Is this thing on? Oh, look at that, it's on.
Hey, it's Alex. Sorry we are coming at you guys
late with this episode. We had to postpone recording
to Thursday, which then left me Friday to edit,
but I ended up being busy Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
and Monday, and then I worked today until almost
8. So I'm way behind on recording this. But this
episode is technically dated for last Thursday.
Yeah, and we'll talk about it later in the episode,
but up until after Leatherwood, we're going to
cut down to just doing one episode a week. So
you're getting one one -hour episode that has
weekend recaps, or wraps, I'm sorry, I forgot
we actually named it, that has wraps in it, and
it's got a little bit of other content. So it's
a good one. It was fun to record. I mean, it's
always fun when I get to sit and talk to my buds.
I hope you guys enjoy it, and we will catch you
guys on hopefully Thursday, possibly Tuesday.
We'll see what happens. All right. Out. Welcome
to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk about
everything from gear reviews to trail stories,
tent camping to rock landing, and all things
to do with the outdoors. We're going to kind
of change things up a little bit. Just until
probably after Leatherwood, then we'll get back
to our normal schedule. But we're going to go
down to one hour -long episode a week. So we'll
do our wrap and topic all in one episode for
a couple of weeks. Just... Lots of work getting
ready for Leatherwood and making sure everything
gets done. And we just kind of need that little
bit of break there. Gavin and Mark are here.
Gavin, what are you drinking today? Oh, I'm so
glad you asked. I've saved it. I've saved it
just for this occasion. We've been talking about
me trying the Brapple, the Bush Apple. So? I'm
going to give this a try. First time I've ever
had bush apple. Hold up. I also have a bush apple.
I got an apple drink, ironically, but it's not
bush apple. Got a star -cut ciders. Well, yeah.
I can't say that. I love it. It's drinkable.
It is drinkable. Like I was telling you, dude,
they're not as good as everyone makes them out
to be. They're really not. I think it's just
one of those TikTok fads. I mean, it's not bad.
I taste the apple. Of course you do. It's like
all of it is apple. It's like they took a red
cider and a bush light. And mixed it 75 % reds
and 25 % bush light. I don't have sensitive taste
buds because I wouldn't say that I taste it that
much. I mean, I taste it. It's there, but it's
just the beer aftertaste, man. It's not my thing.
I don't have the beer aftertaste. I like the
reds cider. Like, I'll drink those all the time,
but I just. It's the beer taste. I just don't
like it. But you know what? I'll give this a
solid out of 10. Like Budweiser. Four. Like Budweiser
being a one. Actually, I think Corona to me tastes
the worst. Corona is only good in very specific
situations. And that's like... Like on your deathbed
and you need something to drink to survive. When
I'm at the beach and I have a lime, Corona is
good. To me, adding the lime does nothing. Of
course, you know how they put one lime wedge
in there? No, my Corona has like seven. I was
going to say, adding a lime to a Corona is like
drinking any kind of seltzer water. It's like,
oh, look. They'd spit fruit at it, and that's
about all you taste of it. If I've also got a
margarita, I like to put Corona in margarita.
I could see that. I could see that. Corona has
its place. It's just not a great beer. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I'd give this probably a five.
It's in the middle. It's not bad. It's not great.
I'll take a Blue Moon definitely over this. I
like Blue Moon. As far as beer goes, I like Blue
Moon. Blue Moon's really good. I can definitely
taste the orange. I'll take that over this. I
like Blue Moon with an orange peel. Oh, yeah,
yeah. I'll take just about any other hard cider
over all that, though. I'm just much more into
that. IPAs and stuff like that, I just can't
get them. They taste... The hoppiness, maybe
it's, I guess... That's what it is? I can't say
much because I love IPAs, especially if they're
hazy, which a hazy IPA is going to have more
of that hoppy flavor, and oh, that's my thing,
dude. I think the hoppy is what gets me out of
it. I don't like the hoppy. I'm very much like
a fruity drink guy. No shame to me. I'll drink
a sangria, a margarita. I will say this. I like
Moscow mules. And what is that? Bloody Mary's.
I'll drink Bloody Mary's, spicy Bloody Mary's.
I like Bloody Mary's. Beer or like Coke, Jacket
Coke. I'll drink that. Like I don't drink straight
whiskey anymore. That was like in my early late
teens, late teens. There's some bourbons that
are really good just straight. But it's a sipping
situation. You're not chugging that shit. No,
you're not chugging it. And it's got to be ice
cold, too. Like, for me, I can't drink any bourbon
or whiskey that isn't ice cold straight. Ugh,
no. Most alcohol has to be cold. I think the
only one I could probably drink warmer is a Bloody
Mary. Yeah. Or a pickle shot. I don't know if
you've ever had one of those. With tequila? Yeah,
it's like pickle juice and tequila. I was about
to say, I can do a tequila warm. I still feel
cold, though. When I lived in Arizona, we used
to put tequila in the pickle juice so the girls
would take their tequila and then do a chaser
of pickle juice. Well, they were just doubling
up on tequila because the pickle juice was...
I like jello shots. We'd be going shot for shot,
and none of the girls could keep up, and it's
because they were chasing it with that alcoholic
pickle juice. I've had jello shot twice, and
it was the 5th of July, and I was snorkeling
in the river a few years ago, and I shit you
not, literally just floating down the river was
capped jello shots, and I just picked them out
of the water because I'm like, well, someone's
littering. And I was like, well, it's a jello
shot. So I fucking took the jello shot. There
was a red one and an orange one. I was like,
damn, these are great. And then probably 20 minutes
later, there was like a bush light that floated
down unopened. And I drank that. And then, I
mean, the river keeps them cold. They do. So,
I mean, Mark, are you at home? Yes, I'm at home.
What the heck? oh it's thursday weekend holiday
oh my god it's thursday i'm like it's holiday
i'm like mark is never home on a thursday or
on a wednesday but we're recording on thursday
no we didn't do wednesday because all of us were
not feeling well i think gavin all of you i said
gavin was roaring and ready to go but i had like
yeah it was i had a migraine the kid was being
fucking obnoxious i had a headache yesterday
Yesterday was like my perfect storm. They had
a birthday party to go to or a graduation. Nobody
was home, so it was nice and quiet. I got some
stuff done on the truck, so I was like, I had
a good day. I was ready to go, and damn. But
that's okay. It's still a good day. You got some
stuff done on the truck. I guess we can start
getting into rap. Honestly, rap can take the
whole hour because we had a... It's worth just
bullshit. We haven't had a good bullshit episode
in so long. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I'll start, I guess.
My weekend wasn't super productive until Sunday,
but Friday my son got his surgery, tubes put
in his ears. So that was fun watching him all
drugged up before the surgery, after the surgery.
He was cranky as hell. And then Saturday he puked
pretty much all morning from the after effects
of the anesthesia. Yeah. Sienna left late Friday
and went to a bachelorette party in Chicago.
So it was just me and the boy. So I decided we
were going to go out and do some trails and then
go to the park. And so we did that. Sienna got
home late Saturday night. And Sunday. I decided,
well, she had something to do real quick. I think
it was a graduation party. I was like, ah, I'm
going to stay home. I got some stuff to do. So
I've had a pile of pod lights that have been
sitting forever, and I decided, well, you know
what, I'm going to put a couple of them on. So
I put two of my yellows facing forward, and they
kind of swivel around on the princie rack for
area lighting too. Did that. That was really
nice and fun. Yeah, we had a good time. Pretty
easy. She helped me. Well, yeah, and then. Oh,
you're not even to that one yet. No, no. And
then what day was that? Wednesday. Yeah, it was
yesterday. Then, you know, yesterday I had the
day off, and it was pretty quiet and rainy, and
I wanted to fix. My heat shield was hanging on
to my exhaust, and that was rattling all over
the place every time I did anything with the
truck on. So I wanted to rip that out. Alex had
a dry bay for a little while, so I went over
there and went to go fix the heat shield, but
it was only hanging on by one bolt and just barely,
so I just ended up ripping it out. That took
two minutes, if that. Yeah, Gavin's like, I need
some bolts and some washers. And I'm like, or
you just rip it out. You're like, oh, it came
out. Yeah. It was like a loose tooth, man. It
was like I gave it one tug, and the whole thing
just popped off. I'm like, all right, well, that
made it real easy. Bye -bye. Yep. So I ripped
that out, threw it away, and then me and Alex
kind of talked about the lights I wanted to do.
I had a light bar that I wanted to put on, and
we went to test it, and as soon as we went to
test it, hook it up to a battery. It fried my
fucking light bar. Like, completely fried it.
We were like, oh, maybe it was the battery, so
we tried it on the tractor battery. Then we tried
it on my truck battery and nothing. Yeah. So
I fried it, like, right there off of one of those
Bauer batteries, and I was like, damn, that sucks.
Not a big deal. I got it for free with the winch
mount, so. So I have really bad news. I just
spilled Brapple all over my fucking desk. Oh,
no. Alex. right on my volume control for my speakers
oh no perfect oh man give another excuse why
not to work half the time yeah at least it's
not on my keyboard this time because i spilled
some on my keyboard and broke a bunch of switches
and had to move them around yeah which key do
i not use at all again yeah yeah See, at least
it's a, at least it's a met keyboard with hot
swap. So I could just pull out the switches that
were broken and move them. Right. So like my
entire F row is sticky now because there's beer
stuck in those switches. Well, that's all right.
But, oh yeah. And yeah. So after we fried the
light bar, toss that in the trash, like I said,
not a big deal. You know, I wanted it to work.
It didn't. it was free so we didn't really lose
much we just said uh we decided to work on those
i had two more pods for the back for area lighting
and chase light so alex uh helped me with that
um and as i was running the wire up and he was
trying to uh um oh no yeah i tried to hit the
wiring we tried testing and it didn't work we
didn't know why so we're trying to figure that
out and um Alex gets up there. I said, well,
maybe my splice didn't make it deep enough into
the other ground wire. So he goes to cut the
ground wire. I make the comment, I really don't
like this wire they use. It's got a weird plastic
core. And I'm like, what? That's weird. I said,
it's not my antenna wire, right? And he just
freezes. And I'm like, I do have an antenna wire
running down there for my WeBoost. $600. We boost.
And, uh, and he just freezes and he's staring
at me. He goes, I cut the one that you said to
cut. And I'm like, Oh God, what have we done?
Like I got the one that you had crimped. Yeah.
Yeah. So we're sitting here freaking out and
I'm like, yeah, I can't be, it can't be this.
This one's the bigger one. And we're like, which
fucking wire is this? And he goes, did you ever
take that other antenna off? And I'm like, yeah,
I ripped off the one, but the cable, Oh. So I
ripped off the one antenna that came with the
Midland originally, the little tiny one. Yeah,
the little alien antenna, as I called it. The
dinky. The dinky boy. I ripped the end off of
it, the magnetic end. Yeah. But the wire was
still taped into all the rest. So I didn't pull
it out. I was like, I'll do it later. Well, that
ended up being the wire we cut. Oh, good. To
try to splice in. And we thought it was the ground
for a second. That was on me. But he cut it,
and he was just like, that's weird, but whatever.
So we ended up cutting an antenna wire. It just
wasn't my WeBoost antenna wire thing. Yeah, thank
God. God. That would have been just a monumental
screw -up. Yeah, the little Ricci of this antenna,
whatever you want to call the brand, is $99.
It wouldn't be a big issue. It would just be
inconvenience, but the WeBoost is, oh, no. Yeah,
that's big. I mean. I mean, granted, I could
probably buy a new line and it'd be fine, but
still, it would be very, very inconvenient. But,
no, we got lucky. So then we snipped that. We
actually grounded to the right wire, and we tested
them out. They worked. They were nice and bright.
We tilted them out of the way a little bit so
they weren't blinding whoever was chasing. Yeah,
that was pretty much it. It looks pretty clean
back there. I don't love your roof rack doesn't
have like a rear bar that hides anything back
there. It just shows the top of the truck. Yeah,
yeah. That looks a little unfinished. I wish
they had done something to finish that up. But
other than that, man, like your wiring's clean.
Everything just looks clean. Yeah. So that was
good. And then. I don't know if anybody's been
keeping up with this. I guess this is my last
part of rap since it happened today slash yesterday.
Freedom Outfitters or Freedom Retrofits, they're
actually going out of business. Last day of business
is Friday. They've been pretty well known for
making those custom projector, buy LED headlights
for lots of money. They made a post about that,
and then they mentioned that they had a couple
of... headlights they were trying to get rid
of i sent them an email and uh they had some
nice expensive toyota fj headlights um that are
typically like 750 and then when you add the
bi -leds they're probably i think they're more
and um so i sent them an email and they said
yeah we have some that have like a scratch on
the lens um Yeah, we'll sell them to you for
$200. And I'm like, oh, fuck, yeah, yeah. I mean,
I was looking for headlights anyway. I was like,
sold. They're like, but we have to have your
payment by Friday. Or, you know, before Friday,
Thursday. And I said, well, I don't get paid
until Friday, so that sucks, you know. They're
like, well, we'll work with you. So they actually,
I gave them my information. They already created
a label and shipped the headlights out for me.
And I haven't even paid them yet. So good on
them. That's pretty damn cool of them. Of course,
I'm going to do the right thing and pay them
for seeing tomorrow. But it was really cool.
And I cannot wait to get them. It's the blinker
and the headlight, and they come with the bulbs.
So it should be the whole setup. So for that
price, it was a steal of a deal. I couldn't pass
up. And super excited. Those have been on my...
my wish list for a long time. You know, they're
not exactly what I was looking for, but for the
price, I cannot complain at all. No, you can't
complain. No, those, those lights are cheaper
for those. Um, then you can get cheap Chinese,
uh, headlights off of Amazon. Yeah. And these
guys are out of Wisconsin and they make all these.
So yeah, super excited. And that wraps up my
wrap. What about you guys? Who's going next?
Well, me and Alex are all lumped together this
weekend, so. Oh, man. Yeah. This weekend, we
did a camping work weekend. I would say the worst
one we've had yet. And I would say camping very
loosely. So we were helping Duncan lift his truck.
The goal is to get the whole truck lifted this
weekend. And instead, we got the front done after
staying up two nights in a row all the way through.
What? I think I slept for an hour Saturday night,
something like that. Yeah. But very, very little
sleep. It was terrible. So the goal was he bought
that crawler to get parts off of, but he didn't
want to use the long travel because he was kind
of sketched out by the work the guy had done.
We took his truck apart. We tried to put the
shocks and springs from the crawler on his truck
without long travel, and it just bound up. It
lifted his truck, what would you say, like five
or six inches? Five or six inches, and then it
was like fully turned out. There was no compression
to the spring. It could have gone more. Yeah,
it was turned all the way down, and it was probably
five or six inches, and this thing. had no flex
whatsoever the um everything was bound up you
couldn't turn anything like it was bad so we
pivoted earlier in the day because i told him
i wasn't sure those were going to work but i
found some icon front shocks for a third gen
for 800 bucks on marketplace and we pivoted and
he ran down there in my truck and grabbed it
um which Not a lot of other people drive my truck,
and I think of my truck as like a piece of shit
that I have to deal with. And the whole way down,
Duncan was texting me telling me how much he
loved driving my truck. So that made me feel
a lot better about it. And then the guy that
he bought them from also had a third gen, and
he was like fangirling over my truck. So, yeah.
Maybe my truck's not as much of a piece of shit
as I think it is. Yeah, he went and got those,
and once we had those shocks, it was nothing.
But we spent a good five or six hours getting
the factory shocks off this truck because all
the bolts were rotted out to, like, pinpricks,
and we couldn't grab the back one worth of shit.
What we ended up doing was taking a Dremel and
just slowly sanding the top of the head of this
bolt off until it broke. Yeah. Terrible experience.
I'm pretty sure everything was still stock parts,
which actually was a little surprising. And I
tried cutting it with a grinder at some point
and accidentally sliced through his AC line.
So now he doesn't have AC. Oh, dude, I feel so
bad about that. Yeah. But it's off. It's done.
The front is lifted. The back is still stock,
so he's driving around looking like a douche
always. Carolina squatted. Yeah. But this weekend,
we'll get the back done. The back should go way
faster. Oh, 100 % way faster. There's not as
much to go wrong. We're replacing all control
arms. We're replacing shocks. I mean, everything's
getting... We're swapping the axles, so we'll
just drop the axle out and roll the new one under.
He also needs to change his diff, front diff.
So that has to be done. But it doesn't matter.
The truck is looking much better, and it's getting
somewhere. After like 72 hours of straight work,
it was terrible. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, I didn't
even work on my own truck at all when I was up
that late. Like, what the hell, guys? Yeah. Yeah,
usually it's the other way around. Usually it's
everybody working on your truck. Did you see
that meme that I sent to the meme group chat?
No, not yet. Oh, the labor, free labor? Oh, yeah,
I did actually. Telling your friend about a mod
that you want to do to your truck and slowly
transitioning to Wii for six hours of free labor.
Yeah. And then I'm like. Oh. He's coughing. I'll
give him a second. Cough, cough, he says. Sorry,
I had to die. And then I was like, now the pro
tip is to start saying we and then slowly just
start using his bay so that you're stuck using
his space too. Yeah. I've seen another one where
it's like, yeah, I provided beer and food and
got free labor out of it. Yeah, that's pretty
typical. So you got that done. Anything else
exciting for you, Alex? I mean, I know you've
had something coming up here that you're super
excited about. Oh, yeah, my swag came. No big
deal. I haven't been freaking out about it all
day or anything. Totally fangirling all Wednesday.
Dude, the thing is so fucking cool. He's been
fangirling for a while. Yeah. I mean, it took
it three weeks to get here. I made two payments
on the damn thing, and I just got it. Yeah, that's
rough. But, I mean, that's what I get for having
something shipped from Australia, I guess. True.
It is heavy, which I knew it was going to be
heavy. Kind of the downside to having basically
a rooftop tent that you take off your roof at
the campsite. It's going to be heavy. 100 % heavy.
It's big. Folded up, it's big. The fact that
I can just take it off the roof of my truck,
roll it out, slap in three poles, and boom, my
entire campsite is set up. Yep. I mean, no moving
bedding, nothing. Just... It's all in there.
Poles, it's done. Are you just using sleeping
bags? Like, what are you using for your pad?
Do you have an inflatable mattress that you have
rolled up there, too, or what? No, it's just
the... Oh, no, it comes with a mattress. It's
got a 70 -mil mattress in there. Oh, I didn't
know that. Yeah, that's why it's... I forgot
about that. That's why it's so big is because
it's got a 70 mil mattress. Big and price -wise,
too. Yep. So it's got a 70 mil high -density
foam mattress, and then I've got two queen -size
sheets on it. I can't do fitted sheets because
the mattress is, like, this weird not -perfectly
-square shape. Yeah. So I've just got, you know,
a bottom sheet tucked underneath real well. I
might slap some duct tape on the bottom to hold
that sheet in place. I haven't decided yet. And
then I've got another sheet just on top, like
a top sheet. And then I bought two green wool
blankets like what we used in the Army. And then
I got some pillows in there. It's very comfy
in there. It's exciting. What's cool is because
it's that thick canvas, when you have that thing
outside and you close it up, I mean, it's darker
than most blackout tents. Oh, right, right. Like,
it is very dark. But if I open it up all the
way, so it's got two windows on the roof. They
call them stargaze windows. Those have bug netting.
And then it's got the two big door panels with
bug netting. And then it's also got two windows
on either side. So when I open this thing up,
I mean, it's basically just a bug net. Like,
it's got so much airflow, it's not even funny.
Right, yeah. But then... On the flip side, you
can close it all up. Like, we had it out today,
and, I mean, it's pretty windy. It's kind of
chilly, not too bad. Pretty windy. So we had
it out today. Me, Caitlin, and Jackson got in
it. There's so much room with the three of us
in there. Like, we could all sleep in there comfortably
pretty easily. And we zipped up all the doors
and everything, and within, like, three minutes,
I'm like, all right, we got to get out of here.
It's hot in here. Yeah. Like it? Yeah, that's
kind of. typical that darker fabric in the sun
it just retains heat really well too because
it's that thick canvas yeah no i i mean it was
pricey i paid almost 600 bucks for it which i
could have got like a shitty wedge style tan
off timu for that but yeah the the fact that
i can take this off the roof and set it up and
have like a base camp style that's what makes
it worth it to me Because I don't like the idea
of wheeling with my house on top of my truck.
You know, I've always thought about how easy
it is to take on and take off rooftop tents,
like certain, like, wedge styles. Oh, they're
not easy. Well, like, they're, like, weight -wise.
Oh, yeah. I'm just saying, like, if you really
wanted to, you could figure out a way. Just,
like, undo the bolt. Like, not bolts, but, like,
if you could, like, figure out latches. You know,
park under a tree, fucking have it hanging out
of the tree there, just drop it right on the
ground. At that point, why wouldn't you just
buy a swag? Yeah. Because they're completely
hard -cased and it has all the nice, fun properties
of a rooftop tent. I don't know. I'm just thinking
about it. If you're taking it off. The swag has
90 % of the properties of a rooftop tent. Yeah,
it's just not mounted. Comes with a mattress.
Yep, mattress included. I was just thinking out
loud. I wasn't like telling you it was a better
idea. I'm just discussing through it. All your
bedding goes in it, which is the big thing for
me with a rooftop tent is the fact that all your
bedding can just be in it. So at the end of the
day, I think the swag is that in between, between
a standard tent and a rooftop tent. Yep. Yeah,
I'm just thinking, like, it'd be really nice
to have a way, like, if there was, like, on the
top of your wedge, if you had, like, let's say
roof rack brackets on the top of your wedge,
if you could just hook it up, like, with an eyelet.
Or just put it on a trailer. Well, yeah, a trailer
would be fucking great, but I'm thinking of,
like, your case. Yeah. But I don't know. I was
just thinking about it. It'd be cool to be able
to find a way, because, I mean... Them on the
ground is just like a rooftop tent on the ground
would be pretty cool too, but I know it defeats
the whole purpose. You should probably get the
one that's hitch -mounted then. Oh, yeah. Did
you see that tent I sent a while ago? Uh -uh.
It was like it folded up to the back of the truck
and was mounted to the hitch, and you fold it
down, swing it over, and then it's like a rooftop
tent on the ground. Bananas. That's interesting.
I saw so many chances for stuff to get broken,
dude. Like, it was terrible. Yeah, the more moving
parts, the worse. Yeah. Speaking of rooftop tents,
do you guys see a post on overlanding for the
poors today? Is it another one that blew off
someone's truck? Yeah. The finder's keepers on
the highway? Yeah, finder's keepers. Oh, man.
There was that one. There was, like, three or
four. Like, they're just blowing off people's
trucks left, right, and center right now. I know,
they're not doing it on my highways, that's for
sure. I've probably seen four or five tents get
blown off people's trucks on Facebook lately.
Yeah, it's probably a cheap mounting solution,
and they didn't want to spend the money for a
good solution. Yeah, that's the thing, is when
you go cheap on that, it's what you get, man.
You spend that much money, and then you just,
like, throw a bracket on there. I think I'm good
with just ratchet strapping my swag to my roof.
Yeah. Yep. I do need to, having done this, I
see the need for like a Princey style rack now.
So me and Duncan have plans and we got a guy
who's going to see about printing some. I'm going
to see if my cousin will print some because I
can probably get them cheaper through him just
because we trade labor all the time. Yeah. So.
That would be very, very cool. I need skid plates.
I could probably talk to him. You just got to
find me a file for it. Yeah, they're all over
Etsy. Is it Etsy? Yeah. But I, yeah, definitely
a real roof rack needs to happen because tying
down my swag on my current roof rack is not pleasant.
No. Trying to think, do you have any like eyelets
or anything to tie from? Not really. Like kind
of. Not good ones. I have to wrap it around the
roof rack bar and then send it across and wrap
it around the other side and then pull it tight.
Oh. Yeah, they make eyelets that go right into
the channels for the print to, but I was like,
I don't need those. I really don't. I'll need
them just because of the swag, but anything else
I put up there, I won't need them. They do have
removable awning brackets too, which I will buy
if I do end up getting like a 270 batwing. I've
been thinking a lot about awnings. I would be
interested in doing, like, what's the one that's
just on the side of your truck? Is that a 180?
No. It just covers one side? What's the one that
just covers one side? Well, maybe it is 180 then,
I guess, considered. But, I mean, it's kind of
a pooper, so it's not like an awning. See, I
want a full -size one that goes all the way the
length of my truck and then swings out front
and back. So I'd be interested in doing one of
those, but it has to be on folding brackets that'll
fold up on top of the roof rack. Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah. I don't want anything hanging off the truck.
I think a regular 270 is what you're looking
for, because they make 270s and then the 270
XL that wraps around to the back. And I think
that's what you're referencing. Okay, I'm going
to start with a 180 and see what that looks like.
No, a 180 is just... 180 is exactly what I'm
talking about. It comes off the side of the truck,
and then it's got a triangle on front and back.
Oh, the really small octagon ones or hexagon
ones? Because I can't have it wrap around my
truck because I've got my freaking - Wrap around?
I've got my - I know what you're talking about
now. Yeah. Yeah, I was spacing out on that. I
saw a link. Mark, did you get your laptop charging?
Yes, it did. Okay, good. The outlet that I plugged
into is a very loose outlet, so it doesn't stay
plugged in. Oh, yeah. I'd be interested in a
180 that I could then fold up onto my roof rack
so that it's not hanging off the side of my truck.
Oh, yeah, that is the one I'm thinking of. Yeah.
They have one for $200. I think it's $200. Yeah,
they're not expensive. There's one on Facebook
Marketplace right now for... On sale. So I'd
be interested in something like that just for
shade. I'm not worried about rain or anything.
Just being able to pop it out for shade would
be nice. Once rain starts, then I want an extra
awning. I don't want one attached to my truck.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Oh, I was just going
to say, they have one in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
It's the Overland Vehicle Systems one. For $500.
It's the one that does wraparound, though. I
want it. I can't do a wraparound because I've
got a hatch. That same one you tagged me in,
they have for $480 in Glencoe, Illinois. At that
point, you might as well just pay the full price.
As soon as you started saying Glenn, I thought
you were going to say Glendale, and I'm like,
dude, I'm not driving to Arizona for this shit.
No, no. No, I've been looking for these awnings,
but trying to find crazy deals on them. I'm not
going to spend any $100 on an awning right now.
I could definitely use that on more important
things. But if I find one for $200, like I did
with those headlights, like, yeah, I'll jump
on it. Yeah, I just, to me, awnings are very
much so not an important thing, but I wouldn't
mind trying one. That's kind of where I'm at
with it. Yeah, to me, they're like, it's like
creature comfort. And this sounds stupid, so
everybody can laugh. It's fine. But, like, when
we go to Riggs and Coffee. the worst thing about
rigs and coffee is there's no shade it's just
parking lot 100 that's like the that's why i
want one specifically as rigs and coffee yep
because i would i would hang out a lot more and
i would enjoy hanging out a lot more um you know
with all our friends and stuff talking and chatting
if we weren't subjected to a 90 degree weather
under direct sun even good so i just sent one
that's just straight out it doesn't have any
triangles even that i'd be okay with that's what
i thought you were talking about when you said
180 like just the one side is what i was thinking
like i i'd be okay with that like i said it's
not for water or anything it's literally just
so that i can get some shade at like rigs and
coffee yeah yeah i'd definitely be down for that
i just i don't set up for shade wise that setup
is much better than having to lug off the one
off the top of your roof because like i i liked
having that I had that 10 by 10 all last year.
And it was nice when we absolutely needed it,
but it was a fucking pain to unstrap off of my
roof, to pull off of the top of my roof, and
then to set up by myself. It was just, I mean,
like I can. Yeah. But when you stretch those
out, especially those cheaper ones, they feel
like they're going to break every time you try
to pull them out in any kind of dirt. Mark's
12x12 pop -up one is pretty sick. Yeah. Even
if it tried to run away. I was about to say,
we had quite an experience with that. Yeah. The
wind tried to pick it up and take it away from
us. We left it unsupervised and decided to try
to run away. I've got some better tent stakes
on the way for it, so that should help. Yeah.
Are you guys using, like, the auger style, or
were they just regular tent stakes? Just regular
tent stakes. Oh, God, yeah, you're asking for
it. In Michigan, you almost have to have those
sand stakes. I bought a bunch of aluminum sand
stakes just because of our Lake Superior trip
when we went and camped on the beach, and we
had wind gusts and, like, constant wind of 50
and 65 mile an hour on that beach. I'd say most
of Michigan, you need, like, the... like, almost
a bolt that you just use an impact to drive in.
Yeah. Because most of Michigan is either thick
clay or rocks. Like, you've got the beaches,
but most of it's rock or thick clay. I guess
when you get into, like, northern Michigan, like,
not the UP, but, like, there's a lot more sand.
Like, Fife Lake area where I was camping, there's
a lot more, like, beach sand, but a lot of the
times where... That's more of a beach, though.
That's what, well... It's not on the beach, though.
Like, Gaylord's area is 50 -50, like, loose sand
or thick clay. Pigeon River area is all thick
clay. Yeah. But we have, I bought off of Amazon
12 aluminum, they're like 12 -inch aluminum stakes,
and they were great for sand. And that's what
I ended up buying after that trip on Superior,
because... I was borrowing sand stakes from Derek,
from I think a couple from Nolan, a couple from
our other buddy that was sitting next to us.
And then I had the tent strapped to my truck
through the eyelets on it because the wind was
so bad. It was crazy. It was just sandblasting
us the last day. We had dunes forming on the
side of our tent. Yeah, I... Really, our light
fighters, they only kind of need staked down.
The cot kind of holds them down. Yep. But...
Yeah, and you do have that wind pass through
on the bottom, which kind of helps, too. Oh,
yeah, it does help. When I had it, and when you
have it just on the ground, you just need the
four corner stakes, and because they're so dome
-shaped and so low to the ground, it just kind
of glances the wind over it. Yep. But... Yeah,
when I was... When we were in there, we were
using that big, like, six -person blue dome tent,
like we used on the botches yearly. Yep. And
as nice as that is, it was still only, like,
$150. So still pretty cheap, and it started folding
pretty quick under those wind gusts. So... I'll
be interested to see how the swag does in the
wind. I've watched one guy. He was in a full
-on thunderstorm with, like, 100 -mile -an -hour
gusts in a swag, and he stayed dry for the most
part, but he had the zipper in the wrong spot,
so it started to drip from his zipper. Oh, no.
Like, you could see the walls shake, but it was
just staying solid, so. Yeah. Yeah. From the
looks of things, it's going to be pretty solid.
I was about to say, our light fire held up for
the first night we went, and it was windy. Yeah,
we were having gusts up to like 50, 55. No, 50
sustaining, gusts up to 70. That's what it was.
Yeah, those were crazy. Those last couple weeks
of Michigan have been pretty crazy. Oh, it has.
Wind, storms, just been wreaking havoc. More
tornadoes in like forever. Yeah, 10 tornadoes
in one night. Yeah, me and Alex did some storm
watching here a couple weeks ago, and we were
out in the middle of this field, and then on
my drive home, porta -potties in the middle of
the road, trees in the middle of the road. It
was cool. I went and showed my boss. He's like,
why were you driving in a storm? And I'm like,
listen, I don't get drama. And weather drama
is my kind of drama. I had all sorts of drama.
I had fans getting blown to pieces on barns,
and my power was going out. Like, dude. Usually
we're the first to lose power on the internet.
We never lost power or internet. Oh, we lose
power all the time. Usually, the farm doesn't
usually lose power. It's usually just our house.
Like, it's so weird. And the farm didn't lose
all power. It lost one face, which was enough
to cause major issues. Jeez. Yeah, we're in the
middle of the storm, and he goes, oh, shit, we
just lost power. yeah he's like all right i gotta
go turn this generator on and then he's gone
for five minutes getting the generator running
and i'm like i'm just sitting through the storm
my fucking truck shaking back and forth like
like damn it was like going on like those speed
wobbles on a in like a dirt trail our trucks
were shaking bad dude it was i thought for a
second i was about to take flight like it was
really going yeah we were we were halfway joking
that we were gonna like winch to each other just
uh and but i was kind of serious at the one point
because i was like dude i might have to go home
if it's gonna be like this down there our whole
house is covered in trees around there i was
like i told them i might have to go home i told
them don't be a bitch wait it out i did i waited
it out because i then i started thinking about
i'm like there's no way i could drive through
this there's no way like i would not be i could
i could but it'd be really slow Yeah, you wouldn't
be able to see. And then even then, what are
you going to do at home? A tree falls on your
house. What are you going to do about it until
the storm's over anyway? Well, I didn't know
Sienna had left yet. I was making sure. But I
texted her during our little shaky storm syndrome,
and she was like, yeah, we went to Grandma's
because Grandma's got a house made from cinder
block, basically. And then that door in our kitchen
just wouldn't stay shut. So I come up to the
house to help Caitlin shut that, and she's, like,
holding it shut in her pajamas, like, just praying
that the door stays shut. And I'm, like, watching
her be blown across the kitchen. It was nuts,
man. We should have got out, see if we could
have leaned into it a little bit. It was just
so rainy, though. Well, and when it got really
bad, I was watching debris from the field. I
had my window down as it got really bad, and
I was getting sand and fucking leaves and shit
flying into my window, hitting me in the face.
I'm like, all right, we're going to comms because
this is getting shitty. Yeah, it was quite the
storm, man. It was fun. Really, we always say
storm chase, and we go drive somewhere, right?
Really, my field's like the best spot to watch
a storm. Yeah. If we would have been, oh, man,
if we would have been 45 minutes earlier the
one time by my house, we could have actually
seen the tornado hit and touched down. We were
so close. That would have been sick. Because
it had touched down and went through our field
probably 45 minutes before we decided to leave
and go looking. Yeah, it would have been sick.
It was a bummer. Now nothing's happening. Now
we had, like, a couple days of, like, 90 -degree
weather. And then now we're back to like 45,
50 degree weather. What the fuck? Yeah, yesterday
was cold, man. Yeah. Cold and rainy. Today was
cold. I mean, today warmed up, but it was still
cold this morning. Oh, yeah, this morning was
cold. I'd say today was chilly. I can't say it
was cold, per se. Yeah, that's fair. Like, when
I was wearing my hoodie, I was too warm. But
if I took it off, I was too cold. And then if
I wore it and worked, I was really hot. But if
I took it off and worked, I was just barely comfortable.
Yeah. No, that's fair. That's how Michigan is
in general. You have to be ready for everything.
I have a rain jacket. I have a sweatshirt. I
have an umbrella. All in my truck just folded
up because you never know. You never know what
it's going to be. Yeah. Michigan's got to be
one of the most unpredictable states as far as
that goes, like just the cold to hot weather.
It's like, hey, here you go. Here's 30s and 40s
at night. Okay, here you go. It's 90s during
the day back to 30s and 40s at night. Like crazy.
You wake up, there's frost on the ground, and
then all of a sudden it's like 75, 80. You're
like, what the fuck? It makes farming turkeys
hell. Yeah, I'm sure the cold. That's like why
the cherries, the cherry business seems to be
doing like worse up in Travers because they keep
getting frost later in the springs. And it keeps
fucking the crops. And it's hard to, it's hard
to predict what's going to happen. So it's hard
to set levels where they need to be. Right. So
it just, yeah. Hey, you don't want to cook the
turkeys, but you don't want them to freeze either.
Yeah, they don't really like it when it gets
below, like, 50 degrees. No. They just lay down
and then quit eating and drinking. Yeah, they
go into, like, conservation mode. Yeah. Turkeys
are dumb. And then if it gets below, like, I'd
say 45, they just start piling on top of each
other to stay warm and crushing each other. Yeah,
I have bad experiences with that working at farm
and home. Or they get scared. Oh, when they get
scared, they do that shit too. Turkeys are so
dumb. Yeah, chickens, like, they get wet. They
start piling on top of each other. Yeah, it gets
nasty quick. Oh, you know what? I'm going to
change the subject real quick, and I'm going
to touch on this for... 30 seconds do it i have
a new favorite i have a new favorite upgrade
um at least until the next couple days until
maybe my headlights get in but new favorite upgrade
is the wolf box man that thing is fucking sick
yeah um i wish i could run one screw all of you
yeah dude it's uh it's been so nice um i used
to have to like not i don't know like only use
my side mirrors because my back mirror was so
full with like the gear now i don't even have
to worry about it i can record shit that's happening
while i'm driving and it takes just enough video
you don't have to do that phone mirror thing
anymore no no yeah it's good video um so i mean
And, you know, it tracked that whole night that
we were out storm chasing, and I could just look
at them in one -minute increments and front and
back give me video on both. You can upgrade it
where it's three minutes for record times. Yeah,
I thought about doing that, but it was better,
like, easier for me to save the ones because
usually the stuff that I want to record is only,
like, 10 seconds out of that one minute. I think
I had yours set to three minutes, right, Mark?
That was one when I first got it. Yeah. But,
yeah, that thing is great. Like, it's my favorite
upgrade right now. It saves me so much time.
The only thing I don't like about it is that
the rear camera, it just makes things look so
much closer than they really are. Yeah. Like,
I went backed up to the fence at work today,
and I had, like... three and a half feet before
i got even close to the fence so i'm like oops
yeah it takes i mean it takes some getting used
to because your point of view like right now
if you're to look through a normal mirror your
point of view is where you are in the truck right
but by using that camera you're moving it back
almost five feet yep so now you've got to adjust
for that five feet And then, of course, I don't
have it on the farthest point out from my truck
either. So I do have to make sure I give it like
a foot and a half too. So there have been times
where I back up and I'm like, I hit the fence
with my rear tire. I'm like, oops, or my spare
tire. But overall, though, it's great. I have
zero complaints with the Wolf Box so far. I think
it's pretty stellar. I guess the only thing that
I wish it did. was hooked up via Bluetooth instead
of Wi -Fi. Auto dim the brightness when it becomes
nighttime. That would be stellar. Yeah, that's
actually not a bad idea. But Bluetooth would
be my biggest thing. If it would just hook up
via Bluetooth and I didn't have to hook it up
to Wi -Fi. I never even did that. I just popped
the SD card out and went and put it in my computer.
It's so fast doing it that way. Well, I mean,
all I have to do is I get home, I sit in the
truck, and I just hook onto the Wi -Fi, do it.
So, I mean, it's not hard. It's just my car play
is like Wi -Fi versus 2, so I have to unhook
off of my car play and then hook onto that. So
that's like the only downside, but really isn't
much of one. So Kaylin ruined my day today, guys.
Yeah. I thought that we were leaving for Leatherwood
like this coming Thursday. No. No, we still have
another week. I know. She's like, yeah, it's
a week and six days. And I'm like, no, it's like
six days. And she's like, no, a week and six
days. And I'm like, fuck. Yeah, because you guys
aren't leaving until after Spring Shakedown.
And Spring Shakedown is the weekend after this
one. 30, 31, and 01. Are you going to go to that?
No. Oh, okay. To say it's only like an hour away.
It's hard for me to get that much time out of
work. Yeah, yeah, I get you. I'm going to go
to that. I'm really excited for it. Especially
since I don't have a farmhand. Meeting up with
all the buddies that I haven't seen all winter,
basically. I wouldn't mind just taking a week
into myself. Because I think we're going to get
at least a weekend to ourselves before Leatherwood
if things go smoothly this weekend. Yep. So.
Yeah. Oh, you're not even going to come see me
that weekend? I might stop by, but I don't want
to. I don't feel like working on a vehicle if
we don't need to for a weekend. Well, I was going
to say, Duncan, you guys are going to finish
that this weekend, right? Should, yeah. That's
the plan. Yeah. Like I said, nothing goes wrong.
We will have to work on your truck that weekend
because I'm ordering my tire carrier this weekend.
Yeah. It's not going to take us like three days.
No. That weekend, I'm thinking like button up
the final touches. I'm not doing major work that
weekend. No. I was going to say take a trail,
make sure everything doesn't rattle, make sure
everything's set. And he goes, eh. We'll take
that weekend to get the trailer packed and ready
to go. Speaking of the trailer, we're bringing
that to Riggs and Coffey, right? I mean, we could.
I'm going to miss out on that, too. As long as
we remember to grab my light fighter, because
Brian's going to use it. Okay. So we just got
to remember to grab that. If you see Derek and
he has a tent, can you take it back for me? Derek
has your tent? No. Well, so I was offered a tent
like last year, and I was like, yeah, sure. He
was pretty much just giving it to me. Not Derek,
but Sequoia. Joe? Joe? Joe, yeah, Joe. He had
an extra one, and I was like, yeah, sure. But
we haven't seen each other pretty much since
then. I haven't seen Joe in a while. Since his
birthday. I have no idea if he's still getting
it to me, but just in case if Derek has it, because
he might have passed it to Derek. If he so happens
to have it and he mentions it, just one of you
guys grab it for me. Which one is it? It's a
bigger one. I don't remember. I know it's a bigger
one. I don't think Joe's been to Riggs and Coffee
yet. I don't think so. But, man, I'm bummed I'm
missing this one out. Oh, yeah, because you've
got to wait. Yeah, I was trying to figure out
a way to get Sunday off, but it's not going to
happen. But we do close early on Memorial Day,
so Monday. So that's nice. That's a 10 to 4 day.
So nice, easy half day, basically. Yeah, we got
to. I don't think that the rear end of Duncan's
truck will take us that long. So we should be
able to knock that out in like a day. And then
after that, you just got to do that front diff,
which shouldn't be too hard. Just undo what we
did last weekend and then pull it apart. Go from
there. Oh, we got to take apart the whole front
end? No, we just have to take the upper ball
joint off. Remember how I dropped him down to
get the CV axle out? Yeah. We have to do that
because we have to pull the CV axles. Yeah. Okay.
That's it. Okay, not as bad, but still a little
annoying. It is. Yeah. Rear axle is 529s, so
he's got to swap the front axle so they match.
Yeah. Okay, I see where you're getting at. Sounds
like fun. No. I might stop over. No, I won't.
I was going to say, I need to change my diff
fluid out, but. Oh, hey, we need to do that too.
Yeah, but I was like, we probably should do ours
too. Probably should do our transfer cases. What
are you doing Wednesday? Wednesday? I'm overdue.
I don't know. This next week. See you the other
day off I have. This next week I'm going to be
pretty freaking busy just getting ready to leave.
Yeah. Well, and that's what, so Wednesday. I'm
going to have all our stuff packed and ready
because Thursday night after I get home from
work, I'm fucking leaving. I'm done. I need to
get out and camp. I'm over it. I think the Thursday
of Leatherwood, I want to try and leave at like
1 .30, 2 o 'clock in the morning. That way we
miss as much traffic as possible on the way down.
Oh, dude, it's so much better when you leave
early in the morning like that. Is Duncan down
for that? I'll call him when we get done recording.
Okay. I tried calling them earlier. It just works
so much better. What else? What else do we have?
We have Leatherwood coming up. We have the Spring
Shakedown. I'm going to that. We don't have anything
else for a while. Yeah. I mean, we got July.
We're doing our buddy's bachelor party. Oh, true.
In Drummond Island. Yeah. I think in June I have.
I think they have, like, a trip that I'm going
to go on in June. Yeah, we're pretty much taking,
I mean, not that we're taking a break from MST,
but we're not doing as many MST trips because
we're getting ready for Moab next year. Yeah,
we got to save up money to upgrade to 35, so.
We got to do the, and then save up money for
the trip. That too. Yeah, Spring Kids Camping,
the next. So, I heard it, yeah, Spring Shakedown
and then Spring Kids Camping, June 20th, so I'll
be going to that too. When's, isn't there a Fall
Kids Camping? Yeah, that's late. Let's see. I
have it pulled up. I'm going to try to do the
Labor Day in Paradise, too, because I really
liked that last year. Fall Kids Camping is September
12th. I'm trying to decide if I want to do Labor
Day weekend or not. That was beautiful. That
was gorgeous. If it's anything like that again,
hands down, I'm doing it again. I'll probably
have four days that weekend. I just don't know
if I'll... Money -wise, it's wise to do it because
I'm trying to save up for stuff. And we're going
to do botches yearly in September. Yeah, we got
that too. That'll just be a four -day. Where
are we going? A Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
I hate to say we're going to the same place,
but I wouldn't mind going back to Cadillac area.
I wouldn't mind it either. Cadillac area is great.
After spending a lot of the fall in the Cadillac
area, there are so many other really cool camping
spots that we could go to. There was a little
water crossing. It's nothing crazy, but it was
fun. I mean, there's so much there. There's so
many trails. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too.
We could spend all fucking day on them. I like
doing that all day. I'm thinking we do that and
just do Cadillac area for that trip. Yeah. Even
if we made that like our kind of standard botches
yearly trip location is Cadillac. I wouldn't
mind that. If I could find, if that place at
Fife Lake is open where I used to camp at, I'll
see if we could do that because it's easy to
get to, but it's far enough out of the way. It
is beautiful. It's right on the river. I know
2026, our botch is yearly is Moab. Yeah. Because
that'll eat up funds pretty fucking fast. Yeah.
And then 2028, our botch is yearly is Rubicon.
Mm -hmm. I wish you guys luck. You're not even
going to do Rubicon with us? I can't do either.
I know you have some weird hatred for deserts,
but why wouldn't you want to do Rubicon? I think
Moab's just not my, it's just not going to be
my cup of tea. I don't see why it wouldn't be.
All overland. You're telling me for Rubicon we
need to build my truck out, so does Gavin need
to build out for Rubicon? I mean, yeah, he should.
Well, if we do Moab, I'm assuming you're going
to want me to build out for that too. No, you
don't have to. You don't have to do Moab. You
can just do the Overland thing instead of the
Wheeling thing. It's all one thing. We'll choose
to do the obstacles. Yeah. I don't know. We'll
see. If my job situation changes, that might
change. I think the biggest obstacle for me is
money. Yeah, same. 2027 is going to be like the
year where shit starts picking up. You know,
I'll be down a car payment. Sienna's going to
pick up a 4Runner. So we're going to, she's going
to get rid of that lease on the Honda. She's
going to pick up a 4Runner. We'll be down to
one payment, so we'll be back to kind of where
we were budget -wise before she got her car wreck.
And that was when we could take bigger vacations.
We could save up thousands of dollars. Right
now, we can't do that. Not with a kid, not with
daycare, not with our car payments and what we're
currently making. It's just not. We would definitely
be doing, Moab would cost us each like a grand.
Yeah. We'd be doing it as cheap as possible.
For God, a grand. That's so cheap. Meal prep.
Yeah, because all our food would be already set.
We wouldn't be buying anything. It would just
be cost of gas. Yep. God, when we did the UP,
it was like a ton of money in just gas. I think
it was like $500 in just gas around there, driving
everywhere. How many miles is it from here to
Moab? Because we can kind of do the math here
a little bit. All right, so it's 1 ,500 miles.
I get about 18 to the gallon. So that would be...
I did that math wrong. I'm not good at math,
guys. That's 83. Tanks of gas. Okay, trip distance,
1 ,500 miles. I found a calculator. 1 ,500 divided
by 18 is 83. That's 83 full tanks. Yep, 83 gallons
of gas. It's 83 gallons of gas, not 83 tanks.
Oh, you're right, you're right. Sorry, sorry,
sorry. 83 tanks would be crazy. Fuel down will
be like $333. If fuel is $4 all the way down,
which it won't be, that's like a worst -case
scenario where it's $4 a gallon from here to
there. It's $333. So then that'd be that coming
back. So that's roughly $600 in fuel. And then
the other 400 would just be whatever we do while
we're there. But like I said, we'd have everything.
We were going to bring all the food. Maybe we'd
have to get water, obviously. Yeah. I mean, it's
not as bad as I thought, but I wouldn't feel
comfortable doing that without like three grand
for like anything that could go wrong. Yeah.
Like I just comfortably for that far away. that's
where we're going as a group for a reason because
then we can understand each other. I understand
your ball joint fails. We can all pitch in to
help you fix it. Yeah. And I get that. And that
is the only way that I would do that. Like I
would not go alone with what I make right now.
Yeah. No, but like, I mean, I would really like
to go and do like Montana area. Yeah. Um, like
I I'd like to do like, um, parts of Canada, but
that's, um, Washington, Oregon, Idaho. I mean,
that was kind of the reason we started botches
in the first place was being able to do bigger
trips like that without having to foot the entire
bill. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's great.
Um, and I also would like to do, I'd like us
to plan out Hocking Hills. I don't know if you
guys have looked that up a little bit. Hocking
Hills isn't all that far away. It's in Ohio.
And there are some fucking gorgeous views, water
crossings. It looks like some decent wheeling,
really, too. I feel like we could do that for
pretty cheap as far as things go. It looks pretty
fun. I'd be down. It's gorgeous. It's only six
hours to get there, 400 miles. Man, there's some
really cool off -roading out there, too, like
actual hill climbs. Yeah, yeah. They have actual
deep water crossings, waterfalls along trails.
These trucks that I'm looking at doing hard stuff
are definitely RC trucks. All right, I got to
look. Yeah, I was watching a couple guys overlanding
and doing the Hocking Hills area, and it's just
like, holy fuck, that's gorgeous. Yeah, it looks
cool. I'd be down to try that. And that's not
crazy expensive. The views are fucking gorgeous.
I mean, it's no top of the world, but... No,
I really like the waterfall cliffs area like
that, the dark green forest, the waterfalls,
the rocky cliffs. I'm really hoping that when
we go to Moab next year, I'm not as scared as
I was last time I was there. Like, I would not
go out on the cliff, but I want to this time.
But, dude, it's scary. Like, I don't even know
how tall that point is. It's a 7 ,000 -foot drop.
Oh, 3 ,000 -foot drop. Like, that shit's scary,
dude. Mm -hmm. But God, it just... I wonder if
there's already a... Sorry, I was just checking
to see if there's an overland, like an actual
trail for Hocking Hills. Oh, on like Onyx or
something? Like to go through all of it. Yeah,
well, that or just... But I'll have to look at
it. It'll be something I could look at tonight.
But we're at that one hour mark, boys. We are.
I was going to say, it's about time to call it.
Well, it looks like I got some research to do.
I'll do some research in the Hocking Hills because,
like I said, that could be a weekend. I'd say
a four -day. Four -day would be nice. Four -day
trip. It's not super far. It's not super expensive.
And listeners, don't forget that the next two
weeks will just be one episode. Yeah. Sorry.
When we get back from Leatherwood, that might
be three weeks. We'll have plenty. Yeah, I was
going to say, we'll have plenty to update you
on on that because we'll have Spring Shakedown
done too. Well, Spring Shakedown will get done
before we go to Leatherwood. That's true. That's
true. Ooh, that week we're going to want to record
on a Tuesday. Yeah, I'll say it. Unless we record
on a Tuesday or we just skip it. No, we're not
skipping it. We ain't missing a week. Okay, okay.
No week missing. We've already slimmed it down
enough. If we miss a week, then that means that
we're slipping in general and we may as well
quit doing it. So no missing a week. All right.
No missing a week. All right. Unless someone's
dead, we're not missing a week. And if someone
is dead, there's at least going to be an announcement
that they're dead. True. No, we'll do a whole
episode on it. We'll make it work. And then get
off the vehicle. We'll have sound bites of them,
and we'll chop it up so it sounds like they're
talking to you. If I die, you guys have to keep
my vehicle. There's no selling it. You have to
keep it. Build it and travel it. I would totally
park it by my shed and let it rot. I mean, I
would totally build it. I would be so mad. I
would haunt you from a grave. I would want Barry
to see everything he deserves to see. And I'd
have your ashes in the center console just going
everywhere with me. Right before the frame rusts
out in 2038, whatever that ends up being. Right
then, that's when you're allowed to put my ashes
in the fucking engine and run it until she blows.
Dude, I would swap the frame. Just send that
shit. He thinks that I can't keep a vehicle past
2038. I don't think you'll keep this 4Runner
past 20... 2027. You think I'll get rid of my
4Runner by 2027? Yeah. You've gotten pretty close
already. You've gotten pretty close a couple
times. Even though I'm buying another one that's
supercharged and five -speed and doing a bunch
of work to it. Well, okay, that counts, though,
if you switch off to a different one. It's going
to be the same truck. I'm just swapping engine
and trans. As long as the VIN matches. I mean,
that will probably be that way for a long time.
No lie. Hey, if you keep it, perfect. Even if
I swap the VIN plate. The time that I've known
you, I feel like you've almost sold that a couple
times. Almost. Not quite. It's been talked about,
though. So I can honestly say this is the only
vehicle I've had for more than a year that I
didn't honestly think about selling. I've joked
about it or been pissed at it, but I've never
even put it in effort to look at selling it.
At this point, I'm far past selling mine. It's
mine now. I'm what? Three years into it? I've
made it my own. Have I had my truck three years
or two years? Two years. Two years? Two and a
half. I think I'm at two years. No, three. Two.
Two? Two. Oh. You just started two. Well, not
just started. You started three. You started
three. I think it's been three. No, it's 11 -2.
Well, listen, dude. You got the truck in 2023.
I thought I got it in 2022. No. Oh. Well. Because
2023 is when we actually started off -roading,
and that's when I got the itch, and then we formed
our group in 2023. Oh, yeah, good point. The
group was formed in 23, so I would have bought
it April of 23. Damn, I thought I had it three
years. That being said, I have. Actually, driving
-wise, I've owned the 4Runner longer than any
other vehicle in my life. Now, the 442, I have
owned longer, but I haven't driven it in two
years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my Subie is still the
biggest. I've had that for like five years, and
that thing was great. It still ran when I sold
it. I was just not going to put the money into
fixing the frame. It just wasn't worth it. Yeah,
I don't see the 4Runner going anywhere anytime
soon, and if it does, It's going to be replaced
by another third gen because I don't want to
have to rebuy all my shit. That's fair. That's
fair. All right. Well, you heard him here first.
Keep him to his word. Yeah. We'll see you guys
on the next one. Yep. Catch you later. Later.
I hope you didn't think you were getting out
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