WEBVTT 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:17.920 Welcome to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:20.100 about everything from gear review to tent stories. 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:26.059 I gotta do that again. Try this again. Welcome 00:00:26.059 --> 00:00:28.339 to Botches Off -Road. Join us as we talk about 00:00:28.339 --> 00:00:30.839 from everything from gear review to trail stories, 00:00:31.140 --> 00:00:33.000 tent camping to rock landing, and all things 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:35.759 to do with the great outdoors. I just added a 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:42.920 word there. Oh, and Alex is muted. Man, we are 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:47.700 killing it today. Oh my god, are we on top of 00:00:47.700 --> 00:00:52.659 it? So today's a good ol' rap. A weekend recap 00:00:52.659 --> 00:00:55.899 and plans. If anyone didn't know, that's why 00:00:55.899 --> 00:00:58.500 when you see these short episodes, they're called 00:00:58.500 --> 00:01:04.019 rap. It's weekend recaps and plans. Yep. Rap. 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:09.140 Yes. Good ol' rap. Gavin, I see you sent your 00:01:09.140 --> 00:01:13.560 podcasting setup. That's pretty sick. Yeah. Yeah, 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:17.120 usually once we get done with the intro, I get 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:20.780 rid of the one screen and then go back to whatever 00:01:20.780 --> 00:01:25.079 I have online, pulled up. I'm gonna see if I 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:28.219 can take a screenshot of my whole setup for you. 00:01:29.060 --> 00:01:33.159 Or, like, if I can even do that? No, you got 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:36.019 me curious. I don't see what's important. My 00:01:36.019 --> 00:01:40.579 setup's pretty... Well, you have like four screens. 00:01:41.740 --> 00:01:44.579 So it's like kind of hey, it totally did let 00:01:44.579 --> 00:01:53.719 me do it Hmm yeah, I just do it this way The 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:56.019 print screen button and then dragged it to cover 00:01:56.019 --> 00:02:03.900 all of them yeah That's my that's my my beautiful 00:02:03.900 --> 00:02:09.979 little setup there It takes up see this is a 00:02:09.979 --> 00:02:17.750 27 inch 27 inch, 27 inch, 24. You can't do the 00:02:17.750 --> 00:02:19.590 whole, okay, so you hit the print screen button, 00:02:19.669 --> 00:02:21.669 right Mark? I have no idea which button that 00:02:21.669 --> 00:02:30.650 is for me. It says PRNT screen. Oh, got it. And 00:02:30.650 --> 00:02:32.430 then it's gonna bring up a clipping tool and 00:02:32.430 --> 00:02:36.030 you gotta drag the four corners out. Okay, now 00:02:36.030 --> 00:02:38.689 I got it. Now we're talking about tech now, what 00:02:38.689 --> 00:02:44.960 are we doing? Hey, chapter art, I guess. I guess 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:48.860 chapter art. Live and learn. Man, Mark's setup 00:02:48.860 --> 00:02:52.419 looks so sad with his one little monitor. Is 00:02:52.419 --> 00:02:55.819 that really? So when we record this, that's really 00:02:55.819 --> 00:03:01.580 how you do it? Yeah. Oh, man. I only have one 00:03:01.580 --> 00:03:06.840 monitor, too. It's just long. Yeah, yeah. How 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.879 long is your monitor? That's a good question. 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:18.819 Say 20 something It has to be over 20 yeah, yeah, 00:03:18.819 --> 00:03:22.500 it's something because I don't know so my My 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:25.860 monitor that's got audacity like the you know 00:03:25.860 --> 00:03:28.419 I've got audacity in my web browser on two monitors 00:03:28.419 --> 00:03:32.500 there uh -huh each of those are 27 inch monitors 00:03:32.500 --> 00:03:37.400 and then the one on the far right that looks 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:41.180 really small because It's only 1080p. That is 00:03:41.180 --> 00:03:49.919 also a 27 inch monitor. Let's see if I could 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:55.659 go into. Check what kind of monitor I have LG 00:03:55.659 --> 00:04:03.289 ultra wide. But. This is important for rap, by 00:04:03.289 --> 00:04:05.270 the way. People need to know what we're sitting 00:04:05.270 --> 00:04:08.050 in front of. This is very important. It's on 00:04:08.050 --> 00:04:10.610 our screen at all times for recordings. Yes. 00:04:12.449 --> 00:04:15.409 I'm slowly working on a new studio, and part 00:04:15.409 --> 00:04:18.889 of what's keeping me from moving is I need new 00:04:18.889 --> 00:04:20.810 monitors and to build a new computer because 00:04:20.810 --> 00:04:27.730 I could not go down to two. I think it's a 29 00:04:27.730 --> 00:04:35.110 inch or a 30 inch. Hmm But it's an ultra wide 00:04:35.110 --> 00:04:41.129 so It just they turn the diagonal a little bit 00:04:41.129 --> 00:04:44.829 farther so it goes wider Yeah, I like it. It 00:04:44.829 --> 00:04:47.829 does it does the job. It's like having it's basically 00:04:47.829 --> 00:04:53.389 two regular size monitors Actually, I can't maybe 00:04:53.389 --> 00:04:58.230 these are 24s. Give me a second. I might 27 might 00:04:58.230 --> 00:05:04.569 be the one I threw another 27 but the Okay, so 00:05:04.569 --> 00:05:06.810 the two in the middle are 27s the one on the 00:05:06.810 --> 00:05:13.230 rights of 24 and the one up top to 24 Aha, I 00:05:13.230 --> 00:05:20.189 knew I had a tape I shouldn't just Corner to 00:05:20.189 --> 00:05:29.529 corner corner to corner Yeah, yeah, that's 30 00:05:29.529 --> 00:05:36.620 damn Nice corner to corner Don't ask why I have 00:05:36.620 --> 00:05:41.060 I'm trust I'm trying to remember what monitors 00:05:41.060 --> 00:05:46.160 these are I I had no expenses spared about four 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:50.959 years ago. Let's put it that way. Yeah Well, 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:54.879 shall we uh Yeah, let's get into more fun text 00:05:54.879 --> 00:06:00.839 No, I mean overland overland stuff Hey, off -road 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:09.160 -y stuff. Off -road -y? Almost gotcha. So, Mark, 00:06:09.620 --> 00:06:11.779 you know what? Gavin, what are you doing this 00:06:11.779 --> 00:06:13.600 weekend, Gavin? What am I doing? I know you don't 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:18.639 work. Yeah, well, my wife is going to her sister's 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:22.100 bachelorette party, so me and the kid are home 00:06:22.100 --> 00:06:26.300 alone for the weekend, so with that in mind, 00:06:26.300 --> 00:06:28.800 I... You're coming over. Yeah, I'm probably coming 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:37.579 over. Um, not sure. Not sure how many days, um, 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:39.779 but we'll probably try one night and see how 00:06:39.779 --> 00:06:43.899 it works with them. Uh, I know Saturday we've 00:06:43.899 --> 00:06:47.100 got, uh, we got to go shopping for our buddy's 00:06:47.100 --> 00:06:52.259 wedding. Yep. But we'll be back Saturday evening. 00:06:53.259 --> 00:06:56.879 Yeah. Um, I have no idea what we're going to 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.800 do, honestly. Um. I know I want to get him outside 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.680 a little bit, and I'm getting stir -crazy. I 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.819 want to be outside, so... You can always come 00:07:06.819 --> 00:07:08.860 set up in the corner of my yard. It's a nice, 00:07:08.899 --> 00:07:13.620 safe place to set up. Yeah. The shade is what 00:07:13.620 --> 00:07:17.019 I'm going to be looking in for, so... That's 00:07:17.019 --> 00:07:19.680 why we go to the corner of my yard. You got good 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:24.939 shade over there? Well, now that it's not wet, 00:07:25.019 --> 00:07:28.420 we can go sit on the wood line. Oh, cool. I'm 00:07:28.420 --> 00:07:32.220 down with that. Um, but other than that, um, 00:07:32.500 --> 00:07:36.560 I'm going to go buy a crap ton of various lengths 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.860 of carriage bolts. Um, I found, yeah, I found 00:07:40.860 --> 00:07:43.360 out that a quarter inch carriage bolts fit into 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:49.300 the, uh, my rails for the Princey rack. So it 00:07:49.300 --> 00:07:52.560 makes it really, really easy to remount all my 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:55.519 boxes back up there and really easy to take them 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:59.360 out. Cause the carriage bolts like lock in. To 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:04.660 the actual like slide. Yeah, so right So I'm 00:08:04.660 --> 00:08:06.740 gonna remount my tools of stuff up there until 00:08:06.740 --> 00:08:10.399 I get a rooftop tent and maybe work on getting 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:18.420 my My poop awning put back on And I have all 00:08:18.420 --> 00:08:21.199 the lights still that I was waiting for my princy 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:26.180 rack to put on So I might we'll see well, I might 00:08:26.180 --> 00:08:29.220 put those on Start getting some of those extra 00:08:29.220 --> 00:08:35.519 lights wired up We'll see I have a lot of plans 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.419 about having a kid mixed into those plans doesn't 00:08:39.419 --> 00:08:42.840 really You know what else is cool about camping 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:48.440 at my house? Free childcare. Oh, yeah. Well, 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.779 we'll see. Yeah We'll see how long she could 00:08:51.779 --> 00:08:56.049 take it the kids been a menace Oh, dude, ours 00:08:56.049 --> 00:08:59.870 too. Jesus Christ. He'd probably bite the dog. 00:09:01.009 --> 00:09:03.690 So Mother's Day, right? My mom was over with 00:09:03.690 --> 00:09:08.309 her three -year -old and then add our three -year 00:09:08.309 --> 00:09:11.470 -old to the mix. They were running around outside, 00:09:11.950 --> 00:09:14.049 smashing windows and stuff with hammers. Like, 00:09:14.049 --> 00:09:21.110 it was bad. Yeah. Smashing windows? Yeah, they 00:09:21.110 --> 00:09:26.259 smashed a window on Mark's topper. Yep. Oh. And 00:09:26.259 --> 00:09:31.919 they drew all over the 442 with chalk. Oh, boy. 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.799 Oh, yeah. I'm not that kind of crunchy parenting, 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:40.980 am I? Some spankin's word. I mean, oh, that's 00:09:40.980 --> 00:09:43.879 not OK. No, it's OK. Some corrective action was 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.980 taken. Yeah, no, that's OK. If my kid did that, 00:09:46.980 --> 00:09:51.019 I would spank his ass. Right amount of crashes. 00:09:52.649 --> 00:09:54.730 Yeah, the right amount of crew, because they 00:09:54.730 --> 00:09:57.549 got told put the hammer away like five times. 00:09:58.070 --> 00:10:01.490 And then a dude, they smashed the tail lights 00:10:01.490 --> 00:10:04.970 out of the crawler. I mean, are you most of most 00:10:04.970 --> 00:10:08.830 of the damage was on the scrap vehicle. Yeah. 00:10:09.590 --> 00:10:12.610 They smashed the windshield of the crawler, like 00:10:12.610 --> 00:10:16.590 stuff that I'm already throwing away. Yeah. But 00:10:16.590 --> 00:10:21.759 that doesn't make it OK. No, it does not. Yeah, 00:10:21.899 --> 00:10:24.539 I know yeah, I was I would have went ballistic 00:10:24.539 --> 00:10:29.159 can't lie dudes just non -stop craziness the 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.179 whole time and Jackson's not usually like that, 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:35.519 but you add River with his non -stop go go go 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:41.000 go go it just It's awful All right, so maybe 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.179 I'll be camping at home River won't be here. 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.090 It's okay. Yeah, I would be drinking Will you 00:10:50.090 --> 00:10:52.590 find some Bush Apple and try those out? Because 00:10:52.590 --> 00:10:56.269 I've been seeing all this hubbub about them. 00:10:56.750 --> 00:10:59.169 I'm sure they're just as bad as they were the 00:10:59.169 --> 00:11:02.809 first time they came out. I've never tried them. 00:11:03.669 --> 00:11:06.470 Yeah, they were pretty gross last time. All right, 00:11:06.470 --> 00:11:09.570 if any of our listeners have tried Bush Apple, 00:11:10.029 --> 00:11:13.409 let's hear it. Tell me your reviews on the Brapple. 00:11:14.009 --> 00:11:18.149 Brapple. I give them an F. I would not buy again. 00:11:18.629 --> 00:11:21.279 Really? That's why I didn't. Mark, what are you 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:29.440 drinking? Uh, M43. Yep, M43. Bro. Bro. Quinzies. 00:11:29.659 --> 00:11:40.879 Nice. And I got water. I was all out of, uh, 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:45.440 I was all out of some El Chavo. All the caimans 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:49.330 are gone too? Yeah, those are all gone too. I 00:11:49.330 --> 00:11:52.990 do like Cayman Jacks. I will say that dude. I 00:11:52.990 --> 00:11:58.289 worked 70 hours this week You can bet I was coming 00:11:58.289 --> 00:12:00.950 home and getting oh, yeah, not wrecked, but I 00:12:00.950 --> 00:12:05.289 was having a beer every night Yeah, oh I needed 00:12:05.289 --> 00:12:12.250 a beer tonight, too. I am Friday if Jasper isn't 00:12:12.250 --> 00:12:15.730 sick We have to take him in to get his tubes 00:12:15.730 --> 00:12:21.330 put in for his ears so oh shit yeah it's he's 00:12:21.330 --> 00:12:24.009 been sick every time the last two times you've 00:12:24.009 --> 00:12:27.350 tried just at the right point to where we're 00:12:27.350 --> 00:12:30.090 like a day or two before surgery so we'll see 00:12:30.090 --> 00:12:34.750 if that actually happens but yeah let's hope 00:12:34.750 --> 00:12:38.100 that you could finally get him because I'm worried 00:12:38.100 --> 00:12:40.240 that he's gonna have permanent hearing damage 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.159 and then that's gonna affect his speech and You 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.120 know, it's not an end -all be -all, but it does 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:52.039 suck Right So hopefully Friday goes well if Friday 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.379 goes well Sienna will be able to leave for the 00:12:54.379 --> 00:12:57.360 bachelorette party And then I will be able to 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.080 do my own thing with Jasper But it all kind of 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.879 hinges on that so that'll be my wrap Let's move 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.759 on to our next one. I was just gonna say so mark 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.279 Yeah, what did you do last weekend? See? I know 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:14.399 Gavin work. That's why I didn't ask him what 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:18.440 yeah, but what did you do last weekend? I don't 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.600 remember what we did We got the oil. I got the 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:25.980 oil change done in my truck I Sony adjusts the 00:13:25.980 --> 00:13:29.769 front shocks. I didn't get to that But we were 00:13:29.769 --> 00:13:32.830 very lazy that day and we schemed about something 00:13:32.830 --> 00:13:35.049 that's gonna happen and it's in the works right 00:13:35.049 --> 00:13:42.169 now So, oh, yeah. Yeah So originally we're gonna 00:13:42.169 --> 00:13:44.750 mount two packouts in the rear of my truck and 00:13:44.750 --> 00:13:48.730 we're gonna make a tabletop on it The more I 00:13:48.730 --> 00:13:50.470 thought about over the course of the week of 00:13:50.470 --> 00:13:53.370 us originally talking about it. I realize this 00:13:53.370 --> 00:13:57.149 is gonna sit tall Like I kept talking myself 00:13:57.149 --> 00:13:59.490 in and out of putting my tailgate back on because 00:13:59.490 --> 00:14:04.049 it would make a good work surface But it looks 00:14:04.049 --> 00:14:08.309 terrible it does it does The tailgate got smashed. 00:14:08.330 --> 00:14:09.850 That's the reason why I got the tire carrier 00:14:09.850 --> 00:14:14.909 to begin with it was to hide the horrendous dent 00:14:14.909 --> 00:14:18.429 Tailgate never really functioned properly. So 00:14:18.429 --> 00:14:22.190 that's the reason why I came off begin with But 00:14:22.190 --> 00:14:26.320 um, I just was trying to Figure out how to make 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.539 a tabletop that wasn't sitting so tall because 00:14:28.539 --> 00:14:31.019 of losing all the weight out of the rear So it 00:14:31.019 --> 00:14:34.720 sits higher than what it did previously Alex 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:36.700 came up with the idea. How about we make a slide 00:14:36.700 --> 00:14:40.440 out slide out table? I'm like, oh That's actually 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:42.960 a good idea and just mount the back out on top 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:51.279 of the slide out portion. Oh Yeah, okay Yeah, 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:57.299 it's it's pretty sick. Yep Uh, I did what? Three 00:14:57.299 --> 00:15:02.000 quarter inch plywood. Mm -hmm. Um, I made a bottom 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:06.919 plate and a top plate and then made some spacers 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.759 for either side and then just cut another one 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.279 for in the middle. So you grab the one in the 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:14.320 middle and it just slides out between the other 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:18.200 two. Yep. Um, and then you stained them black, 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:20.720 correct? Yes. I got to finish staining them. 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:23.940 They had it like a six -hour dry time for some 00:15:23.940 --> 00:15:27.360 odd reason. Okay, so yeah, that sounds all right. 00:15:27.539 --> 00:15:29.539 Yep I gotta finish things and I gotta see if 00:15:29.539 --> 00:15:34.240 I want to do extra layers on the tops Yeah, just 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:37.240 place and then Well, the way that stain works. 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.879 You can't really do extra layers. It just makes 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:42.960 it darker Okay, because wood absorbs stain. It's 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:47.580 not like paint. Okay? Wood absorbs paint the 00:15:47.580 --> 00:15:50.879 stain rather than it's sitting on top Okay, I 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.139 was trying to understand that. How it was worded, 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:54.799 it sounded like you did an extra layer of help 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.759 with protection, at least with the polyurethane 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:00.759 or whatever I'm putting on it. Oh, it's got poly? 00:16:01.019 --> 00:16:04.460 Yeah. Okay, only put the poly on the outside, 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:06.600 but that you definitely have to do multiple layers. 00:16:07.340 --> 00:16:13.399 Okay. So yeah, it's... And then we're gonna grease 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.480 the underside of the table that pulls out. Yep. 00:16:16.659 --> 00:16:18.789 So you'll be able... He'll have his two packouts 00:16:18.789 --> 00:16:22.590 up top and then just a slide out tray, basically. 00:16:22.690 --> 00:16:26.429 Mm hmm. And it only stands like an inch and a 00:16:26.429 --> 00:16:33.490 half tall. Yeah. That was pretty sick. Mm hmm. 00:16:34.090 --> 00:16:36.990 Gavin is me. I'm digging it. Yeah, I realize 00:16:36.990 --> 00:16:40.269 that like immediately after I said it. Yeah, 00:16:40.289 --> 00:16:42.110 well, I have to see that. Is it going to be ready 00:16:42.110 --> 00:16:45.470 by Friday? Maybe. Sounds like he's got to do 00:16:45.470 --> 00:16:49.789 another coat. I gotta do another coat. We'll 00:16:49.789 --> 00:16:54.610 see though. Yeah, it's pretty sick. I'm aiming 00:16:54.610 --> 00:16:57.730 to get it mounted up this weekend, but I still 00:16:57.730 --> 00:16:59.769 gotta get a couple things, but I got other things 00:16:59.769 --> 00:17:05.150 going on. We literally went from sitting on the 00:17:05.150 --> 00:17:08.890 couch without anything to do to going to get 00:17:08.890 --> 00:17:11.029 lumber for this thing in a matter of like... 00:17:11.529 --> 00:17:15.990 20 minutes. Yeah. That's usually how it goes. 00:17:17.509 --> 00:17:21.049 And we cleared all the packouts off the trailer 00:17:21.049 --> 00:17:23.069 and used the trailer to haul a four by eight 00:17:23.069 --> 00:17:26.890 sheet of plywood. Yep. The trailer is a phenomenal 00:17:26.890 --> 00:17:32.809 utility trailer. It is. Well, I'm sure that was 00:17:32.809 --> 00:17:34.789 easy just getting the packouts off and everything, 00:17:35.009 --> 00:17:37.789 so. Oh yeah. Yeah, they pop right off. I mean, 00:17:37.849 --> 00:17:41.279 it's... It's nice having it modular like that. 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:46.779 So it's multi -purpose. Mm -hmm. Yeah Did anybody 00:17:46.779 --> 00:17:53.099 do any Any purchases any any future? Equipment 00:17:53.099 --> 00:17:56.819 purchases or anything we're thinking of I'm getting 00:17:56.819 --> 00:17:59.980 there. No, I'm taking a mark. You know, is he 00:17:59.980 --> 00:18:03.720 know anything planned? I'm kind of chilling it 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.920 out because I had two big purchases, so I don't 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.880 have anything in the major works as of right 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:19.200 now. I am planning out how to do 35s. And then 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:22.640 we got that whole scenario. That's going to be 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:26.740 an interesting one because my truck, Mark's truck, 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:32.480 is Alan on board with the Jeep? For 35s? matching 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.240 wheels and tires? Oh, matching, yes, yes. I don't 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:38.160 know how we're gonna get him in it, though, because 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:41.880 that's a big build. Just whenever that time comes. 00:18:41.900 --> 00:18:45.220 Yep. So the goal is for the 4Runner, the Tacoma, 00:18:45.619 --> 00:18:48.839 the Jeep, and the trailer, and all of our spares 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:53.019 to all be the same wheel with the same tire with 00:18:53.019 --> 00:18:55.539 the same... Set up. ...bead lock, internal bead 00:18:55.539 --> 00:19:00.000 lock, exactly the same. Mm -hmm. That way we 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.240 can just rotate tires to whatever vehicle they 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:06.039 need to go to I mean shoot we could almost literally 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.200 have like this crazy convoluted rotation system 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.799 so that all the tires are worn down at the same 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:16.059 rate. Yeah, I Mean that'd be dumb, but we could 00:19:16.059 --> 00:19:22.920 do it Yeah, it's gonna be sick though because 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:27.970 it's gonna save us a lot of effort in finding 00:19:27.970 --> 00:19:30.230 new wheels, because we always buy cheap ones. 00:19:31.470 --> 00:19:34.029 Not this time. No. We're not doing it this time. 00:19:34.210 --> 00:19:36.869 No, not this time. Expensive wheels, cheap tires. 00:19:37.049 --> 00:19:41.210 I mean, expensive wheels, decent tires. And quite 00:19:41.210 --> 00:19:45.690 the setup, an expensive setup. Yeah, we're looking 00:19:45.690 --> 00:19:49.650 at pneumatic internal bead locks. So they're 00:19:49.650 --> 00:19:52.210 basically like a small inner tube that goes inside 00:19:52.210 --> 00:19:58.269 the tire. And then... It has its own valve stem 00:19:58.269 --> 00:20:00.150 that you have to drill through your wheel and 00:20:00.150 --> 00:20:02.930 then it inflates to lock the bead on either side 00:20:02.930 --> 00:20:08.109 They Really you don't see a lot of people run 00:20:08.109 --> 00:20:11.250 them. No, but the reviews that the reviews we 00:20:11.250 --> 00:20:16.549 see they're absolutely amazing. Yep Those Aussies 00:20:16.549 --> 00:20:19.009 running it at zero PSI just whipping corners. 00:20:19.009 --> 00:20:23.160 That was cool. That was cool Have you guys figured 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.440 out like a price range for something like that? 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:33.220 Pretty high. Yeah. Yeah, it's $600 for four And 00:20:33.220 --> 00:20:37.960 that's not including installation Yep, ooh Yep, 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:42.380 or like 3k for a good set of bead lock wheels. 00:20:42.380 --> 00:20:48.980 Mm -hmm It The big benefit is they're DOT approved 00:20:48.980 --> 00:20:51.160 whereas a bead lock isn't and there's no maintenance 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:56.150 on them Yep. You just gotta drill your second 00:20:56.150 --> 00:21:00.170 hole in your rim and then as long as we get everything 00:21:00.170 --> 00:21:05.269 mounted up properly, it should work. Yep. Is 00:21:05.269 --> 00:21:06.950 that something tire shops are willing to even 00:21:06.950 --> 00:21:10.609 work on? Never enough is. Never enough is. They're 00:21:10.609 --> 00:21:14.690 actually very intrigued by it. Yeah, I I stopped 00:21:14.690 --> 00:21:17.109 in the other day and talked to him and asked 00:21:17.109 --> 00:21:18.930 him if they could do it and they were like We've 00:21:18.930 --> 00:21:20.490 never even heard of that and then they looked 00:21:20.490 --> 00:21:22.609 it up and they're like we need to start carrying 00:21:22.609 --> 00:21:30.789 this Yeah, that's really interesting so Never 00:21:30.789 --> 00:21:33.730 enough by the way for anybody who doesn't know 00:21:33.730 --> 00:21:35.910 that never enough is our local off -road shop 00:21:35.910 --> 00:21:40.569 here in Grant, but they and they are They are 00:21:40.569 --> 00:21:44.470 pretty great. Mm -hmm They have a massive online 00:21:44.470 --> 00:21:46.769 shop. Well, I think they're one of the biggest 00:21:46.769 --> 00:21:49.789 suppliers. So probably they are especially for 00:21:49.789 --> 00:21:53.250 Michigan. Yeah Not just Michigan, dude. When 00:21:53.250 --> 00:21:55.250 I lived in Arizona people were buying from never 00:21:55.250 --> 00:21:59.930 enough. Oh, yeah Yeah, they're a big shop. So, 00:22:00.250 --> 00:22:03.589 you know They got a lot of stuff. I think they're 00:22:03.589 --> 00:22:07.130 the ones that I have like they have the apex 00:22:07.130 --> 00:22:11.000 setups that Alex is running Yeah, that's where 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:14.279 I got mine and he got yours too there or you 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:22.119 buy them have them installed Alex oh Sorry, yes, 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.539 that's that's who did my my apex valve stems. 00:22:26.059 --> 00:22:30.640 Yeah, just went I I had the forerunner in there 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:37.359 getting Tires balanced, I think Yeah, I was getting 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:40.569 I was getting my new tires mounted And I saw 00:22:40.569 --> 00:22:42.210 those and I'm like, all right, I don't even care 00:22:42.210 --> 00:22:46.130 how much they cost. Just put them on. Yeah. Well, 00:22:46.230 --> 00:22:48.890 I've fuck I've had mine mounted and balanced 00:22:48.890 --> 00:22:53.289 on there. They put my wild peaks on. They figured 00:22:53.289 --> 00:22:57.849 out something cheap to help me get by for now. 00:22:58.009 --> 00:23:01.829 So I appreciate that. Yeah, because I needed 00:23:01.829 --> 00:23:08.089 I needed a actual like a relocation kit for my 00:23:08.089 --> 00:23:13.569 back tire. on like my spare wheel mount. But 00:23:13.569 --> 00:23:15.589 they worked with me because I didn't have a lot 00:23:15.589 --> 00:23:19.549 of time nor money to get that mounted on there. 00:23:19.589 --> 00:23:23.490 I think they ended up using Chevy spacers. So 00:23:23.490 --> 00:23:27.910 they worked with me. It was pretty cool. It wasn't 00:23:27.910 --> 00:23:32.150 like the legit way to do it. And that's all I 00:23:32.150 --> 00:23:35.930 wanted was the non legit way to do it. And they 00:23:35.930 --> 00:23:39.710 were willing to. willing to work with me on that, 00:23:39.890 --> 00:23:41.349 because like I said, I didn't have the money 00:23:41.349 --> 00:23:46.210 to go and spend $300 on that right then. So it 00:23:46.210 --> 00:23:47.710 was pretty cool. They were willing to work with 00:23:47.710 --> 00:23:50.589 me on it, so good for them. Appreciate that. 00:23:52.430 --> 00:23:54.509 But if we're talking about future purchases, 00:23:54.609 --> 00:23:59.029 I have one that's coming up in like a week. Yep. 00:24:00.549 --> 00:24:03.009 So I've been in the market for a two -person 00:24:03.009 --> 00:24:06.089 tent for a while. I've got my single -person 00:24:06.089 --> 00:24:08.599 Lightfighter. that's great for when it's just 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:10.700 me, but I needed something for me and Kaylin. 00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:14.900 And the Light Fighter, as much as I love the 00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:19.299 Light Fighter 2, it comes out to, like, $620 00:24:19.299 --> 00:24:22.700 for the all -in system to make it four season. 00:24:23.019 --> 00:24:28.880 Yeah. And it's quick setup, but not fastest setup, 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:35.029 right? Yeah. So I was doing some research. online 00:24:35.029 --> 00:24:37.369 to see what the fastest setup ground tents you 00:24:37.369 --> 00:24:39.710 can get are. And I came across something the 00:24:39.710 --> 00:24:42.589 Australians use, which are called swags. Yep. 00:24:43.269 --> 00:24:47.210 For anyone who doesn't know what a swag is, it's 00:24:47.210 --> 00:24:51.829 a roll up tent that doesn't have a rain fly per 00:24:51.829 --> 00:24:56.349 se. It's just a canvas, little canvas tent. Usually 00:24:56.349 --> 00:24:58.910 they're one person, but they have an integrated 00:24:58.910 --> 00:25:02.369 mattress and you roll your bedding right inside 00:25:02.369 --> 00:25:05.400 of them. So when it comes to setup, it's literally 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.359 pull tent out, unroll tent, put up poles. And 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:11.759 now your bedding is ready, your tent is ready, 00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:18.000 everything is just set up. I've been watching 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.940 people with this one and from the time that they 00:25:19.940 --> 00:25:22.180 take it off the roof of their car to the time 00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:24.299 that they have it set up is about three minutes. 00:25:24.900 --> 00:25:29.369 And they were doing races between... The swag 00:25:29.369 --> 00:25:33.210 and the not hardshell rooftop tents, but softshell 00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:35.650 rooftop tents Yeah, and they'd have the swag 00:25:35.650 --> 00:25:44.910 ready like a good 30 seconds before an RTT So 00:25:44.910 --> 00:25:50.430 Yeah, we can't go see that The downside to a 00:25:50.430 --> 00:25:54.049 swag is that the thing weighs 49 pounds. Yeah, 00:25:54.450 --> 00:25:58.049 and is big and bulky. Yeah It doesn't fit in 00:25:58.049 --> 00:26:00.849 a pack out like our light fighter system. Not 00:26:00.849 --> 00:26:07.630 even close. So, it's an in -between of a traditional 00:26:07.630 --> 00:26:11.349 ground tent and a rooftop tent. Actually, the 00:26:11.349 --> 00:26:14.529 original rooftop tents were swags that people 00:26:14.529 --> 00:26:16.509 were putting on top of their cars on the roof 00:26:16.509 --> 00:26:23.250 racks. Yeah. So, yeah, it's pretty cool, man. 00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:29.319 I'm looking at a 23 -0 Outbreak 15 -50, which 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:35.400 is funny because it's 90 inches long, 61 inches 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:41.500 wide and 40 inches high, which is bigger in two 00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:45.339 dimensions than the Lightfighter tat and only 00:26:45.339 --> 00:26:48.559 an inch shorter than the Lightfighter is tall. 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:53.180 And it's like, it's almost the same as the tent 00:26:53.180 --> 00:26:55.660 that Gavin the rooftop tent that Gavin's looking 00:26:55.660 --> 00:27:02.099 at. Yeah. Like it's a big thing, a lot bigger 00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:04.200 than what I was you'd expect from a swag because 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:06.920 most swags, they're, you know, not much bigger 00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:13.200 than a bivy cover with poles in it. Mm hmm. But 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.720 it's we'll get pictures of it when I actually 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.000 get the thing, but it's a pretty sick tent and 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:28.029 it's very, very overbuilt. Mm hmm. Yeah, very 00:27:28.029 --> 00:27:32.849 overbuilt That's pretty nice Looking at it right 00:27:32.849 --> 00:27:38.069 now. I'm pretty excited about it I've I've got 00:27:38.069 --> 00:27:40.890 it in my cart right now with a new set of sheets 00:27:40.890 --> 00:27:44.069 and some wool blankets and pillows for it and 00:27:44.069 --> 00:27:47.390 The total cost is like 650. Mm -hmm. That is 00:27:47.390 --> 00:27:52.119 the most I've ever spent on camping gear I mean 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.480 considering what you got was free with the white 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:58.140 fighter originally sells I Mean, yeah, my life 00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:00.400 fighter one. That was all issued by the army, 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:06.299 but About say I think the most expensive so far 00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:14.759 is a 110 and then your giant caught Yeah Yeah, 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:19.640 my other my car my car alone was like 120 mm 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:25.980 -hmm and I'd say for camping gear It's nice, 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:27.980 but it's not something that I would run all the 00:28:27.980 --> 00:28:30.180 time But we use it here at the house all the 00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:33.619 time. Yeah Like it's such a nice pop -up bed 00:28:33.619 --> 00:28:38.859 to just have around. Mm -hmm. I Don't think I 00:28:38.859 --> 00:28:41.880 could see the swag does isn't dual -purpose like 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.359 that like it's quite specifically just for camping. 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:50.859 Mm -hmm Yeah, I spent a lot of money on my setup 00:28:51.069 --> 00:28:55.089 That was probably before I realized I was going 00:28:55.089 --> 00:28:58.690 to be doing the overlanding thing more full time 00:28:58.690 --> 00:29:02.750 rather than because I was mixing it with backpacking. 00:29:02.890 --> 00:29:06.809 I wanted it to work both ways. So a lot of my 00:29:06.809 --> 00:29:10.690 stuff that I use for overlanding is just as good 00:29:10.690 --> 00:29:13.970 for backpacking. And actually it was technically 00:29:13.970 --> 00:29:20.539 for backpacking. So like I had the Nemo. Dagger 00:29:20.539 --> 00:29:23.839 two -person Which is like a four pound tent and 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.839 that was that's for backpacking the the big Agnes 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:35.539 Sleep pads the sleeping bags all more for backpacking 00:29:35.539 --> 00:29:39.759 Speaking of your sleeping bags. So your sleeping 00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.099 bags are they zip together, right? Yeah, they 00:29:43.099 --> 00:29:46.900 can yep. I Might need you to send me a link to 00:29:46.900 --> 00:29:50.309 those because I'm thinking about Like the, I 00:29:50.309 --> 00:29:52.410 bought some wool, or I'm buying some wool blankets 00:29:52.410 --> 00:29:55.289 to go in the swag, but wool blankets are only 00:29:55.289 --> 00:29:59.029 really good in the summer. I'd kinda like some 00:29:59.029 --> 00:30:04.930 sleeping bags to put in there too. Right. And 00:30:04.930 --> 00:30:09.369 I don't see, I don't see the swag as the only 00:30:09.369 --> 00:30:12.529 tent I use, because I only really need it when 00:30:12.529 --> 00:30:15.410 my wife's with me. Yep. So I don't want to put, 00:30:15.410 --> 00:30:17.630 like, my army sleep system and stuff in there, 00:30:17.690 --> 00:30:20.269 because I still think the light fighter being 00:30:20.269 --> 00:30:22.730 smaller is gonna be a lot warmer in the wintertime 00:30:22.730 --> 00:30:27.569 than what the swag will be. Right. Um, and I 00:30:27.569 --> 00:30:30.950 mean, they're both for season 10, so it really... 00:30:30.950 --> 00:30:32.849 At that point, I guess it's just whatever I want 00:30:32.849 --> 00:30:35.009 to take. Do I want the big bulk of the swag, 00:30:35.009 --> 00:30:38.109 or do I just want the tiny little pack -out that 00:30:38.109 --> 00:30:43.660 the light fighter has? Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah, 00:30:43.660 --> 00:30:48.779 I think I have the Echo Park So I want to say 00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:55.259 it's either Echo Park 20 or 35 and It's it's 00:30:55.259 --> 00:31:00.240 done me pretty well. I've uh, yeah We've used 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.640 it in all temps and at the end of the day, I 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:08.740 think It keeps it keeps me more than warm Yeah, 00:31:08.740 --> 00:31:13.299 it's the Echo Park 20 I believe But it keeps 00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:16.960 me more than warm. Sienna's cold no matter what 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:23.079 everywhere. And she's fine in it, too. Yeah, 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.160 I mean the complaint is her face, really. And 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.279 so she likes having a little... The Echo Park 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.539 is not really a mummy bag. It's more like a kind 00:31:32.539 --> 00:31:37.099 of a semi -rectangular. And they're extra wide 00:31:37.099 --> 00:31:42.039 bags. Because one, I'm a wide dude and I want... 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.339 to be able to move around a little bit. I side 00:31:44.339 --> 00:31:48.480 sleep, I toss and turn. And she, at the time, 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:52.259 was breastfeeding and stuff. So she had the baby 00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:57.259 in there in the bag with her. So we wanted to 00:31:57.259 --> 00:31:59.980 be able to have that extra room. And then, of 00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:02.880 course, yeah, we can use them as quilts if we 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.680 wanted to, or we can just zip them together. 00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:09.079 But they have a little pocket to throw your pillow, 00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:13.819 which I never use. They're, they're nice. Um, 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:18.039 I think. Yeah. I'm trying to decide if I want 00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.539 to do sleeping bags or if I just do the wool 00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:24.420 blankets and then get like a down comforter to 00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:28.339 put in there or a down quilt. Um, cause like 00:32:28.339 --> 00:32:29.920 I said, it's not like I'm going to be using this 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:31.500 thing come winter time. And if I do, I'll put 00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:35.079 a diesel eater into it. Yeah. I'm trying to think 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.640 of my, I guess if I had any complaints for it, 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:44.480 um, Can't really think of any I would like a 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.200 little bit more clearance around the zippers. 00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:51.220 Maybe Because of the synthetic material I mean 00:32:51.220 --> 00:32:53.640 everybody knows like was it sleeping bags you 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.940 have to kind of be careful when doing that I'm 00:32:57.940 --> 00:33:00.759 I haven't had a zipping line up Yeah, I haven't 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.480 really had issues as bad as some of the cheaper 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.339 sleeping bags I've had with the material getting 00:33:06.339 --> 00:33:08.519 like stuck in the zipper or anything. This has 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.829 got a pretty pretty clear way to to fix that, 00:33:13.089 --> 00:33:15.910 but it's always just a pain of mine. But I don't 00:33:15.910 --> 00:33:19.190 ever sleep with my sleeping bag zipped completely 00:33:19.190 --> 00:33:24.390 up because I get too hot. So. I'm just I only 00:33:24.390 --> 00:33:26.390 sleep with my zipping bag all the way up when 00:33:26.390 --> 00:33:29.170 we're sleeping in well under 20 or 32 degree 00:33:29.170 --> 00:33:32.349 weather. Yeah, that's probably like when we did 00:33:32.349 --> 00:33:35.750 when we did that one. night mark the first night 00:33:35.750 --> 00:33:39.430 like 15 yeah there's we were camping one night 00:33:39.430 --> 00:33:41.690 and it was winds of like 50 and it got down to 00:33:41.690 --> 00:33:46.589 15 degrees yeah that was full zip mind you not 00:33:46.589 --> 00:33:49.589 in a not in a three season tent or anything or 00:33:49.589 --> 00:33:52.490 a four season tent like just the standard three 00:33:52.490 --> 00:33:55.049 season parts of our tent no four season installed 00:33:55.049 --> 00:33:58.130 i didn't even have a sleeping pad under my cot 00:33:58.130 --> 00:34:02.829 like worst situation possible yeah that was a 00:34:02.829 --> 00:34:07.170 full zip night And you also had your, uh, bug 00:34:07.170 --> 00:34:10.170 net open too, which actually did make a little 00:34:10.170 --> 00:34:12.409 bit of a difference actually. Oh, it does. Yeah. 00:34:12.429 --> 00:34:14.230 Not by a lot, but. It makes it a lot cooler. 00:34:14.929 --> 00:34:17.929 We, when we had all our, uh, like when we had 00:34:17.929 --> 00:34:20.710 all of our tie lines put out so that air could 00:34:20.710 --> 00:34:23.889 come in, a big difference from having our, all 00:34:23.889 --> 00:34:26.429 our, uh, lines out than having it closed up against 00:34:26.429 --> 00:34:32.409 the tent. Yeah. Oh yeah. So I mean, That's the 00:34:32.409 --> 00:34:34.349 only time I've really slept with it zipped all 00:34:34.349 --> 00:34:37.230 the way up usually I unzip the bottom so I can 00:34:37.230 --> 00:34:40.889 stick a leg out Yeah, me too. I need to have 00:34:40.889 --> 00:34:44.070 that half cool half warm I think I just usually 00:34:44.070 --> 00:34:46.190 zip it up to my chest, but it gets super warm 00:34:46.190 --> 00:34:49.030 I probably leave it wide open, but last couple 00:34:49.030 --> 00:34:50.969 times we've done. I've had only zipped up to 00:34:50.969 --> 00:34:54.889 my chest I Also like sleeping shorts or something 00:34:54.889 --> 00:34:58.610 because I don't I will say I get dressed It's 00:34:58.610 --> 00:35:01.250 way better now that Mark has shown me how to 00:35:01.250 --> 00:35:03.469 use the sleep system I've been using for over 00:35:03.469 --> 00:35:06.889 10 years Because I would wake up with the inner 00:35:06.889 --> 00:35:11.250 bag facing down the outer bag facing up and me 00:35:11.250 --> 00:35:14.789 facing up so I'd have to like do like three somersaults 00:35:14.789 --> 00:35:18.250 to figure out how to unzip this thing and I think 00:35:18.250 --> 00:35:20.269 if I actually had it put together in mail, I 00:35:20.269 --> 00:35:22.349 probably would have slept outside with no issues 00:35:22.349 --> 00:35:30.329 like I Didn't yeah But Anyways, that is a little 00:35:30.329 --> 00:35:33.349 bit longer than 30 minutes. We haven't really... 00:35:33.349 --> 00:35:35.590 We skipped an hour last week, so I feel like 00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:38.789 there's a lot we need to cover, but not a whole 00:35:38.789 --> 00:35:41.829 lot has happened, so... No. Not really. Oh, well. 00:35:42.650 --> 00:35:46.130 But we'll call that a wrap on the wrap, and then 00:35:46.130 --> 00:35:48.510 move on and get the hour -long episode done, 00:35:48.550 --> 00:35:53.809 which is an orthology episode? Yep. Yes. Yeah, 00:35:54.050 --> 00:35:56.670 so listeners, be ready for Tuesday when you get 00:35:56.670 --> 00:36:00.849 a Northology episode. And we'll talk to you later. 00:36:01.690 --> 00:36:02.190 Later. Later.