WEBVTT 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:13.599 Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:16.039 about everything from gear reviews to trail stories, 00:00:16.420 --> 00:00:20.160 tent camping to rock landing, and all things 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.780 to do with the outdoors. And let us count to 00:00:22.780 --> 00:00:26.760 you just a little bit because we like to do that 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:29.219 and then leave five minutes of silence in the 00:00:29.219 --> 00:00:31.679 finished product. It's great. I'm sure you guys 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:39.060 loved it. Not my fault. Yeah, my fault. 100 % 00:00:39.060 --> 00:00:41.799 my fault. No, this chaotic. I did think it was 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:44.840 odd, but I was like, well, maybe he's just going 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:49.060 to fix that when he actually publishes it. No, 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.560 it's just the chaotic last couple weekends of 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:54.280 helping a buddy build a vehicle out just before 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.280 Leatherwood. Right down to the wire. I still 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:02.060 don't have a working rear locker, guys. You don't 00:01:02.060 --> 00:01:04.719 need it. You'll be fine. I'm sure you'll be fine. 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:07.060 I don't have any. I've seen some of the stuff. 00:01:08.250 --> 00:01:10.790 Okay. Okay. You're right. You're right. You have 00:01:10.790 --> 00:01:14.530 a winch, right? That is usually a front and rear 00:01:14.530 --> 00:01:19.409 locker. Speaking of my winch, I need to tell 00:01:19.409 --> 00:01:22.930 you guys something. I went to correct my winch 00:01:22.930 --> 00:01:25.489 line a little bit yesterday, and I let my winch 00:01:25.489 --> 00:01:27.590 out, and then I hit the button to bring it in, 00:01:27.629 --> 00:01:32.269 and it went click. And that was it. Oh, boy. 00:01:33.670 --> 00:01:37.510 So I sat there just spamming the in button, and 00:01:37.510 --> 00:01:40.849 then suddenly it started to spool in. Oh. So 00:01:40.849 --> 00:01:43.329 say, did you have a bad preschool? No, no. I 00:01:43.329 --> 00:01:47.569 think it's dying. So you're saying don't get 00:01:47.569 --> 00:01:52.829 expo. Mark my words. Or leave expo. No. What 00:01:52.829 --> 00:01:55.849 I'm saying is don't try to pull a FedEx truck 00:01:55.849 --> 00:01:57.849 out from the ditch or from your house. I forgot 00:01:57.849 --> 00:02:01.609 about that. No, I would say. With a winch that 00:02:01.609 --> 00:02:04.569 is not even close to rated for it. Yeah, I was 00:02:04.569 --> 00:02:08.330 going to say, I would check your duty times. 00:02:11.110 --> 00:02:15.009 And you probably shouldn't pull tractors out 00:02:15.009 --> 00:02:21.069 of mud pits with them. Yeah. So, like, I'm not 00:02:21.069 --> 00:02:24.110 nice to my winch, guys. It's a tool. I use it 00:02:24.110 --> 00:02:29.150 almost daily. So I'm assuming you don't really 00:02:29.150 --> 00:02:31.129 pay attention to your duty cycle or anything. 00:02:33.610 --> 00:02:38.409 What's a duty cycle? Okay. This guy. So now. 00:02:41.210 --> 00:02:44.590 I'm sure it's like 10 minutes. We're probably 00:02:44.590 --> 00:02:49.069 fine. Oh, boy. It's probably like one minute. 00:02:51.490 --> 00:02:53.830 45 seconds. And I've definitely winched longer 00:02:53.830 --> 00:03:00.500 than that. Yep. Haven't we all? Actually, I haven't 00:03:00.500 --> 00:03:06.659 yet, but... It might be time for me to look at... 00:03:06.659 --> 00:03:08.740 Maybe I'll get a hold of X -Bowl and be like, 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:11.280 yo, my winch is barely a year old and I broke 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:15.539 it. Do it. You did get one of the cheaper options. 00:03:15.539 --> 00:03:18.759 I wonder if they have a warranty. Oh, shit. When 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:23.039 did I buy that thing? I don't know. It's got 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:30.139 a one -year warranty on it. Huh. I'm not sure. 00:03:30.539 --> 00:03:34.060 I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you got it after 00:03:34.060 --> 00:03:43.520 drumming, but I could be wrong. Did our synthetic 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:47.860 rope guys, did they ever get a hold of us? I'll 00:03:47.860 --> 00:03:49.840 check one second. I'm trying to figure out how 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.120 long ago I bought my winch. Aye, aye, Captain. 00:03:55.370 --> 00:03:57.750 So bear with me, guys. I'm sure this is very 00:03:57.750 --> 00:04:02.569 exhilarating content. While we're waiting, I'm 00:04:02.569 --> 00:04:07.789 on the hunt for some silverware. I don't have 00:04:07.789 --> 00:04:15.830 it. If anybody knows any, I want sturdy, maybe 00:04:15.830 --> 00:04:21.709 steel, titanium, long silverware, but can be 00:04:21.709 --> 00:04:25.629 compact. I know that sounds like that's a lot, 00:04:25.689 --> 00:04:28.230 but I want it to be able to slide out or flip 00:04:28.230 --> 00:04:31.730 out to be longer for dehydrated meals. And then 00:04:31.730 --> 00:04:34.769 I also want it to be small enough and compact 00:04:34.769 --> 00:04:39.350 enough to fit in my organizational boxes. So 00:04:39.350 --> 00:04:44.649 I've seen a couple of them. There's the MagSafe 00:04:44.649 --> 00:04:47.050 ones that are like got the magnets on them. Pretty 00:04:47.050 --> 00:04:54.240 cool, but we'll see. That's like the last part 00:04:54.240 --> 00:05:00.500 of my dining part. I have all the cooking stuff, 00:05:00.579 --> 00:05:03.939 the plates. Now I just kind of need the silverware 00:05:03.939 --> 00:05:06.399 part, and I'll figure that out when I get there. 00:05:07.899 --> 00:05:13.339 All right, guys. So I am one month away from 00:05:13.339 --> 00:05:15.939 my warranty window. Like it closes in a month. 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:19.519 I thought you got it after, Drummond. So I have 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:23.980 contacted Expo. And we will see if I get a new 00:05:23.980 --> 00:05:27.579 winch. And this will be the Titan Factor if you 00:05:27.579 --> 00:05:33.060 suggest X -Bow now. I still, yeah, yeah. If they 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:35.579 don't cover it, then probably won't recommend 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:42.220 them. What was I looking up? Uh, silverware? 00:05:44.420 --> 00:05:48.139 Synthetic winch rope? Oh, winch rope. I have 00:05:48.139 --> 00:05:54.829 not heard back from them. Okay. So they are very 00:05:54.829 --> 00:05:57.769 slow on responses, apparently. I just want to 00:05:57.769 --> 00:06:01.490 let you know that my responses might be crappy, 00:06:01.649 --> 00:06:06.250 and my internet might go out at any minute. Why 00:06:06.250 --> 00:06:13.050 are your responses crappy? Like choppy. Oh. You 00:06:13.050 --> 00:06:15.490 sound fine. Okay. Well, when you were just talking 00:06:15.490 --> 00:06:19.029 earlier, it was like you were putting your, like 00:06:19.029 --> 00:06:25.209 talking through a fan. It was like. That could 00:06:25.209 --> 00:06:28.949 be my internet too. This is my downloads 352 00:06:28.949 --> 00:06:32.629 and uploads 228. So that's much better than mine. 00:06:33.269 --> 00:06:38.069 Mine was like 40s before. I think I was having 00:06:38.069 --> 00:06:40.670 issues earlier because when I was talking to 00:06:40.670 --> 00:06:43.029 him earlier before he hopped on it, every once 00:06:43.029 --> 00:06:47.269 in a while it was just audio and no video. Oh, 00:06:47.370 --> 00:06:50.529 gotcha. Yep. Well, that makes me feel a little 00:06:50.529 --> 00:06:53.100 bit better then. Yeah. I applied with Jetboil. 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.540 Yeah, mine... By the way. My internet is like 00:06:57.540 --> 00:07:05.540 24 down. Yo. And like 10 up. So when it comes 00:07:05.540 --> 00:07:07.980 to silverware, Gavin, I'm going to let you in 00:07:07.980 --> 00:07:11.959 on a little tidbit, a secret, if you will. Have 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:18.160 you ever been to Ollie's? Ollie's? Yes. Like... 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:23.370 No. It's pretty much like a retail surplus. It's 00:07:23.370 --> 00:07:28.050 a bargain store. Yeah, so their slogan is good 00:07:28.050 --> 00:07:31.009 stuff cheap. Oh, I see. I'm looking at it right 00:07:31.009 --> 00:07:37.209 now. Oh, my God. The kid is creepy. So if you 00:07:37.209 --> 00:07:39.389 go to Ollie's and you go to their kitchenware 00:07:39.389 --> 00:07:42.949 aisle, you can get an entire set of good quality 00:07:42.949 --> 00:07:50.019 silverware for under $5. Interesting. And then 00:07:50.019 --> 00:07:53.420 how much was the... I only needed like three 00:07:53.420 --> 00:08:01.040 fork spoons. So our... Because our kit's really 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:04.300 high quality. I mean, it's thick stuff. And I 00:08:04.300 --> 00:08:07.319 think we paid $4 for that. It came with four 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.740 spoons, four forks, four knives. Yeah. And then 00:08:11.740 --> 00:08:14.879 we put it in a bag that we got on Amazon for 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:19.089 $8. and now we have a really high -quality silverware 00:08:19.089 --> 00:08:27.810 packet. This is an odd website. Ollie's is an 00:08:27.810 --> 00:08:30.750 odd store, and I'm assuming the website is very 00:08:30.750 --> 00:08:36.710 much so like the store. It's crazy. Yeah, there's 00:08:36.710 --> 00:08:39.389 one on Alpine. It's worth going to. Oh, I've 00:08:39.389 --> 00:08:43.370 never even heard of them. Yeah, there's one on 00:08:43.370 --> 00:08:46.450 Alpine behind the theater, and then there's one 00:08:46.450 --> 00:08:51.090 in Muskegon by Harbor Freight. Their mascot looks 00:08:51.090 --> 00:08:57.129 like a buck -tooth Einstein. Yep, yep. Interesting. 00:08:57.789 --> 00:09:01.070 Ollie's is cool, man. Every once in a while, 00:09:01.129 --> 00:09:06.129 they'll have tents. They mostly do Walmart reselling, 00:09:06.129 --> 00:09:10.279 I think, and they had... One of the quick pop 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:14.580 -up Ozark Trail tents for like 30 bucks. Right. 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:18.159 Last year. Yeah. Huh. Of course, this was after 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:22.720 a lot of our tents. Normally like $140 tent and 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:27.100 it was like 30 bucks. Interesting. Gotcha. But 00:09:27.100 --> 00:09:29.120 we didn't grab one because we didn't need one 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:33.159 at the time. No. Yeah. Actually. What I was using 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:36.000 was the Yuko stuff, and I might just buy that 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:37.919 again because the way that that worked was that 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:42.419 you could... They had, like, slots on it so that 00:09:42.419 --> 00:09:44.419 if you wanted to make it longer, you would just 00:09:44.419 --> 00:09:49.159 hook the knife part into, like, the handles together. 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:52.500 It would just fit inside the slots, and it would 00:09:52.500 --> 00:09:55.519 make it, like, extra long. And that's kind of... 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:57.100 For Eaton, as you had already mentioned, you 00:09:57.100 --> 00:10:02.000 need, like, a longer utensil. To all the listeners, 00:10:02.259 --> 00:10:05.940 don't overthink utensils. They're just stuff 00:10:05.940 --> 00:10:08.620 you use to shove food in your face. You can get 00:10:08.620 --> 00:10:13.100 them at Walmart for 10 cents. I'm a gear guy, 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:19.179 so I want utensils. I know. And I'm like, when 00:10:19.179 --> 00:10:21.259 it comes to utensils, it's like, man, the cheapest 00:10:21.259 --> 00:10:24.419 I can get it, the happier I'll be. Yeah. Well, 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.740 I mean, like, at the same time, you could. argue 00:10:27.740 --> 00:10:30.340 any of like the kitchenware stuff too i mean 00:10:30.340 --> 00:10:32.440 you could pick any of that up at goodwill for 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:36.340 a dollar or two but or like walmart you could 00:10:36.340 --> 00:10:40.399 get 99 cent plates and 89 cent plates and but 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:41.700 it's really nice to have everything that i can 00:10:41.700 --> 00:10:46.379 collapse at once and we still use our walmart 00:10:46.379 --> 00:10:49.519 plates so yeah i can't say much there no i just 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.460 got to a point where i was just like i want to 00:10:52.460 --> 00:10:57.429 i want to make this higher quality and more packable 00:10:57.429 --> 00:11:03.809 and yeah and now it's like i have we eat dehydrated 00:11:03.809 --> 00:11:06.529 meals probably once a camp trip it's usually 00:11:06.529 --> 00:11:11.470 the last day i will like like this sunday we 00:11:11.470 --> 00:11:14.870 did it before c even sienna even got up i boiled 00:11:14.870 --> 00:11:17.870 water dumped it in the biscuits and gravy both 00:11:17.870 --> 00:11:21.450 of ours let us sit and started packing up camp 00:11:21.450 --> 00:11:26.100 then got to a good point on air She came out 00:11:26.100 --> 00:11:29.159 of the tent. It was already done. Didn't have 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:32.019 to do anything. And we ate real quick and then 00:11:32.019 --> 00:11:34.379 finished packing, and it was really nice. It's 00:11:34.379 --> 00:11:37.120 just like the silverware is like you have to 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:40.940 dig, and your hands get all fucking messy and 00:11:40.940 --> 00:11:47.360 shit. So it's just a little convenient. Ours, 00:11:47.379 --> 00:11:50.519 I mean, ours are long. Ours are full kitchenware. 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:53.440 They pack real nice in their little pack pouch. 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.179 I don't know, man. Spending more on silverware 00:11:58.179 --> 00:12:01.799 is a hard sell for me. I did it once, so, I mean, 00:12:01.820 --> 00:12:06.679 obviously I fell into it a couple times. Kind 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:11.220 of on off -topic, on -topic. So when we get back 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:16.059 from Leatherwood, Saturday the 14th, I know I 00:12:16.059 --> 00:12:19.639 said fuck all of you, but are you guys busy? 00:12:19.659 --> 00:12:23.639 Do you want to do some local wheeling? I like 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:33.580 how local. Like, new ego? Think about it. As 00:12:33.580 --> 00:12:37.059 long as I'm not working for some reason. LOL. 00:12:39.659 --> 00:12:41.899 If I do start a new job before that, I mean, 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:44.940 it is what it is, so I can't really do much about 00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:51.360 that. Because I would love to. We haven't done 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:55.009 any local wheeling. No. Since fall. Yes, you 00:12:55.009 --> 00:12:57.330 guys have not done any local wheeling with me. 00:12:59.350 --> 00:13:03.909 Chirps. I'm thinking like Croton to White Cloud. 00:13:05.610 --> 00:13:08.730 Maybe, or just skip Croton to White Cloud, go 00:13:08.730 --> 00:13:12.730 straight to White Cloud and do some stuff up 00:13:12.730 --> 00:13:15.429 there. Yeah, I did that the other day, Croton 00:13:15.429 --> 00:13:22.210 to White Cloud. It was kind of boring. The part 00:13:22.210 --> 00:13:25.210 that I did, so it'd be nice to go out and do 00:13:25.210 --> 00:13:29.870 the harder parts. You got to make it fun if you're 00:13:29.870 --> 00:13:31.789 doing Crote in the White Cloud. Oh, I mean, I 00:13:31.789 --> 00:13:35.990 was throttling through those corners pretty quick, 00:13:36.070 --> 00:13:45.450 but I... I'm thinking like Skitter, Mark's Nemesis. 00:13:51.019 --> 00:13:55.320 Maybe some flexi -ditchies. Let's see if you 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:57.759 survive through Leatherwood first. How about 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:04.039 that? I dig it. I mean, I'm not saying that anything's 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:06.360 going to happen, all right? But I'm saying Leatherwood's, 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.440 you know, we all know Leatherwood's a whole different 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:13.750 level. This old Gavin, he thinks that I wouldn't 00:14:13.750 --> 00:14:16.549 plan a trip when I might break my truck. You 00:14:16.549 --> 00:14:19.590 see, if I don't plan the trip, I'm going to break 00:14:19.590 --> 00:14:23.149 my truck. I think either way, your truck's going 00:14:23.149 --> 00:14:29.330 to break. It's just too much. There's just too 00:14:29.330 --> 00:14:34.710 much going on with that thing. I am waiting for 00:14:34.710 --> 00:14:40.679 like, uh -oh, we... turtled on a rock and it 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:45.220 rebroke the frame. That's going up one of the 00:14:45.220 --> 00:14:49.379 waterfall. I don't know about that. He, the one 00:14:49.379 --> 00:14:51.279 thing that was going to give out, he already 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:56.360 took care of just now. Yes. What was that? Yeah. 00:14:56.460 --> 00:15:00.860 He's like, Oh yeah. My fuel tank that was about 00:15:00.860 --> 00:15:07.279 to just exit the chat. Yeah, it's not held up 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.759 by a ratchet strap anymore, guys. It's got an 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.960 actual strap now. Oh, man. I didn't tell you 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.220 guys, but coming back from that camp, I didn't 00:15:15.220 --> 00:15:18.039 secure one of those Pelican boxes down good enough 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:21.799 because I only had one strap. And I might have 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:24.759 been driving like 90 to 95 mile an hour on the 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.620 highway. And all of a sudden I hear, and I'm 00:15:28.620 --> 00:15:32.570 like, huh. Weird. Didn't see anything flop out 00:15:32.570 --> 00:15:35.230 the back. Well, I went to go stop at a rest stop 00:15:35.230 --> 00:15:37.769 because I was getting kind of tired. Wanted to 00:15:37.769 --> 00:15:40.730 take a quick break. As I'm coming back to the 00:15:40.730 --> 00:15:43.710 bathroom, I see it and it's hanging over the 00:15:43.710 --> 00:15:48.029 back of my, you know where my back box is, the 00:15:48.029 --> 00:15:50.710 long one? It's hanging up over that. And the 00:15:50.710 --> 00:15:52.809 only thing keeping it on was the fact that the 00:15:52.809 --> 00:15:55.330 strap was still holding onto it. And I was like, 00:15:55.409 --> 00:16:00.500 Jesus. I opened the truck up and we just shoved 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:03.379 it inside the truck for them. Then we got back 00:16:03.379 --> 00:16:09.299 on the highway. I'm hoping my swag doesn't decide 00:16:09.299 --> 00:16:11.740 to take a little ride. Exit the chat. You get 00:16:11.740 --> 00:16:16.419 down there and it's like, where's my swag? Oh, 00:16:16.419 --> 00:16:18.480 no. I would know because I'm making Mark follow 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.139 me and making Duncan follow Mark. Yeah. He's 00:16:22.139 --> 00:16:24.460 not going to let me lead again. I am the slowest. 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:29.419 I am the slowest out of the three of us. Oh, 00:16:29.419 --> 00:16:32.659 it was funny. And I know that. I left hours before 00:16:32.659 --> 00:16:36.620 Derek. We did a trail ride. I even stopped a 00:16:36.620 --> 00:16:39.080 couple times and just monkeyed around, this and 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:41.059 that. And then on the highway, we're driving. 00:16:41.620 --> 00:16:45.139 And I was like, is that a Datsun? That's a Datsun 00:16:45.139 --> 00:16:48.580 trailer. Is that Derek? How the fuck did we already 00:16:48.580 --> 00:16:51.299 catch up to Derek? And that's where that reel 00:16:51.299 --> 00:16:55.039 came from where I'm passing him. Yeah. Because 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.539 I was going, like, 90 in that one, and it was 00:16:57.539 --> 00:17:00.100 just like, zoom. I had to slow down, and then 00:17:00.100 --> 00:17:03.100 he looks beside him, double takes and smiles, 00:17:03.419 --> 00:17:05.799 turns his mic on. I'm like, what are you doing? 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.099 I was about to say, he's just being a demon of 00:17:08.099 --> 00:17:11.920 himself, too. He does it on the trails bad. Yeah, 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.460 on the trails, that might be different. Derek, 00:17:15.500 --> 00:17:18.079 we'll do 40 where he should be doing 10, but 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:20.700 he'll do, like, 10 where he should be doing 80. 00:17:20.859 --> 00:17:23.660 Yeah. Well, that trailer really slows down. I 00:17:23.660 --> 00:17:26.900 got to turn this down. Yes, please. That trailer 00:17:26.900 --> 00:17:28.660 really slows things down, I guess. Sorry, viewers 00:17:28.660 --> 00:17:35.220 or listeners, I should say. No, I passed him, 00:17:35.339 --> 00:17:39.349 and then that's when I went and... and we had 00:17:39.349 --> 00:17:41.809 this guy on a trailer with a trailer some old 00:17:41.809 --> 00:17:45.450 dude and he was like driving into our lanes like 00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:48.589 he was he couldn't stay in his lane and he almost 00:17:48.589 --> 00:17:52.410 like ran into the side of us and i fucking i 00:17:52.410 --> 00:17:55.069 honked at him and he didn't move very fast i'm 00:17:55.069 --> 00:17:58.470 assuming he didn't hear me so then i got up in 00:17:58.470 --> 00:18:00.309 front of him because i was sick of it and this 00:18:00.309 --> 00:18:04.119 dude's going probably 85 So I get up in front 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:05.740 of him and I put my hand out the fucking window. 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:07.640 I'm like, dude, what are you doing, dude? And 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.920 he just kind of was like. But he was like, he 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.839 was old, but he was veering all over going into 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:15.759 other people's lanes. They had to like swerve 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:21.059 out of the way. He was dangerous. So real quick, 00:18:21.140 --> 00:18:25.819 Mark, let's do a little bit of a rap. Yeah. So 00:18:25.819 --> 00:18:32.900 last. Excuse me. Last weekend, we... What did 00:18:32.900 --> 00:18:37.819 we do? Help Duncan finish up his truck. Right. 00:18:37.900 --> 00:18:41.480 We helped Duncan swap his front diff, so he now 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:46.240 has matching 529s front and rear. And that was... 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.960 Everything on that truck's an endeavor. Like 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.759 my truck, things just kind of... They mostly 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:55.619 are okay. His truck, everything is a pain. Yeah. 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.380 Literally everything was still the original part. 00:19:00.579 --> 00:19:03.220 I could not believe how many original parts were 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:08.960 still on that truck. And rusty. And rusty. Yeah. 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:15.079 We also took an hour and a half drive down south 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:21.960 and picked up my dad's new TJ. So my dad bought 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:26.789 a totaled. 2000 TJ with a four Oh and a five 00:19:26.789 --> 00:19:31.710 speed in it. Yep. And hopefully that gives him 00:19:31.710 --> 00:19:37.450 the push to get his TJ done. Yeah. Yeah. It would 00:19:37.450 --> 00:19:39.289 be sick to have my dad come wheeling with us. 00:19:39.349 --> 00:19:41.490 Yep. It would be. And then I also took care of 00:19:41.490 --> 00:19:44.869 a lot of stuff going on of vehicles and stuff 00:19:44.869 --> 00:19:53.049 too. Yeah. So that'll be sick. Um, It was really 00:19:53.049 --> 00:19:56.650 funny. I asked him, so did you start it to pull 00:19:56.650 --> 00:19:59.630 it off the trailer? And he's like, no, I just 00:19:59.630 --> 00:20:01.630 unstrapped it and pushed it off. And I was like, 00:20:01.650 --> 00:20:05.890 oh, come on. The thing drives. He's like, well, 00:20:05.950 --> 00:20:07.890 I had to put a battery in it. I don't want to 00:20:07.890 --> 00:20:10.690 lug a battery up on the trailer and do it just 00:20:10.690 --> 00:20:17.650 to drive it off. Yeah. But no, dad's got his 00:20:17.650 --> 00:20:22.410 two TJs now. Nice. Hopefully we can get this 00:20:22.410 --> 00:20:24.990 one apart pretty quick and get the other frame 00:20:24.990 --> 00:20:27.829 pushed in and get some motor mounts welded on. 00:20:27.970 --> 00:20:32.630 I bet you I'll probably try and push that off 00:20:32.630 --> 00:20:34.849 for wintertime, honestly. Yeah, as long as we 00:20:34.849 --> 00:20:41.109 got his barn open enough to do that. Yeah, and 00:20:41.109 --> 00:20:44.210 the escape's gone. Yep, I forgot about that conversation. 00:20:44.349 --> 00:20:48.230 They got a total of $150 in scrap for that car. 00:20:51.089 --> 00:20:56.890 Yikes. Let's see. What else? Oh, my mom. I just 00:20:56.890 --> 00:20:58.589 got off the phone with her while we were waiting 00:20:58.589 --> 00:21:01.349 for Gavin to get on to record. My mom just bought 00:21:01.349 --> 00:21:06.109 a 2017 Toyota Sequoia. Yay. So that's exciting. 00:21:07.589 --> 00:21:12.630 They spent $31 ,000 on it. Not surprising. I 00:21:12.630 --> 00:21:14.910 was going to say, if it wasn't for that much, 00:21:14.930 --> 00:21:16.970 we're like. Can we convince her to make a bigger 00:21:16.970 --> 00:21:26.069 one than Joe's? No way. No way. Portals. No, 00:21:26.069 --> 00:21:29.069 it's cool. I think I'm going to try and talk 00:21:29.069 --> 00:21:31.450 her into pulling her 4Runner down south to get 00:21:31.450 --> 00:21:36.130 the timing done by Midwest Adventure Outfitters. 00:21:36.170 --> 00:21:44.160 Yep. So, that'll be cool. Yep. Is that pretty 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:46.640 much all on the wrap? Did we do anything else? 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.180 I packed my truck. So we packed trailers and 00:21:53.180 --> 00:21:57.359 stuff. Trailer's ready to go. So do you guys 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:01.099 have any spare parts you're bringing? I'm bringing 00:22:01.099 --> 00:22:10.640 CV axles, rear axle shafts. I think that's it, 00:22:10.700 --> 00:22:16.279 actually. Okay. Oil and stuff? Well, of course. 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:21.160 Of course. Yeah, just checking. What about windshield 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:23.119 washer fluid? Or are you going to get that in 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.920 the way? I had a jug already. I just threw it 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:30.579 in my truck Monday morning. We got coolant? Yeah, 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:32.359 I had to buy a new one because my coolant was 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:37.819 actually low to begin with. I'll just use garden 00:22:37.819 --> 00:22:45.240 hose. Yeah. We got scanners. Yep. Always. Okay. 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.839 Just trying to make sure. Yeah, my scanner lives 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:52.980 on my MOLLE panel on the back window. Mine's 00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:55.980 in the back MOLLE as well. Mine's just hanging 00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:58.339 on the glove box. Forgot you even have one. Yeah, 00:22:58.380 --> 00:23:03.380 he's had to fix his Toyota every couple miles. 00:23:04.180 --> 00:23:10.420 We fixed that. Thank gosh. That was a stupid 00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:14.240 thing too. That was. Oh, let's just have the 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.779 sensor free hanging by the hot exhaust that's 00:23:16.779 --> 00:23:20.880 going to trip your sensor every once in a while 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:27.140 after a blue moon. We moved that sensor. Once 00:23:27.140 --> 00:23:29.559 or twice a trip. We moved that sensor away from 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:31.440 the hot exhaust pipe, and it's been fine ever 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:35.700 since. What's the meal plan? Are you guys doing 00:23:35.700 --> 00:23:39.400 anything special, or is it all hot dogs and baked 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:43.319 beans? We're doing walking tacos one day. Okay. 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:47.019 I think we're doing steak another night. Nice. 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:50.900 Yeah, steak one night. So steak, walking tacos, 00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:55.940 wraps for lunch. Yep. I think we might get hot 00:23:55.940 --> 00:24:00.799 dogs. You know those microwavable Jimmy Dean 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.900 sandwiches? Mm -hmm. We should get those for 00:24:04.900 --> 00:24:07.240 breakfast, and we can just wrap them in tinfoil 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:13.259 and heat them up. Could. True. This last weekend, 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.599 I did something I saw someone else do on TikTok. 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:20.559 They cut their muffins in half, and they set 00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:24.660 them on a pan with butter, and holy fucking shit, 00:24:24.740 --> 00:24:28.019 I will never eat a muffin at camp the same. It 00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:31.380 made the muffin really nice and crispy with the 00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:34.900 butter, gave it that grilled cheese kind of crispy 00:24:34.900 --> 00:24:38.359 consistency, warmed it up really good. Oh, my 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:43.039 God, it was delicious. And then if you make some 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.039 sausage and some egg and slap it in the middle 00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:52.019 with just a touch of syrup or some of that black 00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:55.740 truffle hot sauce, you'd have, like, a fantastic 00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:57.359 breakfast sandwich. You're on to something. You 00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:59.000 know, I didn't even think about that, and I had 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:01.700 all the ingredients sitting on the plate. I swear 00:25:01.700 --> 00:25:04.599 to God. Yeah, dude. I kept eating it. I was like, 00:25:04.700 --> 00:25:07.740 oh, my God, this is crispy. It was a blueberry 00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.940 muffin, so I was like, dude, this is delicious. 00:25:11.259 --> 00:25:14.759 Dude, a blueberry muffin with sausage, egg, and 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.299 black truffle hot sauce. It would be phenomenal. 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:22.559 Yeah. I use that on everything. One more thing 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:24.559 while I'm thinking about it. I'm going to go 00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:29.039 on Blake's hard cider website. and shoot them 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:32.140 an email and see if they'll... Maybe not sponsor 00:25:32.140 --> 00:25:39.940 us, but, like, we give them free publicity. It 00:25:39.940 --> 00:25:44.460 just sent us a pallet of... Not necessarily a 00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:46.700 pallet, but a case of once a week or something. 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.859 Hmm. They have no contact us on their... Aw. 00:25:55.000 --> 00:26:02.569 Yeah. Speaking of truffle sauce, do you think 00:26:02.569 --> 00:26:06.730 we need one or two bottles? We only need one. 00:26:06.829 --> 00:26:14.470 Okay. I was just trying to think of how much 00:26:14.470 --> 00:26:18.549 we're going to go through. I was telling Ed about 00:26:18.549 --> 00:26:20.269 that, and he's like, yeah, that shit's so good. 00:26:20.289 --> 00:26:23.890 You got some? I was like, yeah, I got some. He's 00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:26.789 like, sweet. Like, fucking, he was eating, like. 00:26:27.660 --> 00:26:33.619 fajitas or something one of the nights yeah and 00:26:33.619 --> 00:26:38.460 that's some good stuff it's just got enough spice 00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:43.740 it's not too crazy but it's enough that you can 00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:47.000 pile it on there and you get all the flavor you 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:52.720 get all the spice it's perfect yeah and it's 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.750 not that expensive No. No, the trough sauce is, 00:26:56.910 --> 00:26:59.569 but it does give a different flavor than the 00:26:59.569 --> 00:27:04.470 Melinda's. Yeah. Melinda's is pretty great, though. 00:27:04.789 --> 00:27:06.930 I mean, she makes really good. That green sauce 00:27:06.930 --> 00:27:09.410 is really good on eggs and stuff in the morning, 00:27:09.430 --> 00:27:12.490 too, if you like more of a savory. Oh, super 00:27:12.490 --> 00:27:15.170 good. I like mixing both of the red sauce and 00:27:15.170 --> 00:27:21.390 the green sauce. So I did find their Facebook 00:27:21.390 --> 00:27:25.259 page, and I sent them an email. Hey, man, shoot 00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:27.240 for the moon. I shot for the moon earlier today. 00:27:27.299 --> 00:27:30.319 I applied for a job at Jetboil. It was a remote 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.700 position. That'd be a pretty slick job, though. 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:39.640 Yeah, it was like a marketing and like a search 00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:45.059 and develop kind of thing. Hey, I'm your guy. 00:27:45.099 --> 00:27:48.700 I'm Overlander. As I said, in the thing, they're 00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:51.180 like, do you use our product? I'm like, almost 00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:58.619 every weekend I'm out. All the time. I shot for 00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:02.420 the mood somewhat a little while ago and applied 00:28:02.420 --> 00:28:07.940 for a job at GoTenna. Yeah, I've been shooting 00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:11.440 for the moon all day today, applying for jobs 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.200 that are way over my head. But hey, you never 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:19.140 know. I mean, the worst that they could say is 00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:23.009 no. And I'm just out the little bit of time it 00:28:23.009 --> 00:28:25.990 took to apply. But if they say yes and I get 00:28:25.990 --> 00:28:28.849 an interview, that's good enough for me to try 00:28:28.849 --> 00:28:34.650 to get my way in there. Yeah. I mean, it's kind 00:28:34.650 --> 00:28:37.750 of where I'm at. Like, I applied Gotenna and 00:28:37.750 --> 00:28:42.130 another mesh network. I don't remember who the 00:28:42.130 --> 00:28:44.069 other one was. Gotenna is the one I really wanted, 00:28:44.109 --> 00:28:48.430 though. So it's a job I'd enjoy, you know, getting 00:28:48.430 --> 00:28:51.009 to play with basically Meshtastic, but on a giant 00:28:51.009 --> 00:28:54.009 scale. Yeah, that's kind of what I was looking 00:28:54.009 --> 00:28:56.609 for, is I was trying to find a remote position 00:28:56.609 --> 00:29:01.130 in the camping, overlanding industry. Not a whole 00:29:01.130 --> 00:29:03.950 lot out there, obviously, and even less with 00:29:03.950 --> 00:29:08.029 my qualifications, but sales, marketing, research 00:29:08.029 --> 00:29:10.750 and development stuff, I have a little bit of 00:29:10.750 --> 00:29:14.529 experience with. So I might, you know, get in 00:29:14.529 --> 00:29:19.460 there. Hey, Mark. You know how we thought that 00:29:19.460 --> 00:29:22.819 Blake's Hard Cider was a New York thing? I didn't 00:29:22.819 --> 00:29:27.059 say it was a New York thing. No, they're bottled 00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:29.160 in New York. It's on their label. Oh, by Ball? 00:29:31.660 --> 00:29:34.460 Or something like that, yeah. Anyways, did you 00:29:34.460 --> 00:29:36.460 know that they're actually from Armada, Michigan? 00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:40.579 Yeah, I knew that. I didn't. I thought I told 00:29:40.579 --> 00:29:44.119 you it was a Michigan brand. No, that's sick. 00:29:44.259 --> 00:29:46.319 And I guess they're teaming up with Carhartt 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.480 to do something soon. So that's two Michigan 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:53.940 -made products in one little tool bag, I guess. 00:29:54.220 --> 00:29:59.039 I guess we should talk to Carhartt. You didn't 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.759 know Carhartt was Michigan? Nope, I did not know 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:05.599 that. We should team up with Stormy. What is 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:09.319 it, Storm? What's that? Stormy Daniels? Oh, yeah, 00:30:09.380 --> 00:30:12.460 we should team up with her, too. No, we should 00:30:12.460 --> 00:30:16.960 team up with Carhartt, Blake's, and Stormy Cromer. 00:30:19.220 --> 00:30:23.279 Because those are Michigan, too, I think. Get 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:24.980 these Michigan brands in here. Yeah, Carhartt's 00:30:24.980 --> 00:30:29.180 headquartered out of Dearborn. Huh. Never knew 00:30:29.180 --> 00:30:32.460 that. Yeah, the more you know. Yeah. I'll be 00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:35.759 honest, I didn't know that either. And do you 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:39.779 guys remember Red Wing Boots? Yeah, I think I 00:30:39.779 --> 00:30:41.880 knew they were. I think they're out of Detroit. 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.099 Big Rapids. Oh, Big Rapids, huh. I was going 00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:48.259 to say, was it Wolverine? Didn't Wolverine have 00:30:48.259 --> 00:30:50.720 like a headquarters in Rockford or something 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.900 like that? Oh, I'm sorry. Wolverine is the one 00:30:53.900 --> 00:30:58.579 that was out of Big Rapids. Oh. I was going to 00:30:58.579 --> 00:31:00.319 say, which form of Wolverine? Because there's 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.160 multiple Wolverine companies in Michigan. Yeah, 00:31:03.220 --> 00:31:07.759 the boot. Yeah. I guess that makes sense with 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:14.759 the name. I didn't really think about that. I 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.119 knew one of them was, but I mixed up. Red Wing 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:20.519 is a Michigan brand as well. Man, we're just 00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:26.559 killing it. Yeah. We're pretty cool. Back in 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.259 2017, Wolverine sold their factory in Big Rapids. 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:35.440 Yeah. Yeah, I know they were doing a lot of restructuring 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:37.539 and stuff. I've seen a lot of jobs posted for 00:31:37.539 --> 00:31:41.539 Wolverine. I just know there's also Wolverine 00:31:41.539 --> 00:31:46.859 natural gas and stuff too. Jesus. I'm sure there's 00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:51.900 a ton of Wolverine stuff. I didn't realize that 00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:54.920 their factory in Big Rapids was specifically 00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:59.160 for military boots. Huh. Wait, does that mean 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.839 Wolverine from X -Men? Aren't his colors blue 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.319 and yellow? The original? X -Men's in general 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:10.099 is blue and yellow. Does that mean he's from 00:32:10.099 --> 00:32:15.160 Michigan? I think it was slightly uncoordinated 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:19.200 in that part. I don't know. I was just thinking 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.380 about that. It's also a lighter blue. It is, 00:32:23.420 --> 00:32:27.710 yeah. It's like State Trooper blue. Do we have? 00:32:28.029 --> 00:32:30.809 He's Canadian. I was saying. Wow, I mean, people 00:32:30.809 --> 00:32:35.109 would argue that Michigan's half Canadian. Well, 00:32:35.230 --> 00:32:38.609 he's from Alberta, near the town of Cold Lake. 00:32:38.710 --> 00:32:43.250 Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, that's not very Michigandery. 00:32:44.509 --> 00:32:46.529 Nope, nope, not at all. I mean, technically, 00:32:46.710 --> 00:32:48.910 the Wolverines don't actually exist in Michigan. 00:32:48.990 --> 00:32:53.069 They only was reported like once or twice. I 00:32:53.069 --> 00:32:56.680 thought they did. That's a good. No. I don't 00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:58.599 think they actually lived here. They've just 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.740 been reported once or twice. Just the Ohioans 00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:11.500 called us Wolverines. They were very common, 00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.599 and then they got hunted out, and then for 200 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.680 years, there were none seen in Michigan. That's 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.279 right. Funny thing with Beaver Island, that's... 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.059 Beaver Island was known for that, too, until 00:33:24.059 --> 00:33:26.140 they hunted all the beaver off the island, and 00:33:26.140 --> 00:33:29.519 then DNR resupplied the island with Canadian 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:35.519 beavers. So they're resupplied Canadian beavers 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:41.319 now. Damn it. Yeah. We just have to figure out 00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:45.680 how to resupply the dodos, and then we can correct 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.740 all of our wrongs. Dodos, man. I'm still thinking 00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:54.240 dire wolves. Could you imagine that? We're going 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.880 to introduce a small population of dire wolves 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.480 in the UP. I think you just like camping one 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.500 day and this wolf, like as big as your truck, 00:34:02.539 --> 00:34:04.799 starts walking out from beyond the woods and 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.739 you're like, ew. But we didn't hunt out dire 00:34:08.739 --> 00:34:10.960 wolves, right? They died because they were just, 00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:13.119 you know, megafauna and that's just what happens 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.000 to megafauna. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it would 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.079 be so cool though to get like some of the ancient 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:24.820 elk or something back. As much as, okay, so this 00:34:24.820 --> 00:34:27.400 is going to be a hot take, and I don't fully 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.300 believe this, but it's plausible. Just hear me 00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:33.500 out as I say this, right? So elephants are clearly 00:34:33.500 --> 00:34:37.519 megafauna, right? Yep. And historically, megafauna 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.380 always die out. The Earth just cannot support 00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:45.360 megafauna like that. So can we really blame humans 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.659 for the downfall of elephants if megafauna just 00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:52.019 isn't possible in general? I think so. And my 00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:54.059 reason is because it's mostly through poaching 00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:58.480 that elephants have been killed. And I think... 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.420 Actually, it's not poaching's been the big one 00:35:01.420 --> 00:35:04.900 on them. It's not deforestation, but they're... 00:35:04.900 --> 00:35:08.199 Same thing. Their environment is getting destroyed 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:11.980 to build houses. Well, then, kind of. Yeah. I 00:35:11.980 --> 00:35:15.699 mean, if they don't have the materials to eat, 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.719 then... And it's because of us, mostly. Because 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.429 I think... Typically, if we were to leave elephants 00:35:22.429 --> 00:35:24.989 alone, I think they'd be fine. Same thing with 00:35:24.989 --> 00:35:27.090 giraffes. I mean, they're like a megafauna in 00:35:27.090 --> 00:35:31.469 a way. See, I don't necessarily think they'd 00:35:31.469 --> 00:35:34.050 be fine just because historically megafauna always 00:35:34.050 --> 00:35:37.449 die out after like a couple thousand years. I 00:35:37.449 --> 00:35:39.210 don't know. I think they're just the evolved 00:35:39.210 --> 00:35:42.329 versions. I mean, they're much smaller comparatively. 00:35:43.130 --> 00:35:48.269 And they're adapted for that area. I think they 00:35:48.269 --> 00:35:51.030 would be fine if humans, like if humans just 00:35:51.030 --> 00:35:52.489 disappeared off the earth, I think they'd be 00:35:52.489 --> 00:35:56.590 fine. I think they'd continue to get smaller. 00:35:59.969 --> 00:36:02.710 Because historically, that's what megafauna do. 00:36:02.809 --> 00:36:05.150 They just continue to get smaller. You know what 00:36:05.150 --> 00:36:10.289 I want? I want giant sloths back, man. I think 00:36:10.289 --> 00:36:13.230 that's just the, like I think everything will 00:36:13.230 --> 00:36:16.929 continue to get smaller as... the world progresses 00:36:16.929 --> 00:36:19.690 to a point to where something really big happens 00:36:19.690 --> 00:36:26.570 and we get a reset. And then megafauna is introduced 00:36:26.570 --> 00:36:30.730 again through years and years. Because I think, 00:36:30.849 --> 00:36:34.190 I mean, wasn't fauna and stuff like that, the 00:36:34.190 --> 00:36:37.429 reason it was mega was because it was untouched 00:36:37.429 --> 00:36:42.750 by animals for so long. And then once they evolved 00:36:42.750 --> 00:36:47.280 to land moving creatures, then it was an issue. 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.000 Like, you know what I'm saying? Because plants 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:54.320 and trees and fauna were there before animals 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.659 had evolved to walk on land. And then once they 00:36:58.659 --> 00:37:02.400 walked on land and started consuming the faunas 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.440 when it became an issue, I don't know. I don't 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.920 know that timeline. Or they weren't and they 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:11.099 were created big and then just continued to get 00:37:11.099 --> 00:37:14.980 smaller. I don't know. I don't know. Most megafauna. 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.059 Isn't mammalian, is that how you say that, mammalian? 00:37:20.139 --> 00:37:23.659 Yeah, sounds right. Most megafauna is like lizard 00:37:23.659 --> 00:37:33.159 or reptile. So, yeah. We don't have to get into 00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:38.820 this whole debate. This is where we need to start 00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:44.699 another channel just on this stuff. If you're 00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:47.960 like me and you believe in, or if you're a creationalist, 00:37:48.139 --> 00:37:56.400 before the flood, humans lived to be 800 to 1 00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.960 ,000 years old. It wasn't an uncommon thing for 00:37:59.960 --> 00:38:02.480 that to happen. So why wouldn't animals do the 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.320 same thing? Well, lizards don't stop growing 00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:08.199 their entire life. So if you've got a lizard 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.420 that lived to be, okay, let's say a tortoise, 00:38:10.420 --> 00:38:12.639 right? Let's say you've got a tortoise that lived 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.659 to be, They already live to be hundreds of years 00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:17.280 old. So let's say you have one that lived to 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:19.760 be thousands of years old. Who's to say that's 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.239 not going to be a massive fucking tortoise? I 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.500 mean, yeah, I think the general consensus with 00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:28.300 even with like sharks and stuff is they continue 00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:30.739 to grow as well as long as they have food chain 00:38:30.739 --> 00:38:34.920 to support said growth. And with the diminished 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.739 food chain through human existence, I think. 00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:42.199 It's just become harder and harder for these 00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:47.840 animals to have such a large amount of food available. 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:53.460 So they have to. Unless they're in the Mariana 00:38:53.460 --> 00:38:55.519 Trench because we got a megalodon down there, 00:38:55.579 --> 00:38:58.159 I swear it. Well, and we have giant, giant squid 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.099 still. And like there are, I mean, theories to 00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:04.519 support that kind of thing, but I don't know. 00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:07.360 Like I said, this is a, we should just make a 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.539 cryptid podcast or conspiracy podcast and have 00:39:10.539 --> 00:39:13.840 that on the side. This isn't really conspiracy, 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.920 though. I guess it would depend on who they talk 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:18.880 to, because I know a girl who I was working with 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:24.800 who thought we lived in a globe. So, yeah. Well, 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.980 that's one, okay, that's some librarian -ass 00:39:27.980 --> 00:39:30.900 shit. No, that's, she's like, she thinks that 00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:34.000 we're in, like, this, like. She don't think we 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.239 ever went to space, which is not, we're not getting 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.940 into the space debate, but she's like, nobody's 00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:42.139 ever been to outer space. It's not real. The 00:39:42.139 --> 00:39:47.119 sun's not real. It's just, it's like, oh my God. 00:39:47.139 --> 00:39:50.059 And every star, everything, it's all just stars. 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.619 And it's like, there's no such thing as planets. 00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:58.300 And I'm like, thank God you're 16. Cause you 00:39:58.300 --> 00:40:02.289 got some, I'm hoping that that kicks in. At some 00:40:02.289 --> 00:40:04.969 point where you're like, so, and then she goes, 00:40:05.030 --> 00:40:09.210 scientists, they just start off of other people's 00:40:09.210 --> 00:40:13.110 books. They're not creating it on their own. 00:40:13.170 --> 00:40:14.929 So they're just going off what other people say. 00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:17.170 And I'm like, yeah, but this is based off of 00:40:17.170 --> 00:40:21.210 lots of research, mathematical equations and 00:40:21.210 --> 00:40:24.130 time. I do think there's a lot of bunk science 00:40:24.130 --> 00:40:27.809 because they build off bunk science. And I do 00:40:27.809 --> 00:40:30.210 agree with that, but I also believe that space 00:40:30.210 --> 00:40:33.070 is real. Like, I don't believe. I know space 00:40:33.070 --> 00:40:39.030 is real, guys. And the Earth is flat. And the 00:40:39.030 --> 00:40:42.409 Earth is an octagon. Actually, it's a hexahedron. 00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:48.309 Yeah. And this all has to do with off -road, 00:40:48.469 --> 00:40:52.519 because... The way that we drive off -road is 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:56.639 affected because Earth is either flat or hexahedron. 00:40:56.659 --> 00:41:00.099 You know, not everything has to be off -road. 00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:03.639 We start off -road. We can drift around. Like, 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.380 who wants to just listen to us be like, this 00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:09.119 is the test I'm trying this week. No, people 00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.519 want to hear us get down and dirty about dumb 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:16.380 shit. This is what they come for. Or, I don't 00:41:16.380 --> 00:41:19.440 know. Well, I mean, you guys should chime in 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.980 and say, do you guys think we should keep it 00:41:21.980 --> 00:41:24.539 pointed? Let's let the listeners decide. I've 00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:25.559 heard a joke recently. Or do we let our ADHD 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.840 just run wild? I heard a joke recently. Okay, 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.800 what's your joke? Do you agree with a flat earth? 00:41:31.860 --> 00:41:34.679 Yeah, it's flat on six sides and see how bad 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:43.099 they malfunction. Yeah. But no, and I don't know. 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.199 But if you believe in creationism, you believe 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.179 in the giants. Yeah. Which means you believe 00:41:50.179 --> 00:41:53.840 in the fact that the angels came down and mated 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.840 with humans. Yeah. Which means that they made 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:04.179 half -breeds. Mm -hmm. Which means that the angels, 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:06.760 because of all God's creation they fell in love 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:12.579 with, could have mated with giant monkeys. And 00:42:12.579 --> 00:42:17.219 made... Bigger megafauna? Yeah. Like Bigfoot. 00:42:18.099 --> 00:42:20.800 And why we can't see them is because they have 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:24.880 some of that angelic, magical presence that keeps 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:29.500 them hidden. Yeah. You know what? Bigfoot is 00:42:29.500 --> 00:42:32.420 just a halfling and we're just going to have 00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:35.360 to deal with it. Yep. Same thing with like chupacabra 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.679 and skinwalkers. I mean, it's very possible. 00:42:39.299 --> 00:42:42.320 If you believe in that creationism and in that 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.920 magic... Skinwalkers are definitely aliens. There's 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:48.119 no way around that one. Well, so you believe 00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.300 in creationism, but you also believe in aliens? 00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:56.079 Yep. See, I do too. But not creationalism, I 00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.219 think. I don't know what I believe. I think there 00:42:58.219 --> 00:43:01.739 are gods out there, but... I see absolutely no 00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:05.880 reason why there wouldn't be other planets than 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:10.500 just ours. That just does not fit with - I have 00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:12.260 a hard time believing that God could just choose 00:43:12.260 --> 00:43:17.659 one test subject and be like - I did all this 00:43:17.659 --> 00:43:19.179 in seven days. On top of that - What about the 00:43:19.179 --> 00:43:23.679 other days? Don't you get bored? On top of that, 00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:26.599 okay, I get it. God's the one true God, but who's 00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:28.480 to say that there aren't other gods for other 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.780 planets in different places? Well, and I don't 00:43:31.780 --> 00:43:35.699 know that. There's like - interpretations that 00:43:35.699 --> 00:43:37.880 said that god had a wife which would be a god 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:41.659 or a mother yeah because god has to come from 00:43:41.659 --> 00:43:46.900 somewhere yeah you can't just exist because you 00:43:46.900 --> 00:43:50.199 made existence like something has to come before 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:54.420 you our god is the only god that i'm going to 00:43:54.420 --> 00:43:57.300 worship but that doesn't mean that there aren't 00:43:57.300 --> 00:44:00.500 gods for other planets in different places because 00:44:00.500 --> 00:44:04.380 god there's no reason there can't be more And 00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:06.820 who's to say they haven't come down here and 00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:10.860 played? I mean, if they have that kind of power. 00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.900 I don't remember the exact theory behind it, 00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:17.099 but I guess the theory is that Loki is actually 00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:19.639 the only god right now after he killed off everyone 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.400 else. Yeah, I've heard that theory. Yeah, I saw 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.800 that one. I think it's like, this is going to 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.360 be weird, but I think it's a lot like, have you 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:32.909 guys seen American Gods? I have not yet. The 00:44:32.909 --> 00:44:36.510 theory behind that is it's like a popularity 00:44:36.510 --> 00:44:40.690 -based thing. So the more popularity you have 00:44:40.690 --> 00:44:44.269 as a god, the more powerful you are. Yeah. So 00:44:44.269 --> 00:44:50.809 to me, it would make sense that, like, pagan 00:44:50.809 --> 00:44:55.269 gods aren't seen as much or maybe have less influence, 00:44:55.329 --> 00:44:58.269 less power because they're such a lesser god 00:44:58.269 --> 00:45:01.099 now because there's so many. like so few people 00:45:01.099 --> 00:45:05.559 worshiping them anymore compared to the big ones 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:10.480 like america yeah real quick was american gods 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:14.280 on stars i can't remember um you guys you should 00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:20.099 add hbo was it like 2017 time frame yeah i think 00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:24.760 so but you should definitely there was a a mysterious 00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.949 man who called himself wednesday yes Yes. Okay, 00:45:30.030 --> 00:45:32.170 cool. I'll download it. Yeah, if you guys would 00:45:32.170 --> 00:45:35.170 really like that, if you like that whole... Because 00:45:35.170 --> 00:45:38.670 then there's a point to where new gods come into 00:45:38.670 --> 00:45:42.190 it because new gods can be formed. There's a 00:45:42.190 --> 00:45:45.550 technology god and stuff like that because they 00:45:45.550 --> 00:45:48.750 could be formed by belief and the more followers 00:45:48.750 --> 00:45:51.690 you have towards something like that. And I kind 00:45:51.690 --> 00:45:53.829 of would submit to that because that makes sense 00:45:53.829 --> 00:45:58.210 to me. There's no all good. There's no all evil. 00:45:58.829 --> 00:46:01.610 There are many gods doing different things with 00:46:01.610 --> 00:46:05.010 different aims. There are gods for seasons, gods 00:46:05.010 --> 00:46:07.329 for this, gods for that. And it would make more 00:46:07.329 --> 00:46:09.750 sense for the world of chaos that we live in 00:46:09.750 --> 00:46:13.789 now. And maybe that's just my way of reasoning 00:46:13.789 --> 00:46:19.210 because I just can't fathom a child being sick 00:46:19.210 --> 00:46:23.590 from birth being part of like the one true God's 00:46:23.590 --> 00:46:25.960 plan. You know what I mean? Like, that's a plan 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.400 that shouldn't have to happen. Oh, I can. Yeah, 00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.159 but that's just my opinion. So I definitely not. 00:46:32.179 --> 00:46:35.880 It doesn't say that, you know, God doesn't say 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.099 that he made the world perfect. He doesn't claim 00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:42.519 that everything he does is to make us happy. 00:46:42.619 --> 00:46:45.960 Like, it's quite the opposite. Yeah, and is that 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.679 something that you want to put all your stock 00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:53.840 in either? Like. like to me i yeah i'd rather 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.800 do it and be i don't know to me like i can't 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.500 put my stock in it yeah i just i just can't put 00:47:00.500 --> 00:47:03.840 my stock into something that would create an 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:07.260 innocent life and then destroy it on a teaching 00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:12.679 principle or for some greater good or something 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.659 like that i mean if you're all powerful then 00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:19.699 then you could stop that I mean, it would make 00:47:19.699 --> 00:47:22.500 more sense to me that there were other gods working 00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:25.539 against. Once you start saying that, though, 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.659 once you start saying that, you're taking away 00:47:27.659 --> 00:47:32.500 free will, too. So. Well, then he pretty much 00:47:32.500 --> 00:47:35.539 hands off the wheel thousands of years ago and 00:47:35.539 --> 00:47:39.519 is like, do your own thing. At that point, you 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.559 know what I mean? Yeah. Which would be fine, 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.550 too, in that sense. I'd be like, okay, I get 00:47:45.550 --> 00:47:47.650 it. He hands off the wheel to us because we chose 00:47:47.650 --> 00:47:51.449 free will. And, you know, that would make more 00:47:51.449 --> 00:47:55.190 sense from, you know, as soon as Eve ate the 00:47:55.190 --> 00:47:58.449 apple, he was like, all right, you guys want 00:47:58.449 --> 00:48:00.550 to do this on your own? You don't want my help? 00:48:00.610 --> 00:48:03.989 Then fuck it. Go ahead. These are the rules. 00:48:04.150 --> 00:48:08.110 I mean, he's still there if you need him. Yeah. 00:48:09.489 --> 00:48:13.050 Yeah, it's a lot of, like, definitely answering 00:48:13.050 --> 00:48:16.579 system. It's like you're like, please leave a 00:48:16.579 --> 00:48:21.380 message after the beat. And this is just me. 00:48:21.699 --> 00:48:25.860 And I absolutely, I'm not arguing anybody else's 00:48:25.860 --> 00:48:28.480 religion. This is my experience with it. And 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:32.480 if you guys believe in God and anybody, even 00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.880 the listeners, this isn't me discounting your 00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:38.059 belief any means. This is just me talking about 00:48:38.059 --> 00:48:43.559 mine. That's all. I miss you guys. Your camera 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.780 feeds went away a while ago. It's got that Walmart 00:48:47.780 --> 00:48:53.340 internet over there still. Yeah. Speaking of, 00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:55.099 man. Is that living in the middle of nowhere? 00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:58.079 Well, you have such fields over there, man. Have 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.059 you looked into Starlink? Is that going to be 00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:04.599 a thing for you in the future? Dude, we would 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:06.900 not be having this conversation on Starlink. 00:49:07.460 --> 00:49:10.260 We're not right now. We're definitely not right 00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:15.369 now. Can you hear me? His internet heard Starlink 00:49:15.369 --> 00:49:16.710 and said, we're not going to work. I'm sure on 00:49:16.710 --> 00:49:18.750 his recording you can hear him, but he just dropped 00:49:18.750 --> 00:49:24.010 on our end. Yeah. So the thing is that Starlink, 00:49:24.110 --> 00:49:27.610 although it has faster speeds, it has much slower... 00:49:27.610 --> 00:49:31.650 Oh, man, the term is eluding me right now. Give 00:49:31.650 --> 00:49:33.789 me a second. Yeah, his internet's going out again, 00:49:33.849 --> 00:49:38.130 I think. Give me a second. Let me see what's 00:49:38.130 --> 00:49:40.750 going on. No, it's not actually. I was just making 00:49:40.750 --> 00:49:45.610 excuses for you while you thought. Oh. Yeah, 00:49:45.610 --> 00:49:48.570 so latency on Starlink is really bad, and it 00:49:48.570 --> 00:49:51.510 makes phone calls or video calls a lot harder. 00:49:53.949 --> 00:49:56.389 I actually don't know what's going on with mine 00:49:56.389 --> 00:50:01.530 because it's usually not this bad. It's probably 00:50:01.530 --> 00:50:07.909 Obama. Thanks, Obama. Oh, he's gone. He's gone 00:50:07.909 --> 00:50:10.869 gone. All right. Welcome to the Mark and Gavin 00:50:10.869 --> 00:50:14.550 show. Yeah. And again, you get the good ones. 00:50:15.929 --> 00:50:20.510 So if he ever joins back. Oh, did I fix it? And 00:50:20.510 --> 00:50:24.849 you go out or two all of a sudden. I fixed it. 00:50:24.929 --> 00:50:30.980 Hell yeah. As he freezes. Did I? Yeah, no, latency 00:50:30.980 --> 00:50:33.719 on Starlink's a lot worse. My dad had Starlink 00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:35.539 and actually switched to what I have because 00:50:35.539 --> 00:50:38.599 it was so bad. Does he still have the Starlink 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:44.280 stuff? He got rid of it. Dang it. I'm definitely 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.000 going to be looking into getting, like, Starlink 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:50.820 Mini or something for the overlanding. I just 00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:55.480 want to be able to upload. So it's really hard 00:50:55.480 --> 00:51:01.739 coming home and uploading 100 pictures. It's 00:51:01.739 --> 00:51:04.519 not hard if you're doing it on a nightly basis 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.960 when you're chilling by the campfire. And it's 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:13.920 also something I enjoy doing. I also just realized 00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.280 why my internet's being so slow. Because you 00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:21.269 have downloads from Steam. No, he's starting 00:51:21.269 --> 00:51:24.250 to download the episodes. I just started downloading 00:51:24.250 --> 00:51:30.030 American Gods. That would make sense. You know, 00:51:30.070 --> 00:51:32.550 you should work for IT because your problem solving 00:51:32.550 --> 00:51:37.389 for this stuff is, this is great. You really 00:51:37.389 --> 00:51:43.190 do have a future in IT, Alex. I think. I mean, 00:51:43.210 --> 00:51:46.829 I did IT for a long time. You should do some 00:51:46.829 --> 00:51:50.670 more studying on it and then go remote. and work 00:51:50.670 --> 00:51:55.969 IT, cybersecurity, and then you can travel with 00:51:55.969 --> 00:52:01.929 us along the country. I actually could pretty 00:52:01.929 --> 00:52:04.389 easily. I have all my certs, and I actually did 00:52:04.389 --> 00:52:07.690 it for quite a while. And I still do it a little 00:52:07.690 --> 00:52:10.070 bit, not a lot. I was going to say, go to FlexJobs 00:52:10.070 --> 00:52:12.150 and look up gigs for it. Make some extra money. 00:52:13.829 --> 00:52:16.889 I've been looking on FlexJobs. It's more remote 00:52:16.889 --> 00:52:22.449 stuff, more gigs. If you try to work remotely, 00:52:22.710 --> 00:52:24.989 it's actually a pretty cool spot. It's got a 00:52:24.989 --> 00:52:29.389 lot of jobs on there. And they're all pretty 00:52:29.389 --> 00:52:31.530 much remote jobs. There's some hybrid. Be cool. 00:52:34.670 --> 00:52:38.710 Yeah. I mean, the dream is to eventually find 00:52:38.710 --> 00:52:41.090 a job that I can work remotely, that I can work 00:52:41.090 --> 00:52:51.840 remotely from a campsite. There is a camp management 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:56.000 job where you have to live on the state parks 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:59.880 camps. You know those jobs? Yeah. Have you seen 00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:03.059 them? Yeah. There is one of those up in the UP 00:53:03.059 --> 00:53:07.659 that I wish I could do. You have to have a camper 00:53:07.659 --> 00:53:13.159 and stuff, though. Do you have to have a camper? 00:53:13.300 --> 00:53:19.050 On that one, it actually said you did. They want 00:53:19.050 --> 00:53:20.650 you to live there, but if you choose not to, 00:53:20.750 --> 00:53:25.809 you're on call. Yeah. But it's like $2 ,000. 00:53:25.829 --> 00:53:28.969 I paused the download. Good. It's like $2 ,800 00:53:28.969 --> 00:53:32.530 a month or something like that, so it's not too 00:53:32.530 --> 00:53:35.909 bad, I don't think, but it's seasonal. No, that 00:53:35.909 --> 00:53:40.849 ain't bad at all. That's more than I make. So 00:53:40.849 --> 00:53:45.909 I thought about it for a second, and then I decided, 00:53:46.170 --> 00:53:49.190 meh, all right, well. I would have to live there, 00:53:49.250 --> 00:53:54.230 basically. Yeah. Yeah. But, all right, I got 00:53:54.230 --> 00:53:55.969 to do some editing, so we should really call 00:53:55.969 --> 00:54:02.690 this one. Fine. I guess. Because, oh, real quick, 00:54:02.789 --> 00:54:04.670 we're going to talk about this on here so the 00:54:04.670 --> 00:54:07.110 listeners know it's your fault. I'm going to 00:54:07.110 --> 00:54:10.190 edit these and get them up and schedule them, 00:54:10.289 --> 00:54:13.369 and then if you could get in and do chapter art 00:54:13.369 --> 00:54:15.170 for them, that would be killer. As soon as they're 00:54:15.170 --> 00:54:19.929 up, I'll work on it. Cool. I'll have both the 00:54:19.929 --> 00:54:22.010 one we did yesterday that's a bonus episode, 00:54:22.110 --> 00:54:24.690 which they'll already know about by the time 00:54:24.690 --> 00:54:29.289 that they hear this. And then, yeah. So let's 00:54:29.289 --> 00:54:32.250 do that. Yeah. All right. We'll catch you guys 00:54:32.250 --> 00:54:33.969 later. Later. All right. Later.