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outdoors. I really held on to that all longer
than I intended, but... Mark, Gavin, you guys
are here. You're alive. You survived another
week. Yeah. Barely. Barely. Barely. Dude, I don't
know why this week's been so fucking crazy. Yeah,
I had a bad night Tuesday, or Monday night. Ended
up staying home Tuesday. Had some 0 out of 10.
uh, stomach issues don't recommend. So I definitely,
so we recorded Wednesday, Thursday, no, we recorded
Thursday, Thursday, Friday. I was supposed to
edit it and I helped get Duncan with his truck
Saturday. Same thing. Sunday, same thing. Monday,
same thing. Then Tuesday rolled around and, And
I kind of realized that I was supposed to release
an episode back on Thursday. So the listeners
didn't get an episode until last night. Yep.
Sorry. They're a whole week behind. I'm the worst
podcaster ever. Whoops. That's okay. It happens.
Glad it happens. What's everyone drinking? I'm
drinking well water. How, Gavin, how have you
had the week that you've had and you don't have
a beer in your hand? He's still not feeling good.
No, I just don't like beer, you know. I actually,
I could go get like a Seagram's. I think there's
like a Seagram's in my fridge. Go get your Seagram's.
Come on. Hurry up. Chop, chop. No, that's okay.
That's okay. That's okay. Well. Mark, what do
you got today? M43. Man, you drink a lot of those.
I bought a six pack. That's like six nights worth
of podcasting. So I got like one more left in
the fridge for next week. I have a quarter of
an M43 sitting here on my desk that I didn't
finish. I have the age old favorite. They may
as well sponsor us at this point. Is it El Chavo?
I've got an El Chavo. Yeah. No, seriously, they
may as well sponsor us. Yeah, they're already
ready. Here's the crack. Oh, that was pretty.
They are literally our garage slash camping beer
or beer in general at this point for you and
me. It's it's. Yeah, I don't know how I accidentally
did that. And now we've got listeners that are
sending me pictures. I mean. I mean, Shane sent
me pictures, but I had another listener send
me a picture on Instagram of his El Chavo. Oh,
nice. They are definitely something different.
They're fantastic is what they are. They are?
Yeah. Speaking of listeners, yeah, we ran into
one at Riggs and Coffee. Yep. Oh. Mitchell. What
was his name again? Mitchell. Mitchell McPherson,
right? McPherson Media or something like that?
Yeah, I know that's his Instagram, but I'm pretty
sure that's his last name. Oh, that guy? I know
him. Yeah, we ran into him. I've met him before.
I think I've also met him before. Oh. He seemed
really familiar. He's very nice. Yeah, he's Alucab
on it. Yep. Yeah. Yep. He came out to my... My
cryptid hunt. Oh, okay. Oh, that's sick. Yeah,
he's a nice guy. He lives up in the Traverse
City area, so that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. I've
actually gone with him a couple times. He was
also up at the Labor Day weekend. He was parked
right next to us. He had his little Starlink
and all that. When Derek had to call the hospital
for the... or the poison control for the brake
fluid incident that he used Mitchell's Starlink.
It's just brake fluid. But, yeah, he used Mitch's
Starlink, so he's a good guy. He told me he would
come out. He was like, I'm going to come. I'm
coming, I promise, after work. And he kept his
promise. About 2 a .m., he rolled into camp,
nice and quiet, set up in about 30 minutes, if
that. I mean, he had his decelerator and everything.
A little bit of Overland news, I guess. I know,
Gavin, you're usually on top of this stuff, so
if I break this to you, I'm going to be surprised.
How do you feel about the ex -Overland merger?
Oh. Ex -Overland merging into... oh god they
merged with overland journal uh and expedition
portal oh yeah expedition portal is the only
one i knew about yeah yeah um i'm cool with it
um i don't really have any i'm just excited more
to see what comes out of it i pretty much kept
up on the xo podcast Yeah, I listened to the
last XO podcast and I was like, man, this is
really dry. But there's so much information.
There's tons. They did, you know, I'm not a huge
XOverland fan. I listen, I cherry pick what episodes
I listen to. But they said something in this
last one that kind of hit me. And it proved what
I've been saying about how I'm not an overlander.
I'm more of just a wheeler. So. And I think they
are with what they said, they kind of alienated
a large group of people that are, you know, in
the overland space because they said that the
only or overlanding is only vehicle based travel
where you live out of your car. They don't count
weekends. They don't count weeks. They think
that overlanding is only when you're in it for
multiple months at a time. I can see that. Makes
sense. I would call that more of an expedition.
Me too. Yeah. So I don't agree with their take
on it. I think the Overland is whatever someone
wants it to be. Yeah. I mean, it's always been
that hot debate. I mean, if I was to give my
definition on it, it's living out of your vehicle,
and it's more... You're not staying at one place
for three days. You have a destination in mind,
and you travel to said destination and camp along
the way to get to that destination. The only
thing I don't agree with that is, who's to say
you don't stay somewhere for three days? If I
were to do a trip from, let's say I did the Pan
American Highway, right? Who's to say I don't
stop and stay somewhere for three days? That's
still overlanding. I'm still vehicle traveling.
I think as long as you keep going, that's fine.
You know what I mean? I think as long as that
three days is part of your travel and you still
are traveling after, I think that's fine. But
you know what? Honestly, I'll be honest, it's
really not that big of a deal. No, it's not.
I mean, the term and the people that try to gatekeep
overlanding or camping. That's what I was getting
at. Yeah. I was getting at the gatekeeping's
dumb. Yeah. I mean, it's car camping if you really
want to go there. I mean, I think the difference
between overlanding and car camping is that overlanding
go places that cars can't typically if you really
want to be specific about it. I personally, and
I talked to Benji yesterday. I called Benji.
Yeah, you called Benji yesterday. And we kind
of talked about our feelings on the overland
space in general right now. And my big thing,
kind of what I've taken out of it, because I've
been thinking about this a lot today. Overlanding
isn't really a hobby. It's an aesthetic to a
hobby, which is wheeling. Yep. I kind of agree
with that. The difference between wheeling and
overlanding is that overlanders have an aesthetic
that goes with it. Yeah. That's it. See, I would
disagree with that because when someone tells
me they're going wheeling, they're taking their
truck out and do, you know, sink it in some mud
and run it on the trail for a couple hours and
then take it back home, fix it. When I think
of wheeling, that's what I think of. Someone
goes, hey, are you guys going wheeling tonight?
I hear you, but really, overlanding is just extended
wheeling. Wheeling also can be multi -day trips.
Dog, get out of here. Wheeling can also be multi
-day trips. The big thing to me, for you to be
considered an overlander, it's an aesthetic thing.
Yeah. Yeah. I honestly, I think I would just
plainly say that I probably would disagree with
that. Just on the basis of, I think if you really
want to generalize anything, it could be under
anything. But I mean, like, I mean, wheeling
could be every, I mean, it could be motorcycles
just going down trails. I mean, I don't know.
I would think that overlanding has a destination,
camp spots along the way, and you're off -road
for hopefully most of it. Car camping would be
you have a destination in mind. Overlanding really
doesn't require you to be off -road, though.
Yeah, but I think the general... consensus is
that with overlanding, you're going some places
that most people can't with their typical vehicle.
So that would be the difference between car camping
and overlanding. But we really don't see overlanders
do that. No. They go to spots that the average
vehicle can go. I mean, maybe you don't. I mean,
I see spots that typical vehicles aren't going
down. I mean, you're not taking a van down some
of these trails. You're not taking, you know,
a Ford Focus or anything like that. But maybe
you are. I don't know. It's hard to go off of
whatever video, you know, the clips of video
you're going after, too. And that is why overlanding
is a fake term and wheeling is a fake term, and
we're all in the same big old basket. Yeah. I
mean, at the end of the day, if you like to do
the same things, because, I mean, If I was to
qualify Alex, I'd say he's more into rock landing.
Rock landing is just wheeling with extra steps.
Exactly. He's more into the rock crawling, the
more technical off -road. So, I mean, we all
fall under the same category. We like to camp.
We do. We like to go off -road. We like to find
cool spots. We don't have to make it more difficult
than that. You know, I'm just saying this gatekeeping
and I, I saw a post, uh, I'm not going to air
their laundry. I saw a post on, uh, I think it
was Facebook that was kind of gatekeeping and
it kind of set me down this path of why the hell
are people like this? Yeah, I don't know. I just,
I don't understand the gatekeeping. I think the
people that do it professionally, um, I think
maybe they have, I wouldn't say more right to
it, but I think they have more experience to
say, hey, you guys aren't on the same level as
us. You know, you're not doing the same thing.
What's the professional level of this? Like,
really, there's no professional version of this.
Professional is when you're getting paid to do
it. That's my definition, I think. So, like,
X Overland, that's about it, really. I mean,
X Overland, anybody who gets paid by views. and
makes a decent amount off of that, I would say
is professional at that point. If you start to
get paid for the videos you're putting out and
it's substantial enough, I think that's professional.
Or when you start moving away. Yeah. Speaking
of podcasts, I want all of our listeners right
now to go look up Outskirts Overland on their
podcatcher of choice or YouTube. He does a live
show every day. Charlie's shows are great. Charlie's
a great guy. He's kind of getting. burnt out
I think listening to him it sounds like he's
kind of getting burnt out he's ready for his
podcast to evolve and move beyond what it is
and he's just he's not seeing the involvement
he wants so listeners go listen to Charlie on
Outskirts Overland I listen to him every day
his show is great he's got a lot of good points
he could step up his audio quality a little bit
but you know When you're doing a show in your
truck on your way to work every day, how do you
expect good quality? Yeah. That makes sense.
It doesn't make sense. Yeah, you can only do
so much about that. Yep. Well, I guess on that
note, let's move into wrap. Yeah, it's wrap time.
So my weekend, nothing happened, of course, but
my days leading up to it. I got my headlights
from Freedom Outfitters. They sent them out,
as I already said, right before they closed down.
Then they closed down, shut their website off,
everything. So I got my headlights in yesterday,
immediately started putting them on, and they
were great, and I did not have the turn signals.
So there was an extra harness that was supposed
to go to the turn signals that was all supposed
to get connected into the one harness so everything
worked together and I ended up having to splice
some wires. Now I tried looking up some diagrams
and when I looked at wiring diagrams for lighting
On the FJ, it was like... Your eyes glaze over?
Yeah, 100%. So what I ended up doing was stripping
a little bit of wire off of each of them and
seeing which one worked and which one didn't.
I call that wiring by feel. I do it pretty often.
Yeah, so there were three wires. I've said, well,
I figure one of these is a ground and one of
these is a positive. One of these is for something
else. So I thought I found one. This is while
the truck was off and the lights were on. Hooked
it all up. The lights worked. Great. I'm like,
cool. I turned the truck on. The lights turned
off. Now, the LEDs, the headlight part did, but
the little LED shroud around it did not. So I
realized that I hooked up the LED shroud to the
brights. So the only time it would turn on is
if I turn the brights on. So I popped the hood
again, un -taped all of it, and tried the other
one and found the other wire that worked. Hooked
those back up, taped them back up, and, yeah,
we're all set. Good. I had to cut the new housings,
which hurt a little bit. That way my Anderson
connectors could still fit. because the way that
I had that before, the cables going to the Anderson
connector right under my headlight, they cut
into the housing a little bit. That way they
could actually fit. But it's all good. They look
great. If you guys want to see them, you can
go to my Instagram, Huckleberry's Adventures.
They're on there. I have a little video on there
right now, and they turned out very well. They're
way brighter than my other ones, and they have
a good cutoff. I didn't get flashed once yesterday,
and they're still brighter than I've ever had
before. And this reel you made, I already told
you this, is by far the best reel you've ever
made. Well, thank you, thank you. The cinematography
is good. The audio is good. It took me TikTok
and one toilet session to get that done. Hell
yeah. I mean, TikTok actually has a pretty good
editing for videos and stuff. So I do a lot of
my editing and then music combinations off of
TikTok first, save the video, post it on TikTok,
then post it on Instagram and Facebook. Have
you tried Instagram's new editor? Actually, it's
funny you said that when I added that in last
night. That stuff popped up, and I was like,
ooh. I've seen all the stuff up there. It looks
quite nice. So if you've seen the reel that I
made with Duncan with his thumb up just tilted
all over the screen, I made that with the new
Instagram editor, and since then, every reel
I've made has been with it. It's so good. Yeah,
I'll be looking to do that soon. I want to get
some more cinematographic. Um, footage of the
FJ, something a little bit higher quality stuff,
start posting it. So it's harder because I want
to keep my phone to the side to get my cinematic
footage. And it's, uh, you can't really do that
with like TikTok and Instagram and Facebook.
So I just got to remember that. And I have to
remember to use my fricking dongle. I have one
of the, one of those, uh, what do you call those?
You like the chicken with the camera on it? Oh.
Gimbal. Gimbal. Gimbal. Yeah. I have one of those.
I should use it because it stabilizes me when
I'm walking and stuff. Which reminds me, Alex,
do you have a magnetic sticky ring that goes
on the back of phones? Little metal rings? If
you have any, let me know. A MagSafe? Yeah. I
do not have another MagSafe right now. Because
that's how it hooks on to that. So I got to find
one. I'm sure I have one somewhere. I can send
you the link to a really good one. I've put like
three of them on my wife's phone and then she
just rips them off someday and doesn't say anything.
And they're like $20 a piece. So she's not getting
one anymore. Womp womp. But they were good. Yeah.
I have two of them right here in front of me.
One on the Pixel 6. One on my Fairphone. There
you go. But, yeah, I mean, that was pretty much
my wrap. I mean, I'm not going – well, I'm going
camping here tomorrow night. So I spent today
just kind of prepping, cleaning out the truck,
throwing out a bunch of stuff I don't need, consolidating
electrical stuff into my Milwaukee box, and just
checking batteries, checking headlamp, checking
– I'm going to have to probably pick up my buddy
here. Kind of thinking I was going to have a
diesel heater by now. Said it's supposed to get
into the 30s, and I won't use it this weekend,
but it's just something I need to start thinking
about for fall camping. Yep. So our wrap. What
did we do this weekend? Oh, it was a camping
work weekend. Oh, what did we do this weekend?
I was going to say, just Dunkin's. You guys had
something with the trailer too, didn't you? Oh,
yeah. We had a lot. Did my truck. So first. We
finished lifting the rear of Duncan's truck.
That took all weekend, nonstop work. So Duncan's
truck sits level now. It's not riding dirty anymore.
It's somewhat level. I think we got to tweak
the front down a little bit. Yeah, a little bit,
but for the most part, it's level. It's a lot
more level. Now it's not four -wheel drive because
that's 529s in the back and 410s in the front.
Yeah. So we got to get that other diff in there
with the 529s. Yep. Yeah, this truck looks good.
He's got currently some Icon shocks in the front
and some Rough Countries that we bought just
for placeholders in the rear. He's got some Icons
that actually came today, so it might be Icons
all the way around by now. I don't know. Okay.
So, yeah, it's great. It rides good. It looks
good. I mean, I don't know what else to say about
it. It lifted well, so. Yeah. Did some OME 861s
in the rear just to help support that roll cage
that he had put in. So hopefully it's a big upgrade
for him. And let's see what else. Mark's truck
now has a slide -out table. Yep. With packout
mounts on top for like a little kitchen area
on the trail. It also has a second spare tire
so that yours truly doesn't have to carry my
own spare. It looks sick, man. Got the rock runner
look going now. It looks really sick with that
dual spare. It does. It's a little goofy right
now, but eventually it'll all be the same size
and matchy. No. But, no, it looks sick, man.
Yep. Then we had Alan weld up a swing out tailgate
for the trailer. So now the trailer can carry
its own spare tire, which that looks sick. Like
I got, there's nothing bad to say. That just
looks sick. Yep. Yeah. I do like your idea of
moving that license plate up to the. The arm.
Yes, we need to do that to keep it from getting
damaged and stuff. And we need to get it painted.
Yep. But, no, it looks good, man. I don't know
who else has a swing tire carrier on their trailer,
but if they do, they're just as cool as us. What
else happened this weekend? I was looking at
coffee. Yeah. The rigs and coffee was fun. This
was a really good rigs and coffee. It was. Sad
I missed it. I don't know what else to say. There
were just a lot of cool people there and a lot
of cool trucks. Yep. Nothing that really stood
out. It was just a really fun time. Yeah. Yeah.
It sucks. I hate missing those, but these last
couple rigs and coffees, they fell on my work
weekends, and there's nothing I can really do
about it if I want to get these other weekends
off. Yeah. There was a pretty slick hot rod that
was there, though. Oh, yeah. Definitely not the
normal kind of rig, but it was like a resto mod.
Yep. It was kind of rat roddy, but not very far.
I don't know. It was just really sharp. It was
a really sharp one. The interior was beautiful.
Yes. Very good. Very well upholstered. I did
hear some crazy Overland news. What's that? Our
very own GMC Terrain Driver Zach has finally
upgraded and moved on to a brand new Tundra.
Oh, my gosh. Honestly, that kind of surprised
me that he went to a Tundra. It was. It was really
funny when you posted that in the group chat.
Because like three days before that, we had talked
about it because it got posted on MSD. Yep. Three
or four days before that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
I didn't know that. And someone was like, hey,
you guys should, someone should probably tell
Alex. I think I sent Alex a message, but I think
he said he saw it before I even said anything
to him. Yeah. But, I mean, it's cool. It's an
07. Scott Lowe Miles seems rust free. I mean.
I don't know why anyone thought that I had an
issue with Zach or his terrain. Nobody did. I
don't think. I had fun riffing on Zach, but,
like, everyone thought I actually had beef with
him. No, it just was fun to make fun of him.
Yeah. Well, he got rid of the terrain now, and
now he's a tundra boy. Now I can make fun of
him for having a hippo. I don't know, man. I
almost traded mine in for a Tundra a while back.
So it was just nice to have four doors and lots
of space. That's really what it came down to.
It's a nice truck. Yeah, it's beautiful. And
now he's going to be doing Nolan things. He's
going to be taking eight -point turns and scratching
the sides, which is great for an exterior detailer.
Oh, he won't be scratching the sides. That guy
won't be scratching the sides. He'll probably
put a PPF on that before he even takes it. Yeah,
his overland trips will be paved roads to state
parks. Honestly, with a truck that nice, I wouldn't
blame him for doing that for a little while just
to try to hold on. I tried doing that too, and
then I went on one trail that just was not supposed
to be going down. And then after that, I was
just like, all right, fuck it. You got me going
very tight trails the first weekend. With your
beautiful truck. Yeah, it's not a scratch on
it. Here's Mark just bombing down trails. Alex,
hey, I don't know if you're going to want to
go down this trail, Gavin. I'm like, eh, I'm
going. Just. You know, believe it or not, Gavin,
there was a time when my third gen had absolutely
immaculate paint, even under my ownership. Hey.
It once had immaculate paint. If it makes you
feel better, I don't think I've once looked at
your paint other than the color. Like, I've never
actually took a deep dive and been like, ooh,
there's a scratch here. Ooh, there's a scratch
there. So you're safe. That silver actually hides
scratches pretty well. Until they get deep and
they scratch the paint off and then it's a different
color. Yeah, I got some of those. From afar,
it looks fine. You give it a 50 feet mark, you're
good. Yeah. Yeah, that whole left side. Rear
fender of mine's all fucked up. I don't know.
It had to have been that New Year's run where
it was sitting into the bank when I was really
trying to get it out towards the end. My whole
passenger side, dude. It's rough. I've tried.
You can't even put wax on it and make it go away
very well. Clean some of it up, but it's there.
That's okay. I'm not too particular about it,
but I was trying to clean it up a little bit.
I was about to say, if your trail toy is not
scratched, then we got some issues. Yeah. Well,
it's not my trail toy. It's my daily. It just
doubles as the trail toy. I wish I could find
another paint -matched mirror for my passenger
side. You screwed up so bad with that. Yeah,
you should just quit by now. I did that once.
It was beautiful. Thanks, Benji. And then, like,
that next week, I just ripped it off. Ripped
it right off of the same hill. The same spot.
Same spot. Yeah. Rip did not learn his lesson.
He did not. Yeah, no. We got some cool stuff
coming up. We got Leatherwood next Wednesday.
Yeah. Well, next Thursday. Oh, shoot. Well, Mark,
are you coming here after work on Wednesday?
That's the plan. Group record. You're not going
to be here by 7, though, are you? Probably not.
I thought we were going to do Tuesday. Are we
recording on Tuesday? That makes my life a lot
easier. That's what you said last week. Hey,
I'm bad. I've had a hell of a week, okay? I thought
we were going to record Tuesday and then have
it uploaded Wednesday. If we're recording Tuesday,
that works. That works. Yeah, that works. Yeah,
so we're going to. We got Leatherwood coming
up. Me, Mark, Duncan. I think that's all from
botches that are going. And Alan. They can count
the welder slash true mechanic. Yeah, I was going
to say, he's the real hero behind the scenes.
You guys don't know it. But when they talk about
all the stuff they do on their trucks and all
that. Only welding. I mean, Alan's there. He
kind of walks away for anything not welding related.
You know what? That's okay. Welders, that's what
happens with welders. They only come when they're
needed. Or we're having a tough time with something,
and he somehow has managed to always get the
broken up when we need to, as long as he doesn't
break the bolt. Yeah, he does that a lot, too.
Yeah. He does a lot of bolt breaking. That runs
in the family, bolt breaking, over -torquing.
Yeah. Hey, Mark, what's my lower ball joint bolt
supposed to be at? 110 foot pounds. That's odd
because it got really loose all of a sudden.
45 foot pounds, guys. It's 45 foot pounds. You
just said bolt. You didn't say bolts. Oh, my
gosh. You did not clarify. That's very fair.
Very fair. Yeah. what else oh yeah i don't know
i have to figure out so we're leaving tomorrow
and hopefully we have some food or we're gonna
be in dehydrated food all weekend oof we don't
get paid till friday so speaking of dehydrated
food all weekend guys we should definitely like
take a break right here Yep. So I can go poop.
Oh. Yep. Break or just call it? Nah, we can't
just call it. We'll keep going. I'm good. We're
good. Okay. We're good. Are you sure? I don't
know how we would do the break thing without
screwing up our timing. I was going to say, you
could just mute it and go, and me and Mark can
handle it. Oh, yeah. That would work. All right.
You remember, I've had to run out a few times.
I'll be back. So now that it's the real show,
Mark and I, we're here. I'm going to interview
Mark real quick because I haven't seen his truck
actually in a while. Yeah. So you guys are getting
new tires after Leatherwood, right? Yeah. I know
Alex definitely needs to. i know you're getting
there i'm getting there i gotta build up for
it though because i gotta get um i gotta relocate
my cab mount and then trim and cut for 35s and
then i'm also going to do long travel which will
also help with 35s with the kit i'm looking at
so with them combined i should have more than
enough clearance I'm going to be moving to 35s
probably late next year or so. Maybe. Probably,
though. I mean, I'll be 100 % honest with you.
Other than the fact that I just like the look
of the little bit wider, little bit bigger stance
on it, there's no other reason for me to go to
35s other than the added benefit of the size
for traversing material. Yeah. That's why it's
not a huge priority. Right now, I do fine, and
my truck works fine. But just looks -wise, I'd
like to add a little bit more aggressiveness
to it. Oh, yeah. I think I'd like a little bit
larger tread pattern, like wider. I don't want
to put spacers on, but I do want more tires sticking,
a wider tire. That's where you get your offsets.
right but when you buy rims at offset because
i think currently i want to say mine's a negative
15 offset which pushes my tires out yeah i think
um when alex finally decides to switch his wheels
and tires out i'll buy his wheels from him and
i'll work with whatever he's got offset wise
but because i think he's switching out everything
so yeah I think that'll be when I change wheels.
Honestly, for now, I don't mind the black, the
matte black, and just spraying them every once
in a while to just keep that color and the flaking
down. I still have the stock wheels. I've just
scuffed them and painted them a few times. Do
you know what trimming you need to do for making
35s work for the FJs? You know, you talk to some
people, and they say that you need to do a little
bit. Um, like you just need to take the, the
wheel wells, like the fender liners out and do
a little tripping on the, the bottom end. You
talk to some guys and they say with a three inch,
you don't need to, but I'm assuming those guys
aren't the ones that are out wheeling all the
time and don't need that full articulation. Probably
not. It's probably like, like the one guy, me
and Alex met at fricking St. John's. I want to
say he was rocking 35s on the third gen 4Runner,
but at the same time, I feel like it was the
third gen. Did no sort of trimming on it or anything.
He's like, yeah, I don't rub. The entire time
here, throughout the entire park, like, yeah,
he honestly either cranks his music and doesn't
realize he rubs or does his first time off -roading
with them. Yes, to both. And I think that's a
lot of people, though. So that's why it's really
hard to kind of find out. Because you talk to
one person, they say you need new upper control
arms. You need this. You need that. You talk
to another person, they're like, well, I've been
running 35s for years. I go off -road. I'm fine
with just doing this and this. So it's odd. I've
got to do a little bit more research. Honestly,
it's been probably eight months since I've even
looked into it. Yeah. But it's just one of those
mixed bag reviews. I think I'll try putting them
on there, see what I need to take, and then take
it. I do know a guy I was watching here the other
day who's running 37s, and he's done a little
bit, but he still has his stock fender flares.
So I think there is ways to get around it. I'm
assuming that my upper control arms will need
to be changed out. Oh, yeah. That's going to
be probably the biggest thing. Are you lifted
or not yet? Yeah, I'm lifted. I mean, I'm not
the highest that my Bilsteins can go, but I'm
two and a half. Yeah. I'm going to say two and
a half is all you really need to start getting
bigger tires underneath. I just can't remember
if yours was not. yeah yeah because i'm running
those 285s and those are 33s out of 35s and i
have buku clearance right now so yeah another
another couple inches i don't think is really
gonna i think i can run it i just think it's
gonna put me closer to rubbing is all it's gonna
do I know for the most part there's long travel
kits like the one I'm going to be looking at.
They always push your tires forward an extra
inch from what used to be stock -wise. Oh, sure.
So that's another reason why a lot of people
go long travels to get the tire pushed forward.
Yeah, I don't think I'm going to go long travel.
I don't think that's just ever going to be a...
I don't think that fits the type of off -roading
I do. Not like you guys. Not to say that it'll
never happen, but just right now it's not in
my future. A lot of mine, like my wife, she just
doesn't get the same joy from hitting technical
stuff. She's a bystander and she likes to read
and stuff while we're on trails and navigate.
So she doesn't really get anything. My son doesn't
like sitting cooped up in the car while we're
doing it. They get a lot more joy out of the
destination or the way there, like, you know,
if we're taking scenic trails. They get a lot
more joy out of that. So just with me trying
to keep the peace, I think, and keep everybody
interested and invested in it and having fun
the whole time, I think it's just going to stay
more anchored towards catering to the family
instead of to what I want. Yeah. So, yeah, I
mean, it's going to pretty much stay. I don't
think long travel is going to happen for me,
but who knows? Who knows? Maybe the more that
I wheel and the more technical things get, maybe
that'll change, but it may be somewhere. I know
I have a long list of other things I need to
do first, like I got to get sliders. I need to
get the complete full skids. I only have the
stock skids that came with it. Long travel? Oh,
hey, I'm back, guys, by the way. Long travel
is how you make your truck more comfortable.
What are you talking about? I might go to that
someday, like I said, but I think if I was to
get another set of shocks and stuff, it might
be 8100s, and I think those might require long
travel. Not 100 % sure. I don't think they might
actually. No, they don't. No, they shouldn't.
But that's... That's just me wanting to go down
the Bilstein route and see how things really
improve. There's no reason for me to want to
go to 81s other than the change in comfort, but
also to say, hey, I did the 6120s, 5160s. This
is how much different they are with the 8112s.
And I think I could go to icons. I could go to
one of the cell phone ones, Iron Man. But honestly,
I just really want to see how much more it improves
staying in that one. Unless something in the
8112s really proves to be like they're very unreliable,
you have to rebuild them really constantly, then
maybe I'll switch. But for now, I think that's
just going to be, I just want to test this line.
and see how that goes. But that won't be for,
unless my shocks blow, that won't be for a while.
Yeah. So I just realized I never updated everyone
on the swag. Oh, no, you didn't. So it's great.
I got nothing else. It sets up really fast. We
didn't really time it. What would you say, Mark?
Like five minutes I had my camp set up? Yeah.
I mean, chairs included everything. Like, five
minutes, I'm done. Mm -hmm. Yeah, it's great.
And when it's, like, 30 degrees outside, it's
nice and warm in the swag. And moisture wasn't
a problem when we were under freezing, so that's
impressive, too. Mm -hmm. Yeah. But, yeah, just
overall, it's pretty great. The mattress is comfy.
We actually slept, me, Mercy, Kaylynn, and the
kid. all in there one a couple nights yep yeah
i'm thinking about i'm i've been tossing it around
in my head do i want to try and stick with the
dagger for this weekend or go up to that on my
blue tent the sixth person but i think i think
we're gonna do the sixth person because i'm gonna
be there thursday friday saturday as far as the
nights go so having something comfortable And
something I always like to do if we do like an
over weekend type thing, I like to have the bigger
tent. Takes longer to put up, takes longer to
put down, but it's more comfortable in the long
run. So come get the one that Joe just gave you.
What about say? That's a 10 person. And? I don't
want a 10 person for that. The 10 person will
come when. I have a specific use for that one,
actually, and that's going to be when Leo, Sienna's
father, joins us. And he's going to be coming
to a couple of our, I really want him to come
to the Labor Day one. I just, he doesn't get
to go camping a lot. He doesn't get to enjoy
himself a lot. I just know he would have a freaking
blast up there doing all the touristy stuff,
seeing the Chris Point, the Two -Hearted, stuff
that we've seen already. Just something new for
him to witness. And then Jasper going there too.
He loves hanging out with his grandpa. Yeah,
I really like when we do that and we're set up
for three days, it'll be nice to have that whole
setup there where it can fit everybody comfortably
and we don't have to worry about separate tents.
I'll just throw that into his car. My only thing
is I don't know. how we're going to do that we're
still figuring that out yeah car wise because
like he's not going to be able to get there in
his little buick to that place we got to like
you have to you have to air down you have to
have some decent tires to get there and some
decent all -wheel drive four -wheel drive to
get there so um so i think maybe he'll get close
you know park on the side of the road or something
and then join us But we'll see. We'll see. That's
all in the future. That's a tomorrow Gavin issue.
No, I have a lot of tomorrow Alex problems. I
get it. Well, it's like today has been, I didn't
end up getting, you know, started packing and
stuff for tomorrow because we're leaving after
work. And of course now. It had been raining
the other half of the day, so I haven't been
able to actually go through the back end of my
truck. I know my fridge is charged. I know some
of my lighting's charged and my power pack is
charged, but I like to usually go through, check
all my batteries, my chainsaw batteries, my impact
and drill batteries, make sure everything's topped
off and ready. How sick would it be if someone
came out with a Bauer or Milwaukee -powered fridge?
It'd be so sick. Actually, that does remind me.
Something I need to do with my setup, and it's
kind of a need at this point, is I need to hook
up a battery charger for my chainsaw and then
a battery charger for my impact on an inverter.
Yeah, we need to do that too. There's no reason
for me to have like, I mean, five chainsaw batteries
is fine because you never know. You might need
it, especially this weekend in Grayling area
where we're going. But, like, once it's gone,
it's gone. So that's, like, my impact if I end
up having to use it a lot. You know, yeah, I
can go down to socket. So I guess that's not
a big deal. But if I need to use a grinder, if
I need to use my, you know, my orbital, God,
what do you call that? The zippy. I can't remember
what it's called. Oscillator saw. Oh, yeah. The
oscillator. Yeah, if I need to use that, anything
like that, then it's just going to be a whole
lot more. So it's been something I've been thinking
about for a while, and I need to figure out how
I'm going to wire it in because I need to hide
the inverter, and then I need to hide the wiring
and then actually mount those two somewhere.
I think I have a spot for them. Next to the side,
the rear side windows are kind of dead space
where I just kind of throw a bunch of crap. I
have the shelf up there, though, so I could screw
those down, have them mounted, and be good and
done there. So we'll see. But definitely something
I need to think about. I did charge my winch
controller today. Plug that in. pulled my winch
cable out and i'm probably going to need to get
cable soon um we pulled it out a little bit checked
it me and alex here when he helped me with my
lights and that part was good but as i was kind
of looking at it as i pulled i pulled the whole
length out and there were some spots that looked
like they were kind of fusing or look it almost
looked like someone took like a blow torch to
them and then it almost started melting Like
that. And then there was some breakage in the
line a little bit. So that'll be something that
I need to do here within the next three months.
Excuse me. Sorry, I didn't mute that. Yeah, thanks.
Sorry. But, yeah, so I'm going to have to go
start looking at synthetic line and hopefully
go with something cheaper but still really well
working. Me and Alex will talk about that at
some point. Check out Crawler. Crawler's got
some good stuff. I'm just going to buy some off
of Amazon. No, buy some Crawler. Buy good gear.
I'm just going to buy it off of Amazon. It says
it's rated for a lot of weight. I'm sure it is.
Gavin, Gavin, just get the Crawler rope. It's
not even expensive. What's not expensive to you?
Well, I mean, it's only $90 for a good rope.
Okay, that's doable. $90. But it's probably $20
then on Amazon. Yeah, you're probably right.
No, I would not run a $20 winch line. I ain't
going to lie. I just, I don't know, man. I think
at one point me and you should actually test
that out. That would be a good botches video.
$20 winch line versus $90 winch line. Do some
durability testing. Yeah, no, I do really recommend
Crawler. They've got some good gear. They stand
by their products, and they're not just pumping
out some Chinese garbage. They actually put in
some thought and think about what they're doing,
you know? So before they order it from China,
They actually tell them that they don't want
it to be a certain thing. You know, I actually
think. Let me. You know what? I'm going to ask
him. I'm just going to I'm going to put in a
contact because I like. Oh, God. And we have
a listener calling in right now. I'll be right
back. So if anybody's wondering, that phone call
that you hear in the background is for his job.
He's always on call in his little turkey farm.
So sometimes those are like alerts to certain
issues. Yep. It's definitely an alarm call. Yep.
Alarm calls for turkeys. It could be, you know,
one bay is overheating. Is it okay? Are they
all alive? Yeah, I know. It's fine. You didn't
have a fan blow up in the storm? That did happen
once, but not this time. I don't know. I'm going
to message them because I know that they're out
of Highland, Michigan, but I don't know where
their lines are actually made. Good idea. And,
you know, maybe if we really like them, we could
start working with them as a partner. We are
looking for partners, not necessarily sponsors,
but people to work with with good product that
we're proud of talking about and using. We don't
want junk. We don't want an all -in -one Amazon
Temu battery charger, vacuum, air compressor,
all -in -one. But we're looking for people with
actual solid products. Like maybe if you 3D print
something specifically for a certain vehicle
or you solve a certain problem, get a hold of
us. Yeah. We'd be happy to give honest opinions
on it and only honest opinions. So if you can't
handle that constructive criticism, then don't
even worry about it. And I don't want random
Instagram people messaging me. I just got one
of those like today. Yeah, that's what I was
just talking about with your all -in -one vacuum
air compressor. Well, no, it's not an all -in
-one vacuum air compressor. It's they have jump
starters, vacuum cleaners, LED bulbs. And if
I'm interested, I need to let them know the year,
make, and model of my car. And it's probably
like Shibulia is like the name of it. Or Shimza.
Or Bawa. Who was the last one that reached out
to us? I don't even remember. I don't know. It
was very similar. I know we didn't end up getting
back to them because we couldn't. We didn't feel
like shitting on their product. Yeah. Yeah, I
don't know. Who is Mason B? Some dude named Mason
B messaged me. Is he on Instagram? He is. Oh,
he lives around Lake City. Hmm. What's he got
to say? Anything in particular for us, or is
it just more? He lives around Lake City and would
love to hit some trails with us. All right. Someday.
Someday, Mason B. We should do, so I've been
thinking about this and haven't quite figured
out how to make it work yet, but we should do
like a cords and coffee or a cords and brew or
something where we just, we drop the coordinates
in the podcast and then listeners can just come
out. That would be cool. Yeah. That would be
cool. Even if we just had three people show up.
It would kind of show us who's actually listening,
so that'd be fun. It's me, you, and Mark because
nobody else can make it because they're working
or they're in a different country. We have that.
Yeah, we have that. We do. We have a lot of people
spread out from all sorts of countries. We got
a lot of views from Sacramento. We got some from
Chicago, St. Joseph, all over the world. It's
cool to see. List only U .S. states. Listeners
from Sydney. We got listeners from Brisbane.
We got listeners from Bengaluru, India. We got
listeners from a Chinese symbol that doesn't
have a translation on it. Yeah. Sorry, I was
listing our top five cities with our top five
downloads. Oh, we have a listener. We have a
listener from Honolulu. That's it. We made it.
We made it. That's it. Listener from Honolulu,
how do you feel about the newly loaned Stitch?
It pissed you off too, didn't it? And we'll never
hear because he... He probably downloaded one
episode and then bailed on us. That's okay. No,
it'd be kind of cool to do something, like maybe
have listeners boost in their zip code or something.
It'd just be cool to know where people that actually
listen are from. Obviously, we can see downloads,
right? Yeah. It'd be kind of cool to set up a
map where we can actually see where listeners
are. Yeah. zip codes three digits on the last
of your credit card uh yeah you're uh you're
full social uh your mother's maiden name and
your first pet the first school you went to as
well please oh yes yes yes please please please
and if you just put private for all these security
questions please tell us that too yeah or the
first street you lived on See what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or your dad's middle
name. God. I had to think about that. I was like,
what is my dad's middle name? It's Joseph. My
dad's middle name is Matthew. I can't do my dad's
middle name because it's my middle name. I can't
do my grandpa's middle name because it's my middle
name. Yeah, I don't have any of that. I don't
have any of that weird stuff. I would say that
my first name was supposed to be Laverne at one
point. But then you were a guy? No, that was
the guy's name, thanks. Oh. That was my grandfather
and great -grandfather's name. Oh. Both veterans.
I'm sure they were stellar men. They're dead
now. They're still stellar in my book. Yeah,
they were stellar. One of them survived, I think
he did two different wars. I can't remember exactly.
I think it was two different wars. Survived both,
came home, was driving a motorcycle one day and
went out on a curve, and that's how he went.
Jesus. It's just life is so short. Can you imagine
that? One of my cousins actually passed away
this last weekend. Oh, dude, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Uh, it sucks. You know, he was, he was only three
years older than me and it was just kind of a
freak accident. And it kind of reminds you about
how short life is and how quick it could be taken
away. So, um, it, it kind of reinforced my need
to make sure that I'm out with my family as much
as I can afford to be. Um, and not to prioritize
or get, or get, you know, put my head in the
sand for work because work could give a hoot
less about you, but your family needs you. You
got memories to make. That right there is why
you don't drive boring cars. Yeah. Because life
is short, and who wants to die and say, I drove
a Honda Civic my whole life. VTEC, brother. No.
Okay, so there's cool Honda Civics. Yeah. Who
wants to die and say, I drove a Toyota Matrix
my whole life? Yeah, okay. You can't really get
around. Or I drove a Kia Soul my whole life.
There's people that think those are cool, though.
Yeah, and they're wrong. Like Nissan Jukes. Nissan
Jukes. Do you remember those? The wraparound
windows? There is a hardcore love for Nissan
Jukes, though. I'm sure there is. It's like the
PT Cruisers. Dude, PT Cruiser fandom or PT Cruiser
car shows are finally dying. Because for a while
there, they were rivaling Jeeps. Like, they were
massive. I've only sent you one picture of one
PT Cruiser that I actually liked. The only good
PT Cruiser is the one that's got an SRT4 engine
in it, and it's only good because it's a cheap
way to get an SRT4 engine. Yeah. Yeah. You know,
I kind of want an Element. Well. And on that
note, Gavin's gay. No, there's a guy in Grant
that has a lifted element. The white one with
the snorkel on it? No, no, no, no. This one's
cleaner. Have you seen the white one with the
snorkel? I thought that was a Scion. It might
be a Scion. I don't know. They're all ugly. Man,
what happened to Scion? Who made those guys again?
Who's the... Was it Toyota? I'm pretty sure it's
Toyota. Why'd you guys kill the Scions? It was
such a cool car. So Scion was supposed to be
the affordable and stylish vehicle for younger
buyers because only older people were buying
Toyotas. So they tried to, like, slip in and
make something cool. I mean, I remember when
they came out, I thought they were really cool.
So, I mean, their marketing wasn't off. They
gave them, like, no performance car. Like, what'd
you get? The Scion version of the BRZ. Yeah,
I was going to say, wasn't that the TC? What
did they call that thing? Hold on, let me see.
Scion. Was it the FR -S? Yeah, FR -S. Was it
the FR -S? Yeah. 2016 Scion FR -S. I'm pretty
sure I just remember driving the Scion TC in
a video game. It might have been Midnight Club
Dub Edition. Okay, so the Scion TC is like a
super slow grandpa car dressed up to look nice.
It looks nice, though. I actually do like the
look of these. I think it's comparable to a Toyota
Matrix. No. Stop it. I think it is. The 2016
Scion TC, the looks of it are honestly not that
bad. I can't. Trying to figure out what the Toyota
version was. What is the Toyota version to the
Scion TC? The Corolla? Camry? Oh, yeah, it was
just a Toyota Corolla. Yeah. But, no, if you
look up Scion FR -S, right? Yeah, I've seen them.
Yeah, that's a BRZ. Yeah, they're the same thing,
literally. Definitely. They are, in my opinion,
the only good car that Scion ever made. Yeah,
I don't have any other way to put that. So, and
if I remember right, didn't they have, like,
a 50 -50 weight distribution? I just remember
they were really well... Yeah, they're perfectly
50 -50 weight distributed, which is fucking awesome.
Yeah, they killed off the Scions in America,
it must be, because they still have some that
are running. They have, like, 2016s and stuff,
and I haven't seen a new Scion like that ever.
Like, the only ones I still see running are the
XBs, unfortunately. I see a lot of Scion XBs,
man. What'd they have in those? Why are they
still running? Because they're a Toyota. Yeah,
but I don't see the other Scions. I just see
the XBs. That's why I'm asking. The rest were
bought. Well, one, Scion didn't sell very well,
which is why they killed it off. So because Scion
didn't sell well, then you've got less of them
in general. And I think the XB was like the most
common Scion to be bought. You know who should
have never got shut down? Pontiac. Oldsmobile?
Oldsmobile. Pontiac. Oldsmobile. Definitely Pontiac.
We should definitely have modern day versions
of the quad 442. It would be sick. No. Pontiac.
They could have been there. They could have had
Firebirds. They could have had new GTOs. They
could have been a competitor, man. I want to
see a modern Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser. Oh, it'd
be so freaking cool, dude. You know, Pontiac,
a new Pontiac Solstice would be fucking crazy
if they were to make it anywhere near what Chevy
Corvettes have been looking like. Oh, I love
the Solstice. I got nothing bad to say about
Solstices. If Pontiac, I mean, like the GTOs
weren't the best reincarnation, but they were
still not like the worst looking cars. The Pontiac
G8s were ahead of their time. Oh, yeah. 100%.
V8 front wheel drive. Yeah, I love the look of
the G8s. I've seen them every once in a while.
Chevy came out. Not long after that, it would
have been 2017, they came out with a, like, modern
version of the G8. It's called the Chevy SS,
just Chevy SS. And to this day, it's one of my
dream cars because they're almost luxury, not
quite. Yeah. Four -door sedan, front -wheel drive,
V8. Pontiac just had. so many freaking hits like
the g8 the sunfire i liked the sunfire like the
i mean you can the ws6 uh firebird or trans am
sorry uh gorgeous they so they had so much the
grand prixs everybody i'm pretty sure everybody's
owned a grand prix oh yeah stellar grand prix
Stellar. Just for shits and giggles, I looked
up a Chevy SS to see what they're going for today,
right? 48 ,000 miles, 2016. It's a $50 ,000 car.
I could see that. Honestly, Chevy SS's are pretty
gorge, pretty nice. Especially if they're the
manual version, dude. Oh, my God. Yeah, I...
Are those technically Holdens? Holden was the
one that did the GTO, I think, with Pontiac.
I think you're right, but I think the Chevy SS
is also a Holden. Yeah, it's a Holden Commodore
VF is the Chevy SS. Or how about this? Bring
some Holdens. Let's get some Holdens in America.
Dude, I'm so down. Because those are sick looking
too. Yeah, I like Holdens. And let's get some
Utes. Why don't we have American Utes? I was
going to say, don't they have Holden Utes? Like...
And why... Ford should just bring the Barra over
here and sell it, because I want something with
a Barra in it. Holden Commodores. Oh, yeah. I
actually... I saw on Marketplace, there's actually
someone selling a rebuilt Barra right here in
Michigan. And if I had the like 10 grand they're
asking for it, I would own it. I don't know what
I'd put it in, but I'd put it in the 4Runner.
I'd make the 4Runner a Ford -powered straight
six. I don't know, man. I just know that all
these other car companies suck for not bringing
these cars over. It's all these car companies
that are like, well, we wouldn't sell a lot.
You're wrong. You're wrong. You bring... The
stripped out old Toyotas that they think wouldn't
sell well, they'd sell extremely well. Yeah.
You also got to remember it's all dealing with
fucking, it was some trade deal or something.
I'm trying to remember exactly what it was. I
remember that. I remember what you're talking
about. But still, I mean, all they have to do
is bring these old Toyota pickup trucks. I think
that's the biggest reason. They don't bring them
because it's going to take so much money away
from our. You know, Ford, Chevy, you know, $25
,000 crank window Toyota pickup trucks that have
survived the apocalypse. Yeah, no, it doesn't
appeal to Ford. A lot of them don't meet safety
standards. I was about to say, I think it was
also safety standards a main issue too. Well,
you know what? I hate to be that guy, but, you
know, 60 % of the cars I see driving down the
road don't meet safety standards. in the northern
part of the country because of salt rust. Yes,
but they did meet them when they were sold, and
that's what people care about. No, I don't. They
got seatbelts? Yep. Okay. You got some airbags?
Yep. Okay. You just pay the import tax and get
your vehicle from out of country. Yeah, that's
the thing is I don't want to pay the import tax.
Well, then you got to deal with what we got then.
Well, I am, I am, but the only people that can
afford import tax are the rich. Real quick, we
can get off that topic because it just is going
to make us all upset. We're all upset anyway.
Has anyone seen the new packout drawer? What?
All right, let me pull it back up. I wish that
they would come out with, so it's a rolling drawer,
right? A rolling single drawer. So it's like
a full pack out, but when it's on the bottom
of the stack, you can, oh, I could send a link.
When it's on the bottom of the stack, you can
actually pull it out and access it without removing
the rest of the stack. And the problem is it's
got wheels on it. I wish they'd come out with
one that was just, just. Oh yeah. Okay. I've
seen this. Yeah. Like. This is useful as shit.
They just released it like two days ago. That
would make a killer pooper. Removable bin. I
think Milwaukee edition. Does it? Yeah, I don't
know. I want one, but I only want one if I can
lock it into a packout stack. I wish that they'd
make one just like it, but without the wheels
on it. Then it'd be perfect. Yeah. I would love
for them to make like a regular pack out bin
the size of like the one I bought for electronics
with a tilt bin that would tilt down. Because
that would be really great. But to make it minimalistic
too so it didn't have these giant protruding
corners on either side. Because that does create
about an inch of gap. But you know what? That's
their structure for it. They have a lot of good
stuff. Yeah. I mean, they got a lot of good stuff
going anyway. I just got to find a place to mount
mine. I wish that I could just tell Packout what
should be made and then they'd make it to my
standards. But, you know, whatever. Right. 3D
printer. I want them to come out with a Packout
chest that doesn't have wheels on it and has
Packout plates on the bottom so I can lock it
into my trailer. Yep. Right. Or here's a crazy
thing. Why don't they just sell pack -out plates?
Like, why are you buying these from Etsy and
stuff? Why don't they just sell metal cut -out
pack -out plates? It would be so easy. Oh, you're
talking about that. I was about to say, they
do sell pack -out plates. They sell plastic.
They sell plastic ones. Yeah, I mean, it just
doesn't make sense. No. At least the off -road
anonymous ones are Michigan -made, so. Yep. Yeah,
that's true. All right. Hopefully Crawler gets
back to me and we find out that they make all
their lines right here in Michigan. Then it's
100 % who I'm buying from. Yeah, me too. Yeah,
I'll spend it. All right. We're at an hour 12.
Yeah, it's time to call it for sure. Time to
call it, guys. It was a big crazy debate with
all of our cars we wish we wanted. Well, I hope
you guys enjoyed our very off -topic randomness.
Yep. We will have another episode for you next
week that hopefully I get out before I leave
at 1 in the morning on Thursday. And hopefully
this gets out tomorrow. Or Friday. Or Tuesday.
Or Tuesday. We'll see. All right. Very, very
busy couple weeks, guys. Very busy couple weeks.
Yeah. Yeah. All right. We'll catch you guys later,
guys. Later. And to take you guys home is Mr.
Joe Martin. He's going to be playing Empty Passenger
Seat. I know that we seem to be playing a lot
of Joe Martin, but it's because he's probably
one of the better value for value artists. He's
always putting out good stuff. This one's up
there on my favorites. So, yeah, I hope you guys
enjoy it. And make sure to go to Wavelake and
boost the song there. Oh, hey, that was my phone.
I don't have a split kit set up with my host.
We're working on it. Don't boost us for the song.
Boost him. If you do boost us, I'm just going
to boost it off to him. I also send in a boost
to whatever artist we use the music from. I send
them, you know, a thousand sats or so just to
make sure that they're getting paid for their
work. So again, please just go over, head on
over to Wave Lake and send a little couple sats
on over to Mr. Joe Martin if you think it's worth
it. Big senior lights are shining down on me,
different ones than yesterday. And although they
don't spell my name, I know that they will someday.
Drinking all the backstage beer, trying to drown
out your tears. Man, it's been a long time since
I've been home. God, it feels like years. Mm,
forgive me. I got sold to rock and roll delusion
Now it's taking its toll It's catching up with
me Got my foot to the floor Going nowhere fast
Don't see how I can make this last Was convinced
That my life would be complete Beside an empty
passenger seat Passengers say Another service
stop Or another train to hop Got sold a rock
and roll delusion. Now it's taking its toll.
And it's catching up with me. Got my phone.