you will. Have
you ever been to Ollie's? Ollie's? Yes. Like...
No. It's pretty much like a retail surplus. It's
a bargain store. Yeah, so their slogan is good
stuff cheap. Oh, I see. I'm looking at it right
now. Oh, my God. The kid is creepy. So if you
go to Ollie's and you go to their kitchenware
aisle, you can get an entire set of good quality
silverware for under $5. Interesting. And then
how much was the... I only needed like three
fork spoons. So our... Because our kit's really
high quality. I mean, it's thick stuff. And I
think we paid $4 for that. It came with four
spoons, four forks, four knives. Yeah. And then
we put it in a bag that we got on Amazon for
$8. and now we have a really high -quality silverware
packet. This is an odd website. Ollie's is an
odd store, and I'm assuming the website is very
much so like the store. It's crazy. Yeah, there's
one on Alpine. It's worth going to. Oh, I've
never even heard of them. Yeah, there's one on
Alpine behind the theater, and then there's one
in Muskegon by Harbor Freight. Their mascot looks
like a buck -tooth Einstein. Yep, yep. Interesting.
Ollie's is cool, man. Every once in a while,
they'll have tents. They mostly do Walmart reselling,
I think, and they had... One of the quick pop
-up Ozark Trail tents for like 30 bucks. Right.
Last year. Yeah. Huh. Of course, this was after
a lot of our tents. Normally like $140 tent and
it was like 30 bucks. Interesting. Gotcha. But
we didn't grab one because we didn't need one
at the time. No. Yeah. Actually. What I was using
was the Yuko stuff, and I might just buy that
again because the way that that worked was that
you could... They had, like, slots on it so that
if you wanted to make it longer, you would just
hook the knife part into, like, the handles together.
It would just fit inside the slots, and it would
make it, like, extra long. And that's kind of...
For Eaton, as you had already mentioned, you
need, like, a longer utensil. To all the listeners,
don't overthink utensils. They're just stuff
you use to shove food in your face. You can get
them at Walmart for 10 cents. I'm a gear guy,
so I want utensils. I know. And I'm like, when
it comes to utensils, it's like, man, the cheapest
I can get it, the happier I'll be. Yeah. Well,
I mean, like, at the same time, you could. argue
any of like the kitchenware stuff too i mean
you could pick any of that up at goodwill for
a dollar or two but or like walmart you could
get 99 cent plates and 89 cent plates and but
it's really nice to have everything that i can
collapse at once and we still use our walmart
plates so yeah i can't say much there no i just
got to a point where i was just like i want to
i want to make this higher quality and more packable
and yeah and now it's like i have we eat dehydrated
meals probably once a camp trip it's usually
the last day i will like like this sunday we
did it before c even sienna even got up i boiled
water dumped it in the biscuits and gravy both
of ours let us sit and started packing up camp
then got to a good point on air She came out
of the tent. It was already done. Didn't have
to do anything. And we ate real quick and then
finished packing, and it was really nice. It's
just like the silverware is like you have to
dig, and your hands get all fucking messy and
shit. So it's just a little convenient. Ours,
I mean, ours are long. Ours are full kitchenware.
They pack real nice in their little pack pouch.
I don't know, man. Spending more on silverware
is a hard sell for me. I did it once, so, I mean,
obviously I fell into it a couple times. Kind
of on off -topic, on -topic. So when we get back
from Leatherwood, Saturday the 14th, I know I
said fuck all of you, but are you guys busy?
Do you want to do some local wheeling? I like
how local. Like, new ego? Think about it. As
long as I'm not working for some reason. LOL.
If I do start a new job before that, I mean,
it is what it is, so I can't really do much about
that. Because I would love to. We haven't done
any local wheeling. No. Since fall. Yes, you
guys have not done any local wheeling with me.
Chirps. I'm thinking like Croton to White Cloud.
Maybe, or just skip Croton to White Cloud, go
straight to White Cloud and do some stuff up
there. Yeah, I did that the other day, Croton
to White Cloud. It was kind of boring. The part
that I did, so it'd be nice to go out and do
the harder parts. You got to make it fun if you're
doing Crote in the White Cloud. Oh, I mean, I
was throttling through those corners pretty quick,
but I... I'm thinking like Skitter, Mark's Nemesis.
Maybe some flexi -ditchies. Let's see if you
survive through Leatherwood first. How about
that? I dig it. I mean, I'm not saying that anything's
going to happen, all right? But I'm saying Leatherwood's,
you know, we all know Leatherwood's a whole different
level. This old Gavin, he thinks that I wouldn't
plan a trip when I might break my truck. You
see, if I don't plan the trip, I'm going to break
my truck. I think either way, your truck's going
to break. It's just too much. There's just too
much going on with that thing. I am waiting for
like, uh -oh, we... turtled on a rock and it
rebroke the frame. That's going up one of the
waterfall. I don't know about that. He, the one
thing that was going to give out, he already
took care of just now. Yes. What was that? Yeah.
He's like, Oh yeah. My fuel tank that was about
to just exit the chat. Yeah, it's not held up
by a ratchet strap anymore, guys. It's got an
actual strap now. Oh, man. I didn't tell you
guys, but coming back from that camp, I didn't
secure one of those Pelican boxes down good enough
because I only had one strap. And I might have
been driving like 90 to 95 mile an hour on the
highway. And all of a sudden I hear, and I'm
like, huh. Weird. Didn't see anything flop out
the back. Well, I went to go stop at a rest stop
because I was getting kind of tired. Wanted to
take a quick break. As I'm coming back to the
bathroom, I see it and it's hanging over the
back of my, you know where my back box is, the
long one? It's hanging up over that. And the
only thing keeping it on was the fact that the
strap was still holding onto it. And I was like,
Jesus. I opened the truck up and we just shoved
it inside the truck for them. Then we got back
on the highway. I'm hoping my swag doesn't decide
to take a little ride. Exit the chat. You get
down there and it's like, where's my swag? Oh,
no. I would know because I'm making Mark follow
me and making Duncan follow Mark. Yeah. He's
not going to let me lead again. I am the slowest.
I am the slowest out of the three of us. Oh,
it was funny. And I know that. I left hours before
Derek. We did a trail ride. I even stopped a
couple times and just monkeyed around, this and
that. And then on the highway, we're driving.
And I was like, is that a Datsun? That's a Datsun
trailer. Is that Derek? How the fuck did we already
catch up to Derek? And that's where that reel
came from where I'm passing him. Yeah. Because
I was going, like, 90 in that one, and it was
just like, zoom. I had to slow down, and then
he looks beside him, double takes and smiles,
turns his mic on. I'm like, what are you doing?
I was about to say, he's just being a demon of
himself, too. He does it on the trails bad. Yeah,
on the trails, that might be different. Derek,
we'll do 40 where he should be doing 10, but
he'll do, like, 10 where he should be doing 80.
Yeah. Well, that trailer really slows down. I
got to turn this down. Yes, please. That trailer
really slows things down, I guess. Sorry, viewers
or listeners, I should say. No, I passed him,
and then that's when I went and... and we had
this guy on a trailer with a trailer some old
dude and he was like driving into our lanes like
he was he couldn't stay in his lane and he almost
like ran into the side of us and i fucking i
honked at him and he didn't move very fast i'm
assuming he didn't hear me so then i got up in
front of him because i was sick of it and this
dude's going probably 85 So I get up in front
of him and I put my hand out the fucking window.
I'm like, dude, what are you doing, dude? And
he just kind of was like. But he was like, he
was old, but he was veering all over going into
other people's lanes. They had to like swerve
out of the way. He was dangerous. So real quick,
Mark, let's do a little bit of a rap. Yeah. So
last. Excuse me. Last weekend, we... What did
we do? Help Duncan finish up his truck. Right.
We helped Duncan swap his front diff, so he now
has matching 529s front and rear. And that was...
Everything on that truck's an endeavor. Like
my truck, things just kind of... They mostly
are okay. His truck, everything is a pain. Yeah.
Literally everything was still the original part.
I could not believe how many original parts were
still on that truck. And rusty. And rusty. Yeah.
We also took an hour and a half drive down south
and picked up my dad's new TJ. So my dad bought
a totaled. 2000 TJ with a four Oh and a five
speed in it. Yep. And hopefully that gives him
the push to get his TJ done. Yeah. Yeah. It would
be sick to have my dad come wheeling with us.
Yep. It would be. And then I also took care of
a lot of stuff going on of vehicles and stuff
too. Yeah. So that'll be sick. Um, It was really
funny. I asked him, so did you start it to pull
it off the trailer? And he's like, no, I just
unstrapped it and pushed it off. And I was like,
oh, come on. The thing drives. He's like, well,
I had to put a battery in it. I don't want to
lug a battery up on the trailer and do it just
to drive it off. Yeah. But no, dad's got his
two TJs now. Nice. Hopefully we can get this
one apart pretty quick and get the other frame
pushed in and get some motor mounts welded on.
I bet you I'll probably try and push that off
for wintertime, honestly. Yeah, as long as we
got his barn open enough to do that. Yeah, and
the escape's gone. Yep, I forgot about that conversation.
They got a total of $150 in scrap for that car.
Yikes. Let's see. What else? Oh, my mom. I just
got off the phone with her while we were waiting
for Gavin to get on to record. My mom just bought
a 2017 Toyota Sequoia. Yay. So that's exciting.
They spent $31 ,000 on it. Not surprising. I
was going to say, if it wasn't for that much,
we're like. Can we convince her to make a bigger
one than Joe's? No way. No way. Portals. No,
it's cool. I think I'm going to try and talk
her into pulling her 4Runner down south to get
the timing done by Midwest Adventure Outfitters.
Yep. So, that'll be cool. Yep. Is that pretty
much all on the wrap? Did we do anything else?
I packed my truck. So we packed trailers and
stuff. Trailer's ready to go. So do you guys
have any spare parts you're bringing? I'm bringing
CV axles, rear axle shafts. I think that's it,
actually. Okay. Oil and stuff? Well, of course.
Of course. Yeah, just checking. What about windshield
washer fluid? Or are you going to get that in
the way? I had a jug already. I just threw it
in my truck Monday morning. We got coolant? Yeah,
I had to buy a new one because my coolant was
actually low to begin with. I'll just use garden
hose. Yeah. We got scanners. Yep. Always. Okay.
Just trying to make sure. Yeah, my scanner lives
on my MOLLE panel on the back window. Mine's
in the back MOLLE as well. Mine's just hanging
on the glove box. Forgot you even have one. Yeah,
he's had to fix his Toyota every couple miles.
We fixed that. Thank gosh. That was a stupid
thing too. That was. Oh, let's just have the
sensor free hanging by the hot exhaust that's
going to trip your sensor every once in a while
after a blue moon. We moved that sensor. Once
or twice a trip. We moved that sensor away from
the hot exhaust pipe, and it's been fine ever
since. What's the meal plan? Are you guys doing
anything special, or is it all hot dogs and baked
beans? We're doing walking tacos one day. Okay.
I think we're doing steak another night. Nice.
Yeah, steak one night. So steak, walking tacos,
wraps for lunch. Yep. I think we might get hot
dogs. You know those microwavable Jimmy Dean
sandwiches? Mm -hmm. We should get those for
breakfast, and we can just wrap them in tinfoil
and heat them up. Could. True. This last weekend,
I did something I saw someone else do on TikTok.
They cut their muffins in half, and they set
them on a pan with butter, and holy fucking shit,
I will never eat a muffin at camp the same. It
made the muffin really nice and crispy with the
butter, gave it that grilled cheese kind of crispy
consistency, warmed it up really good. Oh, my
God, it was delicious. And then if you make some
sausage and some egg and slap it in the middle
with just a touch of syrup or some of that black
truffle hot sauce, you'd have, like, a fantastic
breakfast sandwich. You're on to something. You
know, I didn't even think about that, and I had
all the ingredients sitting on the plate. I swear
to God. Yeah, dude. I kept eating it. I was like,
oh, my God, this is crispy. It was a blueberry
muffin, so I was like, dude, this is delicious.
Dude, a blueberry muffin with sausage, egg, and
black truffle hot sauce. It would be phenomenal.
Yeah. I use that on everything. One more thing
while I'm thinking about it. I'm going to go
on Blake's hard cider website. and shoot them
an email and see if they'll... Maybe not sponsor
us, but, like, we give them free publicity. It
just sent us a pallet of... Not necessarily a
pallet, but a case of once a week or something.
Hmm. They have no contact us on their... Aw.
Yeah. Speaking of truffle sauce, do you think
we need one or two bottles? We only need one.
Okay. I was just trying to think of how much
we're going to go through. I was telling Ed about
that, and he's like, yeah, that shit's so good.
You got some? I was like, yeah, I got some. He's
like, sweet. Like, fucking, he was eating, like.
fajitas or something one of the nights yeah and
that's some good stuff it's just got enough spice
it's not too crazy but it's enough that you can
pile it on there and you get all the flavor you
get all the spice it's perfect yeah and it's
not that expensive No. No, the trough sauce is,
but it does give a different flavor than the
Melinda's. Yeah. Melinda's is pretty great, though.
I mean, she makes really good. That green sauce
is really good on eggs and stuff in the morning,
too, if you like more of a savory. Oh, super
good. I like mixing both of the red sauce and
the green sauce. So I did find their Facebook
page, and I sent them an email. Hey, man, shoot
for the moon. I shot for the moon earlier today.
I applied for a job at Jetboil. It was a remote
position. That'd be a pretty slick job, though.
Yeah, it was like a marketing and like a search
and develop kind of thing. Hey, I'm your guy.
I'm Overlander. As I said, in the thing, they're
like, do you use our product? I'm like, almost
every weekend I'm out. All the time. I shot for
the mood somewhat a little while ago and applied
for a job at GoTenna. Yeah, I've been shooting
for the moon all day today, applying for jobs
that are way over my head. But hey, you never
know. I mean, the worst that they could say is
no. And I'm just out the little bit of time it
took to apply. But if they say yes and I get
an interview, that's good enough for me to try
to get my way in there. Yeah. I mean, it's kind
of where I'm at. Like, I applied Gotenna and
another mesh network. I don't remember who the
other one was. Gotenna is the one I really wanted,
though. So it's a job I'd enjoy, you know, getting
to play with basically Meshtastic, but on a giant
scale. Yeah, that's kind of what I was looking
for, is I was trying to find a remote position
in the camping, overlanding industry. Not a whole
lot out there, obviously, and even less with
my qualifications, but sales, marketing, research
and development stuff, I have a little bit of
experience with. So I might, you know, get in
there. Hey, Mark. You know how we thought that
Blake's Hard Cider was a New York thing? I didn't
say it was a New York thing. No, they're bottled
in New York. It's on their label. Oh, by Ball?
Or something like that, yeah. Anyways, did you
know that they're actually from Armada, Michigan?
Yeah, I knew that. I didn't. I thought I told
you it was a Michigan brand. No, that's sick.
And I guess they're teaming up with Carhartt
to do something soon. So that's two Michigan
-made products in one little tool bag, I guess.
I guess we should talk to Carhartt. You didn't
know Carhartt was Michigan? Nope, I did not know
that. We should team up with Stormy. What is
it, Storm? What's that? Stormy Daniels? Oh, yeah,
we should team up with her, too. No, we should
team up with Carhartt, Blake's, and Stormy Cromer.
Because those are Michigan, too, I think. Get
these Michigan brands in here. Yeah, Carhartt's
headquartered out of Dearborn. Huh. Never knew
that. Yeah, the more you know. Yeah. I'll be
honest, I didn't know that either. And do you
guys remember Red Wing Boots? Yeah, I think I
knew they were. I think they're out of Detroit.
Big Rapids. Oh, Big Rapids, huh. I was going
to say, was it Wolverine? Didn't Wolverine have
like a headquarters in Rockford or something
like that? Oh, I'm sorry. Wolverine is the one
that was out of Big Rapids. Oh. I was going to
say, which form of Wolverine? Because there's
multiple Wolverine companies in Michigan. Yeah,
the boot. Yeah. I guess that makes sense with
the name. I didn't really think about that. I
knew one of them was, but I mixed up. Red Wing
is a Michigan brand as well. Man, we're just
killing it. Yeah. We're pretty cool. Back in
2017, Wolverine sold their factory in Big Rapids.
Yeah. Yeah, I know they were doing a lot of restructuring
and stuff. I've seen a lot of jobs posted for
Wolverine. I just know there's also Wolverine
natural gas and stuff too. Jesus. I'm sure there's
a ton of Wolverine stuff. I didn't realize that
their factory in Big Rapids was specifically
for military boots. Huh. Wait, does that mean
Wolverine from X -Men? Aren't his colors blue
and yellow? The original? X -Men's in general
is blue and yellow. Does that mean he's from
Michigan? I think it was slightly uncoordinated
in that part. I don't know. I was just thinking
about that. It's also a lighter blue. It is,
yeah. It's like State Trooper blue. Do we have?
He's Canadian. I was saying. Wow, I mean, people
would argue that Michigan's half Canadian. Well,
he's from Alberta, near the town of Cold Lake.
Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, that's not very Michigandery.
Nope, nope, not at all. I mean, technically,
the Wolverines don't actually exist in Michigan.
They only was reported like once or twice. I
thought they did. That's a good. No. I don't
think they actually lived here. They've just
been reported once or twice. Just the Ohioans
called us Wolverines. They were very common,
and then they got hunted out, and then for 200
years, there were none seen in Michigan. That's
right. Funny thing with Beaver Island, that's...
Beaver Island was known for that, too, until
they hunted all the beaver off the island, and
then DNR resupplied the island with Canadian
beavers. So they're resupplied Canadian beavers
now. Damn it. Yeah. We just have to figure out
how to resupply the dodos, and then we can correct
all of our wrongs. Dodos, man. I'm still thinking
dire wolves. Could you imagine that? We're going
to introduce a small population of dire wolves
in the UP. I think you just like camping one
day and this wolf, like as big as your truck,
starts walking out from beyond the woods and
you're like, ew. But we didn't hunt out dire
wolves, right? They died because they were just,
you know, megafauna and that's just what happens
to megafauna. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it would
be so cool though to get like some of the ancient
elk or something back. As much as, okay, so this
is going to be a hot take, and I don't fully
believe this, but it's plausible. Just hear me
out as I say this, right? So elephants are clearly
megafauna, right? Yep. And historically, megafauna
always die out. The Earth just cannot support
megafauna like that. So can we really blame humans
for the downfall of elephants if megafauna just
isn't possible in general? I think so. And my
reason is because it's mostly through poaching
that elephants have been killed. And I think...
Actually, it's not poaching's been the big one
on them. It's not deforestation, but they're...
Same thing. Their environment is getting destroyed
to build houses. Well, then, kind of. Yeah. I
mean, if they don't have the materials to eat,
then... And it's because of us, mostly. Because
I think... Typically, if we were to leave elephants
alone, I think they'd be fine. Same thing with
giraffes. I mean, they're like a megafauna in
a way. See, I don't necessarily think they'd
be fine just because historically megafauna always
die out after like a couple thousand years. I
don't know. I think they're just the evolved
versions. I mean, they're much smaller comparatively.
And they're adapted for that area. I think they
would be fine if humans, like if humans just
disappeared off the earth, I think they'd be
fine. I think they'd continue to get smaller.
Because historically, that's what megafauna do.
They just continue to get smaller. You know what
I want? I want giant sloths back, man. I think
that's just the, like I think everything will
continue to get smaller as... the world progresses
to a point to where something really big happens
and we get a reset. And then megafauna is introduced
again through years and years. Because I think,
I mean, wasn't fauna and stuff like that, the
reason it was mega was because it was untouched
by animals for so long. And then once they evolved
to land moving creatures, then it was an issue.
Like, you know what I'm saying? Because plants
and trees and fauna were there before animals
had evolved to walk on land. And then once they
walked on land and started consuming the faunas
when it became an issue, I don't know. I don't
know that timeline. Or they weren't and they
were created big and then just continued to get
smaller. I don't know. I don't know. Most megafauna.
Isn't mammalian, is that how you say that, mammalian?
Yeah, sounds right. Most megafauna is like lizard
or reptile. So, yeah. We don't have to get into
this whole debate. This is where we need to start
another channel just on this stuff. If you're
like me and you believe in, or if you're a creationalist,
before the flood, humans lived to be 800 to 1
,000 years old. It wasn't an uncommon thing for
that to happen. So why wouldn't animals do the
same thing? Well, lizards don't stop growing
their entire life. So if you've got a lizard
that lived to be, okay, let's say a tortoise,
right? Let's say you've got a tortoise that lived
to be, They already live to be hundreds of years
old. So let's say you have one that lived to
be thousands of years old. Who's to say that's
not going to be a massive fucking tortoise? I
mean, yeah, I think the general consensus with
even with like sharks and stuff is they continue
to grow as well as long as they have food chain
to support said growth. And with the diminished
food chain through human existence, I think.
It's just become harder and harder for these
animals to have such a large amount of food available.
So they have to. Unless they're in the Mariana
Trench because we got a megalodon down there,
I swear it. Well, and we have giant, giant squid
still. And like there are, I mean, theories to
support that kind of thing, but I don't know.
Like I said, this is a, we should just make a
cryptid podcast or conspiracy podcast and have
that on the side. This isn't really conspiracy,
though. I guess it would depend on who they talk
to, because I know a girl who I was working with
who thought we lived in a globe. So, yeah. Well,
that's one, okay, that's some librarian -ass
shit. No, that's, she's like, she thinks that
we're in, like, this, like. She don't think we
ever went to space, which is not, we're not getting
into the space debate, but she's like, nobody's
ever been to outer space. It's not real. The
sun's not real. It's just, it's like, oh my God.
And every star, everything, it's all just stars.
And it's like, there's no such thing as planets.
And I'm like, thank God you're 16. Cause you
got some, I'm hoping that that kicks in. At some
point where you're like, so, and then she goes,
scientists, they just start off of other people's
books. They're not creating it on their own.
So they're just going off what other people say.
And I'm like, yeah, but this is based off of
lots of research, mathematical equations and
time. I do think there's a lot of bunk science
because they build off bunk science. And I do
agree with that, but I also believe that space
is real. Like, I don't believe. I know space
is real, guys. And the Earth is flat. And the
Earth is an octagon. Actually, it's a hexahedron.
Yeah. And this all has to do with off -road,
because... The way that we drive off -road is
affected because Earth is either flat or hexahedron.
You know, not everything has to be off -road.
We start off -road. We can drift around. Like,
who wants to just listen to us be like, this
is the test I'm trying this week. No, people
want to hear us get down and dirty about dumb
shit. This is what they come for. Or, I don't
know. Well, I mean, you guys should chime in
and say, do you guys think we should keep it
pointed? Let's let the listeners decide. I've
heard a joke recently. Or do we let our ADHD
just run wild? I heard a joke recently. Okay,
what's your joke? Do you agree with a flat earth?
Yeah, it's flat on six sides and see how bad
they malfunction. Yeah. But no, and I don't know.
But if you believe in creationism, you believe
in the giants. Yeah. Which means you believe
in the fact that the angels came down and mated
with humans. Yeah. Which means that they made
half -breeds. Mm -hmm. Which means that the angels,
because of all God's creation they fell in love
with, could have mated with giant monkeys. And
made... Bigger megafauna? Yeah. Like Bigfoot.
And why we can't see them is because they have
some of that angelic, magical presence that keeps
them hidden. Yeah. You know what? Bigfoot is
just a halfling and we're just going to have
to deal with it. Yep. Same thing with like chupacabra
and skinwalkers. I mean, it's very possible.
If you believe in that creationism and in that
magic... Skinwalkers are definitely aliens. There's
no way around that one. Well, so you believe
in creationism, but you also believe in aliens?
Yep. See, I do too. But not creationalism, I
think. I don't know what I believe. I think there
are gods out there, but... I see absolutely no
reason why there wouldn't be other planets than
just ours. That just does not fit with - I have
a hard time believing that God could just choose
one test subject and be like - I did all this
in seven days. On top of that - What about the
other days? Don't you get bored? On top of that,
okay, I get it. God's the one true God, but who's
to say that there aren't other gods for other
planets in different places? Well, and I don't
know that. There's like - interpretations that
said that god had a wife which would be a god
or a mother yeah because god has to come from
somewhere yeah you can't just exist because you
made existence like something has to come before
you our god is the only god that i'm going to
worship but that doesn't mean that there aren't
gods for other planets in different places because
god there's no reason there can't be more And
who's to say they haven't come down here and
played? I mean, if they have that kind of power.
I don't remember the exact theory behind it,
but I guess the theory is that Loki is actually
the only god right now after he killed off everyone
else. Yeah, I've heard that theory. Yeah, I saw
that one. I think it's like, this is going to
be weird, but I think it's a lot like, have you
guys seen American Gods? I have not yet. The
theory behind that is it's like a popularity
-based thing. So the more popularity you have
as a god, the more powerful you are. Yeah. So
to me, it would make sense that, like, pagan
gods aren't seen as much or maybe have less influence,
less power because they're such a lesser god
now because there's so many. like so few people
worshiping them anymore compared to the big ones
like america yeah real quick was american gods
on stars i can't remember um you guys you should
add hbo was it like 2017 time frame yeah i think
so but you should definitely there was a a mysterious
man who called himself wednesday yes Yes. Okay,
cool. I'll download it. Yeah, if you guys would
really like that, if you like that whole... Because
then there's a point to where new gods come into
it because new gods can be formed. There's a
technology god and stuff like that because they
could be formed by belief and the more followers
you have towards something like that. And I kind
of would submit to that because that makes sense
to me. There's no all good. There's no all evil.
There are many gods doing different things with
different aims. There are gods for seasons, gods
for this, gods for that. And it would make more
sense for the world of chaos that we live in
now. And maybe that's just my way of reasoning
because I just can't fathom a child being sick
from birth being part of like the one true God's
plan. You know what I mean? Like, that's a plan
that shouldn't have to happen. Oh, I can. Yeah,
but that's just my opinion. So I definitely not.
It doesn't say that, you know, God doesn't say
that he made the world perfect. He doesn't claim
that everything he does is to make us happy.
Like, it's quite the opposite. Yeah, and is that
something that you want to put all your stock
in either? Like. like to me i yeah i'd rather
do it and be i don't know to me like i can't
put my stock in it yeah i just i just can't put
my stock into something that would create an
innocent life and then destroy it on a teaching
principle or for some greater good or something
like that i mean if you're all powerful then
then you could stop that I mean, it would make
more sense to me that there were other gods working
against. Once you start saying that, though,
once you start saying that, you're taking away
free will, too. So. Well, then he pretty much
hands off the wheel thousands of years ago and
is like, do your own thing. At that point, you
know what I mean? Yeah. Which would be fine,
too, in that sense. I'd be like, okay, I get
it. He hands off the wheel to us because we chose
free will. And, you know, that would make more
sense from, you know, as soon as Eve ate the
apple, he was like, all right, you guys want
to do this on your own? You don't want my help?
Then fuck it. Go ahead. These are the rules.
I mean, he's still there if you need him. Yeah.
Yeah, it's a lot of, like, definitely answering
system. It's like you're like, please leave a
message after the beat. And this is just me.
And I absolutely, I'm not arguing anybody else's
religion. This is my experience with it. And
if you guys believe in God and anybody, even
the listeners, this isn't me discounting your
belief any means. This is just me talking about
mine. That's all. I miss you guys. Your camera
feeds went away a while ago. It's got that Walmart
internet over there still. Yeah. Speaking of,
man. Is that living in the middle of nowhere?
Well, you have such fields over there, man. Have
you looked into Starlink? Is that going to be
a thing for you in the future? Dude, we would
not be having this conversation on Starlink.
We're not right now. We're definitely not right
now. Can you hear me? His internet heard Starlink
and said, we're not going to work. I'm sure on
his recording you can hear him, but he just dropped
on our end. Yeah. So the thing is that Starlink,
although it has faster speeds, it has much slower...
Oh, man, the term is eluding me right now. Give
me a second. Yeah, his internet's going out again,
I think. Give me a second. Let me see what's
going on. No, it's not actually. I was just making
excuses for you while you thought. Oh. Yeah,
so latency on Starlink is really bad, and it
makes phone calls or video calls a lot harder.
I actually don't know what's going on with mine
because it's usually not this bad. It's probably
Obama. Thanks, Obama. Oh, he's gone. He's gone
gone. All right. Welcome to the Mark and Gavin
show. Yeah. And again, you get the good ones.
So if he ever joins back. Oh, did I fix it? And
you go out or two all of a sudden. I fixed it.
Hell yeah. As he freezes. Did I? Yeah, no, latency
on Starlink's a lot worse. My dad had Starlink
and actually switched to what I have because
it was so bad. Does he still have the Starlink
stuff? He got rid of it. Dang it. I'm definitely
going to be looking into getting, like, Starlink
Mini or something for the overlanding. I just
want to be able to upload. So it's really hard
coming home and uploading 100 pictures. It's
not hard if you're doing it on a nightly basis
when you're chilling by the campfire. And it's
also something I enjoy doing. I also just realized
why my internet's being so slow. Because you
have downloads from Steam. No, he's starting
to download the episodes. I just started downloading
American Gods. That would make sense. You know,
you should work for IT because your problem solving
for this stuff is, this is great. You really
do have a future in IT, Alex. I think. I mean,
I did IT for a long time. You should do some
more studying on it and then go remote. and work
IT, cybersecurity, and then you can travel with
us along the country. I actually could pretty
easily. I have all my certs, and I actually did
it for quite a while. And I still do it a little
bit, not a lot. I was going to say, go to FlexJobs
and look up gigs for it. Make some extra money.
I've been looking on FlexJobs. It's more remote
stuff, more gigs. If you try to work remotely,
it's actually a pretty cool spot. It's got a
lot of jobs on there. And they're all pretty
much remote jobs. There's some hybrid. Be cool.
Yeah. I mean, the dream is to eventually find
a job that I can work remotely, that I can work
remotely from a campsite. There is a camp management
job where you have to live on the state parks
camps. You know those jobs? Yeah. Have you seen
them? Yeah. There is one of those up in the UP
that I wish I could do. You have to have a camper
and stuff, though. Do you have to have a camper?
On that one, it actually said you did. They want
you to live there, but if you choose not to,
you're on call. Yeah. But it's like $2 ,000.
I paused the download. Good. It's like $2 ,800
a month or something like that, so it's not too
bad, I don't think, but it's seasonal. No, that
ain't bad at all. That's more than I make. So
I thought about it for a second, and then I decided,
meh, all right, well. I would have to live there,
basically. Yeah. Yeah. But, all right, I got
to do some editing, so we should really call
this one. Fine. I guess. Because, oh, real quick,
we're going to talk about this on here so the
listeners know it's your fault. I'm going to
edit these and get them up and schedule them,
and then if you could get in and do chapter art
for them, that would be killer. As soon as they're
up, I'll work on it. Cool. I'll have both the
one we did yesterday that's a bonus episode,
which they'll already know about by the time
that they hear this. And then, yeah. So let's
do that. Yeah. All right. We'll catch you guys
later. Later. All right. Later.