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1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Welcome to Botches

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Offroad. Join us as we talk about everything

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from gear reviews to trail stories, tent camping

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to rock landing, and all things to do with the

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outdoors. I really held on to that all longer

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than I intended, but... Mark, Gavin, you guys

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are here. You're alive. You survived another

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week. Yeah. Barely. Barely. Barely. Dude, I don't

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know why this week's been so fucking crazy. Yeah,

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I had a bad night Tuesday, or Monday night. Ended

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up staying home Tuesday. Had some 0 out of 10.

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uh, stomach issues don't recommend. So I definitely,

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so we recorded Wednesday, Thursday, no, we recorded

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Thursday, Thursday, Friday. I was supposed to

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edit it and I helped get Duncan with his truck

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Saturday. Same thing. Sunday, same thing. Monday,

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same thing. Then Tuesday rolled around and, And

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I kind of realized that I was supposed to release

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an episode back on Thursday. So the listeners

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didn't get an episode until last night. Yep.

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Sorry. They're a whole week behind. I'm the worst

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podcaster ever. Whoops. That's okay. It happens.

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Glad it happens. What's everyone drinking? I'm

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drinking well water. How, Gavin, how have you

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had the week that you've had and you don't have

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a beer in your hand? He's still not feeling good.

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No, I just don't like beer, you know. I actually,

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I could go get like a Seagram's. I think there's

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like a Seagram's in my fridge. Go get your Seagram's.

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Come on. Hurry up. Chop, chop. No, that's okay.

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That's okay. That's okay. Well. Mark, what do

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you got today? M43. Man, you drink a lot of those.

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I bought a six pack. That's like six nights worth

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of podcasting. So I got like one more left in

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the fridge for next week. I have a quarter of

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an M43 sitting here on my desk that I didn't

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finish. I have the age old favorite. They may

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as well sponsor us at this point. Is it El Chavo?

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I've got an El Chavo. Yeah. No, seriously, they

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may as well sponsor us. Yeah, they're already

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ready. Here's the crack. Oh, that was pretty.

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They are literally our garage slash camping beer

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or beer in general at this point for you and

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me. It's it's. Yeah, I don't know how I accidentally

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did that. And now we've got listeners that are

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sending me pictures. I mean. I mean, Shane sent

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me pictures, but I had another listener send

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me a picture on Instagram of his El Chavo. Oh,

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nice. They are definitely something different.

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They're fantastic is what they are. They are?

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Yeah. Speaking of listeners, yeah, we ran into

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one at Riggs and Coffee. Yep. Oh. Mitchell. What

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was his name again? Mitchell. Mitchell McPherson,

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right? McPherson Media or something like that?

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Yeah, I know that's his Instagram, but I'm pretty

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sure that's his last name. Oh, that guy? I know

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him. Yeah, we ran into him. I've met him before.

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I think I've also met him before. Oh. He seemed

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really familiar. He's very nice. Yeah, he's Alucab

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on it. Yep. Yeah. Yep. He came out to my... My

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cryptid hunt. Oh, okay. Oh, that's sick. Yeah,

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he's a nice guy. He lives up in the Traverse

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City area, so that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. I've

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actually gone with him a couple times. He was

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also up at the Labor Day weekend. He was parked

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right next to us. He had his little Starlink

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and all that. When Derek had to call the hospital

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for the... or the poison control for the brake

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fluid incident that he used Mitchell's Starlink.

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It's just brake fluid. But, yeah, he used Mitch's

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Starlink, so he's a good guy. He told me he would

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come out. He was like, I'm going to come. I'm

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coming, I promise, after work. And he kept his

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promise. About 2 a .m., he rolled into camp,

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nice and quiet, set up in about 30 minutes, if

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that. I mean, he had his decelerator and everything.

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A little bit of Overland news, I guess. I know,

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Gavin, you're usually on top of this stuff, so

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if I break this to you, I'm going to be surprised.

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How do you feel about the ex -Overland merger?

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Oh. Ex -Overland merging into... oh god they

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merged with overland journal uh and expedition

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portal oh yeah expedition portal is the only

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one i knew about yeah yeah um i'm cool with it

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um i don't really have any i'm just excited more

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to see what comes out of it i pretty much kept

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up on the xo podcast Yeah, I listened to the

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last XO podcast and I was like, man, this is

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really dry. But there's so much information.

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There's tons. They did, you know, I'm not a huge

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XOverland fan. I listen, I cherry pick what episodes

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I listen to. But they said something in this

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last one that kind of hit me. And it proved what

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I've been saying about how I'm not an overlander.

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I'm more of just a wheeler. So. And I think they

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are with what they said, they kind of alienated

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a large group of people that are, you know, in

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the overland space because they said that the

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only or overlanding is only vehicle based travel

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where you live out of your car. They don't count

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weekends. They don't count weeks. They think

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that overlanding is only when you're in it for

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multiple months at a time. I can see that. Makes

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sense. I would call that more of an expedition.

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Me too. Yeah. So I don't agree with their take

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on it. I think the Overland is whatever someone

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wants it to be. Yeah. I mean, it's always been

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that hot debate. I mean, if I was to give my

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definition on it, it's living out of your vehicle,

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and it's more... You're not staying at one place

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for three days. You have a destination in mind,

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and you travel to said destination and camp along

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the way to get to that destination. The only

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thing I don't agree with that is, who's to say

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you don't stay somewhere for three days? If I

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were to do a trip from, let's say I did the Pan

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American Highway, right? Who's to say I don't

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stop and stay somewhere for three days? That's

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still overlanding. I'm still vehicle traveling.

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I think as long as you keep going, that's fine.

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You know what I mean? I think as long as that

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three days is part of your travel and you still

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are traveling after, I think that's fine. But

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you know what? Honestly, I'll be honest, it's

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really not that big of a deal. No, it's not.

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I mean, the term and the people that try to gatekeep

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overlanding or camping. That's what I was getting

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at. Yeah. I was getting at the gatekeeping's

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dumb. Yeah. I mean, it's car camping if you really

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want to go there. I mean, I think the difference

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between overlanding and car camping is that overlanding

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go places that cars can't typically if you really

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want to be specific about it. I personally, and

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I talked to Benji yesterday. I called Benji.

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Yeah, you called Benji yesterday. And we kind

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of talked about our feelings on the overland

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space in general right now. And my big thing,

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kind of what I've taken out of it, because I've

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been thinking about this a lot today. Overlanding

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isn't really a hobby. It's an aesthetic to a

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hobby, which is wheeling. Yep. I kind of agree

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with that. The difference between wheeling and

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overlanding is that overlanders have an aesthetic

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that goes with it. Yeah. That's it. See, I would

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disagree with that because when someone tells

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me they're going wheeling, they're taking their

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truck out and do, you know, sink it in some mud

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and run it on the trail for a couple hours and

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then take it back home, fix it. When I think

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of wheeling, that's what I think of. Someone

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goes, hey, are you guys going wheeling tonight?

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I hear you, but really, overlanding is just extended

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wheeling. Wheeling also can be multi -day trips.

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Dog, get out of here. Wheeling can also be multi

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-day trips. The big thing to me, for you to be

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considered an overlander, it's an aesthetic thing.

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Yeah. Yeah. I honestly, I think I would just

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plainly say that I probably would disagree with

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that. Just on the basis of, I think if you really

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want to generalize anything, it could be under

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anything. But I mean, like, I mean, wheeling

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could be every, I mean, it could be motorcycles

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just going down trails. I mean, I don't know.

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I would think that overlanding has a destination,

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camp spots along the way, and you're off -road

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for hopefully most of it. Car camping would be

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you have a destination in mind. Overlanding really

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doesn't require you to be off -road, though.

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Yeah, but I think the general... consensus is

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that with overlanding, you're going some places

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that most people can't with their typical vehicle.

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So that would be the difference between car camping

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and overlanding. But we really don't see overlanders

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do that. No. They go to spots that the average

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vehicle can go. I mean, maybe you don't. I mean,

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I see spots that typical vehicles aren't going

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down. I mean, you're not taking a van down some

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of these trails. You're not taking, you know,

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a Ford Focus or anything like that. But maybe

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you are. I don't know. It's hard to go off of

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whatever video, you know, the clips of video

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you're going after, too. And that is why overlanding

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is a fake term and wheeling is a fake term, and

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we're all in the same big old basket. Yeah. I

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mean, at the end of the day, if you like to do

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the same things, because, I mean, If I was to

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qualify Alex, I'd say he's more into rock landing.

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Rock landing is just wheeling with extra steps.

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Exactly. He's more into the rock crawling, the

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more technical off -road. So, I mean, we all

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fall under the same category. We like to camp.

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We do. We like to go off -road. We like to find

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cool spots. We don't have to make it more difficult

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than that. You know, I'm just saying this gatekeeping

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and I, I saw a post, uh, I'm not going to air

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their laundry. I saw a post on, uh, I think it

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was Facebook that was kind of gatekeeping and

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it kind of set me down this path of why the hell

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are people like this? Yeah, I don't know. I just,

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I don't understand the gatekeeping. I think the

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people that do it professionally, um, I think

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maybe they have, I wouldn't say more right to

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it, but I think they have more experience to

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say, hey, you guys aren't on the same level as

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us. You know, you're not doing the same thing.

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What's the professional level of this? Like,

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really, there's no professional version of this.

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Professional is when you're getting paid to do

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it. That's my definition, I think. So, like,

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X Overland, that's about it, really. I mean,

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X Overland, anybody who gets paid by views. and

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makes a decent amount off of that, I would say

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is professional at that point. If you start to

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get paid for the videos you're putting out and

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it's substantial enough, I think that's professional.

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Or when you start moving away. Yeah. Speaking

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of podcasts, I want all of our listeners right

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now to go look up Outskirts Overland on their

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podcatcher of choice or YouTube. He does a live

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show every day. Charlie's shows are great. Charlie's

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a great guy. He's kind of getting. burnt out

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I think listening to him it sounds like he's

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kind of getting burnt out he's ready for his

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podcast to evolve and move beyond what it is

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and he's just he's not seeing the involvement

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he wants so listeners go listen to Charlie on

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Outskirts Overland I listen to him every day

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his show is great he's got a lot of good points

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he could step up his audio quality a little bit

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but you know When you're doing a show in your

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truck on your way to work every day, how do you

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expect good quality? Yeah. That makes sense.

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It doesn't make sense. Yeah, you can only do

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so much about that. Yep. Well, I guess on that

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note, let's move into wrap. Yeah, it's wrap time.

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So my weekend, nothing happened, of course, but

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my days leading up to it. I got my headlights

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from Freedom Outfitters. They sent them out,

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as I already said, right before they closed down.

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Then they closed down, shut their website off,

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everything. So I got my headlights in yesterday,

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immediately started putting them on, and they

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were great, and I did not have the turn signals.

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So there was an extra harness that was supposed

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to go to the turn signals that was all supposed

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to get connected into the one harness so everything

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worked together and I ended up having to splice

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some wires. Now I tried looking up some diagrams

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and when I looked at wiring diagrams for lighting

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On the FJ, it was like... Your eyes glaze over?

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Yeah, 100%. So what I ended up doing was stripping

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a little bit of wire off of each of them and

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seeing which one worked and which one didn't.

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I call that wiring by feel. I do it pretty often.

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Yeah, so there were three wires. I've said, well,

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I figure one of these is a ground and one of

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these is a positive. One of these is for something

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else. So I thought I found one. This is while

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the truck was off and the lights were on. Hooked

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it all up. The lights worked. Great. I'm like,

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cool. I turned the truck on. The lights turned

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off. Now, the LEDs, the headlight part did, but

00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:38.819
the little LED shroud around it did not. So I

00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:42.720
realized that I hooked up the LED shroud to the

00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.299
brights. So the only time it would turn on is

00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:48.180
if I turn the brights on. So I popped the hood

00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:53.059
again, un -taped all of it, and tried the other

00:21:53.059 --> 00:21:56.059
one and found the other wire that worked. Hooked

00:21:56.059 --> 00:21:59.640
those back up, taped them back up, and, yeah,

00:21:59.660 --> 00:22:04.799
we're all set. Good. I had to cut the new housings,

00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:08.640
which hurt a little bit. That way my Anderson

00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:13.109
connectors could still fit. because the way that

00:22:13.109 --> 00:22:17.549
I had that before, the cables going to the Anderson

00:22:17.549 --> 00:22:20.690
connector right under my headlight, they cut

00:22:20.690 --> 00:22:22.210
into the housing a little bit. That way they

00:22:22.210 --> 00:22:26.769
could actually fit. But it's all good. They look

00:22:26.769 --> 00:22:28.730
great. If you guys want to see them, you can

00:22:28.730 --> 00:22:30.609
go to my Instagram, Huckleberry's Adventures.

00:22:32.650 --> 00:22:34.609
They're on there. I have a little video on there

00:22:34.609 --> 00:22:37.430
right now, and they turned out very well. They're

00:22:37.430 --> 00:22:39.549
way brighter than my other ones, and they have

00:22:39.549 --> 00:22:43.259
a good cutoff. I didn't get flashed once yesterday,

00:22:43.339 --> 00:22:45.019
and they're still brighter than I've ever had

00:22:45.019 --> 00:22:50.440
before. And this reel you made, I already told

00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:52.859
you this, is by far the best reel you've ever

00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:56.140
made. Well, thank you, thank you. The cinematography

00:22:56.140 --> 00:23:01.420
is good. The audio is good. It took me TikTok

00:23:01.420 --> 00:23:07.269
and one toilet session to get that done. Hell

00:23:07.269 --> 00:23:10.470
yeah. I mean, TikTok actually has a pretty good

00:23:10.470 --> 00:23:15.529
editing for videos and stuff. So I do a lot of

00:23:15.529 --> 00:23:19.069
my editing and then music combinations off of

00:23:19.069 --> 00:23:22.930
TikTok first, save the video, post it on TikTok,

00:23:23.069 --> 00:23:25.869
then post it on Instagram and Facebook. Have

00:23:25.869 --> 00:23:29.190
you tried Instagram's new editor? Actually, it's

00:23:29.190 --> 00:23:31.170
funny you said that when I added that in last

00:23:31.170 --> 00:23:33.960
night. That stuff popped up, and I was like,

00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:36.779
ooh. I've seen all the stuff up there. It looks

00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:40.920
quite nice. So if you've seen the reel that I

00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.859
made with Duncan with his thumb up just tilted

00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:46.279
all over the screen, I made that with the new

00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:49.019
Instagram editor, and since then, every reel

00:23:49.019 --> 00:23:51.680
I've made has been with it. It's so good. Yeah,

00:23:51.779 --> 00:23:53.539
I'll be looking to do that soon. I want to get

00:23:53.539 --> 00:24:00.460
some more cinematographic. Um, footage of the

00:24:00.460 --> 00:24:02.759
FJ, something a little bit higher quality stuff,

00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:08.000
start posting it. So it's harder because I want

00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.920
to keep my phone to the side to get my cinematic

00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:14.680
footage. And it's, uh, you can't really do that

00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:16.799
with like TikTok and Instagram and Facebook.

00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:20.519
So I just got to remember that. And I have to

00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:23.779
remember to use my fricking dongle. I have one

00:24:23.779 --> 00:24:27.579
of the, one of those, uh, what do you call those?

00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:32.619
You like the chicken with the camera on it? Oh.

00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.960
Gimbal. Gimbal. Gimbal. Yeah. I have one of those.

00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:39.519
I should use it because it stabilizes me when

00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:43.700
I'm walking and stuff. Which reminds me, Alex,

00:24:43.779 --> 00:24:47.599
do you have a magnetic sticky ring that goes

00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:50.539
on the back of phones? Little metal rings? If

00:24:50.539 --> 00:24:53.700
you have any, let me know. A MagSafe? Yeah. I

00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:56.279
do not have another MagSafe right now. Because

00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:59.630
that's how it hooks on to that. So I got to find

00:24:59.630 --> 00:25:02.670
one. I'm sure I have one somewhere. I can send

00:25:02.670 --> 00:25:06.549
you the link to a really good one. I've put like

00:25:06.549 --> 00:25:08.769
three of them on my wife's phone and then she

00:25:08.769 --> 00:25:11.130
just rips them off someday and doesn't say anything.

00:25:11.490 --> 00:25:14.230
And they're like $20 a piece. So she's not getting

00:25:14.230 --> 00:25:20.210
one anymore. Womp womp. But they were good. Yeah.

00:25:20.269 --> 00:25:22.690
I have two of them right here in front of me.

00:25:22.730 --> 00:25:26.349
One on the Pixel 6. One on my Fairphone. There

00:25:26.349 --> 00:25:29.680
you go. But, yeah, I mean, that was pretty much

00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.880
my wrap. I mean, I'm not going – well, I'm going

00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:37.220
camping here tomorrow night. So I spent today

00:25:37.220 --> 00:25:39.539
just kind of prepping, cleaning out the truck,

00:25:40.099 --> 00:25:44.240
throwing out a bunch of stuff I don't need, consolidating

00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.779
electrical stuff into my Milwaukee box, and just

00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:51.579
checking batteries, checking headlamp, checking

00:25:51.579 --> 00:25:54.400
– I'm going to have to probably pick up my buddy

00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.380
here. Kind of thinking I was going to have a

00:25:56.380 --> 00:25:58.599
diesel heater by now. Said it's supposed to get

00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:01.500
into the 30s, and I won't use it this weekend,

00:26:01.579 --> 00:26:03.640
but it's just something I need to start thinking

00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:09.900
about for fall camping. Yep. So our wrap. What

00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:11.559
did we do this weekend? Oh, it was a camping

00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:14.319
work weekend. Oh, what did we do this weekend?

00:26:14.539 --> 00:26:16.920
I was going to say, just Dunkin's. You guys had

00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.279
something with the trailer too, didn't you? Oh,

00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:24.569
yeah. We had a lot. Did my truck. So first. We

00:26:24.569 --> 00:26:27.089
finished lifting the rear of Duncan's truck.

00:26:27.170 --> 00:26:30.410
That took all weekend, nonstop work. So Duncan's

00:26:30.410 --> 00:26:33.970
truck sits level now. It's not riding dirty anymore.

00:26:34.269 --> 00:26:35.849
It's somewhat level. I think we got to tweak

00:26:35.849 --> 00:26:38.890
the front down a little bit. Yeah, a little bit,

00:26:38.910 --> 00:26:40.569
but for the most part, it's level. It's a lot

00:26:40.569 --> 00:26:43.890
more level. Now it's not four -wheel drive because

00:26:43.890 --> 00:26:46.930
that's 529s in the back and 410s in the front.

00:26:47.109 --> 00:26:51.369
Yeah. So we got to get that other diff in there

00:26:51.369 --> 00:26:56.430
with the 529s. Yep. Yeah, this truck looks good.

00:26:56.890 --> 00:27:01.589
He's got currently some Icon shocks in the front

00:27:01.589 --> 00:27:04.890
and some Rough Countries that we bought just

00:27:04.890 --> 00:27:08.390
for placeholders in the rear. He's got some Icons

00:27:08.390 --> 00:27:10.569
that actually came today, so it might be Icons

00:27:10.569 --> 00:27:13.289
all the way around by now. I don't know. Okay.

00:27:15.029 --> 00:27:17.190
So, yeah, it's great. It rides good. It looks

00:27:17.190 --> 00:27:20.630
good. I mean, I don't know what else to say about

00:27:20.630 --> 00:27:25.920
it. It lifted well, so. Yeah. Did some OME 861s

00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.319
in the rear just to help support that roll cage

00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:35.480
that he had put in. So hopefully it's a big upgrade

00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:40.920
for him. And let's see what else. Mark's truck

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:47.809
now has a slide -out table. Yep. With packout

00:27:47.809 --> 00:27:50.109
mounts on top for like a little kitchen area

00:27:50.109 --> 00:27:54.630
on the trail. It also has a second spare tire

00:27:54.630 --> 00:27:57.849
so that yours truly doesn't have to carry my

00:27:57.849 --> 00:28:01.470
own spare. It looks sick, man. Got the rock runner

00:28:01.470 --> 00:28:05.430
look going now. It looks really sick with that

00:28:05.430 --> 00:28:08.990
dual spare. It does. It's a little goofy right

00:28:08.990 --> 00:28:11.809
now, but eventually it'll all be the same size

00:28:11.809 --> 00:28:15.769
and matchy. No. But, no, it looks sick, man.

00:28:15.910 --> 00:28:22.799
Yep. Then we had Alan weld up a swing out tailgate

00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.279
for the trailer. So now the trailer can carry

00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.799
its own spare tire, which that looks sick. Like

00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.700
I got, there's nothing bad to say. That just

00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:40.859
looks sick. Yep. Yeah. I do like your idea of

00:28:40.859 --> 00:28:43.299
moving that license plate up to the. The arm.

00:28:43.460 --> 00:28:46.440
Yes, we need to do that to keep it from getting

00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:49.680
damaged and stuff. And we need to get it painted.

00:28:50.220 --> 00:28:55.859
Yep. But, no, it looks good, man. I don't know

00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:58.720
who else has a swing tire carrier on their trailer,

00:28:58.819 --> 00:29:05.059
but if they do, they're just as cool as us. What

00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:08.079
else happened this weekend? I was looking at

00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:12.519
coffee. Yeah. The rigs and coffee was fun. This

00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:17.720
was a really good rigs and coffee. It was. Sad

00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:20.559
I missed it. I don't know what else to say. There

00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:22.420
were just a lot of cool people there and a lot

00:29:22.420 --> 00:29:24.900
of cool trucks. Yep. Nothing that really stood

00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:27.759
out. It was just a really fun time. Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.759
It sucks. I hate missing those, but these last

00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.259
couple rigs and coffees, they fell on my work

00:29:33.259 --> 00:29:35.140
weekends, and there's nothing I can really do

00:29:35.140 --> 00:29:37.480
about it if I want to get these other weekends

00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:42.400
off. Yeah. There was a pretty slick hot rod that

00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:46.039
was there, though. Oh, yeah. Definitely not the

00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:50.039
normal kind of rig, but it was like a resto mod.

00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:54.259
Yep. It was kind of rat roddy, but not very far.

00:29:54.339 --> 00:29:56.420
I don't know. It was just really sharp. It was

00:29:56.420 --> 00:29:59.799
a really sharp one. The interior was beautiful.

00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.039
Yes. Very good. Very well upholstered. I did

00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:10.460
hear some crazy Overland news. What's that? Our

00:30:10.460 --> 00:30:17.099
very own GMC Terrain Driver Zach has finally

00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:21.940
upgraded and moved on to a brand new Tundra.

00:30:22.539 --> 00:30:26.460
Oh, my gosh. Honestly, that kind of surprised

00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:30.519
me that he went to a Tundra. It was. It was really

00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:32.500
funny when you posted that in the group chat.

00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:35.420
Because like three days before that, we had talked

00:30:35.420 --> 00:30:39.500
about it because it got posted on MSD. Yep. Three

00:30:39.500 --> 00:30:42.619
or four days before that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

00:30:42.619 --> 00:30:45.099
I didn't know that. And someone was like, hey,

00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:47.380
you guys should, someone should probably tell

00:30:47.380 --> 00:30:52.059
Alex. I think I sent Alex a message, but I think

00:30:52.059 --> 00:30:53.940
he said he saw it before I even said anything

00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:57.160
to him. Yeah. But, I mean, it's cool. It's an

00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.059
07. Scott Lowe Miles seems rust free. I mean.

00:31:00.220 --> 00:31:03.319
I don't know why anyone thought that I had an

00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.680
issue with Zach or his terrain. Nobody did. I

00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.900
don't think. I had fun riffing on Zach, but,

00:31:09.940 --> 00:31:11.779
like, everyone thought I actually had beef with

00:31:11.779 --> 00:31:13.619
him. No, it just was fun to make fun of him.

00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:17.779
Yeah. Well, he got rid of the terrain now, and

00:31:17.779 --> 00:31:20.539
now he's a tundra boy. Now I can make fun of

00:31:20.539 --> 00:31:25.299
him for having a hippo. I don't know, man. I

00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:28.799
almost traded mine in for a Tundra a while back.

00:31:29.059 --> 00:31:32.579
So it was just nice to have four doors and lots

00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:34.839
of space. That's really what it came down to.

00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.660
It's a nice truck. Yeah, it's beautiful. And

00:31:38.660 --> 00:31:40.740
now he's going to be doing Nolan things. He's

00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:45.180
going to be taking eight -point turns and scratching

00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:47.859
the sides, which is great for an exterior detailer.

00:31:48.140 --> 00:31:50.720
Oh, he won't be scratching the sides. That guy

00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.799
won't be scratching the sides. He'll probably

00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.880
put a PPF on that before he even takes it. Yeah,

00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.180
his overland trips will be paved roads to state

00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:04.839
parks. Honestly, with a truck that nice, I wouldn't

00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:06.900
blame him for doing that for a little while just

00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:11.019
to try to hold on. I tried doing that too, and

00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:14.019
then I went on one trail that just was not supposed

00:32:14.019 --> 00:32:16.559
to be going down. And then after that, I was

00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.819
just like, all right, fuck it. You got me going

00:32:18.819 --> 00:32:22.640
very tight trails the first weekend. With your

00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.779
beautiful truck. Yeah, it's not a scratch on

00:32:25.779 --> 00:32:29.779
it. Here's Mark just bombing down trails. Alex,

00:32:29.900 --> 00:32:31.059
hey, I don't know if you're going to want to

00:32:31.059 --> 00:32:33.099
go down this trail, Gavin. I'm like, eh, I'm

00:32:33.099 --> 00:32:38.779
going. Just. You know, believe it or not, Gavin,

00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.680
there was a time when my third gen had absolutely

00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.859
immaculate paint, even under my ownership. Hey.

00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:48.269
It once had immaculate paint. If it makes you

00:32:48.269 --> 00:32:50.509
feel better, I don't think I've once looked at

00:32:50.509 --> 00:32:53.390
your paint other than the color. Like, I've never

00:32:53.390 --> 00:32:55.430
actually took a deep dive and been like, ooh,

00:32:55.430 --> 00:32:57.390
there's a scratch here. Ooh, there's a scratch

00:32:57.390 --> 00:33:01.349
there. So you're safe. That silver actually hides

00:33:01.349 --> 00:33:04.269
scratches pretty well. Until they get deep and

00:33:04.269 --> 00:33:07.089
they scratch the paint off and then it's a different

00:33:07.089 --> 00:33:10.309
color. Yeah, I got some of those. From afar,

00:33:10.609 --> 00:33:13.329
it looks fine. You give it a 50 feet mark, you're

00:33:13.329 --> 00:33:17.599
good. Yeah. Yeah, that whole left side. Rear

00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:21.359
fender of mine's all fucked up. I don't know.

00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:24.059
It had to have been that New Year's run where

00:33:24.059 --> 00:33:26.279
it was sitting into the bank when I was really

00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.980
trying to get it out towards the end. My whole

00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:34.200
passenger side, dude. It's rough. I've tried.

00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.319
You can't even put wax on it and make it go away

00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.460
very well. Clean some of it up, but it's there.

00:33:41.819 --> 00:33:46.789
That's okay. I'm not too particular about it,

00:33:46.829 --> 00:33:49.069
but I was trying to clean it up a little bit.

00:33:49.509 --> 00:33:51.690
I was about to say, if your trail toy is not

00:33:51.690 --> 00:33:55.569
scratched, then we got some issues. Yeah. Well,

00:33:55.569 --> 00:33:59.190
it's not my trail toy. It's my daily. It just

00:33:59.190 --> 00:34:04.470
doubles as the trail toy. I wish I could find

00:34:04.470 --> 00:34:06.569
another paint -matched mirror for my passenger

00:34:06.569 --> 00:34:09.590
side. You screwed up so bad with that. Yeah,

00:34:09.590 --> 00:34:14.750
you should just quit by now. I did that once.

00:34:14.769 --> 00:34:18.110
It was beautiful. Thanks, Benji. And then, like,

00:34:18.190 --> 00:34:20.269
that next week, I just ripped it off. Ripped

00:34:20.269 --> 00:34:24.170
it right off of the same hill. The same spot.

00:34:24.269 --> 00:34:31.369
Same spot. Yeah. Rip did not learn his lesson.

00:34:31.969 --> 00:34:36.409
He did not. Yeah, no. We got some cool stuff

00:34:36.409 --> 00:34:39.309
coming up. We got Leatherwood next Wednesday.

00:34:39.570 --> 00:34:45.280
Yeah. Well, next Thursday. Oh, shoot. Well, Mark,

00:34:45.380 --> 00:34:46.920
are you coming here after work on Wednesday?

00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.920
That's the plan. Group record. You're not going

00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.199
to be here by 7, though, are you? Probably not.

00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.320
I thought we were going to do Tuesday. Are we

00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.340
recording on Tuesday? That makes my life a lot

00:35:01.340 --> 00:35:04.079
easier. That's what you said last week. Hey,

00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:09.219
I'm bad. I've had a hell of a week, okay? I thought

00:35:09.219 --> 00:35:11.219
we were going to record Tuesday and then have

00:35:11.219 --> 00:35:14.219
it uploaded Wednesday. If we're recording Tuesday,

00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:18.579
that works. That works. Yeah, that works. Yeah,

00:35:18.619 --> 00:35:20.860
so we're going to. We got Leatherwood coming

00:35:20.860 --> 00:35:25.920
up. Me, Mark, Duncan. I think that's all from

00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.039
botches that are going. And Alan. They can count

00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:32.159
the welder slash true mechanic. Yeah, I was going

00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.460
to say, he's the real hero behind the scenes.

00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:38.460
You guys don't know it. But when they talk about

00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:41.239
all the stuff they do on their trucks and all

00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:46.239
that. Only welding. I mean, Alan's there. He

00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:49.219
kind of walks away for anything not welding related.

00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:52.900
You know what? That's okay. Welders, that's what

00:35:52.900 --> 00:35:55.139
happens with welders. They only come when they're

00:35:55.139 --> 00:35:57.219
needed. Or we're having a tough time with something,

00:35:57.300 --> 00:35:59.340
and he somehow has managed to always get the

00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:01.579
broken up when we need to, as long as he doesn't

00:36:01.579 --> 00:36:04.800
break the bolt. Yeah, he does that a lot, too.

00:36:05.300 --> 00:36:07.019
Yeah. He does a lot of bolt breaking. That runs

00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:10.500
in the family, bolt breaking, over -torquing.

00:36:11.690 --> 00:36:15.949
Yeah. Hey, Mark, what's my lower ball joint bolt

00:36:15.949 --> 00:36:22.150
supposed to be at? 110 foot pounds. That's odd

00:36:22.150 --> 00:36:24.429
because it got really loose all of a sudden.

00:36:24.650 --> 00:36:29.289
45 foot pounds, guys. It's 45 foot pounds. You

00:36:29.289 --> 00:36:32.809
just said bolt. You didn't say bolts. Oh, my

00:36:32.809 --> 00:36:35.190
gosh. You did not clarify. That's very fair.

00:36:36.789 --> 00:36:46.039
Very fair. Yeah. what else oh yeah i don't know

00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:49.639
i have to figure out so we're leaving tomorrow

00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:56.739
and hopefully we have some food or we're gonna

00:36:56.739 --> 00:37:00.719
be in dehydrated food all weekend oof we don't

00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.360
get paid till friday so speaking of dehydrated

00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:06.639
food all weekend guys we should definitely like

00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:12.340
take a break right here Yep. So I can go poop.

00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:20.019
Oh. Yep. Break or just call it? Nah, we can't

00:37:20.019 --> 00:37:21.860
just call it. We'll keep going. I'm good. We're

00:37:21.860 --> 00:37:25.480
good. Okay. We're good. Are you sure? I don't

00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:27.619
know how we would do the break thing without

00:37:27.619 --> 00:37:29.780
screwing up our timing. I was going to say, you

00:37:29.780 --> 00:37:32.199
could just mute it and go, and me and Mark can

00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.199
handle it. Oh, yeah. That would work. All right.

00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.079
You remember, I've had to run out a few times.

00:37:37.769 --> 00:37:43.449
I'll be back. So now that it's the real show,

00:37:43.710 --> 00:37:48.010
Mark and I, we're here. I'm going to interview

00:37:48.010 --> 00:37:50.190
Mark real quick because I haven't seen his truck

00:37:50.190 --> 00:37:55.090
actually in a while. Yeah. So you guys are getting

00:37:55.090 --> 00:37:58.730
new tires after Leatherwood, right? Yeah. I know

00:37:58.730 --> 00:38:02.780
Alex definitely needs to. i know you're getting

00:38:02.780 --> 00:38:06.119
there i'm getting there i gotta build up for

00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:11.300
it though because i gotta get um i gotta relocate

00:38:11.300 --> 00:38:17.099
my cab mount and then trim and cut for 35s and

00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:22.019
then i'm also going to do long travel which will

00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:24.599
also help with 35s with the kit i'm looking at

00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.300
so with them combined i should have more than

00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:32.639
enough clearance I'm going to be moving to 35s

00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.239
probably late next year or so. Maybe. Probably,

00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:41.579
though. I mean, I'll be 100 % honest with you.

00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:45.179
Other than the fact that I just like the look

00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:48.260
of the little bit wider, little bit bigger stance

00:38:48.260 --> 00:38:50.380
on it, there's no other reason for me to go to

00:38:50.380 --> 00:38:55.000
35s other than the added benefit of the size

00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:01.980
for traversing material. Yeah. That's why it's

00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:05.579
not a huge priority. Right now, I do fine, and

00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:09.340
my truck works fine. But just looks -wise, I'd

00:39:09.340 --> 00:39:11.019
like to add a little bit more aggressiveness

00:39:11.019 --> 00:39:14.500
to it. Oh, yeah. I think I'd like a little bit

00:39:14.500 --> 00:39:19.820
larger tread pattern, like wider. I don't want

00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:23.139
to put spacers on, but I do want more tires sticking,

00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:27.059
a wider tire. That's where you get your offsets.

00:39:27.690 --> 00:39:30.250
right but when you buy rims at offset because

00:39:30.250 --> 00:39:34.070
i think currently i want to say mine's a negative

00:39:34.070 --> 00:39:39.210
15 offset which pushes my tires out yeah i think

00:39:39.210 --> 00:39:44.730
um when alex finally decides to switch his wheels

00:39:44.730 --> 00:39:47.150
and tires out i'll buy his wheels from him and

00:39:47.150 --> 00:39:49.369
i'll work with whatever he's got offset wise

00:39:49.369 --> 00:39:52.590
but because i think he's switching out everything

00:39:52.590 --> 00:39:56.690
so yeah I think that'll be when I change wheels.

00:39:57.750 --> 00:40:00.150
Honestly, for now, I don't mind the black, the

00:40:00.150 --> 00:40:02.309
matte black, and just spraying them every once

00:40:02.309 --> 00:40:06.150
in a while to just keep that color and the flaking

00:40:06.150 --> 00:40:09.090
down. I still have the stock wheels. I've just

00:40:09.090 --> 00:40:12.610
scuffed them and painted them a few times. Do

00:40:12.610 --> 00:40:15.130
you know what trimming you need to do for making

00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:20.369
35s work for the FJs? You know, you talk to some

00:40:20.369 --> 00:40:23.230
people, and they say that you need to do a little

00:40:23.230 --> 00:40:25.690
bit. Um, like you just need to take the, the

00:40:25.690 --> 00:40:28.869
wheel wells, like the fender liners out and do

00:40:28.869 --> 00:40:34.429
a little tripping on the, the bottom end. You

00:40:34.429 --> 00:40:36.869
talk to some guys and they say with a three inch,

00:40:36.909 --> 00:40:40.230
you don't need to, but I'm assuming those guys

00:40:40.230 --> 00:40:41.969
aren't the ones that are out wheeling all the

00:40:41.969 --> 00:40:44.829
time and don't need that full articulation. Probably

00:40:44.829 --> 00:40:49.309
not. It's probably like, like the one guy, me

00:40:49.309 --> 00:40:55.159
and Alex met at fricking St. John's. I want to

00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:58.739
say he was rocking 35s on the third gen 4Runner,

00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:00.219
but at the same time, I feel like it was the

00:41:00.219 --> 00:41:04.139
third gen. Did no sort of trimming on it or anything.

00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.059
He's like, yeah, I don't rub. The entire time

00:41:07.059 --> 00:41:11.400
here, throughout the entire park, like, yeah,

00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.699
he honestly either cranks his music and doesn't

00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:16.980
realize he rubs or does his first time off -roading

00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:21.670
with them. Yes, to both. And I think that's a

00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:23.650
lot of people, though. So that's why it's really

00:41:23.650 --> 00:41:27.530
hard to kind of find out. Because you talk to

00:41:27.530 --> 00:41:29.469
one person, they say you need new upper control

00:41:29.469 --> 00:41:32.210
arms. You need this. You need that. You talk

00:41:32.210 --> 00:41:33.829
to another person, they're like, well, I've been

00:41:33.829 --> 00:41:37.889
running 35s for years. I go off -road. I'm fine

00:41:37.889 --> 00:41:42.829
with just doing this and this. So it's odd. I've

00:41:42.829 --> 00:41:45.329
got to do a little bit more research. Honestly,

00:41:45.949 --> 00:41:47.429
it's been probably eight months since I've even

00:41:47.429 --> 00:41:51.739
looked into it. Yeah. But it's just one of those

00:41:51.739 --> 00:41:54.659
mixed bag reviews. I think I'll try putting them

00:41:54.659 --> 00:41:57.500
on there, see what I need to take, and then take

00:41:57.500 --> 00:42:02.480
it. I do know a guy I was watching here the other

00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:08.179
day who's running 37s, and he's done a little

00:42:08.179 --> 00:42:13.000
bit, but he still has his stock fender flares.

00:42:15.099 --> 00:42:21.980
So I think there is ways to get around it. I'm

00:42:21.980 --> 00:42:25.360
assuming that my upper control arms will need

00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:28.900
to be changed out. Oh, yeah. That's going to

00:42:28.900 --> 00:42:31.860
be probably the biggest thing. Are you lifted

00:42:31.860 --> 00:42:36.599
or not yet? Yeah, I'm lifted. I mean, I'm not

00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.900
the highest that my Bilsteins can go, but I'm

00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:42.340
two and a half. Yeah. I'm going to say two and

00:42:42.340 --> 00:42:44.559
a half is all you really need to start getting

00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.880
bigger tires underneath. I just can't remember

00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.000
if yours was not. yeah yeah because i'm running

00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:56.659
those 285s and those are 33s out of 35s and i

00:42:56.659 --> 00:43:01.960
have buku clearance right now so yeah another

00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:04.280
another couple inches i don't think is really

00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.360
gonna i think i can run it i just think it's

00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.800
gonna put me closer to rubbing is all it's gonna

00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:12.809
do I know for the most part there's long travel

00:43:12.809 --> 00:43:14.449
kits like the one I'm going to be looking at.

00:43:14.510 --> 00:43:17.650
They always push your tires forward an extra

00:43:17.650 --> 00:43:21.969
inch from what used to be stock -wise. Oh, sure.

00:43:22.190 --> 00:43:24.070
So that's another reason why a lot of people

00:43:24.070 --> 00:43:26.469
go long travels to get the tire pushed forward.

00:43:27.969 --> 00:43:29.949
Yeah, I don't think I'm going to go long travel.

00:43:30.130 --> 00:43:31.809
I don't think that's just ever going to be a...

00:43:31.809 --> 00:43:35.909
I don't think that fits the type of off -roading

00:43:35.909 --> 00:43:42.099
I do. Not like you guys. Not to say that it'll

00:43:42.099 --> 00:43:44.260
never happen, but just right now it's not in

00:43:44.260 --> 00:43:49.360
my future. A lot of mine, like my wife, she just

00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:52.920
doesn't get the same joy from hitting technical

00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.960
stuff. She's a bystander and she likes to read

00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.099
and stuff while we're on trails and navigate.

00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.599
So she doesn't really get anything. My son doesn't

00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:06.679
like sitting cooped up in the car while we're

00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:10.269
doing it. They get a lot more joy out of the

00:44:10.269 --> 00:44:13.949
destination or the way there, like, you know,

00:44:13.969 --> 00:44:16.329
if we're taking scenic trails. They get a lot

00:44:16.329 --> 00:44:20.130
more joy out of that. So just with me trying

00:44:20.130 --> 00:44:24.630
to keep the peace, I think, and keep everybody

00:44:24.630 --> 00:44:27.690
interested and invested in it and having fun

00:44:27.690 --> 00:44:29.610
the whole time, I think it's just going to stay

00:44:29.610 --> 00:44:34.570
more anchored towards catering to the family

00:44:34.570 --> 00:44:39.349
instead of to what I want. Yeah. So, yeah, I

00:44:39.349 --> 00:44:41.769
mean, it's going to pretty much stay. I don't

00:44:41.769 --> 00:44:43.650
think long travel is going to happen for me,

00:44:43.690 --> 00:44:46.989
but who knows? Who knows? Maybe the more that

00:44:46.989 --> 00:44:49.530
I wheel and the more technical things get, maybe

00:44:49.530 --> 00:44:55.090
that'll change, but it may be somewhere. I know

00:44:55.090 --> 00:44:56.909
I have a long list of other things I need to

00:44:56.909 --> 00:44:59.949
do first, like I got to get sliders. I need to

00:44:59.949 --> 00:45:03.329
get the complete full skids. I only have the

00:45:03.329 --> 00:45:06.880
stock skids that came with it. Long travel? Oh,

00:45:06.980 --> 00:45:09.099
hey, I'm back, guys, by the way. Long travel

00:45:09.099 --> 00:45:11.199
is how you make your truck more comfortable.

00:45:11.380 --> 00:45:14.639
What are you talking about? I might go to that

00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.800
someday, like I said, but I think if I was to

00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.360
get another set of shocks and stuff, it might

00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:26.900
be 8100s, and I think those might require long

00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:30.340
travel. Not 100 % sure. I don't think they might

00:45:30.340 --> 00:45:32.900
actually. No, they don't. No, they shouldn't.

00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:36.150
But that's... That's just me wanting to go down

00:45:36.150 --> 00:45:39.389
the Bilstein route and see how things really

00:45:39.389 --> 00:45:43.610
improve. There's no reason for me to want to

00:45:43.610 --> 00:45:47.150
go to 81s other than the change in comfort, but

00:45:47.150 --> 00:45:51.849
also to say, hey, I did the 6120s, 5160s. This

00:45:51.849 --> 00:45:54.989
is how much different they are with the 8112s.

00:45:56.730 --> 00:46:01.000
And I think I could go to icons. I could go to

00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:06.179
one of the cell phone ones, Iron Man. But honestly,

00:46:06.380 --> 00:46:09.340
I just really want to see how much more it improves

00:46:09.340 --> 00:46:13.820
staying in that one. Unless something in the

00:46:13.820 --> 00:46:17.599
8112s really proves to be like they're very unreliable,

00:46:17.659 --> 00:46:22.400
you have to rebuild them really constantly, then

00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.900
maybe I'll switch. But for now, I think that's

00:46:25.900 --> 00:46:28.460
just going to be, I just want to test this line.

00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.940
and see how that goes. But that won't be for,

00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:36.239
unless my shocks blow, that won't be for a while.

00:46:36.820 --> 00:46:42.400
Yeah. So I just realized I never updated everyone

00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:48.639
on the swag. Oh, no, you didn't. So it's great.

00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:52.059
I got nothing else. It sets up really fast. We

00:46:52.059 --> 00:46:53.760
didn't really time it. What would you say, Mark?

00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.059
Like five minutes I had my camp set up? Yeah.

00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.019
I mean, chairs included everything. Like, five

00:47:00.019 --> 00:47:04.000
minutes, I'm done. Mm -hmm. Yeah, it's great.

00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:08.500
And when it's, like, 30 degrees outside, it's

00:47:08.500 --> 00:47:11.880
nice and warm in the swag. And moisture wasn't

00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:15.199
a problem when we were under freezing, so that's

00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:18.579
impressive, too. Mm -hmm. Yeah. But, yeah, just

00:47:18.579 --> 00:47:20.820
overall, it's pretty great. The mattress is comfy.

00:47:21.340 --> 00:47:25.059
We actually slept, me, Mercy, Kaylynn, and the

00:47:25.059 --> 00:47:29.530
kid. all in there one a couple nights yep yeah

00:47:29.530 --> 00:47:32.789
i'm thinking about i'm i've been tossing it around

00:47:32.789 --> 00:47:36.329
in my head do i want to try and stick with the

00:47:36.329 --> 00:47:41.210
dagger for this weekend or go up to that on my

00:47:41.210 --> 00:47:43.929
blue tent the sixth person but i think i think

00:47:43.929 --> 00:47:46.550
we're gonna do the sixth person because i'm gonna

00:47:46.550 --> 00:47:53.010
be there thursday friday saturday as far as the

00:47:53.010 --> 00:47:57.059
nights go so having something comfortable And

00:47:57.059 --> 00:48:00.260
something I always like to do if we do like an

00:48:00.260 --> 00:48:02.300
over weekend type thing, I like to have the bigger

00:48:02.300 --> 00:48:05.139
tent. Takes longer to put up, takes longer to

00:48:05.139 --> 00:48:07.079
put down, but it's more comfortable in the long

00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.199
run. So come get the one that Joe just gave you.

00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.420
What about say? That's a 10 person. And? I don't

00:48:15.420 --> 00:48:18.639
want a 10 person for that. The 10 person will

00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:22.280
come when. I have a specific use for that one,

00:48:22.300 --> 00:48:25.579
actually, and that's going to be when Leo, Sienna's

00:48:25.579 --> 00:48:28.420
father, joins us. And he's going to be coming

00:48:28.420 --> 00:48:32.260
to a couple of our, I really want him to come

00:48:32.260 --> 00:48:36.280
to the Labor Day one. I just, he doesn't get

00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.139
to go camping a lot. He doesn't get to enjoy

00:48:38.139 --> 00:48:40.519
himself a lot. I just know he would have a freaking

00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.000
blast up there doing all the touristy stuff,

00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:48.179
seeing the Chris Point, the Two -Hearted, stuff

00:48:48.179 --> 00:48:51.820
that we've seen already. Just something new for

00:48:51.820 --> 00:48:55.340
him to witness. And then Jasper going there too.

00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:58.539
He loves hanging out with his grandpa. Yeah,

00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.699
I really like when we do that and we're set up

00:49:01.699 --> 00:49:05.860
for three days, it'll be nice to have that whole

00:49:05.860 --> 00:49:09.440
setup there where it can fit everybody comfortably

00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.960
and we don't have to worry about separate tents.

00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:17.559
I'll just throw that into his car. My only thing

00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.550
is I don't know. how we're going to do that we're

00:49:22.550 --> 00:49:25.789
still figuring that out yeah car wise because

00:49:25.789 --> 00:49:27.469
like he's not going to be able to get there in

00:49:27.469 --> 00:49:30.489
his little buick to that place we got to like

00:49:30.489 --> 00:49:33.329
you have to you have to air down you have to

00:49:33.329 --> 00:49:35.989
have some decent tires to get there and some

00:49:35.989 --> 00:49:38.309
decent all -wheel drive four -wheel drive to

00:49:38.309 --> 00:49:43.489
get there so um so i think maybe he'll get close

00:49:43.489 --> 00:49:46.150
you know park on the side of the road or something

00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:51.920
and then join us But we'll see. We'll see. That's

00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.000
all in the future. That's a tomorrow Gavin issue.

00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.119
No, I have a lot of tomorrow Alex problems. I

00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.059
get it. Well, it's like today has been, I didn't

00:50:04.059 --> 00:50:05.940
end up getting, you know, started packing and

00:50:05.940 --> 00:50:08.300
stuff for tomorrow because we're leaving after

00:50:08.300 --> 00:50:14.340
work. And of course now. It had been raining

00:50:14.340 --> 00:50:16.360
the other half of the day, so I haven't been

00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.420
able to actually go through the back end of my

00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:22.480
truck. I know my fridge is charged. I know some

00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.780
of my lighting's charged and my power pack is

00:50:25.780 --> 00:50:29.260
charged, but I like to usually go through, check

00:50:29.260 --> 00:50:32.019
all my batteries, my chainsaw batteries, my impact

00:50:32.019 --> 00:50:34.739
and drill batteries, make sure everything's topped

00:50:34.739 --> 00:50:37.719
off and ready. How sick would it be if someone

00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.840
came out with a Bauer or Milwaukee -powered fridge?

00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:46.119
It'd be so sick. Actually, that does remind me.

00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.179
Something I need to do with my setup, and it's

00:50:50.179 --> 00:50:54.500
kind of a need at this point, is I need to hook

00:50:54.500 --> 00:50:58.199
up a battery charger for my chainsaw and then

00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:00.719
a battery charger for my impact on an inverter.

00:51:01.860 --> 00:51:05.139
Yeah, we need to do that too. There's no reason

00:51:05.139 --> 00:51:08.559
for me to have like, I mean, five chainsaw batteries

00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:10.199
is fine because you never know. You might need

00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:12.739
it, especially this weekend in Grayling area

00:51:12.739 --> 00:51:17.539
where we're going. But, like, once it's gone,

00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:21.300
it's gone. So that's, like, my impact if I end

00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:23.579
up having to use it a lot. You know, yeah, I

00:51:23.579 --> 00:51:26.360
can go down to socket. So I guess that's not

00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.119
a big deal. But if I need to use a grinder, if

00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:34.300
I need to use my, you know, my orbital, God,

00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:38.420
what do you call that? The zippy. I can't remember

00:51:38.420 --> 00:51:42.460
what it's called. Oscillator saw. Oh, yeah. The

00:51:42.460 --> 00:51:44.440
oscillator. Yeah, if I need to use that, anything

00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:48.300
like that, then it's just going to be a whole

00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:51.940
lot more. So it's been something I've been thinking

00:51:51.940 --> 00:51:55.159
about for a while, and I need to figure out how

00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:58.659
I'm going to wire it in because I need to hide

00:51:58.659 --> 00:52:03.579
the inverter, and then I need to hide the wiring

00:52:03.579 --> 00:52:05.760
and then actually mount those two somewhere.

00:52:06.460 --> 00:52:09.539
I think I have a spot for them. Next to the side,

00:52:09.579 --> 00:52:11.900
the rear side windows are kind of dead space

00:52:11.900 --> 00:52:15.900
where I just kind of throw a bunch of crap. I

00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:19.900
have the shelf up there, though, so I could screw

00:52:19.900 --> 00:52:22.960
those down, have them mounted, and be good and

00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.739
done there. So we'll see. But definitely something

00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:29.539
I need to think about. I did charge my winch

00:52:29.539 --> 00:52:35.940
controller today. Plug that in. pulled my winch

00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:38.440
cable out and i'm probably going to need to get

00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.599
cable soon um we pulled it out a little bit checked

00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.639
it me and alex here when he helped me with my

00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:48.900
lights and that part was good but as i was kind

00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:52.500
of looking at it as i pulled i pulled the whole

00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:56.820
length out and there were some spots that looked

00:52:56.820 --> 00:52:59.440
like they were kind of fusing or look it almost

00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:01.500
looked like someone took like a blow torch to

00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:04.820
them and then it almost started melting Like

00:53:04.820 --> 00:53:07.139
that. And then there was some breakage in the

00:53:07.139 --> 00:53:10.900
line a little bit. So that'll be something that

00:53:10.900 --> 00:53:14.019
I need to do here within the next three months.

00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.159
Excuse me. Sorry, I didn't mute that. Yeah, thanks.

00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:25.840
Sorry. But, yeah, so I'm going to have to go

00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.840
start looking at synthetic line and hopefully

00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.239
go with something cheaper but still really well

00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.369
working. Me and Alex will talk about that at

00:53:36.369 --> 00:53:40.030
some point. Check out Crawler. Crawler's got

00:53:40.030 --> 00:53:45.610
some good stuff. I'm just going to buy some off

00:53:45.610 --> 00:53:49.650
of Amazon. No, buy some Crawler. Buy good gear.

00:53:51.469 --> 00:53:53.610
I'm just going to buy it off of Amazon. It says

00:53:53.610 --> 00:53:57.550
it's rated for a lot of weight. I'm sure it is.

00:53:58.550 --> 00:54:01.409
Gavin, Gavin, just get the Crawler rope. It's

00:54:01.409 --> 00:54:05.239
not even expensive. What's not expensive to you?

00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:11.059
Well, I mean, it's only $90 for a good rope.

00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:15.500
Okay, that's doable. $90. But it's probably $20

00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:23.920
then on Amazon. Yeah, you're probably right.

00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:27.079
No, I would not run a $20 winch line. I ain't

00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.239
going to lie. I just, I don't know, man. I think

00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.099
at one point me and you should actually test

00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:35.219
that out. That would be a good botches video.

00:54:36.139 --> 00:54:41.440
$20 winch line versus $90 winch line. Do some

00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:46.579
durability testing. Yeah, no, I do really recommend

00:54:46.579 --> 00:54:48.960
Crawler. They've got some good gear. They stand

00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:52.000
by their products, and they're not just pumping

00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.639
out some Chinese garbage. They actually put in

00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:58.239
some thought and think about what they're doing,

00:54:58.300 --> 00:55:01.639
you know? So before they order it from China,

00:55:02.110 --> 00:55:04.230
They actually tell them that they don't want

00:55:04.230 --> 00:55:07.230
it to be a certain thing. You know, I actually

00:55:07.230 --> 00:55:11.909
think. Let me. You know what? I'm going to ask

00:55:11.909 --> 00:55:14.070
him. I'm just going to I'm going to put in a

00:55:14.070 --> 00:55:19.829
contact because I like. Oh, God. And we have

00:55:19.829 --> 00:55:21.670
a listener calling in right now. I'll be right

00:55:21.670 --> 00:55:25.309
back. So if anybody's wondering, that phone call

00:55:25.309 --> 00:55:28.090
that you hear in the background is for his job.

00:55:28.130 --> 00:55:30.730
He's always on call in his little turkey farm.

00:55:30.909 --> 00:55:35.909
So sometimes those are like alerts to certain

00:55:35.909 --> 00:55:41.230
issues. Yep. It's definitely an alarm call. Yep.

00:55:41.230 --> 00:55:44.170
Alarm calls for turkeys. It could be, you know,

00:55:44.250 --> 00:55:50.099
one bay is overheating. Is it okay? Are they

00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:53.119
all alive? Yeah, I know. It's fine. You didn't

00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:56.260
have a fan blow up in the storm? That did happen

00:55:56.260 --> 00:55:58.780
once, but not this time. I don't know. I'm going

00:55:58.780 --> 00:56:00.460
to message them because I know that they're out

00:56:00.460 --> 00:56:02.639
of Highland, Michigan, but I don't know where

00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:06.900
their lines are actually made. Good idea. And,

00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:11.840
you know, maybe if we really like them, we could

00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:17.530
start working with them as a partner. We are

00:56:17.530 --> 00:56:20.690
looking for partners, not necessarily sponsors,

00:56:20.909 --> 00:56:23.349
but people to work with with good product that

00:56:23.349 --> 00:56:28.730
we're proud of talking about and using. We don't

00:56:28.730 --> 00:56:32.690
want junk. We don't want an all -in -one Amazon

00:56:32.690 --> 00:56:37.510
Temu battery charger, vacuum, air compressor,

00:56:37.909 --> 00:56:42.300
all -in -one. But we're looking for people with

00:56:42.300 --> 00:56:44.780
actual solid products. Like maybe if you 3D print

00:56:44.780 --> 00:56:48.039
something specifically for a certain vehicle

00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:51.539
or you solve a certain problem, get a hold of

00:56:51.539 --> 00:56:55.400
us. Yeah. We'd be happy to give honest opinions

00:56:55.400 --> 00:57:00.500
on it and only honest opinions. So if you can't

00:57:00.500 --> 00:57:02.940
handle that constructive criticism, then don't

00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:06.460
even worry about it. And I don't want random

00:57:06.460 --> 00:57:09.900
Instagram people messaging me. I just got one

00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:12.039
of those like today. Yeah, that's what I was

00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.539
just talking about with your all -in -one vacuum

00:57:15.539 --> 00:57:19.079
air compressor. Well, no, it's not an all -in

00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:23.880
-one vacuum air compressor. It's they have jump

00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:28.659
starters, vacuum cleaners, LED bulbs. And if

00:57:28.659 --> 00:57:31.119
I'm interested, I need to let them know the year,

00:57:31.219 --> 00:57:35.019
make, and model of my car. And it's probably

00:57:35.019 --> 00:57:39.480
like Shibulia is like the name of it. Or Shimza.

00:57:40.300 --> 00:57:47.500
Or Bawa. Who was the last one that reached out

00:57:47.500 --> 00:57:49.219
to us? I don't even remember. I don't know. It

00:57:49.219 --> 00:57:55.519
was very similar. I know we didn't end up getting

00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:58.500
back to them because we couldn't. We didn't feel

00:57:58.500 --> 00:58:08.340
like shitting on their product. Yeah. Yeah, I

00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:11.619
don't know. Who is Mason B? Some dude named Mason

00:58:11.619 --> 00:58:18.699
B messaged me. Is he on Instagram? He is. Oh,

00:58:18.780 --> 00:58:24.360
he lives around Lake City. Hmm. What's he got

00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.460
to say? Anything in particular for us, or is

00:58:27.460 --> 00:58:30.559
it just more? He lives around Lake City and would

00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:35.340
love to hit some trails with us. All right. Someday.

00:58:35.699 --> 00:58:39.119
Someday, Mason B. We should do, so I've been

00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:40.820
thinking about this and haven't quite figured

00:58:40.820 --> 00:58:42.960
out how to make it work yet, but we should do

00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:47.739
like a cords and coffee or a cords and brew or

00:58:47.739 --> 00:58:50.840
something where we just, we drop the coordinates

00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.820
in the podcast and then listeners can just come

00:58:53.820 --> 00:58:59.280
out. That would be cool. Yeah. That would be

00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:02.139
cool. Even if we just had three people show up.

00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:04.679
It would kind of show us who's actually listening,

00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:08.360
so that'd be fun. It's me, you, and Mark because

00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:09.960
nobody else can make it because they're working

00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:15.440
or they're in a different country. We have that.

00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:20.139
Yeah, we have that. We do. We have a lot of people

00:59:20.139 --> 00:59:26.010
spread out from all sorts of countries. We got

00:59:26.010 --> 00:59:30.070
a lot of views from Sacramento. We got some from

00:59:30.070 --> 00:59:36.469
Chicago, St. Joseph, all over the world. It's

00:59:36.469 --> 00:59:40.369
cool to see. List only U .S. states. Listeners

00:59:40.369 --> 00:59:42.690
from Sydney. We got listeners from Brisbane.

00:59:43.230 --> 00:59:49.610
We got listeners from Bengaluru, India. We got

00:59:49.610 --> 00:59:52.809
listeners from a Chinese symbol that doesn't

00:59:52.809 --> 00:59:56.789
have a translation on it. Yeah. Sorry, I was

00:59:56.789 --> 01:00:00.929
listing our top five cities with our top five

01:00:00.929 --> 01:00:04.690
downloads. Oh, we have a listener. We have a

01:00:04.690 --> 01:00:09.289
listener from Honolulu. That's it. We made it.

01:00:09.429 --> 01:00:16.170
We made it. That's it. Listener from Honolulu,

01:00:16.369 --> 01:00:18.030
how do you feel about the newly loaned Stitch?

01:00:19.230 --> 01:00:22.489
It pissed you off too, didn't it? And we'll never

01:00:22.489 --> 01:00:25.440
hear because he... He probably downloaded one

01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:32.039
episode and then bailed on us. That's okay. No,

01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:37.599
it'd be kind of cool to do something, like maybe

01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:40.199
have listeners boost in their zip code or something.

01:00:40.340 --> 01:00:42.199
It'd just be cool to know where people that actually

01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:45.039
listen are from. Obviously, we can see downloads,

01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:49.480
right? Yeah. It'd be kind of cool to set up a

01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:51.420
map where we can actually see where listeners

01:00:51.420 --> 01:00:56.219
are. Yeah. zip codes three digits on the last

01:00:56.219 --> 01:01:00.099
of your credit card uh yeah you're uh you're

01:01:00.099 --> 01:01:04.219
full social uh your mother's maiden name and

01:01:04.219 --> 01:01:08.400
your first pet the first school you went to as

01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.079
well please oh yes yes yes please please please

01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:15.139
and if you just put private for all these security

01:01:15.139 --> 01:01:20.000
questions please tell us that too yeah or the

01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.699
first street you lived on See what I'm saying?

01:01:22.699 --> 01:01:25.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or your dad's middle

01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:32.179
name. God. I had to think about that. I was like,

01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:37.380
what is my dad's middle name? It's Joseph. My

01:01:37.380 --> 01:01:41.420
dad's middle name is Matthew. I can't do my dad's

01:01:41.420 --> 01:01:45.079
middle name because it's my middle name. I can't

01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:46.900
do my grandpa's middle name because it's my middle

01:01:46.900 --> 01:01:51.070
name. Yeah, I don't have any of that. I don't

01:01:51.070 --> 01:01:52.949
have any of that weird stuff. I would say that

01:01:52.949 --> 01:01:56.829
my first name was supposed to be Laverne at one

01:01:56.829 --> 01:02:00.570
point. But then you were a guy? No, that was

01:02:00.570 --> 01:02:04.429
the guy's name, thanks. Oh. That was my grandfather

01:02:04.429 --> 01:02:08.789
and great -grandfather's name. Oh. Both veterans.

01:02:10.329 --> 01:02:13.690
I'm sure they were stellar men. They're dead

01:02:13.690 --> 01:02:17.070
now. They're still stellar in my book. Yeah,

01:02:17.070 --> 01:02:23.039
they were stellar. One of them survived, I think

01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.719
he did two different wars. I can't remember exactly.

01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:29.920
I think it was two different wars. Survived both,

01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:33.940
came home, was driving a motorcycle one day and

01:02:33.940 --> 01:02:35.780
went out on a curve, and that's how he went.

01:02:36.219 --> 01:02:41.420
Jesus. It's just life is so short. Can you imagine

01:02:41.420 --> 01:02:45.679
that? One of my cousins actually passed away

01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:49.079
this last weekend. Oh, dude, I'm sorry. Yeah.

01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:51.860
Uh, it sucks. You know, he was, he was only three

01:02:51.860 --> 01:02:53.519
years older than me and it was just kind of a

01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:56.559
freak accident. And it kind of reminds you about

01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.099
how short life is and how quick it could be taken

01:02:59.099 --> 01:03:04.099
away. So, um, it, it kind of reinforced my need

01:03:04.099 --> 01:03:06.239
to make sure that I'm out with my family as much

01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:11.159
as I can afford to be. Um, and not to prioritize

01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:13.820
or get, or get, you know, put my head in the

01:03:13.820 --> 01:03:16.559
sand for work because work could give a hoot

01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:20.070
less about you, but your family needs you. You

01:03:20.070 --> 01:03:23.989
got memories to make. That right there is why

01:03:23.989 --> 01:03:28.050
you don't drive boring cars. Yeah. Because life

01:03:28.050 --> 01:03:30.949
is short, and who wants to die and say, I drove

01:03:30.949 --> 01:03:37.050
a Honda Civic my whole life. VTEC, brother. No.

01:03:37.900 --> 01:03:40.739
Okay, so there's cool Honda Civics. Yeah. Who

01:03:40.739 --> 01:03:43.400
wants to die and say, I drove a Toyota Matrix

01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:46.260
my whole life? Yeah, okay. You can't really get

01:03:46.260 --> 01:03:48.639
around. Or I drove a Kia Soul my whole life.

01:03:49.860 --> 01:03:51.719
There's people that think those are cool, though.

01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:55.380
Yeah, and they're wrong. Like Nissan Jukes. Nissan

01:03:55.380 --> 01:03:58.539
Jukes. Do you remember those? The wraparound

01:03:58.539 --> 01:04:01.840
windows? There is a hardcore love for Nissan

01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:05.800
Jukes, though. I'm sure there is. It's like the

01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:11.019
PT Cruisers. Dude, PT Cruiser fandom or PT Cruiser

01:04:11.019 --> 01:04:14.139
car shows are finally dying. Because for a while

01:04:14.139 --> 01:04:16.820
there, they were rivaling Jeeps. Like, they were

01:04:16.820 --> 01:04:22.260
massive. I've only sent you one picture of one

01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:28.170
PT Cruiser that I actually liked. The only good

01:04:28.170 --> 01:04:31.250
PT Cruiser is the one that's got an SRT4 engine

01:04:31.250 --> 01:04:33.289
in it, and it's only good because it's a cheap

01:04:33.289 --> 01:04:38.550
way to get an SRT4 engine. Yeah. Yeah. You know,

01:04:38.750 --> 01:04:49.469
I kind of want an Element. Well. And on that

01:04:49.469 --> 01:04:54.789
note, Gavin's gay. No, there's a guy in Grant

01:04:54.789 --> 01:04:58.929
that has a lifted element. The white one with

01:04:58.929 --> 01:05:02.630
the snorkel on it? No, no, no, no. This one's

01:05:02.630 --> 01:05:06.329
cleaner. Have you seen the white one with the

01:05:06.329 --> 01:05:09.530
snorkel? I thought that was a Scion. It might

01:05:09.530 --> 01:05:13.510
be a Scion. I don't know. They're all ugly. Man,

01:05:13.650 --> 01:05:15.909
what happened to Scion? Who made those guys again?

01:05:16.610 --> 01:05:19.909
Who's the... Was it Toyota? I'm pretty sure it's

01:05:19.909 --> 01:05:23.369
Toyota. Why'd you guys kill the Scions? It was

01:05:23.369 --> 01:05:27.309
such a cool car. So Scion was supposed to be

01:05:27.309 --> 01:05:32.389
the affordable and stylish vehicle for younger

01:05:32.389 --> 01:05:34.969
buyers because only older people were buying

01:05:34.969 --> 01:05:39.030
Toyotas. So they tried to, like, slip in and

01:05:39.030 --> 01:05:42.449
make something cool. I mean, I remember when

01:05:42.449 --> 01:05:43.969
they came out, I thought they were really cool.

01:05:44.269 --> 01:05:47.420
So, I mean, their marketing wasn't off. They

01:05:47.420 --> 01:05:50.159
gave them, like, no performance car. Like, what'd

01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:53.300
you get? The Scion version of the BRZ. Yeah,

01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:55.880
I was going to say, wasn't that the TC? What

01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.260
did they call that thing? Hold on, let me see.

01:05:58.420 --> 01:06:05.460
Scion. Was it the FR -S? Yeah, FR -S. Was it

01:06:05.460 --> 01:06:09.760
the FR -S? Yeah. 2016 Scion FR -S. I'm pretty

01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:13.420
sure I just remember driving the Scion TC in

01:06:13.420 --> 01:06:17.070
a video game. It might have been Midnight Club

01:06:17.070 --> 01:06:21.510
Dub Edition. Okay, so the Scion TC is like a

01:06:21.510 --> 01:06:24.869
super slow grandpa car dressed up to look nice.

01:06:26.030 --> 01:06:29.250
It looks nice, though. I actually do like the

01:06:29.250 --> 01:06:35.469
look of these. I think it's comparable to a Toyota

01:06:35.469 --> 01:06:44.469
Matrix. No. Stop it. I think it is. The 2016

01:06:44.469 --> 01:06:48.809
Scion TC, the looks of it are honestly not that

01:06:48.809 --> 01:06:55.909
bad. I can't. Trying to figure out what the Toyota

01:06:55.909 --> 01:07:01.550
version was. What is the Toyota version to the

01:07:01.550 --> 01:07:11.630
Scion TC? The Corolla? Camry? Oh, yeah, it was

01:07:11.630 --> 01:07:15.510
just a Toyota Corolla. Yeah. But, no, if you

01:07:15.510 --> 01:07:19.690
look up Scion FR -S, right? Yeah, I've seen them.

01:07:19.789 --> 01:07:23.190
Yeah, that's a BRZ. Yeah, they're the same thing,

01:07:23.269 --> 01:07:27.369
literally. Definitely. They are, in my opinion,

01:07:27.409 --> 01:07:32.369
the only good car that Scion ever made. Yeah,

01:07:32.469 --> 01:07:36.110
I don't have any other way to put that. So, and

01:07:36.110 --> 01:07:37.449
if I remember right, didn't they have, like,

01:07:37.510 --> 01:07:42.739
a 50 -50 weight distribution? I just remember

01:07:42.739 --> 01:07:46.579
they were really well... Yeah, they're perfectly

01:07:46.579 --> 01:07:51.019
50 -50 weight distributed, which is fucking awesome.

01:07:51.500 --> 01:07:56.039
Yeah, they killed off the Scions in America,

01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:58.260
it must be, because they still have some that

01:07:58.260 --> 01:08:00.380
are running. They have, like, 2016s and stuff,

01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:04.320
and I haven't seen a new Scion like that ever.

01:08:04.780 --> 01:08:08.599
Like, the only ones I still see running are the

01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:12.840
XBs, unfortunately. I see a lot of Scion XBs,

01:08:12.860 --> 01:08:16.619
man. What'd they have in those? Why are they

01:08:16.619 --> 01:08:20.920
still running? Because they're a Toyota. Yeah,

01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:23.899
but I don't see the other Scions. I just see

01:08:23.899 --> 01:08:28.000
the XBs. That's why I'm asking. The rest were

01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:30.680
bought. Well, one, Scion didn't sell very well,

01:08:30.739 --> 01:08:35.600
which is why they killed it off. So because Scion

01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:39.319
didn't sell well, then you've got less of them

01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:42.840
in general. And I think the XB was like the most

01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:46.239
common Scion to be bought. You know who should

01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:48.979
have never got shut down? Pontiac. Oldsmobile?

01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:55.760
Oldsmobile. Pontiac. Oldsmobile. Definitely Pontiac.

01:08:55.779 --> 01:08:59.140
We should definitely have modern day versions

01:08:59.140 --> 01:09:05.920
of the quad 442. It would be sick. No. Pontiac.

01:09:06.430 --> 01:09:08.050
They could have been there. They could have had

01:09:08.050 --> 01:09:10.850
Firebirds. They could have had new GTOs. They

01:09:10.850 --> 01:09:14.010
could have been a competitor, man. I want to

01:09:14.010 --> 01:09:18.630
see a modern Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser. Oh, it'd

01:09:18.630 --> 01:09:21.630
be so freaking cool, dude. You know, Pontiac,

01:09:21.689 --> 01:09:27.289
a new Pontiac Solstice would be fucking crazy

01:09:27.289 --> 01:09:31.250
if they were to make it anywhere near what Chevy

01:09:31.250 --> 01:09:34.130
Corvettes have been looking like. Oh, I love

01:09:34.130 --> 01:09:35.989
the Solstice. I got nothing bad to say about

01:09:35.989 --> 01:09:40.050
Solstices. If Pontiac, I mean, like the GTOs

01:09:40.050 --> 01:09:45.430
weren't the best reincarnation, but they were

01:09:45.430 --> 01:09:48.310
still not like the worst looking cars. The Pontiac

01:09:48.310 --> 01:09:52.550
G8s were ahead of their time. Oh, yeah. 100%.

01:09:52.550 --> 01:09:56.750
V8 front wheel drive. Yeah, I love the look of

01:09:56.750 --> 01:09:59.670
the G8s. I've seen them every once in a while.

01:10:00.250 --> 01:10:04.800
Chevy came out. Not long after that, it would

01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:08.500
have been 2017, they came out with a, like, modern

01:10:08.500 --> 01:10:14.180
version of the G8. It's called the Chevy SS,

01:10:14.420 --> 01:10:18.319
just Chevy SS. And to this day, it's one of my

01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:22.699
dream cars because they're almost luxury, not

01:10:22.699 --> 01:10:26.920
quite. Yeah. Four -door sedan, front -wheel drive,

01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:31.819
V8. Pontiac just had. so many freaking hits like

01:10:31.819 --> 01:10:38.140
the g8 the sunfire i liked the sunfire like the

01:10:38.140 --> 01:10:43.699
i mean you can the ws6 uh firebird or trans am

01:10:43.699 --> 01:10:48.359
sorry uh gorgeous they so they had so much the

01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:51.640
grand prixs everybody i'm pretty sure everybody's

01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:54.899
owned a grand prix oh yeah stellar grand prix

01:10:55.260 --> 01:10:58.300
Stellar. Just for shits and giggles, I looked

01:10:58.300 --> 01:11:01.000
up a Chevy SS to see what they're going for today,

01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:07.060
right? 48 ,000 miles, 2016. It's a $50 ,000 car.

01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:11.939
I could see that. Honestly, Chevy SS's are pretty

01:11:11.939 --> 01:11:17.699
gorge, pretty nice. Especially if they're the

01:11:17.699 --> 01:11:22.579
manual version, dude. Oh, my God. Yeah, I...

01:11:23.909 --> 01:11:28.010
Are those technically Holdens? Holden was the

01:11:28.010 --> 01:11:31.770
one that did the GTO, I think, with Pontiac.

01:11:32.930 --> 01:11:35.350
I think you're right, but I think the Chevy SS

01:11:35.350 --> 01:11:41.750
is also a Holden. Yeah, it's a Holden Commodore

01:11:41.750 --> 01:11:46.210
VF is the Chevy SS. Or how about this? Bring

01:11:46.210 --> 01:11:49.289
some Holdens. Let's get some Holdens in America.

01:11:49.289 --> 01:11:52.489
Dude, I'm so down. Because those are sick looking

01:11:52.489 --> 01:11:55.539
too. Yeah, I like Holdens. And let's get some

01:11:55.539 --> 01:11:57.460
Utes. Why don't we have American Utes? I was

01:11:57.460 --> 01:12:01.140
going to say, don't they have Holden Utes? Like...

01:12:01.140 --> 01:12:07.319
And why... Ford should just bring the Barra over

01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:09.840
here and sell it, because I want something with

01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:14.640
a Barra in it. Holden Commodores. Oh, yeah. I

01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:19.600
actually... I saw on Marketplace, there's actually

01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:22.039
someone selling a rebuilt Barra right here in

01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:25.340
Michigan. And if I had the like 10 grand they're

01:12:25.340 --> 01:12:29.819
asking for it, I would own it. I don't know what

01:12:29.819 --> 01:12:33.420
I'd put it in, but I'd put it in the 4Runner.

01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:35.319
I'd make the 4Runner a Ford -powered straight

01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:40.819
six. I don't know, man. I just know that all

01:12:40.819 --> 01:12:44.520
these other car companies suck for not bringing

01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:47.220
these cars over. It's all these car companies

01:12:47.220 --> 01:12:48.819
that are like, well, we wouldn't sell a lot.

01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:53.119
You're wrong. You're wrong. You bring... The

01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:57.460
stripped out old Toyotas that they think wouldn't

01:12:57.460 --> 01:13:00.840
sell well, they'd sell extremely well. Yeah.

01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:03.279
You also got to remember it's all dealing with

01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:08.100
fucking, it was some trade deal or something.

01:13:08.180 --> 01:13:10.079
I'm trying to remember exactly what it was. I

01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:11.680
remember that. I remember what you're talking

01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:15.340
about. But still, I mean, all they have to do

01:13:15.340 --> 01:13:17.439
is bring these old Toyota pickup trucks. I think

01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:19.159
that's the biggest reason. They don't bring them

01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:21.659
because it's going to take so much money away

01:13:21.659 --> 01:13:27.390
from our. You know, Ford, Chevy, you know, $25

01:13:27.390 --> 01:13:31.829
,000 crank window Toyota pickup trucks that have

01:13:31.829 --> 01:13:35.210
survived the apocalypse. Yeah, no, it doesn't

01:13:35.210 --> 01:13:37.550
appeal to Ford. A lot of them don't meet safety

01:13:37.550 --> 01:13:39.489
standards. I was about to say, I think it was

01:13:39.489 --> 01:13:41.989
also safety standards a main issue too. Well,

01:13:41.989 --> 01:13:46.149
you know what? I hate to be that guy, but, you

01:13:46.149 --> 01:13:48.869
know, 60 % of the cars I see driving down the

01:13:48.869 --> 01:13:51.859
road don't meet safety standards. in the northern

01:13:51.859 --> 01:13:54.979
part of the country because of salt rust. Yes,

01:13:55.260 --> 01:13:58.020
but they did meet them when they were sold, and

01:13:58.020 --> 01:14:02.520
that's what people care about. No, I don't. They

01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:07.039
got seatbelts? Yep. Okay. You got some airbags?

01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:11.439
Yep. Okay. You just pay the import tax and get

01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:15.000
your vehicle from out of country. Yeah, that's

01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:16.579
the thing is I don't want to pay the import tax.

01:14:16.579 --> 01:14:19.359
Well, then you got to deal with what we got then.

01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:24.159
Well, I am, I am, but the only people that can

01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:29.619
afford import tax are the rich. Real quick, we

01:14:29.619 --> 01:14:31.500
can get off that topic because it just is going

01:14:31.500 --> 01:14:34.460
to make us all upset. We're all upset anyway.

01:14:34.659 --> 01:14:39.220
Has anyone seen the new packout drawer? What?

01:14:39.340 --> 01:14:44.409
All right, let me pull it back up. I wish that

01:14:44.409 --> 01:14:46.470
they would come out with, so it's a rolling drawer,

01:14:46.649 --> 01:14:49.329
right? A rolling single drawer. So it's like

01:14:49.329 --> 01:14:51.670
a full pack out, but when it's on the bottom

01:14:51.670 --> 01:14:54.229
of the stack, you can, oh, I could send a link.

01:14:54.630 --> 01:14:56.590
When it's on the bottom of the stack, you can

01:14:56.590 --> 01:14:59.329
actually pull it out and access it without removing

01:14:59.329 --> 01:15:03.109
the rest of the stack. And the problem is it's

01:15:03.109 --> 01:15:05.289
got wheels on it. I wish they'd come out with

01:15:05.289 --> 01:15:10.069
one that was just, just. Oh yeah. Okay. I've

01:15:10.069 --> 01:15:12.739
seen this. Yeah. Like. This is useful as shit.

01:15:12.779 --> 01:15:16.140
They just released it like two days ago. That

01:15:16.140 --> 01:15:24.819
would make a killer pooper. Removable bin. I

01:15:24.819 --> 01:15:29.359
think Milwaukee edition. Does it? Yeah, I don't

01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:31.960
know. I want one, but I only want one if I can

01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:34.939
lock it into a packout stack. I wish that they'd

01:15:34.939 --> 01:15:37.239
make one just like it, but without the wheels

01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:41.470
on it. Then it'd be perfect. Yeah. I would love

01:15:41.470 --> 01:15:47.189
for them to make like a regular pack out bin

01:15:47.189 --> 01:15:50.250
the size of like the one I bought for electronics

01:15:50.250 --> 01:15:56.409
with a tilt bin that would tilt down. Because

01:15:56.409 --> 01:15:59.289
that would be really great. But to make it minimalistic

01:15:59.289 --> 01:16:01.590
too so it didn't have these giant protruding

01:16:01.590 --> 01:16:05.409
corners on either side. Because that does create

01:16:05.409 --> 01:16:10.659
about an inch of gap. But you know what? That's

01:16:10.659 --> 01:16:11.779
their structure for it. They have a lot of good

01:16:11.779 --> 01:16:15.399
stuff. Yeah. I mean, they got a lot of good stuff

01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:18.619
going anyway. I just got to find a place to mount

01:16:18.619 --> 01:16:23.380
mine. I wish that I could just tell Packout what

01:16:23.380 --> 01:16:25.100
should be made and then they'd make it to my

01:16:25.100 --> 01:16:28.399
standards. But, you know, whatever. Right. 3D

01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:31.800
printer. I want them to come out with a Packout

01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:33.979
chest that doesn't have wheels on it and has

01:16:33.979 --> 01:16:36.140
Packout plates on the bottom so I can lock it

01:16:36.140 --> 01:16:40.680
into my trailer. Yep. Right. Or here's a crazy

01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:43.500
thing. Why don't they just sell pack -out plates?

01:16:44.100 --> 01:16:48.699
Like, why are you buying these from Etsy and

01:16:48.699 --> 01:16:50.720
stuff? Why don't they just sell metal cut -out

01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:52.039
pack -out plates? It would be so easy. Oh, you're

01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:53.319
talking about that. I was about to say, they

01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:56.220
do sell pack -out plates. They sell plastic.

01:16:56.439 --> 01:17:00.000
They sell plastic ones. Yeah, I mean, it just

01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:04.739
doesn't make sense. No. At least the off -road

01:17:04.739 --> 01:17:07.479
anonymous ones are Michigan -made, so. Yep. Yeah,

01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:11.720
that's true. All right. Hopefully Crawler gets

01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:13.640
back to me and we find out that they make all

01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:15.939
their lines right here in Michigan. Then it's

01:17:15.939 --> 01:17:19.560
100 % who I'm buying from. Yeah, me too. Yeah,

01:17:19.659 --> 01:17:23.659
I'll spend it. All right. We're at an hour 12.

01:17:24.420 --> 01:17:26.520
Yeah, it's time to call it for sure. Time to

01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:29.380
call it, guys. It was a big crazy debate with

01:17:29.380 --> 01:17:34.539
all of our cars we wish we wanted. Well, I hope

01:17:34.539 --> 01:17:37.899
you guys enjoyed our very off -topic randomness.

01:17:38.020 --> 01:17:42.960
Yep. We will have another episode for you next

01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.899
week that hopefully I get out before I leave

01:17:45.899 --> 01:17:49.500
at 1 in the morning on Thursday. And hopefully

01:17:49.500 --> 01:17:55.520
this gets out tomorrow. Or Friday. Or Tuesday.

01:17:55.859 --> 01:18:00.699
Or Tuesday. We'll see. All right. Very, very

01:18:00.699 --> 01:18:03.119
busy couple weeks, guys. Very busy couple weeks.

01:18:03.300 --> 01:18:07.199
Yeah. Yeah. All right. We'll catch you guys later,

01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:12.340
guys. Later. And to take you guys home is Mr.

01:18:12.539 --> 01:18:15.260
Joe Martin. He's going to be playing Empty Passenger

01:18:15.260 --> 01:18:18.220
Seat. I know that we seem to be playing a lot

01:18:18.220 --> 01:18:19.880
of Joe Martin, but it's because he's probably

01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:23.039
one of the better value for value artists. He's

01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:26.279
always putting out good stuff. This one's up

01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:30.210
there on my favorites. So, yeah, I hope you guys

01:18:30.210 --> 01:18:34.390
enjoy it. And make sure to go to Wavelake and

01:18:34.390 --> 01:18:38.890
boost the song there. Oh, hey, that was my phone.

01:18:39.029 --> 01:18:43.250
I don't have a split kit set up with my host.

01:18:43.350 --> 01:18:47.960
We're working on it. Don't boost us for the song.

01:18:48.060 --> 01:18:50.279
Boost him. If you do boost us, I'm just going

01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:53.760
to boost it off to him. I also send in a boost

01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:57.439
to whatever artist we use the music from. I send

01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:00.439
them, you know, a thousand sats or so just to

01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:02.020
make sure that they're getting paid for their

01:19:02.020 --> 01:19:05.159
work. So again, please just go over, head on

01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:08.000
over to Wave Lake and send a little couple sats

01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:10.340
on over to Mr. Joe Martin if you think it's worth

01:19:10.340 --> 01:19:16.409
it. Big senior lights are shining down on me,

01:19:16.510 --> 01:19:21.189
different ones than yesterday. And although they

01:19:21.189 --> 01:19:25.369
don't spell my name, I know that they will someday.

01:19:27.409 --> 01:19:32.649
Drinking all the backstage beer, trying to drown

01:19:32.649 --> 01:19:37.270
out your tears. Man, it's been a long time since

01:19:37.270 --> 01:19:41.989
I've been home. God, it feels like years. Mm,

01:19:42.409 --> 01:19:48.739
forgive me. I got sold to rock and roll delusion

01:19:48.739 --> 01:19:53.479
Now it's taking its toll It's catching up with

01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:59.460
me Got my foot to the floor Going nowhere fast

01:19:59.460 --> 01:20:05.020
Don't see how I can make this last Was convinced

01:20:05.020 --> 01:20:10.960
That my life would be complete Beside an empty

01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:24.359
passenger seat Passengers say Another service

01:20:24.359 --> 01:21:52.899
stop Or another train to hop Got sold a rock

01:21:52.899 --> 01:21:56.920
and roll delusion. Now it's taking its toll.

01:21:57.220 --> 01:22:02.279
And it's catching up with me. Got my phone.